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Politics, Mature and taboo => Political Pundits => Topic started by: MLA on May 04, 2017, 08:49:25 AM
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https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/trump-has-a-dangerous-disability/2017/05/03/56ca6118-2f6b-11e7-9534-00e4656c22aa_story.html?utm_term=.702107549f5d (https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/trump-has-a-dangerous-disability/2017/05/03/56ca6118-2f6b-11e7-9534-00e4656c22aa_story.html?utm_term=.702107549f5d)
Trump has a dangerous disability
It is urgent for Americans to think and speak clearly about President Trump’s inability to do either. This seems to be not a mere disinclination but a disability. It is not merely the result of intellectual sloth but of an untrained mind bereft of information and married to stratospheric self-confidence.
In February, acknowledging Black History Month, Trump said that “Frederick Douglass is an example of somebody who’s done an amazing job and is getting recognized more and more, I notice.” Because Trump is syntactically challenged, it was possible and tempting to see this not as a historical howler about a man who died 122 years ago, but as just another of Trump’s verbal fender benders, this one involving verb tenses.
Now, however, he has instructed us that Andrew Jackson was angry about the Civil War that began 16 years after Jackson’s death. Having, let us fancifully imagine, considered and found unconvincing William Seward’s 1858 judgment that the approaching Civil War was “an irrepressible conflict,” Trump says:
“People don’t realize, you know, the Civil War, if you think about it, why? People don’t ask that question, but why was there the Civil War? Why could that one not have been worked out?”
Library shelves groan beneath the weight of books asking questions about that war’s origins, so who, one wonders, are these “people” who don’t ask the questions that Trump evidently thinks have occurred to him uniquely? Presumably they are not the astute “lot of,” or at least “some,” people Trump referred to when speaking about his February address to a joint session of Congress: “A lot of people have said that, some people said it was the single best speech ever made in that chamber.” Which demotes Winston Churchill, among many others.
What is most alarming (and mortifying to the University of Pennsylvania, from which he graduated) is not that Trump has entered his eighth decade unscathed by even elementary knowledge about the nation’s history. As this column has said before, the problem isn’t that he does not know this or that, or that he does not know that he does not know this or that. Rather, the dangerous thing is that he does not know what it is to know something.
The United States is rightly worried that a strange and callow leader controls North Korea’s nuclear arsenal. North Korea should reciprocate this worry. Yes, a 70-year-old can be callow if he speaks as sophomorically as Trump did when explaining his solution to Middle Eastern terrorism: “I would bomb the s--- out of them. . . . I’d blow up the pipes, I’d blow up the refineries, I’d blow up every single inch, there would be nothing left.”
As a candidate, Trump did not know what the nuclear triad is. Asked about it, he said: “We have to be extremely vigilant and extremely careful when it comes to nuclear. Nuclear changes the whole ballgame.” Invited to elaborate, he said: “I think — I think, for me, nuclear is just the power, the devastation is very important to me.” Someone Trump deemed fit to be a spokesman for him appeared on television to put a tasty dressing on her employer’s word salad: “What good does it do to have a good nuclear triad if you’re afraid to use it?” To which a retired Army colonel appearing on the same program replied with amazed asperity: “The point of the nuclear triad is to be afraid to use the damn thing.”
As president-elect, Trump did not know the pedigree and importance of the one-China policy. About such things he can be, if he is willing to be, tutored. It is, however, too late to rectify this defect: He lacks what T.S. Eliot called a sense “not only of the pastness of the past, but of its presence.” His fathomless lack of interest in America’s path to the present and his limitless gullibility leave him susceptible to being blown about by gusts of factoids that cling like lint to a disorderly mind.
Americans have placed vast military power at the discretion of this mind, a presidential discretion that is largely immune to restraint by the Madisonian system of institutional checks and balances. So, it is up to the public to quarantine this presidency by insistently communicating to its elected representatives a steady, rational fear of this man whose combination of impulsivity and credulity render him uniquely unfit to take the nation into a military conflict.
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I read that on the National Review (http://www.nationalreview.com/article/447310/trump-civil-war-history-comments-show-lack-interest-america-past) web site just before coming here. He is defiantly special at first I thought it was just an act but as time passes I'm not so sure anymore :-\
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Fake news. :zoinks:
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I wonder what else was in that cake he had? I mean that cake was so good he forgot what country he bombed. Couldn't have been more than just chocolate. :nerdy:
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“We had Hillary Clinton give Russia 20 percent of the uranium in our country. You know what uranium is, right? It’s this thing called nuclear weapons. And other things. Like lots of things are done with uranium. Including some bad things,”
It would be amusing if it wasn't so damn scary.
Look up Former Mexican President Vicente Fox Quesada on twitter. He's becoming Trump's #1 troll as of lately.
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Sigh... :-[ I am embarrassed for my country.
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I hear Hillary is still dodging sniper fire from Bosnians
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Sigh... :-[ I am embarrassed for my country.
Hell, I'm embarrassed over your country.
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If the aliens land in my back yard tomorrow and say "take me to your leader"...I'm lying and pretending I'm Canadian.
The reality is just too embarrassing. :zoinks:
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:lol1:
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If the aliens land in my back yard tomorrow and say "take me to your leader"...I'm lying and pretending I'm Canadian.
The reality is just too embarrassing. :zoinks:
Let me give you my address: Buckingham Palace
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One thing I will say...this will be one of "the" speed dating top 5 filter questions for the next 10 years.
"How did you/would you have vote/d in the 2016 election?"
"Okay..Nope...we're done here."
"NEXT!!!!"
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"Have your drinking habits changed significantly since November last year?"
"Drinking more now."
"You. Me. Room. Now."
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If he is functionally retarded, will that be a pre-existing condition and preclude him from treatment for it? He may not have had insurance before his inauguration.
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If he is functionally retarded, will that be a pre-existing condition and preclude him from treatment for it? He may not have had insurance before his inauguration.
:rofl:
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It's almost as if Randy Newman foresaw Trump, back in '72:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EqBrw3rQvKo
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If he is functionally retarded, will that be a pre-existing condition and preclude him from treatment for it? He may not have had insurance before his inauguration.
:evilplus: I think Your Majesty is ready to conquer a new empire. >:D
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@ CBC and odeon - thanks
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He just fired Comey after Yates and Clapper testified yesterday.
This is just fucking unreal...like Nixon all over again.
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Many Liberal commentators and Democrats screamed from the rafters when Comey amended the record after Huma's emails contained Clinton classified information.
They all said it was unfair and he should resign or be fired. He has been fired now and now they think it is terrible that he was fired.
I find it really interesting.
US politics is enthralling
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I don't know what I find more disturbing, the lie about "why" he was fired, or the people that actually believe it. :facepalm2:
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Many Liberal commentators and Democrats screamed from the rafters when Comey amended the record after Huma's emails contained Clinton classified information.
They all said it was unfair and he should resign or be fired. He has been fired now and now they think it is terrible that he was fired.
I find it really interesting.
US politics is enthralling
It's not nearly that simple
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I don't know what I find more disturbing, the lie about "why" he was fired, or the people that actually believe it. :facepalm2:
There are people who actually believe it?
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So is Donald Trump the new Richard Nixon? Or is he the new Ronald Reagan? Or a combination of the two?
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So is Donald Trump the new Richard Nixon? Or is he the new Ronald Reagan? Or a combination of the two?
I like your optimism.
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So is Donald Trump the new Richard Nixon? Or is he the new Ronald Reagan? Or a combination of the two?
It's a three way "winning" combo.
He lies like Nixon, has Reagan's memory loss, and less brainpower than Bush.
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So lets recap this sideshow...
Yates (fired after warning about Flynn's Russian ties) and Clapper testify in the investigation concerning Russian interference in the election.
Trump tries to intimidate Yates via Twitter hours before testifying...both on his personal Twitter account and the official one for the president.
Next Trump fires Comey without warning. Comey receives his walking papers while presenting a speech and at first laughs seeing it on the news and thinks it's a joke, he is called aside and finds out that...no...it's not.
The next day Trump meets in the oval office with Russian foreign minister Sergey Lavrov... Sergey Kislyak the Russian diplomat who's name is all through this investigation is also reported to be attending. Russian press is admitted to cover this event, Trump bars the American "fake" news media from attending.
The White House press is at last admitted in for a photo op, and the first questions are answered about the firing of Comey...Trump is sitting not with Lavrov as expected though, but with Henry Kissinger, former Secretary of State to President Richard Nixon.
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So lets recap this sideshow...
Yates (fired after warning about Flynn's Russian ties) and Clapper testify in the investigation concerning Russian interference in the election.
Trump tries to intimidate Yates via Twitter hours before testifying...both on his personal Twitter account and the official one for the president.
Next Trump fires Comey without warning. Comey receives his walking papers while presenting a speech and at first laughs seeing it on the news and thinks it's a joke, he is called aside and finds out that...no...it's not.
The next day Trump meets in the oval office with Russian foreign minister Sergey Lavrov... Sergey Kislyak the Russian diplomat who's name is all through this investigation is also reported to be attending. Russian press is admitted to cover this event, Trump bars the American "fake" news media from attending.
The White House press is at last admitted in for a photo op, and the first questions are answered about the firing of Comey...Trump is sitting not with Lavrov as expected though, but with Henry Kissinger, former Secretary of State to President Richard Nixon.
A president meets Russian Diplomats. Never happened ever in the case of Presidents.
Comey was a mess and had everyone at some time saying crap about his incompetence and saying he should resign or should not be FBI Director anymore. Trump's new Deputy Attorney General suggests Trump fire him. Jeff Sessions agrees, they fired him. Trump probably had an Apprentice flashback.
Yates, she was the one that Trump fired for not upholding his executive order, right?
What was Clapper saying about the supposed Russia-Trump collusion ties?
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:yawn:
You meet with Russian diplomats the day after key testimony in an ongoing investigation concerning Russian ties...and the day after further impeding the investigation by dismissing the head of the investigation.
Trump praised Comey verbally in statements and non-verbally in writing for months concerning his actions with Hillary...both on the campaign trail and in the official office of president only a short time ago.
We are suddenly supposed to believe on this timeline of events that he grew some moral balls and learned scruples...because...NOW...he's...the...president?
Maybe he was visited overnight by the 3 White House ghosts of president's past?
...I think I heard Nixon rattling his chains. :spitscreen:
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:yawn:
You meet with Russian diplomats the day after key testimony in an ongoing investigation concerning Russian ties...and the day after further impeding the investigation by dismissing the head of the investigation.
Trump praised Comey verbally in statements and non-verbally in writing for months concerning his actions with Hillary...both on the campaign trail and in the official office of president only a short time ago.
We are suddenly supposed to believe on this timeline of events that he grew some moral balls and learned scruples...because...NOW...he's...the...president?
Maybe he was visited overnight by the 3 White House ghosts of president's past?
...I think I heard Nixon rattling his chains. :spitscreen:
What restrictions are you placing on American Presidents in seeing Russian diplomats and I hope you are prepared to do so for all US Presidents not JUST Trump.
Trump was given advice from a newly appointed Deputy Attorney General. The Deputy Attorney General is in charge of overseeing the FBI and made that recommendation. Is Trump supposed to ignore that or overrule that? Maybe. I don't know? He decided to take the advice.
It is just amazing to me to see everyone who said how bad Comey was and how HE was the cause of Granny Satan losing the election, now say how unfair it is that he is no longer head of FBI.
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:yawn:
You meet with Russian diplomats the day after key testimony in an ongoing investigation concerning Russian ties...and the day after further impeding the investigation by dismissing the head of the investigation.
Trump praised Comey verbally in statements and non-verbally in writing for months concerning his actions with Hillary...both on the campaign trail and in the official office of president only a short time ago.
We are suddenly supposed to believe on this timeline of events that he grew some moral balls and learned scruples...because...NOW...he's...the...president?
Maybe he was visited overnight by the 3 White House ghosts of president's past?
...I think I heard Nixon rattling his chains. :spitscreen:
What restrictions are you placing on American Presidents in seeing Russian diplomats and I hope you are prepared to do so for all US Presidents not JUST Trump.
Trump was given advice from a newly appointed Deputy Attorney General. The Deputy Attorney General is in charge of overseeing the FBI and made that recommendation. Is Trump supposed to ignore that or overrule that? Maybe. I don't know? He decided to take the advice.
It is just amazing to me to see everyone who said how bad Comey was and how HE was the cause of Granny Satan losing the election, now say how unfair it is that he is no longer head of FBI.
Frankly, we don't expect foreigners to understand. It's an American thing. We hold ourselves to a higher standard and have a long tradition of presidents working in the public interest and holding themselves accordingly. Even W.
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:yawn:
You meet with Russian diplomats the day after key testimony in an ongoing investigation concerning Russian ties...and the day after further impeding the investigation by dismissing the head of the investigation.
Trump praised Comey verbally in statements and non-verbally in writing for months concerning his actions with Hillary...both on the campaign trail and in the official office of president only a short time ago.
We are suddenly supposed to believe on this timeline of events that he grew some moral balls and learned scruples...because...NOW...he's...the...president?
Maybe he was visited overnight by the 3 White House ghosts of president's past?
...I think I heard Nixon rattling his chains. :spitscreen:
What restrictions are you placing on American Presidents in seeing Russian diplomats and I hope you are prepared to do so for all US Presidents not JUST Trump.
Trump was given advice from a newly appointed Deputy Attorney General. The Deputy Attorney General is in charge of overseeing the FBI and made that recommendation. Is Trump supposed to ignore that or overrule that? Maybe. I don't know? He decided to take the advice.
It is just amazing to me to see everyone who said how bad Comey was and how HE was the cause of Granny Satan losing the election, now say how unfair it is that he is no longer head of FBI.
Frankly, we don't expect foreigners to understand. It's an American thing. We hold ourselves to a higher standard and have a long tradition of presidents working in the public interest and holding themselves accordingly. Even W.
Agreed MM.
I believe it will come to a conclusion soon enough anyways.
No sense in discussing it any longer.
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:yawn:
You meet with Russian diplomats the day after key testimony in an ongoing investigation concerning Russian ties...and the day after further impeding the investigation by dismissing the head of the investigation.
Trump praised Comey verbally in statements and non-verbally in writing for months concerning his actions with Hillary...both on the campaign trail and in the official office of president only a short time ago.
We are suddenly supposed to believe on this timeline of events that he grew some moral balls and learned scruples...because...NOW...he's...the...president?
Maybe he was visited overnight by the 3 White House ghosts of president's past?
...I think I heard Nixon rattling his chains. :spitscreen:
What restrictions are you placing on American Presidents in seeing Russian diplomats and I hope you are prepared to do so for all US Presidents not JUST Trump.
Trump was given advice from a newly appointed Deputy Attorney General. The Deputy Attorney General is in charge of overseeing the FBI and made that recommendation. Is Trump supposed to ignore that or overrule that? Maybe. I don't know? He decided to take the advice.
It is just amazing to me to see everyone who said how bad Comey was and how HE was the cause of Granny Satan losing the election, now say how unfair it is that he is no longer head of FBI.
I keep expecting you to come around and say "I'm just kidding, I'm not this gullible".
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Trump is a bullshit artist, a braggard, a serial adulterer, is near inarticulate and doesn't have any of the poise, grace, dignity or demenour that someone elected to his position SHOULD have.
He is very flawed.
However, there is a reason he was elected (and not by a racist, stupid, xenophobic minority) and that was because the things the Democrat Party, specifically, and the establishment, generally, had offered were not what Americans felt represented their needs.
He was not accidentally elected or mistakenly let into this office. He IS the President of the United States.
I do find the lengths to which Americans go to, to destroy their President and supposed sanctity of his office, mindblowing Tony Abbott was an arsehole and Howard was a spluttering little dwarf. As Aussies, we have a cultural disdain for authority and politicians are all expected to be morally bankrupt and we expect to vote them out every four years and vote in their oppoent. The Church and the Royal Family are not glorified or elevated either.
Hillary did not lose because of Russians. She ran a bad campaign, she cheated with interview questions, obstructed justice, hid a server, wiped the server, perjured herself, called half tge country deplorable and so on. She also did not go to enough rallies because she had this entitlement thing going on. It was her turn. Not only could she have beaten Trump, she should have.
Trump was not assisted by Russian collusion. He was assisted by Hillary. His hard work, unconvention message and her incompetence and indifferent caused him to win. Democrats are not able to learn from this or take responsibility and so they spin collusion narratives AND lose the Presidency, House, Senate and supreme court.
I think too, that part of the problem is that Liberals and Democrats make everything Armegeddon. Trump will always seem better than he actually is if he does an average job after being told by everyone, he will do terribly. If enough people say "He actually did okay" or "I voted for him because he said he was going to do x, y ,z and the Democrats said he couldn't do any of that, but he did actually do some of that." it makes him look more credible than he perhaps is. Add a bit of spin and he look brilliant. The debates were the same he was expected to be completely out of his league and her in her natural element. When he did okay and she did okay. He looked better than expected and her worse than expected.
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/shrugs
I guess you really are that gullible.
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/shrugs
I guess you really are that gullible.
Liberals and Democrats in America are the reason for Trump and his success. You can shrug or call that gullibility but it should be obvious. He is not succeeding because they have done nothing wrong and have done a fantastic job. They are not beyond criticism or reproach.
The Progressive platform is as Authoritarian as the Religious Right from a while ago. It is just as intolerant and aggressively Authoritarian. Both are equally as ugly and need to be quashed. The Progressive platform is effectively Cultural Marxism and Leftist but not Liberal. Liberalism needs to claim its platform back.
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Liberals and Democrats in America are the reason for Trump and his success. You can shrug or call that gullibility but it should be obvious. He is not succeeding because they have done nothing wrong and have done a fantastic job. They are not beyond criticism or reproach.
Who said they are? To say that Trump is an dysfunctional moron is about Trump, not about anyone else.
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Liberals and Democrats in America are the reason for Trump and his success. You can shrug or call that gullibility but it should be obvious. He is not succeeding because they have done nothing wrong and have done a fantastic job. They are not beyond criticism or reproach.
Who said they are? To say that Trump is an dysfunctional moron is about Trump, not about anyone else.
It implies he is here by accident or that countless millions that voted for him did so for no good reason. Also clearly he is not functionally retarded.
It is certainly true to say that the people the dislike him, REALLY dislike him. Its also true that he is a serial adulterer. He is crass, boorish, polirically incorrect, tactless, unrefined, uncultured, has no poise, grace , diplomacy and is near on inarticulate
Saying he is functionally retarded, a sociopath, white supremacist, just like Hitler and so on, is dishonest. People ought to be outraged at things he is and not negative things they want to say about him out of petty petulance, because against the odds, he became President.
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He is actually very clearly functionally retarded. He is very much like a child, with a child's reactions.
And I wouldn't call electing him an accident. Quite clearly, the help he got was well planned and executed. Also, quite a few of the people who voted for him--not countless, by the way, as you well know, and fewer than voted for Hillary--are uninformed and foolish at best.
You may not like my characterisation of them but nobody cares. Your gullible views carry very little weight anywhere.
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He is actually very clearly functionally retarded. He is very much like a child, with a child's reactions.
And I wouldn't call electing him an accident. Quite clearly, the help he got was well planned and executed. Also, quite a few of the people who voted for him--not countless, by the way, as you well know, and fewer than voted for Hillary--are uninformed and foolish at best.
You may not like my characterisation of them but nobody cares. Your gullible views carry very little weight anywhere.
There are many people on both sides that are uninformed or foolish, as you well know. Both Hillary and Trump had over 60 million and under 65 million voters voting for them. Not insignificant numbers.
I do not care one way about your opinions and they are insignificant. Your issues carry weight with you and probably in very few other settings. If you think that these opinions were groundbreaking...well, more power to you.
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Groundbreaking? I realise a lot of this will feel like rocket science to you but we are discussing basics here.
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Groundbreaking? I realise a lot of this will feel like rocket science to you but we are discussing basics here.
Does this give you a righteous smug little glow inside, to believe that? Are you going to tell class you are not trying to bait again?
Can't help yourself. Odeon the master baiter.
Don't worry, I won't rise to to your baiting and this will be a solitary self pleasuring activity done for you alone and for your own pleasure only.
I will have the good grace not to draw attention to it, and leave you to your efforts.
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If it hadn't been for your recent posting history, some people might actually buy that. Admittedly, they'd have to be new to this place, Trump followers and generally inept, but still.
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If it hadn't been for your recent posting history, some people might actually buy that. Admittedly, they'd have to be new to this place, Trump followers and generally inept, but still.
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:lol1:
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I love it that Putin has offered to release the Lavrov/Kislyak-Trump transcripts.
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I love it that Putin has offered to release the Lavrov/Kislyak-Trump transcripts.
Big daddy is trying to save his special little golden boy. :-*
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Putin's already assured that no secrets were discussed. Surely he wouldn't lie? :zoinks:
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We don't know and nor could it be proven unless perhaps it was video taped.
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Putin's already assured that no secrets were discussed. Surely he wouldn't lie? :zoinks:
Did Trump even know any secrets? :zoinks:
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Putin's already assured that no secrets were discussed. Surely he wouldn't lie? :zoinks:
Did Trump even know any secrets? :zoinks:
They wouldn't be secrets for long anyway. :zoinks:
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It made me sick to my stomach when I heard recently that protesters outside the Turkish embassy in Washington DC got their heads brutally kicked in a group of bodyguards working for one of Trump's dear friends, who I will now call "Freedom Eroder".
Disgusting.
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Putin's already assured that no secrets were discussed. Surely he wouldn't lie? :zoinks:
Did Trump even know any secrets? :zoinks:
They wouldn't be secrets for long anyway. :zoinks:
They weren't technically our secrets either.
Israel intell is supposedly pissed. They shared the secrets he told the Russians.
"whisper, whisper, whisper....don't tell Russia."
"Hey Russia...wanna know a secret?"
He's supposed to visit there on his first trip out. I'm sure they will give him a warm welcome. Maybe they'll feed him and want him to stay. :zoinks:
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It "hurts our country."
No, you idiot, it hurts you.
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Putin's already assured that no secrets were discussed. Surely he wouldn't lie? :zoinks:
Did Trump even know any secrets? :zoinks:
They wouldn't be secrets for long anyway. :zoinks:
I don't think he knew any secrets. :zoinks:
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Why does he do that thing with his lips anyways??
It makes me think I'm looking at someones asshole.
How do you even move your lips like that and talk?
I seriously tried, I can't. :dunno:
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Why does he do that thing with his lips anyways??
It makes me think I'm looking at someones asshole.
How do you even move your lips like that and talk?
I seriously tried, I can't. :dunno:
False teeth?
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Brings thoughts of a possible evil alien creature.
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Why does he do that thing with his lips anyways??
It makes me think I'm looking at someones asshole.
But you are. :zoinks:
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Why does he do that thing with his lips anyways??
It makes me think I'm looking at someones asshole.
How do you even move your lips like that and talk?
I seriously tried, I can't. :dunno:
:zoinks:
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An excellent and truthful illustration.
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I think everyone needs a buttface picture. :zoinks: I want one of me now. :lol1:
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Oh my God, I think I'm gonna throw up. :zombiefuck:
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Well, we already knew he was full of shit.
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According to some, purging is very cleansing.
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Oh my God, I think I'm gonna throw up. :zombiefuck:
My job here is done. :zoinks:
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Oh my God, I think I'm gonna throw up. :zombiefuck:
Quick, do it in my mouth. :autism:
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Oh my God, I think I'm gonna throw up. :zombiefuck:
Quick, do it in my mouth. :autism:
:aff:
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http://youtu.be/RnfYF_RTEc0
I have never seen the "twat swat" done so smoothly in years. :thumbup:
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Oh my God, I think I'm gonna throw up. :zombiefuck:
Quick, do it in my mouth. :autism:
:aff:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FQRW0RM4V0k
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Maybe he should seek asylum somewhere, now that he is travelling.
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Maybe he should seek asylum somewhere, now that he is travelling.
Droppimg bombs on Syria and teaming up with Saudi Arabia and Idrael is precisely what someone who was in Russia'a back pocket would do.....not.
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"Jared Kushner Reportedly Wanted Secret Communications Channel With Kremlin"
http://www.mediaite.com/online/bombshell-jared-kushner-reportedly-wanted-secret-communications-channel-with-kremlin/
"Report: Russian Ambassador Said Jared Kushner Wanted Secret Communications Channel With Kremlin
The Washington Post reports that Russia's ambassador to the U.S. has told his superiors that he and Jared Kushner discussed setting up a secret communications channel between the Trump transition team and the Kremlin in December."
http://time.com/4796472/donald-trump-russia-jared-kushner-sergei-kislyak/
"Kushner Met With Russian Banker Who Is Putin Crony, Spy School Grad"
http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/kushner-met-russian-banker-who-putin-crony-spy-school-grad-n765311
"Russian ambassador told Moscow that Kushner wanted secret communications channel with Kremlin"
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/russian-ambassador-told-moscow-that-kushner-wanted-secret-communications-channel-with-kremlin/2017/05/26/520a14b4-422d-11e7-9869-bac8b446820a_story.html?utm_term=.c27839d93ee8
:popcorn:
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"Jared Kushner Reportedly Wanted Secret Communications Channel With Kremlin"
http://www.mediaite.com/online/bombshell-jared-kushner-reportedly-wanted-secret-communications-channel-with-kremlin/
"Report: Russian Ambassador Said Jared Kushner Wanted Secret Communications Channel With Kremlin
The Washington Post reports that Russia's ambassador to the U.S. has told his superiors that he and Jared Kushner discussed setting up a secret communications channel between the Trump transition team and the Kremlin in December."
http://time.com/4796472/donald-trump-russia-jared-kushner-sergei-kislyak/
"Kushner Met With Russian Banker Who Is Putin Crony, Spy School Grad"
http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/kushner-met-russian-banker-who-putin-crony-spy-school-grad-n765311
"Russian ambassador told Moscow that Kushner wanted secret communications channel with Kremlin"
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/russian-ambassador-told-moscow-that-kushner-wanted-secret-communications-channel-with-kremlin/2017/05/26/520a14b4-422d-11e7-9869-bac8b446820a_story.html?utm_term=.c27839d93ee8
:popcorn:
Kushner? I thought we were talking about Trump and what Trump is doing or not doing?
Kushner, Preibus, Powell, McMasters and Spicer are not Trump and none of them are particularly well placed in the Administration. Trump would do well getting rid of at least a few of these. "Thanks, bye, appreciate your service"
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Kushner is the Son in Law.
Got to keep it in the family.
You really have no idea how shit like this works do you? :laugh:
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Kushner is the Son in Law.
Got to keep it in the family.
You really have no idea how shit like this works do you? :laugh:
Sure do. Do you? :laugh:
So Kushner wanted to set up a communication channel with Russia and asked his Father in Law and his Father in Law put it in place? No? Why not? Isn't that how things work?
Again, are you talking about Trump or Kushner?
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Fucking hell, you're naive. :laugh:
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Fucking hell, you're naive. :laugh:
Let's see how things pan out. Out of interest, did these claims come out before or after the Russians got shitty with Trump for Bombing Syria?
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You do know that the Russian thing has been going on for a while, right?
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I'm not saying anything else, just watching the fireworks.
If I have my dots connected right, there should be plenty.
Unfortunately for us, and everyone that believed in this con man.
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I'm getting the beer.
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I'm getting the beer.
Better get ice.
I think it's going to be a looonng, hot summer here in 'Merica.
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I'm getting the beer.
Better get ice.
I think it's going to be a looonng, hot summer here in 'Merica.
Will do. :popcorn:
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You do know that the Russian thing has been going on for a while, right?
The beat up and blame game have been going on since Hillary lost.
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And you think Trump's Russian problem is about Hillary losing? :facepalm:
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And you think Trump's Russian problem is about Hillary losing? :facepalm:
I think his "problem" is that the outrage over this narrative is palpable and has a chilling effect on his ability to focus on his agenda (something I honestly think he needs to get past) and has a knock-on effect of trial by public opinion. If you were a Democrat and you has lost the House, Senate, Supreme Court and The Presidency, would YOU want the Republican President smeared and embroiled in scandal and potential career ending impeachable offence when the mid-term elections come up? If you wished to remove the sitting President and you did not have the numbers in Congress (Impeachment - as you know - is not decided by teh court, it is decided by Congress) wouldn't you want there to be enough distrust and uncertainty in the President to get them removed from office, by swaying the GOP (who may not be THAT far in the President's corner) that there is enough of a case to be made for impeachment?
But let's take it a slight step further. If you did not have a smoking gun but had enough spin and outrage and indignation to push a narrative, would you as a Democrat still push this for the same reasons above. Even if AFTER the investigation is finialised, that it may exonerate the President? What if Keeping up the pressure and maintaining the outrage and the fever pitch narrative shouting would be enough to have the GOP rethink their support of the President?
I think the above is more than likely and as probable a situation as any. Do I think the narrative was beat up because Trump beat Hillary and she and the DNC cannot appreciate that she was not the best candidate? Sure I do. I think it was petty and spiteful, but that is the nature of politics and politicians.
Politicians are pretty low as a people.
I am reasonably sure that this "Trump colluded with Russia to win the election" narrative will die a death at the end of the investigation. Will it show any people in any way had dealings with Russians? Absolutely. Will it say that some of these dealings were inproper or irregular or whatever? Maybe, maybe not. Will any of this equate to Trump being in Putin's pocket? No. Was there ever any evidence for that? No.
However, in the meantime, if the GOP are not stoic enough to resist the pressure of the howling mobs screaming for impeachment, Trump may get ousted. Secondly, IF this doesn't happen, it could still really affect him during the mid-terms.
BUT what if he survives this and the negative result comes in before the mid-terms? That may well be a game-changer. Trump seems to succeed despite all reason with the things he is trying for. You may point to the Ryancare bill or the "travel ban", but I see these things as not taken off the table but rather held up or suspended not canceled. He did really well to get elected, he did really well with the trip abroad, and if he does a halfway job AND investigations are negative in their conclusions as to his collusion with Putin, the mid-terms will be a wash for the Democrats.
It will be interesting to see which way this goes. Of course, MAYBE Trump is a secret Soviet Spy or something and a longtime confidante of Putin? That would be interesting too. Then Trump is gone and the Americans get the much more Liberal Mike Pence. I am joking of course. Pence is more Conservative and much more traditional that the New Yorker.
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I think you choose what you want to see. I think you selectively ignore anything that goes against what you believe. Why that is, I don't know, but I find it interesting.
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I think you choose what you want to see. I think you selectively ignore anything that goes against what you believe. Why that is, I don't know, but I find it interesting.
There is not too much to see and a lot of big names like Morrel, Clapper, Feinstein and Grassley saying that there is no evidence to conclude that Trump colluded with Russia. This is AFTER it was proven he WAS spied on and Surveilled by the Obama Administration (remember when that was a conspiracy theory and denied by everyone?) and despite the volume of leaks.
There is no smoking gun. But there is an investigation and a lot of noise.
One thing that I am curious about is whether the FBI ever had access to the DNC servers or whether the DNC did not let the FBI have a look at it. I think I remember them saying that they were blocked from accessing the servers and that a DNC paid firm was allowed to access the servers and then concluded it was the Russians that hacked them and passed this "intel" to the Authorities. Any reason this "intel should be taken at it's word and not collaborated?
Especially as theories around murdered DNC staffer, Seth Rich seem to float around saying that HE hacked the computers and was passing this information through intermediaties to Wikileaks? Kim Dotcom is now getting into the picture saying that he has information and Rich's family seem to support Kim Dotcom was involved.
It might be nothing. Maybe Seth Rich was shot by randoms and robbed without anything taken from him and the FBI needed to investigate his death for no particular reason. Maybe. Maybe Kim Dotcom is just grandstanding too.
Or maybe the FBI and other agencies were prepared to take direction from a company paid by the DNC may have been aware of who they were hacked by and instead of blaming it on Seth Rich the DNC staffer, blamed it Russians.
That would be funny as Hell.
But the thing is you say I am being selective but that is not true is it? I am not going to go all in on this Seth Rich Theory because the evidence is not there. It is speculative and whilst fascinating and titillating is not more than that. The Trump and Russia collusion theory has even less than that. I can absolutely believe that Putin wants to influence America and that Russia will seek to spread misinformation, propaganda and seek favour and such. I can absolutely believe that many people in Trump's team had contact with Russians. THAT is NOT saying or evidencing or leading one to the conclusion that THEREFORE Trump colluded with Russia to win the election or that Trump is in Putin's back pocket. None of that is evidence. Mannafort I think (more than Flynn) campaigned for Russians. He probably has the best chance of being turned to Putin's dark side. Now if he did then.....it still does not mean Trump colluded with Russians to win the election.
Keeps coming back to this same point. No evidence. Even asking as to what is most probable and the answer is, it is unlikely. Not impossible. Same as the Seth Rich leaks/murder theory is unlikely but not impossible.
I do not much care if I am wrong or right but I do not see, from all I mentioned above that it is selective analysis on my part.
I wonder if there is ANY Russian collusion or connections in the Democrat camp?
https://www.forbes.com/sites/paulroderickgregory/2017/02/18/no-one-mentions-that-the-russian-trail-leads-to-democratic-lobbyists/#4ab2edc93991
Probably not
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XsFR8DbSRQE
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:spitscreen:
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:spitscreen:
I know. Too much fir you to process.
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:spitscreen:
I know. Too much fir you to process.
Bite me.
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:spitscreen:
I know. Too much fir you to process.
Bite me.
Seems I was right
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:spitscreen:
I know. Too much fir you to process.
Bite me.
Seems I was right
Yeah, there's nothing there Al.
That's why 4 committees are working on the investigation, a special counsel prosecutor has been appointed, the FEDS are involved, and the cheeto recently lawyered up.
Nope, nothing to see here, absolutely nothing...they're all just meeting up, ordering pizza, and wasting the taxpayers money. ::)
Now I'm going to go back to ignoring you, because anything else is just a monumental waste of my time. You see what you want to see, and will continue to do so, until the shit hits you in the face.
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Unlike Clinton, Trump does not seem to leave bodies lying around behind to find.
How many Clinton investigative authorities does it take to make a "suicide" into a suicide? Apparently a bunch of them in Vince Foster's case.
Sorry. I know. Off topic, but fuck sake people.
This country is close to being in shambles and all anyone wants to do is beef on one thing?
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Unlike Clinton, Trump does not seem to leave bodies lying around behind to find.
How many Clinton investigative authorities does it take to make a "suicide" into a suicide? Apparently a bunch of them in Vince Foster's case.
Sorry. I know. Off topic, but fuck sake people.
This country is close to being in shambles and all anyone wants to do is beef on one thing?
I know. :P
Just pissed this election has brought out all the hatred it has. People that don't live here are privileged not to be living the reality of it all when they turn on the evening news.
We needed better choices. We didn't have them.
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Unlike Clinton, Trump does not seem to leave bodies lying around behind to find.
How many Clinton investigative authorities does it take to make a "suicide" into a suicide? Apparently a bunch of them in Vince Foster's case.
Sorry. I know. Off topic, but fuck sake people.
This country is close to being in shambles and all anyone wants to do is beef on one thing?
I know. :P
Just pissed this election has brought out all the hatred it has. People that don't live here are privileged not to be living the reality of it all when they turn on the evening news.
We needed better choices. We didn't have them.
We needed better choices in the last five presidential elections.
We did not get them.
We have what we Have and finding a way to move forward is essential. There is a lot of work to do.
Quit bitchin about a lost election, get over it and address your Congressional representatives, we should all be doing. (sorry, but looking back it looks like Yoda wrote that.)
That is how this shit works.
:viking:
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:spitscreen:
I know. Too much fir you to process.
Bite me.
Seems I was right
Yeah, there's nothing there Al.
That's why 4 committees are working on the investigation, a special counsel prosecutor has been appointed, the FEDS are involved, and the cheeto recently lawyered up.
Nope, nothing to see here, absolutely nothing...they're all just meeting up, ordering pizza, and wasting the taxpayers money. ::)
Now I'm going to go back to ignoring you, because anything else is just a monumental waste of my time. You see what you want to see, and will continue to do so, until the shit hits you in the face.
4 investigations on the investigation? Right?
No, you are not THAT ignorant of politics in your own country are you? Do you see investigating and say "They are investigating Trump!" Bet you do. No, there is four Congress backed investigations that get conflated and none of them are investigating Trump.
1. There is an investigation on wiretapping/surveillance (This embarrassingly has shown now since the last year of Obama's term, NSA over-reach in illegal surveillance has been substantial)
2. There is investigation on unmasking (Susan Rice is layering up and asking for immunity BUT there is talk that other big names like Comey, Lynch, Clinton, Obama or Brenna may have done so and misused this)
3. There is an investigation on white house leaks (Apparently 3 people in the Trump Administration have their heads on a chopping block so to speak. I am betting Powell, and maybe McMaster, and maybe Preibus and maybe Spicer).
4. There is an Investigation on Russian interference in the election (This one is short on any public results. It seems to be more of the same - They ATTEMPTED to hack the polling booths and they hacked the DNC and gave leaked emails to Wikileaks.)
However, there is also a special counsel set up by the FBI to Investigate the Trump campaign and members in his campaign.
3. There is investigation on Russian interference on
So YES Icequeen they can simultaneously have a bunch of investigations and them not only NOT all be about Trump BUT at the same time, not all be ordering pizza.
Now I suppose for a second you imagine that shit will somehow hit me in the face because I am an American and I voted for Donald Trump and I am invested in America.....see what I did there? Now you see how ridiculous you are?
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What the fuck are you even talking about Al?
Do you even know anymore? Have you honestly gone back and read some of the crazy ass crap you write?
It doesn't make any fucking sense!!!!!
Now I suppose for a second you imagine that shit will somehow hit me in the face because I am an American and I voted for Donald Trump and I am invested in America.....see what I did there? Now you see how ridiculous you are?
You're an American?? Fuck no, everyone knows that. ::)
Thank fucking heaven too I will add.
I meant that eventually as this progresses you might get a cluex4 and wake up from your idiotic coma.
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What the fuck are you even talking about Al?
Do you even know anymore? Have you honestly gone back and read some of the crazy ass crap you write?
It doesn't make any fucking sense!!!!!
Now I suppose for a second you imagine that shit will somehow hit me in the face because I am an American and I voted for Donald Trump and I am invested in America.....see what I did there? Now you see how ridiculous you are?
You're an American?? Fuck no, everyone knows that. ::)
Thank fucking heaven too I will add.
I meant that eventually as this progresses you might get a cluex4 and wake up from your idiotic coma.
Sure it makes sense. You not understanding it does not mean it makes no sense.
If you want to see what does not make sense. Contextualise this:
Now I'm going to go back to ignoring you, because anything else is just a monumental waste of my time.
Did you ignore me?
No, you didn't. Why not? It could be that you are a liar, you have a poor short-term memory or that you are so incensed that you are saying any crazy crap that pops into your head with no filter. You say you will ignore me but you won't, or is it can't, or is it that you had no intention of ignoring me in the first place? I don't mind either way. But you have already apologised once for your lack of control, it would be rather humiliating doing it again.
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Go fuck yourself.
I've got better shit to do.
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Go fuck yourself.
I've got better shit to do.
Like ignoring me? Sure. You really should.
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Anything for Trump, eh? :zoinks:
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Anyone up for a cup of "covfefe"? :zoinks:
http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/covfefe-trends-on-social-media-after-trump-shares-unfinished-tweet-with-typo/ar-BBBIeol?li=BBmkt5R&ocid=spartandhp
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Anyone up for a cup of "covfefe"? :zoinks:
http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/covfefe-trends-on-social-media-after-trump-shares-unfinished-tweet-with-typo/ar-BBBIeol?li=BBmkt5R&ocid=spartandhp
:laugh:
I was still up when that hit last night and the memes started rolling in. :rofl:
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Anyone up for a cup of "covfefe"? :zoinks:
It has too much cavfefene. :zoinks:
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I think Trump is functionally covfefe.
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I think Trump is functionally covfefe.
Yes, covfefe is very interesting. It is hilarious and concerning and demands attention. If only my spelling mistakes were so interesting
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I think Trump is functionally covfefe.
Yes, covfefe is very interesting. It is hilarious and concerning and demands attention. If only my spelling mistakes were so interesting
Trump could have admitted it was a spelling mistake and it would have been the end of it, but he is functionally retarded and incapable of admitting his mistakes.
But hey, today is a great day for you both.
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https://youtu.be/8uOOTQQWR7E
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I think Trump is functionally covfefe.
Yes, covfefe is very interesting. It is hilarious and concerning and demands attention. If only my spelling mistakes were so interesting
Trump could have admitted it was a spelling mistake and it would have been the end of it, but he is functionally retarded and incapable of admitting his mistakes.
But hey, today is a great day for you both.
Could have been? Of maybe it was an acronym, or maybe he fell asleep on his mobile phone and it hit keys at random? Let's be real IF he admitted it was a spelling mistake (if indeed it was) it would NOT have "been the end of it" every Liberal media outlet would have pushed this as some failing of his and pushed it hard. He does not admit that and gives them nothing and they have pushed this as some failing of his and pushed it hard. Now what benefit is it to him to admit ANYTHING?
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In other words, the man is functionally retarded.
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In other words, the man is functionally retarded.
In which reality would that make someone functionally retarded?
Look, I get the angst. A lot of it is deserved. I get how some people find him abhorrent. I even get how some think him stupid.
I think in all these cases there is probably arguments that can and will be made both ways BUT like the way Democrats demand Trump to be impeached when there is "suggestion" of wrongdoing rather than evidence. Saying a tweet they do not understand is functional retardation or a sign of senility or madness or something is equally over the top, reactionary and stupid, as it is dishonest. They do not know and they wish to virtue signal their displeasure and their dislike of Trump. I get that but let's not pretend it is anything more than that.
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In this reality. A man who is unable to admit a mistake an learn from it is functionally retarded. This is bad if you are a bus driver or a nurse, but a fucking disaster if you have the keys to the nukes.
But then, you don't understand why it's so bad either, do you?
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It's just a stupid typo, and I enjoyed the comic relief it created. :dunno:
(https://i.redd.it/dkg0a2bspv0z.jpg)
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In this reality. A man who is unable to admit a mistake an learn from it is functionally retarded. This is bad if you are a bus driver or a nurse, but a fucking disaster if you have the keys to the nukes.
But then, you don't understand why it's so bad either, do you?
Yes, the keys to the nukes is a perfectly valid argument, isn't it? It suggests that if he cannot admit a mistake, then having keys to the nukes (whatever the fuck that in itself means (codes to the football?)) has some bigger consequence. What exactly do YOU believe it means? Spell it out. It would mean he would, in not admitting a mistake was a mistake, want to blow up a country? That is a leap of logic....but let's run with it. If he cannot admit that a mistake is a mistake (even were it a mistake in the first place - which is up for debate) AND that meant that having the "keys to nukes" was a threat....how?
If he has "keys to nukes" AND a desire to use them because he made a mistake he did not admit to and it made him want to nuke a country for some reason, how is he going to use his keys to do this due to the the fact it is not a decision he can follow through on by his own.
Walk me through this please as for all your "But then, you don't understand why it's so bad either, do you?"
Or perhaps you could admit YOU made a mistake. Not a bad thing, unless you have control of the Admin Panel.
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(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v249/danny0023/DBfOr8mXkAQIbfs_zpsh2k86tqv.jpg)
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In this reality. A man who is unable to admit a mistake an learn from it is functionally retarded. This is bad if you are a bus driver or a nurse, but a fucking disaster if you have the keys to the nukes.
But then, you don't understand why it's so bad either, do you?
Yes, the keys to the nukes is a perfectly valid argument, isn't it? It suggests that if he cannot admit a mistake, then having keys to the nukes (whatever the fuck that in itself means (codes to the football?)) has some bigger consequence. What exactly do YOU believe it means? Spell it out. It would mean he would, in not admitting a mistake was a mistake, want to blow up a country? That is a leap of logic....but let's run with it. If he cannot admit that a mistake is a mistake (even were it a mistake in the first place - which is up for debate) AND that meant that having the "keys to nukes" was a threat....how?
If he has "keys to nukes" AND a desire to use them because he made a mistake he did not admit to and it made him want to nuke a country for some reason, how is he going to use his keys to do this due to the the fact it is not a decision he can follow through on by his own.
Walk me through this please as for all your "But then, you don't understand why it's so bad either, do you?"
Or perhaps you could admit YOU made a mistake. Not a bad thing, unless you have control of the Admin Panel.
You really have no clue, do you?
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In this reality. A man who is unable to admit a mistake an learn from it is functionally retarded. This is bad if you are a bus driver or a nurse, but a fucking disaster if you have the keys to the nukes.
But then, you don't understand why it's so bad either, do you?
Yes, the keys to the nukes is a perfectly valid argument, isn't it? It suggests that if he cannot admit a mistake, then having keys to the nukes (whatever the fuck that in itself means (codes to the football?)) has some bigger consequence. What exactly do YOU believe it means? Spell it out. It would mean he would, in not admitting a mistake was a mistake, want to blow up a country? That is a leap of logic....but let's run with it. If he cannot admit that a mistake is a mistake (even were it a mistake in the first place - which is up for debate) AND that meant that having the "keys to nukes" was a threat....how?
If he has "keys to nukes" AND a desire to use them because he made a mistake he did not admit to and it made him want to nuke a country for some reason, how is he going to use his keys to do this due to the the fact it is not a decision he can follow through on by his own.
Walk me through this please as for all your "But then, you don't understand why it's so bad either, do you?"
Or perhaps you could admit YOU made a mistake. Not a bad thing, unless you have control of the Admin Panel.
You really have no clue, do you?
I know and you know that you made a mistake and now you, like Donald, look a little silly and stubborn. Rather than attempt to answer, you deflect.
It's okay. There was no good option. You either could not admit it was stupid and be like Donald, "explain" and fall over yourself in trying to justify stupidity, or simply confess that you said something ridiculous because you hate Trump and it makes you say really stupid things.
I got your deflection answer that has you unable to admit your mistakes. It is a trait you share with Trump.
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Yep. It's still funny. :zoinks:
(https://i.redd.it/9eml6zpdvx0z.jpg)
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In this reality. A man who is unable to admit a mistake an learn from it is functionally retarded. This is bad if you are a bus driver or a nurse, but a fucking disaster if you have the keys to the nukes.
But then, you don't understand why it's so bad either, do you?
Yes, the keys to the nukes is a perfectly valid argument, isn't it? It suggests that if he cannot admit a mistake, then having keys to the nukes (whatever the fuck that in itself means (codes to the football?)) has some bigger consequence. What exactly do YOU believe it means? Spell it out. It would mean he would, in not admitting a mistake was a mistake, want to blow up a country? That is a leap of logic....but let's run with it. If he cannot admit that a mistake is a mistake (even were it a mistake in the first place - which is up for debate) AND that meant that having the "keys to nukes" was a threat....how?
If he has "keys to nukes" AND a desire to use them because he made a mistake he did not admit to and it made him want to nuke a country for some reason, how is he going to use his keys to do this due to the the fact it is not a decision he can follow through on by his own.
Walk me through this please as for all your "But then, you don't understand why it's so bad either, do you?"
Or perhaps you could admit YOU made a mistake. Not a bad thing, unless you have control of the Admin Panel.
You really have no clue, do you?
I know and you know that you made a mistake and now you, like Donald, look a little silly and stubborn. Rather than attempt to answer, you deflect.
It's okay. There was no good option. You either could not admit it was stupid and be like Donald, "explain" and fall over yourself in trying to justify stupidity, or simply confess that you said something ridiculous because you hate Trump and it makes you say really stupid things.
I got your deflection answer that has you unable to admit your mistakes. It is a trait you share with Trump.
I love it how you try to cover your ignorance by attacking me.
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In this reality. A man who is unable to admit a mistake an learn from it is functionally retarded. This is bad if you are a bus driver or a nurse, but a fucking disaster if you have the keys to the nukes.
But then, you don't understand why it's so bad either, do you?
Yes, the keys to the nukes is a perfectly valid argument, isn't it? It suggests that if he cannot admit a mistake, then having keys to the nukes (whatever the fuck that in itself means (codes to the football?)) has some bigger consequence. What exactly do YOU believe it means? Spell it out. It would mean he would, in not admitting a mistake was a mistake, want to blow up a country? That is a leap of logic....but let's run with it. If he cannot admit that a mistake is a mistake (even were it a mistake in the first place - which is up for debate) AND that meant that having the "keys to nukes" was a threat....how?
If he has "keys to nukes" AND a desire to use them because he made a mistake he did not admit to and it made him want to nuke a country for some reason, how is he going to use his keys to do this due to the the fact it is not a decision he can follow through on by his own.
Walk me through this please as for all your "But then, you don't understand why it's so bad either, do you?"
Or perhaps you could admit YOU made a mistake. Not a bad thing, unless you have control of the Admin Panel.
You really have no clue, do you?
I know and you know that you made a mistake and now you, like Donald, look a little silly and stubborn. Rather than attempt to answer, you deflect.
It's okay. There was no good option. You either could not admit it was stupid and be like Donald, "explain" and fall over yourself in trying to justify stupidity, or simply confess that you said something ridiculous because you hate Trump and it makes you say really stupid things.
I got your deflection answer that has you unable to admit your mistakes. It is a trait you share with Trump.
I love it how you try to cover your ignorance by attacking me.
I love how you are unable to back yourself, ever, and deflect by calling others ignorant.
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Stop being crybabies you two. :hahaha:
Let's make this thread about Trump political cartoons. :zoinks:
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Don't know how to link this better.
Where is Spicer?
https://twitter.com/BuzzFeed/status/871813309674119168
I fucking died when I pulled it up last night. :laugh:
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In this reality. A man who is unable to admit a mistake an learn from it is functionally retarded. This is bad if you are a bus driver or a nurse, but a fucking disaster if you have the keys to the nukes.
But then, you don't understand why it's so bad either, do you?
Yes, the keys to the nukes is a perfectly valid argument, isn't it? It suggests that if he cannot admit a mistake, then having keys to the nukes (whatever the fuck that in itself means (codes to the football?)) has some bigger consequence. What exactly do YOU believe it means? Spell it out. It would mean he would, in not admitting a mistake was a mistake, want to blow up a country? That is a leap of logic....but let's run with it. If he cannot admit that a mistake is a mistake (even were it a mistake in the first place - which is up for debate) AND that meant that having the "keys to nukes" was a threat....how?
If he has "keys to nukes" AND a desire to use them because he made a mistake he did not admit to and it made him want to nuke a country for some reason, how is he going to use his keys to do this due to the the fact it is not a decision he can follow through on by his own.
Walk me through this please as for all your "But then, you don't understand why it's so bad either, do you?"
Or perhaps you could admit YOU made a mistake. Not a bad thing, unless you have control of the Admin Panel.
You really have no clue, do you?
I know and you know that you made a mistake and now you, like Donald, look a little silly and stubborn. Rather than attempt to answer, you deflect.
It's okay. There was no good option. You either could not admit it was stupid and be like Donald, "explain" and fall over yourself in trying to justify stupidity, or simply confess that you said something ridiculous because you hate Trump and it makes you say really stupid things.
I got your deflection answer that has you unable to admit your mistakes. It is a trait you share with Trump.
I love it how you try to cover your ignorance by attacking me.
I love how you are unable to back yourself, ever, and deflect by calling others ignorant.
I call *you* ignorant. That's because you are an idiot and can't help it.
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In this reality. A man who is unable to admit a mistake an learn from it is functionally retarded. This is bad if you are a bus driver or a nurse, but a fucking disaster if you have the keys to the nukes.
But then, you don't understand why it's so bad either, do you?
Yes, the keys to the nukes is a perfectly valid argument, isn't it? It suggests that if he cannot admit a mistake, then having keys to the nukes (whatever the fuck that in itself means (codes to the football?)) has some bigger consequence. What exactly do YOU believe it means? Spell it out. It would mean he would, in not admitting a mistake was a mistake, want to blow up a country? That is a leap of logic....but let's run with it. If he cannot admit that a mistake is a mistake (even were it a mistake in the first place - which is up for debate) AND that meant that having the "keys to nukes" was a threat....how?
If he has "keys to nukes" AND a desire to use them because he made a mistake he did not admit to and it made him want to nuke a country for some reason, how is he going to use his keys to do this due to the the fact it is not a decision he can follow through on by his own.
Walk me through this please as for all your "But then, you don't understand why it's so bad either, do you?"
Or perhaps you could admit YOU made a mistake. Not a bad thing, unless you have control of the Admin Panel.
You really have no clue, do you?
I know and you know that you made a mistake and now you, like Donald, look a little silly and stubborn. Rather than attempt to answer, you deflect.
It's okay. There was no good option. You either could not admit it was stupid and be like Donald, "explain" and fall over yourself in trying to justify stupidity, or simply confess that you said something ridiculous because you hate Trump and it makes you say really stupid things.
I got your deflection answer that has you unable to admit your mistakes. It is a trait you share with Trump.
I love it how you try to cover your ignorance by attacking me.
I love how you are unable to back yourself, ever, and deflect by calling others ignorant.
I call *you* ignorant. That's because you are an idiot and can't help it.
Oh, in that case you should have no issue in actually countering what I said about the threat of him having keys to the nukes. No? Course not
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Don't know how to link this better.
Where is Spicer?
https://twitter.com/BuzzFeed/status/871813309674119168
I fucking died when I pulled it up last night. :laugh:
Got the message: The media could not be played. Is a twitter account required?
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This one is for Icequeen, because it depicts that lip thing she likes so much. :zoinks:
(https://humorinamerica.files.wordpress.com/2015/09/a3a.jpg)
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Don't know how to link this better.
Where is Spicer?
https://twitter.com/BuzzFeed/status/871813309674119168
I fucking died when I pulled it up last night. :laugh:
Got the message: The media could not be played. Is a twitter account required?
I have one, but it's broken for me also.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v249/danny0023/DBmarWvWAAEuBg9_zpsvhywx42f.jpg)
It was a take on Spicer hiding in the bushes. Cute.
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Trump is a dickhead.
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I think his days may be numbered now.
Just wondering how far down the line they go?
Letting all Comey had to say sink in right now...sickening. Glad he documented it the way he did.
Waiting now to see if/when the files turn up from the investigations and busts Preet was conducting before Trump gave him the axe, just before he fired Comey.
:popcorn:
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N. Korea is sitting upon trillions of dollars worth of rare metals (largest in the world). I wonder why they want war with them so much?
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I think his days may be numbered now.
Obstruction of justice, from the looks of it.
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I think his days may be numbered now.
Obstruction of justice, from the looks of it.
I believe this is just the first notch in the post, before they possibly carve up the whole fucking post and roast his ass with the pieces.
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Donald Trump is a disaster. I have never seen a person of this kind of importance lie like this.
The man lies about damn near everything, lol
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In his first television interview since being fired by President Trump, former New York U.S. Attorney Preet Bharara, a friend and former colleague of ousted FBI director James Comey, comes exclusively to “This Week” Sunday.
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/sunday-week-preet-bharara/story?id=47941003
:asthing:Preet
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Donald Trump is a disaster. I have never seen a person of this kind of importance lie like this.
The man lies about damn near everything, lol
It's like fucking Darksydephil became president.
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I think his days may be numbered now.
Obstruction of justice, from the looks of it.
I think his days may be numbered now.
Obstruction of justice, from the looks of it.
I believe this is just the first notch in the post, before they possibly carve up the whole fucking post and roast his ass with the pieces.
Interesting. Do you ACTUALLY think so or does it make you feel better to imagine it happening?
If Trump REALLY wanted to obstruct an investigation, there is a precedent he could follow. Remember Iran-Contra deal? The clemency given to Casper Weinburger and all the other associates? What happened to that trial?
What about what Comey did in Hillary's investigations with HIM allowing devices broken, giving immunity to ....everyone, no looking at the servers....etc?
Did he do ANY of THAT?
No, he allowed all of that to go through. He also said, in respect to investigations into Russia and the alleged connections, that he was not involved but if any of his satellite associates were involved that it would be good to find that out. He DID say that "I hope you can see your way clear to letting this go, to letting Flynn go." Also, are they agreed as to what the precise wording was? It is obvious from the wording that this is no demand nor order. It is also clear that he did not force it as he could have done nor did he give everyone involved clemency as he could have. It is also shown that this had NO effect on the investigation for all the confusion, queasiness and such that Comey felt.
Comey said that he thought that this was an order BUT he admitted that he did not know Trump's intent
So....what was the obstruction of justice? Not only is obstruction of Justice a high legal bar which this does not even come close to but even in the "Watergate" high bar people have talked it up, it looks really negligible.
The Russian collusion narrative is falling apart at a rate of knots. But even more than this, Comey broke the Federal Records Act in sharing this with his Professor friend and getting his friend to leak his memo to the New York Times. THAT is a crime.
Some are saying that Loretta Lynch (according to Comey) asking Clinton to call the email investigation a matter, is obstruction of Justice. I think it falls really short of the obstruction of Justice benchmark. I DO think she obstructed justice and think this chat with Bill on the tarmac was symptomatic of this, but I think ultimately nothing will come of that.
I do think that some big hits may be coming in the next 6 months and they will be primarily FROM Trump and against the Democrats and Comey. I do not even know whather I am happy with it. It is probably a necessary evil BUT I think the time and energy would be better spent with him trying to fulfill promises he made to his voters.
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Who cares what you think, Al?
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Who cares what you think, Al?
I don't believe that you think much at all. I am going to keep commenting on here, regardless of whether you or anyone else dislikes or is indifferent to my posting. Don't like? Don't read.
(Probably best to speak on behalf of yourself solely, don't you think? Rhetorical question)
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That WAS a rhetoric question, silly.
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That WAS a rhetoric question, silly.
Yes, because you do not think.
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That WAS a rhetoric question, silly.
Yes, because you do not think.
It's not a process you're familiar with so how would you know?
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That WAS a rhetoric question, silly.
Yes, because you do not think.
It's not a process you're familiar with so how would you know?
"Yo Mama!"
That is where we are going noe right? You do the "I know what you are but what am I?" and I insult your Mum.
Thinking fail there, Odeon
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That WAS a rhetoric question, silly.
Yes, because you do not think.
It's not a process you're familiar with so how would you know?
"Yo Mama!"
That is where we are going noe right? You do the "I know what you are but what am I?" and I insult your Mum.
Thinking fail there, Odeon
Your mom jokes are a great idea. If this crap is never going to go away, at least make it entertaining and something worthwhile for others to participate.
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Your mom jokes are a great idea.
Your momma smells so bad, dogs wont even sniff her. :zoinks:
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Your mom's so ugly she scares the shit out of litter boxes.
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Your momma's so stupid she fails surveys. :zoinks:
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Yo mama so fat she has moons orbiting her.
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Your momma's so ugly she's the reason monsters hide under the bed. :zoinks:
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Your momma's so ugly she's the reason monsters hide under the bed. :zoinks:
:lol1:
Yo mama's so fat planes fly into her.
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Your momma's so ugly she has a prescription strength mirror. :zoinks:
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Yo mama so fat she's on both sides of the family.
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Your momma's so ugly cats try to bury her. :zoinks:
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Yo mom as so nasty, daisies grow on her ass crack
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Your momma's so fat she beeps when she backs up. :zoinks:
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That WAS a rhetoric question, silly.
Yes, because you do not think.
It's not a process you're familiar with so how would you know?
"Yo Mama!"
That is where we are going noe right? You do the "I know what you are but what am I?" and I insult your Mum.
Thinking fail there, Odeon
Arguing really isn't your thing (so maybe you should send in your Mum).
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That WAS a rhetoric question, silly.
Yes, because you do not think.
It's not a process you're familiar with so how would you know?
"Yo Mama!"
That is where we are going noe right? You do the "I know what you are but what am I?" and I insult your Mum.
Thinking fail there, Odeon
Arguing really isn't your thing (so maybe you should send in your Mum).
Nor yours.
Okay, so you want to bring my dead mother into things for reasons I am not sure of. Is this where your deranged mind goes when it thinks it argues well?
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Did you read your own post? Did you read anyone else's? Are you simply too stupid to understand why we're talking about mums?
You've got serious issues with reading comprehension, mate. Get help.
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Your momma's so fat she beeps when she backs up. :zoinks:
Yo mamma so dumb, she can't stop obsessing over a typo.
(https://scontent-atl3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t31.0-8/fr/cp0/e15/q65/18922601_1486078994786690_2525077080433408210_o.png.jpg?efg=eyJpIjoidCJ9&oh=cbe247a91bfe28e38b65934b2da64a73&oe=59E16E09)
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want to bring my dead mother into things
Your momma's so fat she ate the rest of my joke. :zoinks:
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Are you simply too stupid to understand why we're talking about mums?
Your momma's so fat she affects the tides. :zoinks:
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Yo mamma so dumb, she can't stop obsessing over a typo.
Your momma's so fat even her clothes have stretch marks. :zoinks:
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Are you simply too stupid to understand why we're talking about mums?
Your momma's so fat she affects the tides. :zoinks:
:laugh:
Yo mama's so fat she has her own weather system.
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Yo mama's so fat that when she walks she causes seismologists to panic.
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Your momma's so ugly she makes onions cry. :zoinks:
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Yo momma's so fat, I took a picture of her last Christmas and it's still printing.
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Your momma's so fat she wears neck deodorant. :zoinks:
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Yo momma's so fat and old when God said, "Let there be light" he asked your mother to move out of the way.
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Did you read your own post? Did you read anyone else's? Are you simply too stupid to understand why we're talking about mums?
You've got serious issues with reading comprehension, mate. Get help.
I did and here is the play by play as any normal rational person would read it:
You descended into the remedial argument tactic of "I know what are but what am I?"
I pointed out that it was only barely a notch up from similarly remedial "Yo Mamma" jokes and referenced that with..."Yo Mamma". I explained that both were ridiculous and in a race to the bottom that was only a small step down.
The rascally Gopher decided that "Yo Mamma" jokes were actually preferable and started dedication the thread to "Yo Mamma" jokes. I did not join in but others did and "Yo Mamma' jokes do have a place as generalised humour rather than argument tactics and fun was had.
But no, whilst that explains me and Gary and Fun with Matches and DFG and what they were doing, that does NOT explain what you were doing? You were NOT doing a "Yo Mamma" joke and pretending such would be ridiculous.
Yes you first attacked my dead mother for her parenting and then asked me to get her to fight (or argue) with you.
I am very sorry to say that any fight she may have had was stripped from her and not 6 years ago when she died at the young age of 61, but unfortunately much, much earlier as the Cancer that infested her liver, bowel, and kept her in a slow painful deterioration and decline, sap any of the physical force she once had. But being a petite lady and 4'10" there was not much of her in the first place. Though 10 years before the Cancer she was going to Advanced Aerobics 4 times a week and ate sparingly and did not drink or smoke. Unfortunate.
But now back to you Odeon, You were wanting to make some point about my deceased relative. Let us know what that point is. You can point me to the Trump thread all you like but no point was made as others were doing Yo Mamma jokes and I was pointing out that "I know what you are but what am I was a silly way to argue and that like "Yo Mamma" jokes ought to be avoided in arguments because they are poor arguments. You did neither.
What is your point? Make it for class.
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Yo momma so old that her pussy is haunted. :autism:
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Did you read your own post? Did you read anyone else's? Are you simply too stupid to understand why we're talking about mums?
You've got serious issues with reading comprehension, mate. Get help.
I did and here is the play by play as any normal rational person would read it:
You descended into the remedial argument tactic of "I know what are but what am I?"
I pointed out that it was only barely a notch up from similarly remedial "Yo Mamma" jokes and referenced that with..."Yo Mamma". I explained that both were ridiculous and in a race to the bottom that was only a small step down.
The rascally Gopher decided that "Yo Mamma" jokes were actually preferable and started dedication the thread to "Yo Mamma" jokes. I did not join in but others did and "Yo Mamma' jokes do have a place as generalised humour rather than argument tactics and fun was had.
But no, whilst that explains me and Gary and Fun with Matches and DFG and what they were doing, that does NOT explain what you were doing? You were NOT doing a "Yo Mamma" joke and pretending such would be ridiculous.
Yes you first attacked my dead mother for her parenting and then asked me to get her to fight (or argue) with you.
I am very sorry to say that any fight she may have had was stripped from her and not 6 years ago when she died at the young age of 61, but unfortunately much, much earlier as the Cancer that infested her liver, bowel, and kept her in a slow painful deterioration and decline, sap any of the physical force she once had. But being a petite lady and 4'10" there was not much of her in the first place. Though 10 years before the Cancer she was going to Advanced Aerobics 4 times a week and ate sparingly and did not drink or smoke. Unfortunate.
But now back to you Odeon, You were wanting to make some point about my deceased relative. Let us know what that point is. You can point me to the Trump thread all you like but no point was made as others were doing Yo Mamma jokes and I was pointing out that "I know what you are but what am I was a silly way to argue and that like "Yo Mamma" jokes ought to be avoided in arguments because they are poor arguments. You did neither.
What is your point? Make it for class.
My point? I thought it was obvious: you are an idiot with reading comprehension issues.
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Yo momma so ugly she turned Medusa to stone.
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Yo momma so old that her pussy is haunted. :autism:
(https://www.amazon.com/Haunted-Vagina-Carlton-Mellick-III/dp/097624988X#immersive-view_1497476568886)
https://www.amazon.com/Haunted-Vagina-Carlton-Mellick-III/dp/097624988X
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Yo momma so old that her pussy is haunted. :autism:
(https://www.amazon.com/Haunted-Vagina-Carlton-Mellick-III/dp/097624988X#immersive-view_1497476568886)
https://www.amazon.com/Haunted-Vagina-Carlton-Mellick-III/dp/097624988X
Clicked on the link and written right above it was "last minute gifts for dad" :laugh:
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Donald Trump is the president of all Americans and not just his base. Shouldn't he be doing things for everyone even if they didn't vote for him?
Besides all that it's seriously impossible to not get in trouble somewhere along the line when you have that many people in your orbit. Something will turn up, maybe Jared Kushner laundered money? Perhaps Mike Pence knew about Mike Flynn being a weasel getting paid by another government while trying to work for ours?
One thing is for sure. Donald Trump is a liar, he has no tapes of his conversation with Comey
Mueller is bound to turn up something. Only a matter of time
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Your momma's so ugly her birth certificate is an apology. :zoinks:
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Donald Trump is the president of all Americans and not just his base. Shouldn't he be doing things for everyone even if they didn't vote for him?
Besides all that it's seriously impossible to not get in trouble somewhere along the line when you have that many people in your orbit. Something will turn up, maybe Jared Kushner laundered money? Perhaps Mike Pence knew about Mike Flynn being a weasel getting paid by another government while trying to work for ours?
One thing is for sure. Donald Trump is a liar, he has no tapes of his conversation with Comey
Mueller is bound to turn up something. Only a matter of time
Jesse, what did he ACTUALLY say about the tapes? Did he say something like "Comey better hope there are no tapes recording his conversation with me" OR something like "I actually have tapes of Comey"
IN the first instance he is not a liar if the tapes exist or if they do not exist because he has not verified their existence, in the second, he is stating unequivocally that he has tapes and would be a liar in saying this if they did not exist.
Look at his comment. He did not lie either way. HOWEVER, that is not to say that it is not a bit juvenile and silly and more than a little weaselly.
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Donald Trump is the president of all Americans and not just his base. Shouldn't he be doing things for everyone even if they didn't vote for him?
Besides all that it's seriously impossible to not get in trouble somewhere along the line when you have that many people in your orbit. Something will turn up, maybe Jared Kushner laundered money? Perhaps Mike Pence knew about Mike Flynn being a weasel getting paid by another government while trying to work for ours?
One thing is for sure. Donald Trump is a liar, he has no tapes of his conversation with Comey
Mueller is bound to turn up something. Only a matter of time
Supposedly Comey has tapes. :zoinks:
Tapes of the phone conversations between him and Trump.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/3560873/posts
https://patribotics.blog/2017/06/13/exclusive-director-comey-legally-taped-calls-meetings-with-trump/
Unconfirmed, but I've seen about 5 reports of it.
TrueFactsStated leaked paperwork concerning the phone awhile back before those articles even popped up, but no names where given at the time.
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Yo mama so fat if she had a porn name it would be Krispy Kreme.
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Donald Trump is the president of all Americans and not just his base. Shouldn't he be doing things for everyone even if they didn't vote for him?
Besides all that it's seriously impossible to not get in trouble somewhere along the line when you have that many people in your orbit. Something will turn up, maybe Jared Kushner laundered money? Perhaps Mike Pence knew about Mike Flynn being a weasel getting paid by another government while trying to work for ours?
One thing is for sure. Donald Trump is a liar, he has no tapes of his conversation with Comey
Mueller is bound to turn up something. Only a matter of time
Jesse, what did he ACTUALLY say about the tapes? Did he say something like "Comey better hope there are no tapes recording his conversation with me" OR something like "I actually have tapes of Comey"
IN the first instance he is not a liar if the tapes exist or if they do not exist because he has not verified their existence, in the second, he is stating unequivocally that he has tapes and would be a liar in saying this if they did not exist.
Look at his comment. He did not lie either way. HOWEVER, that is not to say that it is not a bit juvenile and silly and more than a little weaselly.
what about 3 million people voting illegally in the election that he keeps talking about? That never happend yet he keeps saying it, the problem is of course I can go on about all of Donald Trumps lies and most of them aren't some juvenile "prank" but down right lies
Or Obama Wiretapping Trump tower. Another lie or Obamas birth certificate being fake or Muslims cheering on the jersey shore when the towers fell
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Or Mexico paying for a border wall. Another lie lol
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Or Mexico paying for a border wall. Another lie lol
I heard now he might build a solar wall so it can pay for itself. :zoinks:
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Donald Trump is the president of all Americans and not just his base. Shouldn't he be doing things for everyone even if they didn't vote for him?
Besides all that it's seriously impossible to not get in trouble somewhere along the line when you have that many people in your orbit. Something will turn up, maybe Jared Kushner laundered money? Perhaps Mike Pence knew about Mike Flynn being a weasel getting paid by another government while trying to work for ours?
One thing is for sure. Donald Trump is a liar, he has no tapes of his conversation with Comey
Mueller is bound to turn up something. Only a matter of time
Jesse, what did he ACTUALLY say about the tapes? Did he say something like "Comey better hope there are no tapes recording his conversation with me" OR something like "I actually have tapes of Comey"
IN the first instance he is not a liar if the tapes exist or if they do not exist because he has not verified their existence, in the second, he is stating unequivocally that he has tapes and would be a liar in saying this if they did not exist.
Look at his comment. He did not lie either way. HOWEVER, that is not to say that it is not a bit juvenile and silly and more than a little weaselly.
what about 3 million people voting illegally in the election that he keeps talking about? That never happend yet he keeps saying it, the problem is of course I can go on about all of Donald Trumps lies and most of them aren't some juvenile "prank" but down right lies
Or Obama Wiretapping Trump tower. Another lie or Obamas birth certificate being fake or Muslims cheering on the jersey shore when the towers fell
So there is a few points there and probably all deserve a mention.
what about:
3 million people voting illegally in the election that he keeps talking about?
This was sensationalist bullshit. It was based on absolute truth. There were thousands and maybe tens of thousands of people voting illegally and this is provably true BUT saying 3 million was simply him saying "Where can I find that extra 3 million needed to show I did not lose the popular vote". Is it outside the realms of possibility that 3 million people voted illegally? No, but it is very, very improbable and before spouting something so fantastic he should have come to the party with some strong evidence to back a strong claim.
Obama Wiretapping Trump tower
Absolutely true. BTW as media tends to do, the fact that he said "wire tapping" and not wire tapping is something that they purposely change because then they get to say "There were no wires being taped so..."
Trump WAS being surveilled and spied on by the Obama campaign and LIKELY at direction of Obama personally or his surrogate Lynch. This is objective truth and is out there. It actually makes the Russia/Collusion clownshow more farcical. He was investigated before he was even in office and surveilled and they have nothing but some dossier that was proven wrong and Hollywood Access tapes.
He did put wiretapped in quotation marks and I think it is like someone of my generation saying something like "copy it onto a floppy disk or whatever, and send it my way"
So he was absolutely true and Obama as outgoing President, spying on incoming President is a new low and a new precedent and reflects badly on his government.
Obamas birth certificate being fake
This was pretty bloody stupid. He took his lead from Hillary and ran with it, over the hills and far away. This was based on nothing and was idiotic of him.
Muslims cheering on the jersey shore when the towers fell
https://www.washingtonpost.com/archive/politics/2001/09/18/northern-new-jersey-draws-probers-eyes/40f82ea4-e015-4d6e-a87e-93aa433fafdc/?postshare=7281448290025183&tid=ss_fb&utm_term=.2a0a5b7439d1
So what would one be the argument here? That there were many instances of but not thousands like he claimed? That the numbers and instances of this happening are hard to evidence? These would be kind of reasonable but a bit negligible. So the alternative is to say "He lied and made it all up!", is pretty dishonest and stupid. Yet the media perpetuates this sensationism to further propaganda
That never happend yet he keeps saying it, the problem is of course I can go on about all of Donald Trumps lies and most of them aren't some juvenile "prank" but down right lies
You COULD go on and on, but likely what you will find when you get to the bottom of it is that he is an exaggerator. The Liberal Media and Democrats are deliberately and ideologically driven and are purposely dishonest themselves. Propaganda.
Can he tell outright lies? Sure. Does he? Sure. But let's not pretend his talking shit up or making generalisations is the same as lying? I would much prefer the kind of lies about the quantity or quality of something than, I don't know, whether or not you had a server, whether you gave over all the emails, whether you deleted emails, were shot at over Bosnia and so on.
It would be great if he did not lie at all or bullshit but then he would never have made President otherwise. You get what you have and you have him for 4 years before you get the opportunity to vote him out.
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Or Mexico paying for a border wall. Another lie lol
I heard now he might build a solar wall so it can pay for itself. :zoinks:
:lol1:
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Or Mexico paying for a border wall. Another lie lol
It's lie after lie, really. He can't help himself.
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Or Mexico paying for a border wall. Another lie lol
I heard now he might build a solar wall so it can pay for itself. :zoinks:
:lol1:
I know that sounds like a funny joke, but it's true. :orly:
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Or Mexico paying for a border wall. Another lie lol
I heard now he might build a solar wall so it can pay for itself. :zoinks:
:lol1:
I know that sounds like a funny joke, but it's true. :orly:
Some truths are hilarious.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iYZKrn7Bbl8
I totally :heart: Vicente Fox, he's one of Trump's finest trolls.
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:laugh:
Hopefully this will piss him off.
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:laugh:
Hopefully this will piss him off.
Why would it annoy him? Fox isn't President nor has he been since 2006. His opinion doesn't matter.
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Yeah, he only reacts to things that matter to him.
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Yeah, he only reacts to things that matter to him.
He has slightly bigger things on his plate than some ex-President troll, I am sure.
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Yes, he'd never concern himself with anything that trivial.
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Yes, he'd never concern himself with anything that trivial.
Let's see.
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Yes, he'd never concern himself with anything that trivial.
Donald J. TrumpVerified account @realDonaldTrump Jun 16
The Fake News Media hates when I use what has turned out to be my very powerful Social Media - over 100 million people! I can go around them
Yep, he's far too busy bragging about his social media following...half of them bots he purchased last month. :zoinks:
http://fortune.com/2017/05/31/trump-twitter-bot-war/
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iYZKrn7Bbl8
I totally :heart: Vicente Fox, he's one of Trump's finest trolls.
This surely makes up for all the lives lost at the hands of the drug cartels under his presidency.
MEXICO CITY — It is not easy for any reporter to cover drug trafficking in Mexico, a country where more than 80 journalists have been shot, stabbed, bludgeoned to death or decapitated since 2006.
But despite the risks, journalist and author Anabel Hernandez not only covers the issue, but also levels accusations of narco corruption in the country’s most powerful institution: the presidency.
In articles and books, she has alleged links between kingpins such as Joaquin “Chapo” Guzman and a series of Mexican presidents, including Vicente Fox, who ruled from 2000 to 2006, and Felipe Calderon, in power from 2006 to 2012.
According to Hernandez, these leaders’ war on drugs was a farce in which they used soldiers and police to help out Guzman’s Sinaloa cartel.
And despite Guzman’s dramatic arrest in February by Mexican marines, Hernandez suspects the Sinaloa Cartel is only growing in power under current President Enrique Peña Nieto.
MEXICO CITY — It is not easy for any reporter to cover drug trafficking in Mexico, a country where more than 80 journalists have been shot, stabbed, bludgeoned to death or decapitated since 2006.
But despite the risks, journalist and author Anabel Hernandez not only covers the issue, but also levels accusations of narco corruption in the country’s most powerful institution: the presidency.
In articles and books, she has alleged links between kingpins such as Joaquin “Chapo” Guzman and a series of Mexican presidents, including Vicente Fox, who ruled from 2000 to 2006, and Felipe Calderon, in power from 2006 to 2012.
According to Hernandez, these leaders’ war on drugs was a farce in which they used soldiers and police to help out Guzman’s Sinaloa cartel.
And despite Guzman’s dramatic arrest in February by Mexican marines, Hernandez suspects the Sinaloa Cartel is only growing in power under current President Enrique Peña Nieto.
These accusations have major implications for Mexico, where more than 70,000 have died in cartel-related violence since 2006. But they also impact the United States, which has supported Mexico’s fight against drug gangs with billions of dollars, while the US Drug Enforcement Administration and others have worked closely with the Mexican security forces under the command of these presidents.
Such controversial investigations have come at a high personal cost. Hernandez, a mother of two, has faced relentless threats and intimidation, including Kalashnikov-wielding thugs breaking into her home.
Hernandez has been particularly concerned about her country’s federal police, drawing alleged links between them and the drug cartels.
In contrast, Mexico City’s police have provided her with protection against gunmen who might want her dead.
But while sacrificing so much of her personal freedom, Hernandez has made a huge impact on coverage of drug trafficking. Her book “Los Señores del Narco,” translated into English as “Narcoland,” has sold more than 200,000 copies, making it one of Mexico’s best-selling nonfiction works in recent years.
While the former presidents and other officials have denied Hernandez’s accusations, they have not sued her over them. Hernandez says this is because they cannot disprove her assertions, or in many cases show where their mysterious wealth came from.
As she launched a new edition of her book this summer, GlobalPost spoke with Hernandez about her investigations and what drives her on.
GlobalPost: How did you make the journey to find yourself investigating drug cartels?
Hernandez: I really started investigative journalism after the death of my father. My father was kidnapped and murdered in December 2000. … It is difficult for me to say this, but my father was abducted, beaten, put in a car trunk, and tied up in such a way that he suffocated. The case was never solved. The authorities asked for money to continue the investigation, which we refused to pay. It is very frustrating. What are you as an individual going to do against a corrupt system? This issue of my father made me change my outlook on life. For me, investigative journalism was a refuge.
Are you sure corruption in Mexico reaches the highest levels and it's not just lower-ranking officials who work for drug cartels?
Since President Luis Echeverria (1970-1976) the links with drug trafficking have been at a presidential level. Corruption in Mexico is pyramidal and from the presidency it permeates other institutions. … The principal public officials and politicians that have been part of this system are still in power. They are deputies, senators, governors and others.
Chapo Guzman escaped from a Mexican prison in 2001. How can you be sure that then-President Fox was complicit in this?
The escape happened under his government, and it involved public officials that worked under his orders. There is no doubt … Fox started his administration with just $1,000 in the bank. His companies were all bankrupt. … Chapo Guzman escaped on Jan. 19, 2001. In February, Fox started to spend money, to buy property and remodel his ranch. Where did he get this money? It is completely inexplicable. … He has never been able to sue me because he cannot justify this wealth.
Do you believe that President Felipe Calderon would personally meet with drug traffickers?
“La Barbie” [arrested trafficker Edgar Villarreal] wrote me a letter in 2012 revealing that Calderon headed meetings [with drug traffickers] … I have firmly documented that people of Ismael Mayo Zambada [a wanted drug trafficker] went into Los Pinos [Mexico’s presidential palace].
I am convinced that this war on drug trafficking was never real. Its only intention was to protect the Sinaloa cartel and attack others.
What is current President Peña Nieto’s policy toward drug trafficking?
I believe that Enrique Peña Nieto is trying to make an old-style pact with drug traffickers. The issue is that he won’t be able to because organized crime is so pulverized and there are so many loose criminal cells that don’t take orders from anybody. What I can say is that the Sinaloa cartel is achieving under this administration what it didn’t achieve in its best years under Fox and Calderon.
What do you think about legalizing drugs to stop billions of dollars that fund corruption?
I don’t believe in legalization. I don’t believe that everybody should have access to drugs and this is the solution the problem. … I believe that there has to be for the first time in the world a true war on drugs. To have a true war on drugs we need to investigate the big world banks, put all the money launderers in prison. The war on drugs is not with a pistol or an AK-47. The war on drugs has to be financial.
What do you hope to achieve with your investigations? What should Mexico do, put former presidents in prison?
What I have learned in nine years of investigation into drug trafficking is that a general, a public security secretary or a governor is more dangerous than Chapo Guzman himself. They are the ones that betray the country, that sell the state to organized crime and they should face exemplary punishments. … If there are no exemplary punishments against the Mexican political and business class who permit people like Chapo Guzman to exist, then nothing is going to change and we are just going to be repeating this story of death, sometimes with more violence, sometimes with less, but always with the Mexican state under control of drug traffickers. We have to break this cycle.
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It is estimated that more than 120,00 people have been killed in drug cartel-related violence in Mexico in the last ten years or so. About as many lost their lives in gun-related homicides in the US during that time.
So yeah, Trump shouldn't care about that troll. Plenty of stuff requiring his attention closer to home.
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It is estimated that more than 120,00 people have been killed in drug cartel-related violence in Mexico in the last ten years or so. About as many lost their lives in gun-related homicides in the US during that time.
So yeah, Trump shouldn't care about that troll. Plenty of stuff requiring his attention closer to home.
With a porous border the cartel are preying on illegals going into America. 80% of the illegal women are being rapef. those illegal immigrants not keeping up are left behind to die of exposure and all are preyed upon.
This is not reflected in your figures.
A barrier is NOT going to stop all illegal immigration nor stop the cartel completely but will make it more difficult and easier to police.
As to other problems? There is always going to be many issues needing attention and always will be
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Your point being...?
Me, if I was the President of the US of A, I'd worry about those gun-related deaths a whole lot, probably more than I would about bad people entering the country.
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Yes, I can follow your logic.
If you were the current President with the current alternatives, constituents and climate, you would go back on the support given already to your constituents and Gun centric communities and activist grounds and go against the GOP, to do what the opposition party wants, knowing too the Second Amendment is about the only thing in which all the GOP is collectively behind and mosy Americans.
So you think now may be a good time for him to try fiddling with the limitations and restrictions placed on Second Amendment and see how much California and New York support you, the media and Democrats give you guarded praise and the rest of the country damns you AND nothing goes through the house or senate or courts AND you lose any credibility you had with your party to push any more of your agenda AND your supporters snub you for backing away from your commitments.
Now constrast THAT outcome with building a wall.
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This surely makes up for all the lives lost at the hands of the drug cartels under his presidency.
The main thing a politician really needs in charisma, and Vicente has it. :dunno:
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Me, if I was the President of the US of A, I'd worry about those gun-related deaths a whole lot, probably more than I would about bad people entering the country.
Deport all the darkies and the murder rate drops by more than half. :nerdy:
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So, just for argument' sake, let's say they did and the murder rate did drop by half.
Do you think 60,000 people killed in ten years is an acceptable figure?
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So, just for argument' sake, let's say they did and the murder rate did drop by half.
Do you think 60,000 people killed in ten years is an acceptable figure?
Wrong question.
Do you imagine that ANY President will be able to make huge inroads into this and put huge restrictions nationwide on Second Amendment Rights? When I say President, I am talking SPECIFICALLY America NOT other countries with different cultures.
ANY limitation on guns suggested by ANYONE to the Republicans (approximately ALL of them AND they ARE the majority) will shoot it down dead and so will a lot of rural Democrats and Independents.
So IF your thought is ANYTHING to do with ANYTHING that infringes or limits the Constitutional rights of the Second Amendment then that will NOT happen under the President. If not, what WAS your suggestion?
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So, just for argument' sake, let's say they did and the murder rate did drop by half.
Do you think 60,000 people killed in ten years is an acceptable figure?
The numbers that I got are slightly lower but close to yours.
That would be 6,000 per year in a country of 320M.
35,000 die each year on American roads so statistically (not in reality mind you, getting shot often involves risky behavior where car accidents are a bit more random), you're almost 6 times more likely to be killed in a car accident than get shot.
So in exchange for theoretically preventing 6,000 deaths per year, we get your totalitarian Marxist Utopia.
I'll take the 6,000 deaths per year, thank you very much.
http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2015/10/21/gun-homicides-steady-after-decline-in-90s-suicide-rate-edges-up/
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So IF your thought is ANYTHING to do with ANYTHING that infringes or limits the Constitutional rights of the Second Amendment then that will NOT happen under the President. If not, what WAS your suggestion?
His suggestion is a totalitarian police state.
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https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=FJz3SliN2eM&ebc=ANyPxKoOTZTGQ-4D23jgaPg92klxUyg00QQGBxxB8xUsX18bFRjCAbUkzpHhbsWFbOoADjIyrdTBQBR9tKF8rUkwqpMYM0PQxA&time_continue=34
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So, just for argument' sake, let's say they did and the murder rate did drop by half.
Do you think 60,000 people killed in ten years is an acceptable figure?
The numbers that I got are slightly lower but close to yours.
That would be 6,000 per year in a country of 320M.
35,000 die each year on American roads so statistically (not in reality mind you, getting shot often involves risky behavior where car accidents are a bit more random), you're almost 6 times more likely to be killed in a car accident than get shot.
So in exchange for theoretically preventing 6,000 deaths per year, we get your totalitarian Marxist Utopia.
I'll take the 6,000 deaths per year, thank you very much.
http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2015/10/21/gun-homicides-steady-after-decline-in-90s-suicide-rate-edges-up/
I would prefer that neither me nor mine end up as one of those numbers. I travel well armed. Thank you.
Oh, BTW, did I mention that I actually know how to use one ( or many ) of these "evil things" fairly well.
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Which reminds me; I need to get back out to the range to continue my sons education and take a second try at helping along my daughter's interest.
They are both still teens, so I have to be there, but I can not think of a better legacy to leave them than a working knowledge of ... well, how to drill down a target or two with a number of varied weapons.
I just wish I could impress upon them how important it is to see the potential that anything, anywhere around you is ALSO a potential weapon, not just the noisy things that are so much fun to shoot. :dunno:
Many leagues yet to traverse.
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Which reminds me; I need to get back out to the range to continue my sons education and take a second try at helping along my daughter's interest.
They are both still teens, so I have to be there, but I can not think of a better legacy to leave them than a working knowledge of ... well, how to drill down a target or two with a number of varied weapons.
I just wish I could impress upon them how important it is to see the potential that anything, anywhere around you is ALSO a potential weapon, not just the noisy things that are so much fun to shoot. :dunno:
Many leagues yet to traverse.
Pistols require a lot more practice than long guns do, to be proficient with a pistol, you should shoot at least 50 rounds a week.
Since ammo is so expensive these days, you might as well teach them how to melt wheel weights down into bullets and load their own ammo.
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Which reminds me; I need to get back out to the range to continue my sons education and take a second try at helping along my daughter's interest.
They are both still teens, so I have to be there, but I can not think of a better legacy to leave them than a working knowledge of ... well, how to drill down a target or two with a number of varied weapons.
I just wish I could impress upon them how important it is to see the potential that anything, anywhere around you is ALSO a potential weapon, not just the noisy things that are so much fun to shoot. :dunno:
Many leagues yet to traverse.
Pistols require a lot more practice than long guns do, to be proficient with a pistol, you should shoot at least 50 rounds a week.
Since ammo is so expensive these days, you might as well teach them how to melt wheel weights down into bullets and load their own ammo.
Yes, we all reload. I have casting equipment and several five gallon buckets almost too heavy for the buckets of wheel weights -get them if you can find them- everyone else is looking for them as well, but at this point I am still buying black coated bullets in bulk for my nine millimeter and my forty fives. We mostly shoot the cheapest .22 I can find.
Lessons are still mostly fun at this point and sometimes productive.
I do not shoot every week, but when I do I generally shoot a couple of hundred rounds of either nine MM (I now have two - added a nice Ruger to the Browning) or forty five auto (still only own the three 1911 types and the one Glock), sometimes both.
I seldom carry any of my revolvers to the range. I consider those big, cumbersome magnums as hunting gear and I do not agree that that deliberate type of shooting talent goes away the same as quick draw and muscling a small wieldable handgun around to target.
But honestly, when I think of self defense with a handgun, those to me are a kind of portable half measure that either gets you a chance to get away safely or a chance to get to one of your shotguns or rifles. Twelve gauge is my choice for home defense.
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So, just for argument' sake, let's say they did and the murder rate did drop by half.
Do you think 60,000 people killed in ten years is an acceptable figure?
Wrong question.
Do you imagine that ANY President will be able to make huge inroads into this and put huge restrictions nationwide on Second Amendment Rights? When I say President, I am talking SPECIFICALLY America NOT other countries with different cultures.
ANY limitation on guns suggested by ANYONE to the Republicans (approximately ALL of them AND they ARE the majority) will shoot it down dead and so will a lot of rural Democrats and Independents.
So IF your thought is ANYTHING to do with ANYTHING that infringes or limits the Constitutional rights of the Second Amendment then that will NOT happen under the President. If not, what WAS your suggestion?
I'm not suggesting anything beyond the president looking into around 12,000 citizens losing their lives every year. I'm pretty sure this wasn't what the founding fathers had in mind when the idea popped up that there should be a well-equipped militia around to fight a leadership gone awry.
And yes, the republicans have the majority but unless I'm mistaken, around 70% of the general population support stricter gun control measures. Not something that will actually limit the options of that militia (which would be powerless in any case, but we already knew that), but at least some kind of sanity check before guns are handed out to people who clearly shouldn't have them.
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So, just for argument' sake, let's say they did and the murder rate did drop by half.
Do you think 60,000 people killed in ten years is an acceptable figure?
The numbers that I got are slightly lower but close to yours.
That would be 6,000 per year in a country of 320M.
35,000 die each year on American roads so statistically (not in reality mind you, getting shot often involves risky behavior where car accidents are a bit more random), you're almost 6 times more likely to be killed in a car accident than get shot.
So in exchange for theoretically preventing 6,000 deaths per year, we get your totalitarian Marxist Utopia.
I'll take the 6,000 deaths per year, thank you very much.
http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2015/10/21/gun-homicides-steady-after-decline-in-90s-suicide-rate-edges-up/
Ah, so because more people are killed in car accidents, then the utterly preventable gun deaths are OK? Yeah, I always loved that argument.
Also love the totalitarian argument.
What other things do you lie to yourself about?
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So IF your thought is ANYTHING to do with ANYTHING that infringes or limits the Constitutional rights of the Second Amendment then that will NOT happen under the President. If not, what WAS your suggestion?
His suggestion is a totalitarian police state.
:rofl:
Yes, that's exactly what I said.
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So, just for argument' sake, let's say they did and the murder rate did drop by half.
Do you think 60,000 people killed in ten years is an acceptable figure?
Wrong question.
Do you imagine that ANY President will be able to make huge inroads into this and put huge restrictions nationwide on Second Amendment Rights? When I say President, I am talking SPECIFICALLY America NOT other countries with different cultures.
ANY limitation on guns suggested by ANYONE to the Republicans (approximately ALL of them AND they ARE the majority) will shoot it down dead and so will a lot of rural Democrats and Independents.
So IF your thought is ANYTHING to do with ANYTHING that infringes or limits the Constitutional rights of the Second Amendment then that will NOT happen under the President. If not, what WAS your suggestion?
I'm not suggesting anything beyond the president looking into around 12,000 citizens losing their lives every year. I'm pretty sure this wasn't what the founding fathers had in mind when the idea popped up that there should be a well-equipped militia around to fight a leadership gone awry.
And yes, the republicans have the majority but unless I'm mistaken, around 70% of the general population support stricter gun control measures. Not something that will actually limit the options of that militia (which would be powerless in any case, but we already knew that), but at least some kind of sanity check before guns are handed out to people who clearly shouldn't have them.
You are absolutely mistaken.
Rather than say "If I was the President I would do as I feel fit and be able to push through my personal views BECAUSE I am President" (which is in a nutshell, what you are saying) I will lead you back to.....
"ANY limitation on guns suggested by ANYONE to the Republicans (approximately ALL of them AND they ARE the majority) will shoot it down dead and so will a lot of rural Democrats and Independents.
So IF your thought is ANYTHING to do with ANYTHING that infringes or limits the Constitutional rights of the Second Amendment then that will NOT happen under the President. If not, what WAS your suggestion?"
Such a bill WILL NOT go through regardless of whether or not you particularly like it or it fits neatly into your political ideology.
So we will ask again, IF YOU were the President, how would YOU do what you state YOU would do as President?
I am all good if you are happy to admit you are just full of shit and have no fucking idea about near on anything. That works too.
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Do you think your post will somehow have meaning if you capitalise a couple of words? And also, I take it you're OK with the 12,000 yearly casualties, then? Fucking idiot.
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Ah, so because more people are killed in car accidents, then the utterly preventable gun deaths are OK? Yeah, I always loved that argument.
They're not preventable, evil people will do evil things and they will get guns if they want them.
The very fact that you think you can control the behavior of others, outs you as an authoritarian.
Also love the totalitarian argument.
The shoe fits, wear it.
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So IF your thought is ANYTHING to do with ANYTHING that infringes or limits the Constitutional rights of the Second Amendment then that will NOT happen under the President. If not, what WAS your suggestion?
His suggestion is a totalitarian police state.
:rofl:
Yes, that's exactly what I said.
Yes it is, when you read between the lines.
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When *you* read between the lines. Thing is, you can't read.
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And while we wait for Scrappy to compose himself...
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2017/06/23/opinion/trumps-lies.html
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When *you* read between the lines. Thing is, you can't read.
You keep saying that, while you misread everyone else. ::)
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When *you* read between the lines. Thing is, you can't read.
You keep saying that, while you misread everyone else. ::)
:rofl:
The irony is staggering.
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T.O.M. must be a bitch for you.
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And while we wait for Scrappy to compose himself...
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2017/06/23/opinion/trumps-lies.html
The relevance to gun laws is.....?
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There is none, just another diversion tactic. Odeurn is so predictable.
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There is none, just another diversion tactic. Odeurn is so predictable.
Right.
Odeon showed he had not thought things through before he foisted his political opinions into the mill.
It is a common theme I find. He knows what he dislikes but has no idea why and cannot think things through. He has got all the talking points and the zealous indignation, which is a start I guess, and he even backs this up with righteous moralising.
He just does not have the critical thinking part. Maybe he never will.
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And while we wait for Scrappy to compose himself...
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2017/06/23/opinion/trumps-lies.html
The relevance to gun laws is.....?
See the subject line of this thread.
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Please, no arguing for today. Nobody needs it.
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Not about to.
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Please, no arguing for today. Nobody needs it.
I notice this is the second time youve donr this. You do not need to keep doing this. All of us understand exactly what is going on and do not need moralising or nannying. It is bad form.
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This is why the aliens don't visit us. >:(
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This is why the aliens don't visit us. >:(
The sad reality is that we're not noticeable. And they are not. IF they are around now, which I doubt.
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This is why the aliens don't visit us. >:(
Are you stalking me? I said that on Facebook.
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This is why the aliens don't visit us. >:(
Are you stalking me? I said that on Facebook.
Facebook is for people who have friends. :zoinks:
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This is why the aliens don't visit us. >:(
The sad reality is that we're not noticeable. And they are not. IF they are around now, which I doubt.
Humanity is divided and weak. Now would be a great time.
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This is why the aliens don't visit us. >:(
The sad reality is that we're not noticeable. And they are not. IF they are around now, which I doubt.
Humanity is divided and weak. Now would be a great time.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p6rYhQDQ4to
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=42K3GPUYY7E
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Trump is a dotard. :zoinks:
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=42K3GPUYY7E
Is this in response to the Mars Attacks thing? If so, we're even more ripe for an alien invasion than I realised. :apondering:
There's only one thing for it then.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7FPELc1wEvk
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Trump is a dotard. :zoinks:
That needs to start trending again. :laugh:
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The US does need to get away from the old president trend; thought Obama might have been the beginning of that. Always assumed the preference for age was based in the earning of one's leadership stripes, not only in politics, but often the military as well. Maybe that was an incorrect assumption.
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Trump is a dotard. :zoinks:
That needs to start trending again. :laugh:
I think it's brilliant. :laugh:
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:agreed:
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The US does need to get away from the old president trend; thought Obama might have been the beginning of that. Always assumed the preference for age was based in the earning of one's leadership stripes, not only in politics, but often the military as well. Maybe that was an incorrect assumption.
Hell, Kennedy is still the youngest elected President (Theodore Roosevelt assumed office) and he was 43 at the time.
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The US does need to get away from the old president trend; thought Obama might have been the beginning of that. Always assumed the preference for age was based in the earning of one's leadership stripes, not only in politics, but often the military as well. Maybe that was an incorrect assumption.
Seriously.
Look what Canada has.
Just Look.
(http://cdn.newsapi.com.au/image/v1/76f1c7c85562fc2ce80b32695a2fa7b4?width=316)
I want that.
This shit is just boring.
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The US does need to get away from the old president trend; thought Obama might have been the beginning of that. Always assumed the preference for age was based in the earning of one's leadership stripes, not only in politics, but often the military as well. Maybe that was an incorrect assumption.
Hell, Kennedy is still the youngest elected President (Theodore Roosevelt assumed office) and he was 43 at the time.
It's been said Bill Clinton died his hair gray during his presidential campaign because his age was considered a deficit, though being president made him naturally gray enough. :laugh:
The US does need to get away from the old president trend; thought Obama might have been the beginning of that. Always assumed the preference for age was based in the earning of one's leadership stripes, not only in politics, but often the military as well. Maybe that was an incorrect assumption.
Seriously.
Look what Canada has.
Just Look.
I want that.
This shit is just boring.
:laugh:
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So what's that yellow hair colour about then?
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So what's that yellow hair colour about then?
Yellow is his favorite color. >:D
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I thought orange was. :tard:
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somebody told him there's a bit of red in orange, so he washed it out.
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The US does need to get away from the old president trend; thought Obama might have been the beginning of that. Always assumed the preference for age was based in the earning of one's leadership stripes, not only in politics, but often the military as well. Maybe that was an incorrect assumption.
Seriously.
Look what Canada has.
Just Look.
(http://cdn.newsapi.com.au/image/v1/76f1c7c85562fc2ce80b32695a2fa7b4?width=316)
I want that.
This shit is just boring.
He boxes, too:
(http://static1.businessinsider.com/image/5627eec0dd089529328b45ad-506-253/canadas-new-prime-minister-is-an-outrageously-fit-badass.jpg)
Just look at him!
(https://img.buzzfeed.com/buzzfeed-static/static/2017-03/2/23/asset/buzzfeed-prod-fastlane-02/anigif_sub-buzz-16345-1488514524-3.gif)
Whereas, where I live:
This is the current UK Prime Minister:
(http://is-a-cunt.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/10/Theresa-May-slaps-time-limit-on-detention-of-pregnant-women-in-immigration-custody-515355.jpg)
This is the leader of Northern Ireland:
(http://i1.mirror.co.uk/incoming/article10593769.ece/ALTERNATES/s615b/Leader-Of-The-DUP-Arlene-Foster-Addresses-Possibility-Of-Election-Coalition.jpg)
Have any British leaders been hot? David Cameron shagged a pig and you could land a plane on his forehead! Also, his treatment of the disabled makes him pretty fucking ugly as well.
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Exactly.
Trudeau even has Chewbacca socks.
(http://img.usmagazine.com/480-width/justin-trudeau-chewbacca-socks-02-b5be2e88-8fd4-402a-b08a-bf4ff18e6e79.jpg)
*cries silently in her coffee*
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Exactly.
Trudeau even has Chewbacca socks.
(http://img.usmagazine.com/480-width/justin-trudeau-chewbacca-socks-02-b5be2e88-8fd4-402a-b08a-bf4ff18e6e79.jpg)
*cries silently in her coffee*
Why does he have to be happily married? :bigcry:
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Why does he have to be happily married? :bigcry:
I don't know. :bigcry: :bigcry:
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This Trudeau?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IgQFFa-8Zuk
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Why does he have to be happily married? :bigcry:
I don't know. :bigcry: :bigcry:
Yay Pity Party!!!
:bigcry: :bigcry: :bigcry: :bigcry:
We're not worthy, We're not worthy
:worship: :worship:
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This Trudeau?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IgQFFa-8Zuk
Social awkwardness just makes me more attractive to me. :zoinks:
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Social awkwardness just makes me more attractive to me. :zoinks:
Me too. :heart: :laugh:
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Social awkwardness just makes me more attractive to me. :zoinks:
Me too. :heart: :laugh:
If we're talking about my taste in men...
5. Justin Trudeau
4. Kit Harrington (plays Jon Snow on Game of Thrones)
3. Pedro Pascal (he played Oberyn Martell on Game of Thrones)
2. Chris Pratt
1. Markiplier
Aside from Pedro, all of these men have displayed moments of social awkwardness. :heart:
But all of them are in relationships :bigcry:
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Plus, he is not a dotard.
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Is there even such a thing as a politician who makes it to the top that isn't an amoralistic piece of shit?
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Is there even such a thing as a politician who makes it to the top that isn't an amoralistic piece of shit?
Nelson Mandela maybe? :dunno:
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Is there even such a thing as a politician who makes it to the top that isn't an amoralistic piece of shit?
I don't think so. It is all a matter of acceptable or unacceptable degrees.
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Is there even such a thing as a politician who makes it to the top that isn't an amoralistic piece of shit?
Nelson Mandela maybe? :dunno:
He was a puppet of the Soviet Union an a staunch enemy of the West. He supported terrorist activities throughout the world.
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Is there even such a thing as a politician who makes it to the top that isn't an amoralistic piece of shit?
Doubtful. It's like marriage, you pick the amount of evil you can live with.
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Is there even such a thing as a politician who makes it to the top that isn't an amoralistic piece of shit?
Ghandi?
But that's an extremely rare event granted. You're fighting the principle of "scum rises" along with that of "power corrupts"
That's the most compelling argument in favour of anarchism IMO. If there isn't any top tier , no huge concentration of centralised power, then there's nowhere much for the scum to rise to. They'd have to settle for just lording it over their family. Not nice, but not near so destructive overall.
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PS Before you point out the obvious flaw- - it would have to be left wing Anarchism ofc , not that weird idea of capatliist Anarchism , or else the scum would just lord it over business empires :apondering:...much like they do already
Ok. That's the World put to rights now. I'll toddle off to some other thread :autism:
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Is there even such a thing as a politician who makes it to the top that isn't an amoralistic piece of shit?
Ghandi?
A racist with some pretty odd quirks.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wWRTpajz_xk
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PS Before you point out the obvious flaw- - it would have to be left wing Anarchism ofc
Please! That's just code for Marxism.
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PS Before you point out the obvious flaw- - it would have to be left wing Anarchism ofc , not that weird idea of capatliist Anarchism , or else the scum would just lord it over business empires :apondering:...much like they do already
Ok. That's the World put to rights now. I'll toddle off to some other thread :autism:
The phrase "left wing" does not make something automatically good and wholesome in the same way saying "right wing" does not make something bad. Of course, visa versa too. Neither political ideology is inherently more moral. It is like religion. It depends entirely on how fundamental and extreme and authoritarian the method of implementing the ideology. People get too caught up trying to promote their political preferred ideology as the bastion of moral principles and the other camp as being the bastion of evil whereby all the elements of that ideology are exaggerated (if not transformed to a perverted form) of fundamentalist authoritarianism.
The truth is that they are both as good and bad as each other.
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PS Before you point out the obvious flaw- - it would have to be left wing Anarchism ofc
Please! That's just code for Marxism.
Nope. Marxism and Anarchism are two different things...as my Marxist comrades reliably inform me :LOL:
Me I don't think Marxism can work without a good side-helping of Anarchism, and neither can Anarchism work without a good side-helping of Marxism. Besides, Marx himself comes across as very anti-authoritarian to me.
But what do I know? or you.?i'm sure neither of us can claim to be experts. I just think what I think . And I'm not willing to tow any party line, unless I'm thoroughly convinved of it's truth...well, aside from being willing to allow those who care very much about categorising and labelling thing have the last say regarding categories and labels
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PS Before you point out the obvious flaw- - it would have to be left wing Anarchism ofc , not that weird idea of capatliist Anarchism , or else the scum would just lord it over business empires :apondering:...much like they do already
Ok. That's the World put to rights now. I'll toddle off to some other thread :autism:
The phrase "left wing" does not make something automatically good and wholesome in the same way saying "right wing" does not make something bad. Of course, visa versa too. Neither political ideology is inherently more moral. It is like religion. It depends entirely on how fundamental and extreme and authoritarian the method of implementing the ideology. People get too caught up trying to promote their political preferred ideology as the bastion of moral principles and the other camp as being the bastion of evil whereby all the elements of that ideology are exaggerated (if not transformed to a perverted form) of fundamentalist authoritarianism.
The truth is that they are both as good and bad as each other.
Well I don't believe that anyone, is inherently "evil" , really. But I do very much believe that some forms of social systems will inevitatably screw people over in increasing numbers , to an increasing degree, untli they finally cause such an almighty train-wreck that they eventually die a natural death, along with much of the population. That's no more "evil" in intent than a hurricane, that's just the way it works. (and that's a paraphrase of Marx, ofc)
One very good friend of mine was a raving Tory . He had a "right-wing head, and a left wing-heart" I liked to say. I surely didn't hold his political views against him. But over the course of decades, that heart of his pulled him further and further to the left inch-by-inch. He had a big interest in economics, and he cared very much about people, not en masse, but on an individual level. He couldn't help but notice that quite a number of the people he cared about were being screwed over over by right-wing economics, even including himself towards the end.
I can't tell you his present view, because he's dead now. But that's the story as far as it goes.
I don't think that moral principles come into politics much at all, not on either side. Some people get much too hung-up on demonstratiiing that they, as an individual, are more moral than the next guy, bugger all the laws of cause and effect. It's enough to put a body off any ideology if they let it get under their skin.
Same as religion, like you say. But it doesn't follow that all ideologies are equally right, nor equally wrong.
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Is there even such a thing as a politician who makes it to the top that isn't an amoralistic piece of shit?
Ghandi?
A racist with some pretty odd quirks.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wWRTpajz_xk
Yep watched it , Scap, There's some really sad shit in there. And calling Ghandhi "Mahatma" is pretty damned silly, granted.
But it still looks to me he's somebody who fought for some very important values, and who managed not to be corrupted by success (which is surely not to say he was't already corrupt in some ways, just like the rest of we humans)
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Nope. Marxism and Anarchism are two different things...as my Marxist comrades reliably inform me :LOL:
They're either ignorant or lying to you. Marxism came out of the early anarchist movements of the mid 19th century. Carl Marx was an attendee of the First International.
Me I don't think Marxism can work without a good side-helping of Anarchism, and neither can Anarchism work without a good side-helping of Marxism.
You should've ended it there. Marxism has never worked, nor will it ever work, that's by design. It will always murder its own citizens and leave them destitute. You need to read Animal Farm.
Besides, Marx himself comes across as very anti-authoritarian to me.
Only if you take him at face value and don't see through the deceit of his philosophy. Mikhail Bakunin saw through the flaws in Marx's proposals and called him out on it.
But what do I know? or you.?i'm sure neither of us can claim to be experts.
No, but at least I'm educated on the subject, whereas you don't seem to have an understating of the history of Anarchism and Marxism.
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Nope. Marxism and Anarchism are two different things...as my Marxist comrades reliably inform me :LOL:
They're either ignorant or lying to you. Marxism came out of the early anarchist movements of the mid 19th century. Carl Marx was an attendee of the First International.
They're certainly not ignorant, and that's not a great argument. The First International was far from being an exclusively Anarchist thing.
Besides that, I think they're very careful to distance themselves from Anarchism. Looks like the schisms that developed during the Russian Revolution are still smouldering :(. Oh! And I dunno about the rest of the World, but here in Britain we still have people who think they're Anarchists just because they act like jerks, listen to Punk Rock and wear badass T-shirts :facepalm: Can't really blame them for wanting to dissociate from that.
Me I don't think Marxism can work without a good side-helping of Anarchism, and neither can Anarchism work without a good side-helping of Marxism.
You should've ended it there. Marxism has never worked, nor will it ever work, that's by design. It will always murder its own citizens and leave them destitute. You need to read Animal Farm.
I have. And it's a critique of Stalinism. Given that you're so very well read, I can't believe that you really think that Stalinism is the same thing as Marxism. ...especially nor coming from the stance that Marxism is the same thing as Anarchism. Was Stalin an Anarchist? :LOL:
Besides, Marx himself comes across as very anti-authoritarian to me.
Only if you take him at face value and don't see through the deceit of his philosophy. Mikhail Bakunin saw through the flaws in Marx's proposals and called him out on it.
But what do I know? or you.?i'm sure neither of us can claim to be experts.
No, but at least I'm educated on the subject, whereas you don't seem to have an understating of the history of Anarchism and Marxism.
Sadly you've done bugger-all convince me that your understanding of the history is anything to be admired. Which is a shame. I wouldn't mind learning from you, otherwise. Was your boast of being "educated on the subject" pure hot air ? or were you talking out of your arse for the lolz? (given I was taking the subject absurdly seriously , for this board, and this thread, as i readily confess!)
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Around here the right are normally the bible thumping, serious, childless pro lifers..."I never inhaled when I tried weed"...judgemental fucks that want to tell the rest how to live their lives.
"We worked hard, obeyed our parents, went to church every Sunday, and no one in our family ever turned out gay...and IF they did, they prayed real hard and were cured...or became celibate".
Their view of the left is akin to...that we are lazy godless, gay hippies getting stoned, drunk, and running naked in the moonlight laughing, and having too much sex.
I don't want to stereotype them, and I hope it's different elsewhere...unfortunately I am in a "religious right territory" and this seems to be about 85%.
I'm not saying one's totally right and the other's totally wrong...I'll just say that those with a board stuck up their ass need to mind their own, stop trying to "save" me, and keep off my lawn...they make my plants wilt.
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Is there even such a thing as a politician who makes it to the top that isn't an amoralistic piece of shit?
Nelson Mandela maybe? :dunno:
He was a puppet of the Soviet Union an a staunch enemy of the West. He supported terrorist activities throughout the world.
Does the name Joe Slovo mean anything to you?
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They're certainly not ignorant,
Then they're dishonest, possibly with themselves, trying to convince themselves of a coherent history that never happened but still dishonest. This is always the case with ideologues, they need a sanitized history.
The First International was far from being an exclusively Anarchist thing.
Of course not, it was a coalition of different groups, but in the first International Congress, they were the largest faction.
Besides that, I think they're very careful to distance themselves from Anarchism.
This was certainly the case at the end of the first International and the beginning of the second, Bakunin's faction was driven out by the Marxist faction. In the 21st century though, that history has been forgotten and many on the far left use both labels.
I have. And it's a critique of Stalinism. Given that you're so very well read, I can't believe that you really think that Stalinism is the same thing as Marxism. ...especially nor coming from the stance that Marxism is the same thing as Anarchism. Was Stalin an Anarchist? :LOL:
It was written as a critique of Stalinism but it can be equally applied to Maoism, Kimism or Castroism. The end result of Marxism is always the same. You have all the power of society concentrated in a few hands and if those people aren't ruthless scum, they will be stabbed in the back by people who are. Every communist regime has slaughtered millions of their own people and enslaved millions of others while driving the population into poverty. The ruling party in China realized this and began to allow some democracy and capitalism. Today their socio-economic system resembles that of Nazi Germany.
Sadly you've done bugger-all convince me that your understanding of the history is anything to be admired.
Well, you can lead a horse to water but you can't make them drink, lol!!
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You're employing a better quality of reasoning now, I'l give you that, Scrap.
It was written as a critique of Stalinism but it can be equally applied to Maoism, Kimism or Castroism. The end result of Marxism is always the same. You have all the power of society concentrated in a few hands and if those people aren't ruthless scum, they will be stabbed in the back by people who are. Every communist regime has slaughtered millions of their own people and enslaved millions of others while driving the population into poverty. The ruling party in China realized this and began to allow some democracy and capitalism. Today their socio-economic system resembles that of Nazi Germany.
In other words , Marxism can't work, because the real Marxists always get stabbed in the back by power-hungry bastards, and you end up with a dictactorship that mocks the original principles . Of course, that equally applies to Capitalist systems too. So long as have anything like the centalised power base, the scum will be fighting to get in the Big Chair. And because they're happy to fight dirty, the chances are that they'll win. That's precisely why I believe that Marxism needs to be backed up Anarchism. And then (given much time for the dust to settle., the lessons of experience to be learned, and the resulting Society tweakled accordingly ) we can begin to decide whether Marxism actually works or not.
Oh yes, and according to Marx the revolution needs to happen on a global scale. At what point in human history did that ever occur?
It's pretty damned premature to judge the matter at this stage of history.
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You're employing a better quality of reasoning now, I'l give you that, Scrap.
It was written as a critique of Stalinism but it can be equally applied to Maoism, Kimism or Castroism. The end result of Marxism is always the same. You have all the power of society concentrated in a few hands and if those people aren't ruthless scum, they will be stabbed in the back by people who are. Every communist regime has slaughtered millions of their own people and enslaved millions of others while driving the population into poverty. The ruling party in China realized this and began to allow some democracy and capitalism. Today their socio-economic system resembles that of Nazi Germany.
In other words , Marxism can't work, because the real Marxists always get stabbed in the back by power-hungry bastards, and you end up with a dictactorship that mocks the original principles . Of course, that equally applies to Capitalist systems too. So long as have anything like the centalised power base, the scum will be fighting to get in the Big Chair. And because they're happy to fight dirty, the chances are that they'll win. That's precisely why I believe that Marxism needs to be backed up Anarchism. And then (given much time for the dust to settle., the lessons of experience to be learned, and the resulting Society tweakled accordingly ) we can begin to decide whether Marxism actually works or not.
Oh yes, and according to Marx the revolution needs to happen on a global scale. At what point in human history did that ever occur?
It's pretty damned premature to judge the matter at this stage of history.
Nope. Marxism is unworkable. People will always be people. In the same way that you can never wipe out the thieves, racists, rapists, murderers and frauds in society, you can never suppress the collective's urges and desires from preventing any implementation of Marxism to become at very best a perversion of itself and an abject failure at worse. I will add that Marxism is not a beautiful thing too nor even something to necessarily aspire to. Even without becoming a perversion, it is not something I would want for the world.
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In other words , Marxism can't work, because the real Marxists always get stabbed in the back by power-hungry bastards, and you end up with a dictactorship that mocks the original principles .
No, the power hungry bastards ARE the real Marxists. The naïve idealists are nothing more than useful idiots who get lined up and shot after they help destroy the old system. The writings of Marx are a clever lie designed to trick gullible people into doing the dirty work of those who understand what the true doctrine is.
Of course, that equally applies to Capitalist systems too. So long as
have anything like the centalised power base, the scum will be fighting to get in the Big Chair.
No it doesn't. Capitalism doesn't concentrate nearly as much money and power into one place, especially in its beginnings. The concentration of power and money takes a couple of centuries to happen in a capitalist democracy where under communism, it happens in less than a single generation. Not to mention that under capitalism, the average person still has an ok life. Under communism, they are on the edge of starvation.
And because they're happy to fight dirty, the chances are that they'll win. That's precisely why I believe that Marxism needs to be backed up Anarchism.
Marxists never share power, that's contrary to the doctrine. They will line up the anarchists against the wall and shoot them 100% of the time.
And then (given much time for the dust to settle., the lessons of experience to be learned, and the resulting Society tweakled accordingly ) we can begin to decide whether Marxism actually works or not.
Well over 100 million people have died and hundreds of millions have starved and been imprisoned in this Marxist experiment so far, which has had a 100% failure rate. Just how many more millions of people are you willing to slaughter before we should give up on this experiment?? You have to be a fucking sociopath to want this.
Oh yes, and according to Marx the revolution needs to happen on a global scale. At what point in human history did that ever occur?
Thankfully never. we would end up with a global dictatorship that would prove to be the most bloody government in world history.
It's pretty damned premature to judge the matter at this stage of history.
Again, over 100 years of trying and failure and more than 100 million dead. How many more innocent people are you morally ok with slaughtering and torturing before you give up??
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Walkie, you should read the Gulag Archipelago by Alexandr Solzhenitsyn. It tells the murderous nature of Marxism in explicit detail from people who survived it.
Here's a video of Jordan Peterson debunking the "not true communism" argument.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OlB_xNOAn1c
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You're employing a better quality of reasoning now, I'l give you that, Scrap.
It was written as a critique of Stalinism but it can be equally applied to Maoism, Kimism or Castroism. The end result of Marxism is always the same. You have all the power of society concentrated in a few hands and if those people aren't ruthless scum, they will be stabbed in the back by people who are. Every communist regime has slaughtered millions of their own people and enslaved millions of others while driving the population into poverty. The ruling party in China realized this and began to allow some democracy and capitalism. Today their socio-economic system resembles that of Nazi Germany.
In other words , Marxism can't work, because the real Marxists always get stabbed in the back by power-hungry bastards, and you end up with a dictactorship that mocks the original principles . Of course, that equally applies to Capitalist systems too. So long as have anything like the centalised power base, the scum will be fighting to get in the Big Chair. And because they're happy to fight dirty, the chances are that they'll win. That's precisely why I believe that Marxism needs to be backed up Anarchism. And then (given much time for the dust to settle., the lessons of experience to be learned, and the resulting Society tweakled accordingly ) we can begin to decide whether Marxism actually works or not.
Oh yes, and according to Marx the revolution needs to happen on a global scale. At what point in human history did that ever occur?
It's pretty damned premature to judge the matter at this stage of history.
Nope. Marxism is unworkable. People will always be people. In the same way that you can never wipe out the thieves, racists, rapists, murderers and frauds in society, you can never suppress the collective's urges and desires from preventing any implementation of Marxism to become at very best a perversion of itself and an abject failure at worse. I will add that Marxism is not a beautiful thing too nor even something to necessarily aspire to. Even without becoming a perversion, it is not something I would want for the world.
Lots of words, then, but no real argument. You're such an imbecile.
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You're employing a better quality of reasoning now, I'l give you that, Scrap.
It was written as a critique of Stalinism but it can be equally applied to Maoism, Kimism or Castroism. The end result of Marxism is always the same. You have all the power of society concentrated in a few hands and if those people aren't ruthless scum, they will be stabbed in the back by people who are. Every communist regime has slaughtered millions of their own people and enslaved millions of others while driving the population into poverty. The ruling party in China realized this and began to allow some democracy and capitalism. Today their socio-economic system resembles that of Nazi Germany.
In other words , Marxism can't work, because the real Marxists always get stabbed in the back by power-hungry bastards, and you end up with a dictactorship that mocks the original principles . Of course, that equally applies to Capitalist systems too. So long as have anything like the centalised power base, the scum will be fighting to get in the Big Chair. And because they're happy to fight dirty, the chances are that they'll win. That's precisely why I believe that Marxism needs to be backed up Anarchism. And then (given much time for the dust to settle., the lessons of experience to be learned, and the resulting Society tweakled accordingly ) we can begin to decide whether Marxism actually works or not.
Oh yes, and according to Marx the revolution needs to happen on a global scale. At what point in human history did that ever occur?
It's pretty damned premature to judge the matter at this stage of history.
Nope. Marxism is unworkable. People will always be people. In the same way that you can never wipe out the thieves, racists, rapists, murderers and frauds in society, you can never suppress the collective's urges and desires from preventing any implementation of Marxism to become at very best a perversion of itself and an abject failure at worse. I will add that Marxism is not a beautiful thing too nor even something to necessarily aspire to. Even without becoming a perversion, it is not something I would want for the world.
Lots of words, then, but no real argument. You're such an imbecile.
What exactly do you disagree with? Which words?
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Lots of words, then, but no real argument. You're such an imbecile.
Have you been masturbating to Michel Foucault again??
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Somebody a few pages back said maybe trump should seek asylum somewhere.
Wrong. He should be put in one, whether he seeks it or otherwise, in a straitjacket, because this empty-headed, cretinous pillock is a threat to the US, and to the rest of the world. I was apalled at bush and his pet snake, tony bliar (spelling intentional), bush was a fucking moron but its pretty shocking a piece of utter shite like this could ever be allowed to take power; he is a boneheaded, brainless ebarrassment and a menace to world peace)
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https://www.news.com.au/finance/work/leaders/donald-trump-boards-air-force-one-with-toilet-paper-stuck-to-his-shoe/news-story/f4bbdb14e39991a61b8373698e6c7976
Trump boards Air Force One. With toilet paper stuck to his shoe.
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Small picture - a bit of paper on a mans's shoe.
Big picture - the shoes are stepping to board Air Force One.
Best to think small, Right Comrades?
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I wonder what else he stepped on while at the loo? :zoinks:
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Kind of looks like a stray napkin to me. Do you think that our president actually eats food in his Secret Service security caravan? Surely NOT! NO one would even think of doing that. This is serious!
This could be further evidence of collusion. I have this fear that our president may be colluding with food while he travels. This HAS to be looked at further. We need an FBI investigation.
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Kind of looks like a stray napkin to me. Do you think that our president actually eats food in his Secret Service security caravan? Surely NOT! NO one would even think of doing that. This is serious!
This could be further evidence of collusion. I have this fear that our president may be colluding with food while he travels. This HAS to be looked at further. We need an FBI investigation.
Its so important!
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Yeah, but the Executive branch, being like the whole boss and shit, might just limit the scope of the investigation. We HAVE to know what this is!
:fish2:
Maybe we have enough now to impeach Trump.
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Trump’s combover should be impeached.
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Yeah, but the Executive branch, being like the whole boss and shit, might just limit the scope of the investigation. We HAVE to know what this is!
:fish2:
Maybe we have enough now to impeach Trump.
Unless the Democrats take both houses by a comfortable margin, I highly doubt Trump will be impeached.
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Kind of looks like a stray napkin to me. Do you think that our president actually eats food in his Secret Service security caravan?
Maybe he craps in the caravan too, and it's toilet paper. :zoinks:
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Yeah, but the Executive branch, being like the whole boss and shit, might just limit the scope of the investigation. We HAVE to know what this is!
:fish2:
Maybe we have enough now to impeach Trump.
Unless the Democrats take both houses by a comfortable margin, I highly doubt Trump will be impeached.
Correct
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We'll see.
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We'll see.
Correct
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Kind of looks like a stray napkin to me. Do you think that our president actually eats food in his Secret Service security caravan?
Maybe he craps in the caravan too, and it's toilet paper. :zoinks:
:GA:
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Trump’s combover should be impeached.
Yeah, I want to do the "Jim Carey playing The Grinch" thing and just buzz it off in one stroke, "Some body's FABULOUS!!"
:2thumbsup:
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We'll see.
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STOP THE PRESSES! HEAR YE! HEAR YE! YE GODS AND LITTLE FISHES! THE WORLD IS COMING TO AN END!
Al and odeon agree with each other about something!!!!!
Who knew Trump would be our savior?
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Kind of looks like a stray napkin to me. Do you think that our president actually eats food in his Secret Service security caravan?
Maybe he craps in the caravan too, and it's toilet paper. :zoinks:
:GA:
If I ever have my own bullet proof limousine, it will definitely have a crapper in it and loads of toilet paper. :zoinks:
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Here's a picture of President Trump's mom. The hair doesn't fall far from the hair tree. :zoinks:
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C1idGQiWEAAxSoY.jpg)
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Kind of looks like a stray napkin to me. Do you think that our president actually eats food in his Secret Service security caravan?
Maybe he craps in the caravan too, and it's toilet paper. :zoinks:
:GA:
If I ever have my own bullet proof limousine, it will definitely have a crapper in it and loads of toilet paper. :zoinks:
Why the fuck would you need toilet paper? OH! Are you ramping up, now?
Maybe some random grass as well?
Just make sure you get my grass back where you found it.
:autism:
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Why the fuck would you need toilet paper?
I don't know. I just know I need a lot of it. :zoinks:
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Who the HELL is picking out these outfits for her?
WTF.
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I think she has fun taste in clothes.
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There is that, but does she have a brain?
Can she do more than make it impossible for a teen to access a vending machine at school as her predecessor did?
The fall out from the horrid last 1st lady is still making life miserable for those with kids.
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There is that, but does she have a brain?
Can she do more than make it impossible for a teen to access a vending machine at school as her predecessor did?
The fall out from the horrid last 1st lady is still making life miserable for those with kids.
I think she has more brains than her husband. :laugh:
Poor taste in men, strange taste in clothes, but dumb...no.
I really don't look for her to make too many waves if any.
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There is that, but does she have a brain?
Can she do more than make it impossible for a teen to access a vending machine at school as her predecessor did?
The fall out from the horrid last 1st lady is still making life miserable for those with kids.
I think she has more brains than her husband. :laugh:
Poor taste in men, strange taste in clothes, but dumb...no.
I really don't look for her to make too many waves if any.
I get the impression that she had a pretty good life as a trophy wife, plenty of money and a husband who she didn't like much who largely left her to her own devices while he was out grabbing women by the pussy. Or shagging unattractive porn stars.
Does she like being First Lady? I get the distinct impression that she loathes the role.
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Who the HELL is picking out these outfits for her?
Most women in Egypt practice some sort of veiling, so our first lady dressing like a man was possibly very intentional and more than a fashion statement. :orly:
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Who the HELL is picking out these outfits for her?
Most women in Egypt practice some sort of veiling, so our first lady dressing like a man was possibly very intentional and more than a fashion statement. :orly:
Making a cultural or political statement with your wardrobe choice is always an option when you have a large enough personal security detachment to conduct a small war.
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Who the HELL is picking out these outfits for her?
Most women in Egypt practice some sort of veiling, so our first lady dressing like a man was possibly very intentional and more than a fashion statement. :orly:
Making a cultural or political statement with your wardrobe choice is always an option when you have a large enough personal security detachment to conduct a small war.
Yeah, I know. That reality is why it's grand she did it. :thumbup:
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The seemingly perpetual groupthink circle jerk, not just here, but offline is irritating. You are all hypocrites! You brag about trolling trump while whining about him trolling. He’s an old man who is in his 70’s. Show some decency. You want to know something? I had racist Trump haters call me RACIAL SLURS for having a different opinion. They are the biggest most transparent hypocrites, ever. All they do is drone on with the same tired platitudes they learned from social engineering. My psychotic mother never shuts up how Trump is the devil incarnate. You have all lost your ability to think critically. But let’s just add snark and act like trolls while “not” being trolls. Because that isn’t at all crazy or anything. You are all lemmings.
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Trump must be a shapeshifter. Look how he’s taller than Putin here. As
if height makes a man. We all know it’s penis size and girth that matters most. :D
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Trump is taller than Putin.
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There is no way in the entire world history that this could possibly just be a case of a flattering photo of Barrack and an unflattering one of Trump, right?
Equally you are not asking a rhetorical question to a disingenuous question, right?
I mean you arent dishonestly virtue signaling, are you?
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When Trump and Putin are together, Trump is usually shorter. Being on your knees cuts more than a foot off your standing height.
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When Trump and Putin are together, Trump is usually shorter. Being on your knees cuts more than a foot off your standing height.
Trump just wants Putin to feel like one of the big boys! :P
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This explains a lot on Trump’s behavior. He’s been showing signs of getting psychic attacks.
Is It OK to Hex a Nazi? How Anti-Fascist Witches Are Mobilizing Under Trump (https://broadly.vice.com/en_us/article/j5eppk/is-it-ok-to-hex-a-nazi-how-anti-fascist-witches-are-mobilizing-under-trump)
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When Trump and Putin are together, Trump is usually shorter. Being on your knees cuts more than a foot off your standing height.
Trump just wants Putin to feel like one of the big boys! :P
Well as Trump grips Putin's sausage in those tiny doll hands, I'll bet he feels like a very big boy.
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Even if there WERE such a thing as psychics, it wouldn't do much good to aim any sort of mental-based power at trump. You might as well try to try to teach a house brick to play the violin, as try to affect trump's mind.
He'd have to HAVE one, first. whilst he might be able to move around, and navigate around obstacles, so can the most advanced jellyfish (Chironex, box jellyfish, unlike most jellyfish, are active hunters, and have eyes, of several types, one of them thought to be capable of actually forming images, rather than simply distinguishing between light and dark, although we have no idea what they perceive, from a sea-wasp's eye view, so to speak given they have a very simplistic nervous system, with no brain whatsoever)
Not too different from trump-a spineless, toxic little blob which lacks a brain and is extremely dangerous to everybody around him.
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When Trump and Putin are together, Trump is usually shorter. Being on your knees cuts more than a foot off your standing height.
Why on Earth would Trump be on his knees around Putin?
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I get it because Reek sanctioned Ramsay
Reek armed Ramsay's enemies
Reek increased got his allies to contribute more monet to defence again Ramsay, Reek dispelled 120 of Ramsay's diplomats.
Your meme is poor and out of touch
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When Trump and Putin are together, Trump is usually shorter. Being on your knees cuts more than a foot off your standing height.
Why on Earth would Trump be on his kbees around Putin?
So that Putin can rest his beer on Trump's head. Although Trump's kbees must get sore after a while.
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HAHA that REALLY got misread when I saw that.
I assumed it was implying that he was sucking putin off :P
Eww..what a revolting thought.
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When Trump and Putin are together, Trump is usually shorter. Being on your knees cuts more than a foot off your standing height.
Why on Earth would Trump be on his kbees around Putin?
So that Putin can rest his beer on Trump's head. Although Trump's kbees must get sore after a while.
What would Trump be letting Trump rest a beer on his head for AGAIN in context of the fact that Trump armed Ukraine against Russia, Bomb Russia's allies, got NATO to contribute more, placed sanctions on Russia, argued against European countries making secret energy deals with Russia and sending 120 diplomats from America.
Oh I get it, he wouldn't and Obama who did nothing to stop the so called Russian interference in the elections whilst he was President and who sent blankets not javelin missiles (as Trump did) to Ukraine when they were getting invaded by Russia, got a nice free pass from him. You paint Trump as weak towards Putin where the above makes it clear to any intelligent person that he is not a friend or puppet or sycophant to Putin.
So why do you infer exactly this? Must be a reason.
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When Trump and Putin are together, Trump is usually shorter. Being on your knees cuts more than a foot off your standing height.
Why on Earth would Trump be on his kbees around Putin?
So that Putin can rest his beer on Trump's head. Although Trump's kbees must get sore after a while.
If master needs to place his beer somewhere, Reek will have to comply.
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If master needs to place his beer somewhere, Reek will have to comply.
What would Trump be letting Trump rest a beer on his head for AGAIN in context of the fact that Trump armed Ukraine against Russia, Bomb Russia's allies, got NATO to contribute more, placed sanctions on Russia, argued against European countries making secret energy deals with Russia and sending 120 diplomats from America.
Oh I get it, he wouldn't and Obama who did nothing to stop the so called Russian interference in the elections whilst he was President and who sent blankets not javelin missiles (as Trump did) to Ukraine when they were getting invaded by Russia, got a nice free pass from him. You paint Trump as weak towards Putin where the above makes it clear to any intelligent person that he is not a friend or puppet or sycophant to Putin.
So why do you infer exactly this? Must be a reason.
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Reek has friend.
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Fantasies are free, huh?
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Somehow I missed that one. :laugh:
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You know the funny thing is that there are people that stupid, they believe this to be true.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N_aDOILOgkg
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1AJrKvoeE-M
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https://www.redbubble.com/people/divdesigns/works/32823772-trump-and-putin?finish=gloss&p=metal-print&size=x_small
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:laugh: Love it.
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$83.50 seems like a great price, but I'd have nowhere to hang it.
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I was thinking on your desk.
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Or on my bedside table, so that it's the first thing I see when I wake up in the morning.
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I'd want to participate in the Bird Box Challenge.
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https://twitter.com/PaulLeeTicks/status/1084971028307013632
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Two observations
1). The PR has a mental age of a 9 year old and the emotional age of a six year old. It's probably pretty much like living with Donald.
2) Based on what's going on I'm not sure I'd call him conditioning.
Edited to add - does that make me The First Mommy? And HELL NO, I will not spank him and send him to bed without his Big Mac. I'll send in the Marines to do that.
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He's a Con-man. How do I know this? Look at his his own words, Gaslighting.
He won't finish out the year without having to resign
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He's a Con-man. How do I know this? Look at his his own words, Gaslighting.
He won't finish out the year without having to resign
Bet you 1 internetz he does. Everyone has been saying "he won't last...." and he always easily makes it past those deadlines
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https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2019/jan/21/donald-trump-lies-factcheckers
Holy smoke, Trump said 1,200 false or misleading things in October 2018 alone!!!!
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https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2019/jan/21/donald-trump-lies-factcheckers
Holy smoke, Trump said 1,200 false or misleading things in October 2018 alone!!!!
Are the fact checkers all accurate? If so what percentage are NOT biased? https://www.newsbusters.org/fact-checkers
Don't pretend that anyone here is stupid enough to believe that just because a fact checker says something is a fact that it is a fact
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Don't you think an independent site would be a better first step to check the fact-checkers?
In the meanwhile:
https://www.npr.org/2018/09/12/646708799/fact-check-who-gets-credit-for-the-booming-u-s-economy
https://www.factcheck.org/person/donald-trump/
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FBI arresting Trump associate Roger Stone this morning...
I could watch this alllll day looonnng.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dWTzCNY7_YY
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Don't you think an independent site would be a better first step to check the fact-checkers?
In the meanwhile:
https://www.npr.org/2018/09/12/646708799/fact-check-who-gets-credit-for-the-booming-u-s-economy
https://www.factcheck.org/person/donald-trump/
Depends as to what is independent. I have been told Factcheck.org was independent:
So I looked into FactCheck.org. Definitely left leaning and tied to Obama through https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chicago_Annenberg_Challenge of which he is a board member
Other organizations and programs of the Foundation
Annenberg Challenge: In 1993, the largest gift to public education was made by Ambassador Walter Annenberg, a $500 million grant named the Annenberg Challenge. The grant was designed to unite the resources throughout the United States and ideas of those committed to increasing the effectiveness of public schooling. Recognizing that no single gift could improve all schools, the Challenge served as a catalyst to energize and support educational reform efforts across the country.
Annenberg Institute for School Reform at Brown University: AISR was established at Brown University in 1993 through an anonymous gift of $5 million. Several months later, a $50-million gift – part of Ambassador Walter H. Annenberg's $500-million Challenge to the Nation to improve public education in America – enabled the fledgling Institute to expand the scope of its work. In appreciation of the Ambassador's gift, AISR was renamed in his honor. AISR adopted its current mission in 1998: “To develop, share, and act on knowledge that improves the conditions and outcomes of schooling in America, especially in urban communities and in schools serving disadvantaged children.“
The Annenberg Public Policy Center of the University of Pennsylvania: The Annenberg Public Policy Center of the University of Pennsylvania developed FactCheck.org. Factcheck.org monitors the factual accuracy of what is said by major U.S. political players in the form of TV ads, debates, speeches, interviews and news releases.
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I’m a super genius and I’m marrying Lucifer. I’m an angel now. I’m about to die. I’m sorry. Please don’t get left behind.
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I’m a super genius and I’m marrying Lucifer. I’m an angel now. I’m about to die. I’m sorry. Please don’t get left behind.
I can recommend that you wear comfortable shoes.
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I’m a super genius and I’m marrying Lucifer. I’m an angel now. I’m about to die. I’m sorry. Please don’t get left behind.
I can recommend that you wear comfortable shoes.
Gravity is very dense in this area. My head hurts like LRAD. No more lrad. Lrad bad bad.
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The retard blinked and now people can get their paychecks. Stone got indicted. All in all, yesterday was quite entertaining. :2thumbsup:
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I was hungry.
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How has she won?
Before you answer :
1) Trump is now seen as the person who was prepared to negotiate for concessions in return for the border wall. She was not.
2) Pelosi in missing this opportunity has cut off options for DACA and TPS illegal immigrants.
3) It has also robbed her Fellow House Senators of real opportunities to get real results for the first 2 weeks of their 104 week term.
4) Trump will now wait 3 weeks before declaring National Emergency at the border and going for $7 Billion (that is a 40% increase) WITH NO concessions.
5) If he does this then she will be seen as someone who missed some great opportunities and opportunities for her fellow House members and allowed Trump to build 40% more wall all to snub him.
6) there are a number of Democrats who have already broken ranks with her over this (to be fair there are about half the same number of Republicans who have broken ranks from Donald Trump too).
It would be idiotic to say she has won.
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The orange moron had a really rotten day yesterday. I love it how his fans now try to twist what happened to make it sound like a win, somehow.
:hahaha:
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The orange moron had a really rotten day yesterday. I love it how his fans now try to twist what happened to make it sound like a win, somehow.
:hahaha:
You'd probably have to rationally speak to how it was rotten first. I don't think you can. The is not on Trump's fan but rather on you for pushing a silly narrative
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kdWjNvhlcX8
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kdWjNvhlcX8
Wow one does not walk like the other. That is amazing!
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At the end of a disastrous day, one Trump adviser told CNN's Jim Acosta, "The White House is walking in a valley tonight." (https://edition.cnn.com/2019/01/26/politics/trump-presidency-tough-day-shutdown-wall-roger-stone-mueller-investigation/index.html)
Oh, and
"We will not Cave!" Trump had tweeted on Wednesday, two days before doing exactly that, on the very terms Democrats had demanded.
:hahaha:
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At the end of a disastrous day, one Trump adviser told CNN's Jim Acosta, "The White House is walking in a valley tonight." (https://edition.cnn.com/2019/01/26/politics/trump-presidency-tough-day-shutdown-wall-roger-stone-mueller-investigation/index.html)
Oh, and
"We will not Cave!" Trump had tweeted on Wednesday, two days before doing exactly that, on the very terms Democrats had demanded.
:hahaha:
I son't think he will cave either I think he will keep pushing for the wall and will get it. In fact I firmly believe he will offer a few concessions on DACA and TPS again, in return for $5 Billion wall funding and the Democrats will resist. Still he won't cave. He will then say "Fuck you all, you are impossible, I will just declare it an emergency and get more funding with no concessions for you and you all can suck my dick"
He opened up government (did not cave) for exactly three reasons:
One is he wanted to be seen as the reasonable one, whilst he took responsibility for the shutdown he was not getting results from the Dems and pushed things about as far as he could with making Pelosi look bad amoung her fellow Dems - now they will see if she is serious about the "Holding the government hostage" narrative (she isn't);
Secondly Some government employees have missed two cheques - any longer and even the government workers who were supporting Trump doing this will have been removing support. Even as a partial shutdown it was starting to become a bigger issue;
Thirdly, Going the national emergency will become an easier path even if it does get litigated and he will be able to get get more funds for the border and rightly put this all on Pelosi and Schumer - "Well its a shame Pelosi, I would have liked just teh $5 billion an dwould have negotiated some concessions for that but now you get no concessions and I will just get $7 billion as my $5 billion was on the low side. Everyone else, you can blame Pelosi for not championing your DACA and lapsing TPS status, not me, I gave her every chance to make this deal"
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What's really funny is that he now accepted a deal that was worse than the one he was offered before he decided to shut down the government. Another difference, of course, is that his approval ratings took a serious hit without any benefit whatsoever.
Mr Art of the Deal really sucks at this deal-making thing. :hahaha:
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Trump pisses all the right people off. A fine President in my book.
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What's really funny is that he now accepted a deal that was worse than the one he was offered before he decided to shut down the government. Another difference, of course, is that his approval ratings took a serious hit without any benefit whatsoever.
Mr Art of the Deal really sucks at this deal-making thing. :hahaha:
A fucking idiot would think so. You do, for example.
He is in the best position he could be in given that he owned the shutdown.
He owned the shutdown. THAT was stupid. Or at the very least it was poorly thought out. The polls reflect this. HOWEVER considering this he DID give the Democrats all the opportunities to get something for his $5 billion wall.
Now he has stopped the shutdown he owned. He will give three weeks and work through that. However this time he is not locked into a shutdown he is responsible for and IF the Democrats do not come to the party, then that is not on him and HE can say "Well you do not care enough to get some concessions for DACA and TPS, but instead I will stop negotiating for $5 billion and instead get $7 billion border funds from National Emergency with no concessions, thank Pelosi for that. Too late for negotiation now".
This is a REALLY strong position. It also means that going forward the Dems who were wanting to work with Trump, and were interested in getting some positive results for illegal immigrants attributed to their time in their two year term, only to find Pelosi wanted to be tough on him. The result of this LIKELY will be he gets 40% more wall and they get 0% of concessions.
It also means that Trump will not be blamed for HAVING to get National Emergency Funds as he gave Pelosi every chance to fix this.
Great position to be in.
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It would have been fun to watch Trump declare a national emergency and then lose in court, but I guess there is still time. This way, the 800,000 people he let down for his vanity project will get paid before he is humiliated again.
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:rofl:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z9BRaRDJ2Ow
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It would have been fun to watch Trump declare a national emergency and then lose in court, but I guess there is still time. This way, the 800,000 people he let down for his vanity project will get paid before he is humiliated again.
Which courts and under what laws? No?
There are 4 Liberal judges in the Supreme Court and one of them is fucked up and probably going to retire or die. There is 4 constitutionalist voters who WILL vote than Trump has the right to use emergency funds, and one Swing Republican John Roberts who is likely to vote with his fellow Republicans. If Trump can replace RBG, game over.
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https://abovethelaw.com/2019/01/national-emergency-is-stupid-illegal/
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https://abovethelaw.com/2019/01/national-emergency-is-stupid-illegal/
What does article 2 of the constitution allow for the President to do in respect to National Emergencies?
What does the National emergencies act 1976 allow?
How many BILLIONS of dollars are not obligated but are appropriated by the Department of Defence budget?
Is he the executive authority allowed to call National Emergencies and without congressional approval be able to use such funds that are not obligated from Government budgets to fund such National Emergencies?
How much does he need to fund the wall? How much is appropriated but not obligated and is this more than enough to fund the wall? Does he HAVE o seek congressional approval? Does he need to provide provisions or concessions?
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Am I the only one who finds Barack Obama handsome?
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Am I the only one who finds Barack Obama handsome?
Can't say he does it for me
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Am I the only one who finds Barack Obama handsome?
Nope, me too. I also found him far more "real".
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https://abovethelaw.com/2019/01/national-emergency-is-stupid-illegal/
What does article 2 of the constitution allow for the President to do in respect to National Emergencies?
What does the National emergencies act 1976 allow?
How many BILLIONS of dollars are not obligated but are appropriated by the Department of Defence budget?
Is he the executive authority allowed to call National Emergencies and without congressional approval be able to use such funds that are not obligated from Government budgets to fund such National Emergencies?
How much does he need to fund the wall? How much is appropriated but not obligated and is this more than enough to fund the wall? Does he HAVE o seek congressional approval? Does he need to provide provisions or concessions?
Did you read the article? Do you need someone to explain it to you?
Sorry, you're on your own. Flash your MAGA cap, though. I'm sure you'll find others just as confused as you are.
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https://abovethelaw.com/2019/01/national-emergency-is-stupid-illegal/
What does article 2 of the constitution allow for the President to do in respect to National Emergencies?
What does the National emergencies act 1976 allow?
How many BILLIONS of dollars are not obligated but are appropriated by the Department of Defence budget?
Is he the executive authority allowed to call National Emergencies and without congressional approval be able to use such funds that are not obligated from Government budgets to fund such National Emergencies?
How much does he need to fund the wall? How much is appropriated but not obligated and is this more than enough to fund the wall? Does he HAVE o seek congressional approval? Does he need to provide provisions or concessions?
Did you read the article? Do you need someone to explain it to you?
Sorry, you're on your own. Flash your MAGA cap, though. I'm sure you'll find others just as confused as you are.
Nope i didn't. Cry a waterfall
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https://abovethelaw.com/2019/01/national-emergency-is-stupid-illegal/
What does article 2 of the constitution allow for the President to do in respect to National Emergencies?
What does the National emergencies act 1976 allow?
How many BILLIONS of dollars are not obligated but are appropriated by the Department of Defence budget?
Is he the executive authority allowed to call National Emergencies and without congressional approval be able to use such funds that are not obligated from Government budgets to fund such National Emergencies?
How much does he need to fund the wall? How much is appropriated but not obligated and is this more than enough to fund the wall? Does he HAVE o seek congressional approval? Does he need to provide provisions or concessions?
Did you read the article? Do you need someone to explain it to you?
Sorry, you're on your own. Flash your MAGA cap, though. I'm sure you'll find others just as confused as you are.
Nope i didn't. Cry a waterfall
I was being polite. Your response gave it away, you know.
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https://abovethelaw.com/2019/01/national-emergency-is-stupid-illegal/
What does article 2 of the constitution allow for the President to do in respect to National Emergencies?
What does the National emergencies act 1976 allow?
How many BILLIONS of dollars are not obligated but are appropriated by the Department of Defence budget?
Is he the executive authority allowed to call National Emergencies and without congressional approval be able to use such funds that are not obligated from Government budgets to fund such National Emergencies?
How much does he need to fund the wall? How much is appropriated but not obligated and is this more than enough to fund the wall? Does he HAVE o seek congressional approval? Does he need to provide provisions or concessions?
Did you read the article? Do you need someone to explain it to you?
Sorry, you're on your own. Flash your MAGA cap, though. I'm sure you'll find others just as confused as you are.
Nope i didn't. Cry a waterfall
I was being polite. Your response gave it away, you know.
Yes, I have often said "That Odeon is so polite a complete fuckwit"
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Again, grab that MAGA cap and try to live with yourself.
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In terms of people who claimed that Trump touched women inappropriately?
Well one of them is still POTUS
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Looking forward to the congress hearings. ;D
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In terms of people who claimed that Trump touched women inappropriately?
Well one of them is still POTUS
Except it isn't. Is it? "They would let you do anything...grab them by the pussy" does not say "I grabbed them by the pussy" it says "If one were to want to grab them by the pussy, they would be okay with that".
So is one of them still POTUS?
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Dumb prick. Adding new words to what Trump actually said to support your non-existent case. He said "when you're a star they let you do it....".
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Dumb prick. Adding new words to what Trump actually said to support your non-existent case. He said "when you're a star they let you do it....".
Idiot. When you are a star they let you do it =/= i do it. It does mean if i wanted to and they considered me a star, they would let me.
Again you said and one of them was POTUS. Is that the truth or are you making it up?
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Ah, now we're just putting a generous pro-Trump spin on Trump's words instead of making stuff up. I guess that's a start.
You're so far up Trump's arse you have to tie a rope around your ankles.
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Ah, now we're just putting a generous pro-Trump spin on Trump's words instead of making stuff up. I guess that's a start.
You're so far up Trump's arse you have to tie a rope around your ankles.
You are not in a position to get a vantage point about what what i am or am not doing because you are up Odeon's arse. You better wiggle around and make some room because I think IceQueen wants in
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Ah, now we're just putting a generous pro-Trump spin on Trump's words instead of making stuff up. I guess that's a start.
You're so far up Trump's arse you have to tie a rope around your ankles.
You are not in a position to get a vantage point about what what i am or am not doing because you are up Odeon's arse. You better wiggle around and make some room because I think IceQueen wants in
Tickle me some more Al. That always gets me wiggling.
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Ah, now we're just putting a generous pro-Trump spin on Trump's words instead of making stuff up. I guess that's a start.
You're so far up Trump's arse you have to tie a rope around your ankles.
You are not in a position to get a vantage point about what what i am or am not doing because you are up Odeon's arse. You better wiggle around and make some room because I think IceQueen wants in
(https://i.imgur.com/vcKnAEa.jpg)
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In terms of people who claimed that Trump touched women inappropriately?
Well one of them is still POTUS
Except it isn't. Is it? "They would let you do anything...grab them by the pussy" does not say "I grabbed them by the pussy" it says "If one were to want to grab them by the pussy, they would be okay with that".
So is one of them still POTUS?
Yes.
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Dumb prick. Adding new words to what Trump actually said to support your non-existent case. He said "when you're a star they let you do it....".
Idiot. When you are a star they let you do it =/= i do it. It does mean if i wanted to and they considered me a star, they would let me.
Again you said and one of them was POTUS. Is that the truth or are you making it up?
"When you're a star they let you do it."
Trump: "Yeah that's her with the gold. I better use some Tic Tacs just in case I start kissing her. You know I'm automatically attracted to beautiful... I just start kissing them. It's like a magnet. Just kiss. I don't even wait. And when you're a star they let you do it. You can do anything."
Yeah, go ahead and tell us that he didn't, that it's just locker room talk. How naïve can you get?
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TJlpS4vhKP0
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If this country goes downhill it's the fault of the idiots that placed the "supreme orange man" in his position.
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I saw this on Facebook, thought I'd copy and paste it here:
Someone asked "Why do some British people not like Donald Trump?"
Nate White, an articulate and witty writer from England, wrote this magnificent response:
"A few things spring to mind.
Trump lacks certain qualities which the British traditionally esteem.
For instance, he has no class, no charm, no coolness, no credibility, no compassion, no wit, no warmth, no wisdom, no subtlety, no sensitivity, no self-awareness, no humility, no honour and no grace - all qualities, funnily enough, with which his predecessor Mr. Obama was generously blessed.
So for us, the stark contrast does rather throw Trump’s limitations into embarrassingly sharp relief.
Plus, we like a laugh. And while Trump may be laughable, he has never once said anything wry, witty or even faintly amusing - not once, ever.
I don’t say that rhetorically, I mean it quite literally: not once, not ever. And that fact is particularly disturbing to the British sensibility - for us, to lack humour is almost inhuman.
But with Trump, it’s a fact. He doesn’t even seem to understand what a joke is - his idea of a joke is a crass comment, an illiterate insult, a casual act of cruelty.
Trump is a troll. And like all trolls, he is never funny and he never laughs; he only crows or jeers.
And scarily, he doesn’t just talk in crude, witless insults - he actually thinks in them. His mind is a simple bot-like algorithm of petty prejudices and knee-jerk nastiness.
There is never any under-layer of irony, complexity, nuance or depth. It’s all surface.
Some Americans might see this as refreshingly upfront.
Well, we don’t. We see it as having no inner world, no soul.
And in Britain we traditionally side with David, not Goliath. All our heroes are plucky underdogs: Robin Hood, Dick Whittington, Oliver Twist.
Trump is neither plucky, nor an underdog. He is the exact opposite of that.
He’s not even a spoiled rich-boy, or a greedy fat-cat.
He’s more a fat white slug. A Jabba the Hutt of privilege.
And worse, he is that most unforgivable of all things to the British: a bully.
That is, except when he is among bullies; then he suddenly transforms into a snivelling sidekick instead.
There are unspoken rules to this stuff - the Queensberry rules of basic decency - and he breaks them all. He punches downwards - which a gentleman should, would, could never do - and every blow he aims is below the belt. He particularly likes to kick the vulnerable or voiceless - and he kicks them when they are down.
So the fact that a significant minority - perhaps a third - of Americans look at what he does, listen to what he says, and then think 'Yeah, he seems like my kind of guy’ is a matter of some confusion and no little distress to British people, given that:
* Americans are supposed to be nicer than us, and mostly are.
* You don't need a particularly keen eye for detail to spot a few flaws in the man.
This last point is what especially confuses and dismays British people, and many other people too; his faults seem pretty bloody hard to miss.
After all, it’s impossible to read a single tweet, or hear him speak a sentence or two, without staring deep into the abyss. He turns being artless into an art form; he is a Picasso of pettiness; a Shakespeare of shit. His faults are fractal: even his flaws have flaws, and so on ad infinitum.
God knows there have always been stupid people in the world, and plenty of nasty people too. But rarely has stupidity been so nasty, or nastiness so stupid.
He makes Nixon look trustworthy and George W look smart.
In fact, if Frankenstein decided to make a monster assembled entirely from human flaws - he would make a Trump.
And a remorseful Doctor Frankenstein would clutch out big clumpfuls of hair and scream in anguish:
'My God… what… have… I… created?
If being a twat was a TV show, Trump would be the boxed set."
"A Jabba The Hutt of privilege"., :worship: :worship: :worship: :worship:
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Dumb prick. Adding new words to what Trump actually said to support your non-existent case. He said "when you're a star they let you do it....".
Idiot. When you are a star they let you do it =/= i do it. It does mean if i wanted to and they considered me a star, they would let me.
Again you said and one of them was POTUS. Is that the truth or are you making it up?
"When you're a star they let you do it."
Trump: "Yeah that's her with the gold. I better use some Tic Tacs just in case I start kissing her. You know I'm automatically attracted to beautiful... I just start kissing them. It's like a magnet. Just kiss. I don't even wait. And when you're a star they let you do it. You can do anything."
Yeah, go ahead and tell us that he didn't, that it's just locker room talk. How naïve can you get?
Yes i have given my thoughts on this previously. Billy Bush was a relatively young good-looking man in his prime.
Trump could have talked up his being richer, more famous, more powerful, more successful.
Instead he bragged and desperately made up fanciful stories about how great and attractive he was to women.
Ask yourself why? Because at 59 and past his peak and having his youthful good looks disappear, he was feeling outgunned and desperate and have to make up bullshit to salve his ego
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TJlpS4vhKP0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o2GnEU4sDA0&t=416s
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If this country goes downhill it's the fault of the idiots that placed the "supreme orange man" in his position.
The Green deal?
The ever more radically Socialist Democrats?
Unprotected Southern border?
Bills proposed to kill babies when they are born?
There are much bigger concerns than Trump. What policies does he have and what actions that are bad or problematic and bad for the world? I don't care about words or personal proclivities. If you are struggling after two years to find anything REALLY bad then you need to look at some of the kind of shit above.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TJlpS4vhKP0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o2GnEU4sDA0&t=416s
I'd like to give that guy a wedgie. And he'd say in that stupid pompous sing-song voice "oh no, you have given me a wedgie, wedgies are not as funny as you might think, not many people know that the word wedgie was added to Webster's dictionary in 2005...". Fuck he goes on and on and on.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TJlpS4vhKP0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o2GnEU4sDA0&t=416s
I'd like to give that guy a wedgie. And he'd say in that stupid pompous sing-song voice "oh no, you have given me a wedgie, wedgies are not as funny as you might think, not many people know that the word wedgie was added to Webster's dictionary in 2005...". Fuck he goes on and on and on.
Yes, your brain was all full in the first minute or so.
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Dumb prick. Adding new words to what Trump actually said to support your non-existent case. He said "when you're a star they let you do it....".
Idiot. When you are a star they let you do it =/= i do it. It does mean if i wanted to and they considered me a star, they would let me.
Again you said and one of them was POTUS. Is that the truth or are you making it up?
"When you're a star they let you do it."
Trump: "Yeah that's her with the gold. I better use some Tic Tacs just in case I start kissing her. You know I'm automatically attracted to beautiful... I just start kissing them. It's like a magnet. Just kiss. I don't even wait. And when you're a star they let you do it. You can do anything."
Yeah, go ahead and tell us that he didn't, that it's just locker room talk. How naïve can you get?
Yes i have given my thoughts on this previously. Billy Bush was a relatively young good-looking man in his prime.
Trump could have talked up his being richer, more famous, more powerful, more successful.
Instead he bragged and desperately made up fanciful stories about how great and attractive he was to women.
Ask yourself why? Because at 59 and past his peak and having his youthful good looks disappear, he was feeling outgunned and desperate and have to make up bullshit to salve his ego
It's sweet that you have such faith in Trump. It really is.
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Bills proposed to kill babies when they are born?
There are no bills to kill babies when they are born.
Educate yourself on that term he's pushing that doesn't fucking EXIST. There are no "late-term abortions".
This is medical intervention to end a pregnancy when either the babies or the mother's life is at risk...or life is not sustainable outside of the womb...or in the case of rape.
Many of these so called "late term abortions" result in premature babies, "wanted" babies...babies that would never have a chance otherwise. Babies like my 20 yr old son. These are not the result of "arbitrary" medical reasons like his asshole nimrod son is preaching about. Over 5% of pregnancies in the US can result in a life endangering condition called preeclampsia, a condition that puts both the mother's and the babies life at risk...or on a transplant list when left to progress too far without intervention....and that's just one reason. Then there are cases like the one below. Every. Single. Day.
https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/late-term-abortion-rape_us_5c630b8de4b0a8731aeabbd6
Yeah...so maybe this is sort of a "personal proclivity" on my end. Bite Me.
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...and now that I'm back from the store I'll talk about "The Reproductive Health Act" recently passed in NY state that so triggered the Mango Mussolini, his propaganda news network, and his bible thumping minions on their drama filled performance.
NY state passed a ruling allowing abortions back in 1970, but the ruling had one major flaw. It did not allow abortion care after 24 weeks to preserve a woman’s health or in cases of fetal non-viability.
That required the intervention or decision of a court or legal counsel. Which if anyone is familiar with our legal system and how "fast" it works can sometimes take days, weeks, or months.
When a decision is made to end a pregnancy due to medical reasons, those reasons usually require immediate action. In my case, my son's heart was stopping and my kidneys were shutting down, in the case of four other women I know personally...two women went into cardiac arrest (one suffered long term heart damage), and with the 3rd the baby's heart slowed to critical levels and unfortunately intervention did not prevent the death of the child...with the 4th the child lived but had complications, the mother did not.
In today's medical setting, 95% of the time the life of the child always takes precedence over that of the mother. Always.
Many times the woman is seen as nothing more than a "host" or a "petri dish"...in the event of complications you are pumped full of meds, fluids, steroids and whatever it takes to extend your pregnancy as long as possible, sometimes at the risk of a few organs. But what's a few organs right? :zoinks:
After a couple days, or weeks of this you are usually so far near the edge you are declared not competent enough to make the final decision yourself, so the final decision is presented to your spouse...as mine was. He was given the option to deliver the baby and take the risk that it might not survive, or wait, try more steroids and maybe the baby would survive, but I would definitely require dialysis or worse for possibly the remainder of my life.
So fuck Trump, fuck his tax bill that is inching us closer and closer to recession, fuck his health care ideas that are driving up the cost of medication and care to more unaffordable and unattainable levels, fuck his environmental roll backs that line his pockets with money and make my water more unsafe to drink, and double fuck him for his uneducated stance on abortion that could cost a lot of women their lives.
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I wish I could ghey him.
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There are no bills to kill babies when they are born.
There are ones that allow for abortions up to the point of water breaking and being in labor.
At that point the only abortion I support is if there's a complication that could endanger the mother's life.
I'm mostly pro-choice but if you wait for 9 months then you pretty much have already made that choice.
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Care to back that up?
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There are no bills to kill babies when they are born.
There are ones that allow for abortions up to the point of water breaking and being in labor.
At that point the only abortion I support is if there's a complication that could endanger the mother's life.
I'm mostly pro-choice but if you wait for 9 months then you pretty much have already made that choice.
Yeah there are late-term abortions I stand corrected on that term, but find one. Pretend you have a uterus for 6 hours and actually try and find one.
As of 2013 their were only 4 doctors in the entire country that performed 3rd trimester abortions after the assassination of the 5th in 2009, (and one was over 70 years of age. )
https://slate.com/human-interest/2013/09/after-tiller-a-documentary-about-late-term-abortion-and-the-four-remaining-doctors-who-perform-it.html
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Here's the total...
As of 2000, only eight states had no restrictions on abortion. Those were Alaska, Colorado, D.C., New Hampshire, New Jersey, New Mexico, Oregon, and Vermont.
Of those Alaska has medical restrictions in place that make it almost impossible to get an abortion after the first trimester of pregnancy, forcing most women to travel out of state to receive one. (around a 3 day trip).
https://www.adn.com/alaska-news/2016/11/30/aclu-planned-parenthood-sue-over-restrictions-on-second-trimester-abortions-in-alaska/
In Colorado, “Outpatient abortion is available up to 26 weeks. In addition, medically indicated termination of pregnancy up to 34 weeks is also an option for conditions such as fetal anomalies, genetic disorder, fetal demise and/or severe medical problems.”
https://prochoicecolorado.org/laws-policy/in-our-state/
D.C. has some of the least restrictions in the country, but most clinics and doctors have their own restrictions.
https://statelaws.findlaw.com/dc-law/district-of-columbia-abortion-laws.html
New Hampshire outlawed a safe second-trimester abortion procedure with no exception to protect a woman’s health in 2012. (2012 N.H. Laws 283. )
“New Hampshire’s law makes certain previability, second-trimester abortion procedures a felony, unless the physician and another legally and financially independent physician determine that the abortion is necessary to save the woman’s life.”
As of 2014, 60% of New Hampshire counties had no clinics that provided abortions
https://www.prochoiceamerica.org/state-law/new-hampshire/
https://www.guttmacher.org/fact-sheet/state-facts-about-abortion-new-hampshire
New Jersey, New Mexico, Oregon, and Vermont have limited restrictions.
Data only obtainable from 2012 shows there were approximately 600 abortions a year after 24 weeks and most are for fetal anomalies.
https://drjengunter.wordpress.com/2016/10/27/how-many-late-term-abortions-are-really-performed-in-the-united-states/
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https://www.vox.com/2019/2/1/18205428/virginia-abortion-bill-kathy-tran-ralph-northam
I believe that this is the one that Pappy is talking about. Unsurprisingly it's been a little misreported in the sort of media that people like Pappy and Al follow.
I love how conservatives care so much about babies before they are born, but after you're born they don't give a fuck about your wellbeing. Until you're old and suffering and want the choice to die with dignity and on your own terms. And then they start giving a fuck about you again, your life is too precious for that and you have to wait for their non-existent God to decide when your time is up.
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Honestly, I knew we had Trump followers but I didn't realise we had Bible Belt representatives.
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Honestly, I knew we had Trump followers but I didn't realise we had Bible Belt representatives.
Evangelicals have become the biggest backers and supporters of the kool aid Trump's pushing. We have local churches around here preaching that you're not a Christian if you don't support the president because he was "appointed by God" :autism:.
Here's something I find somewhat scary and a bit humorous all at the same time. See if you can see any parallels in this and the current atmosphere. But then maybe it's just me...and I need to lay off the :wine:.
Ten warning signs of a potentially unsafe group/leader.
1. Absolute authoritarianism without meaningful accountability.
2. No tolerance for questions or critical inquiry.
3. No meaningful financial disclosure regarding budget, expenses such as an independently audited financial statement.
4. Unreasonable fear about the outside world, such as impending catastrophe, evil conspiracies and persecutions.
5. There is no legitimate reason to leave, former followers are always wrong in leaving, negative or even evil.
6. Former members often relate the same stories of abuse and reflect a similar pattern of grievances.
7. There are records, books, news articles, or television programs that document the abuses of the group/leader.
8. Followers feel they can never be "good enough".
9. The group/leader is always right.
10. The group/leader is the exclusive means of knowing "truth" or receiving validation, no other process of discovery is really acceptable or credible.
Ten warning signs regarding people involved in/with a potentially unsafe group/leader.
1. Extreme obsessiveness regarding the group/leader resulting in the exclusion of almost every practical consideration.
2. Individual identity, the group, the leader and/or God as distinct and separate categories of existence become increasingly blurred. Instead, in the follower's mind these identities become substantially and increasingly fused--as that person's involvement with the group/leader continues and deepens.
3. Whenever the group/leader is criticized or questioned it is characterized as "persecution".
4. Uncharacteristically stilted and seemingly programmed conversation and mannerisms, cloning of the group/leader in personal behavior.
5. Dependency upon the group/leader for problem solving, solutions, and definitions without meaningful reflective thought. A seeming inability to think independently or analyze situations without group/leader involvement.
6. Hyperactivity centered on the group/leader agenda, which seems to supersede any personal goals or individual interests.
7. A dramatic loss of spontaneity and sense of humor.
8. Increasing isolation from family and old friends unless they demonstrate an interest in the group/leader.
9. Anything the group/leader does can be justified no matter how harsh or harmful.
10. Former followers are at best-considered negative or worse evil and under bad influences. They can not be trusted and personal contact is avoided.
https://culteducation.com/warningsigns.html
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Bills proposed to kill babies when they are born?
There are no bills to kill babies when they are born.
Educate yourself on that term he's pushing that doesn't fucking EXIST. There are no "late-term abortions".
This is medical intervention to end a pregnancy when either the babies or the mother's life is at risk...or life is not sustainable outside of the womb...or in the case of rape.
Many of these so called "late term abortions" result in premature babies, "wanted" babies...babies that would never have a chance otherwise. Babies like my 20 yr old son. These are not the result of "arbitrary" medical reasons like his asshole nimrod son is preaching about. Over 5% of pregnancies in the US can result in a life endangering condition called preeclampsia, a condition that puts both the mother's and the babies life at risk...or on a transplant list when left to progress too far without intervention....and that's just one reason. Then there are cases like the one below. Every. Single. Day.
https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/late-term-abortion-rape_us_5c630b8de4b0a8731aeabbd6
Yeah...so maybe this is sort of a "personal proclivity" on my end. Bite Me.
Fuck right off with that bullshit.
They wrote a bill supporting 3rd term abortion and when asked if that was up to and including delivery Kathy Tran said it was. Ralph Northam took it further and said in practical terms that meant the baby would be delivered and made comfortable and then a discussion would be had with the mother to see what she chooses then.
This is infanticide. It is not late term abortion.
So you can jam your ignorant bullshit.
Here's the total...
As of 2000, only eight states had no restrictions on abortion. Those were Alaska, Colorado, D.C., New Hampshire, New Jersey, New Mexico, Oregon, and Vermont.
Of those Alaska has medical restrictions in place that make it almost impossible to get an abortion after the first trimester of pregnancy, forcing most women to travel out of state to receive one. (around a 3 day trip).
https://www.adn.com/alaska-news/2016/11/30/aclu-planned-parenthood-sue-over-restrictions-on-second-trimester-abortions-in-alaska/
In Colorado, “Outpatient abortion is available up to 26 weeks. In addition, medically indicated termination of pregnancy up to 34 weeks is also an option for conditions such as fetal anomalies, genetic disorder, fetal demise and/or severe medical problems.”
https://prochoicecolorado.org/laws-policy/in-our-state/
D.C. has some of the least restrictions in the country, but most clinics and doctors have their own restrictions.
https://statelaws.findlaw.com/dc-law/district-of-columbia-abortion-laws.html
New Hampshire outlawed a safe second-trimester abortion procedure with no exception to protect a woman’s health in 2012. (2012 N.H. Laws 283. )
“New Hampshire’s law makes certain previability, second-trimester abortion procedures a felony, unless the physician and another legally and financially independent physician determine that the abortion is necessary to save the woman’s life.”
As of 2014, 60% of New Hampshire counties had no clinics that provided abortions
https://www.prochoiceamerica.org/state-law/new-hampshire/
https://www.guttmacher.org/fact-sheet/state-facts-about-abortion-new-hampshire
New Jersey, New Mexico, Oregon, and Vermont have limited restrictions.
Data only obtainable from 2012 shows there were approximately 600 abortions a year after 24 weeks and most are for fetal anomalies.
https://drjengunter.wordpress.com/2016/10/27/how-many-late-term-abortions-are-really-performed-in-the-united-states/
And precisely NONE of this has a damn thing to say about what was excluded by a recent late term abortion bill or what the practicalities of what happens if abortion is given at or around delivery and a mother goes into labour.
None of it.
Kathy Tran was honest about what the bill does and does not spell out and Ralph Northan was honest about the practicality of "aborting babies" at stage of labour. You can pretend they were not said or that it was hypothetical or whatever you like. I have no reason to.
https://www.vox.com/2019/2/1/18205428/virginia-abortion-bill-kathy-tran-ralph-northam
I believe that this is the one that Pappy is talking about. Unsurprisingly it's been a little misreported in the sort of media that people like Pappy and Al follow.
I love how conservatives care so much about babies before they are born, but after you're born they don't give a fuck about your wellbeing. Until you're old and suffering and want the choice to die with dignity and on your own terms. And then they start giving a fuck about you again, your life is too precious for that and you have to wait for their non-existent God to decide when your time is up.
Cool talking point. I have heard it a lot but apart from regurgitating this well worn narrative, what evidence do you have of "Conservatives care so much about babies before they are born, but after you're born they don't give a fuck about your wellbeing." Big claim and you have BIG proof of this don't you?
No you don't really because it was never meant to be questioned. It is like quoting a passage in a book or a poem and having no conception of what the passage means just that it sounds good.
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Dumb prick. Adding new words to what Trump actually said to support your non-existent case. He said "when you're a star they let you do it....".
Idiot. When you are a star they let you do it =/= i do it. It does mean if i wanted to and they considered me a star, they would let me.
Again you said and one of them was POTUS. Is that the truth or are you making it up?
"When you're a star they let you do it."
Trump: "Yeah that's her with the gold. I better use some Tic Tacs just in case I start kissing her. You know I'm automatically attracted to beautiful... I just start kissing them. It's like a magnet. Just kiss. I don't even wait. And when you're a star they let you do it. You can do anything."
Yeah, go ahead and tell us that he didn't, that it's just locker room talk. How naïve can you get?
Yes i have given my thoughts on this previously. Billy Bush was a relatively young good-looking man in his prime.
Trump could have talked up his being richer, more famous, more powerful, more successful.
Instead he bragged and desperately made up fanciful stories about how great and attractive he was to women.
Ask yourself why? Because at 59 and past his peak and having his youthful good looks disappear, he was feeling outgunned and desperate and have to make up bullshit to salve his ego
It's sweet that you have such faith in Trump. It really is.
Only an idiot could read what I just wrote and think it some commendation for the President.
It actually reminds me of when I was a kid in my early teens and boys would make up tall tales about what their sexual experience was with girls. In most guys this disappears after you are ACTUALLY sexually active but that is most. Some competitive guys will still exaggerate and lie and misrepresent how much women in general or certain women want them. It is braggadocios, it is arrogant, it is fickle, it is immature, it is stupid and it speaks of a threatened ego needing to be pumped up.
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...and I call bullshit...it was another narrative misconstrued and twisted by the religious right.
One woman misspoke during an interview (a mother of 4 kids), admits to that error and every pro lifer this side of the equator is foaming at the mouth like a bunch of rabid dogs.
Meanwhile Trump is going 1,000 lies a minute, and paying off his affairs with campaign funds, and it's "whoopsie" he's only human....(one can only wonder how many abortions he's paid for in his lifetime)
"Virginia law already allows for third-trimester abortions — about one percent of all abortions, according to the CDC — if three physicians agree a pregnant woman’s mental or physical health is at risk. Tran’s bill would have reduced the requisite number of doctors to one, and removed the requirement for anticipated harm to be “substantially and irredeemably” were she denied an abortion. (“How confident do you have to be that a woman is going to die?” a Harvard Medical School professor and specialist in maternal-fetal medicine once put it to me. “What if there would be complete loss of renal function — does that not merit consideration? What if a woman is going to go blind if she remains pregnant? Those are the kind of nuances that are hard to make bumper stickers out of")
https://www.thecut.com/2019/02/the-false-outrage-over-kathy-trans-infanticide-bill.html
"Under current law in Virginia, third-trimester abortions are permitted when a woman’s physician and two other doctors certify that continuing a pregnancy would result in a mother’s death, or “substantially and irremediably impair the mental or physical health of the woman.” This week Kathy Tran, a Democrat in Virginia’s House of Delegates, testified in favor of a bill that would end the requirement for two extra doctors to sign off on such abortions, and strike the words “substantially and irremediably” from the existing law. Similar legislation has been introduced in past years. Despite what you might have heard, at no point did Tran try to legalize infanticide."
Read more here: https://www.kansascity.com/opinion/opn-columns-blogs/syndicated-columnists/article225606240.html#storylink=cpy
"Virginia Del. Kathy Tran said Thursday that she “misspoke” during a legislative hearing earlier this week about a bill that would have loosened restrictions on late-term abortions. Her comments sparked death threats, and intense backlash from GOP politicians — including President Trump.
“I wish that I was quicker on my feet and I wish that I was able to be more agile in that moment,” Tran, 41, a first-term Democrat from Fairfax County, said in an interview. “And I misspoke, and I really regret that.”
When a Republican lawmaker asked during the hearing whether the bill would allow for an abortion to occur when a woman is in labor and about to give birth, Tran said yes.
But on Thursday, Tran, a mother of four, corrected herself. “I should have said: ‘Clearly, no, because infanticide is not allowed in Virginia, and what would have happened in that moment would be a live birth.’ ”
https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/virginia-politics/lawmaker-at-center-of-abortion-bill-firestorm-elected-as-part-of-democratic-wave-that-changed-richmond/2019/01/31/d4f76ecc-2565-11e9-90cd-dedb0c92dc17_story.html?utm_term=.66a4db026638
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...and I call bullshit...it was another narrative misconstrued and twisted by the religious right.
One woman misspoke during an interview (a mother of 4 kids), admits to that error and every pro lifer this side of the equator is foaming at the mouth like a bunch of rabid dogs.
Meanwhile Trump is going 1,000 lies a minute, and paying off his affairs with campaign funds, and it's "whoopsie" he's only human....(one can only wonder how many abortions he's paid for in his lifetime)
"Virginia law already allows for third-trimester abortions — about one percent of all abortions, according to the CDC — if three physicians agree a pregnant woman’s mental or physical health is at risk. Tran’s bill would have reduced the requisite number of doctors to one, and removed the requirement for anticipated harm to be “substantially and irredeemably” were she denied an abortion. (“How confident do you have to be that a woman is going to die?” a Harvard Medical School professor and specialist in maternal-fetal medicine once put it to me. “What if there would be complete loss of renal function — does that not merit consideration? What if a woman is going to go blind if she remains pregnant? Those are the kind of nuances that are hard to make bumper stickers out of")
https://www.thecut.com/2019/02/the-false-outrage-over-kathy-trans-infanticide-bill.html
"Under current law in Virginia, third-trimester abortions are permitted when a woman’s physician and two other doctors certify that continuing a pregnancy would result in a mother’s death, or “substantially and irremediably impair the mental or physical health of the woman.” This week Kathy Tran, a Democrat in Virginia’s House of Delegates, testified in favor of a bill that would end the requirement for two extra doctors to sign off on such abortions, and strike the words “substantially and irremediably” from the existing law. Similar legislation has been introduced in past years. Despite what you might have heard, at no point did Tran try to legalize infanticide."
Read more here: https://www.kansascity.com/opinion/opn-columns-blogs/syndicated-columnists/article225606240.html#storylink=cpy
"Virginia Del. Kathy Tran said Thursday that she “misspoke” during a legislative hearing earlier this week about a bill that would have loosened restrictions on late-term abortions. Her comments sparked death threats, and intense backlash from GOP politicians — including President Trump.
“I wish that I was quicker on my feet and I wish that I was able to be more agile in that moment,” Tran, 41, a first-term Democrat from Fairfax County, said in an interview. “And I misspoke, and I really regret that.”
When a Republican lawmaker asked during the hearing whether the bill would allow for an abortion to occur when a woman is in labor and about to give birth, Tran said yes.
But on Thursday, Tran, a mother of four, corrected herself. “I should have said: ‘Clearly, no, because infanticide is not allowed in Virginia, and what would have happened in that moment would be a live birth.’ ”
https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/virginia-politics/lawmaker-at-center-of-abortion-bill-firestorm-elected-as-part-of-democratic-wave-that-changed-richmond/2019/01/31/d4f76ecc-2565-11e9-90cd-dedb0c92dc17_story.html?utm_term=.66a4db026638
Why do you keep saying she is a Mother of four? Honestly? It does not matter how many children she has as to whether she believes or believed what she said. It was a pretty fucking straight forward answer as to the questions as to the scope of a bill as written.
It would be strawmanning of the highest order to:
Say that bring this up is akin to foaming at the mouth.
That her status as a mother of four has any premise that she said what she said about the limits or lack thereof with what 3rd term abortions include.
That Trump makes 1000 lies per minute
That Trump lying has ANY relationship to what she said
That anyone making death threats has the effect of changing what she said
That I said she or you said she said that she was supporting infanticide. (I stated clearly that Northam was but not her).
Lot of strawmanning.
Democrats on such messages will take things to the line and then past the line and then when outrage ensues they back off and cite that they misspoke and are sorry and such. It is nothing more than testing the boundaries.
See there are many people like myself who think that there should be a way for women and girls to get abortions. I am not someone who thinks abortion should be available unrestricted but I think there should be a pathway there. But Democrats have this ball and they will open it up to all women and girls, at all times, and without any restrictions, and no matter how far along the unborn living baby is to being born, and then allow the scope of this to include up to being in labour (Tran), and then go one further step - just after birth (Northam).
It is only once they have pushed this too far they fallback but by that time they have shown there hand. Don't worry though because there are people like you Icequeen happy to downplay, misrepresent or strawman.
You are a horse's arse Icequeen.
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Dumb prick. Adding new words to what Trump actually said to support your non-existent case. He said "when you're a star they let you do it....".
Idiot. When you are a star they let you do it =/= i do it. It does mean if i wanted to and they considered me a star, they would let me.
Again you said and one of them was POTUS. Is that the truth or are you making it up?
"When you're a star they let you do it."
Trump: "Yeah that's her with the gold. I better use some Tic Tacs just in case I start kissing her. You know I'm automatically attracted to beautiful... I just start kissing them. It's like a magnet. Just kiss. I don't even wait. And when you're a star they let you do it. You can do anything."
Yeah, go ahead and tell us that he didn't, that it's just locker room talk. How naïve can you get?
Yes i have given my thoughts on this previously. Billy Bush was a relatively young good-looking man in his prime.
Trump could have talked up his being richer, more famous, more powerful, more successful.
Instead he bragged and desperately made up fanciful stories about how great and attractive he was to women.
Ask yourself why? Because at 59 and past his peak and having his youthful good looks disappear, he was feeling outgunned and desperate and have to make up bullshit to salve his ego
It's sweet that you have such faith in Trump. It really is.
Only an idiot could read what I just wrote and think it some commendation for the President.
It actually reminds me of when I was a kid in my early teens and boys would make up tall tales about what their sexual experience was with girls. In most guys this disappears after you are ACTUALLY sexually active but that is most. Some competitive guys will still exaggerate and lie and misrepresent how much women in general or certain women want them. It is braggadocios, it is arrogant, it is fickle, it is immature, it is stupid and it speaks of a threatened ego needing to be pumped up.
Only an idiot would defend Trump on these grounds. But then, that is what you are.
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Oh, and https://www.nytimes.com/2019/02/01/opinion/abortion-virginia-kathy-tran.html.
You're as intellectually dishonest as they come, Al.
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Oh the intellectually dishonest thing again.
You're all disagreeing just to disagree.
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I knew a guy who, when his wife was in labour, was given the option of saving his wife or the baby.
Effectively an abortion while his wife was in labour. I would not have hesitated to say "abort". He chose to try to save both even though the doctor told him that if he went down that route that he could lose both.
So he got lucky and both survived. The daughter was a brilliant child. His wife was physically okay but seriously brain damaged. At first it looked like she'd never even learn to talk again, but she did manage to string a few words together eventually. And perform basic functions.
One day he went out for an hour or so and left his wife and daughter alone. His daughter was about 3. A fire started and both were killed. It was like leaving a 3-year-old in the care of a 4-year-old.
Those are the situations that 3rd trimester abortion legislation is designed for Al.
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Quote from: Icequeen on February 14, 2019, 08:09:46 AM
Quote from: Al Swearengen on February 14, 2019, 03:04:05 AM
Bills proposed to kill babies when they are born?
There are no bills to kill babies when they are born.
Educate yourself on that term he's pushing that doesn't fucking EXIST. There are no "late-term abortions".
This is medical intervention to end a pregnancy when either the babies or the mother's life is at risk...or life is not sustainable outside of the womb...or in the case of rape.
Many of these so called "late term abortions" result in premature babies, "wanted" babies...babies that would never have a chance otherwise. Babies like my 20 yr old son. These are not the result of "arbitrary" medical reasons like his asshole nimrod son is preaching about. Over 5% of pregnancies in the US can result in a life endangering condition called preeclampsia, a condition that puts both the mother's and the babies life at risk...or on a transplant list when left to progress too far without intervention....and that's just one reason. Then there are cases like the one below. Every. Single. Day.
https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/late-term-abortion-rape_us_5c630b8de4b0a8731aeabbd6
Yeah...so maybe this is sort of a "personal proclivity" on my end. Bite Me.
Fuck right off with that bullshit.
They wrote a bill supporting 3rd term abortion and when asked if that was up to and including delivery Kathy Tran said it was. Ralph Northam took it further and said in practical terms that meant the baby would be delivered and made comfortable and then a discussion would be had with the mother to see what she chooses then.
This is infanticide. It is not late term abortion.
So you can jam your ignorant bullshit.
Quote from: Icequeen on Yesterday at 11:32:00 AM
Here's the total...
As of 2000, only eight states had no restrictions on abortion. Those were Alaska, Colorado, D.C., New Hampshire, New Jersey, New Mexico, Oregon, and Vermont.
Of those Alaska has medical restrictions in place that make it almost impossible to get an abortion after the first trimester of pregnancy, forcing most women to travel out of state to receive one. (around a 3 day trip).
https://www.adn.com/alaska-news/2016/11/30/aclu-planned-parenthood-sue-over-restrictions-on-second-trimester-abortions-in-alaska/
In Colorado, “Outpatient abortion is available up to 26 weeks. In addition, medically indicated termination of pregnancy up to 34 weeks is also an option for conditions such as fetal anomalies, genetic disorder, fetal demise and/or severe medical problems.”
https://prochoicecolorado.org/laws-policy/in-our-state/
D.C. has some of the least restrictions in the country, but most clinics and doctors have their own restrictions.
https://statelaws.findlaw.com/dc-law/district-of-columbia-abortion-laws.html
New Hampshire outlawed a safe second-trimester abortion procedure with no exception to protect a woman’s health in 2012. (2012 N.H. Laws 283. )
“New Hampshire’s law makes certain previability, second-trimester abortion procedures a felony, unless the physician and another legally and financially independent physician determine that the abortion is necessary to save the woman’s life.”
As of 2014, 60% of New Hampshire counties had no clinics that provided abortions
https://www.prochoiceamerica.org/state-law/new-hampshire/
https://www.guttmacher.org/fact-sheet/state-facts-about-abortion-new-hampshire
New Jersey, New Mexico, Oregon, and Vermont have limited restrictions.
Data only obtainable from 2012 shows there were approximately 600 abortions a year after 24 weeks and most are for fetal anomalies.
https://drjengunter.wordpress.com/2016/10/27/how-many-late-term-abortions-are-really-performed-in-the-united-states/
And precisely NONE of this has a damn thing to say about what was excluded by a recent late term abortion bill or what the practicalities of what happens if abortion is given at or around delivery and a mother goes into labour.
None of it.
Kathy Tran was honest about what the bill does and does not spell out and Ralph Northan was honest about the practicality of "aborting babies" at stage of labour. You can pretend they were not said or that it was hypothetical or whatever you like. I have no reason to.
Quote from: Minister of silly walks on Yesterday at 02:55:57 PM
https://www.vox.com/2019/2/1/18205428/virginia-abortion-bill-kathy-tran-ralph-northam
I believe that this is the one that Pappy is talking about. Unsurprisingly it's been a little misreported in the sort of media that people like Pappy and Al follow.
I love how conservatives care so much about babies before they are born, but after you're born they don't give a fuck about your wellbeing. Until you're old and suffering and want the choice to die with dignity and on your own terms. And then they start giving a fuck about you again, your life is too precious for that and you have to wait for their non-existent God to decide when your time is up.
Cool talking point. I have heard it a lot but apart from regurgitating this well worn narrative, what evidence do you have of "Conservatives care so much about babies before they are born, but after you're born they don't give a fuck about your wellbeing." Big claim and you have BIG proof of this don't you?
No you don't really because it was never meant to be questioned. It is like quoting a passage in a book or a poem and having no conception of what the passage means just that it sounds good.
If you need proof then you need to slow down on the Kool Aid dude.
I'll go one better than proof and give you an actual example.
Australia's conservative Prime Minister was faced with a situation where the multi millionaires who run Australia's banks were ripping people off. People were losing their life savings. He had a choice to support an investigation, a Royal Commission, into what the banks were doing. You know what he did, right? He voted against that investigation not once, not twice, but twenty six fucking times. And now that the Royal Commission has been conducted and they found exactly what everyone knew they would find... our PM is doing all he can to delay taking actions. The criminals who were ripping people off should be in jail by now. But they'll retire with a massive severance package and retire in luxury instead.
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Oh, and https://www.nytimes.com/2019/02/01/opinion/abortion-virginia-kathy-tran.html.
You're as intellectually dishonest as they come, Al.
Yes Complete intellectually honest, huh Odeon?
"Opinion
Fake News About Abortion in Virginia
No, Democrats aren’t trying to legalize infanticide.
Michelle Goldberg
By Michelle Goldberg
Opinion Columnist"
So it is an opinion piece by an opinion columnist in a Left Leaning publication.
You think this is a proof? Evidence? Refutation?
Fucking idiot.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t0kC1B__CJ4
Pretty fucking straightforward.
How late was SHE saying the bill allowed abortion and when could the baby be aborted under that bill? I mean it is a minute of conversation captured. Hard to say I misunderstood.
I did NOT say SHE specifically said or promoted infancide. She took it right to the line but is wanting to terminate the baby just before it is physically born and up to the Mother being in labour. She did not say that she was saying that a baby should be terminated at being born. She threw down the gauntlet though for Ralph Northam to push the line further and step across. He is essentially saying "Well if we can start an abortion THAT late and the birth is in progress we have the order and have to follow through with the birth but the order has still been given so we have to now make the baby comfortable and have a chat with the mother about aborting the now born child".
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_xD8cPgcZ3E&t=2s
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You are a horse's arse Icequeen.
Better the horse's arse than the pasture full of shit he left behind. :smarty:
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I have a horse and an opinion in this. Mom and Dad were married in early October. I was born in August, about 11 months later. Mom asked her mom for money to abort me. Grandma Teenie said no.
I don't know how Dad felt about the pregnancy and my proposed abortion. Dad went to university full time, worked full time and graduated in 3 years. They were very broke the whole time. They moved once because Mom could keep me safe from the rats that would sneak into my crib to get at my bottle, but the fleas were the deal breaker.
Understandably I'm against abortion except in very limited circumstances. Judaism doesn't have one governing body that dictates Jewish law. The Old Testament says that life begins when the first breath is taken since G_d breathed life into Adam and Eve. So until the baby takes a breath it isn't a human being. Abortions are usually forbidden for a first pregnancy because the mother has had a life while the fetus should have the opportunity for life. If it is a second or later pregnancy then abortion is allowed in case of the mother's life because she has a child/children who need a mother.
It's not perfect, but it's what I choose to believe.
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I sometimes thought it would have been the same with my mother, but it was the exact opposite with her. She was always adamantly pro-choice on the matter.
My grandmother was raped, and had abortion been legally or financially obtainable at the time she always knew without a doubt she would never have been here. As it was, my grandmother wanted to put her up for adoption but was prevented from doing so by her mother after my mom surprised everyone by arriving a few weeks early when my grandmother was home for the holiday.
My mom was raised by her grandmother until she was around 9 or 12 and then went to live with her mom who by that time was married and had a new baby. The relationship was never really terrific between her and her mom, maybe if she had looked more like her mother, I don't know. Some of her childhood time bordered on hellish, like she was constant reminder to her mother about something she wanted to forget.
I am grateful every. single. day. that she was born, that I got to enjoy being her daughter for as long or as short as I did in life. But I guess like her, I will always support a woman's right to have a choice.
They moved once because Mom could keep me safe from the rats that would sneak into my crib to get at my bottle...
Mom used to tell me the same stories about Illinois when I was a baby. I can't even imagine dealing with that.
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I knew a guy who, when his wife was in labour, was given the option of saving his wife or the baby.
Effectively an abortion while his wife was in labour. I would not have hesitated to say "abort". He chose to try to save both even though the doctor told him that if he went down that route that he could lose both.
So he got lucky and both survived. The daughter was a brilliant child. His wife was physically okay but seriously brain damaged. At first it looked like she'd never even learn to talk again, but she did manage to string a few words together eventually. And perform basic functions.
One day he went out for an hour or so and left his wife and daughter alone. His daughter was about 3. A fire started and both were killed. It was like leaving a 3-year-old in the care of a 4-year-old.
Those are the situations that 3rd trimester abortion legislation is designed for Al.
No shit. Nothing I said actually refuted this.
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There is never a decent reason to kill a baby after it has been born and doing so is NOT abortion.
Yes this IS the practical implications (not the legislative or theoretical implications) of the bill Kathy Tran outlined.
Should there be an avenue for unwanted pregnancies to be aborted? Sure. First term abortions prevent rape victims and careless teenagers and the like being burdened with a life decision they did not make. I think that if such practices are well regulated, have adequate education and counselling for patients, medical referral process, qualified professions to carry out said abortion and have good facilities, I am not against this. Second terms abortions, the little clump of cells is now a baby that feels pain and distress. It is certainly unable to survive outside the mother's womb but termination of a child at this stage is something I think ought to be more restrictive and more difficult to get. It should not be actively promoted. Available. Yes but I think that it should be given the gravity it deserves. Third term abortions at the stage where the baby has a chance if delivered to survive outside the womb should be reserved for exceptions and as such require three doctors to sign off on this.
"Abortion" after birth is NOT abortion. Never was and never will be.
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FFS read the actual bill, revisions are noted:
http://lis.virginia.gov/cgi-bin/legp604.exe?191+ful+HB2491
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FFS read the actual bill, revisions are noted:
http://lis.virginia.gov/cgi-bin/legp604.exe?191+ful+HB2491
I've read it.
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Thanks Icequeen, and those are sensible amendments. I'd like Al to point out which amendments he disagreed with while he was reading it, and also to show us where it makes infanticide legal.
Infanticide is still illegal. Somebody gave a bad answer while being questioned. Whoopty do. That still don't make infanticide legal.
If my wife or daughter were in their 3rd trimester and a doctor I trust says they need to take action immediately to save her life..... what would really suck is if he had to get a fucking committee together and get them all up to speed and then get them all to agree on the required action. Screw that - it's red tape we don't need the lives of people we care about are on the fucking line. What if 2 great doctors agree on a course of action and some religious dropkick they had to call in for a third opinion says no - I just kiss my wife or daughter goodbye, if they've even lasted the time it took to go through all that red tape?
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I have a horse and an opinion in this. Mom and Dad were married in early October. I was born in August, about 11 months later. Mom asked her mom for money to abort me. Grandma Teenie said no.
I don't know how Dad felt about the pregnancy and my proposed abortion. Dad went to university full time, worked full time and graduated in 3 years. They were very broke the whole time. They moved once because Mom could keep me safe from the rats that would sneak into my crib to get at my bottle, but the fleas were the deal breaker.
Understandably I'm against abortion except in very limited circumstances. Judaism doesn't have one governing body that dictates Jewish law. The Old Testament says that life begins when the first breath is taken since G_d breathed life into Adam and Eve. So until the baby takes a breath it isn't a human being. Abortions are usually forbidden for a first pregnancy because the mother has had a life while the fetus should have the opportunity for life. If it is a second or later pregnancy then abortion is allowed in case of the mother's life because she has a child/children who need a mother.
It's not perfect, but it's what I choose to believe.
I totally respect your beliefs. I was raised Catholic. I am strongly pro-choice but at the same time... at a personal level, if I had a womb I don't believe that I could ever choose to abort a fetus except in very exceptional circumstances.
If we want less abortions, how about making contraception more readily available? How about supporting poor women who have babies not just during their pregnancy, but after their babies are born as well?
Abortion rates are lower among atheists. Abortion rates are lower in Australia, where abortion is generally more readily available, than in the US. Sweden has a similar rate to the US.
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Oddly enough even though I understand the logic behind the Jewish thinking I felt that I had lost a real, live child in each of my miscarriages.
This is a matter that can't and won't be decided until we decide when humanness, a soul begins. That it is a wanted child. That mankind is willing to support the child however.
Is abortion more necessary in a crowded Indian village with a substandard facilities, utilities, health services, education simply because there are too many people?
Is abortion reasonable when a child will require massive amount of medical support with minimal or no good outcome?
How can we be assured that all "unwanted" children are adopted into competent, caring homes? Are there enough homes?
This argument will continue for eons.
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Thanks Icequeen, and those are sensible amendments. I'd like Al to point out which amendments he disagreed with while he was reading it, and also to show us where it makes infanticide legal.
Infanticide is still illegal. Somebody gave a bad answer while being questioned. Whoopty do. That still don't make infanticide legal.
If my wife or daughter were in their 3rd trimester and a doctor I trust says they need to take action immediately to save her life..... what would really suck is if he had to get a fucking committee together and get them all up to speed and then get them all to agree on the required action. Screw that - it's red tape we don't need the lives of people we care about are on the fucking line. What if 2 great doctors agree on a course of action and some religious dropkick they had to call in for a third opinion says no - I just kiss my wife or daughter goodbye, if they've even lasted the time it took to go through all that red tape?
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I have a horse and an opinion in this. Mom and Dad were married in early October. I was born in August, about 11 months later. Mom asked her mom for money to abort me. Grandma Teenie said no.
I don't know how Dad felt about the pregnancy and my proposed abortion. Dad went to university full time, worked full time and graduated in 3 years. They were very broke the whole time. They moved once because Mom could keep me safe from the rats that would sneak into my crib to get at my bottle, but the fleas were the deal breaker.
Understandably I'm against abortion except in very limited circumstances. Judaism doesn't have one governing body that dictates Jewish law. The Old Testament says that life begins when the first breath is taken since G_d breathed life into Adam and Eve. So until the baby takes a breath it isn't a human being. Abortions are usually forbidden for a first pregnancy because the mother has had a life while the fetus should have the opportunity for life. If it is a second or later pregnancy then abortion is allowed in case of the mother's life because she has a child/children who need a mother.
It's not perfect, but it's what I choose to believe.
I totally respect your beliefs. I was raised Catholic. I am strongly pro-choice but at the same time... at a personal level, if I had a womb I don't believe that I could ever choose to abort a fetus except in very exceptional circumstances.
If we want less abortions, how about making contraception more readily available? How about supporting poor women who have babies not just during their pregnancy, but after their babies are born as well?
Abortion rates are lower among atheists. Abortion rates are lower in Australia, where abortion is generally more readily available, than in the US. Sweden has a similar rate to the US.
Sweden and US?
Or should that be Sweden and Australia?
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Oddly enough even though I understand the logic behind the Jewish thinking I felt that I had lost a real, live child in each of my miscarriages.
This is a matter that can't and won't be decided until we decide when humanness, a soul begins. That it is a wanted child. That mankind is willing to support the child however.
Is abortion more necessary in a crowded Indian village with a substandard facilities, utilities, health services, education simply because there are too many people?
Is abortion reasonable when a child will require massive amount of medical support with minimal or no good outcome?
How can we be assured that all "unwanted" children are adopted into competent, caring homes? Are there enough homes?
This argument will continue for eons.
Better availability of contraception, including the morning-after pill, would be my first step. That could massively reduce the incidence of unwanted pregnancies. Better social welfare and support for single mothers could also make a huge difference.
In many parts of the world there is surprisingly little debate over abortion. Women have autonomy over their bodies, it is an individual woman's right to choose. The woman's life takes priority in a medical emergency, no need to assemble a committee and advise her of the availability of support services while her life hangs in the balance and every second is critical. Not a massive amount of silly red tape that is designed to make it more difficult and more expensive and more stressful for women to access safe abortions. Maybe the argument doesn't need to drag on for eons, maybe that's the way it should be. If you are religious and you believe in a soul that begins at conception, nobody is forcing you to have an abortion unless you live in China.
Losing a wanted and longed for child through miscarriage is bloody awful. My wife doesn't even remember hers (just the one, thankfully), she has literally shut out all memory of it, and maybe that's a good thing. I remember at the time, I didn't even give myself the option of getting maudlin or grieving, it was just "got to get my wife through this in one piece physically and emotionally". I told her lots of stuff about God's plan even though I don't even believe in God.
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Thanks Icequeen, and those are sensible amendments. I'd like Al to point out which amendments he disagreed with while he was reading it, and also to show us where it makes infanticide legal.
Infanticide is still illegal. Somebody gave a bad answer while being questioned. Whoopty do. That still don't make infanticide legal.
If my wife or daughter were in their 3rd trimester and a doctor I trust says they need to take action immediately to save her life..... what would really suck is if he had to get a fucking committee together and get them all up to speed and then get them all to agree on the required action. Screw that - it's red tape we don't need the lives of people we care about are on the fucking line. What if 2 great doctors agree on a course of action and some religious dropkick they had to call in for a third opinion says no - I just kiss my wife or daughter goodbye, if they've even lasted the time it took to go through all that red tape?
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You're just making this up, right?
Well, either that or your reading comprehension is not up to par, or that you are confused about legal terms such as "amendment".
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I have a horse and an opinion in this. Mom and Dad were married in early October. I was born in August, about 11 months later. Mom asked her mom for money to abort me. Grandma Teenie said no.
I don't know how Dad felt about the pregnancy and my proposed abortion. Dad went to university full time, worked full time and graduated in 3 years. They were very broke the whole time. They moved once because Mom could keep me safe from the rats that would sneak into my crib to get at my bottle, but the fleas were the deal breaker.
Understandably I'm against abortion except in very limited circumstances. Judaism doesn't have one governing body that dictates Jewish law. The Old Testament says that life begins when the first breath is taken since G_d breathed life into Adam and Eve. So until the baby takes a breath it isn't a human being. Abortions are usually forbidden for a first pregnancy because the mother has had a life while the fetus should have the opportunity for life. If it is a second or later pregnancy then abortion is allowed in case of the mother's life because she has a child/children who need a mother.
It's not perfect, but it's what I choose to believe.
I totally respect your beliefs. I was raised Catholic. I am strongly pro-choice but at the same time... at a personal level, if I had a womb I don't believe that I could ever choose to abort a fetus except in very exceptional circumstances.
If we want less abortions, how about making contraception more readily available? How about supporting poor women who have babies not just during their pregnancy, but after their babies are born as well?
Abortion rates are lower among atheists. Abortion rates are lower in Australia, where abortion is generally more readily available, than in the US. Sweden has a similar rate to the US.
Sweden and US?
Or should that be Sweden and Australia?
I was surprised that Sweden and the US have similar rates of abortion. I expected Sweden's rate to be much lower.
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Thanks Icequeen, and those are sensible amendments. I'd like Al to point out which amendments he disagreed with while he was reading it, and also to show us where it makes infanticide legal.
Infanticide is still illegal. Somebody gave a bad answer while being questioned. Whoopty do. That still don't make infanticide legal.
If my wife or daughter were in their 3rd trimester and a doctor I trust says they need to take action immediately to save her life..... what would really suck is if he had to get a fucking committee together and get them all up to speed and then get them all to agree on the required action. Screw that - it's red tape we don't need the lives of people we care about are on the fucking line. What if 2 great doctors agree on a course of action and some religious dropkick they had to call in for a third opinion says no - I just kiss my wife or daughter goodbye, if they've even lasted the time it took to go through all that red tape?
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You're just making this up, right?
Well, either that or your reading comprehension is not up to par, or that you are confused about legal terms such as "amendment".
Wrong on both counts. I was asking which amendments I disagreed with and I showed which portions that were amended (struck out) that I disagreed with. I know you are too stupid to understand this but I humour you and your stupid occasionally.
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If we want less abortions, how about making contraception more readily available? How about supporting poor women who have babies not just during their pregnancy, but after their babies are born as well?
That.
Stop trying to defund agencies like planned parenthood that attempt to make birth control more affordable and easier to obtain...just because they also perform abortions.
Stop preaching abstinence in schools and churches. It doesn't work...statistics have already proved it doesn't work. To most young adults it's nothing more than a joke.
...and stop refusing surgical birth control methods to grown ass women with only one child or who are childless and want to remain so with the excuse that maybe they just "really don't know what they want".
Also...eliminate or revise the regulations on the waiting period for those that request surgical sterilization at the time of delivery.
After what I went through and at age 32, given a 90% chance of it reoccurring...I was refused birth control pills (clotting, high risk) and had to fight with a total of 3 doctors before I finally found one willing to perform the surgery...then it took a nuclear meltdown in their office before they were "positive" I knew "what I wanted".
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If we want less abortions, how about making contraception more readily available? How about supporting poor women who have babies not just during their pregnancy, but after their babies are born as well?
That.
Stop trying to defund agencies like planned parenthood that attempt to make birth control more affordable and easier to obtain...just because they also perform abortions.
Stop preaching abstinence in schools and churches. It doesn't work...statistics have already proved it doesn't work. To most young adults it's nothing more than a joke.
...and stop refusing surgical birth control methods to grown ass women with only one child or who are childless and want to remain so with the excuse that maybe they just "really don't know what they want".
Also...eliminate or revise the regulations on the waiting period for those that request surgical sterilization at the time of delivery.
After what I went through and at age 32, given a 90% chance of it reoccurring...I was refused birth control pills (clotting, high risk) and had to fight with a total of 3 doctors before I finally found one willing to perform the surgery...then it took a nuclear meltdown in their office before they were "positive" I knew "what I wanted".
:agreed:
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Thanks Icequeen, and those are sensible amendments. I'd like Al to point out which amendments he disagreed with while he was reading it, and also to show us where it makes infanticide legal.
Infanticide is still illegal. Somebody gave a bad answer while being questioned. Whoopty do. That still don't make infanticide legal.
If my wife or daughter were in their 3rd trimester and a doctor I trust says they need to take action immediately to save her life..... what would really suck is if he had to get a fucking committee together and get them all up to speed and then get them all to agree on the required action. Screw that - it's red tape we don't need the lives of people we care about are on the fucking line. What if 2 great doctors agree on a course of action and some religious dropkick they had to call in for a third opinion says no - I just kiss my wife or daughter goodbye, if they've even lasted the time it took to go through all that red tape?
18.2-73.
18.2-74 (2)
18.2-76 D (2)
18.2-76 D (3)
18.2-76 D (5)
18.2-76 F (2)
18.2-76 F (3)
You're just making this up, right?
Well, either that or your reading comprehension is not up to par, or that you are confused about legal terms such as "amendment".
Wrong on both counts. I was asking which amendments I disagreed with and I showed which portions that were amended (struck out) that I disagreed with. I know you are too stupid to understand this but I humour you and your stupid occasionally.
Well, your reading comprehension just failed. QED
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I have a horse and an opinion in this. Mom and Dad were married in early October. I was born in August, about 11 months later. Mom asked her mom for money to abort me. Grandma Teenie said no.
I don't know how Dad felt about the pregnancy and my proposed abortion. Dad went to university full time, worked full time and graduated in 3 years. They were very broke the whole time. They moved once because Mom could keep me safe from the rats that would sneak into my crib to get at my bottle, but the fleas were the deal breaker.
Understandably I'm against abortion except in very limited circumstances. Judaism doesn't have one governing body that dictates Jewish law. The Old Testament says that life begins when the first breath is taken since G_d breathed life into Adam and Eve. So until the baby takes a breath it isn't a human being. Abortions are usually forbidden for a first pregnancy because the mother has had a life while the fetus should have the opportunity for life. If it is a second or later pregnancy then abortion is allowed in case of the mother's life because she has a child/children who need a mother.
It's not perfect, but it's what I choose to believe.
I totally respect your beliefs. I was raised Catholic. I am strongly pro-choice but at the same time... at a personal level, if I had a womb I don't believe that I could ever choose to abort a fetus except in very exceptional circumstances.
If we want less abortions, how about making contraception more readily available? How about supporting poor women who have babies not just during their pregnancy, but after their babies are born as well?
Abortion rates are lower among atheists. Abortion rates are lower in Australia, where abortion is generally more readily available, than in the US. Sweden has a similar rate to the US.
Sweden and US?
Or should that be Sweden and Australia?
I was surprised that Sweden and the US have similar rates of abortion. I expected Sweden's rate to be much lower.
Why?
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I have a horse and an opinion in this. Mom and Dad were married in early October. I was born in August, about 11 months later. Mom asked her mom for money to abort me. Grandma Teenie said no.
I don't know how Dad felt about the pregnancy and my proposed abortion. Dad went to university full time, worked full time and graduated in 3 years. They were very broke the whole time. They moved once because Mom could keep me safe from the rats that would sneak into my crib to get at my bottle, but the fleas were the deal breaker.
Understandably I'm against abortion except in very limited circumstances. Judaism doesn't have one governing body that dictates Jewish law. The Old Testament says that life begins when the first breath is taken since G_d breathed life into Adam and Eve. So until the baby takes a breath it isn't a human being. Abortions are usually forbidden for a first pregnancy because the mother has had a life while the fetus should have the opportunity for life. If it is a second or later pregnancy then abortion is allowed in case of the mother's life because she has a child/children who need a mother.
It's not perfect, but it's what I choose to believe.
I totally respect your beliefs. I was raised Catholic. I am strongly pro-choice but at the same time... at a personal level, if I had a womb I don't believe that I could ever choose to abort a fetus except in very exceptional circumstances.
If we want less abortions, how about making contraception more readily available? How about supporting poor women who have babies not just during their pregnancy, but after their babies are born as well?
Abortion rates are lower among atheists. Abortion rates are lower in Australia, where abortion is generally more readily available, than in the US. Sweden has a similar rate to the US.
Sweden and US?
Or should that be Sweden and Australia?
I was surprised that Sweden and the US have similar rates of abortion. I expected Sweden's rate to be much lower.
Why?
Because I expected that proper education on how not to get pregnant rather than focusing on abstinence, access to social welfare, access to contraception, would work better than punitive legislation.
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I have a horse and an opinion in this. Mom and Dad were married in early October. I was born in August, about 11 months later. Mom asked her mom for money to abort me. Grandma Teenie said no.
I don't know how Dad felt about the pregnancy and my proposed abortion. Dad went to university full time, worked full time and graduated in 3 years. They were very broke the whole time. They moved once because Mom could keep me safe from the rats that would sneak into my crib to get at my bottle, but the fleas were the deal breaker.
Understandably I'm against abortion except in very limited circumstances. Judaism doesn't have one governing body that dictates Jewish law. The Old Testament says that life begins when the first breath is taken since G_d breathed life into Adam and Eve. So until the baby takes a breath it isn't a human being. Abortions are usually forbidden for a first pregnancy because the mother has had a life while the fetus should have the opportunity for life. If it is a second or later pregnancy then abortion is allowed in case of the mother's life because she has a child/children who need a mother.
It's not perfect, but it's what I choose to believe.
I totally respect your beliefs. I was raised Catholic. I am strongly pro-choice but at the same time... at a personal level, if I had a womb I don't believe that I could ever choose to abort a fetus except in very exceptional circumstances.
If we want less abortions, how about making contraception more readily available? How about supporting poor women who have babies not just during their pregnancy, but after their babies are born as well?
Abortion rates are lower among atheists. Abortion rates are lower in Australia, where abortion is generally more readily available, than in the US. Sweden has a similar rate to the US.
Sweden and US?
Or should that be Sweden and Australia?
I was surprised that Sweden and the US have similar rates of abortion. I expected Sweden's rate to be much lower.
Why?
Because I expected that proper education on how not to get pregnant rather than focusing on abstinence, access to social welfare, access to contraception, would work better than punitive legislation.
Wonder what is in those figures.
The Dutch have a very low induced abortion rate. And apparently 13% of those abortions happen to women from abroad. From countries with more strict legislation.
Does Sweden have a high abortion rate because of something like that? Or is, for some groups, or most people in Sweden abortion a method of birth control?
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I’m crazy, apparently. Just got out of the mental hospital. Hope to recover from whatever strain in my mind that is causing this.
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I have a horse and an opinion in this. Mom and Dad were married in early October. I was born in August, about 11 months later. Mom asked her mom for money to abort me. Grandma Teenie said no.
I don't know how Dad felt about the pregnancy and my proposed abortion. Dad went to university full time, worked full time and graduated in 3 years. They were very broke the whole time. They moved once because Mom could keep me safe from the rats that would sneak into my crib to get at my bottle, but the fleas were the deal breaker.
Understandably I'm against abortion except in very limited circumstances. Judaism doesn't have one governing body that dictates Jewish law. The Old Testament says that life begins when the first breath is taken since G_d breathed life into Adam and Eve. So until the baby takes a breath it isn't a human being. Abortions are usually forbidden for a first pregnancy because the mother has had a life while the fetus should have the opportunity for life. If it is a second or later pregnancy then abortion is allowed in case of the mother's life because she has a child/children who need a mother.
It's not perfect, but it's what I choose to believe.
I totally respect your beliefs. I was raised Catholic. I am strongly pro-choice but at the same time... at a personal level, if I had a womb I don't believe that I could ever choose to abort a fetus except in very exceptional circumstances.
If we want less abortions, how about making contraception more readily available? How about supporting poor women who have babies not just during their pregnancy, but after their babies are born as well?
Abortion rates are lower among atheists. Abortion rates are lower in Australia, where abortion is generally more readily available, than in the US. Sweden has a similar rate to the US.
Sweden and US?
Or should that be Sweden and Australia?
I was surprised that Sweden and the US have similar rates of abortion. I expected Sweden's rate to be much lower.
Why?
Because I expected that proper education on how not to get pregnant rather than focusing on abstinence, access to social welfare, access to contraception, would work better than punitive legislation.
Wonder what is in those figures.
The Dutch have a very low induced abortion rate. And apparently 13% of those abortions happen to women from abroad. From countries with more strict legislation.
Does Sweden have a high abortion rate because of something like that? Or is, for some groups, or most people in Sweden abortion a method of birth control?
Abortion in Germany is mostly illegal. Maybe they fly to Sweden? All good points there Andersom.
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I’m crazy, apparently. Just got out of the mental hospital. Hope to recover from whatever strain in my mind that is causing this.
Hope you're feeling better.
You're in the right place for crazy.
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I’m crazy, apparently. Just got out of the mental hospital. Hope to recover from whatever strain in my mind that is causing this.
:hug:
Sorry life is rough for you right now.
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I’m crazy, apparently. Just got out of the mental hospital. Hope to recover from whatever strain in my mind that is causing this.
I had wondered where you were. Hope the experience wasn't too bad and you're on the mend, feeling better.
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I just love the live entertainment today. I love it how the republicans spend their slots whining while the democrats ask all the fun questions. All this while the main character is off to Vietnam, desperately hoping for a diversion.
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I just love the live entertainment today. I love it how the republicans spend their slots whining while the democrats ask all the fun questions. All this while the main character is off to Vietnam, desperately hoping for a diversion.
This shit is fucking priceless. :popcorn:
Loved when Higgins is asking about why Cohen didn't turn over the boxes of files he's getting his records from...and Cohen is trying to tell them him he did, they were seized in the raid and returned by the Feds after they looked through them...and the dude is still fucking clueless as to why he has the boxes.
How the hell do some of these morons even tie their shoes?
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If this country goes downhill it's the fault of the idiots that placed the "supreme orange man" in his position.
The Green deal?
The ever more radically Socialist Democrats?
Unprotected Southern border?
Bills proposed to kill babies when they are born?
There are much bigger concerns than Trump. What policies does he have and what actions that are bad or problematic and bad for the world? I don't care about words or personal proclivities. If you are struggling after two years to find anything REALLY bad then you need to look at some of the kind of shit above.
There are ways of improving the southern border without overhyping it! ::)
A wall is not going to do a damn thing to help the southern border issues.... they're needing to look at the tunnels that are below it!
The Socialist Democrats are nothing new, there's been a lot of Socialist ideals throughout the years in the states... Eugene Debbs, Upton Sinclair, both of those guys were around way before Sanders and AOC... Some socialism was used to bring the stuff that was of benefit after the Haymarket Square Riots, it's where the Americans have their 40 hour work weeks, benefits, unions (though the unions of today are a bit much), The shit that Trump and the GOP are doing is far worse than what the Socialist Democrats are proposing...
The whole thing of killing babies when they're born is somewhat over-hyped right now... because both sides cannot provide credible evidence to back their claims. Yes there are some cases where it happens in Bucharest back in the Soviet Era, or even in other countries...
What I do not understand is why it's necessary to take an extreme approach to get his point across... an approach that's been said and done for centuries... an approach that often leads to isolationism, and xenophobic tendencies.
What should matter as of right now is focusing on fixing the migrant problems, not demonizing people just because a select few do not take legal means to gain residential status and/or citizenship.
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Also Al... the Green New Deal is a proposal that is meant to take its time... not strictly enforce asap.
Didn't you hear about the 2020 proposal that other countries were planning 7 years ago or so? The idea was to make going green initiatives to be completed around that frame of time... places like San Fransisco, Vancouver, Oslo, and other cities using alternative energy to improve the climate, etc, etc.
If it's proposed early, I don't see why it's such a big deal to bitch about it.
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How the hell do some of these morons even tie their shoes?
They probably make their significant others do it :dunno:
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I just love the live entertainment today. I love it how the republicans spend their slots whining while the democrats ask all the fun questions. All this while the main character is off to Vietnam, desperately hoping for a diversion.
This shit is fucking priceless. :popcorn:
Loved when Higgins is asking about why Cohen didn't turn over the boxes of files he's getting his records from...and Cohen is trying to tell them him he did, they were seized in the raid and returned by the Feds after they looked through them...and the dude is still fucking clueless as to why he has the boxes.
How the hell do some of these morons even tie their shoes?
I think they use velcro tape.
The focus is understandably on the hush money, Wikileaks and so on, but I thought the exchange about the valuation of Trump's golf courses was illuminating. It's that kind of "little" thing that will cause everything to fall apart.
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Also Al... the Green New Deal is a proposal that is meant to take its time... not strictly enforce asap.
Didn't you hear about the 2020 proposal that other countries were planning 7 years ago or so? The idea was to make going green initiatives to be completed around that frame of time... places like San Fransisco, Vancouver, Oslo, and other cities using alternative energy to improve the climate, etc, etc.
If it's proposed early, I don't see why it's such a big deal to bitch about it.
The republicans are lying about what the Green New Deal means. Nobody's going to ban air traffic or cars or anything else. It's not what the proposal is about at all. But everything AOC stands for is a threat to the republicans and they fight her with everything they've got.
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Gen, not going to respond specifically to your posts other than to say that you made some great points.
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Agree with Odeon. The Green New Deal is a rational response to many of the issues facing the US and the world right now. That is why it is so dangerous to some.
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And meanwhile, Mr Art of the Deal failed to close another deal.
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I just love the live entertainment today. I love it how the republicans spend their slots whining while the democrats ask all the fun questions. All this while the main character is off to Vietnam, desperately hoping for a diversion.
Or....you know, on a planned diplomatic trip like every President who ever existed makes and will make. You mean that don't you? You think he gives a shit about Cohen? Why? Cohen is a proven liar and has lied under oath. There is not a thing that he could do or say that will restore his credibility. What has Trump to be concerned about?
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If this country goes downhill it's the fault of the idiots that placed the "supreme orange man" in his position.
The Green deal?
The ever more radically Socialist Democrats?
Unprotected Southern border?
Bills proposed to kill babies when they are born?
There are much bigger concerns than Trump. What policies does he have and what actions that are bad or problematic and bad for the world? I don't care about words or personal proclivities. If you are struggling after two years to find anything REALLY bad then you need to look at some of the kind of shit above.
There are ways of improving the southern border without overhyping it! ::)
A wall is not going to do a damn thing to help the southern border issues.... they're needing to look at the tunnels that are below it!
The Socialist Democrats are nothing new, there's been a lot of Socialist ideals throughout the years in the states... Eugene Debbs, Upton Sinclair, both of those guys were around way before Sanders and AOC... Some socialism was used to bring the stuff that was of benefit after the Haymarket Square Riots, it's where the Americans have their 40 hour work weeks, benefits, unions (though the unions of today are a bit much), The shit that Trump and the GOP are doing is far worse than what the Socialist Democrats are proposing...
The whole thing of killing babies when they're born is somewhat over-hyped right now... because both sides cannot provide credible evidence to back their claims. Yes there are some cases where it happens in Bucharest back in the Soviet Era, or even in other countries...
What I do not understand is why it's necessary to take an extreme approach to get his point across... an approach that's been said and done for centuries... an approach that often leads to isolationism, and xenophobic tendencies.
What should matter as of right now is focusing on fixing the migrant problems, not demonizing people just because a select few do not take legal means to gain residential status and/or citizenship.
Should not build a wall because some people can build tunnels and some people will be able to find a way under the wall.
OR
Should build a wall to reduce the people that will walk straight across unwalled area without needing to go to the bother of building a tunnel
One of these makes more sense than the other when it comes to reducing unvetted illegal immigrants.
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And meanwhile, Mr Art of the Deal failed to close another deal.
Only a real idiot would insist he should take a bad deal in no one's interest and DELAYING a deal and working through the kinks is somehow failing. What are YOU that idiot, Odeon?
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Only an idiot would still suggest Trump is doing an even remotely passable job and post excuse after excuse for his every fail.
The good news is that I already know you're an idiot, Al.
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I just love the live entertainment today. I love it how the republicans spend their slots whining while the democrats ask all the fun questions. All this while the main character is off to Vietnam, desperately hoping for a diversion.
Or....you know, on a planned diplomatic trip like every President who ever existed makes and will make. You mean that don't you? You think he gives a shit about Cohen? Why? Cohen is a proven liar and has lied under oath. There is not a thing that he could do or say that will restore his credibility. What has Trump to be concerned about?
He sure makes a lot of noise on Twitter about it for someone who doesn't care. :zoinks:
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Frankly, I think the republicans act like a bunch of imbeciles. Not a single representative at yesterday's hearing managed to ask a pertinent question but several had duh moments. Right now, my favourite is Higgins (R), who gave cluelessness a face.
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Also Al... the Green New Deal is a proposal that is meant to take its time... not strictly enforce asap.
Didn't you hear about the 2020 proposal that other countries were planning 7 years ago or so? The idea was to make going green initiatives to be completed around that frame of time... places like San Fransisco, Vancouver, Oslo, and other cities using alternative energy to improve the climate, etc, etc.
If it's proposed early, I don't see why it's such a big deal to bitch about it.
The republicans are lying about what the Green New Deal means. Nobody's going to ban air traffic or cars or anything else. It's not what the proposal is about at all. But everything AOC stands for is a threat to the republicans and they fight her with everything they've got.
Odeon my dear fellow, the Republicans are getting backdoor payments from the corporations that disagree with the ideas of AOC, and Sanders... that's why they're against the ideas... it's the people that are pulling the strings to influence their opinions.
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If this country goes downhill it's the fault of the idiots that placed the "supreme orange man" in his position.
The Green deal?
The ever more radically Socialist Democrats?
Unprotected Southern border?
Bills proposed to kill babies when they are born?
There are much bigger concerns than Trump. What policies does he have and what actions that are bad or problematic and bad for the world? I don't care about words or personal proclivities. If you are struggling after two years to find anything REALLY bad then you need to look at some of the kind of shit above.
There are ways of improving the southern border without overhyping it! ::)
A wall is not going to do a damn thing to help the southern border issues.... they're needing to look at the tunnels that are below it!
The Socialist Democrats are nothing new, there's been a lot of Socialist ideals throughout the years in the states... Eugene Debbs, Upton Sinclair, both of those guys were around way before Sanders and AOC... Some socialism was used to bring the stuff that was of benefit after the Haymarket Square Riots, it's where the Americans have their 40 hour work weeks, benefits, unions (though the unions of today are a bit much), The shit that Trump and the GOP are doing is far worse than what the Socialist Democrats are proposing...
The whole thing of killing babies when they're born is somewhat over-hyped right now... because both sides cannot provide credible evidence to back their claims. Yes there are some cases where it happens in Bucharest back in the Soviet Era, or even in other countries...
What I do not understand is why it's necessary to take an extreme approach to get his point across... an approach that's been said and done for centuries... an approach that often leads to isolationism, and xenophobic tendencies.
What should matter as of right now is focusing on fixing the migrant problems, not demonizing people just because a select few do not take legal means to gain residential status and/or citizenship.
Should not build a wall because some people can build tunnels and some people will be able to find a way under the wall.
OR
Should build a wall to reduce the people that will walk straight across unwalled area without needing to go to the bother of building a tunnel
One of these makes more sense than the other when it comes to reducing unvetted illegal immigrants.
A wall shows a sign of hostility though... -_- :facepalm2:
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A wall isn't going to work 100% of the time... they'll find ways around it. They're not as dumb as he thinks they are.
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Think of the Wall as a Gun Free Zone in the states...
Would the person who wants to fuck things up with a gun follow the rules of a gun free zone? No, they wouldn't...
The Wall is like a Gun Free Zone, it's just a facade by a Con-man wanting to provide a false sense of security with something that isn't much of an issue.
The percentage of illegals from Mexico itself according to Pew statistics is lower than it was in 2007. It makes no sense to put something up that is proven not to work effectively.
The focus shouldn't just be on Mexico being the scapegoat, there are other nationalities that find ways of getting into the states...
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Also Al... the Green New Deal is a proposal that is meant to take its time... not strictly enforce asap.
Didn't you hear about the 2020 proposal that other countries were planning 7 years ago or so? The idea was to make going green initiatives to be completed around that frame of time... places like San Fransisco, Vancouver, Oslo, and other cities using alternative energy to improve the climate, etc, etc.
If it's proposed early, I don't see why it's such a big deal to bitch about it.
The republicans are lying about what the Green New Deal means. Nobody's going to ban air traffic or cars or anything else. It's not what the proposal is about at all. But everything AOC stands for is a threat to the republicans and they fight her with everything they've got.
Odeon my dear fellow, the Republicans are getting backdoor payments from the corporations that disagree with the ideas of AOC, and Sanders... that's why they're against the ideas... it's the people that are pulling the strings to influence their opinions.
Wouldn't surprise me in the least. It's a two-way street, though. They need each other.
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Also Al... the Green New Deal is a proposal that is meant to take its time... not strictly enforce asap.
Didn't you hear about the 2020 proposal that other countries were planning 7 years ago or so? The idea was to make going green initiatives to be completed around that frame of time... places like San Fransisco, Vancouver, Oslo, and other cities using alternative energy to improve the climate, etc, etc.
If it's proposed early, I don't see why it's such a big deal to bitch about it.
The republicans are lying about what the Green New Deal means. Nobody's going to ban air traffic or cars or anything else. It's not what the proposal is about at all. But everything AOC stands for is a threat to the republicans and they fight her with everything they've got.
Odeon my dear fellow, the Republicans are getting backdoor payments from the corporations that disagree with the ideas of AOC, and Sanders... that's why they're against the ideas... it's the people that are pulling the strings to influence their opinions.
Wouldn't surprise me in the least. It's a two-way street, though. They need each other.
Two-way street= Money + Power
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Gen, backdoor payments wouldn't surprise me at all. In fact it sounds like Trump copped it up the backdoor, metaphorically, from a certain North Korean dictator.
But both sides of politics are being openly corrupted through the front door anyway. Massive donations from the corporate sector are hardly "no strings attached". They are a reward for protecting the interests of those corporations and a holding deposit on future policy. And there's big consultancy fees and speaking fees and seats on the board for helpful politicians.
That is why they run fear campaigns. To distract us from this reality.
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I'm glad I still love humanity. Love always wins out in the end.
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Also Al... the Green New Deal is a proposal that is meant to take its time... not strictly enforce asap.
You obviously didn't read the text. She gave a 10 year timespan for most of these proposals.
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The republicans are lying about what the Green New Deal means. Nobody's going to ban air traffic or cars or anything else.
You obviously didn't read the text.
Domestic flights are to be replaced by high speed trains. All cars with internal combustion engines are to be replaced or converted to electric.
Farting cows are to be banned too. :rofl:
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Also Al... the Green New Deal is a proposal that is meant to take its time... not strictly enforce asap.
You obviously didn't read the text. She gave a 10 year timespan for most of these proposals.
10-year timespan still sounds like it still takes time.
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The republicans are lying about what the Green New Deal means. Nobody's going to ban air traffic or cars or anything else.
You obviously didn't read the text.
Domestic flights are to be replaced by high speed trains. All cars with internal combustion engines are to be replaced or converted to electric.
Farting cows are to be banned too. :rofl:
Misrepresenting what's in the text does not help your case, it just confirms what we already know about you.
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It is undoable.
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I’m annoyed with humanity.
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I’m annoyed with humanity.
People generally suck and so does life generally. Just not specifically.
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No wonder she always looks like she's squinting.
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No wonder she always looks like she's squinting.
For people who are so into Donald Trump, they fantasise about his dick and what it may look like.
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If I were American, I would definitely have this on my toilet rolls when guests come over.
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If I were American, I would definitely have this on my toilet rolls when guests come over.
I think that is hilarious.
I need the Pelosi equivalent at times, though.
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If I were American, I would definitely have this on my toilet rolls when guests come over.
For those who want to be close to Donald Trump
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Asshole on both sides.
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Just think how bad it could get if we forced all the stupid people to vote. :zoinks:
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Just think how bad it could get if we forced all the stupid people to vote. :zoinks:
Judging by who they vote for, the stupid people are already voting.
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I blame the elderly. :zoinks:
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Just think how bad it could get if we forced all the stupid people to vote. :zoinks:
This is one of the bigger problems with democracy.
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Just think how bad it could get if we forced all the stupid people to vote. :zoinks:
This is one of the bigger problems with democracy.
I blame the intellectuals for creating an establishment that allows for it. :zoinks:
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Stupid people tend to see the world in simple black-and-white terms and their prejudices are easy to manipulate. They tend to see politics as a team sport rather than as a complex set of issues.
Forcing the stupid people to vote is not the issue. They are already voting. And they are voting for other stupid people, or at least they are voting for politicians who understand how stupid people think.
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Stupid people tend to see the world in simple black-and-white terms and their prejudices are easy to manipulate. They tend to see politics as a team sport rather than as a complex set of issues.
Forcing the stupid people to vote is not the issue. They are already voting. And they are voting for other stupid people, or at least they are voting for politicians who understand how stupid people think.
I blame the laborers who sold their soul for a job. :zoinks:
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Just think how bad it could get if we forced all the stupid people to vote. :zoinks:
This is one of the bigger problems with democracy.
I blame the intellectuals for creating an establishment that allows for it. :zoinks:
It's a clever system. :zoinks:
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Just think how bad it could get if we forced all the stupid people to vote. :zoinks:
They would rather vote for Kylie Jenner's lips than actual candidates.
What's worse is that Kanye West is thinking of running -_-
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What's worse is that Kanye West is thinking of running -_-
Please no.
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Keeping Up With The Kardashians: White House Edition.
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If we're going to fight fire with fire and run another celebrity, then the democrats should run Tom Hanks. He's literally the most trusted person in America. Seriously, who wouldn't vote for Tom Hanks? :dunno:
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If it makes anyone feel better, Trump's approval rating has risen again to 46%. :zoinks:
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That's about as high as he'll get, isn't it?
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I don't know. Gallup started polling Trump's job approval 01/29/17 and even though it's only by one percentage point, this is the highest it's ever been. :dunno:
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Speaking of functionally retarded: https://edition.cnn.com/2019/05/04/opinions/trump-weekly-briefing-putin-phone-call-vinograd/index.html
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Epic whining today about Mueller testifying.
He's "innocent" right? Why so worried? :laugh:
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What's worse is that Kanye West is thinking of running -_-
Please no.
I know!!!!
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Epic whining today about Mueller testifying.
He's "innocent" right? Why so worried? :laugh:
I guess he's tired of winning. :P
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Epic whining today about Mueller testifying.
He's "innocent" right? Why so worried? :laugh:
I guess he's tired of winning. :P
Putin has the upper hand. He is this close to sinking Trump's Battleship
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He doesn't want to sink it. Trump is useful to him.
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He doesn't want to sink it. Trump is useful to him.
When he becomes not so useful or his head swells to the point where he becomes the disobedient servant...or someone else becomes more useful and he grows bored of playing the game...then I think the truth and all the tapes will come pouring out of Russia IMO.
I don't think he ever wanted to sink the ship...just rock the boat...and then sit back and laugh with the rest of the world about how half our country supported and worshiped this idiot and the futile attempts and struggles of the other half to regain our democracy and our sanity.
He never wanted to conquer, just divide...just playing a "friendly" game of chess...and he won. Game. Set. Match.
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He doesn't want to sink it. Trump is useful to him.
Battleship = credibility, even if it means not admitting that he is the right-hand bitch of a former KGB operative.
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He doesn't want to sink it. Trump is useful to him.
When he becomes not so useful or his head swells to the point where he becomes the disobedient servant...or someone else becomes more useful and he grows bored of playing the game...then I think the truth and all the tapes will come pouring out of Russia IMO.
I don't think he ever wanted to sink the ship...just rock the boat...and then sit back and laugh with the rest of the world about how half our country supported and worshiped this idiot and the futile attempts and struggles of the other half to regain our democracy and our sanity.
He never wanted to conquer, just divide...just playing a "friendly" game of chess...and he won. Game. Set. Match.
He's bound to be laughing like a loon. It's just too good to be true. His investment was probably tiny to begin with.
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I would be proud, too.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N5QI91aZFv0
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This thread reminds me of this movie scene.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cgKPNzJWNHk&app=desktop
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EInIEuNSMrI
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He doesn't want to sink it. Trump is useful to him.
Trump is REALLY useful to him, despite the fact that Trump:
1) Put Sanctions on Russia
2) Expelled hundreds of Russian diplomats
3) Bombed his allies (Syrian) Sold Javelin missiles to his enemies
4) Strengthened NATO
5) Became a solid competitor for energy
7) Castigated Germany for doing energy deals with Russia
Right? If you STILL believe this you are beyond ideological and are irredeemably stupid.
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He doesn't want to sink it. Trump is useful to him.
Trump is REALLY useful to him, despite the fact that Trump:
1) Put Sanctions on Russia
2) Expelled hundreds of Russian diplomats
3) Bombed his allies (Syrian) Sold Javelin missiles to his enemies
4) Strengthened NATO
5) Became a solid competitor for energy
7) Castigated Germany for doing energy deals with Russia
Right? If you STILL believe this you are beyond ideological and are irredeemably stupid.
:rofl:
You're hilarious.
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He doesn't want to sink it. Trump is useful to him.
Trump is REALLY useful to him, despite the fact that Trump:
1) Put Sanctions on Russia
2) Expelled hundreds of Russian diplomats
3) Bombed his allies (Syrian) Sold Javelin missiles to his enemies
4) Strengthened NATO
5) Became a solid competitor for energy
7) Castigated Germany for doing energy deals with Russia
Right? If you STILL believe this you are beyond ideological and are irredeemably stupid.
:rofl:
You're hilarious.
you are beyond ideological and are irredeemably stupid.
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Please stay, Al. We all need the laugh.
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Please stay, Al. We all need the laugh.
No, you NEED the membership, but you are fucking useless and just banned one of the longest and most active members. Right Odeon? Admit it, you are a loser.
As for me i returned to reply to a pm from Scrap i saw he posted to me.
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No, you NEED the membership
Pig's still here, if that's any comfort. I just saw him online. Guess what he was doing? :zoinks:
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No, you NEED the membership
Pig's still here, if that's any comfort. I just saw him online. Guess what he was doing? :zoinks:
Wasn't reading a profile was he?
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Please stay, Al. We all need the laugh.
No, you NEED the membership, but you are fucking useless and just banned one of the longest and most active members. Right Odeon? Admit it, you are a loser.
As for me i returned to reply to a pm from Scrap i saw he posted to me.
Keep telling yourself that. :laugh:
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Please stay, Al. We all need the laugh.
No, you NEED the membership, but you are fucking useless and just banned one of the longest and most active members. Right Odeon? Admit it, you are a loser.
As for me i returned to reply to a pm from Scrap i saw he posted to me.
Keep telling yourself that. :laugh:
Telling myself what exactly? That you need membership and losing or banning members that you have whilst not replacing them, when there are fuck all here....?
Maybe keep telling myself you are a loser?
Maybe you meant keep telling yourself you came back to reply to Scrap asking me where online i hung out to catch up? Why? Because you doubt i received that PM to reply to?
Another member could verify that if i needed to verify to. I don't, of course, because i am talking to you but then again you are a slug.
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So that's a "no"?
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Please stay, Al. We all need the laugh.
No, you NEED the membership, but you are fucking useless and just banned one of the longest and most active members. Right Odeon? Admit it, you are a loser.
As for me i returned to reply to a pm from Scrap i saw he posted to me.
Let us get this straight. Are you saying that Scraps actions should be tolerated? Is this just because he gave you a reach around or because you hate Odeon and think he doesn't qualify for the sort of protection from this sort of crap that anyone else should expect? Or do you really think that it's no big deal. Slippery slope there Al.
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Please stay, Al. We all need the laugh.
No, you NEED the membership, but you are fucking useless and just banned one of the longest and most active members. Right Odeon? Admit it, you are a loser.
As for me i returned to reply to a pm from Scrap i saw he posted to me.
Let us get this straight. Are you saying that Scraps actions should be tolerated? Is this just because he gave you a reach around or because you hate Odeon and think he doesn't qualify for the sort of protection from this sort of crap that anyone else should expect? Or do you really think that it's no big deal. Slippery slope there Al.
I am saying Odeon's actions over the last few years ONLY if you adopt the idea that he can do whatever he likes it is his forum.
In that respect he can be the slug he is and lie, be an easily triggered butthurt child and fight as a member up to the point he is butthurt and then sinbins or uses mod and admin tools to fight back.
I don't know but it strikes me that Scrap's emnity with odeon is as a result of odeon being rhe slug his is and choices Odeon made.
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Please stay, Al. We all need the laugh.
No, you NEED the membership, but you are fucking useless and just banned one of the longest and most active members. Right Odeon? Admit it, you are a loser.
As for me i returned to reply to a pm from Scrap i saw he posted to me.
Let us get this straight. Are you saying that Scraps actions should be tolerated? Is this just because he gave you a reach around or because you hate Odeon and think he doesn't qualify for the sort of protection from this sort of crap that anyone else should expect? Or do you really think that it's no big deal. Slippery slope there Al.
I am saying Odeon's actions over the last few years ONLY if you adopt the idea that he can do whatever he likes it is his forum.
In that respect he can be the slug he is and lie, be an easily triggered butthurt child and fight as a member up to the point he is butthurt and then sinbins or uses mod and admin tools to fight back.
I don't know but it strikes me that Scrap's emnity with odeon is as a result of odeon being rhe slug his is and choices Odeon made.
In other words, you don't condemn the actions of Scrap.
You are wrong on this Al. Dead wrong. There is no room here for you or I to insert our subjective opinions on whether Odeon deserved to have his friends and his personal life fucked with on the basis of his alleged misuse of moderator buttons.
Forum bullshit and forum drama stays on the forum. End of story. You've been on the receiving end of forum drama crossing over into real life before, was that acceptable to you? Maybe some people will say that you deserved it and had it coming for a variety of reasons that they thought were valid.
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Please stay, Al. We all need the laugh.
No, you NEED the membership, but you are fucking useless and just banned one of the longest and most active members. Right Odeon? Admit it, you are a loser.
As for me i returned to reply to a pm from Scrap i saw he posted to me.
Let us get this straight. Are you saying that Scraps actions should be tolerated? Is this just because he gave you a reach around or because you hate Odeon and think he doesn't qualify for the sort of protection from this sort of crap that anyone else should expect? Or do you really think that it's no big deal. Slippery slope there Al.
I am saying Odeon's actions over the last few years ONLY if you adopt the idea that he can do whatever he likes it is his forum.
In that respect he can be the slug he is and lie, be an easily triggered butthurt child and fight as a member up to the point he is butthurt and then sinbins or uses mod and admin tools to fight back.
I don't know but it strikes me that Scrap's emnity with odeon is as a result of odeon being rhe slug his is and choices Odeon made.
In other words, you don't condemn the actions of Scrap.
You are wrong on this Al. Dead wrong. There is no room here for you or I to insert our subjective opinions on whether Odeon deserved to have his friends and his personal life fucked with on the basis of his alleged misuse of moderator buttons.
Forum bullshit and forum drama stays on the forum. End of story. You've been on the receiving end of forum drama crossing over into real life before, was that acceptable to you? Maybe some people will say that you deserved it and had it coming for a variety of reasons that they thought were valid.
Being that you have seen what i have posted about what i think about people getting on Facebook and doing whatever they did to Odeon, you don't need to be trying to translate something said about that here. Already addressed in other posts not here.
So, no. "In other words" you misread pretty much everything you read.
The world must be a confusing and horrifying place for you. How you find your way out ofthe house to go to work, i have no idea.
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Referring vaguely to other posts you supposedly made won't help you Al. State your position or show us where you claim to have done so.
/edit: Okay, found it for you. Your words here, not mine. Has your stated position changed since you posted this?
I do not much care if Scrap did it or did not do it or advised or arranged or dare or encouraged someone to do it or if some random did it to be random. None of that rocks my world because it is Odeon and it is Facebook. Why the fuck should I care?".
Bold mine.
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Al was never particularly consistent. But we knew that already.
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Referring vaguely to other posts you supposedly made won't help you Al. State your position or show us where you claim to have done so.
/edit: Okay, found it for you. Your words here, not mine. Has your stated position changed since you posted this?
I do not much care if Scrap did it or did not do it or advised or arranged or dare or encouraged someone to do it or if some random did it to be random. None of that rocks my world because it is Odeon and it is Facebook. Why the fuck should I care?".
Bold mine.
I just got a message on FB from Scrap, saying he's been banned from I2. Is this true?
Yes.
This may be controversial, but IMO it was justified. Not because of the shitty question here, but because he or someone who wanted to create drama on his behalf, went to Facebook immediately after he was sinbinned here, and started messing with Odeon's IRL friends. I think that crosses the line.
I stand by my comments BUT obviously that kind of behaviour is really below the belt. I think both can be looked at seperately.
Odeon's behaviour over years has been terrible.
Whoever messed with Odeon's friends is abhorrent for their behaviour in that period.
Neither is good.
I feel no pity for Odeon because i do not like him BUT if anyone asked me whether that was good, necessary, warranted or whatever, i would have said "Over him being an impotent admin and loser on a forum?"
It seems both unneccesary and over-exaggerated.
I do not know who did that or why. Not either surprised, concern or troubled by it. Its pretty dumb. Odeon is a shitheel and not worth the effort.
Get it right, MOSW.
Now back to your accusation
In other words, you don't condemn the actions of Scrap.
You are wrong on this Al. Dead wrong. There is no room here for you or I to insert our subjective opinions on whether Odeon deserved to have his friends and his personal life fucked with on the basis of his alleged misuse of moderator buttons.
Forum bullshit and forum drama stays on the forum. End of story. You've been on the receiving end of forum drama crossing over into real life before, was that acceptable to you? Maybe some people will say that you deserved it and had it coming for a variety of reasons that they thought were valid.
Care to revise this?
Now a word from a garden variety slug
Al was never particularly consistent. But we knew that already.
Hmmm....enlightening. No, not really. It was stupid, dishonest and redundant. Par for the course, Odeon.
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Your exact words. Quoted above. By me. With bold added. By me.
You have also been highly critical of Scraps banning. In this very thread.
No need to revise anything.
Which is your actual position? And do you condemn your little friend's actions? And do you support the ban? And did you shoot JFK?
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Your exact words. Quoted above. By me. With bold added. By me.
You have also been highly critical of Scraps banning. In this very thread.
No need to revise anything.
Which is your actual position? And do you condemn your little friend's actions? And do you support the ban? And did you shoot JFK?
I had quoted my words too. In fact if someone were NOT an idiot of the highest order you know what they may have well done? (That was a trick question. You are an idiot of the highest order and have not the faintest idea as to what they would do or think).
What they may have well done is seen me addressing things sequentially. If I addressed (as I did) and this was the first thing I wrote AFTER it was announced why Scrap was banned
I stand by my comments BUT obviously that kind of behaviour is really below the belt. I think both can be looked at seperately.
Odeon's behaviour over years has been terrible.
Whoever messed with Odeon's friends is abhorrent for their behaviour in that period.
Neither is good.
I feel no pity for Odeon because i do not like him BUT if anyone asked me whether that was good, necessary, warranted or whatever, i would have said "Over him being an impotent admin and loser on a forum?"
It seems both unneccesary and over-exaggerated.
I do not know who did that or why. Not either surprised, concern or troubled by it. Its pretty dumb. Odeon is a shitheel and not worth the effort
So let's take stock.
I CAN look at Odeon's behaviour and the Facebook culprit separately. This is kind of important isn't it? It means that addressing Odeon and addressing them need not be bound together and I can critique Odeon and Odeon's behaviour without a need to keep addressing whoever the hell it was who did whatever on Facebook. Your want to hash it out need not demand I follow suit?
I know you don't get it but that is because you are stupid....really, really, really stupid,.
So this first post from when Py informed us why Scrap was banned.
obviously that kind of behaviour is really below the belt. I think both can be looked at seperately.
Whoever messed with Odeon's friends is abhorrent for their behaviour
if anyone asked me whether that was good, necessary, warranted or whatever, i would have said "Over him being an impotent admin and loser on a forum?"
It seems both unneccesary and over-exaggerated.
Odeon is a shitheel and not worth the effort
I made it pretty fucking clear for anyone who was not an idiot of the highest order exactly what I thought of someone who did this AND I made it clear that I was happy to look at Odeon's poor conduct and whoever did this abhorrent thing separately.
So your answer to THIS is to say that I am both inconsistent and quoted some shitty things about Odeon's conduct AFTER I had laid this out.
You ARE an idiot. Do you want to clarify anything else? By the way Odeon is an idiot and there is probably a reason why he pisses people off enough to have them fuck with him so much. Terrible of those people to do that but to build such as enmity to motivate people to fuck with you in real life is possibly not simply bad luck. Maybe bad luck once. I personally would not have thought he was worth it. Odeon is just a slug.
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I'm only seeing one idiot here Al. That would be the idiot who posts enormous tracts of contradictory word salad and supports another idiot who takes forum crap into meatspace.
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I'm only seeing one idiot here Al. That would be the idiot who posts enormous tracts of contradictory word salad and supports another idiot who takes forum crap into meatspace.
No critical reasoning skills in you MOSW. You are too stupid to argue with.
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In other words you're saying that you did shoot JFK.
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In other words you're saying that you did shoot JFK.
There we go
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Al is one of those internet tough guys who, once butthurt over something or the other, can never let go.
(http://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/duty_calls.png)
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Al is one of those internet tough guys who, once butthurt over something or the other, can never let go.
(http://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/duty_calls.png)
Sorry were you just saying you are so butthurt you are unable to argue on the forum without too frequently using the sinbin or that mod in retaliation for hurting your feelings?
You must have been
Butthurt and internet tough guy? That is you slug, take a bow.
Hey, let me extend an olive branch by telling you a joke. Stop me if you heard it:
I know a guy who is so butthurt that after someone impersonated him on Failbook he got triggered and threw a fit, tried to get the internet police, threatened and banned a 12 year member on his site, took a break from his forum to recuperate from injured feelings and then came back to the forum and ......
.........
.........tried to tell someone else that THEY were butthurt.
Fucking hysterical isn't it? What a loser. What a slug.
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Your walls of text provide all the proof I need. I'm sure shrinks have a label for that sort of thing.
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Your walls of text provide all the proof I need. I'm sure shrinks have a label for that sort of thing.
Is that who you went to after your Failbook impersonator upset you. Did you point on a doll where your internet feelings were hurt? Did you tell him that the internet police ignored you and laughed and that made you feel impotent and less of a man? Were you butthurt and triggered?
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You're sort of like Donald Trump. "Failbook"? Please tell me you don't have a Twitter account.
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You're sort of like Donald Trump. "Failbook"? Please tell me you don't have a Twitter account.
YOU mean of Swedish-German-Scottish heritage? 6'2" height? American Nationality? A Billionaire? A President? A Hotel Owner? A Grandfather? Husband to a Supermodel? Head of a vast Corporation? Ex-Reality Star?
Yes I am "sort of like Trump". Great call slug.
DO I have a Twitter account? I presume because Trump has a Twitter account? The two social medias he has and uses to bypass Fake News is Twitter and Facebook. You have Facebook and I have Twitter (though I do not have people I pissed off trying to fuck with me on Twitter). I hardly post in Twitter. I check in every few days and look at notifications. It is a hoot. I don't have Facebook. Do YOU find Facebook a hoot? Word is you don't. Facebook has been being you down lately, hasn't it?
Good news. If use have Facebook and Trump has Facebook, then you are sort of like Trump and Trump keeps winning. o you will start winning and not be the loser you are now.
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You're getting more cringe-worthy every day now, Al.
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You're getting more cringe-worthy every day now, Al.
You are devolving, slug
Out of interest, did the internet police take you seriously?
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They couldn't stop laughing when they saw your posts.
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They couldn't stop laughing when they saw your posts.
I don't post on Facebook.
Your friends do and so do you. They, no doubt, laugh at your posts.
Did the internet police give much gravity to the facebook drama? Did they have the decency not to laugh and call you a little bitch to your face
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odeot: you're a gay boy. Go post on Reddit.
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They couldn't stop laughing when they saw your posts.
I don't post on Facebook.
No, you get laughed at here.
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odeot: you're a gay boy. Go post on Reddit.
Did they touch you inappropriately when you were locked in? Did you bend over for the soap? Was there shame?
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I still am locked in you fucking mong.
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They couldn't stop laughing when they saw your posts.
I don't post on Facebook.
No, you get laughed at here.
You got the internet police from Facebook to come here and look at my posts from 3 months before.
Are you trying to be ridiculous?
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I still am locked in you fucking mong.
Gee, wondering what the reason might be.
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They couldn't stop laughing when they saw your posts.
I don't post on Facebook.
No, you get laughed at here.
You got the internet police from Facebook to come here and look at my posts from 3 months before.
Are you trying to be ridiculous?
What's so hard about understanding that they laugh at you here - where you do sometimes post - and not on Facebook? I know you're a bit dense but this is about as far from rocket science as you get.
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I still am locked in you fucking mong.
No idea what this means?
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In hospital. When I get out, I am set up for life.
And he is a fucking mong.
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In hospital. When I get out, I am set up for life.
And he is a fucking mong.
No argument from me that Odeon is an asshat.
In hospital? No bloody good. Hope you are on the mend. Hospital suck arse.
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My life will be delicious. So will be the woman.
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https://www.huffpost.com/entry/trump-dictators-jim-acosta-reporters_n_5d17fee4e4b07f6ca57e7974
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https://www.huffpost.com/entry/trump-dictators-jim-acosta-reporters_n_5d17fee4e4b07f6ca57e7974
Your point?
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An actual on-topic post. The retard in the white house, etc.
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Trump is better than the alternative.
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Actually, having that place empty for the next two years would be better.
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Actually, having that place empty for the next two years would be better.
Interesting. A joke answer said by the punchline
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English, please.
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English, please.
You are the punchline of a joke you can't understand
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You know what they say about jokes that fail? You have to explain them.
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You know what they say about jokes that fail? You have to explain them.
Some say that I am sure. Others just laugh and shake our heads at the confused who do not get that they were the joke. That is you now. You are the joke. You are the one being laughed and at and thinking that someone is going to explain it to them.
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Says the person who's incapable of making sense even when limiting himself to one paragraph.
But thanks for that anyway. I appreciate the effort.
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Says the person who's incapable of making sense even when limiting himself to one paragraph.
But thanks for that anyway. I appreciate the effort.
Good chat
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You should talk to Tequila. You have a lot in common.
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You should talk to Tequila. You have a lot in common.
You should speak to the internet police again and let the tears flow.
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You keep on ranting about this internet police thing. You do know that there is no such thing, right?
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You keep on ranting about this internet police thing. You do know that there is no such thing, right?
* **** "....and the crowd laughs at Odeon's fumbles" ****
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You keep on ranting about this internet police thing. You do know that there is no such thing, right?
Police, then military intelligence.
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"Military intelligence"? Isn't that a contradiction in terms?
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"Military intelligence"? Isn't that a contradiction in terms?
It's really who knows who and what they know. You don't want to piss off Government intelligence agencies.
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"Military intelligence"? Isn't that a contradiction in terms?
If it was Sweden wouldn't exist.
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Nah. We're saved by the fact that the morons are evenly spread.
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https://finance.yahoo.com/news/45-is-a-puppet-can-you-spot-the-mistakes-in-the-fake-presidential-seal-behind-trump-152432083.html?soc_src=social-sh&soc_trk=tw
Thank heaven for the trolls.
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Hilarious. :laugh:
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(https://i.imgflip.com/37qdhe.jpg)
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:lol1:
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maybe he/she is a part of pussy power
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(https://i.imgur.com/P8Lntx3.png)
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(https://thefederalistpapers.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/09/TrumpMagic.jpg)
This one actually makes him sound pretty smart.
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That's why it isn't funny. It isn't believable. :P
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Trump is sulking and won't visit Denmark after they said no to him buying Greenland.
I totally think Denmark should offer to buy Maryland.
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I especially love how Trump lies about the numbers.
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Jon McNaughton is a pro-trump artist that often paints Trump in various scenes...he just released his latest titled "The Masterpiece"
(https://i.imgur.com/X8nBv7qm.jpg)
...and Twitter did, what Twitter does best... :laugh:
(https://i.imgur.com/HYmHTppm.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/98iBILKm.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/byYP9hom.jpg)
...more here:
https://twitter.com/hunterschwarz/status/1163841735908368384
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:laugh: They're all funny. I love the Hitler one the most!
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https://mobile.twitter.com/Mombity/status/1163870003428335616/photo/1
https://mobile.twitter.com/Komrad_Iron/status/1163855026487537664/photo/1
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(http://gph.is/2jKXxYf)
Jan
@JaniceMKenney1
"Dear God he can't even spell the word cat, I give up !"
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(https://miro.medium.com/max/1200/1*TEzlP8quy_BJH3Ae97IupQ.png)
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(https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRNuKxsu4fomg-YB_eHn8AjZ9uphthjBhH_ExEKDLUKKObg7-3y)
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(http://www.billslinksandmore.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/05/Trump-Hitler-Meme-from-Pinterest.jpg)
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Actually Trump isn't a lot like Hitler, apart from riding to power on a wave of right-wing populism and stirring up racist hatred.
Hitler took a struggling country and turned it into a world power. Trump is doing the polar opposite of that. Hitler served in the military, Trump famously dodged military service.
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Actually Trump isn't a lot like Hitler, apart from riding to power on a wave of right-wing populism and stirring up racist hatred.
Hitler took a struggling country and turned it into a world power. Trump is doing the polar opposite of that. Hitler served in the military, Trump famously dodged military service.
Ah. So Trump is a wishy-washy feeble version of Hitler. A Hitler bullock , you might say.
so...yippee! the rest of the world can breathe easy....? :apondering:
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I really I wish I was a medieval ruler and could send that MF's head to Tower Bridge and send his body to Hawaii to throw into Mauna Loa.
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And now he's The Chosen One. Seriously?
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And now he's The Chosen One. Seriously?
Apparently. :P
The chosen idiot.
Isn't the "Chosen One" supposed to be sacrificed to the volcano to appease an angry god?
Wasn't that normally the movie plot?
One can only hope I guess.
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And now he's The Chosen One. Seriously?
Apparently. :P
The chosen idiot.
Isn't the "Chosen One" supposed to be sacrificed to the volcano to appease an angry god?
Wasn't that normally the movie plot?
One can only hope I guess.
One of the very few sacrifices that would actually help the entire globe.
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And now he's The Chosen One. Seriously?
Apparently. :P
The chosen idiot.
Isn't the "Chosen One" supposed to be sacrificed to the volcano to appease an angry god?
Wasn't that normally the movie plot?
One can only hope I guess.
One of the very few sacrifices that would actually help the entire globe.
I look for more and more high profile Republicans to come forward and throw him under the bus before election time in order to redeem themselves while our economy (that is doing soo well ::)) edges closer to "crash and burn".
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And now he's The Chosen One. Seriously?
Seemed to be said more sarcastically than seriously. Though the notion of political leaders being chosen by god isn't new, nor has it dissipated in modern times as much a people might think it would have. That's probably why it triggered people so much. He's a provocateur, so seriously in the sense of intentionally is likely.
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He can't be the Chosen One. TCO is supposed to
Put his/her life on the line for the community. He can't walk the line because of his bone spurs.
Be intelligent. Enough said.
A virgin or at least pure. Ditto.
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But...but...let's be logical about this. There's only one of him right? and the people of America chose him, didn't they? or the Kremlin did. Or somebody.
Therefore, he's the Chosen One.
Or one of the chosen ones (AKA ghastly mistakes) at least.
(You shoulda mentioned that virginity criterion to the voters , IMHO)
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Wouldn't be surprised if a comment like that put off some of his Christian supporters, since within the Christian context the chosen one is Jesus.
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And now he's The Chosen One. Seriously?
Seemed to be said more sarcastically than seriously. Though the notion of political leaders being chosen by god isn't new, nor has it dissipated in modern times as much a people might think it would have. That's probably why it triggered people so much. He's a provocateur, so seriously in the sense of intentionally is likely.
The fact that he does it shows that he isn't particularly self-aware, in spite of being the biggest ego around.
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Conservative Republican Joe Walsh just announced he's throwing his hat in the ring in a bid to challenge the president.
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But without trump in power, who will nuke the hurricanes into submission?
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But without trump in power, who will nuke the hurricanes into submission?
We won't need nukes, we can just drop him into the eye of the hurricane and the resulting vortex from that ever growing black hole in his head should dissipate the storm.
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^or turn it into the biggest twister ever :zombiefuck:
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But without trump in power, who will nuke the hurricanes into submission?
Maybe his thinking is that dropping a nuke into a hurricane will give it the ultimate blow (up) job.
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If he is the "so-called second coming" might I suggest finding ways of annoying him even more? You know... just so his evangelical fanboys can see how much of a "dotard" he really is.
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His fanboys wouldn't see it regardless. Trump's been doing his bs for years, long before he lost the popular vote, but they just won't see it.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gW2SEpWWqXM
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^LMAO :plus:
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:lol1:
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:rofl:
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:lol1:
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:agreed: :lol1:
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:rofl:
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pr0wdyMhhf8
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It's funny how people are so used to the orange idiot that nobody bothers to comment anymore when he's merely insulting someone on Twitter.
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It's funny how people are so used to the orange idiot that nobody bothers to comment anymore when he's merely insulting someone on Twitter.
Because it happens daily. Wait til election day they are not so used to losing elections to Trump. It only happened once and it was funny then. This time will be funny as fuck.
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https://www.nytimes.com/2019/10/04/opinion/trump-china-ukraine-corruption.html
With a little help from my friends.
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:laugh:
His wisdom is truly unmatched. Thankfully.
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The orange faced shit gibbon and his supporters are truly deplorable and despicable. Sucking the dicks of dictators and racist/bigots. their arrogance and stupidity sicken me. Karma is coming and I hope it's soon!
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And he has this to say after setting US allies up to be slaughtered. Good luck next time you need their help.
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And he has this to say after setting US allies up to be slaughtered. Good luck next time you need their help.
Will anybody trust us or our "government"........I doubt it!
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Not one led by Trump, no.
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Joke's on him. I've never trusted America.
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Trump is an exception to my usual indifference because he is consistently wrong and he is consistently lying.
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Well this place is rocking, activity-wise.
Lets be REAL about what happened in Syria.
Turkey was unhappy and irrespective of America having troops there or being a NATO, they were coming in and in force. So Trump had three choices.
1) Fight against a NATO ally and start a war with Turkey and face fallout in NATO probably causing the destruction of the treaty. Imagine what you two would have said about THAT.
2) Fight with their NATO partner AGAINST the Kurds. Can you imagine what you guys would have said about that?
3) Pull out and allow Kurds to fight for their own lands and make allegiances and allies in the area AND stop propagating ongoing wars and bring troops home?
Choose one. If you can't you are not being honest.
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If you can't imagine a strategy where the most powerful cheetoh on the planet doesn't leave his staunch allies to be slaughtered, then you are not being honest.
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If you can't imagine a strategy where the most powerful cheetoh on the planet doesn't leave his staunch allies to be slaughtered, then you are not being honest.
Name it. Go ahead. You have three choices before you.
https://twitter.com/jseldin/status/1187038440627552257/photo/1
What is your understanding of the Syria situation do you believe this Syrian General ha a better appreciation of it than you?
The question again is being honest, which of the three choices was the better one?
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Bollocks. You think the most powerful man on the planet is restricted to the 3 choices you pulled out of your arse?
Like I said, a decent leader, a decent human being, would find a way that did not involve leaving his allies to be slaughtered and his country's reputation further diminished. Even his own party knows that.
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Name it.
Diplomacy was not working and the threat of sanctions didn't. That left three options.
The Turkish are allies through NATO.
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Worst LAN party ever.
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Trump could simply have told the Turks to kiss his big fat orange butt. The Kurds were his fierce allies.
Now Erodogan is forbidding Trump from talking to the Kurds. Erodogan thinks Trump is his bitch now.
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In addition to being Putin's bitch. They seem to take turns.
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Trump could simply have told the Turks to kiss his big fat orange butt. The Kurds were his fierce allies.
Now Erodogan is forbidding Trump from talking to the Kurds. Erodogan thinks Trump is his bitch now.
Who gives a fuck what Erodogan thinks?
Here is the play by play for you.
Trump says "Kiss my orange butt"
They invade as they were always going to do.
Turkey "generally" try to avoid the limited troops but have orders that they are allowed to defend themselves and if US troops get themselves in the way its their fault.
In being in that area and trying to back up the Turks, US take casualties.
Trump reinforces troops and sends in air support.
They are at war. Unsanctioned war.
Russia comes to back up Turkey
In Europe there is outrage that US attacked a NATO partner and ally. Animus against Trump doesn't factor Turkey's actions because the Kurds are not NATO allies.
NATO disbanded as US withdraws.
The border becomes irrelevabt as the war spills over Syrian borders into Turkey.
Trumps allies and supporters reject his getting into another expensive war. Neo-cons love it secretly but hate Trump so condemn him whilst saying the war must go on. He is booted out of the office and the World gets Mike Pence as President.
Come election time Democrats sweep in.
Recession hits.
Democrats in rebuke of Trump's War, withdraw from the region and tip their hat back at European ex-NATO allies.
Al Bagdadi makes strategic alliances and in the Chaos and anti-American sentiment ISIS makes a comeback.
Meanwhile at I2 Odeon and MOSW both condemn Trump fighting for the Kurds and support Democrats for leaving the area.
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If Trump had a brain and some balls he could have taken note of the build-up of Turkish troops, and made a very public announcement that his troops would continue to stand shoulder to shoulder with the Kurds. And that any attack on the Kurds that impacted his troops would be treated as a deliberate act of war against the United States.
Turkey would then need to choose whether to go to start a war with a NATO ally, who also happens to be a superpower. The US would not be breaking the NATO treaty, it would be Turkey.
I would hate to see Istanbul get carpet bombed. One of the great cities of history, with many irreplaceable buildings.
But yeah, ask yourself, would you personally stand shoulder to shoulder with a brave ally that you had been fighting alongside for years? Or would you leave them to be slaughtered now that you had largely defeated your common enemy? I am confident that you aren't the kind of guy who would do the latter (and it pains me to admit that because I think you're a prick). But Trump? What sort of character does that display?
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If Trump had a brain and some balls he could have taken note of the build-up of Turkish troops, and made a very public announcement that his troops would continue to stand shoulder to shoulder with the Kurds. And that any attack on the Kurds that impacted his troops would be treated as a deliberate act of war against the United States.
Turkey would then need to choose whether to go to start a war with a NATO ally, who also happens to be a superpower. The US would not be breaking the NATO treaty, it would be Turkey.
I would hate to see Istanbul get carpet bombed. One of the great cities of history, with many irreplaceable buildings.
But yeah, ask yourself, would you personally stand shoulder to shoulder with a brave ally that you had been fighting alongside for years? Or would you leave them to be slaughtered now that you had largely defeated your common enemy? I am confident that you aren't the kind of guy who would do the latter (and it pains me to admit that because I think you're a prick). But Trump? What sort of character does that display?
I am a prick, that is hardly a groundshaking assertion
Turkey was not happy and they were coming over regardless. So your solution is to put more US soldiers at the border for.....forever I guess.
And so.....when Turkey does come across the border....
They invade as they were always going to do.
Turkey "generally" try to avoid the limited troops but have orders that they are allowed to defend themselves and if US troops get themselves in the way its their fault.
In being in that area and trying to back up the Turks, US take casualties.
Trump reinforces troops and sends in air support.
They are at war. Unsanctioned war.
Russia comes to back up Turkey
In Europe there is outrage that US attacked a NATO partner and ally. Animus against Trump doesn't factor Turkey's actions because the Kurds are not NATO allies.
NATO disbanded as US withdraws.
The border becomes irrelevabt as the war spills over Syrian borders into Turkey.
Trumps allies and supporters reject his getting into another expensive war. Neo-cons love it secretly but hate Trump so condemn him whilst saying the war must go on. He is booted out of the office and the World gets Mike Pence as President.
Come election time Democrats sweep in.
Recession hits.
Democrats in rebuke of Trump's War, withdraw from the region and tip their hat back at European ex-NATO allies.
Al Bagdadi makes strategic alliances and in the Chaos and anti-American sentiment ISIS makes a comeback.
Meanwhile at I2 Odeon and MOSW both condemn Trump fighting for the Kurds and support Democrats for leaving the area.
I do not think you addressed anything.
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You're such an imbecile, Al. But then I knew that and shouldn't have bothered to read your post in the first place. I blame having been away from here.
Erdogan and Turkey would not have crossed the border if Trump hadn't OK'd it. You know this. It doesn't matter that there were so few of them, he wouldn't have dared. You're being dishonest but then, it's what you do.
The world of the orange idiot is so weird, though, that nobody's bothering to think about this now. It's the new normal for the US. Who cares about the Kurds now?
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Wondering how the Republicans will respond. Denial is king, I know, but how far can they take it?
In any sane world there would be no need for impeachment hearings.
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Trump and his enablers are the cancer eating away at our democracy. He exposes the racist, sexist, fascist side of our right wing conservatives. The jerk vigilante, magatard, gunaholics, eugenicists, anti-semites, fundie extremists, anti-immigrants (My ancestors were among them) to the max. There's a reason I refer to him as trumpolini, bombastic, vain, and encouraging extreme violence against dissidents. He and his followers make me sick. Like his followers here on I2.
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Trump is the symptom of the cancer that is eating away at your democracy. And our democracy. And many other democracies.
The cancer is neoliberalism. If you haven't already done so, look for "Requiem for the American Dream" on YouTube.
Right wing populism is the secondary cancer, driven by the inequality and hopelessness created by neoliberalism, and enabled by the idiots who fall for it.
The so-called left is also a cancer, a political movement that long ago abandoned the working class and embraced neoliberalism. Identity politics isn't the problem with the left, it's representative of the fact that they have nothing else left to stand for (apart from not being as bad as Trump and other prominent Republicans).
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I'm a bit of a centrist and social democrat. I am repulsed by the extremists on either side. I am also an atheist with buddhist leanings. Though saying that could open up a :CanofWorms: considering the way some countries use Buddhism. Like Myanmar and it's own version of ethnic cleansing. Neoliberalism and neoconservatism are opposite sides of the same counterfeit coin. I despise both.
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Trump is the symptom of the cancer that is eating away at your democracy. And our democracy. And many other democracies.
The cancer is neoliberalism. If you haven't already done so, look for "Requiem for the American Dream" on YouTube.
Right wing populism is the secondary cancer, driven by the inequality and hopelessness created by neoliberalism, and enabled by the idiots who fall for it.
The so-called left is also a cancer, a political movement that long ago abandoned the working class and embraced neoliberalism. Identity politics isn't the problem with the left, it's representative of the fact that they have nothing else left to stand for (apart from not being as bad as Trump and other prominent Republicans).
What we centrists must do is find a way to balance the two sides.
We never want to have one side win "everything," but a common sense balance of each side winning all the "big" issues at the end of the day.
I know I seem to lean right, but not so much as to believe any of the moronic crap you directed me to a few weeks back. I do believe that each should care for their own and take care of their neighbors. Be prepared to protect your own interests, not call 911 and wait for Johnny Law to show up after all is done smoldering and take names which will only go into a file to be forgotten.
We NEED a balance of efforts to surface from the mix. All I see these days is more bubbles popping up in the mix of politics, finger pointing, accusations and no solutions.
I was raised that when you go to your boss with a problem, you should bring a solution to the problem. Do not just assess blame and try to beat out your opponents. Bring a solution!
I do not see that happening, these days.
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I'm a bit of a centrist and social democrat. I am repulsed by the extremists on either side. I am also an atheist with buddhist leanings. Though saying that could open up a :CanofWorms: considering the way some countries use Buddhism. Like Myanmar and it's own version of ethnic cleansing. Neoliberalism and neoconservatism are opposite sides of the same counterfeit coin. I despise both.
Neoliberalism has nothing to do with what Americans refer to as "Liberals", and is not the opposite of neoconservatism.
Neoliberalism is where everyone and everything serves the market.
I support social democracy as well. We used to have that here in Australia to a large extent, but we have drifted away from it thanks to neoliberalism.
All that said, the political centre is where all the real extremists are these days.
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Trump is the symptom of the cancer that is eating away at your democracy. And our democracy. And many other democracies.
The cancer is neoliberalism. If you haven't already done so, look for "Requiem for the American Dream" on YouTube.
Right wing populism is the secondary cancer, driven by the inequality and hopelessness created by neoliberalism, and enabled by the idiots who fall for it.
The so-called left is also a cancer, a political movement that long ago abandoned the working class and embraced neoliberalism. Identity politics isn't the problem with the left, it's representative of the fact that they have nothing else left to stand for (apart from not being as bad as Trump and other prominent Republicans).
What we centrists must do is find a way to balance the two sides.
We never want to have one side win "everything," but a common sense balance of each side winning all the "big" issues at the end of the day.
I know I seem to lean right, but not so much as to believe any of the moronic crap you directed me to a few weeks back. I do believe that each should care for their own and take care of their neighbors. Be prepared to protect your own interests, not call 911 and wait for Johnny Law to show up after all is done smoldering and take names which will only go into a file to be forgotten.
We NEED a balance of efforts to surface from the mix. All I see these days is more bubbles popping up in the mix of politics, finger pointing, accusations and no solutions.
I was raised that when you go to your boss with a problem, you should bring a solution to the problem. Do not just assess blame and try to beat out your opponents. Bring a solution!
I do not see that happening, these days.
Even though you are a conservative and I am.... not a conservative, I suspect that we would agree on many things and politely agree to disagree on a few others.
The left has well and truly lost its way and no longer represents the people it is supposed to, pretty much by definition, represent.
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Before discussing left and right, and all that's wrong with both of them... can't we just settle on a leader who doesn't commit new crimes every day?
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I'm not crazy about the extremists on either side.
But I feel Trump is an incompetent, loud mouth, uncouth moron who has made our government into a traveling comedy show complete with his tribe of evangelistic nutters speaking in tongues.
I am continually surprised that he made it as far as he did in life.
I'll be happy to see them all go.
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I'm not crazy about the extremists on either side.
But I feel Trump is an incompetent, loud mouth, uncouth moron who has made our government into a traveling comedy show complete with his tribe of evangelistic nutters speaking in tongues.
I am continually surprised that he made it as far as he did in life.
I'll be happy to see them all go.
Quoted for truth!
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You're such an imbecile, Al. But then I knew that and shouldn't have bothered to read your post in the first place. I blame having been away from here.
Erdogan and Turkey would not have crossed the border if Trump hadn't OK'd it. You know this. It doesn't matter that there were so few of them, he wouldn't have dared. You're being dishonest but then, it's what you do.
The world of the orange idiot is so weird, though, that nobody's bothering to think about this now. It's the new normal for the US. Who cares about the Kurds now?
Well obviously the SDF as they have joined forces. Russia, an Assad ally, is coming to the fore and Trump brokered a cease fire.
You are being dishonest because you are dishonest. But i will give you an opportunity to show all that what you say is truth and fact. You made a big claim about Trump okaying Turkey to attack.
Big claims require big evidence. Show us all the evidence. No, go on. This is NOT JUST in your head is it? Your attempt to speculate on a Geo-political situation you are not a party to with no backing to support your redundant opinion? Surely this is not a guess that you are hanging your proverbial hat on? Right?
Get the fuck out of here with your bullshit you hack.
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OK, another school shooting, tumpolini and the other magatards and nra douchebags.........this blood is on your hands! >:(
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The impeachment is a sham and i suspect most Americans know it for what it is.
Democrats blew it. Their hatred and over inflated sense of their own abilities vause the whole Mueller Russian collusion fiasco.
That fell apart spectacularly. They were now in a position that 2 plus years into him term and they had really nothing to show and no strong Democrats nor strong policies and no wins in legislative agenda. They had gone all in.
This is the hurriedly produced knockoff of t he Russia investigation. It is a Hail Mary attempt to remove or weaken Trump enough to win.
The fact that this was not what impeachment was designed for or that they have no crime undergriding this Inquisition is rather obvious and pathetic.
If Taylor and Kent were sat down and told "we are not interested in what you think, what you like or dislike, or any speculation. We are after backable facts and truth. This is serious business. We may be ejecting the President from office and therefore nullifying 63 million American votes. What do you have for us?" It'd be pretty quiet on their end
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The stupid and easily led think that the impeachment is a sham.
Anyone who can actually read and understand shit can see it for what it is. An attempt to hold an incompetent, corrupt, self-serving president to account.
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:lol1:
The only thing blowing is maybe Nunes. But then he always was suck up.
If there's an afterlife, even Nixon is spinning in his grave like a rotisserie chicken watching this shit show.
Bribery, extortion, obstruction of justice, abuse of power...when they finally get their hands on his taxes I bet there's a few more they can add to the list.
But yeah, let's all wait and see how this "sham" plays out shall we?
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:lol1:
The only thing blowing is maybe Nunes. But then he always was suck up.
If there's an afterlife, even Nixon is spinning in his grave like a rotisserie chicken watching this shit show.
Bribery, extortion, obstruction of justice, abuse of power...when they finally get their hands on his taxes I bet there's a few more they can add to the list.
But yeah, let's all wait and see how this "sham" plays out shall we?
Indeed!
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The stupid and easily led think that the impeachment is a sham.
Anyone who can actually read and understand shit can see it for what it is. An attempt to hold an incompetent, corrupt, self-serving president to account.
Fucking ridiculous thing to say.
The truth, if you can see it, is that Trump is boorish, uncouth and unsophisticated. He does not care for the establishment or their ideas nor much for traditions or keeping the status quo.
It is entirely reasonable to think there may have been things he has done which were egregious enough to impeach.
The Trump trust whilst it's end result was that the donations went to charity (from WHT I understand) was inbetween used as a slush fund for his private/business account. Kind of I am short, I will borrow from here short term and pay it back. "Hey I paid it back and it ultimately was used to go to the right people, what is the issue?"
The issue is doing that is illegal. End result is fine but the stuff in the middle not so good.
So that is an example and one he was punished for. There are no doubt egregious and unlawful things he has done. Maybe he does need to be impeached for THOSE things BUT what you don'the do is impeach him over bullshit because he may have done something you have not found yet, nor because you disagree or don't like him.
That is the truth and there is no bribery or extortion. No affected parties. No one acting on assumption of withdrawn aid. No javelin missiles held up. When asked whether there was a quid pro quo needed at the time the President gave an unconditional No. The aid was released without anything needed to be done.
No facts support narrative
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:lol1:
The only thing blowing is maybe Nunes. But then he always was suck up.
If there's an afterlife, even Nixon is spinning in his grave like a rotisserie chicken watching this shit show.
Bribery, extortion, obstruction of justice, abuse of power...when they finally get their hands on his taxes I bet there's a few more they can add to the list.
But yeah, let's all wait and see how this "sham" plays out shall we?
Whoops...add
Federal witness intimidation to the list.
Can't keep up with this shit. :zoinks:
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I always think it's hilarious when Al attacks me for commenting on Trump's so-called foreign policy. Al, mate, it's not just me saying all those things. You really need to start paying attention instead of blindly defending an orange moron so clearly unfit for office that even an idiot such as yourself should see it.
I know Washington Post keeps track of Trump's lies, but does anyone keep track of every new crime he commits?
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Innocent until proven guilty, although I think there are many keeping track.
Possible impeachable offenses to consider without even mentioning bribery or anything else that could trigger "sensitive" supporters:
1. Obstruction of justice
2. Witness intimidation/harassment.
3. Contempt of congress.
4. Violation's of the constitution’s foreign and domestic emoluments clause/profiting from the presidency.
5. Advocating/inciting violence.
6. Abuse of power/reckless conduct.
7. The persecution of political opponents/countless attacks of the free press.
8. Violating immigrants rights to due process.
9. Violating campaign finance laws.
I'm sure I'm missing a few.
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Trump is an idiot, but he has so far managed to maintain plausible deniability of his many misdeeds.
Meanwhile, his associates and supporters continue to take the fall for him.
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Hey Al, can you take a selfie and post it on this thread. Just for reference purposes.
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I always think it's hilarious when Al attacks me for commenting on Trump's so-called foreign policy. Al, mate, it's not just me saying all those things. You really need to start paying attention instead of blindly defending an orange moron so clearly unfit for office that even an idiot such as yourself should see it.
I know Washington Post keeps track of Trump's lies, but does anyone keep track of every new crime he commits?
Your position is that you are not the only dumbarse in the world? Congrats.
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"As a matter of policy, we *always* tell other countries not to get involved in our domestic politics. Trump not only actively invited them to, he demanded it in exchange for vital aid."
Lt. Col. Alexander Vindman....National Security Council aide, testifying today before the House Intelligence Committee
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:rofl:
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I always think it's hilarious when Al attacks me for commenting on Trump's so-called foreign policy. Al, mate, it's not just me saying all those things. You really need to start paying attention instead of blindly defending an orange moron so clearly unfit for office that even an idiot such as yourself should see it.
I know Washington Post keeps track of Trump's lies, but does anyone keep track of every new crime he commits?
Your position is that you are not the only dumbarse in the world? Congrats.
My position is that this summarises you rather well:
https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/mind-in-the-machine/201812/complete-psychological-analysis-trumps-support
I think they absolutely nail it. #7 is just so you. And you've shown yourself vulnerable to pretty much anything, so #10 fits. And let's not forget #14.
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...and Sondland confirms quid pro quo and throws them all under the bus.
(https://media.giphy.com/media/l3vR7aXoQX0OdHi48/giphy.gif)
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...and Sondland confirms quid pro quo and throws them all under the bus.
(https://media.giphy.com/media/l3vR7aXoQX0OdHi48/giphy.gif)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e_c17vxrPWQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0XDCKRpLk4E
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EnEWYilDgcg
Why are you a certifiable liar? Must be the TDS huh?
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I always think it's hilarious when Al attacks me for commenting on Trump's so-called foreign policy. Al, mate, it's not just me saying all those things. You really need to start paying attention instead of blindly defending an orange moron so clearly unfit for office that even an idiot such as yourself should see it.
I know Washington Post keeps track of Trump's lies, but does anyone keep track of every new crime he commits?
Your position is that you are not the only dumbarse in the world? Congrats.
My position is that this summarises you rather well:
https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/mind-in-the-machine/201812/complete-psychological-analysis-trumps-support
I think they absolutely nail it. #7 is just so you. And you've shown yourself vulnerable to pretty much anything, so #10 fits. And let's not forget #14.
Yes, there is nothing saying that a psychologist cannot be a mindless partisan ideologue seeing what they want to see with their ideological filtering unchecked.
1. Practicality Trumps Morality
"Trump offers tax cuts for the rich"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OvUdpN2efYk
"it does not make a difference if he’s a vagina-grabber"
Is Trump? It is a big and stupid claim. Whilst Joe Biden has been seen groping women, the best ideologically blinded morons do premise him being a being a "pussy grabber" is a hot mic take that he said that there were women who are essentially groupies for rich and successful men who will let such men do anything to them. He prompted to Billy Bus that they even let such men grab them by the pussy. He did not say he did this or anything like. So is was a leap of faith that they wanted to believe. This dickhead seems to have.
"campaign team colluded with Russia to help him defeat his political opponent"
Except of course they didn't and the Mueller report proved this not to be the case. Hillary's campaign did. They did this through their proxies Perkins Coie, Fusion GPS, Christopher Steele to collude with Russian sources.
2. The Brain’s Attention System Is More Strongly Engaged by Trump
So....Trump is more interesting? Bad Trump?
3. America’s Obsession with Entertainment and Celebrities
That actually says precisely nothing.
4. “Some Men Just Want to Watch the World Burn.”
Big assumption that he is burning the world. What SPECIFICALLY has he done. Not what he has said but what specific action?
Assuming that he has not done anything dangerous or destructive but rather said some things or held divisive opinions, then why would people supporting him want the world to burn? MAYBE they want a change and see him as a change agent. Maybe the change from the status quo is not destructive but a positive change?
5. The Fear Factor: Conservatives Are More Sensitive to Threat
Trump continues to portray Muslims and Hispanic immigrants as imminent threats
Except of course they are not against immigration and neither is he. Trump is against ILLEGAL immigration. He has been very clear and vocal on this and NOBODY (including this guy) is under the misapprehension about what he is about. He has a very large Hispanic support base and has been actively engaged in this support base.
This guys lies.
6. The Power of Mortality Reminders and Perceived Existential Threat
This is a load of BS because PRIOR to Trump taking office, missiles were being fired frequently from North Korea and ISIS was out control with ISIS inspired attacks a daily news constant. THAT was the environment under Obama. Why does it not still happen? Why are ISIS inspired attacks way down and missile launches towards Hawaii down?
The fear generation and lack of removing threats lay with Obama and his Administration if anyone and not with Trump.
7. The Dunning-Kruger Effect: Humans Often Overestimate Their Political Expertise
"Some who support Donald Trump are under-informed or misinformed about the issues at hand."
Some people on every political stance can be misinformed, Progressives, Classic Liberals, Libertarians, Centrists, Conservatives, Far Righters. Selectively casting this at one group is dishonest.
Either peopel are right in what they say or are not. This so and so thinks he or she is more knowledgeable than they are is subjective and redundant. Either this argument at any given point holds water or it does not, irrespective of their own personal beliefs in their own knowledge of the subject.
8. Relative Deprivation — A Misguided Sense of Entitlement
Some on the Left are so made at their entitlement of having who THEY want in office the are trying to thwart the will of every voter who voted for Trump by impeaching him on trumped up charges BECAUSE they have the majority and the ability to do it and do not like him
9. Lack of Exposure to Dissimilar Others
In agreement with this finding, the same researchers found that support for Trump increased with the voters’ physical distance from the Mexican border
How close is Washington DC to the Mexican Border? What about Minnesota? New Hampshire? Vermont?
Jump in any time and tell me whether these places are close to the border and are Democratic Party states or Republican?
10. Trump’s Conspiracy Theories Target the Mentally Vulnerable
Best thing for claiming something as conspiracy theory is not reading any of what has been said on it and dismissing everything around it and doing so with faux intellectual superiority and without any intellectual curiosity.
I tend to like to take things with a grain of salt.
While the conspiracy theory crowd — who predominantly support Donald Trump and crackpot allies like Alex Jones and the shadowy QAnon — may appear to just be an odd quirk of modern society, some of them may suffer from psychological illnesses that involve paranoia and delusions, such as schizophrenia, or are at least vulnerable to them, like those with schizotypy personalities.
Again kooky goes to all all areas of society. You can find kooky Progressives, kooky Classical Liberals, kooky Libertarians, kooky Centrists, kooky Conservatives, Kooky Far righters
No great insight presented here. It is like saying some people who support Trump smoke cigarettes.
How does this make ME mentally vulnerable (and no I do not support Jones and whilst I find Qanon interesting I take it with a grain of salt)?
11. Trump Taps into the Nation’s Collective Narcissism
Collective narcissism is an unrealistic shared belief in the greatness of one’s national group.
Like Che? Right? Winston Churchill? right? Ghandi? Right? Mandela? Right?
No, no, but theirs was not "unrealistic"? By what quantifiable metric? None, just what you subjectively define it over your personal feelings?
12. The Desire to Want to Dominate Others
Is the impeachment not trying to "dominate" Trump? Of course it is.
13. Authoritarian Personality
Name the restrictions that he has placed on the freedom of American citizens to whom he was elected to serve? Name the Authoritarianism is real terms?
14. Racism and Bigotry
While the dog whistles of the past were subtler, Trump’s signaling is sometimes shockingly direct. There’s no denying that he routinely appeals to racist and bigoted supporters when he calls Muslims “dangerous” and Mexican immigrants “rapists” and “murderers,”
Mighty inconvenient when he made that speech only the murderers and rapist is mentioned and not the and some are good people. WHO are good people? The Murderers and rapists? Obviously not. He was talking about illegal immigration. So which of the Mexicans coming over were murderers and rapists? Would it be the ones that rape 80% of all women crossing illegally from Central America as reported extensively? Are those rapists, rapists? Was it good he bought attention to it being a problem?
Could this be what he is talking about? https://www.fbi.gov/video-repository/newss-crime-on-the-southwest-border/view
The good people? The innocents among the smuggled in illegal aliens? Maybe
See that would be a REASONABLE reading and PRETENDING to make the case that he must mean ALL Mexicans are rapists and murderers is not supported and dishonest.
So people can see bigotry wherever they want if they look hard enough but like cloud gazing for patterns it is often just in the eye of the beholder and not necessarily truth or fact.
Have you got anything that sustains its premise or was this supposed to impress and be treated as truth?
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I'll make it easy for you Al. First 20 seconds.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LyzqbAsiuOA
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...and Al posted a wall of text. Damn. I thought he was past that. There's no way I'm reading through it, knowing that he'll be ignoring any fact that goes against his narrow views.
But I'm sure it was another valiant effort. :zoinks:
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Watching the hearings, though, I keet thinking this could be Al:
(https://static.spin.com/files/2019/11/jim-jordan-marie-yovanovitch-1573849228-640x427.jpg)
He's suffered some epic takedowns so far.
I'm fascinated by his comb-over, btw.
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The only thing I find disappointing about this is the fact Giuliani refuses to testify and they're saying now they won't need his testimony anyways. :'(
I find Giuliani entertaining in a sick sort of way. The man is a train wreck, when Trump brought him on as his personal attorney I just about fell over laughing. I figured he would be one of the first to get thrown under the bus.
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Watching the hearings, though, I keet thinking this could be Al:
(https://static.spin.com/files/2019/11/jim-jordan-marie-yovanovitch-1573849228-640x427.jpg)
He's inflictedsome epic takedowns so far.
I'm fascinated by him and wish i was wrestling him, btw.
Fixed
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(https://static.spin.com/files/2019/11/jim-jordan-marie-yovanovitch-1573849228-640x427.jpg)
This photo is perfect for a caption competition. Me first:
"What you gotta do is grow your hair really long on one side and then comb it over the bald spot. Believe me, nobody will ever know".
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...and Al posted a wall of text. Damn. I thought he was past that. There's no way I'm reading through it, knowing that he'll be ignoring any fact that goes against his narrow views.
But I'm sure it was another valiant effort. :zoinks:
Nothing valiant about it. It is just well reasoned premises youbcan't counter even though it runs afoul of your idealised political narratives
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"Well reasoned"? You?
:rofl:
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"Well reasoned"? You?
:rofl:
Queries the man who decide to mock the haircut of Jim Jordan rather address than the smackdown he produces.
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"Well reasoned"? You?
:rofl:
Queries the man who decide to mock the haircut of Jim Jordan rather address than the smackdown he produces.
He was pwned over and over again, he kept interrupting witnesses, he acted like a rabid dog, he ranted, sometimes incoherently, he embarrassed himself. The nicest thing I can say about him is about his hair.
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I very much enjoyed Dr Hill's testimony. She pretty much destroyed the Republican defences without ever getting into any kind of partisanship. Sondland was more about telling the truth to save his ass but did still produce some pretty damning testimony.
Trump should be toast but the Republicans probably love power more than the truth, so who knows?
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"Well reasoned"? You?
:rofl:
Queries the man who decide to mock the haircut of Jim Jordan rather address than the smackdown he produces.
He was pwned over and over again, he kept interrupting witnesses, he acted like a rabid dog, he ranted, sometimes incoherently, he embarrassed himself. The nicest thing I can say about him is about his hair.
Wow!
Look, rather than me have to explain the subtlety and nuances of what Jim Jordan may be behaving like he does and how it is beneficial, here it is:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JBdBOYU8P88
Jordan is blowing holes in the Democratic narrative. Though in the minority, folk like he, Stefanik Ratcliffe and Turner have ensured that they put up a decent enough defence that they will not have won over enough support from the Left in the Public nor from any Democrats on an Impeachment vote but I believe Republicans in the House will vote along Republican lines making this a partisan supported impeachment. They will also have prompted a vigorous Republican majority Senate trial in which the Republicans on the foundation of their good defence will bring in their own witnesses and ask their own questions and control their own time and vote for no punishment on impeachment.
They will punish Biden, they will keep the Democrat Senators campaigning for President from campaigning for Presidency. They will lock them into a long protracted process that destroys their Impeachment narrative well before they vote on it. This will be an effort in revenge and to ruin them in the eyes of the public.
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I very much enjoyed Dr Hill's testimony. She pretty much destroyed the Republican defences without ever getting into any kind of partisanship. Sondland was more about telling the truth to save his ass but did still produce some pretty damning testimony.
Trump should be toast but the Republicans probably love power more than the truth, so who knows?
Now whilst I will fully admit I was bored to the point I could not be bothered watching Dr Hill or that other dude. Seriously it had been a nothing burger to that point, I can't see how the Democrats up to that point makes a solid case.
If you take away the:
"I do not like Trump's ideas of foreign policy" or
"I do not like the fact that though he was allowed to get rid of Ambassadors, he got rid of Marie whatshername as am Ambassador and said bad things of her" or
"He did not say he wanted quid pro quo or anything and we do not really understand but we inferred/guessed/believed/thought/presumed/speculated he did"
You are left with nothing but a general dislike.
NONE of that is impeachable. NONE of it.
The alleged victim was not victimised. Nothing was said. They got aid without conditions placed on it. It was held up in addition to aid from many other countries. The US is NOT obliged to give aid. Obama campaign did not give aid even though they were supposedly just as important allies back then and they were being invaded by Russia (and it was his right not to then), There was no pressure or understanding by Ukraine that there was any pressure or coercion, Ukraine President ran on a platform of corruption eradication and they have a Clinton era treaty to allow them to address mutually beneficial investigations such as the things he asked to investigate, there is a real argument as to whether or not there is corruption through Burisma Holdings and Hunter Biden was on that board and Hunter is Joe Biden's son, There is a benefit to both countries to ferret out and investigate such corruption IRRESPECTIVE of whether it benefits either or both President's personally.
There is no extortion, bribery or anything to suggest high crimes or misdemeanors
You can try to make a case but UNLESS and ONLY if it can contradict these and in a way that is born out of something MORE than feelings, speculation or thought crime, will it be something I will entertain.
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They got the aid because they got caught first. The evidence is overwhelming. Are you really this naive, Al? (Yes, I know. You really are.)
As for Burisma, that has been thoroughly debunked time and again - you really should watch the opening statement of Dr Hill.
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They got the aid because they got caught first. The evidence is overwhelming. Are you really this naive, Al? (Yes, I know. You really are.)
As for Burisma, that has been thoroughly debunked time and again - you really should watch the opening statement of Dr Hill.
Is it true that: Aid was held up with just Ukraine or were there at least two other countries that had aid cut at around the time? Were those other countries subject to the quid quo pro? Did Trump say specifically to Sondland that he wanted no quid pro quo? Did the Ukraine do that investigation in return for aid? Did they get the aid? What did they get in return for the aid? Was Ukraine President - Pressured, intimidated, or bullied?
Are you entirely serious?
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trump-impeachment-burisma/ukraine-widens-probe-against-burisma-founder-to-embezzlement-of-state-funds-idUSKBN1XU2N7
Thoroughly debunked you say? Nothing in it?
I will probably watch Dr Hill's testimony purely because I do not feel I can really have an opinion about it otherwise.
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Thoroughly and fully debunked. Google is your friend.
And we're talking about Ukraine and the orange moron's criminal schemes, even though you're trying to muddy the waters - I assume it's because you actually have no clue. Trump said what he said *after he was caught*. Timing is everything. But seriously, did you think he'd say "oh, I haven't done my crime quota for today yet, I have the best crimes."
Fucking hell, Al, you're so naive it hurts. Figuratively, of course. I don't mind if you are hurting.
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Yes.
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https://edition.cnn.com/2019/11/26/politics/trump-ukraine-aid-whistleblower-complaint/index.html
And here's what we already knew. Trump released the funds only when he knew he had been caught.
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LOL
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I feel so embarrassed that this orange faced shit gibbon became president. My only solace is that I and my family voted otherwise.
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Even if Trump was recorded demanding a quid pro quo, or whatever it's called, his mates in the Republican party won't vote for impeachment. It's obvious that he is a corrupt, incompetent fool but this is more about driving that fact home to next year's voters.
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Even if Trump was recorded demanding a quid pro quo, or whatever it's called, his mates in the Republican party won't vote for impeachment. It's obvious that he is a corrupt, incompetent fool but this is more about driving that fact home to next year's voters.
His followers and acolytes in the senate are too entrenched. I have fears that we are headed towards an oligarchy or a theocracy.
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His followers and acolytes in the senate are too entrenched. I have fears that we are headed towards an oligarchy or a theocracy.
More likely this:
(https://www.northernsun.com/images/image16x16/576x576/4321.png)
(Australia might beat you to it based on that list though)
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His followers and acolytes in the senate are too entrenched. I have fears that we are headed towards an oligarchy or a theocracy.
More likely this:
(https://www.northernsun.com/images/image16x16/576x576/4321.png)
(Australia might beat you to it based on that list though)
I fear you are correct. We have a magatard on this forum as an example.
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https://edition.cnn.com/2019/11/26/politics/trump-ukraine-aid-whistleblower-complaint/index.html
And here's what we already knew. Trump released the funds only when he knew he had been caught.
CNN huh? Nice partisan source. They still being sued by the Covington Kids because of their hack reporting?
Trump was essentially "supposed to" simply rubber stamp to aid. How he did have the right and the ability under a specific act (whose nam escapes me) for holding up voted on aid until such time that he chooses but before the end of the financial year.
Trump was not happy giving aid to a few countries. Particularly Ukraine that was involved in 2016 election interference and to whom were involved in corrupt activities with the VP's son. He did know the incoming President was coming in on promises to tackle corruption. Trump also was concerned that only America seemed to him to give aid to places half a world away.
He wanted to find out who this guy was and which NATO countries were helping out Ukraine. During the time he was scoping this out. A few unelected beaurecrats that personally objected to their job functions of following the President's directives on foreign policy, in the meantime, whilst Trump was executing his foreign policy of taking 5 to see what the new guy was like and who else was paying up, they started to make a noise.
By the time Trump assessed the new guy was probably alright and was attacking the corruption Trump release the aid but now some fucking idiots are stupid enough to pretend that he did it because of these unelected beaurecrats who are supposed to follow out his foreign policy, right?
Who makes foreign policy in US? President or foreign policy beaurecrats? Who follows out the foreign policy of the President?
Is not liking his foreogn policy tantamount for him violating a law?
When crimea was being Annexed how much Ukraine aid did Obama give? I thought they were a close ally and important strategic ally and holding off given aid when needed was criminal, right?
Depends your politics right.
That warm feeling you have isn't righteous indignation, it is a big pile of bullshit and hypocrisy
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His followers and acolytes in the senate are too entrenched. I have fears that we are headed towards an oligarchy or a theocracy.
More likely this:
(https://www.northernsun.com/images/image16x16/576x576/4321.png)
(Australia might beat you to it based on that list though)
I fear you are correct. We have a magatard on this forum as an example.
Who exactly on this forum is a "magatard", Ozy? I personally disagree with your specific politics but have never inferred you personally as intellectually inferior for them.
So name and shame my friend.
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It's not you, Al, that I was referring to.
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It's not you, Al, that I was referring to.
I am glad of that.
Trump has faults for sure. Most of what I see is window dressing is terrible - the boorishness, arrogance, self-aggrandising and such. It is hard to dress that up. It s not inexcusable that some people are repelled by that and do not want that behaviour in a President. But I see actions and achievements as more important and see good results in this regards whereas some see the opposite.
I believe that even more when I see him doing many things or holding positions Obama held and getting slammed for it. If Trump were not so much of a lout, these same people would likely like him. If He was a Democrat they would love him. Of that I am reasonably convinced.
If it comes down to Trump being "ickky" I do not think he has much of a defence to offer, but I think it should be more than that and I struggle to see the substance as to why he is a bad President outside of this.
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It's not you, Al, that I was referring to.
I am glad of that.
Trump has faults for sure. Most of what I see is window dressing is terrible - the boorishness, arrogance, self-aggrandising and such. It is hard to dress that up. It s not inexcusable that some people are repelled by that and do not want that behaviour in a President. But I see actions and achievements as more important and see good results in this regards whereas some see the opposite.
I believe that even more when I see him doing many things or holding positions Obama held and getting slammed for it. If Trump were not so much of a lout, these same people would likely like him. If He was a Democrat they would love him. Of that I am reasonably convinced.
If it comes down to Trump being "ickky" I do not think he has much of a defence to offer, but I think it should be more than that and I struggle to see the substance as to why he is a bad President outside of this.
I do respect your opinion of him. But, from my perspective he and his family and cronies are certainly reveling in nepotism and uber privilege. His abandonment of the Kurds, dropping out of the Climate Agreement, and other treaties that were negotiated. His treatment of immigrants and his treatment of their children are worthy of a despot like those he loves like putin, that north korean dough boy dear leader, and erdogan of Turkey. If anything he reminds me of mussolini in his blustering, posturing and smirks. trumpolini has mocked the handicapped, the poor and other unfortunates. And has earned my contempt. He has adopted many of the tactics of the late unlamented nazi propaganda minister goebbels......."Accuse others of that which you are guilty", and , "repeat a lie long enough and it becomes truth." ( I am para-phrasing there).
So we agree to disagree. And that's ok.
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https://edition.cnn.com/2019/11/26/politics/trump-ukraine-aid-whistleblower-complaint/index.html
And here's what we already knew. Trump released the funds only when he knew he had been caught.
CNN huh? Nice partisan source. They still being sued by the Covington Kids because of their hack reporting?
This is the kind of thing Breitbart wouldn't report, Al. But take your pick. Multiple sources confirm this and expand on it. Deny it all you want.
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If He was a Democrat they would love him. Of that I am reasonably convinced.
But that's because you're a moron.
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I just love his notes. If he was anyone but the president of the USA the clip would end up in America's Dumbest Criminals. :rofl:
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https://edition.cnn.com/2019/11/26/politics/trump-ukraine-aid-whistleblower-complaint/index.html
And here's what we already knew. Trump released the funds only when he knew he had been caught.
CNN huh? Nice partisan source. They still being sued by the Covington Kids because of their hack reporting?
This is the kind of thing Breitbart wouldn't report, Al. But take your pick. Multiple sources confirm this and expand on it. Deny it all you want.
What exactly am i denying?
Why else but for these beaurecrats kicking up a fuss, would Trump release the aid to Ukraine? He held it up to see first what others gave, and secondly to see what the new guy was about when it came to corruption. Under the authority granted, when would the funds need to be released? End of December.
So...did he release the funds before the end of September anyhow as he was legally obliged to do (before the deadline of 30th September) AND did this give him time to find out what everyone else had given AND what the new guy was like?
If the answers to the above are yes and work fine without the presumption of "being caught" (doing what he was perfectly and legitimately okay doing). Then is this an important factor or a really pissweak one?
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If He was a Democrat they would love him. Of that I am reasonably convinced.
But that's because you're a moron.
Uh huh
"Those kids in cages, so cruel...."
"Those are photos from the Obama era.."
"But still Trump..."
"Trump is deporting illegals"
"Obama deported more by a magnitude of 500%+"
"Trump is such a meanie"
Yeah, let's be real here, moron.
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Like I said, deny all you want. It won't change the facts, most of which you're very careful not to mention.
For the rest of us, here's some entertainment while we watch the train wreck that is Trump: https://www.politifact.com/personalities/donald-trump/statements/byruling/false/
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At this stage, only an idiot or a Republican would deny the evidence. It amazes me that anyone can, but then, I start from the assumption that you wouldn't tell an obvious lie to people's faces. With Trump and his cult, they simply don't care.
I miss the days when the definition of a bad president was George W Bush.
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And, of course, if that call was so perfect, then why the hell does he stop his cronies from testifying? If his actions were legit, why does he continue to obstruct efforts to find out what happened? If he thinks stopping the aid was legit, why doesn't he tell the House what the reason was?
And seriously, the man who was forced to close down his so-called charity because of fraud is somehow interested in stopping the corruption in a country half a globe away? We're talking about the man who kept two books on his finances and who is now trying desperately to keep it all a secret. Who believes this shit? Yeah, I know, Al and the Republicans, but anyone *sane*?
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And, of course, if that call was so perfect, then why the hell does he stop his cronies from testifying? If his actions were legit, why does he continue to obstruct efforts to find out what happened? If he thinks stopping the aid was legit, why doesn't he tell the House what the reason was?
And seriously, the man who was forced to close down his so-called charity because of fraud is somehow interested in stopping the corruption in a country half a globe away? We're talking about the man who kept two books on his finances and who is now trying desperately to keep it all a secret. Who believes this shit? Yeah, I know, Al and the Republicans, but anyone *sane*?
** Schiff is a fact witness and his staff helped the Whistleblower to bring an inquiry he preceded over
** President has no due process
** President has no right to confront the witnesses
** President has no right to bring forward witnesses
** President has not been convicted or indicted of any crime of any kind
** Rep. Adam Schiff made himself the investigator, the prosecutor, the judge and jury
** Rep. Nadler will take over and declare himself the lead investigator, prosecutor, the judge and jury
** Rep. Schiff determined which questions could be asked
** Rep. Schiff determined which questions could be answered
** Rep. Schiff denied Republicans their right to call witnesses
** Rep. Schiff is withholding evidence — The ICIG interview and testimony
** Rep. Schiff refuses to call in the alleged whistleblower to testify
** President Trump has NO IDEA who he is being accused by!
** The whistleblower has NO firsthand knowledge of President Trump’s phone call
** Democrats are trying to prosecute impeachment for a thought crime and the president’s “intent” — Something impossible to prove
** Whether it is Sondland presuming much, Marie feeling upset and scorned or Vindman not feeling like he was being listened to, there does not seem to be any substance, just feelings and disagreements.
Given all of this, what possible reason would Trump consider giving it ANY time? Look I understand what is in it for the Democrats but not for Trump, What do YOU think is in it for him to turn up and give it any credibility?
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I have as low an opinion of Trump as anyone but...
This impeachment process is a wankfest. An exercise in showboating. Trump will slither his way out of this, with the aid of his own party which hates him but finds him a useful distraction from their actual agenda.
The Dems need to be focusing on why they lost last time. I still don't think they get it, not even close. They need to show people that they have a better way forward, just being more competent and slightly less evil than Trump or whoever the Republicans throw up is not nearly enough.
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I have as low an opinion of Trump as anyone but...
This impeachment process is a wankfest. An exercise in showboating. Trump will slither his way out of this, with the aid of his own party which hates him but finds him a useful distraction from their actual agenda.
The Dems need to be focusing on why they lost last time. I still don't think they get it, not even close. They need to show people that they have a better way forward, just being more competent and slightly less evil than Trump or whoever the Republicans throw up is not nearly enough.
You are about half right
This WAS their way forward. The one thing they were united on. Their hatred of Donald Trump and this was the ultimate display. Very unifying. When the Russia thing first started, it did unify Far and moderate Left and all their supporters. Then it fell to pieces. This was a poor back up plan and a hope for some afterglow of the initial feelings back when the Mueller report investigation started.
The want it to be a compelling animated battle cry going into election. Instead it will be a rotting corpse.
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Ill play, just for once, since you're parroting the faulty republican commentary.
And, of course, if that call was so perfect, then why the hell does he stop his cronies from testifying? If his actions were legit, why does he continue to obstruct efforts to find out what happened? If he thinks stopping the aid was legit, why doesn't he tell the House what the reason was?
And seriously, the man who was forced to close down his so-called charity because of fraud is somehow interested in stopping the corruption in a country half a globe away? We're talking about the man who kept two books on his finances and who is now trying desperately to keep it all a secret. Who believes this shit? Yeah, I know, Al and the Republicans, but anyone *sane*?
** Schiff is a fact witness and his staff helped the Whistleblower to bring an inquiry he preceded over
This is how this particular process works. You should read up on it.
** President has no due process
This is how this particular process works. You should read up on it.
** President has no right to confront the witnesses
This is how this particular process works. Please read up on how this works. here is a good start: https://www.npr.org/2019/10/01/766176669/legal-experts-say-the-right-to-confront-accusers-does-not-apply-to-impeachment?t=1575624718973
** President has no right to bring forward witnesses
See the above.
** President has not been convicted or indicted of any crime of any kind
This is how this particular process works. Also, you should read up on how this whole impeachment thing works. There's this thing called the constitution that you might want to start with.
** Rep. Adam Schiff made himself the investigator, the prosecutor, the judge and jury
This is how this particular process works. Plus, see above about reading up on the subject. It's an *investigation*.
** Rep. Nadler will take over and declare himself the lead investigator, prosecutor, the judge and jury
See the above about process and reading up on stuff.
** Rep. Schiff determined which questions could be asked
Read the above. Etc.
** Rep. Schiff determined which questions could be answered
Read the above.
** Rep. Schiff denied Republicans their right to call witnesses
Read the above.
** Rep. Schiff is withholding evidence — The ICIG interview and testimony
https://edition.cnn.com/politics/live-news/impeachment-hearing-11-20-19/h_8f14d68157c6221c74075b8efc7f5a16
** Rep. Schiff refuses to call in the alleged whistleblower to testify
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whistleblower_protection_in_the_United_States
** President Trump has NO IDEA who he is being accused by!
Quite the contrary, I'd say. Or maybe he doesn't know how this thing works either.
** The whistleblower has NO firsthand knowledge of President Trump’s phone call
https://apnews.com/2305510b6e23498c9298ed597ddccbac
** Democrats are trying to prosecute impeachment for a thought crime and the president’s “intent” — Something impossible to prove
A tricky one. If only there was evidence of the intentions, say, WH officials on video telling exactly what was going on and telling everyone to get over it, or maybe two weeks of public testimonies in congress. I dunno. Tricky.
Seriously, Al? If what you said held water there would be no way to convict anyone of a planned crime.
** Whether it is Sondland presuming much, Marie feeling upset and scorned or Vindman not feeling like he was being listened to, there does not seem to be any substance, just feelings and disagreements.
Are you going to do the "Vindman is really an Ukrainian sleeper agent" next?
Also, I notice that you left out Dr Hill. She's a bit more difficult to smear, though, and the very first thing she did was to debunk the Republicans' pet conspiracy theory.
Given all of this, what possible reason would Trump consider giving it ANY time? Look I understand what is in it for the Democrats but not for Trump, What do YOU think is in it for him to turn up and give it any credibility?
Oh, I do understand why he isn't turning up. It's the same reason as with the Mueller investigation. His lawyers argued he would incriminate himself. This is common knowledge.
But again, Al. Please read up on the subject before embarrassing yourself further.
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I have as low an opinion of Trump as anyone but...
This impeachment process is a wankfest. An exercise in showboating. Trump will slither his way out of this, with the aid of his own party which hates him but finds him a useful distraction from their actual agenda.
The Dems need to be focusing on why they lost last time. I still don't think they get it, not even close. They need to show people that they have a better way forward, just being more competent and slightly less evil than Trump or whoever the Republicans throw up is not nearly enough.
Sure, absolutely, they need to do that too and I agree with you that they aren't even close, but there's also the fact that if they had let this one go, who'd ever take an impeachment - or the constitution itself, for that matter - seriously again? They'd effectively give him carte blanche to do it all over again.
I'd argue that it's their damned constitutional duty to investigate and to impeach, if that's where the investigation leads.
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Wankfest or not, I agree they can NOT let this slide...or it opens the door to those that may follow to pull the same shit or maybe establish their very own dictatorship while wiping their feet on our constitution.
Even if they dropped everything and ONLY pursued him on obstruction of justice, abuse of power, and violating campaign finance laws...it's there, in plain fucking sight.
It's not like this is just another "blow job".
It's a little bit more.
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Well, he treats the policies of your nation as his personal resources. He's guilty as hell.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NEoOJ0uRskY
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I agree that Trump is guilty as hell and should be in jail BUT the Senate will back him and Trump won't be impeached and Trump will claim that as evidence of his innocence and of what he claims is the Dems' petty vendetta against him.
It's gonna slide whether they let it or not. Regardless of the weight of evidence.
And come the next election, many voters will remember the Dems not as the party with a compelling alternative way forward for the nation, but as the party that spent most of Trump's term trying, and failing, to impeach him.
The media loves this kind of circus.
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Articles of impeachment...pdf
https://www.cnn.com/2019/12/10/politics/articles-impeachment-trump/index.html
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I'm hoping that they'll ask Trump to take the stand. Or Rudy.
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Is Al writing Trump's speeches for him now?
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This, and the locker-room talk. And he still got nearly as many votes as HRC.
And he's a treasonous crook, to be saved from legal consequenes only by his cronies in the senate.
AND I'd happily bet on him winning in 2020.
Meanwhile, Australia's Prime Minister goes on holiday in Hawaii while the bloody country is literally on fire.
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Imagine what living in the US is right now! And the feeling that his fascism and cronies ideas are sweeping the globe.
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Got "Crime in Progress" as a Xmas gift. Two chapters into it and it all boggles the mind. Why anyone voted for the orange idiot is beyond me.s
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https://youtu.be/aUWobxRSQKQ
This is kinda long but fascinating. Worth watching. Goes into detail about how the press tried (and failed) to apply the seal of death to his campaign.
I am going to read the book.
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https://www.news.com.au/world/north-america/donald-trump-reportedly-didnt-know-india-and-china-shared-a-border/news-story/91d93f6554176f5d8c66b51fc84696eb
The very stable genius literally did not know that India shares a border with China.
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Meanwhile, Bill Maher thinks it's time to do what the Republicans do.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c5jkYN_wG7c
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He's right, but the Democrats' problems run far deeper than being too honourable in their dealings with the Republicans. They obviously gave up being honourable amongst themselves a long time ago.
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He's right, but the Democrats' problems run far deeper than being too honourable in their dealings with the Republicans. They obviously gave up being honourable amongst themselves a long time ago.
Yep, They are shooting themselves in the foot, time and time again.
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One would have thought Trump was an easy candidate to beat in an election. He's lucky he's facing the Democrats.
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https://www.9news.com.au/national/trump-makes-mistake-in-super-bowl-tweet-kansas-city-chiefs-missouri/3eb38d7b-5ba6-42c1-b2d8-6fbea53efb57
Trump congratulates wrong state for superbowl win.
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One would have thought Trump was an easy candidate to beat in an election. He's lucky he's facing the Democrats.
If the democrats were smart they would find an independent with republican leanings to run. While Trump's approval ratings are seemingly unwavering, if he wins again it will be by a very narrow margin in several states like before. Independents don't generate many votes, but stealing one percent of republican voters could be enough.
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The Democrats are so smart that they will choose Creepy Joe Biden to run against Trump, and a year from now they'll be scratching their heads and wondering how Trump and the Russians beat them again.
Frankly I'm sure they'd rather lose with a centre right, "steady as she goes" candidate who appeals to their corporate donors than win with a genuine progressive.
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Polling shows it wont likely be Biden. Soon to see.
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The Democrats are so smart that they will choose Creepy Joe Biden to run against Trump, and a year from now they'll be scratching their heads and wondering how Trump and the Russians beat them again.
Frankly I'm sure they'd rather lose with a centre right, "steady as she goes" candidate who appeals to their corporate donors than win with a genuine progressive.
Just realized you might have misunderstood what I said. Didn't mean the democrats should run an independent with republican leanings as the democrat party nominee. no. They should run their democrat nominee and also help to find an independent to toss into the mix. What made me think of it was a sheriff who kept getting elected; people either loved or hated him. A co-worker mentioned a third candidate entering the election, and I said the sheriff was probably happy about that because it increased his chances of winning. The voting pool was the voting pool; the voters who loved him would vote for him, so a third candidate would only divide the votes of the people who don't. Also wondered out loud if the sheriff might even have something to do with there being a third candidate, because that would be really smart. The 2020 election needs an independent candidate who appeals to people who would otherwise vote for trump.
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Just realized you might have misunderstood what I said. Didn't mean the democrats should run an independent with republican leanings as the democrat party nominee. no.
No worries, my reply was kind of tangential. I did understand exactly what you meant.
In Australia's most recent federal election we had our own Trump wannabe, a rotund billionaire by the name of Clive Palmer.
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(originality wasn't his strong suit obviously).
He spent $80M of his own money on advertising for his party. And didn't win a single seat, while turning himself into an international laughing stock.
His entire goal, by his own admission after the event, was to suppress the vote for Labor and increase the likelihood of the conservatives winning. He likes the conservatives, he is a mining billionaire. He was successful.
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They should go with Adam Schiff.
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Just realized you might have misunderstood what I said. Didn't mean the democrats should run an independent with republican leanings as the democrat party nominee. no.
No worries, my reply was kind of tangential. I did understand exactly what you meant.
In Australia's most recent federal election we had our own Trump wannabe, a rotund billionaire by the name of Clive Palmer.
(originality wasn't his strong suit obviously).
He spent $80M of his own money on advertising for his party. And didn't win a single seat, while turning himself into an international laughing stock.
His entire goal, by his own admission after the event, was to suppress the vote for Labor and increase the likelihood of the conservatives winning. He likes the conservatives, he is a mining billionaire. He was successful.
I tend to vote to maintain our constitution. Our rights over here are constantly threatened.
I believe in our constitution and I think that even getting close to its ideals is a worthy goal. Obviously, the closer the better.
Unfortunately, we who favor the origins and ideals of what our country was created to be are not alone. The commie fag sparkle pinko fairy dust promising worm, cradle to grave, control all aspects of interaction types who want massive centralized government doing everything there is to do are still being elected all to often.
The incremental encroachment upon our rights by that faction of the populace is our own fault, due to apathy and ignorance.
:dunno:
"Hey, have you heard what House Bill 2482 (made up reference; do not bother looking it up) says about the expansion of ... ?"
"I don't know and I don't care. Our votes do not count."
Way too common!
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If I loved the US constitution as much as that, what would really piss me off is the abuse of that constitution to hide the truth and protect the guilty. To keep a treasonous proto-fascist imbecile in the top job.
:hitler:
I'm a believer in the idea of a social contract anyway. Always been happy to pay taxes that support those worse off than I. Always loved seeing unions push back against exploitation and the worst excesses of capitalism.
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I am quite pissed off. I have tried to express this without going into a rant. I am trying to hold it in, some, and await my next chance at the polls.
Restraint is becoming more difficult all the time.
Do not dare try that "IF" I loved my constitution bullshit again on me.
:'(
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I am quite pissed off. I have tried to express this without going into a rant. I am trying to hold it in, some, and await my next chance at the polls.
Restraint is becoming more difficult all the time.
Do not dare try that "IF" I loved my constitution bullshit again on me.
:'(
It would help if you didn't misread what I said. I was merely stating what I (MOSW) would do if I loved that constitution as much as you love that constitution. If you don't think I have a right to an opinion, shoot me.
I completely respect your right to love your constitution in whatever way you want to. The "IF I" was clearly in reference to myself dude.
I seriously considered not posting my opinion but then I thought.... what's the point of this place if I can't post my opinion just because it might upset someone? You post yours, I post mine, we're all happy. You wanna get angry and threaten me for having an opinion that differs from yours, go right ahead. That says a lot more about you than it does about me.
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Speak your piece, MOSW. Freedom of speech is a powerful thing. Even when some asswipe tries to threaten or intimidate you. We got your back.
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Speak your piece, MOSW. Freedom of speech is a powerful thing. Even when some asswipe tries to threaten or intimidate you. We got your back.
He's not an asswipe, at least not in my opinion.
I never understood though why it's so difficult to have a civil discussion about politics.
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Anyway, it looks like Wall Street Pete is gonna go up against Trump, and he will get chewed up and spat out.
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I am quite pissed off. I have tried to express this without going into a rant. I am trying to hold it in, some, and await my next chance at the polls.
Restraint is becoming more difficult all the time.
Do not dare try that "IF" I loved my constitution bullshit again on me.
:'(
It would help if you didn't misread what I said. I was merely stating what I (MOSW) would do if I loved that constitution as much as you love that constitution. If you don't think I have a right to an opinion, shoot me.
I completely respect your right to love your constitution in whatever way you want to. The "IF I" was clearly in reference to myself dude.
I seriously considered not posting my opinion but then I thought.... what's the point of this place if I can't post my opinion just because it might upset someone? You post yours, I post mine, we're all happy. You wanna get angry and threaten me for having an opinion that differs from yours, go right ahead. That says a lot more about you than it does about me.
Fair enough! I misread some things.
How was my tearing eye a threat? BTW?
It almost sounds like when I deal with others, who have only a fraction of your mind, who feel attacked when I ask the simplest of questions, while trying to understand their point of view. Please, do not go that way. I feel that you and I can actually talk some.
Understand that my backward admonition was meant as more a statement of you having "hurt" me. I felt injured by you giving me the Big "IF." :'(
I think we are two who can actually, intelligently, thoughtfully make a difference by having a kind of discussion that leads to us being better "friends," in the long run, quite unlike some others who have such small and insignificant closed minds. Many of whom I only will talk about in the future, since some have directly warned me to NOT talk to them again. Fine, so they are out, except for when I feel like being snarky. Not to worry. Cowards like that put people more intellectual than they are on ignore status, anyway.
While I will seldom be accused of agreeing with anything that the moronic rock licker guy says, he and I are in total agreement here.
Speak your mind! Squared! It may be incongruous to some, but I am intrigued with the idea that I can freely speak clearly with an intelligent person from another land who might disagree with me or my views. Nothing much on the internet could be more engaging, other than maybe finding that damn tea I have not been able to find locally.
I will probably support most of what you can say, from what I have seen of your previous postings, such as giving up a bit of "mine" to help others, which I choose to do in my own way.
I mean, hell, I have donated three cars I had driven until I could afford a better (and those cars were well road worthy still, new tires and batteries and brakes and they worked fine) and I never took any of those donations off my taxes. I do not donate to those less fortunate to help me on my taxes. I am not rich. I am a regular guy (middle class, but I do my best). I do it to simply help people. I choose to do so in a more immediate way than allowing my donations to be filtered through a machine prepared by a government I only barely trust to build us roads and bridges lakes and ports.
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Oh, I do not shoot people for having an opinion that differs from my own.
I would rather sit down, light up my pipe, maybe pour us both a cold one and work on coming to a kind of middle ground where we can partially agree on some points.
That would be a win for both sides of any argument.
I have only used my weapon once in my long life as a deterrent to an attack. I have been attacked or assaulted many times, but only once did the threat reach a level of life threatening proportion. I did not shoot anyone. I only fired between the feet of three guys who were robbing us and one had my girlfriend by the head with a knife at her throat demanding our valuables. I feigned that my wallet was in the car and they could have it. But what was in my console was my carry weapon.
Of course, my girlfriend thought I was crazy and left me right away. Smart girl. Never saw them again and never saw a police report of the incident. I got the hell out of there immediately. I had discharged a firearm in the city limits and did not really want to have to explain it fifty times that night.
:hide:
But, hey we got away without being injured or robbed and none of the "bad guys" were injured, only scared half to death. A .45 in your face can be interpreted as quite a threat.
I kept the knife, though.
Anyway, we are just "talking," here.
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"Do not dare..." is a warning, can be taken as threatening. If it was just rhetorical, then that's fine. If not, that's also fine.
I respect your opinion even though I disagree with you about a lot of things. You and I are drinking a very different brand of kool aid. I love having friends who see the world very differently to how I see the world, both in meatspace and online.
At least when you're angry at me I don't have to wade through a 10,000 word essay to find out why. Where is Al anyway? :D
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none of the "bad guys" were injured, only scared half to death.
I would have shot them. :)
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Oh well, misjudged again......c'est la vie. Won't do that again here! Like loaning out books, never again. Good night, children.........everywhere.
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Oh well, misjudged again......c'est la vie. Won't do that again here! Like loaning out books, never again. Good night, children.........everywhere.
Not sure what you mean. I appreciate your support and we are fellow progressives who recognize the excesses of modern capitalism and despise the orange man. But I'm not here to make enemies.
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"Do not dare..." is a warning, can be taken as threatening. If it was just rhetorical, then that's fine. If not, that's also fine.
I respect your opinion even though I disagree with you about a lot of things. You and I are drinking a very different brand of kool aid.
While I would love to have any brand of koolaid very far away from any productive discussion, I think any parties engaging in a beneficial examination of a discourse owe it to each other to question the other if recognition or awareness of an entrenched koolaid statement shows up from either direction.
I respect your opinions as well, otherwise I would probably not respond. You might have seen me ignore people when I am not interested in jumping on a new conquering hero bandwagon.
Besides, I do not want you siccing your trashcan crabs on me.
:lol1:
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The way I see it, there's been no greater threat to the US constitution than the current POTUS and his sycophants. It remains to be seen if the constitution will survive him.
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Oh well, misjudged again......c'est la vie. Won't do that again here! Like loaning out books, never again. Good night, children.........everywhere.
Not sure what you mean. I appreciate your support and we are fellow progressives who recognize the excesses of modern capitalism and despise the orange man. But I'm not here to make enemies.
You haven't made me an enemy. I definitely respect your opinions. I was just spouting about something else.
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Oh well, misjudged again......c'est la vie. Won't do that again here! Like loaning out books, never again. Good night, children.........everywhere.
Not sure what you mean. I appreciate your support and we are fellow progressives who recognize the excesses of modern capitalism and despise the orange man. But I'm not here to make enemies.
I'm liberal or progressive, and while I believe in capitalism, the excesses I am seeing coming out from the orange faced shit gibbon and his minions make me sick. It's like we're being dragged back to the 1870's or the earliest parts of the 20th century when corporate greed was king, pollution run wild, no health and safety regards for workers, rampant racism and bigotry etc. It's hard to be optimistic these days.
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Anyway, it looks like Wall Street Pete is gonna go up against Trump, and he will get chewed up and spat out.
It's too early to say. Buttigieg has very little support in some states. The primaries run until June, and then the democratic convention in which delegates will select a candidate is mid July.
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Here's a handy dandy calendar from wikipedia.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2020_Democratic_Party_presidential_primaries#Primary_and_caucus_calendar
Also, at the top of that page, is appears a delegate running tally is to be kept.
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If it makes anyone feel better, Trumps approval rating is up to 49%. :zoinks: That's his personal best and the highest since his election. :orly:
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It might make him feel better.
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Is he back in the US yet or did India keep him?
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Is he back in the US yet or did India keep him?
Back I think, he's supposed to hold a news conference around 6:00 pm about the coronavirus. I'm sure he'll be telling us how on top of everything he is and how he has the "best people" working on this...nothing to worry about...maybe he'll go on to address windmill cancer again and raking the forests.
We're all going to die. :death:
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I hear Mike Pence is handling the virus so you should all just relax. :zoinks:
Watched some of the debate the other night. Everyone was out to get Bernie and Bernie didn't care. It would be so much fun if they actually picked him but the DNC will never let that happen. This is how Trump will win.
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I hear Mike Pence is handling the virus so you should all just relax. :zoinks:
Watched some of the debate the other night. Everyone was out to get Bernie and Bernie didn't care. It would be so much fun if they actually picked him but the DNC will never let that happen. This is how Trump will win.
And of course pence the putz was responsible for letting an HIV epidemic run rampant thru Indiana. It was against his "christian" beliefs to do anything about it.
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https://codepen.io/AntoniaCassida/pen/GoXewm
Trump quote generator, guaranteed to brighten your day with the wisdom of the orange man.
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I hear Mike Pence is handling the virus so you should all just relax. :zoinks:
Watched some of the debate the other night. Everyone was out to get Bernie and Bernie didn't care. It would be so much fun if they actually picked him but the DNC will never let that happen. This is how Trump will win.
And of course pence the putz was responsible for letting an HIV epidemic run rampant thru Indiana. It was against his "christian" beliefs to do anything about it.
I heard. He's a puppet with fundie issues.
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https://codepen.io/AntoniaCassida/pen/GoXewm
Trump quote generator, guaranteed to brighten your day with the wisdom of the orange man.
They should have voted for this piece of code instead.
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One of his top incoherent ramblings so far, and he's got a few to choose from. The man is obviously not well in the head.
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I love it how Pence is always standing to his right, with a hint of admiration in his otherwise dead face, immobile like a cardboard figure.
A cardboard figure would be a safer bet for heading the virus task force.
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He's fucking this up like he's fucked up everything else, trying to down play the numbers of those tested positive for the virus, while the CDC has been reported to be denying proper testing to many showing symptoms...that's in areas where they actually have testing available and verified outbreaks, he turned down WHO's offer for test kits... and production of working test kits here is not anywhere near sufficient.
A few educated voices are predicting this shit could fill our existing hospitals to over capacity in 10 days or less if it gets to be widespread. Shut downs in the last few years have made it where some don't ever have access to a hospital within 45 to 80 miles of them.
He's treating this shit like it's just the common cold...playing golf, holding more rallies. Heaven forbid he should cancel those rallies.
Meanwhile, Pence and him will be holding prayer meetings in the oval office asking god to keep the virus away from all the godly conservative Republicans while screaming death to all the Satan worshiping liberals.
Shit is going to get real.
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With any luck, he'll catch the virus.
It's amazing how bad he is at this. I watched bits of the Friday interview when he was at the CDC, quoting Fox News for the number of cases while the country's topmost experts were standing right next to him. WTF?
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If I had the Corona virus........I'd attend a trumpolini rally! :orly:
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If I had the Corona virus........I'd attend a trumpolini rally! :orly:
Same. I want to shake his hand. >:D
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Seeing as he's going to be up against Creepy Joe Biden in the election, I'd say that a fatal dose of coronavirus is the best hope of getting the orange man out of the White House.
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I think he might actually lose to Biden, tbh. He's been exceptionally bad lately.
The problem is that he won't leave voluntarily.
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I think he might actually lose to Biden, tbh. He's been exceptionally bad lately.
The problem is that he won't leave voluntarily.
I have to agree. If he loses I can hear him and magatard idiots screaming voter fraud! :wanker:
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Looks like the coronavirus might help, too. Trump's response so far has been embarrassing and sooner or later, even some of the magatards might catch on, especially if the people around them start getting sick.
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His incompetency shows clearly, but, his magatard followers are rabid and blind. Still, I have hope that we will be done with this cancer in democracy. Aka, putin's BITCH!
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People who do contract the virus should all gather at Trump rallies.
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https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/trump-has-a-dangerous-disability/2017/05/03/56ca6118-2f6b-11e7-9534-00e4656c22aa_story.html?utm_term=.702107549f5d (https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/trump-has-a-dangerous-disability/2017/05/03/56ca6118-2f6b-11e7-9534-00e4656c22aa_story.html?utm_term=.702107549f5d)
Trump has a dangerous disability
It is urgent for Americans to think and speak clearly about President Trump’s inability to do either. This seems to be not a mere disinclination but a disability. It is not merely the result of intellectual sloth but of an untrained mind bereft of information and married to stratospheric self-confidence.
In February, acknowledging Black History Month, Trump said that “Frederick Douglass is an example of somebody who’s done an amazing job and is getting recognized more and more, I notice.” Because Trump is syntactically challenged, it was possible and tempting to see this not as a historical howler about a man who died 122 years ago, but as just another of Trump’s verbal fender benders, this one involving verb tenses.
Now, however, he has instructed us that Andrew Jackson was angry about the Civil War that began 16 years after Jackson’s death. Having, let us fancifully imagine, considered and found unconvincing William Seward’s 1858 judgment that the approaching Civil War was “an irrepressible conflict,” Trump says:
“People don’t realize, you know, the Civil War, if you think about it, why? People don’t ask that question, but why was there the Civil War? Why could that one not have been worked out?”
Library shelves groan beneath the weight of books asking questions about that war’s origins, so who, one wonders, are these “people” who don’t ask the questions that Trump evidently thinks have occurred to him uniquely? Presumably they are not the astute “lot of,” or at least “some,” people Trump referred to when speaking about his February address to a joint session of Congress: “A lot of people have said that, some people said it was the single best speech ever made in that chamber.” Which demotes Winston Churchill, among many others.
What is most alarming (and mortifying to the University of Pennsylvania, from which he graduated) is not that Trump has entered his eighth decade unscathed by even elementary knowledge about the nation’s history. As this column has said before, the problem isn’t that he does not know this or that, or that he does not know that he does not know this or that. Rather, the dangerous thing is that he does not know what it is to know something.
The United States is rightly worried that a strange and callow leader controls North Korea’s nuclear arsenal. North Korea should reciprocate this worry. Yes, a 70-year-old can be callow if he speaks as sophomorically as Trump did when explaining his solution to Middle Eastern terrorism: “I would bomb the s--- out of them. . . . I’d blow up the pipes, I’d blow up the refineries, I’d blow up every single inch, there would be nothing left.”
As a candidate, Trump did not know what the nuclear triad is. Asked about it, he said: “We have to be extremely vigilant and extremely careful when it comes to nuclear. Nuclear changes the whole ballgame.” Invited to elaborate, he said: “I think — I think, for me, nuclear is just the power, the devastation is very important to me.” Someone Trump deemed fit to be a spokesman for him appeared on television to put a tasty dressing on her employer’s word salad: “What good does it do to have a good nuclear triad if you’re afraid to use it?” To which a retired Army colonel appearing on the same program replied with amazed asperity: “The point of the nuclear triad is to be afraid to use the damn thing.”
As president-elect, Trump did not know the pedigree and importance of the one-China policy. About such things he can be, if he is willing to be, tutored. It is, however, too late to rectify this defect: He lacks what T.S. Eliot called a sense “not only of the pastness of the past, but of its presence.” His fathomless lack of interest in America’s path to the present and his limitless gullibility leave him susceptible to being blown about by gusts of factoids that cling like lint to a disorderly mind.
Americans have placed vast military power at the discretion of this mind, a presidential discretion that is largely immune to restraint by the Madisonian system of institutional checks and balances. So, it is up to the public to quarantine this presidency by insistently communicating to its elected representatives a steady, rational fear of this man whose combination of impulsivity and credulity render him uniquely unfit to take the nation into a military conflict.
ALL OF WHICH APPLIES EQUALLY TO YOU.
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https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=60M7R3S1e7U
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https://youtu.be/lhDz8xMXU8s
Trump's invisible accordion has been getting a real workout lately.
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I feel sorry for the US.
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https://youtu.be/lhDz8xMXU8s
Trump's invisible accordion has been getting a real workout lately.
:lol1: :plus: Sorry, I can't really plus you.
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https://youtu.be/lhDz8xMXU8s
Trump's invisible accordion has been getting a real workout lately.
:lol1: :plus: Sorry, I can't really plus you.
That's cool, as long as you had a chuckle or whatever gophers do when they are amused.
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https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/trump-has-a-dangerous-disability/2017/05/03/56ca6118-2f6b-11e7-9534-00e4656c22aa_story.html?utm_term=.702107549f5d (https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/trump-has-a-dangerous-disability/2017/05/03/56ca6118-2f6b-11e7-9534-00e4656c22aa_story.html?utm_term=.702107549f5d)
Trump has a dangerous disability
blah, blah, blah..
Americans have placed vast military power at the discretion of this mind
...blah blah
ALL OF WHICH APPLIES EQUALLY TO YOU.
Be afraid.
Be very afraid. :evillaugh:
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https://youtu.be/lhDz8xMXU8s
Trump's invisible accordion has been getting a real workout lately.
:lol1: :plus: Sorry, I can't really plus you.
That's cool, as long as you had a chuckle or whatever gophers do when they are amused.
I'm sure it will make me chuckle a lot of times. He does it so much, I'll never be able to see him talk again without thinking about that. :lol1:
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Trying to hide his tracks by suppressing funding to the WHO. Fucking idiot, he is endangering the globe.
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Trying to hide his tracks by suppressing funding to the WHO. Fucking idiot, he is endangering the globe.
Lets not forget he ripped the guts out of the CDC.
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Trying to hide his tracks by suppressing funding to the WHO. Fucking idiot, he is endangering the globe.
Lets not forget he ripped the guts out of the CDC.
Let's not. Honestly, I'd be thrilled if he contracted the virus and suffered horribly before dying, three or four weeks later.
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Trying to hide his tracks by suppressing funding to the WHO. Fucking idiot, he is endangering the globe.
Lets not forget he ripped the guts out of the CDC.
Let's not. Honestly, I'd be thrilled if he contracted the virus and suffered horribly before dying, three or four weeks later.
I keep wishing the same thing! And for pence, mcconnel, and his entire family!
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It's incredible that anyone still buys his bs. I mean, seriously?
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Telling the states to find their own medical supplies and then sending in FEMA to hijack them when they do, and playing political "favorites" when people's lives are at stake.
https://www.huffpost.com/entry/fema-trump-medical-supplies-milford-massachusetts-coronavirus_n_5e951e90c5b63e2705cafe90
I hope they all rot in hell...or prison, whichever comes first.
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FFS, that's just insane.
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Telling the states to find their own medical supplies and then sending in FEMA to hijack them when they do, and playing political "favorites" when people's lives are at stake.
https://www.huffpost.com/entry/fema-trump-medical-supplies-milford-massachusetts-coronavirus_n_5e951e90c5b63e2705cafe90
I hope they all rot in hell...or prison, whichever comes first.
My thoughts exactly!
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Okay. I don't know if I have posted to this topic or not, but if Trump gets elected again I'm seriously considering moving to, Canada. :zoinks:
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Canada will build a wall that you'll have to pay for. :trollface:
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I think Canada has sealed it's Borders with America. There is a funny meme on FB that goes:
What Borders on Stupidity?
Mexico and Canada!
:laugh:
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^ :LMAO:
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That's pretty funny. :laugh:
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Oh hell I'm ready, I've been ready.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eySDeBdqxGY
F*ck this shit here.
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Relevant
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Almost spooky. Check the date when Ricky Gervais originally posted this.
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Almost spooky. Check the date when Ricky Gervais originally posted this.
By that time, the primaries had been active for a full month and trump was already looking to be the most likely republican nominee.
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Almost spooky. Check the date when Ricky Gervais originally posted this.
By that time, the primaries had been active for a full month and trump was already looking to be the most likely republican nominee.
Yes, I get that.
And I get that it wasn't a prediction, it was just a snarky comment.
It's just spooky that it lines up with Trump's very recent suggestion.
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Almost spooky. Check the date when Ricky Gervais originally posted this.
By that time, the primaries had been active for a full month and trump was already looking to be the most likely republican nominee.
Yes, I get that.
And I get that it wasn't a prediction, it was just a snarky comment.
It's just spooky that it lines up with Trump's very recent suggestion.
Okay, now I get it. :laugh:
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I will miss the daily press briefings. His invisible accordion gets a good workout at those.
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He'll be back.
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His invisible accordion gets a good workout at those.
I have to thank you again for that. :2thumbsup: I don't even know how much Surgarbutt and I laughed about that crap. He had already seen a video like that a long time ago, but he's also a huge fan of anything that makes me smile or laugh, so it made for some nightly fun and hilarity for the two of us. :lol1:
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I hear that bleach cures windmill cancer.
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Makes a great cocktail too! :green:
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Add some party lights and any virus will disappear. It'll be like a miracle. ;D
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Mike Pence is set to be his disease vector. :autism:
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Hope springs eternal.
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If it makes anyone feel better, Trump's approval rating is back up to 49% again. :zoinks:
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People really are idiots. I rest my case.
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I'm happy not to be living in a country where 49% of people are....
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I'm happy not to be living in a country where 49% of people are....
Stupid.......be very glad! I wish I wasn't. He lost the popular vote but gerrymandering by the republitard magatards and the stupidity of the DNC handed trumpolini the white house on a platter. >:(
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People really are idiots. I rest my case.
I'm sure it's short lived. The only other time it was ever that high, was right after all the impeachment stuff. Now it's probably because he just doled out money. He could have funneled all that cash into the state's unemployment programs to more substantially help the people who are actually in need of assistance, but no, so right now he's just popular for acting like Oprah.
:lol1:
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:rofl:
Love them both. :plus:
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I was wondering the other day if Al would still defend Trump, in light of his recent behaviour.
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I was wondering the other day if Al would still defend Trump, in light of his recent behaviour.
He has done very well. Not perfectly but that should not be the standard to measure any complex response. He act on information which was getting countered hourly and had no clairvoyance.
He will get run through the mud by idiots who are armchair quarterbacks who could not have done better and could not suggest who under exactly the same circu.stances could have done better (certainly not Hillary, as we saw with Benghazi) or Obama (after 62 million people in US contracted swine flu).
For the people who dislike Trump, they are NOT basing this on anything. They do not like him so they say “Well he did not do x.” or worse, without any real concept of what actions he was doing and just a highlight reel of idiot Left wing reporters trying to do gotcha questions, and their own bias, say he did nothing.
I do not need to tell you this is stupid and i suspect they know this themselves
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PD9XWTbbSGA
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PD9XWTbbSGA
Its a load of BS anyway. Sure cases are increasing a will slowly climb but it is petering out. Unless there are BIG outbreaks, at its current rate, i see it reaching 95000 to 100000. Means that if you have carriers isolated and a reasonable response including any restricting the ill from other countries, You may still get a couple of cases. Many countries have had all the infected full recover.
Its nearly over.
Sucks if you have it but your chances to get it unless you are going to China is likely pretty limited
Trump is being overly simplistic and speaking in hyperbole as is his want, but he is correct, again. It is not a threat like it was 2 weeks ago or 2 months ago.
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Here's Trump "being sarcastic": https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0wcQYA-ol_A
So here's the question: how much bleach did you consume after watching this?
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:fp: Magatards, magatards are everywhere.........I am LIVING here, LIVING thru this..........I am done......
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:fp: Magatards, magatards are everywhere.........I am LIVING here, LIVING thru this..........I am done......
I'm so, so sorry.
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This ain't going away magically at 100K dead. Or 200K dead.
It certainly won't go away if you reopen the economy while the virus is still spreading among the community to the degree that it is. What you will get is New York many times over, refrigerator trucks full of corpses, fear and misery.
There will still be those saying he's doing a great job as the numbers continue to climb. Making excuses for the orange clown.
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Meanwhile, some idiots are spreading the "Plandemic" bs and making things worse.
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Corona Virus is highly infectious and has a 14 day incubation period. It remains alive in the air for 24 hours and is an airborne virus.
By the time Trump was aware there was already many people having returned and infecting people for sometime. He stopped travel from China pretty quickly but there were others coming in from other countries that had been infected from China and so it goes.
In short it was an impossible ask. No one could have prevented it.
Next!
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Corona Virus is highly infectious and has a 14 day incubation period. It remains alive in the air for 24 hours and is an airborne virus.
By the time Trump was aware there was already many people having returned and infecting people for sometime. He stopped travel from China pretty quickly but there were others coming in from other countries that had been infected from China and so it goes.
In short it was an impossible ask. No one could have prevented it.
Next!
If you compare the response from Canada to the response the US, the numbers speak for themselves.
Canada: 68,848 cases to date and 4,870 deaths
US: 1,370,999 cases to date and 80,870 deaths
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Corona Virus is highly infectious and has a 14 day incubation period. It remains alive in the air for 24 hours and is an airborne virus.
By the time Trump was aware there was already many people having returned and infecting people for sometime. He stopped travel from China pretty quickly but there were others coming in from other countries that had been infected from China and so it goes.
In short it was an impossible ask. No one could have prevented it.
Next!
If you compare the response from Canada to the response the US, the numbers speak for themselves.
Canada: 68,848 cases to date and 4,870 deaths
US: 1,370,999 cases to date and 80,870 deaths
The crisis will go away and tbe disease will no longer be the crisis it was.
Think of all the diseases around without cures that are not in a state of crisis. The epidemic will not last forver. It will stop being a crisis well before a cure is discover (which will probably be a year away)
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The recent video that sent him into a hours long rage tweet session for any that may have missed it.
The Lincoln Project was formed in late 2019 by several prominent Republicans.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t_yG_-K2MDo
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Corona Virus is highly infectious and has a 14 day incubation period. It remains alive in the air for 24 hours and is an airborne virus.
By the time Trump was aware there was already many people having returned and infecting people for sometime. He stopped travel from China pretty quickly but there were others coming in from other countries that had been infected from China and so it goes.
In short it was an impossible ask. No one could have prevented it.
Next!
If you compare the response from Canada to the response the US, the numbers speak for themselves.
Canada: 68,848 cases to date and 4,870 deaths
US: 1,370,999 cases to date and 80,870 deaths
The crisis will go away and tbe disease will no longer be the crisis it was.
Think of all the diseases around without cures that are not in a state of crisis. The epidemic will not last forver. It will stop being a crisis well before a cure is discover (which will probably be a year away)
If people and governments follow the advice backed by the medical and science communities. The drastic difference in the numbers from two very similar countries is because one took the medical advice seriously and the other did not and the results of that are clear.
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The drastic difference in the numbers from two very similar countries is because one took the medical advice seriously and the other did not and the results of that are clear.
Did not and still won't. The lack of action and the lack of science based information (don't wear a mask, wear a mask) in the critical first weeks I think really took it's toll.
It's alarming as to how many are treating this still as a hoax or claiming wearing a mask to protect themselves and others is "infringing on their personal freedoms".
Canada will need the wall pretty soon, I look for a second wave larger then the first with the way things are going.
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Agreed. This was a good read
https://www.erinbromage.com/post/the-risks-know-them-avoid-them?fbclid=IwAR0K1QO_4WhJctBKo08Z7kaydReek9bPeerQJ5jGsNSiLLaqK8KMbAP2IF8
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The drastic difference in the numbers from two very similar countries is because one took the medical advice seriously and the other did not and the results of that are clear.
Did not and still won't. The lack of action and the lack of science based information (don't wear a mask, wear a mask) in the critical first weeks I think really took it's toll.
It's alarming as to how many are treating this still as a hoax or claiming wearing a mask to protect themselves and others is "infringing on their personal freedoms".
Canada will need the wall pretty soon, I look for a second wave larger then the first with the way things are going.
No one believes it is a hoax. This is one of the stupidest Leftist talking points.
No, the President did not call the Corona virus a hoax. The President did call the smears on him and his presumed ineffectiveness at dealing with the Corona Virus a hoax. Yes it was clear. No, no rational person conflated what he was calling a hoax. Yes plenty of anti-Trumpers did pretend they misunderstood . No, no Trump supporters believed Trump was calling the virus a hoax.
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Agreed. This was a good read
https://www.erinbromage.com/post/the-risks-know-them-avoid-them?fbclid=IwAR0K1QO_4WhJctBKo08Z7kaydReek9bPeerQJ5jGsNSiLLaqK8KMbAP2IF8
Thanks for sharing. SO has a bar the size of a small family run 2 stall auto shop...with lousy ventilation. He's also high risk. I am dreading the reopening everyone is pushing for so fervently here in this rural red zone I'm in.
No one believes it is a hoax. This is one of the stupidest Leftist talking points.
....No, no Trump supporters believed Trump was calling the virus a hoax.
Hate to bust your bubble buttercup, but some of these morons truly do...and I've heard it straight from their lips and read it on their facebook posts...and if that's the case here in nowhere land, I'm sure it's the case elsewhere as well.
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Hate to bust your bubble buttercup, but some of these morons truly do...and I've heard it straight from their lips and read it on their facebook posts...and if that's the case here in nowhere land, I'm sure it's the case elsewhere as well.
You narrative is long destroyed. Your propaganda campsign in tatters.
Sucks to be you guys.
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Corona Virus is highly infectious and has a 14 day incubation period. It remains alive in the air for 24 hours and is an airborne virus.
By the time Trump was aware there was already many people having returned and infecting people for sometime. He stopped travel from China pretty quickly but there were others coming in from other countries that had been infected from China and so it goes.
In short it was an impossible ask. No one could have prevented it.
Next!
He was repeatedly warned in January but failed to act. After he "stopped travel" from China, around 40,000 people still made the journey. Etc. The facts are out there, easily found, as are Trump's numerous lies.
Why are you being so dishonest?
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The drastic difference in the numbers from two very similar countries is because one took the medical advice seriously and the other did not and the results of that are clear.
Did not and still won't. The lack of action and the lack of science based information (don't wear a mask, wear a mask) in the critical first weeks I think really took it's toll.
It's alarming as to how many are treating this still as a hoax or claiming wearing a mask to protect themselves and others is "infringing on their personal freedoms".
Canada will need the wall pretty soon, I look for a second wave larger then the first with the way things are going.
No one believes it is a hoax. This is one of the stupidest Leftist talking points.
No, the President did not call the Corona virus a hoax. The President did call the smears on him and his presumed ineffectiveness at dealing with the Corona Virus a hoax. Yes it was clear. No, no rational person conflated what he was calling a hoax. Yes plenty of anti-Trumpers did pretend they misunderstood . No, no Trump supporters believed Trump was calling the virus a hoax.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G5TZ6fTYrsE
Oh, and you'll like this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5DmW_H4U-MI
Why are you being dishonest?
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Corona Virus is highly infectious and has a 14 day incubation period. It remains alive in the air for 24 hours and is an airborne virus.
By the time Trump was aware there was already many people having returned and infecting people for sometime. He stopped travel from China pretty quickly but there were others coming in from other countries that had been infected from China and so it goes.
In short it was an impossible ask. No one could have prevented it.
Next!
He was repeatedly warned in January but failed to act. After he "stopped travel" from China, around 40,000 people still made the journey. Etc. The facts are out there, easily found, as are Trump's numerous lies.
Why are you being so dishonest?
when people are petrified and for good reason and the media is sensational and divisive and has exaggerated this fear and increased animus against Trump, then of course people are going to panic and not listen to anything Trump says and not acknowledge anytbing he says, but rather support propaganda from Leftist news
See how insincere and disingenuous your question was?
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Trump has produced some 18,000 lies in his 3+ years in office. No wonder people stop listening. Seriously, Al, how much bleach did you consume that fateful Thursday? Did the UV light get stuck?
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Trump has produced some 18,000 lies in his 3+ years in office. No wonder people stop listening. Seriously, Al, how much bleach did you consume that fateful Thursday? Did the UV light get stuck?
Is no one paying attention to you? Shame. Things aren't working out for you are they? Trump's re-election will be tough.
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Tosses out email address and any hope. :facepalm2:
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Corona Virus is highly infectious and has a 14 day incubation period. It remains alive in the air for 24 hours and is an airborne virus.
By the time Trump was aware there was already many people having returned and infecting people for sometime. He stopped travel from China pretty quickly but there were others coming in from other countries that had been infected from China and so it goes.
In short it was an impossible ask. No one could have prevented it.
Next!
If you compare the response from Canada to the response the US, the numbers speak for themselves.
Canada: 68,848 cases to date and 4,870 deaths
US: 1,370,999 cases to date and 80,870 deaths
The crisis will go away and tbe disease will no longer be the crisis it was.
Think of all the diseases around without cures that are not in a state of crisis. The epidemic will not last forver. It will stop being a crisis well before a cure is discover (which will probably be a year away)
If people and governments follow the advice backed by the medical and science communities. The drastic difference in the numbers from two very similar countries is because one took the medical advice seriously and the other did not and the results of that are clear.
The UK's covid-19 death toll is already higher than any other country in the world...except the USA
Now, what do these two countries have in common?- Both are led by oversized right wing clowns
- Both intitially ignored scientific advice at the outset and went in for herd immunity, for the "sake of the Economy"
I could go on, but you get the picture.
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:fp: Magatards, magatards are everywhere.........I am LIVING here, LIVING thru this..........I am done......
I'm so, so sorry.
Thank you! I hear this shit spouted from my own country, to hear it spouted by an AH from thousands of miles away makes me lose my lunch and patience. ENOUGH!!!!
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Corona Virus is highly infectious and has a 14 day incubation period. It remains alive in the air for 24 hours and is an airborne virus.
By the time Trump was aware there was already many people having returned and infecting people for sometime. He stopped travel from China pretty quickly but there were others coming in from other countries that had been infected from China and so it goes.
In short it was an impossible ask. No one could have prevented it.
Next!
If you compare the response from Canada to the response the US, the numbers speak for themselves.
Canada: 68,848 cases to date and 4,870 deaths
US: 1,370,999 cases to date and 80,870 deaths
The crisis will go away and tbe disease will no longer be the crisis it was.
Think of all the diseases around without cures that are not in a state of crisis. The epidemic will not last forver. It will stop being a crisis well before a cure is discover (which will probably be a year away)
If people and governments follow the advice backed by the medical and science communities. The drastic difference in the numbers from two very similar countries is because one took the medical advice seriously and the other did not and the results of that are clear.
The UK's covid-19 death toll is already higher than any other country in the world...except the USA
Now, what do these two countries have in common?- Both are led by oversized right wing clowns
- Both intitially ignored scientific advice at the outset and went in for herd immunity, for the "sake of the Economy"
I could go on, but you get the picture.
It's not rocket science, except to the two clowns.
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^and their millions of voluntary minions *sigh*
:apondering: i wonder why this board is relatively free of those minions?
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Because they're outnumbered here?
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:apondering: weeeeell, when you put it like that...
it sounds downright tautologous :LOL:
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It's odd that the two clowns got elected in the first place. But then, I find humanity baffling.
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Yep, the morons saying they aren't going to wear a mask "because God will protect them" are some of the same ones carrying rifles around because "they need protection".
It's like I'm 7 again and watching a circus act.
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Yep, the morons saying they aren't going to wear a mask "because God will protect them" are some of the same ones carrying rifles around because "they need protection".
Darwin could finally defeat religion. :zoinks:
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About Dr Fauci's cautionary comments.
"I was surprised by his answer, actually," Trump said. "It's just -- to me it's not an acceptable answer, especially when it comes to schools."
Yeah, what does Fauci know, he's just some scientist guy and Trump is the all-seeing President.
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Yep, the morons saying they aren't going to wear a mask "because God will protect them" are some of the same ones carrying rifles around because "they need protection".
excellent point , IQ :lol1: :plus:
THe sad truth is we all need protection from said morons :(
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They're everywhere.
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One of my cousins in the Midwest US sent the new campaign video of the cheeto in charge to me on FB last night. I left him on read. He should know better than to send that to me. But he's Mormon so the Cheeto is their man :thumbdn:
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Why would he be their man? I mean, he's broken every commandment there is, most of them serially.
It still amazes me that *anyone* would ever consider voting for him.
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They're massive NRA supporters. The Mormon Church has given permission for its members to conceal carry or open carry in states that allow it while they're in church. Plus they're anti LGBTQ2 and the narrative of "the left is trying to take away all of your constitutional rights" scares the beejeebus out of them enough to be consistently a loyal right wing vote.
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Fucking nutters, the NRA *and* the Mormons.
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One of my cousins in the Midwest US sent the new campaign video of the cheeto in charge to me on FB last night. I left him on read. He should know better than to send that to me. But he's Mormon so the Cheeto is their man :thumbdn:
Send them political stuff about your country. :zoinks:
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One of my cousins in the Midwest US sent the new campaign video of the cheeto in charge to me on FB last night. I left him on read. He should know better than to send that to me. But he's Mormon so the Cheeto is their man :thumbdn:
Send them political stuff about your country. :zoinks:
I'd be so afraid I'd get a "Dear Sister in Christ" letter in response telling me the error of my ways. :zombiefuck: :laugh:
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One of my cousins in the Midwest US sent the new campaign video of the cheeto in charge to me on FB last night. I left him on read. He should know better than to send that to me. But he's Mormon so the Cheeto is their man :thumbdn:
Send them political stuff about your country. :zoinks:
I'd be so afraid I'd get a "Dear Sister in Christ" letter in response telling me the error of my ways. :zombiefuck: :laugh:
I just thought it was funny they sent a campaign video. Tell them you're totally voting for him. :zoinks:
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Same around here. No Morman's, but the local church 3 miles down had a gun blessing ceremony after he was elected if that tells you anything. :zombiefuck:
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A what? :tinfoil:
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A what? :tinfoil:
I know, right? :aff:
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This is from 2018 but it's some serious craziness https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-43231638
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A what? :tinfoil:
I know, right? :aff:
We own guns, I grew up around guns.
But I never thought it was this crazy...and never around here.
Never.
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A what? :tinfoil:
I know, right? :aff:
We own guns, I grew up around guns.
But I never thought it was this crazy...and never around here.
Never.
I had so much trouble believing it, I looked it up on snopes. Snopes made it sound like an isolated thing by a single group which is viewed as a cult, but um yeah, apparently that crap was real. :aff:
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That mess was about 4 hours away....and at the time I remember being happy it WAS 4 hours away.
This one was local and about a month or so after that mess, quiet little church, no headlines that I know of, but damn, all I could remember thinking was wtf.
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This is from 2018 but it's some serious craziness https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-43231638
That last photo... shitty anime drawing hung and labelled right alongside actual photo of some nutcase woman with her gun, in portrait row.
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I'm actually pro-gun... but the only place I would expect a weapon blessing ceremony is a fantasy novel.
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The church believes the Florida shooting could have been avoided had teachers been armed
Yes. Let's solve the gun violence problem by adding more guns.
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Watching US politics these days is fascinating. It’s better than most drama shows on TV.
With that said, I wish that both major political parties in the US would focus on helping the people of the US get through the coronavirus crisis rather than spending time going at each other’s throats all the time.
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Watching US politics these days is fascinating. It’s better than most drama shows on TV.
With that said, I wish that both major political parties in the US would focus on helping the people of the US get through the coronavirus crisis rather than spending time going at each other’s throats all the time.
Welcome back.
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This is from 2018 but it's some serious craziness https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-43231638
That last photo... shitty anime drawing hung and labelled right alongside actual photo of some nutcase woman with her gun, in portrait row.
at the bottom of the page, you find out that it's the Moonies. you know, those nuts who have the mass weddings? Moon is now dead, but the madness lives on *sigh * This gun fixation is singularly odd, considering they're supposed to all about peace and reconciliation...oh! and Business enterprises :tard: (yeah, Im very slow, but think i'm getting there now)
Nice find, Phoenix :plus:
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Watching US politics these days is fascinating. It’s better than most drama shows on TV.
With that said, I wish that both major political parties in the US would focus on helping the people of the US get through the coronavirus crisis rather than spending time going at each other’s throats all the time.
I've been finding it more stressful than fascinating, so I've been trying to avoid it. :dunno:
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No wonder. For us, it's half a globe away, and while what the orange moron does affect us, it's not that immediate.
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We've started having a trickle of that mindset head north over the border but the numbers are still small and thank god that when this hit, our politicians had the sense to recognize that bi partisan politics was the right thing to go. We're starting to lose that now.
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No wonder. For us, it's half a globe away, and while what the orange moron does effect us, it's not that immediate.
Too much exposure to politics is usually stressful to me, but right now it's more tempting to be exposed to too much. Since it's an election year, that would probably still be true even without a pandemic. I was really just trying to engage Daisy, since she was nice enough to stop by and post. :orly:
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Just wow
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I don't know what to say. I wish I could say I'm surprised.
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Ouch.
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LOL
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LOL
:laugh: :plus:
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:LMAO:
https://teacherpoetmusicianglenbrown.blogspot.com/2020/01/from-poetry-of-donald-j-trump.html
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... and they did a tremendous job. A really great job. Working as hard as they can.
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Trump just enacted military law and dispersed the peaceful protests at the WH with tear gas and flash bangs. This is horrific, the direction it's headed in.
https://www.cnn.com/2020/06/01/politics/donald-trump-national-address-race/index.html
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Textbook narcissistic behaviour, wanting to be seen as the hero. The saviour. Deliberately creating crises that he can paint himself as the hero at the centre of.
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I weep for humanity!
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Textbook narcissistic behaviour, wanting to be seen as the hero. The saviour. Deliberately creating crises that he can paint himself as the hero at the centre of.
Absolutely. Although now his ego has created a Civil War.
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It's funny, about four years ago, I said that I was embarrassed for this country in response to Trump's election. Now I'm even more embarrassed. And a bit scared. Just wow.
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Looks to me like the US is falling apart.
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https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-06-02/george-floyd-protesters-tear-gassed-trump-photo-opportunity/12311628
So Trump ordered police to attack peaceful protesters. Violating their most basic rights. For a photo op. Holing a bible, trying to look like a good Christian.
Arlington has withdrawn their police officers from Washington DC over such flagrant misuse. The bishop of the church he walked to for the photo op is outraged and disgusted, as she should be.
Trump is showing his true colours. And snowflake Al isn't even here to protect him.
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Trump is a fascist larping as a US president, while his party just falls in line behind him. Sometimes I wonder if there's even going to be an election...
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It's really worrying... I feel so isolated from the insanity up here, but I'm worried for all my friends and family in the USA.
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It's really worrying... I feel so isolated from the insanity up here, but I'm worried for all my friends and family in the USA.
Same. My parents and little sister are in the deep south.
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Posed for a photo op holding bible.
Upside down.
"Hey, look at me, I'm the fucking antichrist".
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"When Fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross"
...or...in this case, holding a bible.
They even managed to tear gas a couple of the priests dispensing water and aid to protesters when they cleared the area for his little sideshow.
I can't even watch anymore. It's sickening.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fm0CVQB6Zk0
This is brilliant, the bishop of that church makes it absolutely clear what she thinks of Trump.
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Posed for a photo op holding bible.
Upside down.
"Hey, look at me, I'm the fucking antichrist".
Heck, I didn't even notice it was upside down. I don't know whether to laugh or cry.
I just love that Bishop's speech. Thanks for posting that! :plus: (for the Bish, but she isn't here , so you'll have to do )
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Heck, I didn't even notice it was upside down. I don't know whether to laugh or cry.
I just love that Bishop's speech. Thanks for posting that! :plus: (for the Bish, but she isn't here , so you'll have to do )
Being as atheist as I am, it takes a lot for a Bishop to impress me.
And that impressed the heck out of me.
Maybe the Pope should take a leaf out of her book? (I know they aren't part of the same religious group, but still...)
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And the police is deliberately shooting at journalists in the process.
It's fucked up.
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GWB made a statement last night, not against Trump directly but regarding the situation and he has a strong personal policy of not speaking about any President that comes after him so this is actually encouraging since he's from the same party. I've been saying that more of his party needs to take a stand and say enough. This isn't even about party lines anymore, it's about humanity. So this is at least a start. Sometimes if one breaks ranks, others will have the guts to follow.
https://www.houstonchronicle.com/news/article/George-W-Bush-calls-out-racial-injustices-and-15312017.php
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And now a U.S Military Advisor has resigned as well.
"You may not have been able to stop President Trump from directing this appalling use of force, but you could have chosen to oppose it," Miller wrote to Esper in his resignation letter, which was obtained by The Washington Post. "Instead, you visibly supported it."
https://www.businessinsider.com/us-military-adviser-resigns-after-trump-photo-op-at-church-2020-6?fbclid=IwAR00oLjokI18C2J2JdPU6MbIfBlBA3D-RmVWXkqStjfPeOrT-ntPZUbtuCg
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GWB made a statement last night, not against Trump directly but regarding the situation and he has a strong personal policy of not speaking about any President that comes after him so this is actually encouraging since he's from the same party. I've been saying that more of his party needs to take a stand and say enough. This isn't even about party lines anymore, it's about humanity. So this is at least a start. Sometimes if one breaks ranks, others will have the guts to follow.
https://www.houstonchronicle.com/news/article/George-W-Bush-calls-out-racial-injustices-and-15312017.php
For all his faults, at least GWB is human.
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Some of the recent events in the USA very much remind me of notorious Battle of the Beanfield, in England 1985, when police set about New Age travellers (including pregnant women and children) and their vehicles with truncheons. Just for being in the wrong place at the wrong time.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_the_Beanfield (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_the_Beanfield)
Seems like Trump finds that kind of thing inspirational.
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The more chaos, the more he has an excuse and self-justification for exercising power.
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Some of the recent events in the USA very much remind me of notorious Battle of the Beanfield, in England 1985, when police set about New Age travellers (including pregnant women and children) and their vehicles with truncheons. Just for being in the wrong place at the wrong time.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_the_Beanfield (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_the_Beanfield)
Seems like Trump finds that kind of thing inspirational.
Of course he does. :hitler:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ToKrmo9H8XY&list=PLD86C64A5B1927DD7&index=11&t=0s
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And here we go....I had said the other day to someone that if someone with some kind of power in the Republican party would say enough, then it would start a chain reaction. GWB started it and now we're on to #3.
https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2020/06/james-mattis-denounces-trump-protests-militarization/612640/?fbclid=IwAR0jGV5OYFuvf_47hfUB6IBMlr1AcCTUscdsuo-2qM-kQhg5PBixv_X2SXo
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Holy shit. #4. Did NOT see this one coming! :jawdrop:
https://www.huffingtonpost.ca/entry/pat-robertson-trump-military_n_5ed6f86ac5b6d69f1da719bf?ri18n=true
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Some of the recent events in the USA very much remind me of notorious Battle of the Beanfield, in England 1985, when police set about New Age travellers (including pregnant women and children) and their vehicles with truncheons. Just for being in the wrong place at the wrong time.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_the_Beanfield (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_the_Beanfield)
Seems like Trump finds that kind of thing inspirational.
That's not the only thing he finds inspirational:
(https://www.snopes.com/tachyon/2020/06/90769134_10222940314766578_727713317031772160_n.jpg)
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And here we go....I had said the other day to someone that if someone with some kind of power in the Republican party would say enough, then it would start a chain reaction. GWB started it and now we're on to #3.
https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2020/06/james-mattis-denounces-trump-protests-militarization/612640/?fbclid=IwAR0jGV5OYFuvf_47hfUB6IBMlr1AcCTUscdsuo-2qM-kQhg5PBixv_X2SXo
Oh hellllllllll yes.
*standing ovation*
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Holy shit. #4. Did NOT see this one coming! :jawdrop:
https://www.huffingtonpost.ca/entry/pat-robertson-trump-military_n_5ed6f86ac5b6d69f1da719bf?ri18n=true
Take this with a grain of salt. pat roberstson is not exactly a paragon of sanity. Nice to see this, but, I remain guarded.
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(https://www.snopes.com/tachyon/2020/06/90769134_10222940314766578_727713317031772160_n.jpg)
This was too good to be true.
I went looking for the same pic on google so I could post a link on another site and.... it's photoshopped.
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Holy shit. #4. Did NOT see this one coming! :jawdrop:
https://www.huffingtonpost.ca/entry/pat-robertson-trump-military_n_5ed6f86ac5b6d69f1da719bf?ri18n=true
Take this with a grain of salt. pat roberstson is not exactly a paragon of sanity. Nice to see this, but, I remain guarded.
Robertson is a hateful man and this changes none of it. Why it matters though is because he and the Orange Cheeto share the same base so this could have impact.
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It's been rather telling, that the NRA and the gun nuts have been very quiet about trumpolini threatening military action against the police brutality protests. Very telling. And yet, when the militia people stormed and threatened state capitals over COVID restrictions the orange faced shit gibbon called them "very fine people" and backed them. The hypocrisy tide is rsisng!
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I have someone on my friends' list that is the former associate editor for the NRA and shockingly, he's for the peaceful protesting, he's against bad cops, but he blames the bad cops on the Dem's saying that the states with the worst bad caop stats are run by Dems. Weird angle.
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I have someone on my friends' list that is the former associate editor for the NRA and shockingly, he's for the peaceful protesting, he's against bad cops, but he blames the bad cops on the Dem's saying that the states with the worst bad caop stats are run by Dems. Weird angle.
Ok, I have heard that one several times. Seems to be a form of gaslighting. It's one of those ideology's that make me go WTF!
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I have someone on my friends' list that is the former associate editor for the NRA and shockingly, he's for the peaceful protesting, he's against bad cops, but he blames the bad cops on the Dem's saying that the states with the worst bad caop stats are run by Dems. Weird angle.
I think it was Mark Clements or Samuel Twain or someone famous who said something like, There are lies and there are damn lies, then there are statistics.
Those statements can be made either way you want to fudgitate the results.
We have to draw our own conclusions and who is going to argue with "bad cops, bad?" By meeting us half way these types of projected positions can gain trust and the ideas they proposed are out there now.
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I have someone on my friends' list that is the former associate editor for the NRA and shockingly, he's for the peaceful protesting, he's against bad cops, but he blames the bad cops on the Dem's saying that the states with the worst bad caop stats are run by Dems. Weird angle.
An NRA member who doesn't like the Democrats and presents dodgy statistics? Is that a thing?
Are those stats based on claims of assault and misconduct, or on convictions of cops for assault or misconduct?
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Yeah, who knows. I wasn't about to engage because I know his friends list is full of people who are die hard Trump supporters and that was not an atmosphere I wanted to wade into.
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I have someone on my friends' list that is the former associate editor for the NRA and shockingly, he's for the peaceful protesting, he's against bad cops, but he blames the bad cops on the Dem's saying that the states with the worst bad caop stats are run by Dems. Weird angle.
An NRA member who doesn't like the Democrats and presents dodgy statistics? Is that a thing?
Are those stats based on claims of assault and misconduct, or on convictions of cops for assault or misconduct?
I hate to tell you this but that photo of trumpolini with the bible in front of a church was not photoshopped. Neither was the photo of sopia loren topless...........that I posted long ago. Just sayin'............are you turning into Al now? Is there something in the water in OZ that makes people confrontational? I like you, but, that photoshop comment made me wonder!
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Reuters fact checked the Hitler bible pic and it was indeed photoshopped.
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I have someone on my friends' list that is the former associate editor for the NRA and shockingly, he's for the peaceful protesting, he's against bad cops, but he blames the bad cops on the Dem's saying that the states with the worst bad caop stats are run by Dems. Weird angle.
An NRA member who doesn't like the Democrats and presents dodgy statistics? Is that a thing?
Are those stats based on claims of assault and misconduct, or on convictions of cops for assault or misconduct?
I hate to tell you this but that photo of trumpolini with the bible in front of a church was not photoshopped. Neither was the photo of sopia loren topless...........that I posted long ago. Just sayin'............are you turning into Al now? Is there something in the water in OZ that makes people confrontational? I like you, but, that photoshop comment made me wonder!
Nah, we are all good. Trump is Nazi Lite, absolutely, but the Hitler side of the photo was fake. The photo of Trump and the fact that they used tear gas and stun grenades to clear peaceful protesters, all 100% real.
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I have someone on my friends' list that is the former associate editor for the NRA and shockingly, he's for the peaceful protesting, he's against bad cops, but he blames the bad cops on the Dem's saying that the states with the worst bad caop stats are run by Dems. Weird angle.
An NRA member who doesn't like the Democrats and presents dodgy statistics? Is that a thing?
Are those stats based on claims of assault and misconduct, or on convictions of cops for assault or misconduct?
I hate to tell you this but that photo of trumpolini with the bible in front of a church was not photoshopped. Neither was the photo of sopia loren topless...........that I posted long ago. Just sayin'............are you turning into Al now? Is there something in the water in OZ that makes people confrontational? I like you, but, that photoshop comment made me wonder!
Nah, we are all good. Trump is Nazi Lite, absolutely, but the Hitler side of the photo was fake. The photo of Trump and the fact that they used tear gas and stun grenades to clear peaceful protesters, all 100% real.
Ok, I can deal with that.
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I have someone on my friends' list that is the former associate editor for the NRA and shockingly, he's for the peaceful protesting, he's against bad cops, but he blames the bad cops on the Dem's saying that the states with the worst bad caop stats are run by Dems. Weird angle.
An NRA member who doesn't like the Democrats and presents dodgy statistics? Is that a thing?
Are those stats based on claims of assault and misconduct, or on convictions of cops for assault or misconduct?
(my own underlining)
I think you probably nailed it there. Must be the latter, of course.
I looked at that statistic and thought to myself " WTF? That cant possibly mean what it appears to mean"
I wouldn't jump to the concusion that the guy is deliberately misleading other people though. Most times, when folk take stats like that at face value, and draw absurd conclusions from them, it's because they pulled the wool over their own eyes , long before. I mean, it's probably just another case of confirmation bias.
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(https://scontent.fsyd3-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/101954537_10157687423103878_947225474872901632_n.jpg?_nc_cat=101&_nc_sid=8bfeb9&_nc_ohc=9AB2TAPgqiAAX9Obtws&_nc_ht=scontent.fsyd3-1.fna&oh=bbd5c37c53c5e4c7e5294613964c02ba&oe=5EFF55CB)
Hmmmmm
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^ oh wow! GOTCHA!
Dear god, Mo, that is an an absolute freaking gem :LMAO: :plus:
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Neither was the photo of sopia loren topless...........that I posted long ago.
I had forgotten about that. Sorry if I came across as a dick there.
I am gonna PM you something that you might find interesting, rather than continuing to be a dick out here in the open.
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Neither was the photo of sopia loren topless...........that I posted long ago.
I had forgotten about that. Sorry if I came across as a dick there.
I am gonna PM you something that you might find interesting, rather than continuing to be a dick out here in the open.
You are not coming across as a dick. We all have questions. Asking for clarity is not an attack.
I have only known a few dozen fellows and a few outstanding babes (with musical talent, of course, due to my previous work with entertainers) from down your way and only two that I would consider "close" enough to share some secrets. Known many where insults were exchanged freely whiile remaining cordial at the end of the drink.
I mean you guys play all kinds of funny football. Food for argument over any pint or few.
Never knew anyone who was not a full fledged dick (testosterone poisoned, overly male?). I consider it a badge of honor, almost. Never had to flip one of my Australian buddies and check or anything.
You be you. :viking:
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I have someone on my friends' list that is the former associate editor for the NRA and shockingly, he's for the peaceful protesting, he's against bad cops, but he blames the bad cops on the Dem's saying that the states with the worst bad caop stats are run by Dems. Weird angle.
Are those stats based on claims of assault and misconduct, or on convictions of cops for assault or misconduct?
That depends. What would you like them to reflect?
That is why I paraphrased the Twain quote. So much of the "data" reported is also interpreted for us.
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One of the weird things, among many obviously, among Australians is that you bump into them all over the place. I remember sitting in a park in Austria with my American sheila about 20 years ago, I was wearing a green and red rugby jersey. Someone yelled out in broad Strine: "go the bunnies". Bunnies being a shortened version of "Rabbitohs", the team that wears red and green. That same weekend we were up at Hitler's mountaintop retreat and she said to me "see that guy over there, from the top he is wearing I know that he went to the same university as me, in fact I know his fraternity and I guarantee that we know some of the same people, but I'd never dream of just walking up and talking to him about it. But you bump into some random Australian and you act like you're long lost best friends. You people are so weird".
But the good part is that I got her hooked on us, After she dumped me for being too old and not living in America, she went and married an Australian banker in London and they are still together.
That said, some of the Aussies I've known in far flung places have been among the biggest dicks on the planet.
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:lol1:
I suspect most would be impressed in kind when encountering the occasional "lost" Texan roaming the globe.
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Trump gets the best crowds.
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:lol1:
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Agreed! I posted that on my FB page! :plus:
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Mission accomplished
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I have seen that on FB!
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I googled idiot on Google images and of course, the first thing comes up is Trump, no kidding. He really does. :orly:
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I googled idiot on Google images and of course, the first thing comes up is Trump, no kidding. He really does. :orly:
No surprises there! Or his acolytes and enablers. :plus:
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Life under Trump:
(https://idw.community/idw/images/posts/44314_rlyh4o43eoe7xny_full.jpeg?v=2)
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And here's one destroying America.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QFeewU0HhNE
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That was sickening. He is recovering though and starting PT...he suffered a brain injury. :(
https://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/local/75-year-old-buffalo-protester-hospitalized-after-cop-shove-suffered-brain-injury-lawyer/2457512/
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QXhisDQ6REk
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Which is why Al and is ilk are so sickening, too. I don't understand how he can somehow think his world view is connected to reality in any way, shape or form.
And these videos are literally everywhere, in the news, on the internet, everywhere. How do you reconcile it all with the imagined reality of a few bad apples and cultural Marxism?
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Which is why Al and is ilk are so sickening, too. I don't understand how he can somehow think his world view is connected to reality in any way, shape or form.
And these videos are literally everywhere, in the news, on the internet, everywhere. How do you reconcile it all with the imagined reality of a few bad apples and cultural Marxism?
The only way to deal with people like that is a firm no. When they get riled over the incredulity of someone disagreeing with their ideology tell them No again. When they smear and tantrum, tell them No. When they get violent/do illegal things in response, get a policeman to arrest them and a judge tell their defence......No.
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Which is why Al and is ilk are so sickening, too. I don't understand how he can somehow think his world view is connected to reality in any way, shape or form.
And these videos are literally everywhere, in the news, on the internet, everywhere. How do you reconcile it all with the imagined reality of a few bad apples and cultural Marxism?
The only way to deal with people like that is a firm no. When they get riled over the incredulity of someone disagreeing with their ideology tell them No again. When they smear and tantrum, tell them No. When they get violent/do illegal things in response, get a policeman to arrest them and a judge tell their defence......No.
What on earth are you responding to? Do you even know?
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The cognitive dissonance is strong with this one. :wanker:
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The cognitive dissonance is strong with this one. :wanker:
Another Progressive who is completely unaware of the Progressivism he touts and how hypocritical, delusional stupid and dishonest he is, all whilst making ridiculous proclamation in that same alternating smug righteous indignation/faux moral preening/lecturing. In all these instances they do not realise they are neither moral nor intellectually compelling and one is left with the impression that they are either willfully trying to tell us BS that they know is BS, or they are too stupid to know BS when they say it. Either way it is hard to stomach.
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The cognitive dissonance is strong with this one. :wanker:
I would say, major alcohol intake.
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I left a Discord server over an obnoxious Trumper and his friends constantly trying to take the piss out of me. I can't trust anyone anymore who unironically uses the term "dangerhair" to refer to SJWs, refers to Hillary Clinton as "Killary", has to spend 10 minutes ranting about how horrible of a person Greta is, how the Democrats are "reeing" at Trump being "based" or whatever, etc. You'd never hear anything about the fucked up things Trump and the GOP has done and said. You name it, I heard it from this small group. I joined that server to meme about the lolcow that is DSP and keep up with his antics, not to indulge in some far-right agenda horseshit. Glad I'm out of there.
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The cognitive dissonance is strong with this one. :wanker:
Another Progressive who is completely unaware of the Progressivism he touts and how hypocritical, delusional stupid and dishonest he is, all whilst making ridiculous proclamation in that same alternating smug righteous indignation/faux moral preening/lecturing. In all these instances they do not realise they are neither moral nor intellectually compelling and one is left with the impression that they are either willfully trying to tell us BS that they know is BS, or they are too stupid to know BS when they say it. Either way it is hard to stomach.
Go fuck yourself. :puke:
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The cognitive dissonance is strong with this one. :wanker:
Another Progressive who is completely unaware of the Progressivism he touts and how hypocritical, delusional stupid and dishonest he is, all whilst making ridiculous proclamation in that same alternating smug righteous indignation/faux moral preening/lecturing. In all these instances they do not realise they are neither moral nor intellectually compelling and one is left with the impression that they are either willfully trying to tell us BS that they know is BS, or they are too stupid to know BS when they say it. Either way it is hard to stomach.
Go fuck yourself. :puke:
Seconded!
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The cognitive dissonance is strong with this one. :wanker:
I would say, major alcohol intake.
Guessing it's been going on for a while now.
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A lot of right-wing Kool Aid also appears to have been consumed.
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I also notice blasting near the shore without lights, way too fast in no wake zones, freely, completely unencumbered by the weight and drag associated with an active conscience.
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https://edition.cnn.com/2020/06/10/politics/trump-campaign-cnn-poll/index.html
:laugh:
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He's such a delicate little snowflake. :lol1:
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When Donald, the first of his name, ascends the throne, he'll have CNN outlawed. All news will be delivered by the royal newsdesk.
https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/fox-news-alters-protest-images-video-again-1014675/
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(https://i.imgur.com/TBgmUdZl.jpg)
#BeBest
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:lol1: I wish.
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I reallllly want someone on in the inside to write a book about what it was like working with the entire family. Like J.B West did as head butler for several sitting Presidents. But we'd have to wait until he's dead because he would sue the shit out of the person who did it. His kids most likely would too.
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I reallllly want someone on in the inside to write a book about what it was like working with the entire family. Like J.B West did as head butler for several sitting Presidents. But we'd have to wait until he's dead because he would sue the shit out of the person who did it. His kids most likely would too.
Hell, once he dies the ex wives are going to be racing to the publishers offices with the rest of them and you know it. Those pre-nups and confidentiality agreements are the only thing saving his ass.
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I reallllly want someone on in the inside to write a book about what it was like working with the entire family. Like J.B West did as head butler for several sitting Presidents. But we'd have to wait until he's dead because he would sue the shit out of the person who did it. His kids most likely would too.
Hell, once he dies the ex wives are going to be racing to the publishers offices with the rest of them and you know it. Those pre-nups and confidentiality agreements are the only thing saving his ass.
I bet they're already written :laugh:
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I reallllly want someone on in the inside to write a book about what it was like working with the entire family. Like J.B West did as head butler for several sitting Presidents. But we'd have to wait until he's dead because he would sue the shit out of the person who did it. His kids most likely would too.
Hell, once he dies the ex wives are going to be racing to the publishers offices with the rest of them and you know it. Those pre-nups and confidentiality agreements are the only thing saving his ass.
I bet they're already written :laugh:
You know it. :laugh:
I'm wondering which kid is going to break and write the first "Donald/Daddy Dearest" book.
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I reallllly want someone on in the inside to write a book about what it was like working with the entire family. Like J.B West did as head butler for several sitting Presidents. But we'd have to wait until he's dead because he would sue the shit out of the person who did it. His kids most likely would too.
Hell, once he dies the ex wives are going to be racing to the publishers offices with the rest of them and you know it. Those pre-nups and confidentiality agreements are the only thing saving his ass.
I bet they're already written :laugh:
You know it. :laugh:
I'm wondering which kid is going to break and write the first "Donald/Daddy Dearest" book.
The daughter he had with Marla Maples who always looks like she knows she's standing next to the snake oil salesmen in the pics. :lol1:
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I reallllly want someone on in the inside to write a book about what it was like working with the entire family. Like J.B West did as head butler for several sitting Presidents. But we'd have to wait until he's dead because he would sue the shit out of the person who did it. His kids most likely would too.
Hell, once he dies the ex wives are going to be racing to the publishers offices with the rest of them and you know it. Those pre-nups and confidentiality agreements are the only thing saving his ass.
I bet they're already written :laugh:
You know it. :laugh:
I'm wondering which kid is going to break and write the first "Donald/Daddy Dearest" book.
Just need to fill in the dates.
That is the main problem I have with Biden. We have to understand that if he is elected, it is likely to be his running mate who will run out this election cycle.
I have little confidence in the health of either candidate.
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:lol1: I wish.
I object to that picture!
The shovel is not pure gold.
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I reallllly want someone on in the inside to write a book about what it was like working with the entire family. Like J.B West did as head butler for several sitting Presidents. But we'd have to wait until he's dead because he would sue the shit out of the person who did it. His kids most likely would too.
Hell, once he dies the ex wives are going to be racing to the publishers offices with the rest of them and you know it. Those pre-nups and confidentiality agreements are the only thing saving his ass.
I bet they're already written :laugh:
You know it. :laugh:
I'm wondering which kid is going to break and write the first "Donald/Daddy Dearest" book.
Just need to fill in the dates.
That is the main problem I have with Biden. We have to understand that if he is elected, it is likely to be his running mate who will run out this election cycle.
I have little confidence in the health of either candidate.
There should be an upper limit to running. I like Biden and he seems lucid enough, but his VP will be more likely to be president than most VPs until now.
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"These are the people, the best, the smartest, the most brilliant anywhere, and they’ve come up with the AIDS vaccine. They've come up with — or the AIDS, and, as you know, there's various things and now various companies involved. But the therapeutic for AIDS," Trump said from the White House Rose Garden.
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2020/06/16/trump-predicts-covid-treatment-praises-nonexistent-aids-vaccine/3202516001/
You couldn't make this shit up.
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He is such a dropkick.
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Can't even laugh. He's our president. Our commander in chief. And will most likely still be president come November, because his opposition keeps shooting itself in the foot.
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https://www.nytimes.com/2020/06/17/us/politics/bolton-book-trump-impeached.html
It's a shame Bolton didn't testify.
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I still can't believe he wants to hold a political rally in Tulsa OK! The site of the 1920's massacre of prosperous black merchants by jealous whites. This is why al can go fuck himself if this is what he supports. And support of trump, supports racism. Pure and simple.
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I still can't believe he wants to hold a political rally in Tulsa OK! The site of the 1920's massacre of prosperous black merchants by jealous whites. This is why al can go fuck himself if this is what he supports. And support of trump, supports racism. Pure and simple.
Hopefully he ramps up rallies in the coming months and creates the enthusiasm to sweep into a second term with more states and the popular vote as well.
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Pitiful........I hope the alcohol was worth it. I used to believe that you were a reasonable and congenial man. Now I see that you are nothing but dog shit.
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Trump's going to give his attendees an extra gift tomorrow.
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Everyone who is attending his rallies had to sign a waiver that they can't sue him if they get Corona.
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Everyone who is attending his rallies had to sign a waiver that they can't sue him if they get Corona.
I read that from somewhere once, I thought that's just criminal but also, why would he host a rally like that in the first place?
In all honesty, I feel all this rally is just doing nothing but feeding his ego, but that's just an opinion though.
However, the one thing I must admit is, he could deliver a message to a simple minded person, even if he made a bogus message, he could easily convince those people otherwise.
If all the other candidates could do just that, maybe they could stand a much higher chance.
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Everyone who is attending his rallies had to sign a waiver that they can't sue him if they get Corona.
I read that from somewhere once, I thought that's just criminal but also, why would he host a rally like that in the first place?
In all honesty, I feel all this rally is just doing nothing but feeding his ego, but that's just an opinion though.
However, the one thing I must admit is, he could deliver a message to a simple minded person, even if he made a bogus message, he could easily convince those people otherwise.
If all the other candidates could do just that, maybe they could stand a much higher chance.
Yep, they have to sign a waiver....though how that would stand up in court would be another story. And his major rally taking place in Tulsa OK, is also the site of a major black massacre of a prosperous black neighborhood that was called the "Black Wall street." And it was by jealous white business owners who were jealous of the black area prosperity due to sound business practices. It never recovered due to the racist white bigotry.
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I still can't believe he wants to hold a political rally in Tulsa OK! The site of the 1920's massacre of prosperous black merchants by jealous whites. This is why al can go fuck himself if this is what he supports. And support of trump, supports racism. Pure and simple.
Tulsa is a test...he's testing the waters at their expense.
Oklahoma is not a "key" state, not like say...Ohio or Florida.
It's considered a "safe" Republican state and has been since around the late 60's and counts for only 7 electoral votes compared to Ohio's 18.
https://ballotpedia.org/Presidential_election_in_Oklahoma,_2020
They've BEEN drinking the kool aid, most aren't wearing masks now and they already voted not to enforce CDC recommendations concerning masks, distancing, for this "rally".
https://time.com/5856421/tulsa-trump-rally-mask-ruling/
No pesky mask-wearing to distract from all his "greatness" here, no one to challenge his agenda.
If too many die after this, they'll come up with a "great" plan for everyone to mask up when he hits a state like Florida where there is no guarantee of victory.
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Everyone who is attending his rallies had to sign a waiver that they can't sue him if they get Corona.
I read that from somewhere once, I thought that's just criminal
I thought it was a joke :zombiefuck:
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Everyone who is attending his rallies had to sign a waiver that they can't sue him if they get Corona.
I read that from somewhere once, I thought that's just criminal
I thought it was a joke :zombiefuck:
Nope.
Scroll to the bottom of the ticket form.
https://events.donaldjtrump.com/events/tulsa-oklahoma-rally-june-20
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I hope somebody drags him to court anyway.
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There was also an add on Craigslist looking for actors for the rally. A paid position and they have to fan over him. I suspect if it wasn't true, they would have pulled it. He's done this before for other rallys.
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I hope somebody drags him to court anyway.
Me too, but I don't see it, unless it's because of a kid, since that's the only obvious loophole I can see...and I would hate to see a kid lose their life as a result of this stupidity.
His "rallies" do not prohibit minors, and a minor cannot waive their right to sue, nor can their parents waive it for them.
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I don't think anyone can afford to take him to court though.
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I hope somebody drags him to court anyway.
That wouldn't surprise me at all. If he is no longer president, I wonder who would be he first to drag his fat arse to court?
I would predict it wouldn't take long at all.
Speaking of Trump, I remembered he had pointed fingers at Hilary Clinton calling her criminal. Seems hypocritical coming from Trump.
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I don't think anyone can afford to take him to court though.
Someone could potentially start a gofundme page and sign a bunch of petitions to drag him there. Doubt anyone would think of it.
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The rally is a bust.
https://twitter.com/YourAnonCentral/status/1274495641880690688
For those that aren't on Twitter or can't pull this up....they are saying teens everywhere bought up the tickets just to stage a "no show", the crowd is almost as small as his tiny "hands" . Trump has just been essentially rick rolled by a bunch of kids.
What a shame.
This next generation coming up gives me hope...they are fierce. :lol1:
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He really has no clue about how much power the younger generation really has and how smart they are.
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That's fantastic. The kpop stans are starting to impress me. :lol1:
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KARMA :laugh:
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So Al calls me a faggot and gheys me..........pathetic! The last time I got called that was back in high school by a jerk. :wanker:
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The lasting impact of that rally will be that it was a super spreader event.
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Six campaign workers in Tulsa tested positive before the rally. Then two Secret Service agents. I guess the virus isn't going to disappear anytime soon. Fucking orange moron.
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The Oklahoma Supreme Court ruled against a motion to make it mandatory for people to at least wear masks at the event.
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Darwin in action. ::)
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I wouldn't mind terribly if the MAGA idiots were the only ones getting sick after attending a rally, but it's not how it works. :(
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(https://occupydemocrats.com/wp-content/uploads/Trump-putin-tweets.jpg?width=1200&enable=upscale)
This is surely the death knell of the Trump presidency? Sitting on his tiny hands while Putin put a bounty on US soldiers?
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The headlines that man produces, daily. Once upon a time, I would have thought that any one of those would have been enough to end his presidency. But it seems that's not how it works. The MAGA idiots defend him regardless, blindly.
And quite frankly, his, um, qualities were all known in 2016. Yet 60 million Americans voted for him. 60 million idiots. And now it's all this.
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Biden is currently in the lead. It would be nice if he could hold on to that.
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/06/24/us/politics/trump-biden-poll-nyt-upshot-siena-college.html
Trump was going off the other day about where's Biden? We never hear from Biden? We should call him Hidin-Biden. And all I can think of it why should he have to come out and say anything right now when you're so effectively digging your own grave?
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He's like a 5-yo. Immature, undeveloped, never sophisticated.
Except at 74, he's never going to achieve any of that.
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As someone stated on Twitter today he is "a moron with the attention span of a coke-fueled squirrel".
Yeah, I couldn't agree more. :laugh:
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I don't know how true this is. Sounds entirely believable which is probably a good sign that someone made it up.
Still, interesting thought.
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I'm not arguing against it.
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Did anyone see the new t-shirt design? :zoinks:
(https://i.imgur.com/CQBqUZwm.jpg)
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Please tell me that you're joking.
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https://www.news.com.au/finance/donald-trumps-reelection-campaign-selling-tshirts-with-nazilike-symbol/news-story/91d970752c05b06247b7657fd7034a51
Totally not joking about the T shirt.
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What the fuck is wrong with that man?
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Wondering why he isn't impeached for all the rest of it. Seriously, I'm losing count. I can't be bothered with all the bullshit but surely there's half a dozen new crimes at the very least? Lock him up.
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https://youtu.be/2UueGetlwpw
John Cleese on Trump and his supporters.
Since Cleese said this, of course, it's been all downhill.
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They obviously didn't know what was ahead. :zoinks:
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Wish Trump would just fuck off and die in a can of Tango somewhere. How people can rally behind him is beyond me.
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The trumpers must be so tired of winning.
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https://www.facebook.com/210277954204/videos/700684040478083/
Video showing some highlights of Trump being really, really stupid.
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But he is stupid all the time.
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Sometimes he outdoes himself but.
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Then there's Gov Kemp out of GA. He banned cities from requiring face masks ::)
https://decaturish.com/2020/07/gov-kemp-issues-executive-order-that-bars-cities-from-requring-face-masks/?fbclid=IwAR0adCYMirp2nsR5VuWZFrKj4y8KQZdZkug-UG2hA4yDaOSmgiTs9OSYrS8
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One of these days there will be a confusing report bandied about by a bunch of do-gooders with a catchy name like, "Covidity Index" or something, warning of travel to certain places or even patronage of certain businesses.
"Well, no wonder you got sick. You ignored the Covidity Index, dumbass"
We kind of already have that, but the warnings need a catchy name. Maybe even a "Color" specific to this danger so a glance at a graph keeps you up to date.:hair:
How about everyone just do what you are told helps and quit bitchin' 'bout it all.
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Trump is the product of a world that not only allows but encourages him to be stupid. I've seen a couple of news articles lately worry about a Covid vaccine failing because enough people might refuse to take them.
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https://edition.cnn.com/2020/07/20/politics/what-matters-portland-protests-federal-agents/index.html
The US doesn't look like a democracy any longer.
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It's pretty fucked - they're literally secret police. The US is completely fucked. :tinfoil:
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I like the Lincoln Project's one-minute ads. They all seem to be designed to get into what counts as Trump's head.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8x1-CVsoEBU&pp=wgIECgIIAQ%3D%3D
:LMAO:
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Not sure if something changed here or with youtube, but one must copy the share link rather than the url for the video to display.
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Try this: https://youtu.be/8x1-CVsoEBU
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https://youtu.be/VuPJ5wCylEo
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:rofl:
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^^ I like the guy, he makes more sense than Trump does.
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It seems that Trump's supporters aren't all that bright.
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:laugh:
Did anyone watch the loud woman at the RNC yesterday? Honestly, I thought it was a parody until someone said she's Donald Jr's girlfriend.
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:laugh:
Did anyone watch the loud woman at the RNC yesterday? Honestly, I thought it was a parody until someone said she's Donald Jr's girlfriend.
She is.
Cocaine is a hell of a drug. :zoinks:
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WTF were they thinking?
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WTF were they thinking?
Combined IQ of 3/4 of those morons couldn't get them accepted into Mensa.
It's sad and fascinating to watch some days....like a car crash you can't turn away from.
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Also, did anyone else notice Matt Gaetz looked like a CGI fake?
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Also, did anyone else notice Matt Gaetz looked like a CGI fake?
He's only one teeth whitening session away from being Max Headroom.
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And Eric still just wants daddy to at least acknowledge him.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HE-qF_lM4E0
Creepy as fuck. :zombiefuck: :laugh:
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Thinking how Trump is wondering who those two are.
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I've already decided that if 45 gets elected again I am moving to Canada. will apply for duel citizenship
I would have lost all hope for our country. Which, will now be a Banana Republic because of Trumpism.
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I've already decided that if 45 gets elected again I am moving to Canada. will apply for duel citizenship
I would have lost all hope for our country. Which, will now be a Banana Republic because of Trumpism.
Trump is right - this election will be rigged. You will be a fascist state by Christmas.
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Trump is a guy that likes to create his own problems and then act like only he can solve them.
And there are dumb people. A Lot of dumb people here, it's sad really.
Get me outta here~ :laugh:
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I feel for you. I really do. :P
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The US is being ran by a genius level intellect.
Shame it's a Russian.
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A week ago, when Trump got the 'rona, I wanted to post "there is a god" here. And I couldn't. So I'm just leaving this here now. Plus, he's still infected and things could still take a turn for the worse.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g6mZ1ofj2Vo
He really outdid himself with this one.
The continental army "took the airports". During the US war of independence.
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I like the way that the Trumpeteers are pushing that Biden is head of a crime family AND he is spending too much time listening to the scientists. This makes sense. I mean... one of my favourite films is The Godfather because I loved the way Brando not only captured Vito Corleoni's criminality, but also his ecological and scientific awareness. It was soooo realistic.
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Good actors can do that. :P
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I still think Trump is a puppet... a puppet with perverted "David Cop-a-feel" tendencies
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We're all lucky in that he was so inept.
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He says he's going to run again in 2024...a ton of supporters still in this area alone.
I don't get it, and I never will.
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He says he's going to run again in 2024...a ton of supporters still in this area alone.
I don't get it, and I never will.
I'm thinking of trolling his social network
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He says he's going to run again in 2024...a ton of supporters still in this area alone.
I don't get it, and I never will.
I'm thinking of trolling his social network
I think a lot of people may do the same thing. :green:
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He says he's going to run again in 2024...a ton of supporters still in this area alone.
I don't get it, and I never will.
I'm thinking of trolling his social network
I did wonder if I could get a few different logons together and start a "Q is actually Trump" movement, but I don't think I could interact with morons for long enough.
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He says he's going to run again in 2024...a ton of supporters still in this area alone.
I don't get it, and I never will.
I'm thinking of trolling his social network
I did wonder if I could get a few different logons together and start a "Q is actually Trump" movement, but I don't think I could interact with morons for long enough.
I chuckle at the trolling possibilities! :lol1: The latest news here in the States is that his "message" seems to be wearing thin with his followers as the crowds for his rallies are getting thinner and thinner. And his "rivals" in the republitard party are jockeying for the castoffs or rejects from his base. This will be getting interesting as 2024 draws nearer. I mean trumpolini is getting old............and decrepit!
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He says he's going to run again in 2024...a ton of supporters still in this area alone.
I don't get it, and I never will.
I'm thinking of trolling his social network
I did wonder if I could get a few different logons together and start a "Q is actually Trump" movement, but I don't think I could interact with morons for long enough.
Someone actually did pose as JFK Jr. awhile back and con them into meeting twice waiting for his appearance. Because you know "according to Q" he's not dead. :lol1:
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He says he's going to run again in 2024...a ton of supporters still in this area alone.
I don't get it, and I never will.
I'm thinking of trolling his social network
I did wonder if I could get a few different logons together and start a "Q is actually Trump" movement, but I don't think I could interact with morons for long enough.
Someone actually did pose as JFK Jr. awhile back and con them into meeting twice waiting for his appearance. Because you know "according to Q" he's not dead. :lol1:
I heard about that too! LOL
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Not at all convinced about anything... especially him not running again.
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Not at all convinced about anything... especially him not running again.
One positive note is that the attendance at his "rallies" is reported to be getting smaller and smaller. Same old shit, people seem to be getting bored with his constant "rigged election" claims.
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Not at all convinced about anything... especially him not running again.
One positive note is that the attendance at his "rallies" is reported to be getting smaller and smaller. Same old shit, people seem to be getting bored with his constant "rigged election" claims.
Not to mention that other republitards are gearing up to challenge him. Like Gov. Desantis (aka, deathsentence) are gearing up for their own runs for office. His "endorsements" of his sycophants are not working too well.
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And details about Moscow Mitch's comments following Jan 6 are all over the interwebs.
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And details about Moscow Mitch's comments following Jan 6 are all over the interwebs.
Where's the link!?!?!
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Desantis scares the fuck out of me.
Like Trump...only younger, eviler, and with a few more brain cells.
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Desantis scares the fuck out of me.
Like Trump...only younger, eviler, and with a few more brain cells.
Agreed!
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If we could just come up with ONE Handful of these politician types who were not already corrupt to the marrow, I would be a firm supporter.
I use my vote to vote AGAINST, way too often. There is just no one to vote FOR!! Something HAS to give!
How the fuck do we fix all this?
I see the "fake right" extremists going so far crazy, I am at a loss.
Everyone knows I am quite conservative in the way I live my life, but I tolerate everyone. The most important thing to me in this political realm is freedom and FREEDOMS for everyone, not just for those who are like me, but EVERYONE.
I am especially interested in those NOT like me to have the same chance at everything I have gained in my life.
Our differences are reason enough to talk about things over a fire or a "brewsky," under the sky and learn from each other.
I am not talking about most politicians being "functionally retarded," but rather actionably criminal in too many cases.
Where do we start? It's up to us!
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Right Wing Politicians are so dull in America.... is it any different elsewhere??? Like Hungary, or France, or Odeon's neck of the woods?
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It is the extremes of BOTH sides that must be kept in check.
Our country only works if there is a balance.
Right now it seems as if both sides are toying with a game of "Oh YEAH? Watch THIS!!"
We don't have enough bridles and hobbles for all these horse's asses!
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I think Trump et al demonstrated the weaknesses of the system. It might just break the next time.
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I think Trump et al demonstrated the weaknesses of the system. It might just break the next time.
As a quiet, but watchful patriot of my fair country, I hope you can be proven wrong.
Bending we have, breaking we won't!
God Bless America is not enough anymore.
It is step up and carry something for America we need more of.
Added:
... from all of us!
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I think Trump et al demonstrated the weaknesses of the system. It might just break the next time.
A few, but not all of them.
We are seeing some others come to light in this current paramount.
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It is the extremes of BOTH sides that must be kept in check.
Our country only works if there is a balance.
Right now it seems as if both sides are toying with a game of "Oh YEAH? Watch THIS!!"
We don't have enough bridles and hobbles for all these horse's asses!
I agree with this.
What stokes me up about the Republicans is the currant weaponizing of organized religion.
I am a firm believer that their should be distinct boundary lines concerning church and state, and those lines are being breached more and more often every single day.
This country was founded by settlers seeking freedom from religious prosecution, that freedom should apply to everyone regardless of whether you worship Jesus, Satan, or the flying spaghetti monster.
Common sense, logic and empathy for the people you serve should dictate your decisions...not some preacher holding up a bible like a sword who just paid shush money to the last hooker he was with two months ago.
I can respect someone else's beliefs even if they are far removed from mine. But I have a problem if you start shoving those beliefs down my throat.
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You got that in "ONE" sister! Bullseye, first throw!
I honestly can not see where they think they are going with that crap. Even people who support them rabidly have to be looking at each other with questions.
It is difficult to remove an elected official, though, which it should be. We have to do better at the ballot box.
Some of these terrors will have two or four years to wreak havoc, inflicting untold damage to our way of life and still continue to get rich(er).
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I think Trump et al demonstrated the weaknesses of the system. It might just break the next time.
As a quiet, but watchful patriot of my fair country, I hope you can be proven wrong.
I hope so too.
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:zoinks:
(https://i.imgur.com/qY61QD6.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/HVPRaQJ.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/BP15FZj.jpg)
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The MAGA hat is hilarious!
The "Donnie" thing is disturbing on many levels.
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...and his CFO pleaded guilty. :hahaha:
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...and his CFO pleaded guilty. :hahaha:
... to tax evasion. Uhm, OK.
I heard Trump once say that he does not pay taxes, "because, I'm smart."
Take that statement to its limits!
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It's a start.
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(https://i.imgur.com/eb2J6ERm.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/YvGs1PZm.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/YFffSNOm.jpg)
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:lol1:
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Yes, he is still functionally retarded.
He may be approaching dementia, but it occurs to me, who would notice?
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Yes, he is still functionally retarded.
He may be approaching dementia, but it occurs to me, who would notice?
Seriously, how could you even tell?
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Yes, he is still functionally retarded.
He may be approaching dementia, but it occurs to me, who would notice?
Seriously, how could you even tell?
You can't, and it won't make any difference.
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Yes, he is still functionally retarded.
He may be approaching dementia, but it occurs to me, who would notice?
Seriously, how could you even tell?
You can't, and it won't make any difference.
The maga tards don't care that their "god' is a deluded fat glob of corrupt excrement.
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I would assume his indictment is months away, tops. The question is which one of the many investigations. The classified documents thing is a contender, but the Georgia investigation is stealthily moving to the front. So many to choose from.
I have to say, though. If the US legal system cannot find a path to indictment, there is something very seriously wrong with the system.
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I would assume his indictment is months away, tops. The question is which one of the many investigations. The classified documents thing is a contender, but the Georgia investigation is stealthily moving to the front. So many to choose from.
I have to say, though. If the US legal system cannot find a path to indictment, there is something very seriously wrong with the system.
Agreed!
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Trump has always been a greased snake, guys.
He will most likely escape or slither through any consequences from this latest as well as he always has.
Who knows?
:dunno:
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Trump has always been a greased snake, guys.
He will most likely escape or slither through any consequences from this latest as well as he always has.
Who knows?
:dunno:
This. I won't hold my breath waiting for any consequences.
But for the life of me I can't understand why they can not prevent him from at least running for election again.
I mean FFS even considering him as a viable candidate for re-election? This is beyond stupid.
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He is scary slippery, yes, but there's a lot of stuff happening now.
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He is scary slippery, yes, but there's a lot of stuff happening now.
A lot and I have hope that sooner or later it bites him in the ass!
:dino2: :mischief: :roar:
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He is scary slippery, yes, but there's a lot of stuff happening now.
A lot and I have hope that sooner or later it bites him in the ass!
:dino2: :mischief: :roar:
I have hope.
Never underestimate the ineptness of his followers, though, from the idiots on the ground to the the old justices.
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Wow, this thing had a life of its own for a while.
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Yup. Let's hope there's no cause to revive it.
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He is scary slippery, yes, but there's a lot of stuff happening now.
A lot and I have hope that sooner or later it bites him in the ass!
:dino2: :mischief: :roar:
I have hope.
Never underestimate the ineptness of his followers, though, from the idiots on the ground to the the old justices.
Especially the people that he got rammed onto the Supreme Court!
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Not sure who scares me the most, tbh.
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Not sure who scares me the most, tbh.
The heat is on and fwiw, they are feeling it.
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Just get those handcuffs ready already!
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Just get those handcuffs ready already!
The pace of this is making me want to scream into the void.
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Just get those handcuffs ready already!
The pace of this is making me want to scream into the void.
Yes, they're very slow.
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https://www.cnn.com/politics/live-news/trump-indictment-hush-money-stormy-daniels/index.html
https://www.politico.com/news/2023/03/30/trump-indicted-in-porn-star-hush-money-payment-case-00089837
https://www.wsj.com/articles/grand-jury-votes-to-indict-donald-trump-a9512240
:kumbaya:
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:asthing: :asthing: :asthing:
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:2thumbsup: :2thumbsup: :2thumbsup:
I don't care what they say about this boosting his reelection chances. It's just so good to see him in a courthouse, not to mention that breaking news headline, "Trump Arrested". Plus, I love how they shut up MTG outside.
And this is just the first of many. The chances of him getting indicted again have increased greatly. What's next? Georgia? The Mar-a-Lago raid fallout?
And let's not forget the main event, the Jan 6 investigation.
:popcorn:
Seriously, though, this is important. He is not above the law. He got away while he was president, but now that he's not...