Agenda 21

[Jesse]

Where is it? Where's my government healthcare option? Where's my Obamacare?

Dude that is what I am saying. I have yet to feel the sting, of this so called mandate

[Parts]

Obamacare is not what you or many other think it is,  it's NOT heath insurance it's a mandate that you buy heath insurance or get fined.  Only full time people will be able to get it through work so a lot of places are only hiring part timers to get around the rules.  Part time people have to get it on their own through insurance exchanges or get fined.  All insurance companies have been raising their prices in anticipation of it.  We get it through my wife's work and our cost is 600-800 a month for the family plan on your own it would be double or more.  So how are all these part timer low wage types going to pay for that?

It's also killing a lot of small businesses, because they're now required to provide health insurance. Since the employer bears half the cost of premiums, they either can't afford it or they can only offer their employees crappy insurance policies that don't cover much more than what's paid in each year in monthly payments. It's crap.

Businesses are getting a year extension on their end of it but individuals are not.  Without a real public option like Canada it just will not work

[Jack]

No one's going to get anything.

[Jesse]

No one's going to get anything.

I know. haha, oh well. I will still be going to the ER to see my dentist then,

[Parts]

No one's going to get anything.

One good nugget that was in it is that your kids can stay on your insurance till they are 26 which is saving my son some money anyway

[Jack]

Yes, that one was good for people who have/afford insurance.

[odeon]

Businesses are getting a year extension on their end of it but individuals are not.  Without a real public option like Canada it just will not work

Isn't the current Obamacare a stripped-down version of what he originally suggested?

[Adam]

omg rage, Obama is not a fucking socialist

[Jack]

Businesses are getting a year extension on their end of it but individuals are not.  Without a real public option like Canada it just will not work

Isn't the current Obamacare a stripped-down version of what he originally suggested?

No, it isn't.

[RageBeoulve]

omg rage, Obama is not a fucking socialist

I disagree.

[RageBeoulve]

Anti-American ideas steering my country towards anti-American values? ATTACK. Just the way it is, man.

The people in the US I have nothing against, but the US itself? For the most part, it fucking sucks. I'd much prefer my national healthcare and other aspects that most European countries embrace. Your country is often false and tacky (particularly your TV). Your country's foreign policy is atrocious and to me, the most damning.

However, the recent developments like "Obamacare" is a welcome change, and is gradually showing how the US is maturing as a country. Next thing the US should do is to stop acting like they're the world police.

If I were to visit, It would mostly be for the food really. At least the food's awesome. The price of the dollar is brilliant too, which means I can get stuff MUCH cheaper from the US than buying it here.

If they don't like this country, they can fuck off somewhere else.

So what if they don't like it? I think they've a right to stay as much as you do. Kicking out people for having different views and opinions only really erodes personal liberties even further.

I don't subscribe to blind patriotism. I don't have to like my country in order to stay here, especially once I'm not committing crimes and contributing to society. In fact, I hate my country and most of it's inhabitants - but I have friends here, a family and an education to go through.

Obamacare is not what you or many other think it is,  it's NOT heath insurance it's a mandate that you buy heath insurance or get fined.  Only full time people will be able to get it through work so a lot of places are only hiring part timers to get around the rules.  Part time people have to get it on their own through insurance exchanges or get fined.  All insurance companies have been raising their prices in anticipation of it.  We get it through my wife's work and our cost is 600-800 a month for the family plan on your own it would be double or more.  So how are all these part timer low wage types going to pay for that?

Exactly. Its just another government power grab, and i'm sick of it. The government is enormous already.

[Adam]

If you had an NHS then you wouldn't have to worry about the low wage workers not being able to afford their healthcare

[Gopher Gary]

If you had an NHS then you wouldn't have to worry about the low wage workers not being able to afford their healthcare

If the government would go into the health insurance business, like Obama promised to do, then low wage workers could have an affordable insurance option.

[El]

We've had about as close as the US comes to universal healthcare in Massachusetts for awhile.  I think because of that, the way obamacare is impacting MA is sort of unique.  I'm bracing myself for what it's going to do to my field (as is everyone else in healthcare, I'd imagine).

Obamamcare still seems like a very good idea in theory, which is being implemented shittily in practice.

[Jack]

More states should start doing it on their own too.