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Politics, Mature and taboo => Political Pundits => Topic started by: RageBeoulve on July 12, 2013, 06:41:07 PM
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The conservation plan for the brave society of the 21st century. A perfect society. Yeah... how many of you have read this document? Please discuss.
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needs moar links plzkthx :yarly:
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needs ...what's that word again?... links plzkthx :yarly:
::) Very funny. But here.
http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&frm=1&source=web&cd=2&cad=rja&sqi=2&ved=0CDkQFjAB&url=http%3A%2F%2Fsustainabledevelopment.un.org%2Fcontent%2Fdocuments%2FAgenda21.pdf&ei=sqTgUbK4HYq3yQGF54HoAw&usg=AFQjCNGrFwO5tpcz-HujCdmLdjbKwCOGMQ&sig2=CGE_VfgF8yLEt_EYl9gfxw&bvm=bv.48705608,d.aWc (http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&frm=1&source=web&cd=2&cad=rja&sqi=2&ved=0CDkQFjAB&url=http%3A%2F%2Fsustainabledevelopment.un.org%2Fcontent%2Fdocuments%2FAgenda21.pdf&ei=sqTgUbK4HYq3yQGF54HoAw&usg=AFQjCNGrFwO5tpcz-HujCdmLdjbKwCOGMQ&sig2=CGE_VfgF8yLEt_EYl9gfxw&bvm=bv.48705608,d.aWc)
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In advance, i'll ask if you're shocked yet. I sure the fuck was. Hitler's third reich was a second rate child's birthday party compared to the stuff in there. I couldn't believe it.
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Here, this lady explains part of why agenda 21 is so horrifying.
Agenda 21 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AWs7ZhX7aj8#ws)
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I am going to post my assumptions about this based on what I heard discussed in the UN forum on Indigenous issues this past spring.
My assumption (without reading it) is that they are referring to sustainable development as basicially...instead of focusing on economic development as the sole end all be all, they are calling for more strategic planning and coordination so that further development will take into consideration: minority rights (particularily indigenous rights), climate change (and how to slow/reverse the impact), etc.
This would mean, planning which involved consideration for endangered species, warming oceans, Co2 emissions, etc. it is a coordinated effort which is what we fricking need right now if we don't want to lose the planet.
I've seen some good stuff come out of it- including talks on biodiversity, and greater protections for waterways in order to avoid a crisis-level fresh water shortage.
I dunno how much the UN can deliver in terms of indigenous rights because as a rule of thumb, the UN tends to regard indigenous people as wards, even though they have certain rights they cannot represent themselves as independent nations in the UN...
Anyways, that is what I understand of it. Doesn't scare me, in fact gives me a little hope. I am not sure 50% of the ppl who attend the conferences are serious, or on board, but at least shit is being said that needs to be said...
Anyways, I will read it more in depth and come back with another comment later.
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This covers even more of the highlights, its in kind of a memeish form, and is shorter. Some may like this better.
Agenda 21 For Dummies (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TzEEgtOFFlM#)
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I am going to post my assumptions about this based on what I heard discussed in the UN forum on Indigenous issues this past spring.
My assumption (without reading it) is that they are referring to sustainable development as basicially...instead of focusing on economic development as the sole end all be all, they are calling for more strategic planning and coordination so that further development will take into consideration: minority rights (particularily indigenous rights), climate change (and how to slow/reverse the impact), etc.
This would mean, planning which involved consideration for endangered species, warming oceans, Co2 emissions, etc. it is a coordinated effort which is what we fricking need right now if we don't want to lose the planet.
I've seen some good stuff come out of it- including talks on biodiversity, and greater protections for waterways in order to avoid a crisis-level fresh water shortage.
I dunno how much the UN can deliver in terms of indigenous rights because as a rule of thumb, the UN tends to regard indigenous people as wards, even though they have certain rights they cannot represent themselves as independent nations in the UN...
Anyways, that is what I understand of it. Doesn't scare me, in fact gives me a little hope. I am not sure 50% of the ppl who attend the conferences are serious, or on board, but at least shit is being said that needs to be said...
Anyways, I will read it more in depth and come back with another comment later.
YEs those are all in there. Also included are plans to decrease the education of the common working child (yeah no kidding. The only education they will receive is what they will need for "work"), complete banning of the ownership of any property, destruction of the family(all children are to be wards of the state. All citizens are to relocate to designated areas, and live in efficient quarters, provided by the state. Constant surveillance and control will be the standard. Basically labor camps. Kind of like being in prison. Forever. I'm not kidding. Its all in there, dude.
Read it and you'll see, this is the REAL DEAL folks.
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I call bollocks on this.
I just read that lot. Yes, the entire fucking tedious great long drawn out thing, from one end to the other and I could find nothing of the sort.
As for education, all I could find were plans to increase access.
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I really don't think it will happen just too many problems and too much money at stake.
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http://www.icleiusa.org/about-iclei/faqs/faq-iclei-the-united-nations-and-agenda-21#what-is-agenda-21 (http://www.icleiusa.org/about-iclei/faqs/faq-iclei-the-united-nations-and-agenda-21#what-is-agenda-21)
Agenda 21 is not a treaty or legally binding document and does not infringe upon the sovereignty of any nation, state, or local government. Agenda 21 does not advocate for abolishing private property or have any bearing on U.S. local and state land-use decisions. In other words, it isn’t being forced on anybody, anywhere, by any organization.
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It did unnerve me to see them talking more hot air about regulating hazardous material shipping.
Wouldn't bloody believe the hazmat fees on some things already. Granted there are things that just should not be used anymore where alternatives are at all possible (dimethylmercury for instance, although it was once used for certain spectroscopy purposes, iirc for calibrating NMR machines used for assaying mercury or something, but its just too fucking insidiously toxic, any commercial shipping would just be too dangerous, as there is little that can be done for poisoning cases.)
But bans on CFS, etc. ...sure, we don't want them depleting the ozone layer, but on occasion, they DO make for very useful solvents, being highly inert for the most part. And another bitch of that nature. Carbon tet...sure, its toxic, its environmentally about as friendly as an arsehole full of rottweilers, but again, it is just about the most inert solvent going, but its so hard to find now, for environmental reasons, as well as toxicity, its not just hard to get, and expensive, but plenty of places just don't want anything to do with it now.
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It did unnerve me to see them talking more hot air about regulating hazardous material shipping.
Wouldn't bloody believe the hazmat fees on some things already. Granted there are things that just should not be used anymore where alternatives are at all possible (dimethylmercury for instance, although it was once used for certain spectroscopy purposes, iirc for calibrating NMR machines used for assaying mercury or something, but its just too fucking insidiously toxic, any commercial shipping would just be too dangerous, as there is little that can be done for poisoning cases.)
But bans on CFS, etc. ...sure, we don't want them depleting the ozone layer, but on occasion, they DO make for very useful solvents, being highly inert for the most part. And another bitch of that nature. Carbon tet...sure, its toxic, its environmentally about as friendly as an arsehole full of rottweilers, but again, it is just about the most inert solvent going, but its so hard to find now, for environmental reasons, as well as toxicity, its not just hard to get, and expensive, but plenty of places just don't want anything to do with it now.
They banned it's use in asthma inhalers like that was going to deplete all the ozone ::)
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needs ...what's that word again?... links plzkthx :yarly:
::) Very funny. But here.
http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&frm=1&source=web&cd=2&cad=rja&sqi=2&ved=0CDkQFjAB&url=http%3A%2F%2Fsustainabledevelopment.un.org%2Fcontent%2Fdocuments%2FAgenda21.pdf&ei=sqTgUbK4HYq3yQGF54HoAw&usg=AFQjCNGrFwO5tpcz-HujCdmLdjbKwCOGMQ&sig2=CGE_VfgF8yLEt_EYl9gfxw&bvm=bv.48705608,d.aWc (http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&frm=1&source=web&cd=2&cad=rja&sqi=2&ved=0CDkQFjAB&url=http%3A%2F%2Fsustainabledevelopment.un.org%2Fcontent%2Fdocuments%2FAgenda21.pdf&ei=sqTgUbK4HYq3yQGF54HoAw&usg=AFQjCNGrFwO5tpcz-HujCdmLdjbKwCOGMQ&sig2=CGE_VfgF8yLEt_EYl9gfxw&bvm=bv.48705608,d.aWc)
it was supposed to say m.o.a.r. in place of that "what's that word again" bs.
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And they still use fluorinated solvents....much good THAT did. I have a few inhalers hanging around, I'm not asthmatic, I don't need them, but I keep them for when I'm doing microbiology work that involves using penicillins as part of culture selection media, as I'm badly allergic to beta-lactam antibiotics (and to a lesser degree, to tetracycline).
The propellant is still a polyhalogenated fluorinated something or other, I forget which now, but once broken up in the atmosphere to free radicals via UV irradiation, charged particles in the upper atmosphere, etc. it is almost certainly going to be an ozone layer fucker. But really, what the fuck is the worry. An individual puff of one of the things is meant to deliver some 100mcg, one tenth of one thousandth part of 1g, and how much solvent is that going to need? not very much.
Although some of them use ethanol as the solvent now. (im assuming you meant the CFCs that is...I can't see carbon tetrachloride being used in medicine. It was once, a very, very very very long time ago, but it was being phased out of use even during the late 1800s, according to some medical/surgical/pharmaceutical treatises I have from that period. (heh you wouldn't bloody believe some of the things in use back then...Aconite, Conium (poison hemlock, the one that was used to off Socrates that is, not Circuta/Oenanthe spp.), plenty of lead, mercury, arsenic, phosphorus..and damn...the treatment :zombiefuck: for piles would be enough to give anyone second thoughts about ever sitting down again....nitric acid. Burn em off. Fun or what :P
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But at least one could find such things over the counter from a pharmacy. Now most of them don't even stock hydrogen peroxide, permanganate, basic stuff like that.
Arsenic, willy pete, thallium salts...not in this century, sadly.
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what can you use arsenic in Lestat?
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8)
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http://www.icleiusa.org/about-iclei/faqs/faq-iclei-the-united-nations-and-agenda-21#what-is-agenda-21 (http://www.icleiusa.org/about-iclei/faqs/faq-iclei-the-united-nations-and-agenda-21#what-is-agenda-21)
Agenda 21 is not a treaty or legally binding document and does not infringe upon the sovereignty of any nation, state, or local government. Agenda 21 does not advocate for abolishing private property or have any bearing on U.S. local and state land-use decisions. In other words, it isn’t being forced on anybody, anywhere, by any organization.
If you were trying to enslave everyone, would you tell them, or would you lie, and do the same kinds of things all the thousands of tyrants in human history did? Odeon. You act like being human livestock is virtuous.
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I call bollocks on this.
I just read that lot. Yes, the entire fucking tedious great long drawn out thing, from one end to the other and I could find nothing of the sort.
As for education, all I could find were plans to increase access.
You can't just read it once and expect to understand the whole thing dude. They change it constantly, and there are different parts to it.
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Just a few things, unsustainable according to agenda 21.
337
Ski Runs
350
Grazing of Livestock: cows, sheep, goats, horses
351
Disturbance of the Soil Surface - Page 350 Large hoofed animals, compaction of soil, reducing filtration
351
Fencing of Pastures or Paddocks
728
Agriculture
728
Modern Farm Production Systems
728
Chemical Fertilizers
728
Herbicides
728
Building Materials
730
Industrial Activities
730
Human-Made caves of brick and mortar, concrete and steel
730
Paved and Tarred roads, highways, rails (page 351)
730
Railroads
730
Floor and Wall Tiles
733
Aquaculture
733
Technology Improvements
733
Farmlands, Rangelands
733
Pastures, Rangelands
733
Pastures
733
Fish Ponds
733
Plantations
738
Modern Hunting
738
Harvesting of Timber
749
Logging Activities
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Fossil Fuels - Used for driving various kinds of machines
755
Dams, Reservoirs, Straightening Rivers
757
Power Line Construction
763
Economic systems that fail to set a proper value on the environment
763
Inappropriate Social Structures
763
Weaknesses in Legal and Institutional Systems
766, 838
Modern Attitudes toward nature - Judaeo-Christian-Islamic religions
767, 782
Private Property
771
Population Growth - Human Population Density
773
Consumerism and population figures
774
Fragmentation of Habitat - cemeteries, derelict lands, rubbish tips, etc.
774
Sewers, Drain Systems, Pipelines
783
Land use that serves human needs
969
Fisheries
970
Golf Courses
970
Scuba Diving
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Synthetic drugs
990
Fragmentation - Agricultural development, Forestry Urbanization (impervious surfaces)
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Issue: Many parents have allowed a government-mandated educational system to co-opt parental authority over their children.
Consequences
Parents remain responsible for the children, but the state is gaining increasing authority over how children are educated and how children are raised. This leads to a weakened family unit and is contributing to a degraded society.
Position
Preparing their children to take full advantage of the opportunities available in a free society is a key responsibility of parenthood. To successfully exercise their responsibilities, parents must be able to retain authority over their children. As government schools and agencies attempt to exercise increasing authority over children--and thereby the family--parents must exercise constant vigilance to protect their Family Autonomy.
Objectives
•Build an alliance of parents and organizations to educate parents about parental responsibility and authority and the risks to their families inherent in transferring parental authority to the state
•Promote changes in the government educational system that returns authority over children to parents
:dunno:
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Heres the plan for the united states.
(http://gpaa.biz/wp-content/uploads/2012/02/UN-Agenda-21-map.jpg)
Guess where normal citizens get to live. Go ahead.
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But most of those things are unsustainable in the long run. That isn't stupid at all, that's very wise, although it is of course uncomfortable for us to change our way of life.
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But most of those things are unsustainable in the long run. That isn't stupid at all, that's very wise, although it is of course uncomfortable for us to change our way of life.
Agriculture? Private property? Land that serves human needs. Mhm. According to Agenda 21, we all die to save the planet. Which eventually dies anyway.
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Another frightening product of agenda twenty one, which is already being implemented. Dumbing down the children. Making them more placid, decreasing their critical thinking skills at a very young age.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Connected_Mathematics (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Connected_Mathematics)
This may help explain.
http://www.freedomworks.org/blog/rousseau/the-battle-against-common-core-standards (http://www.freedomworks.org/blog/rousseau/the-battle-against-common-core-standards)
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But most of those things are unsustainable in the long run. That isn't stupid at all, that's very wise, although it is of course uncomfortable for us to change our way of life.
Agriculture? Private property? Land that serves human needs. Mhm. According to Agenda 21, we all die to save the planet. Which eventually dies anyway.
We actually don't need agriculture. We have it because we are too lazy to hunt and gather food like people did 10000 years ago.
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But most of those things are unsustainable in the long run. That isn't stupid at all, that's very wise, although it is of course uncomfortable for us to change our way of life.
Agriculture? Private property? Land that serves human needs. Mhm. According to Agenda 21, we all die to save the planet. Which eventually dies anyway.
We actually don't need agriculture. We have it because we are too lazy to hunt and gather food like people did 10000 years ago.
Agenda 21 also forbids hunting.
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Does it forbid hunting with bows and arrows too? That might be a problem, of course.
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:apondering:
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Does it forbid hunting with bows and arrows too? That might be a problem, of course.
It forbids "modern hunting". You are not allowed to leave your "smart growth zone" without the proper authorization. Sooo, how are you gonna go hunting?
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Does it really say so? Then it's pretty absurd. Although you don't need meat to survive, of course. But not being allowed to move is pretty extreme.
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Does it really say so? Then it's pretty absurd. Although you don't need meat to survive, of course. But not being allowed to move is pretty extreme.
The whole thing is extreme. Dude I get it. It looks really nice the first time you skim through. If you really study that stuff though, and study the activities of the people making these plans, you'll begin to understand that its not for your benefit at all. Its actually very familiar, and its happened like a bajillion times as long as people could build societies. Some charismatic people have some good ideas, they inspire hope in people. Everything seems to be going real good, and....
The Holocaust in color Nazi rising terror and concentration camps (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zaCdKwFcHnw#)
Hiroshima Nuclear (atomic) Bomb - USA attack on Japan (1945) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gwkyPvlWPM0#ws)
Burman Muslims being burned, killed, slugged where is UN ? Recent video (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ibO5l7wz9I#ws)
DEMOCIDE: Socialism, Tyranny, Guns And Freedom (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rmfs_QM0OIA#ws)
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http://m.youtube.com/watch?feature=related&v=A7jeG6_qPw8 (http://m.youtube.com/watch?feature=related&v=A7jeG6_qPw8)
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Rage, I think you are unaware of a lot of crap that goes on in unregulated, OR big corp, OR black market businesses. A lot of agricultural activities not only deplete the earth of minerals, pollute nearby water sheds, ruin chances of certain species to regain any footing, increase the prevalence of nasty bugs (swine flu, avian flu, etc), kill off species we NEED to fucking breathe (phytoplankton in ocean and trees on land), but many of the activities may be illegal (or cutting corners), and infringing on indigenous rights for sustenance farming and hunting, and other traditional activities.
If you look into this stuff you will be scared shitless about what we are doing to the planet, and to our ability to sustain ourselves without NEEDING big corps. We are not dying to save it, we are saving it to save ourselves.
Gawd. What do you think, ONLY the gov'ts are capable of screwing things over?
You are so paranoid about the Big Brother that your are overlooking a shit ton of things. Same rhetoric as a politician dude. REMEMBER conspiracy theorists are nothing but politicians. That is all they are. Get the real facts.
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Rage, I think you are unaware of a lot of crap that goes on in unregulated, OR big corp, OR black market businesses. A lot of agricultural activities not only deplete the earth of minerals, pollute nearby water sheds, ruin chances of certain species to regain any footing, increase the prevalence of nasty bugs (swine flu, avian flu, etc), kill off species we NEED to fucking breathe (phytoplankton in ocean and trees on land), but many of the activities may be illegal (or cutting corners), and infringing on indigenous rights for sustenance farming and hunting, and other traditional activities.
If you look into this stuff you will be scared shitless about what we are doing to the planet, and to our ability to sustain ourselves without NEEDING big corps. We are not dying to save it, we are saving it to save ourselves.
Gawd. What do you think, ONLY the gov'ts are capable of screwing things over?
You are so paranoid about the Big Brother that your are overlooking a shit ton of things. Same rhetoric as a politician dude. REMEMBER conspiracy theorists are nothing but politicians. That is all they are. Get the real facts.
p.s. I am not saying Agenda 21 is good or bad...still haven't read the whole thing. but I am saying that your are jumping to conclusions without understanding WHAT they are referring to when they mention these things.
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Kapkao-One use I could think of, would be in the form of triphenylarsine (although I usually use the more prevalent, and cheaper, triphenylphosphine myself), for such things as inducing crystallization of difficult to crystallize things, arsenic finds use as a common n-type semiconductor dopant, as well as in laser crystals.
Plenty of other uses, chemical warfare agents (lewisite, and some of the vomit agents like adamsite and other chlorovinylarsine derivatives), pigments (napoleon is thought to have suffered arsenic toxicosis from arsine, evolved from the paris green, an arsenical pigment, in the wall paper), and the first successful drug to combat african typanosomiasis (sleeping sickness) was an organoarsenic derivative also.
How does define 'modern' in terms of hunting. semi-auto rifles? black powder muzzle-loading fossils?
And who really gives a stuff if its legal or not. If you are hungry, poaching puts food on the table (assuming you bag something while your out of course)
And heh...the day your scenario comes to pass rage, then it will no longer be rabbits I'm after poaching, but bigger, more..cerebral...game. Shit goes all post-apocalyptic, I reckon my..talents, would make for a pretty good insurgent haha.
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http://www.icleiusa.org/about-iclei/faqs/faq-iclei-the-united-nations-and-agenda-21#what-is-agenda-21 (http://www.icleiusa.org/about-iclei/faqs/faq-iclei-the-united-nations-and-agenda-21#what-is-agenda-21)
Agenda 21 is not a treaty or legally binding document and does not infringe upon the sovereignty of any nation, state, or local government. Agenda 21 does not advocate for abolishing private property or have any bearing on U.S. local and state land-use decisions. In other words, it isn’t being forced on anybody, anywhere, by any organization.
If you were trying to enslave everyone, would you tell them, or would you lie, and do the same kinds of things all the thousands of tyrants in human history did? Odeon. You act like being human livestock is virtuous.
Do you have any proof or are you simply assuming that the UN lies?
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But most of those things are unsustainable in the long run. That isn't stupid at all, that's very wise, although it is of course uncomfortable for us to change our way of life.
Agriculture? Private property? Land that serves human needs. Mhm. According to Agenda 21, we all die to save the planet. Which eventually dies anyway.
We actually don't need agriculture. We have it because we are too lazy to hunt and gather food like people did 10000 years ago.
Agenda 21 also forbids hunting.
It doesn't *forbid* anything.
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Does it really say so? Then it's pretty absurd. Although you don't need meat to survive, of course. But not being allowed to move is pretty extreme.
The whole thing is extreme. Dude I get it. It looks really nice the first time you skim through. If you really study that stuff though, and study the activities of the people making these plans, you'll begin to understand that its not for your benefit at all. Its actually very familiar, and its happened like a bajillion times as long as people could build societies. Some charismatic people have some good ideas, they inspire hope in people. Everything seems to be going real good, and....
The Holocaust in color Nazi rising terror and concentration camps (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zaCdKwFcHnw#)
Hiroshima Nuclear (atomic) Bomb - USA attack on Japan (1945) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gwkyPvlWPM0#ws)
Burman Muslims being burned, killed, slugged where is UN ? Recent video (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ibO5l7wz9I#ws)
DEMOCIDE: Socialism, Tyranny, Guns And Freedom (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rmfs_QM0OIA#ws)
What is your argument, exactly? Because Nazis were scary, these environmental dudes must be scary too? What?
And are you planning on actually proving something instead of employing strawman argumentation?
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But most of those things are unsustainable in the long run. That isn't stupid at all, that's very wise, although it is of course uncomfortable for us to change our way of life.
Agriculture? Private property? Land that serves human needs. Mhm. According to Agenda 21, we all die to save the planet. Which eventually dies anyway.
We actually don't need agriculture. We have it because we are too lazy to hunt and gather food like people did 10000 years ago.
Agenda 21 also forbids hunting.
It doesn't *forbid* anything.
Information is not easy to come by on this from an unbiased source so I poked around some at
United Nations Environment Programme
environment for development (http://www.unep.org/Documents.Multilingual/Default.asp?documentid=52)
You are correct in saying that it forbids nothing as it is only guidelines and suggestions, actual laws are up to the governments who wish to take on those suggestions. They can take these things as far as they want and pick and choose what they want and that is one reason I don't see it happening with such dire consequences as many portray although they did ban smart phones in Florida so you never know. What really stands out to be is the massive amount of bureaucracy it would create and for something that is about being sustainable how would it sustain itself. Bureaucracies also tend to just make things worse and impose stupid rules like magicians having to license and have a written disaster plan for having even just one rabbit
Link (http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2013/jul/1/agriculture-department-tells-magician-write-disast/) .
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And this is why people shouldn't rely on information online. Most of it is bollocks.
Sadly, misinformation is how most conspiracy theories are born. They're driven by cognitive bias and rarely hold up when put under scrutiny.
Still, it's an interesting source for my dissertation which I'm researching ahead of schedule. Even have a title: "Faction or Fiction? Misinformation and the Internet".
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omg rage. You are....frustratingly not realising the facts. I guess I will have to dig them up somewhere for you.
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omg rage. You are....frustratingly not realising the facts. I guess I will have to dig them up somewhere for you.
D'awww.... he's gonna try to fix stupid.
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Does it really say so? Then it's pretty absurd. Although you don't need meat to survive, of course. But not being allowed to move is pretty extreme.
The whole thing is extreme. Dude I get it. It looks really nice the first time you skim through. If you really study that stuff though, and study the activities of the people making these plans, you'll begin to understand that its not for your benefit at all. Its actually very familiar, and its happened like a bajillion times as long as people could build societies. Some charismatic people have some good ideas, they inspire hope in people. Everything seems to be going real good, and....
The Holocaust in color Nazi rising terror and concentration camps (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zaCdKwFcHnw#)
Hiroshima Nuclear (atomic) Bomb - USA attack on Japan (1945) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gwkyPvlWPM0#ws)
Burman Muslims being burned, killed, slugged where is UN ? Recent video (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ibO5l7wz9I#ws)
DEMOCIDE: Socialism, Tyranny, Guns And Freedom (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rmfs_QM0OIA#ws)
What is your argument, exactly? Because Nazis were scary, these environmental dudes must be scary too? What?
And are you planning on actually proving something instead of employing strawman argumentation?
No, because almost every political structure like the current ones today resulted in demicide as far back as human history goes. And that's a lot of cultures, and a lot of people murdered by their government. I'm not falling for it.
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Rage, I think you are unaware of a lot of crap that goes on in unregulated, OR big corp, OR black market businesses. A lot of agricultural activities not only deplete the earth of minerals, pollute nearby water sheds, ruin chances of certain species to regain any footing, increase the prevalence of nasty bugs (swine flu, avian flu, etc), kill off species we NEED to fucking breathe (phytoplankton in ocean and trees on land), but many of the activities may be illegal (or cutting corners), and infringing on indigenous rights for sustenance farming and hunting, and other traditional activities.
If you look into this stuff you will be scared shitless about what we are doing to the planet, and to our ability to sustain ourselves without NEEDING big corps. We are not dying to save it, we are saving it to save ourselves.
Gawd. What do you think, ONLY the gov'ts are capable of screwing things over?
You are so paranoid about the Big Brother that your are overlooking a shit ton of things. Same rhetoric as a politician dude. REMEMBER conspiracy theorists are nothing but politicians. That is all they are. Get the real facts.
Actually no. I haven't overlooked that, but right now an enemy of my enemy is my friend. And my priority one enemy is global elite bankers. First priority in that list is the united states federal reserve. They've GOT to fucking go. I'd be tickled pink if they were all put in prison.
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Does it really say so? Then it's pretty absurd. Although you don't need meat to survive, of course. But not being allowed to move is pretty extreme.
The whole thing is extreme. Dude I get it. It looks really nice the first time you skim through. If you really study that stuff though, and study the activities of the people making these plans, you'll begin to understand that its not for your benefit at all. Its actually very familiar, and its happened like a bajillion times as long as people could build societies. Some charismatic people have some good ideas, they inspire hope in people. Everything seems to be going real good, and....
The Holocaust in color Nazi rising terror and concentration camps (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zaCdKwFcHnw#)
Hiroshima Nuclear (atomic) Bomb - USA attack on Japan (1945) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gwkyPvlWPM0#ws)
Burman Muslims being burned, killed, slugged where is UN ? Recent video (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ibO5l7wz9I#ws)
DEMOCIDE: Socialism, Tyranny, Guns And Freedom (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rmfs_QM0OIA#ws)
What is your argument, exactly? Because Nazis were scary, these environmental dudes must be scary too? What?
And are you planning on actually proving something instead of employing strawman argumentation?
No, because almost every political structure like the current ones today resulted in demicide as far back as human history goes. And that's a lot of cultures, and a lot of people murdered by their government. I'm not falling for it.
It's not a "political structure", they do not have the power. And you are doing the strawman again.
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you are doing the strawman again.
I really want "the strawman" to be a dance, now.
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Does it really say so? Then it's pretty absurd. Although you don't need meat to survive, of course. But not being allowed to move is pretty extreme.
The whole thing is extreme. Dude I get it. It looks really nice the first time you skim through. If you really study that stuff though, and study the activities of the people making these plans, you'll begin to understand that its not for your benefit at all. Its actually very familiar, and its happened like a bajillion times as long as people could build societies. Some charismatic people have some good ideas, they inspire hope in people. Everything seems to be going real good, and....
The Holocaust in color Nazi rising terror and concentration camps (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zaCdKwFcHnw#)
Hiroshima Nuclear (atomic) Bomb - USA attack on Japan (1945) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gwkyPvlWPM0#ws)
Burman Muslims being burned, killed, slugged where is UN ? Recent video (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ibO5l7wz9I#ws)
DEMOCIDE: Socialism, Tyranny, Guns And Freedom (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rmfs_QM0OIA#ws)
What is your argument, exactly? Because Nazis were scary, these environmental dudes must be scary too? What?
And are you planning on actually proving something instead of employing strawman argumentation?
No, because almost every political structure like the current ones today resulted in demicide as far back as human history goes. And that's a lot of cultures, and a lot of people murdered by their government. I'm not falling for it.
It's not a "political structure", they do not have the power. And you are doing the strawman again.
Its sad to see someone be so brainwashed.
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[...]but right now an enemy of my enemy is my friend. And my priority one enemy is global elite bankers. First priority in that list is the united states federal reserve. They've GOT to fucking go. I'd be tickled pink if they were all put in prison.
Cool bro, but how did any of that turn you into this whacked out conspiracy nut?
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People who steal and take advantage are criminals, and belong in prison. This is common sense, guys. Act all superior and progressive as much as you like, but I've got more important things to do than pat you on the head and tell you what a smart little faggot you are. I haven't demanded you adopt my point of view, I just presented some things I've noticed, and some of my thoughts as your friend. Go ahead and fling shit on it if that's what makes you happy.
:lolwat:
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The conspiracy theories and "alternative" theories is usually a sign of just as much (in fact, probably more) brainwashing than going along with the mainstream media etc.
Don't trust the media or the government, of course. But at the same time, don't buy into this shit that everyone's out to get you 100% of the time.
Milla went like that last time I was really in touch with her. Proper obsessive about this kinda thing. Totally changed worldview. People almost seem fanatical about it when they start going on about this kinda thing.
It doesn't have to be complete acceptance of what you're told, or complete disbelief in everything. The reality is usually somewhere in between
Fuck I]m making no sense. Battery's about to go too.
Basically..., just because youre paranoid, don't mean they're not after you... but they're probably not after you as much as you think they are
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The conspiracy theories and "alternative" theories is usually a sign of just as much (in fact, probably more) brainwashing than going along with the mainstream media etc.
Don't trust the media or the government, of course. But at the same time, don't buy into this shit that everyone's out to get you 100% of the time.
Milla went like that last time I was really in touch with her. Proper obsessive about this kinda thing. Totally changed worldview. People almost seem fanatical about it when they start going on about this kinda thing.
It doesn't have to be complete acceptance of what you're told, or complete disbelief in everything. The reality is usually somewhere in between
Fuck I]m making no sense. Battery's about to go too.
Basically..., just because youre paranoid, don't mean they're not after you... but they're probably not after you as much as you think they are
Don't worry dude. I don't think everyone is out to get me. I just think we're dealing with elements infecting the UN that have sprung up many times throughout our history. In this era, its come in the form of the global elite bankers and corporation owners. Resources are dwindling, and since these people are so greedy, they are not willing to give even a little up from their lifestyles. They'd rather everyone else starve to death, or what have you.
These people need to be removed, and more of a balance restored to world power or it will continue to tip in the favor of the elite.
I think a lot of people are also pissed at me because they actually take stock in political parties or some such ignorance, and I don't. I hated bush, I hate Obama. I wanted bush impeached, I want Obama impeached too. I think I may be a little angrier with Obama because I really had high hopes for him, and his turncoat act of suddenly continuing the work bush was doing really cut me deep. Maybe I took that personally.
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Yeah I hated Bush too.
I get that Obama isn't perfect and a lot of people had high expectations of him which he hasn't fulfilled for them
But compared to the alternatives, I think he's fucking sex on toast
And I mean that in the least possible gay way
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People who steal and take advantage are criminals, and belong in prison. This is common sense, guys. Act all superior and progressive as much as you like, but I've got more important things to do than pat you on the head and tell you what a smart little faggot you are. I haven't demanded you adopt my point of view, I just presented some things I've noticed, and some of my thoughts as your friend. Go ahead and fling shit on it if that's what makes you happy.
:lolwat:
hahaha you're the faggot. just shut up you faggot.
Ok, enough silly from me. I actually like your position on the fed and banks in general, but I still don't see the connection with that and agenda 21.
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Yeah I hated Bush too.
I get that Obama isn't perfect and a lot of people had high expectations of him which he hasn't fulfilled for them
But compared to the alternatives, I think he's fucking sex on toast
And I mean that in the least possible gay way
Actually I once thought that way too. But Obama has turned out to break every single promise he made. And i'm not kidding here. If you really look at all the promises he made as a candidate, and his actions after being elected, you will see that he is just as much of a liar as bush. He's just better at it, and more charming.
I think next time, we need to find a president who is not funded so well. We really, REALLY do.
hahaha you're the faggot. just shut up you faggot.
Ok, enough silly from me. I actually like your position on the fed and banks in general, but I still don't see the connection with that and agenda 21.
HAH! I knew at least you weren't like that, dude. I'll tell you all about it sometime, when I don't have a lot of studying to do, and you can go ahead and decide for yourself whats right or wrong.
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The conspiracy theories and "alternative" theories is usually a sign of just as much (in fact, probably more) brainwashing than going along with the mainstream media etc.
Don't trust the media or the government, of course. But at the same time, don't buy into this shit that everyone's out to get you 100% of the time.
Milla went like that last time I was really in touch with her. Proper obsessive about this kinda thing. Totally changed worldview. People almost seem fanatical about it when they start going on about this kinda thing.
It doesn't have to be complete acceptance of what you're told, or complete disbelief in everything. The reality is usually somewhere in between
Fuck I]m making no sense. Battery's about to go too.
Basically..., just because youre paranoid, don't mean they're not after you... but they're probably not after you as much as you think they are
That's pretty much the best way to view things.
It's a shame Milla went like that, although to be honest never going out etc. would've definitely had a contributing factor.
As for this, I'm sorry Rage but I do not buy it. At all. Governments do a lot of nasty shit, but this is frankly bullshit. Keep to the legitimate conspiracy theories, ie. Watergate scandal.
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Yeah I hated Bush too.
I get that Obama isn't perfect and a lot of people had high expectations of him which he hasn't fulfilled for them
But compared to the alternatives, I think he's fucking sex on toast
And I mean that in the least possible gay way
This is true. I like Obama, not because of anything hes achieved, but because Bush was such a nutjob, that Obama seems like a saint in comparison.
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The conspiracy theories and "alternative" theories is usually a sign of just as much (in fact, probably more) brainwashing than going along with the mainstream media etc.
Don't trust the media or the government, of course. But at the same time, don't buy into this shit that everyone's out to get you 100% of the time.
Milla went like that last time I was really in touch with her. Proper obsessive about this kinda thing. Totally changed worldview. People almost seem fanatical about it when they start going on about this kinda thing.
It doesn't have to be complete acceptance of what you're told, or complete disbelief in everything. The reality is usually somewhere in between
Fuck I]m making no sense. Battery's about to go too.
Basically..., just because youre paranoid, don't mean they're not after you... but they're probably not after you as much as you think they are
That's pretty much the best way to view things.
It's a shame Milla went like that, although to be honest never going out etc. would've definitely had a contributing factor.
As for this, I'm sorry Rage but I do not buy it. At all. Governments do a lot of nasty shit, but this is frankly bullshit. Keep to the legitimate conspiracy theories, ie. Watergate scandal.
What about Kennedy being assassinated almost right after he signed bills that would eventually dissolve the federal reserve? And wouldn't you know it, the first thing LBJ did was get rid of that. Huh!
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Yeah I hated Bush too.
I get that Obama isn't perfect and a lot of people had high expectations of him which he hasn't fulfilled for them
But compared to the alternatives, I think he's fucking sex on toast
And I mean that in the least possible gay way
This is true. I like Obama, not because of anything hes achieved, but because Bush was such a nutjob, that Obama seems like a saint in comparison.
Actually, he's getting even worse than bush. I mean he's stopped pretending he's about the people at this point, cause he'd near the end of his presidential career. He's done nothing but build on bush's work, essentially. He's just charming and a good speaker. People trust him because he's handsome and says things that make them nod their head.
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I still don't buy it. I'd rather look this up myself and form my own conclusions rather than someone preaching from his soapbox and expecting me to blindly believe it. Sadly, so far most of my conclusions have been "that's bullshit", despite how much I research into such things.
This kind of stuff is fancy speculation, nothing more. Legitimate conspiracy theories often arise due to intense investigation and finding answers, not asking questions and then telling people to "wake up" because they answer them.
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Yeah I hated Bush too.
I get that Obama isn't perfect and a lot of people had high expectations of him which he hasn't fulfilled for them
But compared to the alternatives, I think he's fucking sex on toast
And I mean that in the least possible gay way
This is true. I like Obama, not because of anything hes achieved, but because Bush was such a nutjob, that Obama seems like a saint in comparison.
Actually, he's getting even worse than bush. I mean he's stopped pretending he's about the people at this point, cause he'd near the end of his presidential career. He's done nothing but build on bush's work, essentially. He's just charming and a good speaker. People trust him because he's handsome and says things that make them nod their head.
^ gotta totally agree with that
Voted for him twice tho
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Yeah I hated Bush too.
I get that Obama isn't perfect and a lot of people had high expectations of him which he hasn't fulfilled for them
But compared to the alternatives, I think he's fucking sex on toast
And I mean that in the least possible gay way
This is true. I like Obama, not because of anything hes achieved, but because Bush was such a nutjob, that Obama seems like a saint in comparison.
Actually, he's getting even worse than bush. I mean he's stopped pretending he's about the people at this point, cause he'd near the end of his presidential career. He's done nothing but build on bush's work, essentially. He's just charming and a good speaker. People trust him because he's handsome and says things that make them nod their head.
Agreed. He's a Dubya in savior's clothing. Hope! Change!
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I still don't buy it. I'd rather look this up myself and form my own conclusions rather than someone preaching from his soapbox and expecting me to blindly believe it. Sadly, so far most of my conclusions have been "that's bullshit", despite how much I research into such things.
This kind of stuff is fancy speculation, nothing more. Legitimate conspiracy theories often arise due to intense investigation and finding answers, not asking questions and then telling people to "wake up" because they answer them.
Glad to know you're so knowledgeable about my country sir. Perhaps you could give me some of your wisdom, and teach me about my own country, its politics, its history, etc?
*pats you on the back, sideways grin*
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What does that post have to do with your country?
Besides, why preach to people here about it when a large percentage of users are not from the US?
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It's not a "political structure", they do not have the power. And you are doing the strawman again.
Its sad to see someone be so brainwashed.
Because I don't accept your conspiracy theories at face value? You're going off the deep end, Rage.
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I still don't buy it. I'd rather look this up myself and form my own conclusions rather than someone preaching from his soapbox and expecting me to blindly believe it. Sadly, so far most of my conclusions have been "that's bullshit", despite how much I research into such things.
This kind of stuff is fancy speculation, nothing more. Legitimate conspiracy theories often arise due to intense investigation and finding answers, not asking questions and then telling people to "wake up" because they answer them.
Glad to know you're so knowledgeable about my country sir. Perhaps you could give me some of your wisdom, and teach me about my own country, its politics, its history, etc?
*pats you on the back, sideways grin*
You do realise that Agenda 21 not something your country came up with, right?
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Agenda 21 has been going on for a long time. Like I said, many things they are in favour of are actually very wise. What I dislike is that the creeps running the US and the EU could force this upon us without our consent, like they do with lots of other stuff.
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Force what upon us, exactly?
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Force what upon us, exactly?
Things like having to eat certain food, live in a certain place, being forced to stop driving cars etc.
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Force what upon us, exactly?
Things like having to eat certain food, live in a certain place, being forced to stop driving cars etc.
They can't, actually.
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What does that post have to do with your country?
Besides, why preach to people here about it when a large percentage of users are not from the US?
I was talking about the federal Reserve, and you jumped on it like a duck on a june bug. You don't know anything about the Federal reserve without google or Wikipedia. Shutup. I know you want to argue, and make my points look stupid as best you can, but at LEAST try not to skim my posts.
I was talking about the current president, and I countered your statement before that, telling me my hatred of elite bankers(federal reserve) was bullshit, like so:
Your bullshit:That's pretty much the best way to view things.
It's a shame Milla went like that, although to be honest never going out etc. would've definitely had a contributing factor.
As for this, I'm sorry Rage but I do not buy it. At all. Governments do a lot of nasty shit, but this is frankly bullshit. Keep to the legitimate conspiracy theories, ie. Watergate scandal.
Me:
What about Kennedy being assassinated almost right after he signed bills that would eventually dissolve the federal reserve? And wouldn't you know it, the first thing LBJ did was get rid of that. Huh!
American stuff. So then you come in with this shit right after.
What does that post have to do with your country?
Besides, why preach to people here about it when a large percentage of users are not from the US?
The federal reserve? Kennedy getting shot for trying to fight it? Then going on to talk about why i'm mad at President Obama? Um, it has a lot to do with my country. Perhaps you idiots should take your own advice, and do YOUR research, and understand what YOU are talking about, before YOU make YOUR arguments.
Kind of like I've been telling you. You guys just seem to look at everything through a haze, or something.
Because I don't accept your conspiracy theories at face value? You're going off the deep end, Rage.
No, because you don't accept anything outside your little drum circle. You live in a fantasy world, and i'm entitled to say so.
You do realise that Agenda 21 not something your country came up with, right?
Nice skim-job, big guy. That particular exchange had nothing to do with Agenda 21 in particular. :lol1:
Force what upon us, exactly?
Things like having to eat certain food, live in a certain place, being forced to stop driving cars etc.
They can't, actually.
You're wrong, and right at the same time. We as people have to be "for" these things, but how informed are the people? Really. How much do YOU actually know about this? Any issue in the world today really, how closely are you actually paying attention, man?
Brainwashed.
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Deluded.
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Deluded.
Funny, that's what I was just saying about you in a wall of text, backed by quotes from your own posts. But whatever. ::)
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Whatever you say. :zoinks:
Sorry for having ACTUAL rationality and critical thinking skills, not your twisted version of it that basically is "listen to me or you're dumb".
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Whatever you say. :zoinks:
Sorry for having ACTUAL rationality and critical thinking skills, not your twisted version of it that basically is "listen to me or you're dumb".
Sorry that I think ACTUAL rationality and critical thinking skills involved drudging up proof instead of "everything uncomfortable is wrong". Like you know, quoting posts, citing sources, reading actual history books.
All you're doing is making little faces and disagreeing with everything. Gosh you look smart(I know whats what you really want, to look like a smart little faggot).
*pats you on the head* Good job. :lolwat:
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Sorry that I think ACTUAL rationality and critical thinking skills involved drudging up proof instead of "everything uncomfortable is wrong". Like you know, quoting posts, citing sources, reading actual history books.
You've never produced any evidence to back your claims, and anything you HAVE produced has produced different conclusions to you, or don't show anything to back up what you're saying.
All you're doing is making little faces and disagreeing with everything. Gosh you look smart(I know whats what you really want, to look like a smart little faggot).
:LMAO:
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You've never produced any evidence to back your claims, and anything you HAVE produced has produced different conclusions to you.
That's quite a lofty claim in itself. I challenge you to back that up. Go.
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I have not seen one shred of evidence. Simple as that. Your paper on Agenda 21 outlines Agenda 21, not plans on enforcing it. As Odeurn pointed out, it cannot be enforced and in reality is more guidelines to improve the environment than anything really sinister. Especially since said governments do not WANT to improve the environment since the income is so lucrative to begin with.
Sadly, this also has been tacked on to the previous FEMA camp/NWO mass extinction conspiracies, both ultimately bullshit in their own right, but putting a legit document into the mix still does not make it any less bullshit.
Just because I do not agree with you, does not mean I don't accept that shady things are going on. That's pretty much obvious that politicians and wealthy people are exploiting others. That's blatant when you see something that says "made in China", for example. However, your version of it is pretty much bullshit and frankly unnecessary, since the big picture is this: Governments are being retarded and stuff needs to be changed. No further explanation is needed in my opinion.
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I have not seen one shred of evidence. Simple as that. Your paper on Agenda 21 outlines Agenda 21, not plans on enforcing it. As Odeurn pointed out, it cannot be enforced and in reality is more guidelines to improve the environment than anything really sinister.
it cannot be enforced and in reality is more guidelines to improve the environment than anything really sinister.
And as I've pointed out, you and odeon posess absolutely no abstract thinking ability at all. For some of this, you have to look at how history has repeated itself countless times, and read between the lines a bit. Sometimes to play this game, you gotta go with your gut a bit to win.
it cannot be enforced
I bet people have thought that same thing so many times in the past, then were DEAD a few years later. :dunno:
Sadly, this also has been tacked on to the previous FEMA camp/NWO mass extinction conspiracies, both ultimately bullshit in their own right, but putting a legit document into the mix still does not make it any less bullshit.
I do not subscribe to the mass extinction theories. The rise of FEMA however, is pretty obvious if you are an American citizen. Police brutality is worse than it has ever been, and they are most times just as well armed as military soldiers.
Just because I do not agree with you, does not mean I don't accept that shady things are going on.
Good. At least you're better off than some.
However, your version of it is pretty much bullshit
Because i'm rage, right? :zoinks:
You don't even know what my vision of this actually is. Why don't you tell ME what I believe? :green:
Governments are being retarded and stuff needs to be changed. No further explanation is needed in my opinion.
Kind of. I blame the morbidly wealthy instead, tho.
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I still don't buy it. I'd rather look this up myself and form my own conclusions rather than someone preaching from his soapbox and expecting me to blindly believe it. Sadly, so far most of my conclusions have been "that's bullshit", despite how much I research into such things.
This kind of stuff is fancy speculation, nothing more. Legitimate conspiracy theories often arise due to intense investigation and finding answers, not asking questions and then telling people to "wake up" because they answer them.
Glad to know you're so knowledgeable about my country sir. Perhaps you could give me some of your wisdom, and teach me about my own country, its politics, its history, etc?
*pats you on the back, sideways grin*
You do realise that Agenda 21 not something your country came up with, right?
^^^^^EXACTLY.
WHICH IS WHY YOU (RAGE) NEED TO UNDERSTAND WHATS GOING ON IN THE WORLD BEFORE YOU MAKE ASSUMPTIONS ABOUT WHAT THINGS SUCH AS "AGRICULTURE" AND "BIODIVERSITY" MEAN IN DIFFERENT CONTEXTS.
I busted out the "all caps" lol...only 'cause I care Ragey.
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I do not subscribe to the mass extinction theories. The rise of FEMA however, is pretty obvious if you are an American citizen. Police brutality is worse than it has ever been, and they are most times just as well armed as military soldiers.
FEMA in one for or another has been around since WW2, during the cold war it was there to deal primarily with the possibility of nuclear war and and major disasters on a nation scale. When being nuked was seen as less of a threat they began focusing on disasters because you need something to justify your funding, going after smaller and smaller 'disasters' as time goes on. Now we get some trees knocked down in a thunderstorm the Governor call for emergency relief and they get sent in
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*cough*
My grandma could tell you about police brutality over the years. Fuck, my uncle, father, brother, aunt, cousins could all reflect. If you think it is "worse" then you are under-informed.
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I still don't buy it. I'd rather look this up myself and form my own conclusions rather than someone preaching from his soapbox and expecting me to blindly believe it. Sadly, so far most of my conclusions have been "that's bullshit", despite how much I research into such things.
This kind of stuff is fancy speculation, nothing more. Legitimate conspiracy theories often arise due to intense investigation and finding answers, not asking questions and then telling people to "wake up" because they answer them.
Glad to know you're so knowledgeable about my country sir. Perhaps you could give me some of your wisdom, and teach me about my own country, its politics, its history, etc?
*pats you on the back, sideways grin*
You do realise that Agenda 21 not something your country came up with, right?
^^^^^EXACTLY.
WHICH IS WHY YOU (RAGE) NEED TO UNDERSTAND WHATS GOING ON IN THE WORLD BEFORE YOU MAKE ASSUMPTIONS ABOUT WHAT THINGS SUCH AS "AGRICULTURE" AND "BIODIVERSITY" MEAN IN DIFFERENT CONTEXTS.
I busted out the "all caps" lol...only 'cause I care Ragey.
How can I understand when these programs are being integrated without my knowledge? Excuse me for being EXTREMELY SUSPICIOUS OF SHADY SHIT.
Caps cause I care, too. ;)
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*cough*
My grandma could tell you about police brutality over the years. Fuck, my uncle, father, brother, aunt, cousins could all reflect. If you think it is "worse" then you are under-informed.
Then inform me. Show me statistics.
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I do not subscribe to the mass extinction theories. The rise of FEMA however, is pretty obvious if you are an American citizen. Police brutality is worse than it has ever been, and they are most times just as well armed as military soldiers.
FEMA in one for or another has been around since WW2, during the cold war it was there to deal primarily with the possibility of nuclear war and and major disasters on a nation scale. When being nuked was seen as less of a threat they began focusing on disasters because you need something to justify your funding, going after smaller and smaller 'disasters' as time goes on. Now we get some trees knocked down in a thunderstorm the Governor call for emergency relief and they get sent in
And they commit hate crimes and shoot kittens in front of little kids and attack people without provocation, etc.
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Do you really need stats?
Just look at this pic for awhile and think.
(http://cdn.theatlantic.com/static/infocus/1963021513/s_f19_05031269.jpg)
Ugh...I have to go and will look for more stats later tonight (its more difficult to find stats from 50's, 60's and 70's because of lack of reporting of certain kinds of violence during that time....). Generally, it is not uncommon for brutality against minorities, poor, homeless, etc, to not be properly documented, so any increase in brutality stats that you may have I guess are based on "reported" stuff, which actually could be a good sign. I would have too look more into it...while I am away, can you please post your sources?
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Do you really need stats?
Just look at this pic for awhile and think.
(http://cdn.theatlantic.com/static/infocus/1963021513/s_f19_05031269.jpg)
Ugh...I have to go and will look for more stats later tonight (its more difficult to find stats from 50's, 60's and 70's because of lack of reporting of certain kinds of violence during that time....). Generally, it is not uncommon for brutality against minorities, poor, homeless, etc, to not be properly documented, so any increase in brutality stats that you may have I guess are based on "reported" stuff, which actually could be a good sign. I would have too look more into it...while I am away, can you please post your sources?
Yea, cops are assholes lol. My great grandfather was murdered by a white man and everyone knew who did it but he was never charged. Ever. It wasn't until after the man was dead my grandfather was told who killed his father. He was 4 years old when his father was murdered. He stormed into the funeral parlor and walked up to the open casket and punched the dead guy in the face.
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I left to listen to irish music at a pub, but alas, there was a soccer game, so no music and I made a bee-line home.
Well... it is disturbingly hard to find concrete stats on police brutality.
I am actually quite annoyed I haven't found anything yet, I will have ot change mysearch terms around....
Meanwhile: http://www.october22.org/StolenLivesProject.html (http://www.october22.org/StolenLivesProject.html)
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Police here are often too soft. You get away with a warning half the time.
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I left to listen to irish music at a pub, but alas, there was a soccer game, so no music and I made a bee-line home.
Well... it is disturbingly hard to find concrete stats on police brutality.
I am actually quite annoyed I haven't found anything yet, I will have ot change mysearch terms around....
Meanwhile: http://www.october22.org/StolenLivesProject.html (http://www.october22.org/StolenLivesProject.html)
No stats but links of stories in the news updated frequently http://www.policemisconduct.net/ (http://www.policemisconduct.net/)
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If you guys are able to make rage think sensically, you deserve a bloody medal. The discussion itself is interesting, but if you're really hoping to get him to think rationally, you're probably wasting your time.
I've said it before, I'll say it again: It's very hard, IMO, to tell with rage where the stupidity ends and deliberate trolling begins. frankly, at this point, I'm not even sure he totally knows. I do think he's hooking folks in this discussion especially with a little bit of each.
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:hyke:
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If you guys are able to make rage think sensically, you deserve a bloody medal. The discussion itself is interesting, but if you're really hoping to get him to think rationally, you're probably wasting your time.
I've said it before, I'll say it again: It's very hard, IMO, to tell with rage where the stupidity ends and deliberate trolling begins. frankly, at this point, I'm not even sure he totally knows. I do think he's hooking folks in this discussion especially with a little bit of each.
I think he says stupid shit and then backpedals to "guys, I'm really trolling LOLOLOL!". That's not really trolling. That's just covering up the stupidity of your posts with a lame excuse. Richard did similar stuff before, along with other retards.
If he honestly believes what he says or not does not really make a difference to me. He's being dumb in general at this moment, and poking him for that is fun.
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:hyke:
:viking:
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If you guys are able to make rage think sensically, you deserve a bloody medal. The discussion itself is interesting, but if you're really hoping to get him to think rationally, you're probably wasting your time.
I've said it before, I'll say it again: It's very hard, IMO, to tell with rage where the stupidity ends and deliberate trolling begins. frankly, at this point, I'm not even sure he totally knows. I do think he's hooking folks in this discussion especially with a little bit of each.
I think he says stupid shit and then backpedals to "guys, I'm really trolling LOLOLOL!". That's not really trolling. That's just covering up the stupidity of your posts with a lame excuse. Richard did similar stuff before, along with other retards.
If he honestly believes what he says or not does not really make a difference to me. He's being dumb in general at this moment, and poking him for that is fun.
You'e just annoyed I was getting you so good in chat that night, and that you can't actually whip me in an argument about this. Even though "you never thought rage was very smart". For such a dumbfuck, i'm holding up pretty well against all these geniuses who have the pretentiousness to call someone else dumb without having ANYTHING to back it up with.
(http://t1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQS707kNacWDg0gSdxgrDwkICFxVaumoMo9XL-f49TRaqvgMKoQ)
If you guys are able to make rage think sensically, you deserve a bloody medal. The discussion itself is interesting, but if you're really hoping to get him to think rationally, you're probably wasting your time.
I've said it before, I'll say it again: It's very hard, IMO, to tell with rage where the stupidity ends and deliberate trolling begins. frankly, at this point, I'm not even sure he totally knows. I do think he's hooking folks in this discussion especially with a little bit of each.
This shit again, Elle? Really? I mean I could understand if you had a bit of history to back this up, maybe some quotes to fuck me with, maybe ANY kind of clout behind your words. All you do is talk. If you have such a problem with me, try calling me out. Put me in my place.
In the end guys, i'm stimulating discussions that need to be had, and you're whining about it. I didn't think we had so many snowflakes here.
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Police here are often too soft. You get away with a warning half the time.
Checkpoint No Consent, Warrantless Vehicle Search, Right to Remain Silent, US Border Patrol (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vUOvnih1PkY#ws)
Merica
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I left to listen to irish music at a pub, but alas, there was a soccer game, so no music and I made a bee-line home.
Well... it is disturbingly hard to find concrete stats on police brutality.
I am actually quite annoyed I haven't found anything yet, I will have ot change mysearch terms around....
Meanwhile: http://www.october22.org/StolenLivesProject.html (http://www.october22.org/StolenLivesProject.html)
No stats but links of stories in the news updated frequently http://www.policemisconduct.net/ (http://www.policemisconduct.net/)
Thanks for the link bud.
Top DHS checkpoint refusals (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u4Ku17CqdZg#ws)
Police State 2013 - The Homeland is part of the Battlefield (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z9MarEqbDiY#ws)
America: A Police State Story (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uiu1UcsoQcA#ws)
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Police here are often too soft. You get away with a warning half the time.
Checkpoint No Consent, Warrantless Vehicle Search, Right to Remain Silent, US Border Patrol (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vUOvnih1PkY#ws)
Merica
Talking about Ireland. Or is the whole world the land of MERRR? :orly:
You'e just annoyed I was getting you so good in chat that night, and that you can't actually whip me in an argument about this. Even though "you never thought rage was very smart". For such a dumbfuck, i'm holding up pretty well against all these geniuses who have the pretentiousness to call someone else dumb without having ANYTHING to back it up with.
What kind of reality are you in? :lol1:
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Police here are often too soft. You get away with a warning half the time.
Checkpoint No Consent, Warrantless Vehicle Search, Right to Remain Silent, US Border Patrol (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vUOvnih1PkY#ws)
Merica
Talking about Ireland. Or is the whole world the land of MERRR? :orly:
You'e just annoyed I was getting you so good in chat that night, and that you can't actually whip me in an argument about this. Even though "you never thought rage was very smart". For such a dumbfuck, i'm holding up pretty well against all these geniuses who have the pretentiousness to call someone else dumb without having ANYTHING to back it up with.
What kind of reality are you in? :lol1:
Talking about Ireland. Or is the whole world the land of MERRR? :orly:
Yeah see I figured someone as BRILLIANT as you, would understand my gesture. I understood your statement about the police in your country, and added, by sharing a bit about mine.
Or is the whole world the land of sheep fuckers?
What kind of reality are you in? :lol1:
A reality where you are just talking shit, instead of defeating any of my points, or disproving any of my theories. You repeatedly contribute nothing but your feelings, which are transparent in that you seem to only care about making yourself feel more intelligent or better than someone else. Pathetic.
You know.. REAL reality.
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And as I've pointed out, you and odeon posess absolutely no abstract thinking ability at all. For some of this, you have to look at how history has repeated itself countless times, and read between the lines a bit. Sometimes to play this game, you gotta go with your gut a bit to win.
That's quite a leap you take, from agenda 21 to Nazis, and so far it looks like the connection is clear only to you. How about producing some kind of actual proof instead of this shit?
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That's quite a leap you take, from agenda 21 to Nazis, and so far it looks like the connection is clear only to you. How about producing some kind of actual proof instead of this shit?
YOU DON'T REALLY HAVE ASPERGER'S
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And as I've pointed out, you and odeon posess absolutely no abstract thinking ability at all. For some of this, you have to look at how history has repeated itself countless times, and read between the lines a bit. Sometimes to play this game, you gotta go with your gut a bit to win.
That's quite a leap you take, from agenda 21 to Nazis, and so far it looks like the connection is clear only to you. How about producing some kind of actual proof instead of this shit?
You don't seem to like any of the proof I produce.
That's quite a leap you take, from agenda 21 to Nazis, and so far it looks like the connection is clear only to you. How about producing some kind of actual proof instead of this shit?
YOU DON'T REALLY HAVE ASPERGER'S
You butthole.
(https://i.chzbgr.com/maxW500/3246213376/h12FA4B22/)
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That's quite a leap you take, from agenda 21 to Nazis, and so far it looks like the connection is clear only to you. How about producing some kind of actual proof instead of this shit?
YOU DON'T REALLY HAVE ASPERGER'S
You butthole.
(https://i.chzbgr.com/maxW500/3246213376/h12FA4B22/)
NEUROTYPICAL!!! HITLER!!! LACK OF BOOBIES!!!
ALLLLLL OF THE THREAD KILLERZZZZZZZZZZZ
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That's quite a leap you take, from agenda 21 to Nazis, and so far it looks like the connection is clear only to you. How about producing some kind of actual proof instead of this shit?
YOU DON'T REALLY HAVE ASPERGER'S
You butthole.
(https://i.chzbgr.com/maxW500/3246213376/h12FA4B22/)
NEUROTYPICAL!!! HITLER!!! LACK OF BOOBIES!!!
ALLLLLL OF THE THREAD KILLERZZZZZZZZZZZ
>:(
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And as I've pointed out, you and odeon posess absolutely no abstract thinking ability at all. For some of this, you have to look at how history has repeated itself countless times, and read between the lines a bit. Sometimes to play this game, you gotta go with your gut a bit to win.
That's quite a leap you take, from agenda 21 to Nazis, and so far it looks like the connection is clear only to you. How about producing some kind of actual proof instead of this shit?
But the Nazis banned some toxic chemicals in wine-growing in 1941. That must be proof enough ???
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That's quite a leap you take, from agenda 21 to Nazis, and so far it looks like the connection is clear only to you. How about producing some kind of actual proof instead of this shit?
You don't seem to like any of the proof I produce.
Which proof is that? Where?
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:laugh:
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That's quite a leap you take, from agenda 21 to Nazis, and so far it looks like the connection is clear only to you. How about producing some kind of actual proof instead of this shit?
You don't seem to like any of the proof I produce.
Which proof is that? Where?
How about a little testimony who knows more about it than you? Maybe that'd be a good start hmm?
Camp America, Kitty Werthmann speech, Howard Lake, MN. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mr9777ugCiM#ws)
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That's quite a leap you take, from agenda 21 to Nazis, and so far it looks like the connection is clear only to you. How about producing some kind of actual proof instead of this shit?
You don't seem to like any of the proof I produce.
Which proof is that? Where?
How about a little testimony who knows more about it than you? Maybe that'd be a good start hmm?
Camp America, Kitty Werthmann speech, Howard Lake, MN. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mr9777ugCiM#ws)
That's not proof, Rage. Her message is no less of a strawman than yours:
http://skeptoid.com/blog/2013/01/07/kitty-werthmann-history-distorted/ (http://skeptoid.com/blog/2013/01/07/kitty-werthmann-history-distorted/)
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Not really "proof". I've seen plenty of videos of people claiming to be former CIA members etc. spew all sorts of shit, and people see it as proof. You know what one such video was about? Nibiru in 2012. As much as you'd argue with these people, they were adamant they were right and that I was just some lowly "sheep". Well, we all know the result of that.
My point is, someone talking on a video does not back up anything, especially when such a video does not show any links to sources, or any sort of evidence. Even if such a video would have such sources and evidence, I would be skeptical until I looked through it myself and find other sources that back it up. Sadly the only videos that held up with their evidence etc. are videos that usually disprove the conspiracies.
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Here you go all the proof you need :zoinks:
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That's quite a leap you take, from agenda 21 to Nazis, and so far it looks like the connection is clear only to you. How about producing some kind of actual proof instead of this shit?
You don't seem to like any of the proof I produce.
Which proof is that? Where?
How about a little testimony who knows more about it than you? Maybe that'd be a good start hmm?
Camp America, Kitty Werthmann speech, Howard Lake, MN. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mr9777ugCiM#ws)
That's not proof, Rage. Her message is no less of a strawman than yours:
http://skeptoid.com/blog/2013/01/07/kitty-werthmann-history-distorted/ (http://skeptoid.com/blog/2013/01/07/kitty-werthmann-history-distorted/)
Kitty Werthmann: History Distorted
1.7.2013 | by Mike Rothschild
Rothschild
(https://encrypted-tbn1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQ93ZQBZimc9gD5kuDQd4ZkQ_FspNPKIe2aYVN2Jgskl-n_o67c2A)
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arguing on the internet ftw!
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Quick, somebody hand rage a joint!
No wait...bad idea.....oh my god.....someone please.....take it away.....no don't! just RUUUUUUUUUUUUUUNNNNNN!!! :GA:
(rage, still waiting on your stats. Since u get stuff from go'vt sites, and I am having a hard time finding anything, I was hoping to use your sources as a reference point).
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Quick, somebody hand rage a joint!
No wait...bad idea.....oh my god.....someone please.....take it away.....no don't! just RUUUUUUUUUUUUUUNNNNNN!!! :GA:
(rage, still waiting on your stats. Since u get stuff from go'vt sites, and I am having a hard time finding anything, I was hoping to use your sources as a reference point).
(Lets do that privately some afternoon, dude. Not here.)
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Quick, somebody hand rage a joint!
No wait...bad idea.....oh my god.....someone please.....take it away.....no don't! just RUUUUUUUUUUUUUUNNNNNN!!! :GA:
(rage, still waiting on your stats. Since u get stuff from go'vt sites, and I am having a hard time finding anything, I was hoping to use your sources as a reference point).
(Lets do that privately some afternoon, dude. Not here.)
:eyebrow:
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Quick, somebody hand rage a joint!
No wait...bad idea.....oh my god.....someone please.....take it away.....no don't! just RUUUUUUUUUUUUUUNNNNNN!!! :GA:
(rage, still waiting on your stats. Since u get stuff from go'vt sites, and I am having a hard time finding anything, I was hoping to use your sources as a reference point).
(Lets do that privately some afternoon, dude. Not here.)
:eyebrow:
For one thing I got a lot of mathlab to do, and I don't want to share the results of my research with people like THESE.
(http://data.whicdn.com/images/9062223/thumb_HMPH_thumb.jpg)
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That's quite a leap you take, from agenda 21 to Nazis, and so far it looks like the connection is clear only to you. How about producing some kind of actual proof instead of this shit?
You don't seem to like any of the proof I produce.
Which proof is that? Where?
How about a little testimony who knows more about it than you? Maybe that'd be a good start hmm?
Camp America, Kitty Werthmann speech, Howard Lake, MN. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mr9777ugCiM#ws)
That's not proof, Rage. Her message is no less of a strawman than yours:
http://skeptoid.com/blog/2013/01/07/kitty-werthmann-history-distorted/ (http://skeptoid.com/blog/2013/01/07/kitty-werthmann-history-distorted/)
Kitty Werthmann: History Distorted
1.7.2013 | by Mike Rothschild
Rothschild
(https://encrypted-tbn1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQ93ZQBZimc9gD5kuDQd4ZkQ_FspNPKIe2aYVN2Jgskl-n_o67c2A)
Werthmann.
This is fun. Let's do this instead.
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Quick, somebody hand rage a joint!
No wait...bad idea.....oh my god.....someone please.....take it away.....no don't! just RUUUUUUUUUUUUUUNNNNNN!!! :GA:
(rage, still waiting on your stats. Since u get stuff from go'vt sites, and I am having a hard time finding anything, I was hoping to use your sources as a reference point).
(Lets do that privately some afternoon, dude. Not here.)
:eyebrow:
For one thing I got a lot of mathlab to do, and I don't want to share the results of my research with people like THESE.
(http://data.whicdn.com/images/9062223/thumb_HMPH_thumb.jpg)
"Research"? Seriously?
(https://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-frc1/263241_578691438831424_1268226232_n.jpg)
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lol..for some reason, at first, I read 'got a lot of mathlab to do' as 'I have a lot of meth lab to do' haha.
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Werthmann.
This is fun. Let's do this instead
I don't think you get it.
"Research"? Seriously?
Yes, seriously. That's why I don't want to share it with you. Your bias and dependence on knowledge as you understand it is DEAFENING.
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Werthmann.
This is fun. Let's do this instead
I don't think you get it.
"Research"? Seriously?
Yes, seriously. That's why I don't want to share it with you. Your bias and dependence on knowledge as you understand it is DEAFENING.
It's called rational thought. You should try it.
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Rage, Ireland isn't the land of sheep fuckers. That's Wales.
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For one thing I got a lot of mathlab to do, and I don't want to share the results of my research with people like THESE.
(http://data.whicdn.com/images/9062223/thumb_HMPH_thumb.jpg)
From what I've seen, Rage often drags out the "school and/or social life" card when his other arguments seem to be failing and/or when he's asked to produce more or better-quality sources for his arguments. THIS may actually be the Rage-internet-argument version of Mentioning Hitler or Questioning Diagnoses.
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Werthmann.
This is fun. Let's do this instead
I don't think you get it.
"Research"? Seriously?
Yes, seriously. That's why I don't want to share it with you. Your bias and dependence on knowledge as you understand it is DEAFENING.
It's called rational thought. You should try it.
I call it tunnel vision.
From what I've seen, Rage often drags out the "school and/or social life" card when his other arguments seem to be failing and/or when he's asked to produce more or better-quality sources for his arguments. THIS may actually be the Rage-internet-argument version of Mentioning Hitler or Questioning Diagnoses.
Care to elaborate? And use quotes?
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Werthmann.
This is fun. Let's do this instead
I don't think you get it.
"Research"? Seriously?
Yes, seriously. That's why I don't want to share it with you. Your bias and dependence on knowledge as you understand it is DEAFENING.
It's called rational thought. You should try it.
I call it tunnel vision.
From what I've seen, Rage often drags out the "school and/or social life" card when his other arguments seem to be failing and/or when he's asked to produce more or better-quality sources for his arguments. THIS may actually be the Rage-internet-argument version of Mentioning Hitler or Questioning Diagnoses.
Care to elaborate? And use quotes?
She won't. Ever. You ask her to elaborate , she stays quiet like the scared pussy she truly is. She'll likely spin it as she "doesn't care" or some other ridiculous MLA-esque excuse.
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odeon is a she?! Wait... who are we talking about again?
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odeon is a she?! Wait... who are we talking about again?
I'm not sure, but apparently it's serious enough that Rage's girlfriend is jumping in to defend him.
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For one thing I got a lot of mathlab to do, and I don't want to share the results of my research with people like THESE.
(http://data.whicdn.com/images/9062223/thumb_HMPH_thumb.jpg)
From what I've seen, Rage often drags out the "school and/or social life" card when his other arguments seem to be failing and/or when he's asked to produce more or better-quality sources for his arguments. THIS may actually be the Rage-internet-argument version of Mentioning Hitler or Questioning Diagnoses.
She
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Ha! I was confused there too, thinking she was talking about odeon lol
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odeon is a she?! Wait... who are we talking about again?
I'm not sure, but apparently it's serious enough that Rage's girlfriend is jumping in to defend him.
Im not defending him. I am pointing out what i have observed for the past year or so.
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Right, so you have evidence, but you're not going to show it to us, and yet you expect us to believe it?
I call bullshit.
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Right, so you have evidence, but you're not going to show it to us, and yet you expect us to believe it?
I call bullshit.
I just posted some perfectly credible material which illustrates the socialism facism connection. Its in my impeach Obama thread. Mobbing me won't work. Try talking to me, and asking questions. Soaf is doing rather well I think. And you were too, that day we talked in chat.
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odeon is a she?! Wait... who are we talking about again?
I'm not sure, but apparently it's serious enough that Rage's girlfriend is jumping in to defend him.
Shes right, Elle. You have got being passive aggressive down to a lulzy science. Here is your reward.
Make the hole bigger- cyst (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q6OCch-ijts#)
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Right, so you have evidence, but you're not going to show it to us, and yet you expect us to believe it?
I call bullshit.
I just posted some perfectly credible material which illustrates the socialism facism connection. Its in my impeach Obama thread. Mobbing me won't work. Try talking to me, and asking questions. Soaf is doing rather well I think. And you were too, that day we talked in chat.
:LMAO:
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Right, so you have evidence, but you're not going to show it to us, and yet you expect us to believe it?
I call bullshit.
I just posted some perfectly credible material which illustrates the socialism facism connection. Its in my impeach Obama thread. Mobbing me won't work. Try talking to me, and asking questions. Soaf is doing rather well I think. And you were too, that day we talked in chat.
:LMAO:
Heil.
http://www.businessinsider.com/bob-woodward-obama-sequester-white-house-reporting-price-politics-2013-2 (http://www.businessinsider.com/bob-woodward-obama-sequester-white-house-reporting-price-politics-2013-2)
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Right, so you have evidence, but you're not going to show it to us, and yet you expect us to believe it?
I call bullshit.
I just posted some perfectly credible material which illustrates the socialism facism connection. Its in my impeach Obama thread. Mobbing me won't work. Try talking to me, and asking questions. Soaf is doing rather well I think. And you were too, that day we talked in chat.
Already answered.
I'm still wondering why you're not showing the evidence at hand, using excuses such as "I'll send it privately" and "oh, I'm busy IRL".
What I'm starting to feel is that you've no real evidence to back up your claims, and you're most likely scurrying about to find anything that at least backs up some of your argument. In other words, I'm starting to think that you formed conclusions, and only now you're looking for evidence. But hey, that's just speculation on my behalf, but it would not be surprising if it turns out to be true.
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It's not necessary to "invent" conspiracies. There are enough of real ones revealed, like the NSA shit, for instance.
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No ones disproving legitimate conspiracies here.
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I'm not buying this one, though.
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The worst conspiracy is the I2 one and all the stuff going on in the secret admin forum
Now THAT is some real nazi fascist communist shit right there
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Right, so you have evidence, but you're not going to show it to us, and yet you expect us to believe it?
I call bullshit.
I just posted some perfectly credible material which illustrates the socialism facism connection. Its in my impeach Obama thread. Mobbing me won't work. Try talking to me, and asking questions. Soaf is doing rather well I think. And you were too, that day we talked in chat.
Already answered.
I'm still wondering why you're not showing the evidence at hand, using excuses such as "I'll send it privately" and "oh, I'm busy IRL".
What I'm starting to feel is that you've no real evidence to back up your claims, and you're most likely scurrying about to find anything that at least backs up some of your argument. In other words, I'm starting to think that you formed conclusions, and only now you're looking for evidence. But hey, that's just speculation on my behalf, but it would not be surprising if it turns out to be true.
I know what it looks like man, and I should have just pmed the people I thought mattered instead of making a bunch of threads about it. I didn't realize there were so many close minded people about, and I only want to talk to the ones that seem like they'll listen at this point. We'll talk.
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People who don't listen = people who expect you to back up your claims. Amirite? :zoinks:
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:popcorn:
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People who don't listen = people who expect you to back up your claims. Amirite? :zoinks:
No. They're people who will argue with me no matter what I back up my claims with. Nice try though.
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People who don't listen = people who expect you to back up your claims. Amirite? :zoinks:
No. They're people who will argue with me no matter what I back up my claims with. Nice try though.
But you have not shown anything to back up your claims, and even refused to show anything when asked.
All I got from you is a legal document with no correlation to your speculations and a testimonial from some old bint. Neither prove your claims.
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Schleed has a point, as much as it disgusts me to have to admit it.
First time for everything though I guess.
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People who don't listen = people who expect you to back up your claims. Amirite? :zoinks:
No. They're people who will argue with me no matter what I back up my claims with. Nice try though.
But you have not shown anything to back up your claims, and even refused to show anything when asked.
All I got from you is a legal document with no correlation to your speculations and a testimonial from some old bint. Neither prove your claims.
Which claims? You're going to have to be a little more specific than that. ;)
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All of them.
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All of them.
Don't be an asshole, Schleed. Name what you want explained. I'm not going to have an eternal back and forth with you for nothing.
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See, if you're referring to my Agenda 21 theory, I wasn't making a claim. I was stating a theory as to how this could be used in the future, and asking for input.
I wasn't looking to be compared to alex jones simply for using my brain, but there you have it. Perhaps you and a few others are so uncomfortable when things like this are mentioned because you have actual conspiracy theories you think about when you are alone? Mkay. :zoinks:
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All of them.
Don't be an asshole, Schleed. Name what you want explained. I'm not going to have an eternal back and forth with you for nothing.
There is no need to explain your claims. People can easily look them up or already know.
As for Agenda 21, you were passing it off as a fact and telling people they were brainwashed for not accepting it.
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Agenda 21. a great money maker, http://www.glennbeck.com/agenda21/ (http://www.glennbeck.com/agenda21/)
for talking heads like Glenn Beck.
but in reality? it will never happen.
Its sad really. people making money this way, but hey. if any conspiracy is going on its certainly to rob you of your money with goofy ass "potentially scary" scenerios. why hasn't anyone in Hollywood made a movie about this yet? :LOL:
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All of them.
Don't be an asshole, Schleed. Name what you want explained. I'm not going to have an eternal back and forth with you for nothing.
There is no need to explain your claims. People can easily look them up or already know.
As for Agenda 21, you were passing it off as a fact and telling people they were brainwashed for not accepting it.
Show me quotes. :wanker:
Agenda 21. a great money maker, http://www.glennbeck.com/agenda21/ (http://www.glennbeck.com/agenda21/)
for talking heads like Glenn Beck.
but in reality? it will never happen.
Its sad really. people making money this way, but hey. if any conspiracy is going on its certainly to rob you of your money with goofy ass "potentially scary" scenerios. why hasn't anyone in Hollywood made a movie about this yet? :LOL:
I'm going to be honest. I hate that guy. And never is a long time, Richard. There is a possibility this could be implemented, and it leaves a lot of openings for abuse.
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Well, I contest that the only plausible way for something like this to happen would be a total break down of every government on earth, either by a natural disaster (meteor, comet, Yellowstone, plague of some sort) that killed off a lot of the worlds population or by some man made disaster, like nuclear winter.
because, in the meantime you would have governments to deal with. the UN is about as bully and fly shit, they have no real power over anything. even there "army" is a goddamn joke who nobody takes seriously.
so. yes, something could be set up in the future but to speculate on it actually slowly being implemented into society today would mean nothing. the world will go on, as it has until something awful happens. I think
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Show me quotes. :wanker:
In advance, i'll ask if you're shocked yet. I sure the fuck was. Hitler's third reich was a second rate child's birthday party compared to the stuff in there. I couldn't believe it.
YEs those are all in there. Also included are plans to decrease the education of the common working child (yeah no kidding. The only education they will receive is what they will need for "work"), complete banning of the ownership of any property, destruction of the family(all children are to be wards of the state. All citizens are to relocate to designated areas, and live in efficient quarters, provided by the state. Constant surveillance and control will be the standard. Basically labor camps. Kind of like being in prison. Forever. I'm not kidding. Its all in there, dude.
Read it and you'll see, this is the REAL DEAL folks.
If you were trying to enslave everyone, would you tell them, or would you lie, and do the same kinds of things all the thousands of tyrants in human history did? Odeon. You act like being human livestock is virtuous.
You can't just read it once and expect to understand the whole thing dude. They change it constantly, and there are different parts to it.
Agenda 21 also forbids hunting.
And are you planning on actually proving something instead of employing strawman argumentation?
No, because almost every political structure like the current ones today resulted in demicide as far back as human history goes. And that's a lot of cultures, and a lot of people murdered by their government. I'm not falling for it.
Its sad to see someone be so brainwashed.
People who steal and take advantage are criminals, and belong in prison. This is common sense, guys. Act all superior and progressive as much as you like, but I've got more important things to do than pat you on the head and tell you what a smart little faggot you are. I haven't demanded you adopt my point of view, I just presented some things I've noticed, and some of my thoughts as your friend. Go ahead and fling shit on it if that's what makes you happy.
:lolwat:
Glad to know you're so knowledgeable about my country sir. Perhaps you could give me some of your wisdom, and teach me about my own country, its politics, its history, etc?
*pats you on the back, sideways grin*
Kind of like I've been telling you. You guys just seem to look at everything through a haze, or something.
No, because you don't accept anything outside your little drum circle. You live in a fantasy world, and i'm entitled to say so.
Things like having to eat certain food, live in a certain place, being forced to stop driving cars etc.
Brainwashed.
Etc.
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Show me quotes. :wanker:
I was about to compile a list of quotes, but Odeon beat me to it. :laugh:
With a huuuuge lack of evidence to prove anything, contradictions and outright withholding of information, you're not going to convince anyone who isn't outside your circle of tinfoil hats. If the proper evidence was provided, I would happily agree. After all, I speculate that governments are often involved with dodgy dealings and plans to fuck over people, and I would not be surprised if evidence shows this. The recent NSA incident didn't surprise me, for example.
The difference between you and I is that I realise it's only speculation, while you take it as fact. I don't go around telling people to "wake up" or they're "brainwashed" because they don't agree with me, even if there was evidence. I find that people are often apathetic about it rather than uncomfortable, even if they know or form such speculations themselves. It would be haughty and self-righteous of me to even consider trying to convince others on such things.
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Etc.
Damn, odeon, you're putting so much more effort in than I'm willing to.
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Show me quotes. :wanker:
In advance, i'll ask if you're shocked yet. I sure the fuck was. Hitler's third reich was a second rate child's birthday party compared to the stuff in there. I couldn't believe it.
YEs those are all in there. Also included are plans to decrease the education of the common working child (yeah no kidding. The only education they will receive is what they will need for "work"), complete banning of the ownership of any property, destruction of the family(all children are to be wards of the state. All citizens are to relocate to designated areas, and live in efficient quarters, provided by the state. Constant surveillance and control will be the standard. Basically labor camps. Kind of like being in prison. Forever. I'm not kidding. Its all in there, dude.
Read it and you'll see, this is the REAL DEAL folks.
If you were trying to enslave everyone, would you tell them, or would you lie, and do the same kinds of things all the thousands of tyrants in human history did? Odeon. You act like being human livestock is virtuous.
You can't just read it once and expect to understand the whole thing dude. They change it constantly, and there are different parts to it.
Agenda 21 also forbids hunting.
And are you planning on actually proving something instead of employing strawman argumentation?
No, because almost every political structure like the current ones today resulted in demicide as far back as human history goes. And that's a lot of cultures, and a lot of people murdered by their government. I'm not falling for it.
Its sad to see someone be so brainwashed.
People who steal and take advantage are criminals, and belong in prison. This is common sense, guys. Act all superior and progressive as much as you like, but I've got more important things to do than pat you on the head and tell you what a smart little faggot you are. I haven't demanded you adopt my point of view, I just presented some things I've noticed, and some of my thoughts as your friend. Go ahead and fling shit on it if that's what makes you happy.
:lolwat:
Glad to know you're so knowledgeable about my country sir. Perhaps you could give me some of your wisdom, and teach me about my own country, its politics, its history, etc?
*pats you on the back, sideways grin*
Kind of like I've been telling you. You guys just seem to look at everything through a haze, or something.
No, because you don't accept anything outside your little drum circle. You live in a fantasy world, and i'm entitled to say so.
Things like having to eat certain food, live in a certain place, being forced to stop driving cars etc.
Brainwashed.
Etc.
And you don't understand why I called you brainwashed. Is no one allowed to speculate about things that could happen? (very likely in my opinion.) Does it make you THAT uncomfortable when someone is willing to talk about shit that can go wrong?
I tell you bud, its because of guys like me who actually spot these potential threats, hold their hands up and say HEY WHOAH WHOAH, this ain't gonna fly unless we change some things, that these things DON'T happen.
And that's why I decided to refrain from talking about this stuff openly on your site too much. Because it gets your vagina all sandy.
I was about to compile a list of quotes, but Odeon beat me to it. :laugh:
With a huuuuge lack of evidence to prove anything, contradictions and outright withholding of information, you're not going to convince anyone who isn't outside your circle of tinfoil hats. If the proper evidence was provided, I would happily agree. After all, I speculate that governments are often involved with dodgy dealings and plans to fuck over people, and I would not be surprised if evidence shows this. The recent NSA incident didn't surprise me, for example.
The difference between you and I is that I realise it's only speculation, while you take it as fact. I don't go around telling people to "wake up" or they're "brainwashed" because they don't agree with me, even if there was evidence. I find that people are often apathetic about it rather than uncomfortable, even if they know or form such speculations themselves. It would be haughty and self-righteous of me to even consider trying to convince others on such things.
You know what, asshole? I said i'd talk to you about this stuff without the idiots around. Get off my nutsack. Jesus.
Damn, odeon, you're putting so much more effort in than I'm willing to.
Says the passive aggressive cunt. I doubt you're willing to put much effort into anything. ;)
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Rage have you ever considered the possibility that some people are using Agenda 21 for self promotion and as a distraction from real issues, and that they may not be telling the whole truth?
Can't Lie On The Internet (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bufTna0WArc#ws)
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Rage have you ever considered the possibility that some people are using Agenda 21 for self promotion and as a distraction from real issues, and that they may not be telling the whole truth?
Can't Lie On The Internet (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bufTna0WArc#ws)
Indeed I have. Agenda 21 is a backburner concern, but I don't think it should be let out of sight. I say again, it could very well be changed, and used to legislate against freedoms in the future. There is a lot of ambiguous crap in there, and that's never good if it becomes legislated.
I don't trust it.
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Rage have you ever considered the possibility that some people are using Agenda 21 for self promotion and as a distraction from real issues, and that they may not be telling the whole truth?
Can't Lie On The Internet (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bufTna0WArc#ws)
Indeed I have. Agenda 21 is a backburner concern, but I don't think it should be let out of sight. I say again, it could very well be changed, and used to legislate against freedoms in the future. There is a lot of ambiguous crap in there, and that's never good if it becomes legislated.
I don't trust it.
Trust nothing.
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And you don't understand why I called you brainwashed. Is no one allowed to speculate about things that could happen? (very likely in my opinion.) Does it make you THAT uncomfortable when someone is willing to talk about shit that can go wrong?
Who says anything about no-one being allowed to speculate about things? Has someone tried to stop you? You can go off the deep end if you want to, and I can comment on it.
You weren't speculating, though, you were stating these things as facts. See my quotes or reread the thread.
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And you don't understand why I called you brainwashed. Is no one allowed to speculate about things that could happen? (very likely in my opinion.) Does it make you THAT uncomfortable when someone is willing to talk about shit that can go wrong?
Who says anything about no-one being allowed to speculate about things? Has someone tried to stop you? You can go off the deep end if you want to, and I can comment on it.
You weren't speculating, though, you were stating these things as facts. See my quotes or reread the thread.
I did. I pretty much covered it.
Act all superior and progressive as much as you like, but I've got more important things to do than pat you on the head and tell you what a smart little faggot you are. I haven't demanded you adopt my point of view, I just presented some things I've noticed, and some of my thoughts as your friend. Go ahead and fling shit on it if that's what makes you happy.
Yep.
No, because you don't accept anything outside your little drum circle. You live in a fantasy world, and i'm entitled to say so.
Yep.
You can't just read it once and expect to understand the whole thing dude. They change it constantly, and there are different parts to it.
Indeed I have. Agenda 21 is a backburner concern, but I don't think it should be let out of sight. I say again, it could very well be changed, and used to legislate against freedoms in the future. There is a lot of ambiguous crap in there, and that's never good if it becomes legislated.
Yep.
And you don't understand why I called you brainwashed. Is no one allowed to speculate about things that could happen? (very likely in my opinion.) Does it make you THAT uncomfortable when someone is willing to talk about shit that can go wrong?
Who says anything about no-one being allowed to speculate about things? Has someone tried to stop you? You can go off the deep end if you want to, and I can comment on it.
You weren't speculating, though, you were stating these things as facts. See my quotes or reread the thread.
Lol. Very first statement in the thread? A question.
The conservation plan for the brave society of the 21st century. A perfect society. Yeah... how many of you have read this document? Please discuss.
No, you're totally not biased against anything here. And neither is anyone else. Nobody is trying to shut me up. (I won't, anyway.) Nothing to worry about. Everyone just chill out and smoke drugs and have a nice gay circlejerk while not watching our asses.
To hell with that. I'm watching my ass, at least.
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It amuses me to no end that if anyone calls you out for the lack of evidence for your rants, you immediately reply with another strawman.
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This *has* been pretty entertaining to watch, I must admit.
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It amuses me to no end that if anyone calls you out for the lack of evidence for your rants, you immediately reply with another strawman.
So "strawman" means showing that you're full of shit? I reread the thread, and looked at your quotes. It would seem to be that just because I don't talk like some ambiguous nancy-boy, i'm "CONDEMNING" things. I laughed, O-man.
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It amuses me to no end that if anyone calls you out for the lack of evidence for your rants, you immediately reply with another strawman.
So "strawman" means showing that you're full of shit? I reread the thread, and looked at your quotes. It would seem to be that just because I don't talk like some ambiguous nancy-boy, i'm "CONDEMNING" things. I laughed, O-man.
This (http://www.nizkor.org/features/fallacies/straw-man.html) is what it means.
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It amuses me to no end that if anyone calls you out for the lack of evidence for your rants, you immediately reply with another strawman.
So "strawman" means showing that you're full of shit? I reread the thread, and looked at your quotes. It would seem to be that just because I don't talk like some ambiguous nancy-boy, i'm "CONDEMNING" things. I laughed, O-man.
This (http://www.nizkor.org/features/fallacies/straw-man.html) is what it means.
Then you're wrong. This could not be any more different than that.
3.Bill and Jill are arguing about cleaning out their closets:
Jill: "We should clean out the closets. They are getting a bit messy."
Bill: "Why, we just went through those closets last year. Do we have to clean them out everyday?"
Jill: "I never said anything about cleaning them out every day. You just want too keep all your junk forever, which is just ridiculous."
You're comparing the current state of things, to THAT? Are you fucking insane? Are you a robot sent to this planet with insufficient data, whose mission is to comment on the human condition and enable murder, crime, and other nonsense? Because, yes, Odeon. Not opposing things like this: http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bills/112/hr4310/text (http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bills/112/hr4310/text) with every fiber of your soul, even violence if necessary makes one a husk of a human being in my eyes. Every bit as deluded and psychopathic as the people pushing for this nightmarish shit.
Now I will admit. I don't know how informed you are. Maybe this kind of thing is not happening in Sweden. In that case, lucky you, but that won't last long.
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Maybe a little translation will help. Maybe its hard for some assburgers to understand a hard driving character like myself.
Statement, or "claim". Declaration:
Because, yes, Odeon. Not opposing things like this: http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bills/112/hr4310/text (http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bills/112/hr4310/text) with every fiber of your soul, even violence if necessary makes one a husk of a human being in my eyes.
Conjecture, bouncing ideas around, thinking out loud:
The conservation plan for the brave society of the 21st century. A perfect society. Yeah... how many of you have read this document? Please discuss.
If you were trying to enslave everyone, would you tell them, or would you lie, and do the same kinds of things all the thousands of tyrants in human history did? Odeon. You act like being human livestock is virtuous
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If you were trying to enslave everyone
If
If you can't see a difference, I must be wasting my time trying to talk to you guys.
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I think you are a space alien, Rage. There is strong evidence of this, as you've posted pictures of that History Channel guy in the past. Being a space alien, you are not in a position to criticise us earthlings and how we do things. Unless you can prove to me that you are not a space alien, your opinions are worthless, including and especially anything you say about POTUS, because he is not your president and you were born a lot further away than Hawaii or Kenya.
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The truth can be shocking. :orly:
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I think you are a space alien, Rage. There is strong evidence of this, as you've posted pictures of that History Channel guy in the past. Being a space alien, you are not in a position to criticise us earthlings and how we do things. Unless you can prove to me that you are not a space alien, your opinions are worthless, including and especially anything you say about POTUS, because he is not your president and you were born a lot further away than Hawaii or Kenya.
Unless you can prove to me that you are not a space alien, your opinions are worthless
Except I can produce a paper birth certificate, an original social security card issued at birth, a driver's license, and medical records spanning my entire life. So even if I was from another planet, I was born in the U.S. and can prove it in several dozen different ways, which makes me a legal citizen of the united states under the rule of law.
The problem with your argument is, you didn't present any evidence of your claim at all other than your claim. Regardless of your political views, I have presented a large amount of information to support mine. Obama should be impeached.
I need a change of condiments, O-man. The weaksauce of your argument made my stomache turn. It was entirely about your feelings.
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Your birth certificate is either a fraud or it has been tampered with. Social security cards, driver's licenses, etc, are easily produced by the mothership. They've planted false memories in your brain. I bet you even think you've actually experienced them.
As for evidence, the opinions you have presented lately are alien to most of this community or indeed any sane earthling. Sorry, Rage, but I'm going to have to call that History Channel guy.
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Your birth certificate is either a fraud or it has been tampered with. Social security cards, driver's licenses, etc, are easily produced by the mothership. They've planted false memories in your brain. I bet you even think you've actually experienced them.
As for evidence, the opinions you have presented lately are alien to most of this community or indeed any sane earthling. Sorry, Rage, but I'm going to have to call that History Channel guy.
Your birth certificate is either a fraud or it has been tampered with. Social security cards, driver's licenses, etc, are easily produced by the mothership
Very funny. That's not what I did, and you know it.
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Yes they did. They used the methane gas from their farts to make the bombs. Ask Soleiyu.
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I think the only legit issues we face are pretty much attempts at more surveillance and the erosion of individual privacy and freedoms. Lots of tinfoily speculation in those areas, but also lots of proper evidence too.
A quick example is your average smartphone. If you're seen as a threat by the authorities, you're pretty much fucked. You can easily be tracked down, have your calls listened to and so on.
I think the problem though is not just the government, but the increasing technological advancements. If we're not careful, such technology can be a detriment rather than a benefit. Alas, we have indeed not being careful.
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AND we have a space alien in our midst. :zoinks:
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Did someone mention the prince of saiyans?
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http://www.familysecuritymatters.org/publications/detail/here-it-isthe-smoking-gun-and-agenda-21?f=energy (http://www.familysecuritymatters.org/publications/detail/here-it-isthe-smoking-gun-and-agenda-21?f=energy)
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http://www.familysecuritymatters.org/publications/detail/here-it-isthe-smoking-gun-and-agenda-21?f=energy (http://www.familysecuritymatters.org/publications/detail/here-it-isthe-smoking-gun-and-agenda-21?f=energy)
What do you expect from a very conservative site like that? Here is the other side from the opposite side Mother Jones http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2010/11/tea-party-agenda-21-un-sustainable-development (http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2010/11/tea-party-agenda-21-un-sustainable-development) Both sides have things that are true to a point but viewed from opposite sides of the spectrum. I would trust neither of them as an accurate source of unbiased information
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http://www.familysecuritymatters.org/publications/detail/here-it-isthe-smoking-gun-and-agenda-21?f=energy (http://www.familysecuritymatters.org/publications/detail/here-it-isthe-smoking-gun-and-agenda-21?f=energy)
What do you expect from a very conservative site like that? Here is the other side from the opposite side Mother Jones http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2010/11/tea-party-agenda-21-un-sustainable-development (http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2010/11/tea-party-agenda-21-un-sustainable-development) Both sides have things that are true to a point but viewed from opposite sides of the spectrum. I would trust neither of them as an accurate source of unbiased information
Agreed.
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http://www.familysecuritymatters.org/publications/detail/here-it-isthe-smoking-gun-and-agenda-21?f=energy (http://www.familysecuritymatters.org/publications/detail/here-it-isthe-smoking-gun-and-agenda-21?f=energy)
What do you expect from a very conservative site like that? Here is the other side from the opposite side Mother Jones http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2010/11/tea-party-agenda-21-un-sustainable-development (http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2010/11/tea-party-agenda-21-un-sustainable-development) Both sides have things that are true to a point but viewed from opposite sides of the spectrum. I would trust neither of them as an accurate source of unbiased information
I trust what I agree with, regardless of the political source. Anti-American ideas steering my country towards anti-American values? ATTACK. Just the way it is, man.
I read it by the way. It sounds like some whiny limp-wrist butthurt that so many americans oppose this obviously communistic design. ITT: fuck em. If they don't like this country, they can fuck off somewhere else. Or perhaps they can be a bit more reasonable, a little less socialist, and be willing to make some concessions. BIG ones. We don't have to make concessions about the structure and constitution of our OWN COUNTRY. It belongs to us, after all.
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The thing is to find out the truth for yourself. But the truth is, most people are lazy like me and would rather sit around all day farting into the couch. :P
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The thing is to find out the truth for yourself. But the truth is, most people are lazy like me and would rather sit around all day farting into the couch. :P
Do yourself and your family a favor and get some of these http://www.neatorama.com/2006/05/21/anti-fart-chair-pad/ (http://www.neatorama.com/2006/05/21/anti-fart-chair-pad/)
:P
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Anti-American ideas steering my country towards anti-American values? ATTACK. Just the way it is, man.
The people in the US I have nothing against, but the US itself? For the most part, it fucking sucks. I'd much prefer my national healthcare and other aspects that most European countries embrace. Your country is often false and tacky (particularly your TV). Your country's foreign policy is atrocious and to me, the most damning.
However, the recent developments like "Obamacare" is a welcome change, and is gradually showing how the US is maturing as a country. Next thing the US should do is to stop acting like they're the world police.
If I were to visit, It would mostly be for the food really. At least the food's awesome. The price of the dollar is brilliant too, which means I can get stuff MUCH cheaper from the US than buying it here.
If they don't like this country, they can fuck off somewhere else.
So what if they don't like it? I think they've a right to stay as much as you do. Kicking out people for having different views and opinions only really erodes personal liberties even further.
I don't subscribe to blind patriotism. I don't have to like my country in order to stay here, especially once I'm not committing crimes and contributing to society. In fact, I hate my country and most of it's inhabitants - but I have friends here, a family and an education to go through.
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http://www.familysecuritymatters.org/publications/detail/here-it-isthe-smoking-gun-and-agenda-21?f=energy (http://www.familysecuritymatters.org/publications/detail/here-it-isthe-smoking-gun-and-agenda-21?f=energy)
What do you expect from a very conservative site like that? Here is the other side from the opposite side Mother Jones http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2010/11/tea-party-agenda-21-un-sustainable-development (http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2010/11/tea-party-agenda-21-un-sustainable-development) Both sides have things that are true to a point but viewed from opposite sides of the spectrum. I would trust neither of them as an accurate source of unbiased information
I trust what I agree with, regardless of the political source. Anti-American ideas steering my country towards anti-American values? ATTACK. Just the way it is, man.
I read it by the way. It sounds like some whiny limp-wrist butthurt that so many americans oppose this obviously communistic design. ITT: fuck em. If they don't like this country, they can fuck off somewhere else. Or perhaps they can be a bit more reasonable, a little less socialist, and be willing to make some concessions. BIG ones. We don't have to make concessions about the structure and constitution of our OWN COUNTRY. It belongs to us, after all.
Well that's what you get at Mother Jones and if they read your source they would say something similar about those right wing wackos, using either as source material isn't the best move.
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Anti-American ideas steering my country towards anti-American values? ATTACK. Just the way it is, man.
The people in the US I have nothing against, but the US itself? For the most part, it fucking sucks. I'd much prefer my national healthcare and other aspects that most European countries embrace. Your country is often false and tacky (particularly your TV). Your country's foreign policy is atrocious and to me, the most damning.
However, the recent developments like "Obamacare" is a welcome change, and is gradually showing how the US is maturing as a country. Next thing the US should do is to stop acting like they're the world police.
If I were to visit, It would mostly be for the food really. At least the food's awesome. The price of the dollar is brilliant too, which means I can get stuff MUCH cheaper from the US than buying it here.
If they don't like this country, they can fuck off somewhere else.
So what if they don't like it? I think they've a right to stay as much as you do. Kicking out people for having different views and opinions only really erodes personal liberties even further.
I don't subscribe to blind patriotism. I don't have to like my country in order to stay here, especially once I'm not committing crimes and contributing to society. In fact, I hate my country and most of it's inhabitants - but I have friends here, a family and an education to go through.
"Its okay to turn America into another country"
Says the guy from another country. I loled, dude. Yeah, my country has some serious problems right now, and they're being made worse by the socialist agenda. Big government, is B-A-D for us.
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However, the recent developments like "Obamacare" is a welcome change, and is gradually showing how the US is maturing as a country.
Where is it? Where's my government healthcare option? Where's my Obamacare?
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Anti-American ideas steering my country towards anti-American values? ATTACK. Just the way it is, man.
The people in the US I have nothing against, but the US itself? For the most part, it fucking sucks. I'd much prefer my national healthcare and other aspects that most European countries embrace. Your country is often false and tacky (particularly your TV). Your country's foreign policy is atrocious and to me, the most damning.
However, the recent developments like "Obamacare" is a welcome change, and is gradually showing how the US is maturing as a country. Next thing the US should do is to stop acting like they're the world police.
If I were to visit, It would mostly be for the food really. At least the food's awesome. The price of the dollar is brilliant too, which means I can get stuff MUCH cheaper from the US than buying it here.
If they don't like this country, they can fuck off somewhere else.
So what if they don't like it? I think they've a right to stay as much as you do. Kicking out people for having different views and opinions only really erodes personal liberties even further.
I don't subscribe to blind patriotism. I don't have to like my country in order to stay here, especially once I'm not committing crimes and contributing to society. In fact, I hate my country and most of it's inhabitants - but I have friends here, a family and an education to go through.
Obamacare is not what you or many other think it is, it's NOT heath insurance it's a mandate that you buy heath insurance or get fined. Only full time people will be able to get it through work so a lot of places are only hiring part timers to get around the rules. Part time people have to get it on their own through insurance exchanges or get fined. All insurance companies have been raising their prices in anticipation of it. We get it through my wife's work and our cost is 600-800 a month for the family plan on your own it would be double or more. So how are all these part timer low wage types going to pay for that?
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Obamacare is not what you or many other think it is, it's NOT heath insurance it's a mandate that you buy heath insurance or get fined. Only full time people will be able to get it through work so a lot of places are only hiring part timers to get around the rules. Part time people have to get it on their own through insurance exchanges or get fined. All insurance companies have been raising their prices in anticipation of it. We get it through my wife's work and our cost is 600-800 a month for the family plan on your own it would be double or more. So how are all these part timer low wage types going to pay for that?
It's also killing a lot of small businesses, because they're now required to provide health insurance. Since the employer bears half the cost of premiums, they either can't afford it or they can only offer their employees crappy insurance policies that don't cover much more than what's paid in each year in monthly payments. It's crap.
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Where is it? Where's my government healthcare option? Where's my Obamacare?
Dude that is what I am saying. I have yet to feel the sting, of this so called mandate
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Obamacare is not what you or many other think it is, it's NOT heath insurance it's a mandate that you buy heath insurance or get fined. Only full time people will be able to get it through work so a lot of places are only hiring part timers to get around the rules. Part time people have to get it on their own through insurance exchanges or get fined. All insurance companies have been raising their prices in anticipation of it. We get it through my wife's work and our cost is 600-800 a month for the family plan on your own it would be double or more. So how are all these part timer low wage types going to pay for that?
It's also killing a lot of small businesses, because they're now required to provide health insurance. Since the employer bears half the cost of premiums, they either can't afford it or they can only offer their employees crappy insurance policies that don't cover much more than what's paid in each year in monthly payments. It's crap.
Businesses are getting a year extension on their end of it but individuals are not. Without a real public option like Canada it just will not work
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No one's going to get anything.
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No one's going to get anything.
I know. haha, oh well. I will still be going to the ER to see my dentist then, :prude:
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No one's going to get anything.
One good nugget that was in it is that your kids can stay on your insurance till they are 26 which is saving my son some money anyway
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Yes, that one was good for people who have/afford insurance.
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Businesses are getting a year extension on their end of it but individuals are not. Without a real public option like Canada it just will not work
Isn't the current Obamacare a stripped-down version of what he originally suggested?
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omg rage, Obama is not a fucking socialist
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Businesses are getting a year extension on their end of it but individuals are not. Without a real public option like Canada it just will not work
Isn't the current Obamacare a stripped-down version of what he originally suggested?
No, it isn't.
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omg rage, Obama is not a fucking socialist
I disagree.
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Anti-American ideas steering my country towards anti-American values? ATTACK. Just the way it is, man.
The people in the US I have nothing against, but the US itself? For the most part, it fucking sucks. I'd much prefer my national healthcare and other aspects that most European countries embrace. Your country is often false and tacky (particularly your TV). Your country's foreign policy is atrocious and to me, the most damning.
However, the recent developments like "Obamacare" is a welcome change, and is gradually showing how the US is maturing as a country. Next thing the US should do is to stop acting like they're the world police.
If I were to visit, It would mostly be for the food really. At least the food's awesome. The price of the dollar is brilliant too, which means I can get stuff MUCH cheaper from the US than buying it here.
If they don't like this country, they can fuck off somewhere else.
So what if they don't like it? I think they've a right to stay as much as you do. Kicking out people for having different views and opinions only really erodes personal liberties even further.
I don't subscribe to blind patriotism. I don't have to like my country in order to stay here, especially once I'm not committing crimes and contributing to society. In fact, I hate my country and most of it's inhabitants - but I have friends here, a family and an education to go through.
Obamacare is not what you or many other think it is, it's NOT heath insurance it's a mandate that you buy heath insurance or get fined. Only full time people will be able to get it through work so a lot of places are only hiring part timers to get around the rules. Part time people have to get it on their own through insurance exchanges or get fined. All insurance companies have been raising their prices in anticipation of it. We get it through my wife's work and our cost is 600-800 a month for the family plan on your own it would be double or more. So how are all these part timer low wage types going to pay for that?
Exactly. Its just another government power grab, and i'm sick of it. The government is enormous already.
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If you had an NHS then you wouldn't have to worry about the low wage workers not being able to afford their healthcare
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If you had an NHS then you wouldn't have to worry about the low wage workers not being able to afford their healthcare
If the government would go into the health insurance business, like Obama promised to do, then low wage workers could have an affordable insurance option.
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We've had about as close as the US comes to universal healthcare in Massachusetts for awhile. I think because of that, the way obamacare is impacting MA is sort of unique. I'm bracing myself for what it's going to do to my field (as is everyone else in healthcare, I'd imagine).
Obamamcare still seems like a very good idea in theory, which is being implemented shittily in practice.
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More states should start doing it on their own too.
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More states should start doing it on their own too.
It's a bit late for that as an alternative. :P
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More states should start doing it on their own too.
It's a bit late for that as an alternative. :P
Not really, considering nothing similar will come of the current path.
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More states should start doing it on their own too.
It's a bit late for that as an alternative. :P
Not really, considering nothing similar will come of the current path.
Yeah, but I think this is going to have to be rolled out and fail a whole bunch first, because it's so far into motion.
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Obamamcare still seems like a very good idea in theory, which is being implemented shittily in practice.
Explain.
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You should do *something* about your health care. As Michael Moore pointed out, Cuba has better health care than you, FFS.
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Cuba is an anomaly in many statistical groupings, even within racial statistics inside the US. There's not much the average person can do.
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Cuba is an anomaly in many statistical groupings, even within racial statistics inside the US. There's not much the average person can do.
it's an amusing anomaly, considering the last fifty years or so.
But the US is behind most Western countries when it comes to health care. Under your current system, around 50 million people are without any kind of health insurance but even those who have it are controlled by private firms who decide what kind of care you should get based not on medical reasons but on a simple profit/loss analysis.
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How is it amusing. Cuba is full of physicians, but their taxi drivers earn more money. Even within the US they're the one minority with the best health statistics. No on can explain Cuba. A large percentage of people without insurance in the US can afford it but choose not to have it, because young healthy people pay less for annual basic health needs than the cost of premiums. Though it's true, there's a set of people in the middle who really can't afford it but don't qualify for existing government healthcare programs. That's what Obama was to address, but hasn't.
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It is amusing because for years, the US pointed at Cuba as one of the bad guys and a communist state to boot.
Cuba is in no way the ideal state, and it's certainly not one I would like to live in, but why is it that a country like the United States cannot provide for proper health care for its citizens when Cuba can?
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That's where people keep getting it wrong. Healthcare can't be refused for monetary reasons in the US, and this includes people who aren't even citizens. Anyone who can pay is charged more to make up for the people who can't. This makes healthcare so expensive, that people in the middle are lost in a system which only really functions well for the haves and havenots. What Obama actually proposed during his first campaign could work; that's why people voted for him.
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I thought the current implementation was not fundamentally different from the one he proposed (and Hillary, for that matter). At least that was what someone said earlier.
But a lot of your citizens, even the ones who do have an insurance, are cared for based on monetary reasons, not medical ones. A buddy of mine who works at Eli Lily's confirms this, as do countless other reports I've read. Maybe they are all wrong, but if so, it's not what people are saying. :-\
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It makes me think of something butterflies once said to me. She had a mental image of ambulances speeding away from people with no insurance. I don't really know what Hillary proposed, but she did a good job with welfare reform, cutting the waste and opening the umbrella to include more people. People who have children can now get government care at a small cost when before they would have been stuck in that lower middle class hard spot. The same thing needs to be done for adults, and that's what oboma proposed, an affordable government health insurance option. No, there's currently nothing like that.
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I doubt ambulances flee from the people without an insurance, no, I just think that they won't actually be getting much more than the first-aid kit. I don't think they'd get a pacemaker or AIDS meds. And I know for a fact that people have been refused meds not on an insurance company's list of approved meds. I don't think you have to look further than the board for examples.
Now, I'm not saying that people here are getting all the meds they need, but I do think people here have a better chance of survival, generally speaking, and I have the statistics to back that up with.
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Over here we have Tory cunts selling off our NHS
Fucking Tories. They privatise everything except the fucking monarchy
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"No attempt at ethical or social seduction can eradicate from my heart a deep burning hatred for the Tory Party... So far as I am concerned they are lower than vermin."
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That's where people keep getting it wrong. Healthcare can't be refused for monetary reasons in the US, and this includes people who aren't even citizens. Anyone who can pay is charged more to make up for the people who can't. This makes healthcare so expensive, that people in the middle are lost in a system which only really functions well for the haves and havenots. What Obama actually proposed during his first campaign could work; that's why people voted for him.
Quite right. All of our lazy fat pieces of shit are making it hard on all of us.
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You should do *something* about your health care. As Michael Moore pointed out, Cuba has better health care than you, FFS.
Mr. Moore can claim the Earth is flat, and it would mean about just as much to me. You should maybe choose someone a lil more convincing than him, next time. :tard:
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Michael Moore isn't BRAVE. :thumbdn:
Some people here in Europe believe him just because his stance on guns. Weird, since he is dishonest there too.
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Michael Moore isn't BRAVE. :thumbdn:
Some people here in Europe believe him just because his stance on guns. Weird, since he is dishonest there too.
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Heh heh heh...
http://www.politico.com/story/2013/07/states-nullification-obama-94826.html (http://www.politico.com/story/2013/07/states-nullification-obama-94826.html)
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I'm not defending the US health care system. Pharmaceuticals are another discussion, but you probably know that. I'm responding your statement of, 'you should do something about your healthcare system'. What do you suggest I do, or any citizen do, when fed lies by those with the power of doing anything different?
Edit: To be fair to you, and honest with myself, I was also responding to the fact I'm annoyed when people compare Cuban statistics with anything.
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That's where people keep getting it wrong. Healthcare can't be refused for monetary reasons in the US, and this includes people who aren't even citizens. Anyone who can pay is charged more to make up for the people who can't. This makes healthcare so expensive, that people in the middle are lost in a system which only really functions well for the haves and havenots. What Obama actually proposed during his first campaign could work; that's why people voted for him.
Quite right. All of our lazy fat pieces of shit are making it hard on all of us.
Obama had a great dream. Not sure if he's a liar or sell out, but either way it doesn't matter anymore.
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That's where people keep getting it wrong. Healthcare can't be refused for monetary reasons in the US, and this includes people who aren't even citizens. Anyone who can pay is charged more to make up for the people who can't. This makes healthcare so expensive, that people in the middle are lost in a system which only really functions well for the haves and havenots. What Obama actually proposed during his first campaign could work; that's why people voted for him.
Quite right. All of our lazy fat pieces of shit are making it hard on all of us.
Obama had a great dream. Not sure if he's a liar or sell out, but either way it doesn't matter anymore.
I can't help but wonder what happened to everyone for Obama. People don't get elected into the presidency without a great deal of support from the existing governmental structure. What happened to all of the politicians who supported Obama and his dream? He's only a man with a microphone and can do nothing without their votes. I know what likely happed, because Obama's dream would have crushed the health insurance industry, stole all their customers; the government gets all that cash, not them. So the insurance companies dump some money into some very important pockets, and now the plan has changed to one which forgets about government health insurance. Then man with the microphone, I shouldn't be so harsh. Maybe he still really wants his dream. I don't know.
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Over here we have Tory cunts selling off our NHS
Fucking Tories. They privatise everything except the fucking monarchy
It's an inevitable backlash after the Tony years.
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You should do *something* about your health care. As Michael Moore pointed out, Cuba has better health care than you, FFS.
Mr. Moore can claim the Earth is flat, and it would mean about just as much to me. You should maybe choose someone a lil more convincing than him, next time. :tard:
In this case, he has the statistics to back his shit up with.
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I'm not defending the US health care system. Pharmaceuticals are another discussion, but you probably know that. I'm responding your statement of, 'you should do something about your healthcare system'. What do you suggest I do, or any citizen do, when fed lies by those with the power of doing anything different?
Edit: To be fair to you, and honest with myself, I was also responding to the fact I'm annoyed when people compare Cuban statistics with anything.
I do think that you (meaning your government) should implement something that a) provides basic health care to everyone and b) does it without private insurance companies deciding how profitable your life is. As things stand, you have some of the most advanced pharmaceutical companies in the world, with enough know-how and resources to cure just about anything, but with a system that ensures that only the wealthy can access them.
I don't have all the answers but there are plenty of examples of working systems elsewhere, from France to Cuba. They are not perfect, not by a long shot, but they do work.
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That's where people keep getting it wrong. Healthcare can't be refused for monetary reasons in the US, and this includes people who aren't even citizens. Anyone who can pay is charged more to make up for the people who can't. This makes healthcare so expensive, that people in the middle are lost in a system which only really functions well for the haves and havenots. What Obama actually proposed during his first campaign could work; that's why people voted for him.
Quite right. All of our lazy fat pieces of shit are making it hard on all of us.
Obama had a great dream. Not sure if he's a liar or sell out, but either way it doesn't matter anymore.
I can't help but wonder what happened to everyone for Obama. People don't get elected into the presidency without a great deal of support from the existing governmental structure. What happened to all of the politicians who supported Obama and his dream? He's only a man with a microphone and can do nothing without their votes. I know what likely happed, because Obama's dream would have crushed the health insurance industry, stole all their customers; the government gets all that cash, not them. So the insurance companies dump some money into some very important pockets, and now the plan has changed to one which forgets about government health insurance. Then man with the microphone, I shouldn't be so harsh. Maybe he still really wants his dream. I don't know.
I suspect he still wants it.
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I'm not defending the US health care system. Pharmaceuticals are another discussion, but you probably know that. I'm responding your statement of, 'you should do something about your healthcare system'. What do you suggest I do, or any citizen do, when fed lies by those with the power of doing anything different?
Edit: To be fair to you, and honest with myself, I was also responding to the fact I'm annoyed when people compare Cuban statistics with anything.
I do think that you (meaning your government) should implement something that a) provides basic health care to everyone and b) does it without private insurance companies deciding how profitable your life is. As things stand, you have some of the most advanced pharmaceutical companies in the world, with enough know-how and resources to cure just about anything, but with a system that ensures that only the wealthy can access them.
I don't have all the answers but there are plenty of examples of working systems elsewhere, from France to Cuba. They are not perfect, not by a long shot, but they do work.
The system in the US works, it simply doesn't well for everyone and could use improvement. Much the same could be said of various other systems. Those systems only have different problems. Stop bringing up Cuba; I refuse. Of course something should be done, and the people obviously want it done, that's why our country elected a man who said it would be done. Big pharma is its own entity, even within the confines of government health services it's a separate consideration. I know pharmaceuticals are a big part of health care, but it really is an entirely different topic. I like to think of corporate pharma in archetypal terms of the antichrist, as it truly embodies and represents every aspect of the demon savior. Hopefully we share this view and there's no need for you and I to analyze the abstract of evil, as apposed to actual government health plans which could use some tweaking to include the lower middle class.
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It works for some people, Jack, not for everyone.
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Did you read my first sentence?
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I don't see why it can't provide national healthcare similar to the NHS. Obamacare seems to be a step in the right direction, but why arse it up with it being insurance based? Surely it can be provided with taxation alone?
Over here they only give free healthcare depending on your financial status. If you've a bit of money, prepared for a world of pain in terms of costs. Even if you are poor, recent changes means that they have to pay for drug collection levies from chemists, dental appointments after so many visits a year etc.
Not to mention the healthcare here is atrocious (one of the lowest in Europe), with understaffed hospitals that are often really crowded, ill equipped and the number of them being too small (and getting smaller still due to the incompetent government giving a horribly small budget to healthcare) to serve the amount of people needed.
As much as people complain about the NHS over in the UK, it's a FAR better system. It's a shame to see the Tories trying to privatise it, especially with the amount of people who rely on it.
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The Swedish healthcare has been much better, but you still pay at most 1100 kronor for visits to a doctor and 1900 kronor for medication within a year. Dentist visits are more expensive. I should actually get it very cheap being an Aspie, but the authorities in town don't follow the law. Since I don't need a "support person" or crap like that I'm considered "too sane" to get really cheap dental care (about 100 kronor for everything within a year) although I'm on lifetime disability :thumbdn:
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I get it for free due to being on disability allowance, but the service is atrocious so I end up barely using it.
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Obamamcare still seems like a very good idea in theory, which is being implemented shittily in practice.
Explain.
Honestly, I need to do more research, myself (this is a time/energy issue on my part); I've more gotten the general impression that there's lots of cracks people are falling through. I think it is also going to vary state-by-state how it impact people. It may make Massachusetts shittier because we already *had* pretty good healthcare (though we tax the hell out of ourselves to get it); it seems likely to be becoming more expensive here for people who can't afford it to be, and I'm pretty sure managed care is going to become more heavily "managed" (services are already more difficult to get authorization for, though that may have happened over time anyway- all this healthcare is expensive, and the state's been badly overbudget for awhile. The stupidity of where it makes its cuts is a different issue but also an obnoxious one). It may, however, mean that my friends in neighboring states who haven't seen doctors in years actually start fucking getting the help they need, which would be fantastic.
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I agree with schleed. People complain about the NHS here, but we would never want to lose it - just improve it.
And the Tories are destroying it with little mention from the mainstream media. People are too fucking stupid to realise what's going on right under their noses as, like bodie said elsewhere, people pretty much view free healthcare as a right here. People who don't pay much attention and don't understand politics don't realise that that is under threat, because it's almost unimaginable to lose the NHS.
Remember bruce? (lol)
He was a prime example. Had no idea the NHS was even being changed, never mind sold off altogether.
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I will never stop opposing ways of making the government more powerful. I will never stop opposing the shitface federal government trying to force me to pay for the healthcare of someone who just sits on their ass and gets drunk all day.
NO.
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Until you need it yourself, that is. You would be grateful for not having to pay extortionate hospital bills.
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Until you need it yourself, that is. You would be grateful for not having to pay extortionate hospital bills.
I'd rather die than burden my fellow man. If I actually WAS disabled and needed disability, then fine. I'd take it. Otherwise, I can do things my goddamn self.
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Until you need it yourself, that is. You would be grateful for not having to pay extortionate hospital bills.
I'd rather die than burden my fellow man. If I actually WAS disabled and needed disability, then fine. I'd take it. Otherwise, I can do things my goddamn self.
So this is where you would turn for a bad appendix? http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20080305201022AA4PMhl (http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20080305201022AA4PMhl)
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Until you need it yourself, that is. You would be grateful for not having to pay extortionate hospital bills.
I'd rather die than burden my fellow man. If I actually WAS disabled and needed disability, then fine. I'd take it. Otherwise, I can do things my goddamn self.
So this is where you would turn for a bad appendix? http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20080305201022AA4PMhl (http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20080305201022AA4PMhl)
Nope. I'd rather put myself in debt than burden my fellow man. Personal responsibility.
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There was this Roman guy 2000 years ago, Cato the Younger. He fought Caesar. Ceasar wanted to show him mercy though, but he was so proud that he didn't want to accept that, so he cut himself in the stomach. His family asked their medicus to put his guts in place again and fix the wound, but then Cato pulled all his guts out and died immediately :viking:
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There was this Roman guy 2000 years ago, Cato the Younger. He fought Caesar. Ceasar wanted to show him mercy though, but he was so proud that he didn't want to accept that, so he cut himself in the stomach. His family asked their medicus to put his guts in place again and fix the wound, but then Cato pulled all his guts out and died immediately :viking:
Yep that's me. Although in my case its probably pride and stubbornness rather than nobility.
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Pride is blind. :zoinks:
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Pride is blind. :zoinks:
Personal responsibility, is not. I refuse to support actions which allow my fellow Americans to become a bunch of titty babies.
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Did you read my first sentence?
I did.
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I will never stop opposing ways of making the government more powerful. I will never stop opposing the shitface federal government trying to force me to pay for the healthcare of someone who just sits on their ass and gets drunk all day.
NO.
Because you magically know who is deserving and who isn't.
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Did you read my first sentence?
I did.
Good. We said the same thing. :)
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You didn't
odeon said it doesn't work for everyone
You said it works, just not very well for some people
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If it only works for some people, then it doesn't work
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Rage is the Antichrist, I am the false prophet. :orly:
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I will never stop opposing ways of making the government more powerful. I will never stop opposing the shitface federal government trying to force me to pay for the healthcare of someone who just sits on their ass and gets drunk all day.
NO.
Because you magically know who is deserving and who isn't.
I would put my life savings on the fact that I could do a better job of that than the fed.
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I bet my money that you would do a worse job.
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I would put my life savings on the fact that I could do a better job of that than the fed.
But then you would be 'the man', and would have to self-destruct.
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I will never stop opposing ways of making the government more powerful. I will never stop opposing the shitface federal government trying to force me to pay for the healthcare of someone who just sits on their ass and gets drunk all day.
NO.
Because you magically know who is deserving and who isn't.
It isn't really that hard. My shitstain cousin would count as undeserving. Having lived with him, I can see he would rather die in the streets than get a job. He is so lazy, he can't even go to bed without help. He got disability for self inflicted reasons. Drugs and being stabbed in the head because he was up to no god. This was his excuse for not remembering anything. He left cigarette butts all over. He always wanted to "borrow" money because he never had it. Yet, even though he had "no money" he would want to be taken to a bus stop so he could see friends. He admitted to dealing drugs and getting $1300 a week. "it was amazing." He said. Even so, he still collected his disability. What criminal will turn down free money? He lived in a house and had nice things, but got free medical and disability because he was a drug dealer who didn't have to pay taxes. This is not uncommon at all. He would act all helpless so whomever he stayed with would pamper his hairy ass.
I think welfare should be changed. Instead of money, give them food, shelter, clothing and basic health care. Nothing too cushy to make someone want to live like that for life. If we cut down to bare necessities as opposed to luxury money, more people can be helped and more would want to get a job to get nicer things and become tax payers.
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Just because you know someone who plays the system doesn't mean everybody who receives help does. Did you ever think of that?
If you truly cared about your lazy ass cousin being a mooch and undeserving of disability, then turn his ass in to social security.
They offer rewards, for information leading to someone abusing the situation
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Just because you know someone who plays the system doesn't mean everybody who receives help does. Did you ever think of that?
If you truly cared about your lazy ass cousin being a mooch and undeserving of disability, then turn his ass in to social security.
They offer rewards, for information leading to someone abusing the situation
I didn't say everyone does. You assumed that. He's in prison now. For life. I said those undeserving like self inflicted shit from drug abuse and general asshattery shouldn't get extra. Apparently your subconscious feel guilty.
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My subcontious is not feeling guilty. I get that when someone is in a conversation with boyfriend you feel like you need to stick up for him, but jesus. I'm sure your boyfriend can answer him self
Also the way you made it sound was as if your cousin was currently on disability pedeling drugs. you didn't mention he was in prison, so why you are worried about him being on it was really uncalled for because guess what? he isn't on it anymore.
I guess I wont get a significant other. I like to answer for myself, instead of having my dumb know it all internet date... Oh nevermind
I suspect a response from rage any day now
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You didn't
odeon said it doesn't work for everyone
You said it works, just not very well for some people
it simply doesn't well for everyone
I know what I said. I missed a word. :laugh:
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My subcontious is not feeling guilty. I get that when someone is in a conversation with boyfriend you feel like you need to stick up for him, but jesus. I'm sure your boyfriend can answer him self
I wasn't defending him. I was putting in my perspective. I don't agree with Rage 100%, but I do agree to an extent. Some of his views are too right wing. I am a centrist.
Also the way you made it sound was as if your cousin was currently on disability pedeling drugs. you didn't mention he was in prison, so why you are worried about him being on it was really uncalled for because guess what? he isn't on it anymore.
Did I? My mother tells me I get my tenses wrong at times. :tard:
I guess I wont get a significant other. I like to answer for myself, instead of having my dumb know it all internet date... Oh nevermind
I suspect a response from rage any day now
What you don't know about Rage and me is a lot. You also sound bitter.
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What I have seen from you here in this forum is agreeing with your boyfriend, and I'm sure if I go back and read other forums here I'll find the same thing. you agreeing with your boyfriend. That isn't being centrist
This is the problem with people trying judge others. You listen to one guys views, adopt it and then try to back up someone elses opinion with misleading information to make the point of view you are following seem like a matter of fact.
The slippery slope of determining if someone is eligiable, or even deserving of disability is best left up to people who are in places that can determine it. which means not some puppy love couple
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What I have seen from you here in this forum is agreeing with your boyfriend, and I'm sure if I go back and read other forums here I'll find the same thing. you agreeing with your boyfriend. That isn't being centrist
This is the problem with people trying judge others. You listen to one guys views, adopt it and then try to back up someone elses opinion with misleading information to make the point of view you are following seem like a matter of fact.
The slippery slope of determining if someone is eligiable, or even deserving of disability is best left up to people who are in places that can determine it. which means not some puppy love couple
Someone sounds bitter. :zoinks:
I have my own reasons for having my views. I will elaborate later.
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You already elaborated. your cousin was on disability, but now he isn't receiving it anymore because, he is in prison.
I'm not bitter. your interpreting it that way, what I am is this.
I dislike people on their high horse judging other people who receive disability. they shouldnt be harassed anymore than they already are, which as it turns out is quite a high volume.
First of all it doesn't fucking pay anything. so its not like someone who receives it is living high on the hog
Especially considering the cost of living today.
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You already elaborated. your cousin was on disability, but now he isn't receiving it anymore because, he is in prison.
I'm not bitter. your interpreting it that way, what I am is this.
I dislike people on their high horse judging other
people who receive disability. shouldnt be harassed anymore than they already are, which as it turns out is quite a high volume.
First of all it doesn't fucking pay anything. so its not like someone who receives it is living high on the hog
Especially considering the cost of living today.
There are ways to get around that, like selling drugs, committing robbery, etc.
What I have seen from you here in this forum is agreeing with your boyfriend, and I'm sure if I go back and read other forums here I'll find the same thing. you agreeing with your boyfriend. That isn't being centrist
This is the problem with people trying judge others. You listen to one guys views, adopt it and then try to back up someone elses opinion with misleading information to make the point of view you are following seem like a matter of fact.
The slippery slope of determining if someone is eligiable, or even deserving of disability is best left up to people who are in places that can determine it. which means not some puppy love couple
Ohh he jelly.
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You already elaborated. your cousin was on disability, but now he isn't receiving it anymore because, he is in prison.
I'm not bitter. your interpreting it that way, what I am is this.
I dislike people on their high horse judging other people who receive disability. they shouldnt be harassed anymore than they already are, which as it turns out is quite a high volume.
First of all it doesn't fucking pay anything. so its not like someone who receives it is living high on the hog
Especially considering the cost of living today.
No, I didn't. I had a headache which prompted me to finish my post quickly. I had a lot more to say. You should talk about passing judgment after you e diagnosed me and said pretty nasty things about myself and Rage. You also pass judgment on minorities and act all superior on here. You are butthurt, because you feel I am judging you. I wasn't. I don't know you irl like I know people I have met who actually are working the system.
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I judge assholes. because you deserve it, Lots of people here have trouble with sneaky bitches (which is what you did to me in that bodie topic) and I like pointing them out. I wouldn't judge you or whatever your mental state is if this wasn't the case. pull out the race card, every person of color does this. do you ever see a white person get into a argument and suddenly go, "your acting like that because I'm white!" fuck no. get over the color of your skin already, I am not butthurt but please keep on thinking that. What I am doing is pointing out the obvious, which is. you have no brain of your own, because you agree with whatever your boyfriend says
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I judge assholes. because you deserve it, Lots of people here have trouble with sneaky bitches (which is what you did to me in that bodie topic) and I like pointing them out. I wouldn't judge you or whatever your mental state is if this wasn't the case. pull out the race card, every person of color does this. do you ever see a white person get into a argument and suddenly go, "your acting like that because I'm white!" fuck no. get over the color of your skin already, I am not butthurt but please keep on thinking that. What I am doing is pointing out the obvious, which is. you have no brain of your own, because you agree with whatever your boyfriend says
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I judge assholes. because you deserve it, Lots of people here have trouble with sneaky bitches (which is what you did to me in that bodie topic) and I like pointing them out.
Wrong. You got butthurt because you tried to make me look dumb and it backfired. I was teasing you. I have a friend who is sensitive like you, so I stopped teasing him when I realized he thought I hated him. I felt bad he thought I was trying to be cruel. He is sensitive like you. And, like you, he sets himself up so easily the temptation to tease him is so strong.
I wouldn't judge you or whatever your mental state is if this wasn't the case. pull out the race card, every person of color does this.
It isn't "pulling out the race card" if it is indeed racism. You prattle on how you are 100% Pure White™. You judge people you seem to deem inferior. You act like some Taoist guru who has all the answers.
do you ever see a white person get into a argument and suddenly go, "your acting like that because I'm white!" fuck no. get over the color of your skin already, I am not butthurt but please keep on thinking that.
Yes, I have. Generally white nationalists do that lol.
What I am doing is pointing out the obvious, which is. you have no brain of your own, because you agree with whatever your boyfriend says
No I do not. We argue all the time via text message. You never "see" that, so in your mind I agree with everyfuckingthing. I don't. I ask for him to back up what he says. He has on some of them. You don't know jack about me.
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NO you are wrong. I have already explained this, YOU tried making me look foolish. and it backfired, why you keep compairing me to your friends I don't know, but its probably why you hang out online all day. you don't have any friends because they saw what a kiniving person you really are. So what if I prattle my skin color around? Why do you cry about it? who fucking cares. get over it, and I do have all the answers. For me, I don't care what you do with your boyfriend on the phone. the end result is always the same, you agreeing with his point of view. One only has to skim the topics here to see that. I know a lot about you, from your posting style. You act dumb on purpose here to ensare people into an argument to win because I'm guessing you don't win much arguments in real life
your probably under someones thumb and this temporarily makes you feel better about your real life situation.
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NO you are wrong. I have already explained this, YOU tried making me look foolish. and it backfired, why you keep compairing me to your friends I don't know, but its probably why you hang out online all day.
Your "loophole" didn't hold water. You brought up the "bodie thread" thing tonight in the first place. Truth is, you set yourself up easily. You couldn't do it anymore effectively if you went into a men's prison, put your panties tighty whities and shorts down to your ankles and bent over. :anal:
but its probably why you hang out online all day.
You are projecting again. I have an iPad and a smartphone. I also have class online. :tard:
you don't have any friends because they saw what a kiniving person you really are.
:hahaha: I do have many friends offline. More than you have offline and online combined.
So what if I prattle my skin color around? Why do you cry about it? who fucking cares. get over it, and I do have all the answers.
You do, apparently. If you didn't care about skin color, why mention it all the damn time?For me, I don't care what you d
o with your boyfriend on the phone. the end result is always the same, you agreeing with his point of view.
I don't agree with everything he says. I agree with some of it. Got proof to back up this claim?
One only has to skim the topics here to see that. I know a lot about you, from your posting style.
I know a lot about you from your posting style. ;)
You act dumb on purpose here to ensare people into an argument to win because I'm guessing you don't win much arguments in real life
I don't "act dumb" I just am too lazy to put much effort into what I do. I am working on this still.
I'm guessing you don't win much arguments in real life
You are projecting again.
I don't get into argument to "win". I will defend myself if someone is acting like a know it all dumbass trying to act like they know me better than they know myself.
your probably under someones thumb and this temporarily makes you feel better about your real life situation.
I have stated elsewhere that my mom is overbearing. I don't hide things. You don't know diddly squat about my real life situation. I have much to look forward to. You are being an asshole, again.
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Rage is the Antichrist, I am the false prophet. :orly:
Actually you feel mostly like an echo of him, lately. :P
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I will never stop opposing ways of making the government more powerful. I will never stop opposing the shitface federal government trying to force me to pay for the healthcare of someone who just sits on their ass and gets drunk all day.
NO.
Because you magically know who is deserving and who isn't.
I would put my life savings on the fact that I could do a better job of that than the fed.
You'd have to survive in the streets.
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Rage is the Antichrist, I am the false prophet. :orly:
Actually you feel mostly like an echo of him, lately. :P
Possibly. :apondering:
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I judge assholes. because you deserve it, Lots of people here have trouble with sneaky bitches (which is what you did to me in that bodie topic) and I like pointing them out.
Wrong. You got butthurt because you tried to make me look dumb and it backfired. I was teasing you. I have a friend who is sensitive like you, so I stopped teasing him when I realized he thought I hated him. I felt bad he thought I was trying to be cruel. He is sensitive like you. And, like you, he sets himself up so easily the temptation to tease him is so strong.
I wouldn't judge you or whatever your mental state is if this wasn't the case. pull out the race card, every person of color does this.
It isn't "pulling out the race card" if it is indeed racism. You prattle on how you are 100% Pure White™. You judge people you seem to deem inferior. You act like some Taoist guru who has all the answers.
do you ever see a white person get into a argument and suddenly go, "your acting like that because I'm white!" fuck no. get over the color of your skin already, I am not butthurt but please keep on thinking that.
Yes, I have. Generally white nationalists do that lol.
What I am doing is pointing out the obvious, which is. you have no brain of your own, because you agree with whatever your boyfriend says
No I do not. We argue all the time via text message. You never "see" that, so in your mind I agree with everyfuckingthing. I don't. I ask for him to back up what he says. He has on some of them. You don't know jack about me.
Only what you two show here, but here, I think Richard has a point. You defend each other all the time, to the point where it hurts you both. See Rage's crybaby post, above, for a case in point.
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I judge assholes. because you deserve it, Lots of people here have trouble with sneaky bitches (which is what you did to me in that bodie topic) and I like pointing them out.
Wrong. You got butthurt because you tried to make me look dumb and it backfired. I was teasing you. I have a friend who is sensitive like you, so I stopped teasing him when I realized he thought I hated him. I felt bad he thought I was trying to be cruel. He is sensitive like you. And, like you, he sets himself up so easily the temptation to tease him is so strong.
I wouldn't judge you or whatever your mental state is if this wasn't the case. pull out the race card, every person of color does this.
It isn't "pulling out the race card" if it is indeed racism. You prattle on how you are 100% Pure White™. You judge people you seem to deem inferior. You act like some Taoist guru who has all the answers.
do you ever see a white person get into a argument and suddenly go, "your acting like that because I'm white!" fuck no. get over the color of your skin already, I am not butthurt but please keep on thinking that.
Yes, I have. Generally white nationalists do that lol.
What I am doing is pointing out the obvious, which is. you have no brain of your own, because you agree with whatever your boyfriend says
No I do not. We argue all the time via text message. You never "see" that, so in your mind I agree with everyfuckingthing. I don't. I ask for him to back up what he says. He has on some of them. You don't know jack about me.
Only what you two show here, but here, I think Richard has a point. You defend each other all the time, to the point where it hurts you both. See Rage's crybaby post, above, for a case in point.
I don't view it as defending him. He does defend me, though. If someone is wrong about something, I will say it. Rage doesn't seem to know how to say what he thinks without sounding so harsh. It is an inability to understand what Rage means and his inability to get his point across without angering people. I don't always get what he tells me. I tend to confuse people too. Especially if I have s lot to say with little time. I leave out chunks or forget the correct wording. I have a friend with paraphasia. I am not as bad as him, but I have his frustrating moments too, occasionally. Just not nearly as frequently as he does. He is lower functioning and has meltdowns constantly because he wants to say the correct word for what he is thinking but can't.
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I'm only telling you what I see here. I don't know either of you, of course, but suspect you would be quite different IRL.
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I'm only telling you what I see here. I don't know either of you, of course, but suspect you would be quite different IRL.
Well he rubbed off on me. :P
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I'm only telling you what I see here. I don't know either of you, of course, but suspect you would be quite different IRL.
Well he rubbed off on me. :P
That sounds vaguely pervy.
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It really does seem DFG is rages lapdog. It's also funny that they think people are envious of their relationship, like it actually means something.
Stop being a tag team of lickarses, and come up with proper arguments for once. :orly:
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It really does seem DFG is rages lapdog. It's also funny that they think people are envious of their relationship, like it actually means something.
Stop being a tag team of lickarses, and come up with proper arguments for once. :orly:
Like your taunts are any more " original". :orly:
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So I'm not going to give you any examples of why I say anything because obviously, everyone else can see it too
I like being white. I love talking about niggers, so what? I know niggers love hating on white people, and the simple fact that every fucking skin color has a pride month, or holiday. exept white people gives me all the opportunity to love my race. If that bothers you then guess what? I don't care.
You cant fool me because everything I say about you, usually ends up to be true duckgirl. Nobody here cares about your relationship with someone who lives thousands of miles away from you.
And I suspect when rage finally does end up meeting you, if you can ever get stable he's going to kick himself in the fucking ass for ever wanting anyting to do with you. but in the meantime you be his jelly to his angry peanut butter.
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I will never stop opposing ways of making the government more powerful. I will never stop opposing the shitface federal government trying to force me to pay for the healthcare of someone who just sits on their ass and gets drunk all day.
NO.
Because you magically know who is deserving and who isn't.
I would put my life savings on the fact that I could do a better job of that than the fed.
You'd have to survive in the streets.
I'd do just fine, because i'd be willing to put forth the effort required. ;)
So I'm not going to give you any examples of why I say anything because obviously, everyone else can see it too
I like being white. I love talking about niggers, so what? I know niggers love hating on white people, and the simple fact that every fucking skin color has a pride month, or holiday. exept white people gives me all the opportunity to love my race. If that bothers you then guess what? I don't care.
You cant fool me because everything I say about you, usually ends up to be true duckgirl. Nobody here cares about your relationship with someone who lives thousands of miles away from you.
And I suspect when rage finally does end up meeting you, if you can ever get stable he's going to kick himself in the fucking ass for ever wanting anyting to do with you. but in the meantime you be his jelly to his angry peanut butter.
If nobody cares, why do you mention it in EVERY SINGLE POST? :dunno:
It really does seem DFG is rages lapdog. It's also funny that they think people are envious of their relationship, like it actually means something.
Stop being a tag team of lickarses, and come up with proper arguments for once. :orly:
That jelly was delicious.
I judge assholes. because you deserve it, Lots of people here have trouble with sneaky bitches (which is what you did to me in that bodie topic) and I like pointing them out.
Wrong. You got butthurt because you tried to make me look dumb and it backfired. I was teasing you. I have a friend who is sensitive like you, so I stopped teasing him when I realized he thought I hated him. I felt bad he thought I was trying to be cruel. He is sensitive like you. And, like you, he sets himself up so easily the temptation to tease him is so strong.
I wouldn't judge you or whatever your mental state is if this wasn't the case. pull out the race card, every person of color does this.
It isn't "pulling out the race card" if it is indeed racism. You prattle on how you are 100% Pure White™. You judge people you seem to deem inferior. You act like some Taoist guru who has all the answers.
do you ever see a white person get into a argument and suddenly go, "your acting like that because I'm white!" fuck no. get over the color of your skin already, I am not butthurt but please keep on thinking that.
Yes, I have. Generally white nationalists do that lol.
What I am doing is pointing out the obvious, which is. you have no brain of your own, because you agree with whatever your boyfriend says
No I do not. We argue all the time via text message. You never "see" that, so in your mind I agree with everyfuckingthing. I don't. I ask for him to back up what he says. He has on some of them. You don't know jack about me.
Only what you two show here, but here, I think Richard has a point. You defend each other all the time, to the point where it hurts you both. See Rage's crybaby post, above, for a case in point.
I don't view it as defending him. He does defend me, though. If someone is wrong about something, I will say it. Rage doesn't seem to know how to say what he thinks without sounding so harsh. It is an inability to understand what Rage means and his inability to get his point across without angering people. I don't always get what he tells me. I tend to confuse people too. Especially if I have s lot to say with little time. I leave out chunks or forget the correct wording. I have a friend with paraphasia. I am not as bad as him, but I have his frustrating moments too, occasionally. Just not nearly as frequently as he does. He is lower functioning and has meltdowns constantly because he wants to say the correct word for what he is thinking but can't.
Don't try, babelet. They're just faggots and they'll never be as mature or understanding as you. I talk a little rough, so i'm the devil to them. Let it be.
NO you are wrong. I have already explained this, YOU tried making me look foolish. and it backfired, why you keep compairing me to your friends I don't know, but its probably why you hang out online all day. you don't have any friends because they saw what a kiniving person you really are. So what if I prattle my skin color around? Why do you cry about it? who fucking cares. get over it, and I do have all the answers. For me, I don't care what you do with your boyfriend on the phone. the end result is always the same, you agreeing with his point of view. One only has to skim the topics here to see that. I know a lot about you, from your posting style. You act dumb on purpose here to ensare people into an argument to win because I'm guessing you don't win much arguments in real life
your probably under someones thumb and this temporarily makes you feel better about your real life situation.
Heaven forbid someone agree with something they agree with. And ONCE AGAIN WE HAVE:
I don't care what you do with your boyfriend on the phone
your boyfriend
I mean -every- post. You jelly she has a cute bf, bro?
I judge assholes. because you deserve it, Lots of people here have trouble with sneaky bitches (which is what you did to me in that bodie topic) and I like pointing them out.
Wrong. You got butthurt because you tried to make me look dumb and it backfired. I was teasing you. I have a friend who is sensitive like you, so I stopped teasing him when I realized he thought I hated him. I felt bad he thought I was trying to be cruel. He is sensitive like you. And, like you, he sets himself up so easily the temptation to tease him is so strong.
I wouldn't judge you or whatever your mental state is if this wasn't the case. pull out the race card, every person of color does this.
It isn't "pulling out the race card" if it is indeed racism. You prattle on how you are 100% Pure White™. You judge people you seem to deem inferior. You act like some Taoist guru who has all the answers.
do you ever see a white person get into a argument and suddenly go, "your acting like that because I'm white!" fuck no. get over the color of your skin already, I am not butthurt but please keep on thinking that.
Yes, I have. Generally white nationalists do that lol.
What I am doing is pointing out the obvious, which is. you have no brain of your own, because you agree with whatever your boyfriend says
No I do not. We argue all the time via text message. You never "see" that, so in your mind I agree with everyfuckingthing. I don't. I ask for him to back up what he says. He has on some of them. You don't know jack about me.
Only what you two show here, but here, I think Richard has a point. You defend each other all the time, to the point where it hurts you both. See Rage's crybaby post, above, for a case in point.
I laughed out loud. Hard. Oh man it really discredits me when I call a crybaby a crybaby. Especially when I dare to be me. Odeon, the rest of you make posts like that all the time, and jack each other's karma off in little circlejerks, patting each other on the back while ganging up on people, just like you're doing to me right now. But its okay when you do it. When I do it, its rude and cruel.
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Fags.
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That jelly was delicious.
...I don't think that works on me. :zoinks:
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That jelly was delicious.
...I don't think that works on me. :zoinks:
Licking ass doesn't work so well on me either, you deviant. ;)
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Why do I mention it in every single post? because her following you around here is relevant.
If she would have her own ideas, and this wasn't the case I wouldn't be mentioning how nobody cares about you guys dating
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Why do I mention it in every single post? because her following you around here is relevant.
If she would have her own ideas, and this wasn't the case I wouldn't be mentioning how nobody cares about you guys dating
It wouldn't be relevant unless you had negative feelings about it and could not contain your jealousy and/or anger about it.
If she would have her own ideas
Oh shut the fuck up, Richard. Shes even more idealistic and opinionated than me, shes just not as much of a loudmouth. You understand nothing about that woman. In fact many of my ideas and shit like that come from long talks with her. You think yourself progressive and trendy or something, but you openly expose your racist and mysoginist nature constantly. You're a fucking idiot.
mentioning how nobody cares about you guys dating
I'll say it again, you sure as hell seem to.
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Ok. well since it seems to be bothering you, I'll try to leave the "you guys are dating" out of it. I truly don't care but you can think I do
I don't think anything of myself. my posts are a refelction of what I see happening, nothing more
I am racist. if loving my race makes me one, then fine. Just because the news media has painted everybody with a broad brush stroke as such who happens to be white, and proud isn't my problem. I'm also no mysoginist, I love women. I love talking to women, and I occasionally masturbate to adams picture, ;)
Just because I have an argument with the duck doesn't mean I am a woman hater
I happen to think everyone on planet earth is a fucking idiot at one point or another, so that I will agree with
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Ok. well since it seems to be bothering you, I'll try to leave the "you guys are dating" out of it. I truly don't care but you can think I do
I don't think anything of myself. my posts are a refelction of what I see happening, nothing more
I am racist. if loving my race makes me one, then fine. Just because the news media has painted everybody with a broad brush stroke as such who happens to be white, and proud isn't my problem. I'm also no mysoginist, I love women. I love talking to women, and I occasionally masturbate to adams picture, ;)
Just because I have an argument with the duck doesn't mean I am a woman hater
I happen to think everyone on planet earth is a fucking idiot at one point or another, so that I will agree with
No. The fact that you imply I have some kind of control over her behavior because I am male is mysoginist.
Just because the news media has painted everybody with a broad brush stroke as such who happens to be white
That's not what I imply. (In fact, I fucking HATE THAT. It promotes racism, and Eric holder is a huge proponent!) I am also proud to be who I am, a white male. Everyone should be just fine with who they are, in my opinion. And I don't think that is racist in any way, shape, or form. I was just pointing out that you brought up racism recently, and that's dumb, since you say things like niggers and spic all the time, like I do. Don't be a hypocrite man.
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Pride is blind. :zoinks:
Personal responsibility, is not. I refuse to support actions which allow my fellow Americans to become a bunch of titty babies.
Isn't it impossible to force personal responsibility on someone else?
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Pride is blind. :zoinks:
Personal responsibility, is not. I refuse to support actions which allow my fellow Americans to become a bunch of titty babies.
Isn't it impossible to force personal responsibility on someone else?
Apparently not. A large and growing number has been getting away with it for several generations.
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I bet my money that you would do a worse job.
It depends on which "Fed" he's referring to. If he means 'federal reserve bank', he's right. Anyone can do better than the federal reserve.
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I bet my money that you would do a worse job.
It depends on which "Fed" he's referring to. If he means 'federal reserve bank', he's right. Anyone can do better than the federal reserve.
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Indeed. The federal reserve is of particular embarrassment to the quality of human character, but I was referring to the federal government of the Unites States. It has gotten to the point that just about everything in it is driven by the agenda of the wealthy, or one of perhaps seven different banking cartels.
Yes, I could do a better job, because I actually give a shit about you.
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Don't try, babelet. They're just faggots and they'll never be as mature or understanding as you. I talk a little rough, so i'm the devil to them. Let it be.
This is sig material.
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Don't try, babelet. They're just faggots and they'll never be as mature or understanding as you. I talk a little rough, so i'm the devil to them. Let it be.
This is sig material.
I like how you try to discount what I say by applying your emotions to it.
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Don't try, babelet. They're just faggots and they'll never be as mature or understanding as you. I talk a little rough, so i'm the devil to them. Let it be.
This is sig material.
I like how you try to discount what I say by applying your emotions to it.
You can't deny that it is sickeningly sweet. :)
And spot-on.
Why do I mention it in every single post? because her following you around here is relevant.
If she would have her own ideas, and this wasn't the case I wouldn't be mentioning how nobody cares about you guys dating
Generally people who are compatible enough to date have similar ideas. They may not be identical, but it would be difficult to date someone who had completely opposing opinions and values than you hold.
Also, you're an ass.
If you have a problem with a specific thing someone has said, then deal with that point directly. If you feel butthurt by the doubleteaming, then that's your issue, not theirs.
I love how people feel the need to put others' relationships under a microscope. Here's a thought: fuck off. Mind your own damn business. Address specifics, not the minute details of the relationships of those behind the ideas. If you have to resort to this then you haven't adequately defended your own position.
Also also, being a racist fuck is not a badge of honor. It makes you an ignorant, small minded, hateful douche that nobody likes to be associated with. I believe you are not currently working or seeking work, am I correct? You seem perfectly capable from where I'm sitting. If you can post on a forum you can perform data entry, office work, etc. If you are able-bodied you could work in other fields.
Sometimes people nitpick at others when they are trying to deflect attention away from their own failings.
You can choose to grow or you can choose to stagnate. You have chosen stagnation, and for that you have my pity.
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Shut the fuck up you nosey nelly. I don't need some third party to tell me how a relationship works when there's is falling apart.
Way to go
Also, I can be racist all I want. The media has groomed the general public into thinking love of ones race is being a racist.
Overall, I wish people would keep their two cents to themselves. Not only is it not wise to get in someone elses argument, it makes no sense when the things you speak of (relationship wise) you cant even make work.
dumbass
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Shut the fuck up you nosey nelly. I don't need some third party to tell me how a relationship works when there's is falling apart.
Way to go
Also, I can be racist all I want. The media has groomed the general public into thinking love of ones race is being a racist.
Overall, I wish people would keep their two cents to themselves. Not only is it not wise to get in someone elses argument, it makes no sense when the things you speak of (relationship wise) you cant even make work.
dumbass
LOL, thanks Richard. Very insightful. Way to address any point I made.
Where do you get that their relationship is falling apart? And why the fuck do you even care one way or the other? I wasn't aware that you are a member of the Relationship Police.
By definition, racism is the preferential treatment or elevated opinion of one race or races over the another. So loving one's race more than others is racist.
I have a perfectly wonderful relationship, thank you very much. ;) And my ex and I are best friends. How is yours going? Oh, wait, you don't have one because you're an ass. So suck on that fuckwit.
What is unwise is to get in over your head when arguing with someone. Not my fault you don't have the mental chops to make a decent case for yourself. Not that you could even if you did have the chops. Tell ya what, why don't you get off of your ass for a bit and go do something productive. Then we can talk.
Telling me to "shoo" or flinging baseless personal attacks at me will not make me go away. A moron you like you can't hurt my widdle feelings. This is a message board genius, an open forum. Not a private conversation. If you can't take the heat, then by all means, fuck off.
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Good luck trying to convince Richard of anything morally just, or insightful. He just does what he sees everyone else doing, much the way one of those little dancing monkeys at the circus does.
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He just does what he sees everyone else doing, much the way one of those little dancing monkeys at the circus does.
I thought he was being bashed for being racist. Is everyone here racist?
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I don't care about their relationship. I was talking about your relationship, its falling apart isn't it?
So you want to tell me how relationships work? what's that again?
That's good being broken up you are good friends, but all I hear is two penny's dropping. your jumping right in on here to make this conversation I was having with someone else makes me think you want attention. The matter between us was settled, and you would know that but you didn't because it was none of your fucking business. That's what happens when you jump into someone elses argument, you don't know what is going on
Getting in over my head? hardly. I'll tell you what sucks, having to catch up some attenwhore on the situation. and then get in a completly pointless argument with them, because they think the fucking world revolves around them. it doesn't sweetie pie, maybe its best you go back to flirting with that loser skyblue on here, instead of making someone elses problem, yours. you fucking idiot
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By definition, racism is the preferential treatment or elevated opinion of one race or races over the another. So loving one's race more than others is racist.
Someone needs to remind the politically correct fucktards this, considering ironically they elevate the minorities status with policies like affirmative action and thereby commit discrimination in itself.
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He just does what he sees everyone else doing, much the way one of those little dancing monkeys at the circus does.
I thought he was being bashed for being racist. Is everyone here racist?
He's bashed for just about everything, because he's an ass. Why are you also targeting me all of the sudden?
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No, everyone here is not racist. That little foible is all Richard.
I can't resist the urge to beat some sense into the guy. He's capable of being more than he is. Plus, it is guys like him that perpetuate the stereotypes about us. We're not infirm, we're not ignorant, we're not hopeless. DON'T BE HOPELESS, RICHARD!!! Pick yourself up off your ass and stop being such a moron.
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By definition, racism is the preferential treatment or elevated opinion of one race or races over the another. So loving one's race more than others is racist.
Someone needs to remind the politically correct fucktards this, considering ironically they elevate the minorities status with policies like affirmative action and thereby commit discrimination in itself.
:plus:
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By definition, racism is the preferential treatment or elevated opinion of one race or races over the another. So loving one's race more than others is racist.
Someone needs to remind the politically correct fucktards this, considering ironically they elevate the minorities status with policies like affirmative action and thereby commit discrimination in itself.
I get that these policies were meant to level the playing field, but it has in fact done the opposite.
For a white male finding employment or gaining entrance to a university is a monumental task. I believe that single fathers aren't given the same aid and tax breaks as single mothers (don't quote me on that, though, as I'm not entirely certain).
And yet women are still paid less than men for the same work. So these policies haven't even done what they were meant to do.
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By definition, racism is the preferential treatment or elevated opinion of one race or races over the another. So loving one's race more than others is racist.
Someone needs to remind the politically correct fucktards this, considering ironically they elevate the minorities status with policies like affirmative action and thereby commit discrimination in itself.
:plus:
Yeah, kind of like how we're super sensitive about disabled people to the point that we give disability status to those that don't deserve it and are perfectly able to work. Wouldn't want to make them feel bad, would we? Or if someone is just too lazy to work, they can stay on benefits indefinitely, even if they're capable yet unwilling to seek employment.
It has gone way too far. I'd say that is insulting to those who are actually disabled, and pretty damn condescending and coddling, to those who are able to work.
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By definition, racism is the preferential treatment or elevated opinion of one race or races over the another. So loving one's race more than others is racist.
Someone needs to remind the politically correct fucktards this, considering ironically they elevate the minorities status with policies like affirmative action and thereby commit discrimination in itself.
You mean someone needs to remind THESE ASSHOLES!
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(http://memeguy.com/photos/thumbs/racist-al-sharpton-23922.jpg)
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Tell us more Aspiemomma. God I really despise people who think they are Judge, Jury and Executioner.
Get a fucking grip already, I'm sure you have more to do with your time than worry about someone else
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By definition, racism is the preferential treatment or elevated opinion of one race or races over the another. So loving one's race more than others is racist.
Someone needs to remind the politically correct fucktards this, considering ironically they elevate the minorities status with policies like affirmative action and thereby commit discrimination in itself.
:plus:
Yeah, kind of like how we're super sensitive about disabled people to the point that we give disability status to those that don't deserve it and are perfectly able to work. Wouldn't want to make them feel bad, would we? Or if someone is just too lazy to work, they can stay on benefits indefinitely, even if they're capable yet unwilling to seek employment.
It has gone way too far. I'd say that is insulting to those who are actually disabled, and pretty damn condescending and coddling, to those who are able to work.
Watch out, there. I've tried to say that too, and people told me I made them sick.
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By definition, racism is the preferential treatment or elevated opinion of one race or races over the another. So loving one's race more than others is racist.
Someone needs to remind the politically correct fucktards this, considering ironically they elevate the minorities status with policies like affirmative action and thereby commit discrimination in itself.
:plus:
Yeah, kind of like how we're super sensitive about disabled people to the point that we give disability status to those that don't deserve it and are perfectly able to work. Wouldn't want to make them feel bad, would we? Or if someone is just too lazy to work, they can stay on benefits indefinitely, even if they're capable yet unwilling to seek employment.
It has gone way too far. I'd say that is insulting to those who are actually disabled, and pretty damn condescending and coddling, to those who are able to work.
Watch out, there. I've tried to say that too, and people told me I made them sick.
I'm perfectly content to cause a little illness if it makes people think about the impact of their life choices on others.
It fucks with all of us.
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Tell us more. God I really despise people, who think they are Judge, Jury and Executioner.
Get a fucking grip already, I'm sure you have more to do with your time than worry about someone else
That's pretty close, Richard. Let me help you a bit.
people, who think they are Judge, Jury and Executioner
Yes, they do. Because...
The people. Judge, Jury and Executioner.
The people
We, the people.
Correct.
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So tell me Aspiemomma, what impacts does someone on Disabilty make in your everyday life?
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So tell me Aspiemomma, what impacts does someone on Disabilty make in your everyday life?
There are people worse off than you are who dont qualifify for disability, you selfish lazy fuck! A lot of people who should be on get turned down. So they struggle, so little shits like you can buy shiny rocks. Which was the reason behindme saying that only necessities should be offered, not luxuries like your faerie poop.
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And we have a winner. Well, maybe since you are so great at determining if someone is worthy of disability, you should quit your job making paper meche turkeys for your online class. Until then, you and everyone else might as well bend over, spread your cheeks and start using your ass as your primary language recipical.
because, basically. you don't know shit
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So tell me Aspiemomma, what impacts does someone on Disabilty make in your everyday life?
There are people worse off than you are who dont qualifify for disability, you selfish lazy fuck! A lot of people who should be on get turned down. So they struggle, so little shits like you can buy shiny rocks. Which was the reason behindme saying that only necessities should be offered, not luxuries like your faerie poop.
(http://media2.giphy.com/media/S3Ot3hZ5bcy8o/giphy.gif)
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And we have a winner. Well, maybe since you are so great at determining if someone is worthy of disability, you should quit your job making paper meche turkeys for your online class. Until then, you and everyone else might as well bend over, spread your cheeks and start using your ass as your primary language recipical.
because, basically. you don't know shit
There isn't enough to go around. What the fuck is your " disability" oh superior one.
Why should you hoard the meager resources to help the needy? I thought you had " all the answers ". :
:tard:
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And we have a winner. Well, maybe since you are so great at determining if someone is worthy of disability, you should quit your job making paper meche turkeys for your online class. Until then, you and everyone else might as well bend over, spread your cheeks and start using your ass as your primary language recipical.
because, basically. you don't know shit
At least she does something, faggot.
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How she gonna be a baby momma making paper turkeys for D list films poppa bear?
Do you have time to mess around with someone chasing their dreams instead of making a decent income?
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How she gonna be a baby momma making paper turkeys for D list films poppa bear?
Do you have time to mess around with someone chasing their dreams instead of making a decent income?
I certainly do. Her dreams are important to me. Not that you could understand such a thing, Richard. You're just an overgrown child, sitting around all day, occasionally drunk. That is your life.
(don't get personal with me, or I will give right back)
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No that isn't my life. but you may choose to believe whatever, if you don't want people getting "personal" then don't make it relatively made available for all. I get told that a lot on this forum, [Its a public forum] If you don't want people to comment on your relationship status and possibly use it in a negative way, that isn't my problem.
Its yours. And you can thank Aspiemomma for tearing off the Band Aid. I was more than willing to put the past behind me, and Did.
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No that isn't my life. but you may choose to believe whatever, if you don't want people getting "personal" then don't make it relatively made available for all. I get told that a lot on this forum, [Its a public forum] If you don't want people to comment on your relationship status and possibly use it in a negative way, that isn't my problem.
Its yours. And you can thank Aspiemomma for tearing off the Band Aid. I was more than willing to put the past behind me, and Did.
You're the one constantly jabbing at people, Richard. You don't even know what the fuck you're talking about, most of the time. You're just arguing, following the flow.
if you don't want people getting "personal"
I can get a lot more personal than you can. Try me. Call it a contest eh?
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How she gonna be a baby momma making paper turkeys for D list films poppa bear?
Do you have time to mess around with someone chasing their dreams instead of making a decent income?
I made quite a lot more than a "paper turkey". I have an entire portfolio. I showed it to Rage. Ypou'll be eating your words soon enough. I plan on revealing my name publicly in the future. I have a ways to go before doing that.
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There is no contest. this isn't a pissing match, rage. But of course if someone says something to me I'm going to respond.
boy I feel like I'm on the school playground. :yawn:
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There is no contest. this isn't a pissing match, rage. But of course if someone says something to me I'm going to respond.
boy I feel like I'm on the school playground. :yawn:
Stop acting like a schoolyard bully then, coward. Also lose the air of superiority. Who knows, you might make a real friend.
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There is no contest. this isn't a pissing match, rage. But of course if someone says something to me I'm going to respond.
boy I feel like I'm on the school playground. :yawn:
Its always the fucking school playground when you're involved, you little punk. I'm asking you to back up your shit. You think you can mess around with someone's personal information? Try it with me, tough guy. I could expose your entire life.
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personal information? everything I have said here has been posted on this public forum. I didn't hack into your PM's or get any information out of your girlfriend. She told people here what she does
And expose my entire life? well considering my own mother has seen my porn videos I don't think there's much you could expose.
Unless of course, it some conspiracy theory
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personal information? everything I have said here has been posted on this public forum. I didn't hack into your PM's or get any information out of your girlfriend. She told people here what she does
And expose my entire life? well considering my own mother has seen my porn videos I don't think there's much you could expose.
Unless of course, it some conspiracy theory
I don't give a shit if its on a public forum. You know better than to use details about how she lives her life as an insult. Don't play stupid, Richard. I'm asking you, do you want to play with me, or not?
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To be truthful, I'm not really interested in fighting with you or your girlfriend. This all happened because of someone else's involvement in the situation. Frankly the situation is a dead horse, and maybe I should have chosen to just ignore it.
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Not 'mingling in' this bullshit but what I find remarkable that you, rageyb, point your finger towards others, saying he or she is doing such and such, whilst it's pretty obvious you do the exact same thing you claim they are doing.
That's like schizophrenia, dude. Man, you seriously lack insight of yourself.
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:santa:
To be truthful, I'm not really interested in fighting with you or your girlfriend. This all happened because of someone else's involvement in the situation. Frankly the situation is a dead horse, and maybe I should have chosen to just ignore it.
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To be truthful, I'm not really interested in fighting with you or your girlfriend. This all happened because of someone else's involvement in the situation. Frankly the situation is a dead horse, and maybe I should have chosen to just ignore it.
Then fuck off.
Not 'mingling in' this bullshit but what I find remarkable that you, rageyb, point your finger towards others, saying he or she is doing such and such, whilst it's pretty obvious you do the exact same thing you claim they are doing.
That's like schizophrenia, dude. Man, you seriously lack insight of yourself.
And that's what you're doing right now. In fact I think all you have EVER said to me, have been variants of that same statement. This is not fingerpointing though. Hell no. :P
You asshole.
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So, just so we are clear. Its ok for your girlfriend to follow me around here and taunt me and you expect me not to respond?
I tired fucking off. she followed me around here and said something, to which I responded.
How is that fair? I know if I fuck off your girlfriend will just do more of the same, she cant help it.
I don't see why you would expect me to take such crap from someone and then get all mad when crap is given back
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So, just so we are clear. Its ok for your girlfriend to follow me around here and taunt me and you expect me not to respond?
I tired fucking off. she followed me around here and said something, to which I responded.
How is that fair? I know if I fuck off your girlfriend will just do more of the same, she cant help it.
I don't see why you would expect me to take such crap from someone and then get all mad when crap is given back
Oh the irony. I find this comical coming from you. I thought you "didn't care". I thoughht you're "not butthurt". I thought you said you could handle it. Liar liar trailer on fire.
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So, just so we are clear. Its ok for your girlfriend to follow me around here and taunt me and you expect me not to respond?
I tired fucking off. she followed me around here and said something, to which I responded.
How is that fair? I know if I fuck off your girlfriend will just do more of the same, she cant help it.
I don't see why you would expect me to take such crap from someone and then get all mad when crap is given back
She was answering your question. Its very fair. You asked aspiemomma what impact someone on disability has on her life, being a little smartass, so DFG came in and told you the truth. She said you were a fraud, and the impact even one person like that has is extremely damaging. You are capable of work. You respond with some petty ass shit, because you are wrong. You attack the only personal details you know about her, insulting her career choice(at least she has one, loser).
And we have a winner. Well, maybe since you are so great at determining if someone is worthy of disability, you should quit your job making paper meche turkeys for your online class. Until then, you and everyone else might as well bend over, spread your cheeks and start using your ass as your primary language recipical.
because, basically. you don't know shit
I don't see why you would expect me to take such crap from someone and then get all mad when crap is given back
By crap, you mean when someone has the nerve to pop your bubble with the needle of truth, right?
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I'm not talking about this topic rage. Remember the agreement you had set up? and she agreed to? to stay out of each others way?
It was working fine, until your girlfriend said this:
Haha. poor Adam, I keep thinking about pinochico when I think of him. and wanting to be a real boy, instead of a wood toy
Poor Richard. He'll never be a sliver of the man Adam is. Or Hitlery Clinton, for that matter. :P
She clearly broke the agreement, so ever since then I have responded accordingly to her.
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I'm not talking about this topic rage. Remember the agreement you had set up? and she agreed to? to stay out of each others way?
It was working fine, until your girlfriend said this:
Haha. poor Adam, I keep thinking about pinochico when I think of him. and wanting to be a real boy, instead of a wood toy
Poor Richard. He'll never be a sliver of the man Adam is. Or Hitlery Clinton, for that matter. :P
She clearly broke the agreement, so ever since then I have responded accordingly to her.
That is so fucking childish, Richard. Here i'll get the tape and put a line across the room so you can have a "side".
You fucking asshole, DAMN.
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Well of course its childish dude. I'm just trying to show you she isn't capable of ignoring me, or keeping an agreement.
Shall we try again? I just want things to be fair. that's all
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He just does what he sees everyone else doing, much the way one of those little dancing monkeys at the circus does.
I thought he was being bashed for being racist. Is everyone here racist?
He's bashed for just about everything, because he's an ass. Why are you also targeting me all of the sudden?
I'm just trying to understand what you are saying. Didn't feel I was attacking anyone. Everyone else in this thread on the other hand
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I'm not talking about this topic rage. Remember the agreement you had set up? and she agreed to? to stay out of each others way?
It was working fine, until your girlfriend said this:
Haha. poor Adam, I keep thinking about pinochico when I think of him. and wanting to be a real boy, instead of a wood toy
Poor Richard. He'll never be a sliver of the man Adam is. Or Hitlery Clinton, for that matter. :P
She clearly broke the agreement, so ever since then I have responded accordingly to her.
You have yourszelf to blame posting on here acting like a thickskinned badass while seeking protection from Rage like a damsel in distress. You cant have it both ways! You want me to lew?e you alone? Admit you are sensitive and butthurt and I will.
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You know what? you can have the last word. I need to remember my religion, Its more important to me than winning an argument
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You know what? you can have the last word. I need to remember my religion, Its more important to me than winning an argument
(https://encrypted-tbn2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTRsle52z0vr075hgOvTfMKrTmAe7eSR1Ph8Fe14pgrGAA341mu)
He just does what he sees everyone else doing, much the way one of those little dancing monkeys at the circus does.
I thought he was being bashed for being racist. Is everyone here racist?
He's bashed for just about everything, because he's an ass. Why are you also targeting me all of the sudden?
I'm just trying to understand what you are saying. Didn't feel I was attacking anyone. Everyone else in this thread on the other hand
All right then. Sorry I snapped at you. :)
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:spitscreen:
Ah well. I tried. :bangbang:
My naive optimism got the best of me once again in thinking there was a slim shred of hope there. It has been a while, I guess I was due.
Back to disillusionment and misanthropy!
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(https://i.chzbgr.com/maxW500/116608768/hAFC39860/)
People always hate those who try.
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:spitscreen:
Ah well. I tried. :bangbang:
My naive optimism got the best of me once again in thinking there was a slim shred of hope there. It has been a while, I guess I was due.
Back to disillusionment and misanthropy!
This is why most dislike him. He is insistant on deluding himself. I was warned too. He said i was "bullying" him when i suggested he try to get a career in his special interest when he was looking for love. I figured the activity and making money would make him happier. :dunno:
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Just let it go.
You can lead a horse to water... (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TkcatFF953g#)
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Yeah. I know I have an over-developed sense of justice, and it seems unjust to me that people are allowed - encouraged, even - to be content with remaining stuck in a state of dependence, enabling them to remain as children. Children are easier to manipulate and handle than adults, I guess. *sighs*
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Yeah. I know I have an over-developed sense of justice, and it seems unjust to me that people are allowed - encouraged, even - to be content with remaining stuck in a state of dependence, enabling them to remain as children. Children are easier to manipulate and handle than adults, I guess. *sighs*
Holy shit someone on here has a fucking brain! :o
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Yeah. I know I have an over-developed sense of justice, and it seems unjust to me that people are allowed - encouraged, even - to be content with remaining stuck in a state of dependence, enabling them to remain as children. Children are easier to manipulate and handle than adults, I guess. *sighs*
That was why i was so depressed. I felt trapped in a life of powerlessness and dependency. I realized doing stuff made me happy and gave my life meaning. He seems to have to figure this out for himself the hard way. He is not happy inside. Like me, his subconscious is telling him DO SOMETHING!
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Yeah. I know I have an over-developed sense of justice, and it seems unjust to me that people are allowed - encouraged, even - to be content with remaining stuck in a state of dependence, enabling them to remain as children. Children are easier to manipulate and handle than adults, I guess. *sighs*
That was why i was so depressed. I felt trapped in a life of powerlessness and dependency. I realized doing stuff made me happy and gave my life meaning. He seems to have to figure this out for himself the hard way. He is not happy inside. Like me, his subconscious is telling him DO SOMETHING!
:green:
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Yeah. I know I have an over-developed sense of justice, and it seems unjust to me that people are allowed - encouraged, even - to be content with remaining stuck in a state of dependence, enabling them to remain as children. Children are easier to manipulate and handle than adults, I guess. *sighs*
That was why i was so depressed. I felt trapped in a life of powerlessness and dependency. I realized doing stuff made me happy and gave my life meaning. He seems to have to figure this out for himself the hard way. He is not happy inside. Like me, his subconscious is telling him DO SOMETHING!
:green:
:anal:
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Yeah. I know I have an over-developed sense of justice, and it seems unjust to me that people are allowed - encouraged, even - to be content with remaining stuck in a state of dependence, enabling them to remain as children. Children are easier to manipulate and handle than adults, I guess. *sighs*
That was why i was so depressed. I felt trapped in a life of powerlessness and dependency. I realized doing stuff made me happy and gave my life meaning. He seems to have to figure this out for himself the hard way. He is not happy inside. Like me, his subconscious is telling him DO SOMETHING!
:green:
I love that you're kicking ass and taking names, DFG. :) Awesome.
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Yeah. I know I have an over-developed sense of justice, and it seems unjust to me that people are allowed - encouraged, even - to be content with remaining stuck in a state of dependence, enabling them to remain as children. Children are easier to manipulate and handle than adults, I guess. *sighs*
That was why i was so depressed. I felt trapped in a life of powerlessness and dependency. I realized doing stuff made me happy and gave my life meaning. He seems to have to figure this out for himself the hard way. He is not happy inside. Like me, his subconscious is telling him DO SOMETHING!
:green:
I love that you're kicking ass and taking names, DFG. :) Awesome.
It is awesome.
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Don't try, babelet. They're just faggots and they'll never be as mature or understanding as you. I talk a little rough, so i'm the devil to them. Let it be.
This is sig material.
I like how you try to discount what I say by applying your emotions to it.
It was better to write the above instead of "don't flatter yourself". I've tried reasoning with you and it didn't work. I've tried pointing out that if you want an actual discussion, you might start by skipping the name-calling, and it didn't work. I've tried to ask you to back up at least some of your shit instead of the strawman. Didn't work either.
The vast majority of your opinions are now little more than background noise and as such not worth discussing. I like how you are bothered by the few responses you get, though.
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He just does what he sees everyone else doing, much the way one of those little dancing monkeys at the circus does.
I thought he was being bashed for being racist. Is everyone here racist?
Nope. Most aren't.
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There is no contest. this isn't a pissing match, rage. But of course if someone says something to me I'm going to respond.
boy I feel like I'm on the school playground. :yawn:
Its always the fucking school playground when you're involved, you little punk. I'm asking you to back up your shit. You think you can mess around with someone's personal information? Try it with me, tough guy. I could expose your entire life.
The irony.
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I'm gonna dip my toe in and sugg....
nevermind. never fucking mind.
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Don't try, babelet. They're just faggots and they'll never be as mature or understanding as you. I talk a little rough, so i'm the devil to them. Let it be.
This is sig material.
I like how you try to discount what I say by applying your emotions to it.
It was better to write the above instead of "don't flatter yourself". I've tried reasoning with you and it didn't work. I've tried pointing out that if you want an actual discussion, you might start by skipping the name-calling, and it didn't work. I've tried to ask you to back up at least some of your shit instead of the strawman. Didn't work either.
The vast majority of your opinions are now little more than background noise and as such not worth discussing. I like how you are bothered by the few responses you get, though.
And I've tried to explain that calling things you don't like to think about "strawmen" is a bit silly.
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There is no contest. this isn't a pissing match, rage. But of course if someone says something to me I'm going to respond.
boy I feel like I'm on the school playground. :yawn:
Its always the fucking school playground when you're involved, you little punk. I'm asking you to back up your shit. You think you can mess around with someone's personal information? Try it with me, tough guy. I could expose your entire life.
The irony.
I've literally provided stacks of documents to support my argument. You? You've provided one liners and cocky jabs.
The irony x2
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Ok, alright....I'll bite.
So......there is this thing that homophobes say about gay people when they demand 'rights', that they are in fact demanding 'special rights' and 'special protections', or that their issues are 'special issues'...meaning something 'extra' that somehow 'excludes' everyone else.
It is a curious thing that certain corners of society can be so entrenched in their privileged status quo, and they can be so desensitized to what is institutionalized bigotry, that when someone challenges that bigotry or status quo- or merely points it out- they are called out for engaging 'favoritism' or 'reverse prejudice'.
It's the situation of an oppressor who fears that 'justice' is equivalent to turning the tables rather than balancing them... in other words, such little faith they have in humanity and in their own innocence. They don't want to be excluded in the way that they have excluded, they don't want to be subject to the treatment that others were subject to, and they fixate on that aim, on that protectiveness, to the point that they actually continue to elevate concerns of their 'own' at the expense of perceived 'others'.
They are people who are so used to having 'more' say in things of law and society, that when the scales are balanced, they perceive they have 'less' say (even if equal to everyone else). Then they delude themselves into thinking they are loosing 'rights' and 'voice', when really, the only thing they are loosing is their privilege.
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Something like affirmative action, yes I find that racist since I find it patronising they can't hire ie. a black person for their skill and only doing so for the colour of his skin.
However, giving more rights to minorities, gay people etc. is awesome in my books. No special treatment there, if anything they're getting rights they should have had in the first place. No one should be seen as a second class citizen.
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Something like affirmative action, yes I find that racist since I find it patronising they can't hire ie. a black person for their skill and only doing so for the colour of his skin.
Wouldn't be as much of a problem if it was tweaked to declare that the person with higher qualification gets highest priority. So in a situation of a black having greater qualification than a white candidate, they are guaranteed the job strictly for the merit of his/her skill, rather than discarded because of their race. Ironically, isn't that what affirmative action should really be doing? Ensuring education is rewarded and equal opportunities are granted?
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Ok, alright....I'll bite.
So......there is this thing that homophobes say about gay people when they demand 'rights', that they are in fact demanding 'special rights' and 'special protections', or that their issues are 'special issues'...meaning something 'extra' that somehow 'excludes' everyone else.
It is a curious thing that certain corners of society can be so entrenched in their privileged status quo, and they can be so desensitized to what is institutionalized bigotry, that when someone challenges that bigotry or status quo- or merely points it out- they are called out for engaging 'favoritism' or 'reverse prejudice'.
It's the situation of an oppressor who fears that 'justice' is equivalent to turning the tables rather than balancing them... in other words, such little faith they have in humanity and in their own innocence. They don't want to be excluded in the way that they have excluded, they don't want to be subject to the treatment that others were subject to, and they fixate on that aim, on that protectiveness, to the point that they actually continue to elevate concerns of their 'own' at the expense of perceived 'others'.
They are people who are so used to having 'more' say in things of law and society, that when the scales are balanced, they perceive they have 'less' say (even if equal to everyone else). Then they delude themselves into thinking they are loosing 'rights' and 'voice', when really, the only thing they are loosing is their privilege.
Everyone of all race, creed, and gender is losing rights faster than they realize it. Something has to be done about it. Political party, race, social justice movements, etc. are all ways of distracting you from that.
The truly privileged is sitting in our white house. In our nation's capitol. Don't you guys realize that they should be obeying our commands? Instead most look up to them now as some sort of religious dieties. Its quite shocking to me, and an obvious gateway to tyranny.
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Something like affirmative action, yes I find that racist since I find it patronising they can't hire ie. a black person for their skill and only doing so for the colour of his skin.
Wouldn't be as much of a problem if it was tweaked to declare that the person with higher qualification gets highest priority. So in a situation of a black having greater qualification than a white candidate, they are guaranteed the job strictly for the merit of his/her skill, rather than discarded because of their race. Ironically, isn't that what affirmative action should really be doing? Ensuring education is rewarded and equal opportunities are granted?
I thought that's usually how it's supposed to be in the workplace. Wouldn't call that affirmative action, just common sense.
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Something like affirmative action, yes I find that racist since I find it patronising they can't hire ie. a black person for their skill and only doing so for the colour of his skin.
Wouldn't be as much of a problem if it was tweaked to declare that the person with higher qualification gets highest priority. So in a situation of a black having greater qualification than a white candidate, they are guaranteed the job strictly for the merit of his/her skill, rather than discarded because of their race. Ironically, isn't that what affirmative action should really be doing? Ensuring education is rewarded and equal opportunities are granted?
Affirmative action- what it actually is meant to do is protect minorities from discrimination. It's a fact that very few employers actually hire strictly on the merit of qualification. A lot of hiring has to do with perceived qualification, and also the willingness of the employer to work with someone. If someone is highly qualified but the employer dislikes them, it's within their right not to hire them.
Now, it is generally perceived as much easier for a person to relate to other people of their same community. If the majority of employers start out as male, white, upper/middle class, neurotypical, it is very likely they will favour people of their similar culture- mainly because it is who they are used to working with, and who they are used to serving.
I hate it when people assume that employers hire strictly based on qualification. That's a goddamn lie. It ain't unnatural to want to hire people who you feel comfortable with (or who your team will feel comfortable with), in fact that is good hiring practice.
The only problem is, the way society was- only a certain culture of people (male, white, upper/middle class), who have been favoured for centuries, are the people in the power positions. People don't open their minds if don't have too. They prefer comfort and constancy.
Anyone of any minority knows that in order for people such as that to hire someone outside of their general community, they need an INCENTIVE. Thats what affirmative action does. If nothing else, businessmen and politicians understand incentives...it is therefore logical to apply one for the quickest results.
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Something like affirmative action, yes I find that racist since I find it patronising they can't hire ie. a black person for their skill and only doing so for the colour of his skin.
Wouldn't be as much of a problem if it was tweaked to declare that the person with higher qualification gets highest priority. So in a situation of a black having greater qualification than a white candidate, they are guaranteed the job strictly for the merit of his/her skill, rather than discarded because of their race. Ironically, isn't that what affirmative action should really be doing? Ensuring education is rewarded and equal opportunities are granted?
I thought that's usually how it's supposed to be in the workplace. Wouldn't call that affirmative action, just common sense.
Eh, people sometimes value the trivialities more than the logic of having greater productivity, but in most cases it's about how you look and whenever or not it attracts more customers, thereby more sales (at least for retail). In other cases the boss has personal tastes and rather have a person who obeys him/her or suits their desires than someone more qualified.
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Ignore the real enemy, guys. Mhm.
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I agree with SG800. most employers higher on looks alone, qualifications have nothing to do with it.
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Something like affirmative action, yes I find that racist since I find it patronising they can't hire ie. a black person for their skill and only doing so for the colour of his skin.
Wouldn't be as much of a problem if it was tweaked to declare that the person with higher qualification gets highest priority. So in a situation of a black having greater qualification than a white candidate, they are guaranteed the job strictly for the merit of his/her skill, rather than discarded because of their race. Ironically, isn't that what affirmative action should really be doing? Ensuring education is rewarded and equal opportunities are granted?
The purpose of affirmative action is to try and make up for the institutionalized racism that is the reason behind why minorities are lesser educated and therefore lesser qualified for the positions. To state that everything should be equal on merit is to do more than "tweak", it rejects the fundamental purpose of affirmative action.
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Don't you guys think this kind of stuff would be better dealt with AFTER knocking the elites off their high perch? I mean seriously, people...
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Something like affirmative action, yes I find that racist since I find it patronising they can't hire ie. a black person for their skill and only doing so for the colour of his skin.
Wouldn't be as much of a problem if it was tweaked to declare that the person with higher qualification gets highest priority. So in a situation of a black having greater qualification than a white candidate, they are guaranteed the job strictly for the merit of his/her skill, rather than discarded because of their race. Ironically, isn't that what affirmative action should really be doing? Ensuring education is rewarded and equal opportunities are granted?
The purpose of affirmative action is to try and make up for the institutionalized racism that is the reason behind why minorities are lesser educated and therefore lesser qualified for the positions. To state that everything should be equal on merit is to do more than "tweak", it rejects the fundamental purpose of affirmative action.
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Don't you guys think this kind of stuff would be better dealt with AFTER knocking the elites off their high perch? I mean seriously, people...
I think one of the reasons that we like conspiracy theories is I think that we like to feel like there is a group of people who are so smart and powerful that they can pull the wool over an entire country or in fact even an entire world's eyes. That certainly makes us feel like somehow we're protected, even if it's not in our best interest.
-Jason Ritter
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Don't you guys think this kind of stuff would be better dealt with AFTER knocking the elites off their high perch? I mean seriously, people...
I think one of the reasons that we like conspiracy theories is I think that we like to feel like there is a group of people who are so smart and powerful that they can pull the wool over an entire country or in fact even an entire world's eyes. That certainly makes us feel like somehow we're protected, even if it's not in our best interest.
-Jason Ritter
Interesting notion... :apondering:
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The purpose of affirmative action is to try and make up for the institutionalized racism that is the reason behind why minorities are lesser educated and therefore lesser qualified for the positions. To state that everything should be equal on merit is to do more than "tweak", it rejects the fundamental purpose of affirmative action.
Institutionalised racism is a problem indeed.
However, basing employment on how someone looks or talks is one thing, but picking someone purely for their race for me isn't the right way of doing it. I believe companies should really focus on the abilities of their potential employees more than anything else. After all, wouldn't it be pretty much useless and disheartening to go to college to get degree, only to be picked because they want to fill their race quota, but not for your talents?
Getting rid of institutionalised racism and making measures to help minorities get better education would work better, IMO. Affirmative action just reinforces it with positive racism, which is still racism.
If we want to live in an equal society, then true equality needs to be achieved by fixing those inequalities rather than half-arsed attempts such as this.
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In Sweden, the Supreme Court has ruled that "affirmative action" ethnic quotas in universities are discrimination and hence unlawful. It said that the requirements for the intake should be the same for all. The Justice Chancellor said that the decision left no room for uncertainty.
Huh, seems quotas are being challenged.
I think the original meaning for affirmative action, "to hire without regard to race, religion and national origin" makes a lot more sense than it's current implementation.
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There is a such thing as being the "token" minority. It's racism all the same...and it's not a brand new version of it, people of minorities have been used as tokens in a lot of things for hundreds of years, just as they have been discriminated against. Both are aspects of racism, neither are exclusive of each other. Both reinforce stereotypes...etc.
Affirmative action offers incentives for employers who, when deciding between two qualified professionals, they won't always give the upper hand to the familiar and comfortable face, and will give a second look at someone unfamiliar- such as a woman, or someone with a disability, or someone of a disadvantaged race. It's silly to think that if you are a white neurotypical decent looking male that you are judged on merit alone. Quite the opposite! You already have an upper hand...even if born poor, once you're in the interview room, wearing a suit, the employer will base their first impression on your looks. Then your mannerisms. And then finally your merit. They see a black man wearing a suit and c'mon, black men don't make good first impressions unless your trying to intimidate someone. Also, the chances a black man even makes it to the interview room are slim, given unequal access to education and networking in the first place...
If the playing field wasn't leveled a bit, and this is the nasty truth, thousands of minority professionals would not exist. Thousands more wouldn't even try. And it is likely the civil rights movement would have more fire still, which in my opinion, would be a good thing. I would rather people see society for what it is than imagine that because they hired a black person, all is well.
All is not well.
All is horribly, wretchedly, fucked.
It doesn't bother me that things are fucked....make do with what we got eh? What bothers me is the culture of sheer delusion and selfishness which we live in. No thanks to the fucking catholic church! AHHHHHHHHHH!>>N<D>JKBFJKBKH>S?TB:ABCLAHVcf l
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I believe companies should really focus on the abilities of their potential employees more than anything else.
Thinking they do. My understanding of affirmative action is, an employer has one position with two equally qualified applicants. If one of those applicants is a minority then they get the job. Of course it's not that clear cut; thinking there's maybe percentage guidelines. Not really sure. Can remember in my last position, HR commenting they were catching grief for not having enough white people in hire. Go figure. :laugh:
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There is a such thing as being the "token" minority. It's racism all the same...and it's not a brand new version of it, people of minorities have been used as tokens in a lot of things for hundreds of years, just as they have been discriminated against. Both are aspects of racism, neither are exclusive of each other. Both reinforce stereotypes...etc.
Affirmative action offers incentives for employers who, when deciding between two qualified professionals, they won't always give the upper hand to the familiar and comfortable face, and will give a second look at someone unfamiliar- such as a woman, or someone with a disability, or someone of a disadvantaged race. It's silly to think that if you are a white neurotypical decent looking male that you are judged on merit alone. Quite the opposite! You already have an upper hand...even if born poor, once you're in the interview room, wearing a suit, the employer will base their first impression on your looks. Then your mannerisms. And then finally your merit. They see a black man wearing a suit and c'mon, black men don't make good first impressions unless your trying to intimidate someone. Also, the chances a black man even makes it to the interview room are slim, given unequal access to education and networking in the first place...
If the playing field wasn't leveled a bit, and this is the nasty truth, thousands of minority professionals would not exist. Thousands more wouldn't even try. And it is likely the civil rights movement would have more fire still, which in my opinion, would be a good thing. I would rather people see society for what it is than imagine that because they hired a black person, all is well.
All is not well.
All is horribly, wretchedly, fucked.
It doesn't bother me that things are fucked....make do with what we got eh? What bothers me is the culture of sheer delusion and selfishness which we live in. No thanks to the fucking catholic church! AHHHHHHHHHH!>>N<D>JKBFJKBKH>S?TB:ABCLAHVcf l
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Which is why I find it better to fix the underlying problems rather than masking it. Companies should base their decisions on ability, not race, gender etc. Minorities should get proper education to help them succeed and so on. I believe this is possible since I see no reason why an Africian or whatever person cannot be just as qualified as everyone else, since there's no cognitive differences between races. The reason why they're not as educated etc. is societal, which is wrong.
I would agree however with disabled people, who definitely need help. I don't see this as giving them privelidges since they cannot function the same way as an abled person. The help will show their potential as talented employees.
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Minorities should get proper education to help them succeed and so on.
Affirmative action also applies to higher education, people seeking educational grants and scholarships.
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I went off the deep end thanks to this thread. :zombiefuck:
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Minorities should get proper education to help them succeed and so on.
Affirmative action also applies to higher education, people seeking educational grants and scholarships.
Even if their education previously was subpar, right? This is the problem. An underqualified minority will find it harder and more likely drop out.
We shouldn't have to have quotas and making it easier for minorities to get into college, work etc. They should be able to go into them the same way as everyone else, because they have the same capabilities as everyone else. The problem is that society impedes them, meaning they're stuck in a rut. It's better to fix society rather than to apply positive racism, which can do more harm than good.
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Even if their education previously was subpar, right?
The majority of American's attend public school before attending university, so not sure what that means. Subpar as everyone else, I guess.
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I went off the deep end thanks to this thread. :zombiefuck:
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Don't you guys think this kind of stuff would be better dealt with AFTER knocking the elites off their high perch? I mean seriously, people...
I think one of the reasons that we like conspiracy theories is I think that we like to feel like there is a group of people who are so smart and powerful that they can pull the wool over an entire country or in fact even an entire world's eyes. That certainly makes us feel like somehow we're protected, even if it's not in our best interest.
-Jason Ritter
So who do you think is doing all the "tweaking" then? I mean really. Someone has to be benefitting from all this. The money has to be going somewhere, because we aren't running out of fucking paper. I just choose to call these people the "elite". They are obviously using our federal government for their gain, and have been for some time now.
Its just going to keep getting shittier and shittier unless we stand up and say NO. YOU'VE TAKEN ENOUGH.
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Even if their education previously was subpar, right?
The majority of American's attend public school before attending university, so not sure what that means. Subpar as everyone else, I guess.
Actually, I could draw you a pretty graph of the strong inverse relationship between percentage of students in poverty, and school performance (that is the grade that a state gives to a school, the number of graduates, etc). So yes, quality of education is not the same in every public school. Why do you think the state and gov't have been scrambling to correct our apparent education crisis?
Cause it sucks. And is far worse if you live in a poor neighborhood.
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Even if their education previously was subpar, right?
The majority of American's attend public school before attending university, so not sure what that means. Subpar as everyone else, I guess.
Not all schools are created equal.
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Sg is correct. The social status of minority groups would not be what it is today without affirmative action. Is it racially biased? Yes, it is. Big deal, considering the alternative. The purpose of affirmative action is to place intelligent hardworking minorities in their rightful place in society. Have once lived in an area with a poor, mostly non-English speaking, hispanic minority who were suddenly drawn in by booming business. Now live in an area where Hispanics have been around for a long time. They not only represent low wage workers, but the middle and upperclass, business people, and leaders. Racism still exists, but it's a completely different world. Really like it.
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Even if their education previously was subpar, right?
The majority of American's attend public school before attending university, so not sure what that means. Subpar as everyone else, I guess.
Not all schools are created equal.
Of course not; there's a ranking list by state out there somewhere. Sill, unless someone has money for college, is a genius or sports star in highschool for fat scholarships, it's a situation of the same kids from the same area applying for the same local colleges and tech schools. Everyone has a fair shot. Poverty among minorities is probably a bigger issue, as far as kids dropping out or things like that.
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one of the problems with affirmative action is that it can ultimately work AGAINST the people it' trying to help. If [everyone else] sees it as [minority] are getting "special treatment" and being given jobs just becuase they're X, Y or Z, then that can create - in face, does create - resentment and will actually worsen race relations etc
Good intentions, well meaning, maybe. But it's flawed
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btw, when you guys say "qualified", I've been assuming you meant actual qualifications - diplomas, degrees, grades etc. Or do you mean "more qualified" in my general terms? ie better suited to the job, when everything is taken into account, including past experience etc
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one of the problems with affirmative action is that it can ultimately work AGAINST the people it' trying to help. If [everyone else] sees it as [minority] are getting "special treatment" and being given jobs just becuase they're X, Y or Z, then that can create - in face, does create - resentment and will actually worsen race relations etc
Good intentions, well meaning, maybe. But it's flawed
OMFG EXACTLY
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one of the problems with affirmative action is that it can ultimately work AGAINST the people it' trying to help. If [everyone else] sees it as [minority] are getting "special treatment" and being given jobs just becuase they're X, Y or Z, then that can create - in face, does create - resentment and will actually worsen race relations etc
Good intentions, well meaning, maybe. But it's flawed
Not everyone else thinks that. There will always be some; what's that word? Work in a sizable office building where there are more white people than black people, more white people than Hispanic people, more white people than Asian people. There might even be slightly more white people than other races combined, but it's a pretty fair mix. Can't remember ever thinking about anyone like that...they have their job because they're getting special treatment. Don't think about it at all. Hopefully most of the other people at work really don't think about it at all either. They don't act like they do. It's a pitty there must be rules for that.
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Even if their education previously was subpar, right?
The majority of American's attend public school before attending university, so not sure what that means. Subpar as everyone else, I guess.
Not all schools are created equally.
Apparently not. :D
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btw, when you guys say "qualified", I've been assuming you meant actual qualifications - diplomas, degrees, grades etc. Or do you mean "more qualified" in my general terms? ie better suited to the job, when everything is taken into account, including past experience etc
It's my understanding, qualified as in, an employer has two resumes in front of them worth perusing a personal interview. On paper they're equally good.
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If there are people who resent minorities for being disadvantaged, then they are idiots, plain and simple.
Affirmative action doesn't create resentment, that resentment was already there in the first place...decent people don't resent. And they don't "miss" opportunities. Minorities are not unfairly being given jobs, they actually work hard and qualify for them. In the small amount of cases where they are chosen as tokens, it is for numbers purposes and they are sacked soon after. For instance, in one public school in my city, they admit insanely high numbers of kids in 7th and 8th grades, admit a ton of minority students, give them poor quality teachers, because they don't expect those kids to last. They then kick out poorer performing students so that by 9th grade they have the class they want. The minority kids in the 7th and 8th grades are used for numbers...
Anyways, affirmative action isn't removing opportunities from majorities...if they feel resentment, they are probably uneducated.
I know no minority who would say affirmative action works against them.
Look at the numbers, there are clearly still gaps...
http://nces.ed.gov/fastfacts/display.asp?id=72 (http://nces.ed.gov/fastfacts/display.asp?id=72)
http://thesocietypages.org/graphicsociology/2012/09/04/race-and-gender-in-higher-education/ (http://thesocietypages.org/graphicsociology/2012/09/04/race-and-gender-in-higher-education/)
Now, there is not an equal shot for poor kids trying to go to college vs non poor.
I'm sorry, but quality of public schools depends on the wealth of the neighborhood and the students attending. It just does. Go to the poorest performing school, you will find it is poorly equipped, large classrooms, overwhelmed teachers, and kids who are living in poverty. Are they prepped for college? Do they graduate? IF they graduate, do they do so with a quality education in their pockets, or were they passed along and taught the 'tests' only?
There is plenty of literature demonstrating the gap. Not only that, there is also literature on implicit racism taught by teachers. For instance, black females are encouraged more in school, and black males tend to be assessed more harshly in terms of behaviour.
Also a lot of kids who have issues such as ADHD/ADD, in minorities are not diagnosed because bad behaviour is simply 'expected', because....well, racist stereotyping.
Things are not equal.
And btw, I strongly point out that there is a big difference between being "poor" and being impoverished. Being poor simply means you have simple means, or no means...just a lack of money. Being impoverished is a whole nother shit pool of having little or no money, but also living in a broken community plagued with violence, crime, and nothing to do...growing up the subject of other peoples distrust, with no purpose, and very few people to care for you. Kids who tend to under perform are the ones who are not only poor, but also impoverished...and that kind of poverty, where a whole entire community and environment is in shambles, doesn't happen overnight...and it doesn't happen on accident. And stick a school in the middle of that and see how many good teachers apply to work there, and see who donates to fund the school, and see who cares about the kids at all.
Corruption in jails, in law enforcement, lack of opportunities, and the historical migration of poor people to inner cities and their treatment there all plays into such a situation. It isn't isolated...
So if it were just poor people, then simply poor people would probably have a good chance...they might no have the best equipt schools, but the environment would be conducive to learning. But these aren't poor people, they are impoverished.
going off on a tangent...
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one of the problems with affirmative action is that it can ultimately work AGAINST the people it' trying to help. If [everyone else] sees it as [minority] are getting "special treatment" and being given jobs just becuase they're X, Y or Z, then that can create - in face, does create - resentment and will actually worsen race relations etc
Good intentions, well meaning, maybe. But it's flawed
Not everyone else thinks that. There will always be some; what's that word? Work in a sizable office building where there are more white people than black people, more white people than Hispanic people, more white people than Asian people. There might even be slightly more white people than other races combined, but it's a pretty fair mix. Can't remember ever thinking about anyone like that...they have their job because they're getting special treatment. Don't think about it at all. Hopefully most of the other people at work really don't think about it at all either. They don't act like they do. It's a pitty there must be rules for that.
Of course not everyone thinks like that
And I didnt mean their other colleagues. I meant society in general. It will increase resentment towards them from other people.
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I'm sorry, but quality of public schools depends on the wealth of the neighborhood and the students attending.
The quality of public schools depends on the state. Until two or three years ago, my state's public schools ranked one of the lowest in the nation. Not a poor state. A tourist state. A state with a lottery. When the people of the state elected to have a lottery, it was with the understanding half the money would go to public school. Where the crap is all that money going? My a community is not a poor one, despite it's embarrassing school system. A lot of changes have been made. Things are considerably better because the state is spending the money to make it so.
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If there are people who resent minorities for being disadvantaged, then they are idiots, plain and simple.
Agreed. So? Whether they are idiots or not is besides the point - of course they're idiots. The problem is still there tho.
Affirmative action doesn't create resentment, that resentment was already there in the first place...decent people don't resent.
It doesn't create it out of nowhere,no. But it increases it. Yes, they're clearly already at least slightly racist/homophobic/whatever to begin with, but if people start to think black people are getting jobs just becuase they're black, obviously that's just stirring it up even more.
And they don't "miss" opportunities. Minorities are not unfairly being given jobs,
No, but the PERCEPTION that they are is there
Anyways, affirmative action isn't removing opportunities from majorities...if they feel resentment, they are probably uneducated.
Again, besides the point.
I know no minority who would say affirmative action works against them.
Of course it doesnt work against individual people belonging to some minority. I said it can make the racism/homophpbia etc worse itself. In general. It clearly helps the individual people, but if it stirs up resentment from others, it's obviously not helping stamp out bigotry itself.
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I'm sorry, but quality of public schools depends on the wealth of the neighborhood and the students attending.
The quality of public schools depends on the state.
A state is much bigger than a neighbourhood. And the relative wealth of different neighbourhoods is gonna vary a lot within each state
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I'm sorry, but quality of public schools depends on the wealth of the neighborhood and the students attending.
The quality of public schools depends on the state.
A state is much bigger than a neighbourhood. And the relative wealth of different neighbourhoods is gonna vary a lot within each state
The federal government and state governments fund public schools. Schools are funded per head. My state had a D ranking for state funding. Now it has a B.
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How that effects student performance ratings is still to be seen.
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Something like affirmative action, yes I find that racist since I find it patronising they can't hire ie. a black person for their skill and only doing so for the colour of his skin.
Wouldn't be as much of a problem if it was tweaked to declare that the person with higher qualification gets highest priority. So in a situation of a black having greater qualification than a white candidate, they are guaranteed the job strictly for the merit of his/her skill, rather than discarded because of their race. Ironically, isn't that what affirmative action should really be doing? Ensuring education is rewarded and equal opportunities are granted?
The purpose of affirmative action is to try and make up for the institutionalized racism that is the reason behind why minorities are lesser educated and therefore lesser qualified for the positions. To state that everything should be equal on merit is to do more than "tweak", it rejects the fundamental purpose of affirmative action.
Which is a flawed purpose to begin with. The only aspect I'd support is if a minority is equally or better suited for something, race should be completely irrelevant to the reason why they're hired. But I hate the "filling the quota" mentality affirmative action generates, and as a result fails to actually tackle the deeper underlying issues of racism. To even acknowledge race as a factor for anything, positive or negative is still discriminatory no matter what the justification is for it.
If you want to fight the underlying problem you need to abolish the notion that race is relevant to anything and grant everyone the same opportunities in life.
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It's funny, because I think we're on the same page here.
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Canadians call it "Employment Equity". Smart bastards, those Canadians.
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If there are people who resent minorities for being disadvantaged, then they are idiots, plain and simple.
Agreed. So? Whether they are idiots or not is besides the point - of course they're idiots. The problem is still there tho.
Affirmative action doesn't create resentment, that resentment was already there in the first place...decent people don't resent.
It doesn't create it out of nowhere,no. But it increases it. Yes, they're clearly already at least slightly racist/homophobic/whatever to begin with, but if people start to think black people are getting jobs just becuase they're black, obviously that's just stirring it up even more.
And they don't "miss" opportunities. Minorities are not unfairly being given jobs,
No, but the PERCEPTION that they are is there
Anyways, affirmative action isn't removing opportunities from majorities...if they feel resentment, they are probably uneducated.
Again, besides the point.
I know no minority who would say affirmative action works against them.
Of course it doesnt work against individual people belonging to some minority. I said it can make the racism/homophpbia etc worse itself. In general. It clearly helps the individual people, but if it stirs up resentment from others, it's obviously not helping stamp out bigotry itself.
Ah, yes I can agree with that. My personal opinion: I'd rather bigotry be blatant and obvious, and not bandaged, or smoothed over. For the same reason you stated, smoothing it over doesn't get rid of it.
The general philosophy behind success of quick fixes, such as laws and incentives, is that once people of certain groups are allowed to succeed in certain roles, the public opinion of them and their capabilities will change. It is like changing segregation laws to allow people to mingle, to get to know one another, to build trust, and to breakdown barriers...
[WARNING: I seriously digress below....culture is one of my favourite topics...I like to squeeze a lot in...sorry...just a lot of rambling below]
But as we know, even desegregation has backfired in a nasty way (due to the problem being bandaged, not fixed). For instance, if there are 5 black people in a giant group of 30 people, and those people are being split into groups to participate in some workshop, a few of those black ppl will probably (due to commonalities in culture) sit together and get along, sharing the same jokes, etc... Well, due to the desegregation attitude, ppl expect that the minorities don't mingle with each other, but require them to separate and have one in each group of white people.
For some reason it's too intimidating for a non-black person to sit with the few black people and mingle, instead the black people are expected to separate and mingle with others. This is one instance in which the minority is used as a token.
It doesn't harbour any kind of cultural exchange, because the communities don't mingle, and don't breakdown barriers. They assume sticking a minority in a group of majority will breakdown barriers, but all it does is create an environment where the minority is pressured to conform and relate culturally with the larger group...never being able to fully share their own cultural background, unless they host some kind of cultural event...
So if a minority person acts upper class/white/straight/gender stereotyped enough, they will be readily accepted. No cultural exchange. Just assimilation.
Also...it depends on the minority with how well they will assimilate. For instance refugees who come here tend to not do so well, mostly because they don't come with the aim of the "american dream", they come to escape something, perhaps unwillingly, and with different sort of hopes. Perhaps they perform well with the aim of improving their homeland...or perhaps they remain in survival mode even when they live here for awhile.
Then there are groups of people to immigrate specifically for the american dream- they come with a goal, and those who trickle in from their origin community tend to be motivated, upper class in their own culture, and tend to help each other with certain job and opportunities, and may assimilate easier. For instance, in the US, a lot of people from India who come here for higher education or professional jobs, tend not to be from the lower castes, and tend to assimilate very well with upper class in America.
Also if they come specifically for education and a profession, or for work with the intention of keeping ties with home, than when they have kids, they will likely raise them with a similar expectation of achievement. So the cultural exchange we share on those levels tend to be a very narrow one. We don't hear much from lower Indian castes for instance. Or from upper class professional latinos...for instance, many white collar professionals, due to language barrier, take blue collar jobs.
Then there are minorities who grow up here, and their experience and life circumstance are very very different.
Because of differences in assimilation, opportunity, culture of origin, and stereotypes, then there are differences in the way minorities will benefit from such laws and bandages put into place. And there are differences in the ways they will "backfire".
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I'm sorry, but quality of public schools depends on the wealth of the neighborhood and the students attending.
The quality of public schools depends on the state.
A state is much bigger than a neighbourhood. And the relative wealth of different neighbourhoods is gonna vary a lot within each state
The federal government and state governments fund public schools. Schools are funded per head. My state had a D ranking for state funding. Now it has a B.
What state are you from?
A public school in the suburbs is like...a friggin college campus, carpeting on the floors... In the ghetto, it doesn't have computers, barely a playground, and no art or music classes.
First of all, its not SOLELY by state...it is state, then it's by county, and then it's by district, and a lot hangs on the nieghborhood. A rich neighborhood, they pay more taxes, the alumni make more donations, more money goes to the schools. In a poor neighborhood, less taxes, barely any alumni, and less money to schools. Simple math.
THERE YA GO: http://www.nytimes.com/2011/12/01/education/us-education-department-finds-salary-gap-in-poor-schools.html?_r=0 (http://www.nytimes.com/2011/12/01/education/us-education-department-finds-salary-gap-in-poor-schools.html?_r=0)
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I worked with a lot of refugees in the past and for the most part they did better than the idiots we hired who were born here. Most used the job as a jumping point to a better one after getting used to the US. One family I knew even went on to start their own businesses and buy houses within three years of getting here. I worked mostly with people from the Balkans and the Congo, the only ones that didn't work out at all were from Somalia they were a nightmare.
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Don't try, babelet. They're just faggots and they'll never be as mature or understanding as you. I talk a little rough, so i'm the devil to them. Let it be.
This is sig material.
I like how you try to discount what I say by applying your emotions to it.
It was better to write the above instead of "don't flatter yourself". I've tried reasoning with you and it didn't work. I've tried pointing out that if you want an actual discussion, you might start by skipping the name-calling, and it didn't work. I've tried to ask you to back up at least some of your shit instead of the strawman. Didn't work either.
The vast majority of your opinions are now little more than background noise and as such not worth discussing. I like how you are bothered by the few responses you get, though.
And I've tried to explain that calling things you don't like to think about "strawmen" is a bit silly.
Have you even read the definition? I did provide a link, I think.
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There is no contest. this isn't a pissing match, rage. But of course if someone says something to me I'm going to respond.
boy I feel like I'm on the school playground. :yawn:
Its always the fucking school playground when you're involved, you little punk. I'm asking you to back up your shit. You think you can mess around with someone's personal information? Try it with me, tough guy. I could expose your entire life.
The irony.
I've literally provided stacks of documents to support my argument. You? You've provided one liners and cocky jabs.
The irony x2
You probably should go back and reread the thread. Still waiting for you to disprove that you aren't a space alien.
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Something like affirmative action, yes I find that racist since I find it patronising they can't hire ie. a black person for their skill and only doing so for the colour of his skin.
Wouldn't be as much of a problem if it was tweaked to declare that the person with higher qualification gets highest priority. So in a situation of a black having greater qualification than a white candidate, they are guaranteed the job strictly for the merit of his/her skill, rather than discarded because of their race. Ironically, isn't that what affirmative action should really be doing? Ensuring education is rewarded and equal opportunities are granted?
I thought that's usually how it's supposed to be in the workplace. Wouldn't call that affirmative action, just common sense.
Depends on what you choose to include in the qualifications. In other words, what the job requires. Education is not everything and I have seen several cases where a person with a better education was less suitable for the job than his competitors for the position.
Not trying to be contrary, btw, just thinking of a few cases when my employer should have chosen differently.
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I hate it when people assume that employers hire strictly based on qualification. That's a goddamn lie. It ain't unnatural to want to hire people who you feel comfortable with (or who your team will feel comfortable with), in fact that is good hiring practice.
QFT
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Don't you guys think this kind of stuff would be better dealt with AFTER knocking the elites off their high perch? I mean seriously, people...
No, because if you can't change your own situation, you sure as hell can't change anyone else's.
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In Sweden, the Supreme Court has ruled that "affirmative action" ethnic quotas in universities are discrimination and hence unlawful. It said that the requirements for the intake should be the same for all. The Justice Chancellor said that the decision left no room for uncertainty.
Huh, seems quotas are being challenged.
I think the original meaning for affirmative action, "to hire without regard to race, religion and national origin" makes a lot more sense than it's current implementation.
Sweden's Supreme Court ruling was precisely about that. They don't often get it right, but this time they did.
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I worked with a lot of refugees in the past and for the most part they did better than the idiots we hired who were born here. Most used the job as a jumping point to a better one after getting used to the US. One family I knew even went on to start their own businesses and buy houses within three years of getting here. I worked mostly with people from the Balkans and the Congo, the only ones that didn't work out at all were from Somalia they were a nightmare.
Er, when I say they don't do so well, I mean, they don't usually end up with PhDs, or filthy rich, aka in the realm of the elite.
Of course, it also depends on the community and where in the country they end up being placed.
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Ignore the real enemy, guys. Mhm.
Dude.....what?
This is a good conversation going...at least I am enjoying it.
Ever heard the phrase "Know thyself"?
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Something like affirmative action, yes I find that racist since I find it patronising they can't hire ie. a black person for their skill and only doing so for the colour of his skin.
Wouldn't be as much of a problem if it was tweaked to declare that the person with higher qualification gets highest priority. So in a situation of a black having greater qualification than a white candidate, they are guaranteed the job strictly for the merit of his/her skill, rather than discarded because of their race. Ironically, isn't that what affirmative action should really be doing? Ensuring education is rewarded and equal opportunities are granted?
I thought that's usually how it's supposed to be in the workplace. Wouldn't call that affirmative action, just common sense.
Depends on what you choose to include in the qualifications. In other words, what the job requires. Education is not everything and I have seen several cases where a person with a better education was less suitable for the job than his competitors for the position.
Not trying to be contrary, btw, just thinking of a few cases when my employer should have chosen differently.
Not trying to say qualifications has to be the sole requirement. How you present yourself and appear are also just as important. However, I would equate qualification and presentation as part of "ability" in general, anyway. If it were purely based on qualifications, surely most of us aspies with degrees would have jobs by now? :LOL:
I just don't think race, gender etc. should be a factor in it, positively or negatively.
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Stinky people don't get jobs. Unless they are working as a farm hand. I am prejudiced against smelly people.
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I worked with a lot of refugees in the past and for the most part they did better than the idiots we hired who were born here. Most used the job as a jumping point to a better one after getting used to the US. One family I knew even went on to start their own businesses and buy houses within three years of getting here. I worked mostly with people from the Balkans and the Congo, the only ones that didn't work out at all were from Somalia they were a nightmare.
Er, when I say they don't do so well, I mean, they don't usually end up with PhDs, or filthy rich, aka in the realm of the elite.
Of course, it also depends on the community and where in the country they end up being placed.
Most people don't end up rich or with PhDs and I would not consider that a requirement for doing well and having a fulfilling life.
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Ignore the real enemy, guys. Mhm.
Dude.....what?
This is a good conversation going...at least I am enjoying it.
Ever heard the phrase "Know thyself"?
And I personally think these are distractions. Race, social class, gender. These make is OH SO EASY to divide us into factions. We're far stronger united, and people can argue about whos the most specialest snowflake after we're safe from tyranny. After we've won.
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Did anyone hear something? I swore I heard someone do a big dirty fart. :dunno:
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Did anyone hear something? I swore I heard someone do a big dirty fart. :dunno:
That's childish as hell, man. But okay, whatever makes you happy. Here, have some more evidence that Obama at the helm is BAD. The rest of the world was supposed to love us with him in charge. Has this happened? NOPE. The rest of the world fucking hates us, and even America hates itself.
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013/08/02/us-to-shut-down-american-embassies-around-world-as-terror-threats-grow/ (http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013/08/02/us-to-shut-down-american-embassies-around-world-as-terror-threats-grow/)
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The Singing Butts "UNPLUGGED" debut Fart Music album (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r1BCfjbne3s#)
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The Singing Butts "UNPLUGGED" debut Fart Music album (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r1BCfjbne3s#)
We're gonna play that way eh? I got one for you then.
Monkey throwing poop (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EGvD5OSkJ_Q#)
In case you're too spazzy to get it, this is what you're doing right now.
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Ignore the real enemy, guys. Mhm.
Dude.....what?
This is a good conversation going...at least I am enjoying it.
Ever heard the phrase "Know thyself"?
And I personally think these are distractions. Race, social class, gender. These make is OH SO EASY to divide us into factions. We're far stronger united, and people can argue about whos the most specialest snowflake after we're safe from tyranny. After we've won.
True and true. But conversations, debates, blowing off steam is necessary. It's like someone with PTSD, they can't just get up and walk away, they have to work through it, understand themselves in a different light, then move forward. Same with intergeneration-cultural PTSD. Gotta work through it. The fact that bigotry still exists, that so many are afraid to talk about it, and that even fewer can sit down and debate points, should be a sign that more work on ourselves needs to be done.
And second, such discussions often point to the root of certain problems, and give clues as to how to remedy them...something that avoidance and denial would ....deny you the chance of ascertaining.
Take the civil rights movement- do you know much about it? They didn't just spring up ready to resist. They underwent serious community bonding, training, reflection, etc, to prepare them for resistance. Those that spring up willy nilly are just as quickly put back down, re-divided, and silenced. Those that take the time to share ideas, share experiences, and heal as a group do much better.
So if you want to fight a war with a large unattended wound in your belly, see how long you'll last. Uniting against a common enemy is an incredibly delicate, and unstable, operation. Uniting with a common vision is far more powerful and long lasting.
Think of it like this, if the elite or whatnot have a common vision they will always be more powerful as long as we don't. We can unite against an enemy and be repeatedly thwarted, growing more and more frustrated with one another, or we can unite for a common vision and emerge victorious. We need discussion, we need exchange, and we need respect for one another. Calling someone else's hardship a distraction can be seen as offensive, and be far more divisive than lending an ear.
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Ignore the real enemy, guys. Mhm.
Dude.....what?
This is a good conversation going...at least I am enjoying it.
Ever heard the phrase "Know thyself"?
And I personally think these are distractions. Race, social class, gender. These make is OH SO EASY to divide us into factions. We're far stronger united, and people can argue about whos the most specialest snowflake after we're safe from tyranny. After we've won.
True and true. But conversations, debates, blowing off steam is necessary. It's like someone with PTSD, they can't just get up and walk away, they have to work through it, understand themselves in a different light, then move forward. Same with intergeneration-cultural PTSD. Gotta work through it. The fact that bigotry still exists, that so many are afraid to talk about it, and that even fewer can sit down and debate points, should be a sign that more work on ourselves needs to be done.
And second, such discussions often point to the root of certain problems, and give clues as to how to remedy them...something that avoidance and denial would ....deny you the chance of ascertaining.
Take the civil rights movement- do you know much about it? They didn't just spring up ready to resist. They underwent serious community bonding, training, reflection, etc, to prepare them for resistance. Those that spring up willy nilly are just as quickly put back down, re-divided, and silenced. Those that take the time to share ideas, share experiences, and heal as a group do much better.
So if you want to fight a war with a large unattended wound in your belly, see how long you'll last. Uniting against a common enemy is an incredibly delicate, and unstable, operation. Uniting with a common vision is far more powerful and long lasting.
Think of it like this, if the elite or whatnot have a common vision they will always be more powerful as long as we don't. We can unite against an enemy and be repeatedly thwarted, growing more and more frustrated with one another, or we can unite for a common vision and emerge victorious. We need discussion, we need exchange, and we need respect for one another. Calling someone else's hardship a distraction can be seen as offensive, and be far more divisive than lending an ear.
I'm trying to remind everyone to keep their eye on the ball, or that offensive truth will become true. These diversities and such will become irrelevant, and we'll all be human livestock together. I know this is still a difficult reality for many to accept, but it is reality. We are nearly out of time with which to reverse this nonsense, you know.
I'm trying to remind people that if they enjoy diversity and culture, they are going to have to snap out of their own clicks for now and band together with all people. If they don't, they'll be forced to. And they aren't going to like it that way.
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I worked with a lot of refugees in the past and for the most part they did better than the idiots we hired who were born here. Most used the job as a jumping point to a better one after getting used to the US. One family I knew even went on to start their own businesses and buy houses within three years of getting here. I worked mostly with people from the Balkans and the Congo, the only ones that didn't work out at all were from Somalia they were a nightmare.
Er, when I say they don't do so well, I mean, they don't usually end up with PhDs, or filthy rich, aka in the realm of the elite.
Of course, it also depends on the community and where in the country they end up being placed.
Most people don't end up rich or with PhDs and I would not consider that a requirement for doing well and having a fulfilling life.
Yes yes of course. I got a bit over focused on the divide between rich and poor that I forgot about the middle class. I stand corrected on that. I was thinking about the relative super success of Asians who come here specifically for higher education and opportunities, and those who do not- who may end up middle class, or may end up lower class. In my city I know a lot of refugees who live in poor conditions, and I know that there are certain communities who fare worse than others when they come here. As opposed to the majority of upper caste asians who come for school and professions.
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Ignore the real enemy, guys. Mhm.
Dude.....what?
This is a good conversation going...at least I am enjoying it.
Ever heard the phrase "Know thyself"?
And I personally think these are distractions. Race, social class, gender. These make is OH SO EASY to divide us into factions. We're far stronger united, and people can argue about whos the most specialest snowflake after we're safe from tyranny. After we've won.
True and true. But conversations, debates, blowing off steam is necessary. It's like someone with PTSD, they can't just get up and walk away, they have to work through it, understand themselves in a different light, then move forward. Same with intergeneration-cultural PTSD. Gotta work through it. The fact that bigotry still exists, that so many are afraid to talk about it, and that even fewer can sit down and debate points, should be a sign that more work on ourselves needs to be done.
And second, such discussions often point to the root of certain problems, and give clues as to how to remedy them...something that avoidance and denial would ....deny you the chance of ascertaining.
Take the civil rights movement- do you know much about it? They didn't just spring up ready to resist. They underwent serious community bonding, training, reflection, etc, to prepare them for resistance. Those that spring up willy nilly are just as quickly put back down, re-divided, and silenced. Those that take the time to share ideas, share experiences, and heal as a group do much better.
So if you want to fight a war with a large unattended wound in your belly, see how long you'll last. Uniting against a common enemy is an incredibly delicate, and unstable, operation. Uniting with a common vision is far more powerful and long lasting.
Think of it like this, if the elite or whatnot have a common vision they will always be more powerful as long as we don't. We can unite against an enemy and be repeatedly thwarted, growing more and more frustrated with one another, or we can unite for a common vision and emerge victorious. We need discussion, we need exchange, and we need respect for one another. Calling someone else's hardship a distraction can be seen as offensive, and be far more divisive than lending an ear.
I'm trying to remind everyone to keep their eye on the ball, or that offensive truth will become true. These diversities and such will become irrelevant, and we'll all be human livestock together.
I disagree. Diversity is essential for survival. Recognizing that we are all life and all deserve respect and honesty is one thing. But diversity is not the same as division.
I am completely against total unision. That's like Hitler's vision. That's like military governance.
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Ignore the real enemy, guys. Mhm.
Dude.....what?
This is a good conversation going...at least I am enjoying it.
Ever heard the phrase "Know thyself"?
And I personally think these are distractions. Race, social class, gender. These make is OH SO EASY to divide us into factions. We're far stronger united, and people can argue about whos the most specialest snowflake after we're safe from tyranny. After we've won.
True and true. But conversations, debates, blowing off steam is necessary. It's like someone with PTSD, they can't just get up and walk away, they have to work through it, understand themselves in a different light, then move forward. Same with intergeneration-cultural PTSD. Gotta work through it. The fact that bigotry still exists, that so many are afraid to talk about it, and that even fewer can sit down and debate points, should be a sign that more work on ourselves needs to be done.
And second, such discussions often point to the root of certain problems, and give clues as to how to remedy them...something that avoidance and denial would ....deny you the chance of ascertaining.
Take the civil rights movement- do you know much about it? They didn't just spring up ready to resist. They underwent serious community bonding, training, reflection, etc, to prepare them for resistance. Those that spring up willy nilly are just as quickly put back down, re-divided, and silenced. Those that take the time to share ideas, share experiences, and heal as a group do much better.
So if you want to fight a war with a large unattended wound in your belly, see how long you'll last. Uniting against a common enemy is an incredibly delicate, and unstable, operation. Uniting with a common vision is far more powerful and long lasting.
Think of it like this, if the elite or whatnot have a common vision they will always be more powerful as long as we don't. We can unite against an enemy and be repeatedly thwarted, growing more and more frustrated with one another, or we can unite for a common vision and emerge victorious. We need discussion, we need exchange, and we need respect for one another. Calling someone else's hardship a distraction can be seen as offensive, and be far more divisive than lending an ear.
I'm trying to remind everyone to keep their eye on the ball, or that offensive truth will become true. These diversities and such will become irrelevant, and we'll all be human livestock together.
I disagree. Diversity is essential for survival. Recognizing that we are all life and all deserve respect and honesty is one thing. But diversity is not the same as division.
I am completely against total unision. That's like Hitler's vision. That's like military governance.
Yyyyyeah. That was what I said, dude. If we can't work together, we'll be FORCED to in the future.
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What state are you from?
A public school in the suburbs is like...a friggin college campus, carpeting on the floors... In the ghetto, it doesn't have computers, barely a playground, and no art or music classes.
First of all, its not SOLELY by state...it is state, then it's by county, and then it's by district, and a lot hangs on the nieghborhood. A rich neighborhood, they pay more taxes, the alumni make more donations, more money goes to the schools. In a poor neighborhood, less taxes, barely any alumni, and less money to schools. Simple math.
THERE YA GO: http://www.nytimes.com/2011/12/01/education/us-education-department-finds-salary-gap-in-poor-schools.html?_r=0 (http://www.nytimes.com/2011/12/01/education/us-education-department-finds-salary-gap-in-poor-schools.html?_r=0)
Know it's not only the state, but states that don't properly fund their schools have poor schools to begin with. The local community and PTA moms can't fix it. Of course there's a salary gap. Lost teachers here so quickly, there's a program in place for 'certification'. People without degrees, how's that? The state must meet the burden of the basic needs of the public school system. Everything else is gravy.
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Ok. well since it seems to be bothering you, I'll try to leave the "you guys are dating" out of it. I truly don't care but you can think I do
I don't think anything of myself. my posts are a refelction of what I see happening, nothing more
I am racist. if loving my race makes me one, then fine. Just because the news media has painted everybody with a broad brush stroke as such who happens to be white, and proud isn't my problem. I'm also no mysoginist, I love women. I love talking to women, and I occasionally masturbate to adams picture, ;)
Just because I have an argument with the duck doesn't mean I am a woman hater
I happen to think everyone on planet earth is a fucking idiot at one point or another, so that I will agree with
There is nothing wrong with being proud of being white. What you show is not pride but supremacy. :tard: too bad you fail to see the difference. Herp derp
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How does someone find pride in a generic trait? I'm so proud to be tall; I've worked so hard to be a tall person; look and all I've accomplished. I'm so proud of myself.
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How does someone find pride in a generic trait? I'm so proud to be tall; I've worked so hard to be a tall person; look and all I've accomplished. I'm so proud of myself.
You miss the point. Let me cut off all but the important part.
I'm so proud of myself.
Now tweak it just a bit...
I'm so proud to be myself.
There. You see now?
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Though one's self is also a result of genetics.
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Something like affirmative action, yes I find that racist since I find it patronising they can't hire ie. a black person for their skill and only doing so for the colour of his skin.
Wouldn't be as much of a problem if it was tweaked to declare that the person with higher qualification gets highest priority. So in a situation of a black having greater qualification than a white candidate, they are guaranteed the job strictly for the merit of his/her skill, rather than discarded because of their race. Ironically, isn't that what affirmative action should really be doing? Ensuring education is rewarded and equal opportunities are granted?
Affirmative action- what it actually is meant to do is protect minorities from discrimination. It's a fact that very few employers actually hire strictly on the merit of qualification. A lot of hiring has to do with perceived qualification, and also the willingness of the employer to work with someone. If someone is highly qualified but the employer dislikes them, it's within their right not to hire them.
Now, it is generally perceived as much easier for a person to relate to other people of their same community. If the majority of employers start out as male, white, upper/middle class, neurotypical, it is very likely they will favour people of their similar culture- mainly because it is who they are used to working with, and who they are used to serving.
I hate it when people assume that employers hire strictly based on qualification. That's a goddamn lie. It ain't unnatural to want to hire people who you feel comfortable with (or who your team will feel comfortable with), in fact that is good hiring practice.
The only problem is, the way society was- only a certain culture of people (male, white, upper/middle class), who have been favoured for centuries, are the people in the power positions. People don't open their minds if don't have too. They prefer comfort and constancy.
Anyone of any minority knows that in order for people such as that to hire someone outside of their general community, they need an INCENTIVE. Thats what affirmative action does. If nothing else, businessmen and politicians understand incentives...it is therefore logical to apply one for the quickest results.
http://www.nyc.gov/html/cchr/pdf/race_report_web.pdf (http://www.nyc.gov/html/cchr/pdf/race_report_web.pdf)
http://www.econ.brown.edu/fac/glenn_loury/louryhomepage/teaching/Ec%20137/pager_testers_nyc_discrimination.pdf (http://www.econ.brown.edu/fac/glenn_loury/louryhomepage/teaching/Ec%20137/pager_testers_nyc_discrimination.pdf)
http://rollingout.com/politics/employers-prefer-white-felons-over-blacks-with-no-criminal-record-so-how-will-blacks-feed-their-families/ (http://rollingout.com/politics/employers-prefer-white-felons-over-blacks-with-no-criminal-record-so-how-will-blacks-feed-their-families/)
Some horrifying shite. White felons can more easily get some jobs than black people with clean CORIs.
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Though one's self is also a result of genetics.
Its also the result of the burning spirit within you, and how potent you choose to let it be.
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Something like affirmative action, yes I find that racist since I find it patronising they can't hire ie. a black person for their skill and only doing so for the colour of his skin.
Wouldn't be as much of a problem if it was tweaked to declare that the person with higher qualification gets highest priority. So in a situation of a black having greater qualification than a white candidate, they are guaranteed the job strictly for the merit of his/her skill, rather than discarded because of their race. Ironically, isn't that what affirmative action should really be doing? Ensuring education is rewarded and equal opportunities are granted?
Affirmative action- what it actually is meant to do is protect minorities from discrimination. It's a fact that very few employers actually hire strictly on the merit of qualification. A lot of hiring has to do with perceived qualification, and also the willingness of the employer to work with someone. If someone is highly qualified but the employer dislikes them, it's within their right not to hire them.
Now, it is generally perceived as much easier for a person to relate to other people of their same community. If the majority of employers start out as male, white, upper/middle class, neurotypical, it is very likely they will favour people of their similar culture- mainly because it is who they are used to working with, and who they are used to serving.
I hate it when people assume that employers hire strictly based on qualification. That's a goddamn lie. It ain't unnatural to want to hire people who you feel comfortable with (or who your team will feel comfortable with), in fact that is good hiring practice.
The only problem is, the way society was- only a certain culture of people (male, white, upper/middle class), who have been favoured for centuries, are the people in the power positions. People don't open their minds if don't have too. They prefer comfort and constancy.
Anyone of any minority knows that in order for people such as that to hire someone outside of their general community, they need an INCENTIVE. Thats what affirmative action does. If nothing else, businessmen and politicians understand incentives...it is therefore logical to apply one for the quickest results.
http://www.nyc.gov/html/cchr/pdf/race_report_web.pdf (http://www.nyc.gov/html/cchr/pdf/race_report_web.pdf)
http://www.econ.brown.edu/fac/glenn_loury/louryhomepage/teaching/Ec%20137/pager_testers_nyc_discrimination.pdf (http://www.econ.brown.edu/fac/glenn_loury/louryhomepage/teaching/Ec%20137/pager_testers_nyc_discrimination.pdf)
http://rollingout.com/politics/employers-prefer-white-felons-over-blacks-with-no-criminal-record-so-how-will-blacks-feed-their-families/ (http://rollingout.com/politics/employers-prefer-white-felons-over-blacks-with-no-criminal-record-so-how-will-blacks-feed-their-families/)
Some horrifying shite. White felons can more easily get some jobs than black people with clean CORIs.
What about black felons?
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I'm so proud to be myself.
There. You see now?
No, don't see. Have a positive self-esteem, but can't remember ever finding self-worth in any birthright. It's odd. It's impossible for me to see.
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There are no more "spirits" in humans than in animals or plants.
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That's lovely. :)
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I'm so proud to be myself.
There. You see now?
No, don't see. Have a positive self-esteem, but can't remember ever finding self-worth in any birthright. It's odd. It's impossible for me to see.
YOU SHOULD BE PROUD OF EVERTHING ABOUT YOURSELF, YOU DUMMY. >:(
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:laugh: Human pride space dust for the win. Watchout trees!
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Being proud of your skin colour is stupid. Your skin colour does not give you any benefits.
That said, dark skin has some advantages in terms of avoiding sunburn.
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Something like affirmative action, yes I find that racist since I find it patronising they can't hire ie. a black person for their skill and only doing so for the colour of his skin.
Wouldn't be as much of a problem if it was tweaked to declare that the person with higher qualification gets highest priority. So in a situation of a black having greater qualification than a white candidate, they are guaranteed the job strictly for the merit of his/her skill, rather than discarded because of their race. Ironically, isn't that what affirmative action should really be doing? Ensuring education is rewarded and equal opportunities are granted?
Affirmative action- what it actually is meant to do is protect minorities from discrimination. It's a fact that very few employers actually hire strictly on the merit of qualification. A lot of hiring has to do with perceived qualification, and also the willingness of the employer to work with someone. If someone is highly qualified but the employer dislikes them, it's within their right not to hire them.
Now, it is generally perceived as much easier for a person to relate to other people of their same community. If the majority of employers start out as male, white, upper/middle class, neurotypical, it is very likely they will favour people of their similar culture- mainly because it is who they are used to working with, and who they are used to serving.
I hate it when people assume that employers hire strictly based on qualification. That's a goddamn lie. It ain't unnatural to want to hire people who you feel comfortable with (or who your team will feel comfortable with), in fact that is good hiring practice.
The only problem is, the way society was- only a certain culture of people (male, white, upper/middle class), who have been favoured for centuries, are the people in the power positions. People don't open their minds if don't have too. They prefer comfort and constancy.
Anyone of any minority knows that in order for people such as that to hire someone outside of their general community, they need an INCENTIVE. Thats what affirmative action does. If nothing else, businessmen and politicians understand incentives...it is therefore logical to apply one for the quickest results.
http://www.nyc.gov/html/cchr/pdf/race_report_web.pdf (http://www.nyc.gov/html/cchr/pdf/race_report_web.pdf)
http://www.econ.brown.edu/fac/glenn_loury/louryhomepage/teaching/Ec%20137/pager_testers_nyc_discrimination.pdf (http://www.econ.brown.edu/fac/glenn_loury/louryhomepage/teaching/Ec%20137/pager_testers_nyc_discrimination.pdf)
http://rollingout.com/politics/employers-prefer-white-felons-over-blacks-with-no-criminal-record-so-how-will-blacks-feed-their-families/ (http://rollingout.com/politics/employers-prefer-white-felons-over-blacks-with-no-criminal-record-so-how-will-blacks-feed-their-families/)
Some horrifying shite. White felons can more easily get some jobs than black people with clean CORIs.
Such an example can't be fixed with affirmative action, especially if the discrimination still exists.
It's better to fix the discrimination rather than masking it. Sadly this may take a few generations as this society is still held back by previous generations.
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Something like affirmative action, yes I find that racist since I find it patronising they can't hire ie. a black person for their skill and only doing so for the colour of his skin.
Wouldn't be as much of a problem if it was tweaked to declare that the person with higher qualification gets highest priority. So in a situation of a black having greater qualification than a white candidate, they are guaranteed the job strictly for the merit of his/her skill, rather than discarded because of their race. Ironically, isn't that what affirmative action should really be doing? Ensuring education is rewarded and equal opportunities are granted?
Affirmative action- what it actually is meant to do is protect minorities from discrimination. It's a fact that very few employers actually hire strictly on the merit of qualification. A lot of hiring has to do with perceived qualification, and also the willingness of the employer to work with someone. If someone is highly qualified but the employer dislikes them, it's within their right not to hire them.
Now, it is generally perceived as much easier for a person to relate to other people of their same community. If the majority of employers start out as male, white, upper/middle class, neurotypical, it is very likely they will favour people of their similar culture- mainly because it is who they are used to working with, and who they are used to serving.
I hate it when people assume that employers hire strictly based on qualification. That's a goddamn lie. It ain't unnatural to want to hire people who you feel comfortable with (or who your team will feel comfortable with), in fact that is good hiring practice.
The only problem is, the way society was- only a certain culture of people (male, white, upper/middle class), who have been favoured for centuries, are the people in the power positions. People don't open their minds if don't have too. They prefer comfort and constancy.
Anyone of any minority knows that in order for people such as that to hire someone outside of their general community, they need an INCENTIVE. Thats what affirmative action does. If nothing else, businessmen and politicians understand incentives...it is therefore logical to apply one for the quickest results.
http://www.nyc.gov/html/cchr/pdf/race_report_web.pdf (http://www.nyc.gov/html/cchr/pdf/race_report_web.pdf)
http://www.econ.brown.edu/fac/glenn_loury/louryhomepage/teaching/Ec%20137/pager_testers_nyc_discrimination.pdf (http://www.econ.brown.edu/fac/glenn_loury/louryhomepage/teaching/Ec%20137/pager_testers_nyc_discrimination.pdf)
http://rollingout.com/politics/employers-prefer-white-felons-over-blacks-with-no-criminal-record-so-how-will-blacks-feed-their-families/ (http://rollingout.com/politics/employers-prefer-white-felons-over-blacks-with-no-criminal-record-so-how-will-blacks-feed-their-families/)
Some horrifying shite. White felons can more easily get some jobs than black people with clean CORIs.
Such an example can't be fixed with affirmative action, especially if the discrimination still exists.
It's better to fix the discrimination rather than masking it. Sadly this may take a few generations as this society is still held back by previous generations.
What alternatives would you suggest?
(If you already posted an answer to this, link me to it? I did read a bit in the spaces between what I quoted and here, but I skimmed a lot.)
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What alternatives would you suggest?
Fixing issues with institutionalised racism in a direct manner, ie. try to make interviews as unbiased as possible (focus more on ability than race/gender etc.), improve education in minority sections, etc.
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What alternatives would you suggest?
Fixing issues with institutionalised racism in a direct manner, ie. try to make interviews as unbiased as possible (focus more on ability than race/gender etc.), improve education in minority sections, etc.
Well, OK, yes, but that will take somewhere between a long time, and until hell freezes over. What about the interim?
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There's no quick fix for the interim. This kinda stuff will take a few generations.
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Being proud of your skin colour is stupid. Your skin colour does not give you any benefits.
That said, dark skin has some advantages in terms of avoiding sunburn.
Not being proud of every aspect of yourself is stupid. Living a life with a mediocre opinion of your own body and mind does not give you any benefits. That said, there are a lot just like you in this generation. Self hating, pathetic cunts.
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I don't hate or like my skin colour. I fail to see the reason to.
I'm proud of my abilities, which is something that does matter.
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I've never felt proud or ashamed of my skin colour. That said, I do feel proud of some interesting markings on my body- birth marks, strange scars, freckles. etc.
Di you know that the shape of your butt is actually the result of scarring from when it was originally folded over and fused together?
Your butt crack is a scar LOL.
Yes I am proud of my body for it's genetic decision making accomplishments. I mean- imagine what went on in the womb that half of the top part of my foot ended up white skinned, and part of the sole ended up brown? Whoa.
It is an accomplishment indeed. ...Although, for my foot, I like to think my DNA got confused for a second.
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I don't hate or like my skin colour. I fail to see the reason to.
I'm proud of my abilities, which is something that does matter.
Because its part of you. To hell with racism.
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I've never felt proud or ashamed of my skin colour. That said, I do feel proud of some interesting markings on my body- birth marks, strange scars, freckles. etc.
Di you know that the shape of your butt is actually the result of scarring from when it was originally folded over and fused together?
Your butt crack is a scar LOL.
Yes I am proud of my body for it's genetic decision making accomplishments. I mean- imagine what went on in the womb that half of the top part of my foot ended up white skinned, and part of the sole ended up brown? Whoa.
It is an accomplishment indeed. ...Although, for my foot, I like to think my DNA got confused for a second.
Reminds me of beavis and butthead calling 911 and saying they have a huge crack in their asses.
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I don't hate or like my skin colour. I fail to see the reason to.
I'm proud of my abilities, which is something that does matter.
Because its part of you. To hell with racism.
The way I see it is that my colour is only really an arbitrary reflection of light at a specific wavelength. I cannot be proud of something so arbitrary, especially if I can appear in different colours under various wavelengths of light. I'm ghost white in IR, yet purple in UV. Hell, I'm see through in X-ray wavelengths!
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There's no quick fix for the interim. This kinda stuff will take a few generations.
There's the issue. It's a little bit harsh to say "Sorry, you're going to have to deal with absolutely no compensation for the discrimination you and your children and your children's children will face, because anything short of slow social change is a bandaid solution."
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No one's saying people should put up with it. I'm just saying such quick fixes like affirmative action only really harms in the long run. For example, bad education services leaves a lot of minorities ill-equipped for the jobs they've a chance to get into due to affirmative action, even though they should have been. Sorting out proper education would be better than quotas or leniency due to race, since they will be much better prepared and thus become more productive workers.
What people should start doing is fixing the problems I outlined earlier, make companies employ purely by ability (how the person presents themselves and showing their skills) of the person rather than race/gender etc. and in general teach people to stop being pricks about race. This may take a while, but it's better to start here than to do nothing.
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Being proud of your skin colour is stupid. Your skin colour does not give you any benefits.
That said, dark skin has some advantages in terms of avoiding sunburn.
Not being proud of every aspect of yourself is stupid. Living a life with a mediocre opinion of your own body and mind does not give you any benefits. That said, there are a lot just like you in this generation. Self hating, pathetic cunts.
Not being proud of our skin colour does not have to mean hating your skin colour or being ashamed of it
It's stupid to be proud of ANYTHING that you had no control over. I am not proud of being white, having green eyes or being born in the UK. I am GLAD I was born in the UK, sure, and there are plenty of things I like about it. But I didn't have to pass a test to be born here. I am proud of what I have achieve. Not what I just happen to be.
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It's stupid to be proud of ANYTHING that you had no control over.
:agreed:
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I am proud of my butthole. My butthole is a superior butthole. :M
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I am proud of my butthole. My butthole is a superior butthole. :M
:mischief:
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Not being proud of every aspect of yourself is stupid. Living a life with a mediocre opinion of your own body and mind does not give you any benefits. That said, there are a lot just like you in this generation. Self hating, pathetic cunts.
I'm proud I was born filthy stinking rich. :trollface:
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Not being proud of every aspect of yourself is stupid. Living a life with a mediocre opinion of your own body and mind does not give you any benefits. That said, there are a lot just like you in this generation. Self hating, pathetic cunts.
I'm proud I was born filthy stinking rich. :trollface:
(https://encrypted-tbn2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcR6CINVMqaQdyGUxmCPqH2_nsyEx606MjKeZZ6a5rt1vbwc6LTL)
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Being proud of your skin colour is stupid. Your skin colour does not give you any benefits.
That said, dark skin has some advantages in terms of avoiding sunburn.
Not being proud of every aspect of yourself is stupid. Living a life with a mediocre opinion of your own body and mind does not give you any benefits. That said, there are a lot just like you in this generation. Self hating, pathetic cunts.
Not being proud of our skin colour does not have to mean hating your skin colour or being ashamed of it
It's stupid to be proud of ANYTHING that you had no control over. I am not proud of being white, having green eyes or being born in the UK. I am GLAD I was born in the UK, sure, and there are plenty of things I like about it. But I didn't have to pass a test to be born here. I am proud of what I have achieve. Not what I just happen to be.
I am proud of who I am, and you can't fucking take it away you VAMPIRE ALIEN PENIS SHEATH WEARING CUNTS. >:( >:( >:( >:(
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Being proud of your skin colour is stupid. Your skin colour does not give you any benefits.
That said, dark skin has some advantages in terms of avoiding sunburn.
Not being proud of every aspect of yourself is stupid. Living a life with a mediocre opinion of your own body and mind does not give you any benefits. That said, there are a lot just like you in this generation. Self hating, pathetic cunts.
Not being proud of our skin colour does not have to mean hating your skin colour or being ashamed of it
It's stupid to be proud of ANYTHING that you had no control over. I am not proud of being white, having green eyes or being born in the UK. I am GLAD I was born in the UK, sure, and there are plenty of things I like about it. But I didn't have to pass a test to be born here. I am proud of what I have achieve. Not what I just happen to be.
I am proud of who I am, and you can't fucking take it away you VAMPIRE ALIEN PENIS SHEATH WEARING CUNTS. >:( >:( >:( >:(
^You seem a bit overly-defensive there....
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Being proud of your skin colour is stupid. Your skin colour does not give you any benefits.
That said, dark skin has some advantages in terms of avoiding sunburn.
Not being proud of every aspect of yourself is stupid. Living a life with a mediocre opinion of your own body and mind does not give you any benefits. That said, there are a lot just like you in this generation. Self hating, pathetic cunts.
Not being proud of our skin colour does not have to mean hating your skin colour or being ashamed of it
It's stupid to be proud of ANYTHING that you had no control over. I am not proud of being white, having green eyes or being born in the UK. I am GLAD I was born in the UK, sure, and there are plenty of things I like about it. But I didn't have to pass a test to be born here. I am proud of what I have achieve. Not what I just happen to be.
I am proud of who I am, and you can't fucking take it away you VAMPIRE ALIEN PENIS SHEATH WEARING CUNTS. >:( >:( >:( >:(
^You seem a bit overly-defensive there....
No such thing, when it comes to property, and I am my property.
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No one's saying people should put up with it. I'm just saying such quick fixes like affirmative action only really harms in the long run. For example, bad education services leaves a lot of minorities ill-equipped for the jobs they've a chance to get into due to affirmative action, even though they should have been. Sorting out proper education would be better than quotas or leniency due to race, since they will be much better prepared and thus become more productive workers.
What people should start doing is fixing the problems I outlined earlier, make companies employ purely by ability (how the person presents themselves and showing their skills) of the person rather than race/gender etc. and in general teach people to stop being pricks about race. This may take a while, but it's better to start here than to do nothing.
That sounds like a good idea in theory, but wicked hard to enforce. :/
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It is hard, because there is so many problems to begin with.
Just because it's hard, doesn't mean it can't be done.
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Why should interviews be fface to face? We now have instant m$essenger , so people can chat via text. If applicants were given a number, not a race, sex or physoical appearance, an employer would be forced to look at qualifications and nothing else.
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How you present yourself and talk are also very important, so that's why.
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How you present yourself and talk are also very important, so that's why.
This is very true. There are highly qualified people, who are gibbering wrecks, or who come across as slimy.
I would never judge someone on their qualifications alone.
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OXYCLEAN: Get It On The Ball (Floor) Remix- RIP Billy Mays (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qPyAUZHVJ5A#)
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Youtube Poop: Billy Mays' Super-Powered Hard-on (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XtbMo6iq1ik#)
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Not being proud of every aspect of yourself is stupid. Living a life with a mediocre opinion of your own body and mind does not give you any benefits. That said, there are a lot just like you in this generation. Self hating, pathetic cunts.
I'm proud I was born filthy stinking rich. :trollface:
(https://encrypted-tbn2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcR6CINVMqaQdyGUxmCPqH2_nsyEx606MjKeZZ6a5rt1vbwc6LTL)
But I'm genuinely proud of myself, man, because I should be proud, so I am. :green:
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Not being proud of every aspect of yourself is stupid. Living a life with a mediocre opinion of your own body and mind does not give you any benefits. That said, there are a lot just like you in this generation. Self hating, pathetic cunts.
I'm proud I was born filthy stinking rich. :trollface:
(https://encrypted-tbn2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcR6CINVMqaQdyGUxmCPqH2_nsyEx606MjKeZZ6a5rt1vbwc6LTL)
But I'm genuinely proud of myself, man, because I should be proud, so I am. :green:
Knock it off Schleed. You'll get nowhere with me.
(https://encrypted-tbn1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQp1WFZw0oV6GSpny3Vk_w_DLJubYZsisG0gEqD6mL5itPIcnlNu_YemQ)
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It's not me. :zoinks:
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What's wrong with being proud about having a lot of money, especially if one works very hard to earn it? Or your family? Isn't money the societal measuring stick? Unless someone is advocating strict socialism or communism it would seem that being proud of your money is pretty basic.
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It's not me. :zoinks:
Must be Jag then. Only you two have the "impression" skill.
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What's wrong with being proud about having a lot of money, especially if one works very hard to earn it? Or your family? Isn't money the societal measuring stick? Unless someone is advocating strict socialism or communism it would seem that being proud of your money is pretty basic.
Being wealthy is fine. Being "elite" is anti human.
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Ask Odeon for the IP address and find out. :P
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Ask Odeon for the IP address and find out. :P
Why?
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Ask Odeon for the IP address and find out. :P
Why?
It could be Butterflies. She did a lovely job as me to rile up Meadow. It wasn't an accurate depiction, but it was hilarious.
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Ask Odeon for the IP address and find out. :P
Why?
It could be Butterflies. She did a lovely job as me to rile up Meadow. It wasn't an accurate depiction, but it was hilarious.
Naaaah. :laugh:
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Not being proud of every aspect of yourself is stupid.
That's right!$!$ :headbang2:
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Why should interviews be fface to face? We now have instant m$essenger , so people can chat via text. If applicants were given a number, not a race, sex or physoical appearance, an employer would be forced to look at qualifications and nothing else.
Because like it or not, face-to-face matters a great deal.
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Why should interviews be fface to face? We now have instant m$essenger , so people can chat via text. If applicants were given a number, not a race, sex or physoical appearance, an employer would be forced to look at qualifications and nothing else.
Because like it or not, face-to-face matters a great deal.
It does depending on the line of work. Being in sales, acting or m$odeling. But what about jobs with far less interaction? At what pint does emphasis on physical presentation become doiscriminatory?
Abeercrrombie and Fitch has a "look policy" that was under controversy. A Muslim employee was fired for wearing a head scarf. Was she right to sue them?
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Why should interviews be fface to face? We now have instant m$essenger , so people can chat via text. If applicants were given a number, not a race, sex or physoical appearance, an employer would be forced to look at qualifications and nothing else.
Haven't you ever talked to someone on the phone or online and they seemed all right but when you met them in person they creeped you the fuck out?
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Why should interviews be fface to face? We now have instant m$essenger , so people can chat via text. If applicants were given a number, not a race, sex or physoical appearance, an employer would be forced to look at qualifications and nothing else.
Haven't you ever talked to someone on the phone or online and they seemed all right but when you met them in person they creeped you the fuck out?
Nope. :autism:
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Why should interviews be fface to face? We now have instant m$essenger , so people can chat via text. If applicants were given a number, not a race, sex or physoical appearance, an employer would be forced to look at qualifications and nothing else.
Because like it or not, face-to-face matters a great deal.
It does depending on the line of work. Being in sales, acting or m$odeling. But what about jobs with far less interaction? At what pint does emphasis on physical presentation become doiscriminatory?
Abeercrrombie and Fitch has a "look policy" that was under controversy. A Muslim employee was fired for wearing a head scarf. Was she right to sue them?
I'm not talking about just physical appearance, I'm talking about how you conduct yourself when with other people. If you are to meet customers and I want to hire you, that's going to be very important. Yes, I know, spazzes may not have the advantage here and life isn't fair, but it's important.
If you are an in-house developer (speaking strictly of what I know), all that is less important, but it's not unimportant either. If I was to hire a person for that line of work, I'd be more interested in his or her ability to work in a team. In addition to the actual qualifications, obviously.
And I can't comment on whether that person was in right in suing. I don't know the facts. The media will most likely give a rather one-sided view of it, though. It's simply how these things work.
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As said before, if it was purely on academic skills then a lot of aspies would get in.
Sadly, this stuff is important. Makes sense too really, unless I was offering jobs that literally required no social or presentation skills.
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Why should interviews be fface to face? We now have instant m$essenger , so people can chat via text. If applicants were given a number, not a race, sex or physoical appearance, an employer would be forced to look at qualifications and nothing else.
Haven't you ever talked to someone on the phone or online and they seemed all right but when you met them in person they creeped you the fuck out?
I've done online dating. Therefore yes. :zoinks:
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How you interact with people can be even more important than academic qualifications. In fact, I'd say it often is unless you're working in something tech/science based.
Even if you don't have to deal with customers etc, you're probably gonna be in an office, possibly working in a small team of people.
That's why they need to meet you
That said, Idon't think interviews should have to be really gruelling and intimidating.
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How you interact with people can be even more important than academic qualifications. In fact, I'd say it often is unless you're working in something tech/science based.
Even if you don't have to deal with customers etc, you're probably gonna be in an office, possibly working in a small team of people.
That's why they need to meet you
That said, Idon't think interviews should have to be really gruelling and intimidating.
No, they certainly shouldn't. Interviews should be about them getting to know a bit about you, but also about you getting to know a bit about them. It's a two-way street.
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Confidence is often key too, I've noticed. I've fucked up a lot of interviews simply due to me being too nervous.
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Indeed. I think it's important to practise some of the more common questions and answers.
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Confidence is often key too, I've noticed. I've fucked up a lot of interviews simply due to me being too nervous.
I said that. Overflowing power coming out of your eyes like a solar flare is key.
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Confidence is often key too, I've noticed. I've fucked up a lot of interviews simply due to me being too nervous.
I said that. Overflowing power coming out of your eyes like a solar flare is key.
I once saw a movie about a guy like that
(http://hollywoodhatesme.files.wordpress.com/2010/04/cyclops-x-men.jpg)
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How did Rage not get called out for being a conspiracy loon on this one?? :dunno: