INTENSITY²
Start here => What is Intensity²? => Topic started by: Yuri Bezmenov on January 01, 2019, 05:19:37 AM
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Once again, site activity drops, members leave and we fail to recruit anyone new.
The only plus is that we had some old members pop their heads in.
How much longer can this go on??
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Where do all the people who get banned everywhere else hang out these days? Not to mention the nutty conspiracy theorists and stupid people who think they're smart? These are the lifeblood of I^2! I mean I only tick two of those boxes and I'm here.
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Jack voted never.
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Here's some graphs, since Hubert isn't here to make them.
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For me, until I die. Then it won't matter.
Isn't this downturn a common phase of organizations/internet stuff? Now there are few younger members on Facebook. Instagram is the new hangout.
Also I think that autism is now one of the "golden child" of society. It's more accepted so folks don't need a safe/weird place as much.
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It's like everything else in life, it will be here until it isn't or we die...
Then before it falls into the endless void, maybe someone will pull it up on the way, way back machine or something similar...scratch their head, post some of the threads somewhere and people will say...."who where those assholes?"
Everything changes, nothing is forever.
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I edited your stupid poll. It was missing an option. Fucking wanker.
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Came to think of it, it was missing two options.
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Why do the stats show so many more new members than the member list?
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I edited your stupid poll. It was missing an option. Fucking wanker.
Came to think of it, it was missing two options.
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Narcissists always respond to ego damage. you're as predictable as the tides.
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Where do all the people who get banned everywhere else hang out these days? Not to mention the nutty conspiracy theorists and stupid people who think they're smart? These are the lifeblood of I^2! I mean I only tick two of those boxes and I'm here.
:lol1:
I arguably tick the same two. unless you got banned everywhere else?
I like that people have to try really hard to get banned here :)
But then again, it gets a little bit tedious when they do try really hard :LOL:
oh! I went for "bewbs" , but that was more my opinion on the poll than an answer as such (Oops! trust a Spazz to state the obvious ::) )
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I got banned from here and 4chan for posting my name address and picture when I was having a psychotic episode. :hahaha:
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Where do all the people who get banned everywhere else hang out these days? Not to mention the nutty conspiracy theorists and stupid people who think they're smart? These are the lifeblood of I^2! I mean I only tick two of those boxes and I'm here.
:lol1:
I arguably tick the same two. unless you got banned everywhere else?
I like that people have to try really hard to get banned here :)
But then again, it gets a little bit tedious when they do try really hard :LOL:
oh! I went for "bewbs" , but that was more my opinion on the poll than an answer as such (Oops! trust a Spazz to state the obvious ::) )
Yes, same two. I've never been banned or even warned on any forum. I'm actually on my very worst behaviour at I^2, in case you couldn't tell. I'm usually much nicer.
With some of the characters we have on here, being the owner or the head admin (of this forum or any other they are likely to be members of) is basically the same thing as having a big target painted on your back. No matter how thick skinned you are, there are those who will chip away at any perceived sore spots year after year, trying to get you to use your buttons, just so they can go all drama llama about it when you do.
The difference is that everywhere else they simply get banned, often repeatedly banned.
So the reality is, IMO, I^2 will have had its day when putting up with the antics of the resident drama llamas becomes too much for Odeon.
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Why do the stats show so many more new members than the member list?
Maybe the bots that register but fail the CAPTCHA become part of the statistics?
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I edited your stupid poll. It was missing an option. Fucking wanker.
Came to think of it, it was missing two options.
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Narcissists always respond to ego damage. you're as predictable as the tides.
I'm a narcissist for reacting to your hoping I drop dead? As MOSW pointed out, you would have been banned anywhere but here by now. You again tried your best to piss me off and you succeeded to some extent since I bothered to edit your poll. Congrats, well done. Exactly how does that equal me being a narcissist rather than you being a twerp?
It's your MO we're witnessing here, not mine.
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Online interaction is like two hungry cannibals sucking each other off in a classic 69 - it requires trust.
:thumbup:
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That might be a Newsbox nomination.
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Had to edit the poll again since Scwappy didn't want to own up to being a wanker.
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I got banned from here and 4chan for posting my name address and picture when I was having a psychotic episode. :hahaha:
lol - self DOXing is a banning offense?
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I got banned from here and 4chan for posting my name address and picture when I was having a psychotic episode. :hahaha:
lol - self DOXing is a banning offense?
hmm. could have been banned for her own protection. or for the other psychotic stuff. or - hey! :light bulb: how could admins know for sure that she was really doxxing herself? because she says so? :LOL: Could have been part of a crafty vendetta against a hated neighbour, couldn't it?
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I got banned from here and 4chan for posting my name address and picture when I was having a psychotic episode. :hahaha:
lol - self DOXing is a banning offense?
Umm, I think she got this wrong.
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Had to edit the poll again since Scwappy didn't want to own up to being a wanker.
Had to edit the poll again since odeot didn't want to own up to being a narcissist.
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I got banned from here and 4chan for posting my name address and picture when I was having a psychotic episode. :hahaha:
lol - self DOXing is a banning offense?
I was so annoyed, I posted the screenshot that still contained my address on 8chan.
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Had to edit the poll again since Scwappy didn't want to own up to being a wanker.
Had to edit the poll again since odeot didn't want to own up to being a narcissist.
Wanker. Edited.
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Why do the stats show so many more new members than the member list?
Maybe the bots that register but fail the CAPTCHA become part of the statistics?
It's really annoying that you don't know. :laugh: Isn't there some admin discussion forum where you can find out? Bots that register and pass the captcha would make more sense. As far as I know, the member list doesn't display banned members. Can't you see all of your members?
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I got banned from here and 4chan for posting my name address and picture when I was having a psychotic episode. :hahaha:
lol - self DOXing is a banning offense?
Umm, I think she got this wrong.
What did I get wrong? I posted my name and adress on here and left for months then came back and was banned. Also, I still have the screen cap of the 4chan ban.
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Why do the stats show so many more new members than the member list?
Maybe the bots that register but fail the CAPTCHA become part of the statistics?
It's really annoying that you don't know. :laugh: Isn't there some admin discussion forum where you can find out? Bots that register and pass the captcha would make more sense. As far as I know, the member list doesn't display banned members. Can't you see all of your members?
Ah, but the number of people registering is not the same as the number of members. :laugh:
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I got banned from here and 4chan for posting my name address and picture when I was having a psychotic episode. :hahaha:
lol - self DOXing is a banning offense?
Umm, I think she got this wrong.
What did I get wrong? I posted my name and adress on here and left for months then came back and was banned. Also, I still have the screen cap of the 4chan ban.
Your posting your name and address here had nothing whatsoever to do with your ban here.
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Regardless, I'm just to have you back DFG. I was worried about you back then when you'd lost it for a bit. And was dismayed to see you banned. Especially since....damn, one usually has to REALLY act like a complete and utter piece of shit to get banned from here. Just look at how long we over-tolerated that faggot mdagli or whatever it's name was, he only got banned when he REALLY, REALLY went past 'too far', even threatening to massacre schoolkids didn't get the cunt banned; all DFG did was turn really hyper and squirrely in the head for a bit, which IMO, strikes me as unfair double standards.
We should have looked out for our own, done our best to help her down, not fucking ban her.
Although, even though I think management was unfair to you there DFG, and that we ought to have treated you better, especially with it being obvious that you weren't yourself, I'm really happy to have you back here. I'd missed you.
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Why do the stats show so many more new members than the member list?
Maybe the bots that register but fail the CAPTCHA become part of the statistics?
It's really annoying that you don't know. :laugh: Isn't there some admin discussion forum where you can find out? Bots that register and pass the captcha would make more sense. As far as I know, the member list doesn't display banned members. Can't you see all of your members?
Ah, but the number of people registering is not the same as the number of members. :laugh:
To clarify, SMF shows new registrations for deleted accounts.
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I got banned from here and 4chan for posting my name address and picture when I was having a psychotic episode. :hahaha:
lol - self DOXing is a banning offense?
Umm, I think she got this wrong.
What did I get wrong? I posted my name and adress on here and left for months then came back and was banned. Also, I still have the screen cap of the 4chan ban.
Your posting your name and address here had nothing whatsoever to do with your ban here.
The reason for my ban said " repeated d0xxing" so I'd like to know who's address or phone number I put on here? I have a screencap of your banning reason, too.
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Bastet, sorry my memory is a bit vague, but you certainly doxxed other people than yourself, I just can't recall whom. Maybe other members can confirm? The evidence will surely be gone, ofc.
There was one heckova furore over this psychotic episode of yours. A lot of ugly things were said- and not only by yourself. I recall that you alienated some of your supporters by being an
absolute bitch towards them and others. The word "unforgivable " was used. As you might expect, a number of people were pissed off with Odeon for not banning you. And for a while it seemed like everybody was at everybody elses throats. Much butthurt was triggered. Much salt was rubbed into festering wounds.
Then the doxxing started , and Odeon felt he had no realistic choice but ban you. No stopping you otherwise. IIRC the overwhelming consensus (some sadly, some jubilantly) was in agreement with Odeon on that point; and also the consensus was that you were deliberately doing your damnedest to get yourself banned.
I accept that you weren't at all well, so personally, I'm entirely willing to forgive you all that, and hope that others feel the same way , Clearly, you're pretty sore about being banned, and clearly you don't recall the half of it... which might be something of a mercy, so I'm not gonna go and on about it. But hey! give Odeon a break, hmm? He resisted banning you til the last. That's a fact.
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I got banned from here and 4chan for posting my name address and picture when I was having a psychotic episode. :hahaha:
lol - self DOXing is a banning offense?
Umm, I think she got this wrong.
What did I get wrong? I posted my name and adress on here and left for months then came back and was banned. Also, I still have the screen cap of the 4chan ban.
Your posting your name and address here had nothing whatsoever to do with your ban here.
The reason for my ban said " repeated d0xxing" so I'd like to know who's address or phone number I put on here? I have a screencap of your banning reason, too.
You posted the real names of several people here, including mine (in the karma log), and then promised to do the same on FB. You went from warned to sinbinned to banned pretty fast, IIRC. Did you forget all of this?
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And Walkie is right - I didn't want to ban you. I thought you were going through something and hoped you'd get over it.
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Why do the stats show so many more new members than the member list?
Maybe the bots that register but fail the CAPTCHA become part of the statistics?
It's really annoying that you don't know. :laugh: Isn't there some admin discussion forum where you can find out? Bots that register and pass the captcha would make more sense. As far as I know, the member list doesn't display banned members. Can't you see all of your members?
Ah, but the number of people registering is not the same as the number of members. :laugh:
The statistic is for new members.
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Oh look - Odeon's back to destroying free speech by editing poll options.
Joy! This place sure lives up to what it was intended as
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Oh look - Odeon's back to destroying free speech by editing poll options.
Joy! This place sure lives up to what it was intended as
Yep. Here's's a similar example of somebody destroying free speech in the film Love actually:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=idsYsqRrVPg
(NB,. Just in in case of confusuion, I should say: the band, Blue didn't really declare that they had little pricks . It was just that intellectually dishonest character, Billy Mack making it look like they were saying that)
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Narcissists always respond to ego damage. you're as predictable as the tides.
I'm a narcissist for reacting to your hoping I drop dead?
That isn't what I said, I was merely noting the fact that the would is better off without you in it.
As MOSW pointed out, you would have been banned anywhere but here by now.
Bullshit! Neither Dunc nor McJagger would say half the inflammatory shit that you say to me, which you then try to blame me for and accuse me of starting shit when anyone can look at the posts and see that you started it. Lying, projecting hypocrite!
You again tried your best to piss me off and you succeeded to some extent since I bothered to edit your poll. Congrats, well done. Exactly how does that equal me being a narcissist rather than you being a twerp?
I wasn't even trying to piss you off, you just have a hair trigger these days because you're no longer surrounded by the army of sycophants you had in the past and that makes you feel insecure, just like a narcissist.
It's your MO we're witnessing here, not mine.
::) Projecting again.
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Oh look - Odeon's back to destroying free speech by editing poll options.
Joy! This place sure lives up to what it was intended as
Yep. Here's's a similar example of somebody destroying free speech in the film Love actually:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=idsYsqRrVPg
(NB,. Just in in case of confusuion, I should say: the band, Blue didn't really declare that they had little pricks . It was just that intellectually dishonest character, Billy Mack making it look like they were saying that)
It's more than that. For one thing, der Fuhrer here obliterated the actual words, and voting. It was even done
(due to the way SMF works) without recording the fact in a visible manner.
It's a habit with our Fearless Leader to use his admin powers in such a manner. I mean sure,
Scrap's obnoxious as all hell sometimes (like here), but the reaction is worse than the original offense.
Moreover, one expects more (not less) from those in power.
And it's not like he hasn't acted in just such a manner, unprovoked, in the past.
He's a fucking baby.
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I got banned from here and 4chan for posting my name address and picture when I was having a psychotic episode. :hahaha:
lol - self DOXing is a banning offense?
Umm, I think she got this wrong.
What did I get wrong? I posted my name and adress on here and left for months then came back and was banned. Also, I still have the screen cap of the 4chan ban.
Your posting your name and address here had nothing whatsoever to do with your ban here.
The reason for my ban said " repeated d0xxing" so I'd like to know who's address or phone number I put on here? I have a screencap of your banning reason, too.
You posted the real names of several people here, including mine (in the karma log), and then promised to do the same on FB. You went from warned to sinbinned to banned pretty fast, IIRC. Did you forget all of this?
I don’t remember everything and I won’t go into detail how little I was thinking of this place when I had voices in my head telling me to do crazy shit. I was burnt out and angry at some offline bullshit that I vomited all over my Facebook about. I believe you, but I didn’t think posting just persons name equated to d0xxing. I posted my name and address and was a combination of ragey and manic and was being trolled by the very eerily lucid voices in my head. They actually taught me things I never knew like paysan is French for peasant. They had me pronouncing it properly, too. I actually had to look them up to confirm this when I realized they lied about a lot of things. They were very funny to talk to.
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Oh look - Odeon's back to destroying free speech by editing poll options.
Joy! This place sure lives up to what it was intended as
Yep. Here's's a similar example of somebody destroying free speech in the film Love actually:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=idsYsqRrVPg
(NB,. Just in in case of confusuion, I should say: the band, Blue didn't really declare that they had little pricks . It was just that intellectually dishonest character, Billy Mack making it look like they were saying that)
It's more than that. For one thing, der Fuhrer here obliterated the actual words, and voting. It was even done
(due to the way SMF works) without recording the fact in a visible manner.
It's a habit with our Fearless Leader to use his admin powers in such a manner. I mean sure,
Scrap's obnoxious as all hell sometimes (like here), but the reaction is worse than the original offense.
Moreover, one expects more (not less) from those in power.
And it's not like he hasn't acted in just such a manner, unprovoked, in the past.
He's a fucking baby.
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I agree with a lot of your points , Cal, but not your conclusion. You forget this was never actually a serious thread, just a self-evident bit of dick-waving of a type we;ve seen countless times before. Odeon's response was a self-evidently childish prank of a type that , arguably, ought to be beneath a forum admin, but " the reaction is worse than the original offense" ? Don't make me laugh.
Odeon's reaction, for the record, was to insert "Scrap is a wanker" as every poll option (though the votes were not altered- for what that;'s worth"). Scap's counter to that is to change every option to "odeot molests little boys" which is of an entire;y different order to the "Wanker " taunt isn't it? Indeed, people have been known to quit I^2 in a huff over Odeon's refusal to treat sex crime taunts as a bannable offense. That one really gets peoples hackles up, not just Odeon's.
Unless you actually buy Scrap's little conspiracy theory that Odeon's "abuses of power" are merely the tip of the iceberg, and we;re really looking at a power-mad narcissist, surrounded by a cohort of sycophants. then it's pretty damned clear that Scrap's behaviour is worse.
I've never see4n anything to suggest that Odeon's overt behaviour us merely the tip of the iceberg. Looks to me that what you see is pretty much what you get.
What I'm looking at here is a sort of "playground monitor loses his rag" situation. Nothing more sinister than that,. Shouldn't happen in an ideal world , like you said., but What the heck, playground monitors sometuimes turn out to be human...even on Spazz boards. There's actually been a thread about that (can't be arsed with looking it up) where a few of us had a bit of a go at Odeon about it, and a reasonable discussion ensued. is Scrap inviting a reasonable discussion? the hell he is.
Well that all goes to show how right you are when you say " Scrap's obnoxious as all hell sometimes", doesn't it?
When I was looking at this thread earlier, i wondered to myself if scrap had twigged that Odeon has reason to feel a tad more vulnerable today? or if he might just have the humanity to lay off awhile, once he does twig it?
Just found my answer FFS:
http://www.intensitysquared.com/index.php/topic,19253.msg1201670.html#msg1201670
So, Odeon's a baby, if you like. Or rather, odeon can be pricked into using his Admin tooks in a thoroughly childish fashion. Dear me,. Civilizatuion will come to an end if we let this go on.
I've been on fora where the Admin surreptitiosly deleted dozens of (active) user accounts, on the suspicion those users were malcontents . And I've been on fora where consensus said that that the site owner has every right to act like a petty tyrant, if he pleases., even down to surreptitios deletions , public slander and abusive PMs ...well, ok though , those latter two made people pretty damned nervous though, even to the point of creating yet more actual malcontents ripe for deletion. One of those Admins just pulled the plug on the whole damned forum eventually- without so much as a second's notice. Now that is tyranny. That is abuse of power.
Needless to say, scrap wouldn't havbe lasted ten seconds on one of those other fora; and nobody would ever have known where he got to; they'd just be encouraged to assume that he quit. of his own accord.
I really don't see you , I, Scrap, or anyone here, including Odeon, ever allowing that sort of thing to take root on I^2. . The childish japes are not the tip of the iceberg , they;re the whole damned story, IMO., and somebody's being a drama llama about it. Or something. I don't see anybody acting like a grown up...well, nobody except for those who maintain a cautious distance from the whole sorry show.
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... but I didn’t think posting just persons name equated to d0xxing.
It doesn't. Not generally. Hell, many places require that you use your real name.
Odeon has special rules, probably for personal reasons.
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... but I didn’t think posting just persons name equated to d0xxing.
It doesn't. Not generally. Hell, many places require that you use your real name.
Odeon has special rules, probably for personal reasons.
I knew I was right. I did make some threats I reread, so I'd imagine he was scared a google search from an employer would bring them here. Lol
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He's a fucking baby.
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I agree with a lot of your points , Cal, but not your conclusion.
Oh come on. He can't take shit, and over-reacts to nearly everything that makes
fun of him or his friends. It's not like I called him a monster. He's a fucking baby.
You forget this was never actually a serious thread
No, I didn't. Doesn't mean he can 'play fair'.
the reaction is worse than the original offense" ? Don't make me laugh.
The offense was being an ass. An appropriate response is NOT to escalate things to admin powers.
So yes, the offense is actually FAR worse than Scrap using the ability every one of us has to create
annoying threads. The only mitigating factor is that it didn't mean much. Unlike other actions
that this little dictator has used previously.
Unless you actually buy Scrap's little conspiracy theory that Odeon's "abuses of power" are merely the tip of the iceberg, and we;re really looking at a power-mad narcissist, surrounded by a cohort of sycophants. then it's pretty damned clear that Scrap's behaviour is worse.
Nope. I don't think that he rises to that level. I think he's a fucking baby. One who has consistently
abused power here. And seems to get off on whatever positive herd reaction he has gotten from the past
(maybe still some?) from his bullying use of that power.
I've never see4n anything to suggest that Odeon's overt behaviour us merely the tip of the iceberg. Looks to me that what you see is pretty much what you get.
Yeah. I think silencing the speech of others at a forum is about as far as it can go, that we can see. How he'd
react if given any actual ability to make life better or worse for anyone is a complete mystery to me. I know
that I wouldn't trust someone, based on the behavior he's shown here, to anything approaching real power.
But, there are probably worse people in the police departments and local governments all over.
What I'm looking at here is a sort of "playground monitor loses his rag" situation. Nothing more sinister than that,. Shouldn't happen in an ideal world , like you said., but What the heck, playground monitors sometuimes turn out to be human...even on Spazz boards. There's actually been a thread about that (can't be arsed with looking it up) where a few of us had a bit of a go at Odeon about it, and a reasonable discussion ensued. is Scrap inviting a reasonable discussion? the hell he is.
Ok. I'll buy that. It's the hypocrisy which gets me. How, other than making this into a money making operation,
this place is honestly no better than WP now.
You don't see Pyraxis or any of the other admins pulling this shit. They're not perfect, I'm sure. They're
just not fucking babies.
http://www.intensitysquared.com/index.php/topic,19253.msg1201670.html#msg1201670
So, Odeon's a baby, if you like.
Thanks. Yes. That was my conclusion. That this WHOLE screed was supposed to disagree with?
Damn. Why am I wasting my time wading through this?
Let me guess, somehow in the rest of it you're trying to disprove my conclusion again?
It doesn't really look that way.
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... but I didn’t think posting just persons name equated to d0xxing.
It doesn't. Not generally. Hell, many places require that you use your real name.
Odeon has special rules, probably for personal reasons.
I knew I was right. I did make some threats I reread, so I'd imagine he was scared a google search from an employer would bring them here. Lol
Or something
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Doxing is publishing personal information or identifying details on the internet. And I expect Odeon to be diligent when it comes to that.
Nothing else that happens on here matters to me at all.
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So, Odeon's a baby, if you like.
Thanks. Yes. That was my conclusion. That this WHOLE screed was supposed to disagree with?
Damn. Why am I wasting my time wading through this?
Let me guess, somehow in the rest of it you're trying to disprove my conclusion again?
It doesn't really look that way.
Ok, it's a fair cop :) I wasn't even trying to disprove that statement. Maybe shoulda said "conclusions plural? or some other phrasing altogether , cos I do strongly disagree with certain OTT statements of yours, of the "This place is as bad as WP" ilk.
I've never been seriously involved in WP , but it does sound uncomfortably close to those other fora that I talked about , going by what I;ve heard about the place. Though not quite that bad to be fair, it certainly had (or has?) surreptitious bannings, and genuine suppression of free speech. to the point that criticism of Admin was suppressed, and so was mention of any "rival " fora suppressed
It was actually that (overtly stated) suppression of information that stopped me getting involved in WP way back when it first started out . There was already a thriving spazz network, and I was a member of a couple of those "rival " fora that Alex didn't want to "advertise for free" . He;d come to us, when WP was still in the planning stage, full of questions, and we'd given him loads of ideas and advice and publicity. cos that was the way the spazz network was. Nobody thought it was a competition, and that very notion was offensive to most of the rest of us, and that supression of the free exchange pf information got a lot of peoples' alarm bells ringing. So I stayed clear, and when I started hearing stories from WP mods, i was not at all surprised. But i can't claim intimate knowedge of that forum.
Be that as it may, the notion that Odeon silences all crticism of himself is laughable, and Scrap's posts here form part of the proof! Making snarky comebacks is not the same thing as supression at all. Banning might be used to supress free speech ofc, but here it only ever seems to serve to interrupt a guy from banging on the same tune he's plastered all over the forum already; and I don't see any subsequent editing, save here and there for (arguably) comic effect. We all know that tune by heart already.
Frankly, it pisses me off when anybody bangs on about supression of free speech on this forum, because that makes me think they have no idea what that's really like. I only got to know what it's really like because, for some reason, I'm the kind of person that people tend to spill to, when they;'ve reached the end of their tether, and when their self-esteem has been so badly damaged that they hardly dare speak to anyone at all. And I've been privilileged to be shown the PMs and e-mails (often from Mods and Admins) that served to get them into that state.; and it kinda snowballed from there and i got to find out more and more about the rotten underbelly. That hasn't happened here, to my knowlwedge, and I'd be bloody amazed to find out that was happening, The aggression is all on the surface at I^2 , isn't it? :LOL: I might find that horribly tedious at times, but , at the same time i find it reassuring.
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Walkie, it's obvious from your recent posts that you see odeons behavior through rose colored glasses and view my responses to his shitty behavior in an uncharitable manner to say the least.
Please do us all a favor and quit pretending that you have some kind of unbiased opinion here. ::)
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Would you care to lead by example, Scrap?
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Jesus Christ, Walkie.
Its really not that bad and Odeon is good in comparison and considering he gets called out on shit, he is very good in his duties.
The above is paraphrased but is that generally the shit sandwich you are asking us to chew on and swallow?
We can say I2 is not WP and no one has pretended it was in any way shape or form. We can say that Admins Can and have in the past been more authoritarian than Odeon and so on. NONE of this makes ANY defence of ANY point that has been discussed by anyone.
So with that ALL pushed aside as being COMPLETELY redundant. What are we actually arguing, critiquing or arguing (no point arguing at cross-purposes or from a redundant standpoint):
Odeon IS increasingly Authoritarian. Where he is today is NOT where he was 10 years ago and where he was 5 years ago is not where he is today and where he was 2 or 3 years ago is not where he is today and it is getting steadily worse and measurably so.
This is NOT Scrap or Cal or I being precious or delusional.
It would be the height of ridiculous to look at Odeon's want to change the poll settings in isolation and defend this one instance as being set aside from every other instance of him doing similar or worse and treating all of them as not part of a pattern and defending them being that IS bias and disingenuous. You are better than that Walkie.
He HAS threatened both Scrap and I with bans and NOT for doing anything outside the rules but because we pissed him off. He has threatened to quit because he was not getting his way and was not about to man up and admit his part and responsibility in a lot of shit of his own making.
You were there for much of this, you CAN NOT pretend you were completely obvious to it
Unlike some other forums where this kind of bullshit has gone on, we are predominately a small intimate group of long-term 30-60 year olds and are neither taking in new comers or doing anything to reinvigorate the forum. Some of the shit he is playing may fly when you are on WP. Worse will fly. Lose a member you have lost one active member of maybe 1000 that will log in that month. Lose Scrap, Lose QV, Lose Walkie, Lose Al. ANY member will be felt. That is why there is so much excitement and notice to the away/back threads. I want you mentally think what culling a dozen of the most active members would do to this board. You would be looking at a ghost town. Every member is integral even the ones we do not see eye to eye to.
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I appreciate you keeping your hair on, Al. And I don't want to argue with you, excepr to observe that you know damned well I've been critical of Odeon at times. This just isn't one of those times. Right now, i'm attempting to counterbalance Scrap's excesses ...as I do honestly see it. Looks like we'll just have to agree to differ on that.
Unlike some other forums where this kind of bullshit has gone on...
umm, but hang on, just to be clear, I'm not claiming that this kind of bullshit goes on anywhere else. Almost everywhere else, to the best of my knowledge, suspicion and hostilty get swept out of sight , where they becomes something else, something much more destructive , IMO. Kudos to I^2 for not going that route. *shudder * .
We don't have the shiny, happy, friendly exterior that other fora have , and we don't have the rotten core either, IMO.
we are predominately a small intimate group of long-term 30-60 year olds and are neither taking in new comers or doing anything to reinvigorate the forum.
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Lose a member you have lost one active member of maybe 1000 that will log in that month. Lose Scrap, Lose QV, Lose Walkie, Lose Al. ANY member will be felt. That is why there is so much excitement and notice to the away/back threads. I want you mentally think what culling a dozen of the most active members would do to this board. You would be looking at a ghost town. Every member is integral even the ones we do not see eye to eye to.
well, amen to that. Seriously. I certainly agree with you there. :) And i'm surely not trying to say that we should ban anybody.
:apondering: and neither should we drive folk away if we can possibly help it, but that's probably asking too much :(
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... but I didn’t think posting just persons name equated to d0xxing.
It doesn't. Not generally. Hell, many places require that you use your real name.
Odeon has special rules, probably for personal reasons.
*groan*
These are not my rules.
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No this is not drama but it is a point of contention
I have an idea why Walkie is framing it the way she is and minimising some aspects and downplaying other aspects. Doesn't mean it is not worth disputing nor drama when it is. Perhaps you could drama it up some?
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... but I didn’t think posting just persons name equated to d0xxing.
It doesn't. Not generally. Hell, many places require that you use your real name.
Odeon has special rules, probably for personal reasons.
*groan*
These are not my rules.
Sure you do. Why was I sinbinned and why did I have the mod put on me. Why did you threaten to ban me? Special rules.
Why were people saying shit about MY children not modded why were the people who did it to yours get modded?
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You don't see Pyraxis or any of the other admins pulling this shit. They're not perfect, I'm sure. They're
just not fucking babies.
Remind me. When were they last targeted in polls or posts?
Fuck off, Cal. Your bullshit is as transparent as it ever was.
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... but I didn’t think posting just persons name equated to d0xxing.
It doesn't. Not generally. Hell, many places require that you use your real name.
Odeon has special rules, probably for personal reasons.
*groan*
These are not my rules.
Sure you do. Why was I sinbinned and why did I have the mod put on me. Why did you threaten to ban me? Special rules.
Why were people saying shit about MY children not modded why were the people who did it to yours get modded?
Were you trying to answer a different question? One that you wanted to discuss, maybe?
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You don't see Pyraxis or any of the other admins pulling this shit. They're not perfect, I'm sure. They're
just not fucking babies.
Remind me. When were they last targeted in polls or posts?
Fuck off, Cal. Your bullshit is as transparent as it ever was.
As is yours. How often do you neg Scrap with pissy little "Admin Abuse" type reasons. Don't even try to take a moral high ground or pretend you are simply hitting back. You do what you always do. You engage as a member, You fight as a member, People engage you as a member, they piss you of and you escalate to use tools they cannot use because you unlike them are an Admin.
You are weak as piss and everyone knows this. Cal is not saying anything crazy or outlandish. This is water is wet kind of stuff.
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... but I didn’t think posting just persons name equated to d0xxing.
It doesn't. Not generally. Hell, many places require that you use your real name.
Odeon has special rules, probably for personal reasons.
*groan*
These are not my rules.
Sure you do. Why was I sinbinned and why did I have the mod put on me. Why did you threaten to ban me? Special rules.
Why were people saying shit about MY children not modded why were the people who did it to yours get modded?
Were you trying to answer a different question? One that you wanted to discuss, maybe?
You have a set of rules for you and a different set for your member base. Duh.
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You don't see Pyraxis or any of the other admins pulling this shit. They're not perfect, I'm sure. They're
just not fucking babies.
Remind me. When were they last targeted in polls or posts?
Fuck off, Cal. Your bullshit is as transparent as it ever was.
Good call. I'm Pretty sure 'I've heard pyraxis make the exact same point before ...well, minus the "fuck off Cal " part. (But then, like you said, she wasn't wearing a target, was she? That surely helps in keeping one's cool)
Heck I wish she were here. she is damned good at cutting through the crap. (besides which, I just miss her )
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Al:
Cry me a fucking river. Your MO is always to join in to attack me. You don't give a fuck unless it's about me. Don't pretend it's about something else for you than your monumental butthurt.
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Al:
Cry me a fucking river. Your MO is always to join in to attack me. You don't give a fuck unless it's about me. Don't pretend it's about something else for you than your monumental butthurt.
I don't have to be butthurt or cry a river. I call it like I see it. I do not give much of a fuck how much this upsets you or not. I think you acting out is all good with me as I am able to stack up more and more instances that prove the points I make.
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Ok, it's a fair cop :) I wasn't even trying to disprove that statement. Maybe shoulda said "conclusions plural? or some other phrasing altogether , cos I do strongly disagree with certain OTT statements of yours, of the "This place is as bad as WP" ilk.
You're right. During the period when I was unbanned at WP, until the very end, it was far better
than this now. The only real free speech difference between WP in its heyday and I2, in its, was
that I2 allowed porn.
But, Alex didn't have the conviction to stick to any one model. At least not without someone
being his moral support.
Be that as it may, the notion that Odeon silences all crticism of himself is laughable,
No one said that. Then again, Alex was completely hands off AND supported free speech pretty
much as broadly as possible.
During that period, almost no one was banned (and trust me, Kosmo tried so damned hard).
On the other hand, not only has Odeon banned people, deleted and edited posts, but he's also
made all of single people's posts unreadable (I was the test case), because he and his little coterie
couldn't face the truth of what was being said.
Making snarky comebacks is not the same thing as supression at all. Banning might be used to supress free speech ofc, but here it only ever seems to serve to interrupt a guy from banging on the same tune he's plastered all over the forum already; and I don't see any subsequent editing, save here and there for (arguably) comic effect. We all know that tune by heart already.
Given that he's abused the editing power in the past, for more substantive reasons, and I'm sure would
again, has threatened bans for personal attacks on him, yeah, I think I'll trust your interpretation over
the one that I've formed over a decade of experience.
The aggression is all on the surface at I^2 , isn't it?
Something else you are sadly mistaken about.
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... but I didn’t think posting just persons name equated to d0xxing.
It doesn't. Not generally. Hell, many places require that you use your real name.
Odeon has special rules, probably for personal reasons.
*groan*
These are not my rules.
Oh really? Given that the Democracy was killed, and you tend to dictate by fiat now,
whose are they?
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You don't see Pyraxis or any of the other admins pulling this shit. They're not perfect, I'm sure. They're
just not fucking babies.
Remind me. When were they last targeted in polls or posts?
Fuck off, Cal. Your bullshit is as transparent as it ever was.
Pretty sure they're not fucking babies if tested. The thing is, they fail to piss anyone off with their behavior.
But Callaway, whom I have no love for, WAS targeted. I don't remember her jumping in and
performing admin functionality to stroke here ego the way you do.
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You don't see Pyraxis or any of the other admins pulling this shit. They're not perfect, I'm sure. They're
just not fucking babies.
Remind me. When were they last targeted in polls or posts?
Fuck off, Cal. Your bullshit is as transparent as it ever was.
Good call. I'm Pretty sure 'I've heard pyraxis make the exact same point before ...well, minus the "fuck off Cal " part. (But then, like you said, she wasn't wearing a target, was she? That surely helps in keeping one's cool)
Heck I wish she were here. she is damned good at cutting through the crap. (besides which, I just miss her )
Ah look - there IS still a butt licker around
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Cal, your description of WP comes as a surprise. Maybe Alex changed for the better at some point? Tthe only thing I know, directly from personal experience (as oppsed to hearsay) that he did , from the outset, was delete all "advertisement" (i.e. any references) of "rival" fora (as he conceived it) . That much was explicit in the rules, and constitutes a significant repression of free speech, IMO, besides being cynical as all-get-out as to what the spazz community was all about. Besides which, that neatly let it slip that he was regarding WP as a commercial enterprise rather than a public service, didn't it? though the latter was not made explicit ( and some peope who made donations felt that they'd been scammed. onve they realised) That said, he was a teenager back then. Did that change, later on?
Oh! he also stole the name "Wrong Planet" from another site, which got up people's noses. of course, but lets focus on the "freedom of speech " issue.
The other significant repression of free speech on WP , IMO, comes from hearsay (but from pretty reliable sources) . which is that Alex would unceremoniously ban people just for criticising him- even by PM! as well as erasing said criticism, so the board was chockfull of shiny happy people on the face of it.
WP isn't the only place that operated like that. But if you want freedom of speech, then freedom to criticise authority figures is probably the most impiortant aspect of that. Take that away, and all sorts of outrages become possible. So that's something that I particularly look for in a spazz forum.
So, yeah I'm reassured by the fact that posts criticising Odeon are in evidence all over the place, in entirely unnecessary quantities. I'm confident that the only posts that were actually removed were posts thast went to the extemes of doxxing and out-and-out libel wrt to RL. Obviously we differ there, but if you 're calling Odeon's occasional usage of the Blabberiser, or his modifyng Scraps little poll, a "repression of free speech" then that's laughable, IMO. You can call it childish; you can make a good case for "inappropriate usage of Mod Tools, occassioned by butthurt" but repression of free speech? FFS, Scrap wasn't saying anything we hadn't heard before, and it wasn't what you'd call a serious crit, just another nasty little taunt.
Some people will keep pushing into that grey area between reasonable criticism and gratuitous personal attacks. In fact , they gleefully push right through that grey area and out the other side. Where do you draw the line? That's the really big problem on I^2 . the line has become so blurred that you can't draw it anywhere at all without being accused of inconsistency, etc., and there's a whole bunch of people ready tio jump on Odeon's back whenever he tries to draw that line, whether in regard to attacks on himself or attacks on others. He quite literally can't do right. That he's been triggered into responding in like kind more than once only makes that task more impossible. More fool him, but what's done is done and there appears to be no going back from there now
So , Odeon's stuck as whipping boy , no matter what , but free speech is alive and well in spirit, if not according to every single spazzes over-literal, pernickety to the nth degree letter. And pissing all over it surely won't improve that situation. That just gives shedloads of our vistors the impression that freedom of speech is a really bad idea. :(
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PS. Cal, it's no secret that Pyraxis and I are friends IRL , also no secret that I've precious few friends left these days (on account of a recent spate of deaths) so ofc I fucking miss her. Also, it's surely no surprise that I agree with other peoples' positive assessment of her moderating skills. Call that butt licking if you like ::)
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Al:
Cry me a fucking river. Your MO is always to join in to attack me. You don't give a fuck unless it's about me. Don't pretend it's about something else for you than your monumental butthurt.
I don't have to be butthurt or cry a river. I call it like I see it. I do not give much of a fuck how much this upsets you or not. I think you acting out is all good with me as I am able to stack up more and more instances that prove the points I make.
/shrugs
Your every post confirms your butthurt.
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... but I didn’t think posting just persons name equated to d0xxing.
It doesn't. Not generally. Hell, many places require that you use your real name.
Odeon has special rules, probably for personal reasons.
*groan*
These are not my rules.
Oh really? Given that the Democracy was killed, and you tend to dictate by fiat now,
whose are they?
:wanker:
You killed that experiment almost entirely by yourself but you always forget that little detail.
As for doxxing, that rule was in effect when Dunc ran this place. It really seems like you have selective amnesia again.
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You don't see Pyraxis or any of the other admins pulling this shit. They're not perfect, I'm sure. They're
just not fucking babies.
Remind me. When were they last targeted in polls or posts?
Fuck off, Cal. Your bullshit is as transparent as it ever was.
Pretty sure they're not fucking babies if tested. The thing is, they fail to piss anyone off with their behavior.
But Callaway, whom I have no love for, WAS targeted. I don't remember her jumping in and
performing admin functionality to stroke here ego the way you do.
Callaway isn't here. Py, Parts and Renaeden are. Are you being deliberately dishonest? You sure have a way of rewriting things to fit your bullshit.
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Cal, your description of WP comes as a surprise. Maybe Alex changed for the better at some point?
Alex changed many times. Remember, he was a kid when he started the site.
That said, he was a teenager back then. Did that change, later on?
Yes. I believe he no longer is a teen. :D
He was during the liberal period I referred to.
The other significant repression of free speech on WP , IMO, comes from hearsay (but from pretty reliable sources) . which is that Alex would unceremoniously ban people just for criticising him- even by PM! as well as erasing said criticism, so the board was chockfull of shiny happy people on the face of it.
He was almost entirely hands-off during the period of which I speak - and since, AFAIK, given that he
suggested I come back, but couldn't unban me without upsetting his staff.
WP isn't the only place that operated like that. But if you want freedom of speech, then freedom to criticise authority figures is probably the most impiortant aspect of that. Take that away, and all sorts of outrages become possible. So that's something that I particularly look for in a spazz forum.
Agreed. And having all your posts obfuscated (as Odeon did to me and others) is, IMO, worse than
banning. It's bullying and taunting, on top of silencing.
if you 're calling Odeon's occasional usage of the Blabberiser,
Occasional my ass. He used it to silence opposition to closing down the democracy experiment here.
then that's laughable,
Yeah, okay. Silencing your opposition at a key moment, for a significant period.
You must think Putin's a riot.
IMO. You can call it childish; you can make a good case for "inappropriate usage of Mod Tools, occassioned by butthurt" but repression of free speech? FFS, Scrap wasn't saying anything we hadn't heard before, and it wasn't what you'd call a serious crit, just another nasty little taunt.
So here's the gripe there: only those we supposedly should trust have access to the admin panel.
I don't give a shit if Odeon did what any other member could do, even if one SHOULD expect a bit
more than we do of those not in positions of power. But no. He goes beyond not simply wading into
the tiresome tactics of not responding with anything but the bullshit single word or image posts
to sometimes serious complaints, but he also abuses the admin powers themselves, to further
his ends in bullying.
Some people will keep pushing into that grey area between reasonable criticism and gratuitous personal attacks
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Yep. And there's ONE staff member whose petty ways encourage that behavior.
These things escalate, but Odeon's got such a fragile ego, he can't bear being attacked.
Very much like Alex - just with different retaliatory practices.
Like I said, a fucking baby. Not what you'd want to entrust a community to.
He quite literally can't do right.
I have more hope that this isn't an incurable personality flaw. That rather, he could actually
learn from others as to how to engage without just making himself seem a bigger baby each time.
That he's been triggered into responding in like kind more than once only makes that task more impossible. More fool him, but what's done is done and there appears to be no going back from there now
Maybe not for him - or perhaps you'd be the same. Others learn to grow up.
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PS. Cal, it's no secret that Pyraxis and I are friends IRL , also no secret that I've precious few friends left these days (on account of a recent spate of deaths) so ofc I fucking miss her. Also, it's surely no surprise that I agree with other peoples' positive assessment of her moderating skills. Call that butt licking if you like ::)
It's not her ass your tongue is twirling in.
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... but I didn’t think posting just persons name equated to d0xxing.
It doesn't. Not generally. Hell, many places require that you use your real name.
Odeon has special rules, probably for personal reasons.
*groan*
These are not my rules.
Oh really? Given that the Democracy was killed, and you tend to dictate by fiat now,
whose are they?
:wanker:
You killed that experiment almost entirely by yourself but you always forget that little detail.
As for doxxing, that rule was in effect when Dunc ran this place. It really seems like you have selective amnesia again.
1. No. It took a vote, led by you and your little coterie, to destroy the democracy. I merely demonstrated what
was wrong with not properly creating sustainable systems. My goal was to create a stronger one, which wouldn't
be easily manipulated. But, you (and others) were too lazy. It was a fairly close vote, IIRC.
2. Ok, so you inherited and maintain a rather unique definition for the term. It's yours now.
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You don't see Pyraxis or any of the other admins pulling this shit. They're not perfect, I'm sure. They're
just not fucking babies.
Remind me. When were they last targeted in polls or posts?
Fuck off, Cal. Your bullshit is as transparent as it ever was.
Pretty sure they're not fucking babies if tested. The thing is, they fail to piss anyone off with their behavior.
But Callaway, whom I have no love for, WAS targeted. I don't remember her jumping in and
performing admin functionality to stroke here ego the way you do.
Callaway isn't here. Py, Parts and Renaeden are. Are you being deliberately dishonest? You sure have a way of rewriting things to fit your bullshit.
You're not even making sense. Or you're trying to avoid the point - which is that there ARE adults who
have been here. People (unlike you) who don't go around utilizing the admin panel for pure spite.
Yes, I had to dig into the past to find someone with an abrasive personality who managed to annoy the
shit out quite a few people with her 'holier than thou' attitudes, because the current crop of admins are
all well liked for their maturity in both handling their admin role and in dealing with others in general.
Maybe her particular flaw was instrumental in her NOT abusing the panel - it would be wrong.
Yours, that you're a fucking baby, more or less ensures that you'll react this way.
But, one can learn not to be a fucking baby. It's a lot harder to accept you're not some
incorruptible bastion of good. You should grow up.
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... but I didn’t think posting just persons name equated to d0xxing.
It doesn't. Not generally. Hell, many places require that you use your real name.
Odeon has special rules, probably for personal reasons.
*groan*
These are not my rules.
Oh really? Given that the Democracy was killed, and you tend to dictate by fiat now,
whose are they?
:wanker:
You killed that experiment almost entirely by yourself but you always forget that little detail.
As for doxxing, that rule was in effect when Dunc ran this place. It really seems like you have selective amnesia again.
1. No. It took a vote, led by you and your little coterie, to destroy the democracy. I merely demonstrated what
was wrong with not properly creating sustainable systems. My goal was to create a stronger one, which wouldn't
be easily manipulated. But, you (and others) were too lazy. It was a fairly close vote, IIRC.
2. Ok, so you inherited and maintain a rather unique definition for the term. It's yours now.
1. Pretty much everyone was sick of your making this place into as board about running a board. If you think it was close then you really do have selective amnesia. Your goal was not a system of any kind, your goal was the same as always, disruption and bullshit for the fun of it. You've admitted as much, in so many words.
What ended your efforts was Dunc naming himself a despot. Remember that?
2. We've not accepted people's real names being published here without the consent of those affected, ever, and as far as I know, every admin agrees this is the right policy to maintain. Stop being hypocrite and pretend it's just me when you know that's just not the case.
Oh, and...
The fact of the matter is that you won't accept anyone you perceive to have any kind of power. Not me, not Dunc, not Callaway. I suspect the only reason you let the other admins be is that you think they don't have it. It was always your MO.
See, I think you started out as a spazz with a special interest in the mechanics of democracy and such, and that just happened to align with what was discussed here at the time. You took over that discussion, basically doing what many spazzes do. You kept going no matter what, regardless of anyone else's opinions, you went on and on and on, with just enough support to keep you going. But please, don't flatter yourself, it was never close. When Dunc closed the democracy experiment, there weren't many people other than you protesting.
Your problem these days is that it looks like you've bought into your own hyperbole. Reading your comments, I'm surprised you've not yet called me Hitler. And that's this thread over, btw.
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You don't see Pyraxis or any of the other admins pulling this shit. They're not perfect, I'm sure. They're
just not fucking babies.
Remind me. When were they last targeted in polls or posts?
Fuck off, Cal. Your bullshit is as transparent as it ever was.
Pretty sure they're not fucking babies if tested. The thing is, they fail to piss anyone off with their behavior.
But Callaway, whom I have no love for, WAS targeted. I don't remember her jumping in and
performing admin functionality to stroke here ego the way you do.
Callaway isn't here. Py, Parts and Renaeden are. Are you being deliberately dishonest? You sure have a way of rewriting things to fit your bullshit.
You're not even making sense. Or you're trying to avoid the point - which is that there ARE adults who
have been here. People (unlike you) who don't go around utilizing the admin panel for pure spite.
I guess you did it for shits and giggles.
Yes, I had to dig into the past to find someone with an abrasive personality who managed to annoy the
shit out quite a few people with her 'holier than thou' attitudes, because the current crop of admins are
all well liked for their maturity in both handling their admin role and in dealing with others in general.
Maybe her particular flaw was instrumental in her NOT abusing the panel - it would be wrong.
Yours, that you're a fucking baby, more or less ensures that you'll react this way.
But, one can learn not to be a fucking baby. It's a lot harder to accept you're not some
incorruptible bastion of good. You should grow up.
See my other post for comments re your MO re the other admins.
I've never ever claimed I'm a "bastion of good". Quite the opposite. It's your perception and not something I recognise. I'd be interested in knowing why, though. I'm guessing that it's just your MO and the usual hyperbole, but I'm trying hard to be polite.
I also think you asking me to grow up is fucking rich, considering your history here. In so many words, don't pretend that you're the voice of reason when it's clear that you're everything but.
What is probably closer to the truth is that I rub you the wrong way. To some degree it's surely a question of our differing personalities (no, I don't particularly like you either, even though I do enjoy many of your posts) but mostly because you perceive me to be in power. And that last bit is true. I am and you are not. Deal with it.
But power is relative and this is a fucking message board. Apart from using the admin panel to fuck with Al and Scrap when they annoy me enough (how's that consistent with being a bastion of good, I wonder; I think I've pretty much said I had enough), and sometimes making sure that you and others can go on posting. It's just a message board, though, and while I'm sure it tickles your democracy sensibilities, that's all it is. I'm not Alex Plank. I'm not making a profit, nor am I trying to, I just make sure it stays online. For now, at least. If you don't like how this one is run, go start your own.
Ah, yes, sorry. I forgot. You did start your own. How *is* that going?
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Doxing is publishing personal information on the internet.
So if I publish information specifically about who you are IRL without your consent, that's doxing.
It's not some definition that Odeon made up.
Ask Lestat, for example, how he would feel about someone publishing his actual name on here.
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You don't see Pyraxis or any of the other admins pulling this shit. They're not perfect, I'm sure. They're
just not fucking babies.
Remind me. When were they last targeted in polls or posts?
Fuck off, Cal. Your bullshit is as transparent as it ever was.
Good call. I'm Pretty sure 'I've heard pyraxis make the exact same point before ...well, minus the "fuck off Cal " part. (But then, like you said, she wasn't wearing a target, was she? That surely helps in keeping one's cool)
Heck I wish she were here. she is damned good at cutting through the crap. (besides which, I just miss her )
Ah look - there IS still a butt licker around
Ah, the famed free speech. Dare to defend our target and you're fair game.
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Cal, well at least your arguments are a whole lot more cogent, closely reasoned and credible than Scrap’s. So kudos for that much
One problem with trying to bludgeon someone admitting he was wrong is that that judgement is , generally speaking, to a large extent subjective; and I’ve come across any number of different perspectives on the issues in hand. You can’t guarantee that the wrongdoer has the same perspective as yourself. Far from it. So your demand for an honest admission might easily come accross as a demand for an abject lie. Just to shut you up.
Personally speaking I’ve been in that position any number of times during my formatives years. I wouldn’t mind betting that most, perhaps all spazzes have, and are consequently highly defended against it and /or highly stressed by it.
Let’s take “Odeon genuinely believes he was right” as a working hypothesis, then try to put yourself in his shoes. Extremely uncomfortable, no? Now, let’s take “Odeon suspects he might have bene wrong” as a working hypothesis and put yopurself in his shoes. What do you do? Expose that vulnerability to the howling mob, in the middle of a public forum” Hell, no. Now take “Odeon knows he is wrong” as a…. fact. Of course it’s a fact cos you can see him squirming and lashing out in self-defence . QED. You see the logical error?
Actually, I really don’t think you have to be a baby to buckle under that sort of stress, just more-or-less human., like I said. And never mind how "power" the target has as a forum admin, I'm pretty sure they'd feel powerless against that kind of onslaught ; especially if they are, basically, loathe to ban people.
You think people should grow up. I’m it sure anybody is being given a fair chance to grow up if they’re still being called out on things that happened ten years ago…or even three years ago, which is more to the point, IMO.
I was interested to get your perspective on the Democracy wash-out. So it was basically a case of tough love accidently achieving the oppsite of the desired effect? I mean from your side. Well,well you can’t blame folk for not quite getting that. Nor can you blame them for revising their opinion of your younger self from “wantonly destructive” (or whatever) to “arrogant” once they do get it. Ofc that was neither the first time nor the last time that some I^2 regular screwed up in a similar fashion. Nor is the first or last time they’ve blamed somebody else for the resulting cock-up.
I was also slightly interested to hear that Odeon supposedly misused the blabberiser to silence the opposition during that all- important election. That explains your antagonism. But again, I’ve heard multiple perspectives , and I find no reason to take yours- nor anybody else’s, for that matter - for the one bona fide objective perspective on that. And unfortunately , I don’t have a perspective of my own, cos I just wasn’t active enough on the board at that point in time to form a clear perspective of my own, (dammit. I always seem to miss the juicy bits). The only thing I (vaguely) recall is your previous behaviour.
So, all I can say about that is : yeah, that was really bad, if it was exactly like you say. But inasmuch as you make an issue of it now, and add to the litany of “proof” against Odeon, seems to m e very much like flogging a live defendant with a long-dead horse
It’s bad enough that most of the present butthurt actually stems from about three years ago, when Zegh abruptly left the board , pursued by a torrent of abuse, which still goes on to this day (witness Scraps’ regular negs of Zegh’s posts) . I went to the trouble of tracking down all of the relevant posts, right back to that event and beyond, and reading them carefully. ( But God that was a schlepp. I’m not gonna do that with many of these issues! )
Again , you get a lot of conflicting perspectives. But what emerged was that Zegh was a whole lot less innocent than he appeared on the surface (that is to people like myself, fwho found him interesting to talk with, but didn’t get into any fights with him) and that Odeon almost certainly totally missed the worst of Zegh’s postings.
So my conclusion runs thus: Scrap’s claim that Odeon was biased in favour of Zegh was probably a) true and b) not actually Odeon’s fault really, just the unfortunate result of Odeon not being omniscient, together with abusage of the shoutbox .
But also, I gotta thank Al for pointing out to me some even older posts from Zegh, in which he made his toxic intentions abundantly clear. So you certainly can’t call Zegh an innocent victim of the forum bullies.. Maybe a victim of his own cavalier belligerence.
So I think I figured out what went wrong there, but I never figured out how to fix it . Starting from it’s morally ambiguos beginnings , the thing has just gathered momentum down the years, gathering all kinds of extraneous shit as it rolls . At this point in time , the thing that bothers me most about that event is that nobody (except Odeon) - seems to give a flying fuck for the possibility that Zegh might have run off and killed himself, or otherwise come to grief. Seems that whatever his fate was, he deserved it for being a cry-baby, and for finding Intensity too hot to handle.
In the present day, it’s basically about personal butthurt , self-righteousness and the flogging of long-dead horses. So I don’t blame the majority who don’t give a fuck about that issue at all. It just looks like another way to propagate the combative playground culture, which was the real villain of the piece in the first place, IMO.
It’s so freaking tiresome and gives the lie to all the calls for frankness and honesty which people throw out like gauntlets: a completely self-defeating gesture, if ever there was one. Surely to god, there have to better uses for Free Speech than that? At least that’s how most of the current denizens see it. So maybe we women (as we mostly seem to be) don’t belong here? Or maybe it’s time that all the old diehards admitted that that the playground culture turned out to be a bigger disaster than Democracy? Never mind what kind of half-baked gibberish Mc J wrote about that on the front page. Heck, maybe it’s time we trawled through all that stuff about Intensity’s mission , and decided which bits we really can and do subscribe to.
“Back up your words “ sounds OK… until you find out that people think it means “ submit yourself to an endless cross-examination concerning your character defects which can only end when you finally scream yes! You’re right. And I’m wrong’ “ . Leaving aside that McJ isn’t God, I can’t believe that’s what he really intended anyway.
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1. Pretty much everyone was sick of your making this place into as board about running a board. If you think it was close then you really do have selective amnesia.
I think that's you. The vote was about 60/40, IIRC, and even people who DIDN'T appreciate
what I was saying were shocked by what you and your group managed to do - depriving
ourselves of democracy.
Your goal was not a system of any kind, your goal was the same as always, disruption and bullshit for the fun of it. You've admitted as much, in so many words.
I certainly did NOT. I admitted that I enjoyed the political fight. That I always do.
I also do enjoy the lulz of watching people slit their own wrists. I got a huge laugh
out of the '16 election. Doesn't mean it's the result I wanted.
What ended your efforts was Dunc naming himself a despot. Remember that?
I don't think he would have done that if there wasn't a majority in the relevant poll.
Speaking of Dunc though, he was an interesting character. He wasn't as across the
board capricious as you have proven to be, but he sure had his moments. I don't remember
any particularly targeting me, but the whole sinbin thing and some of the bans he dropped
were purely personal. I think he was more corrupt than you, just not as active.
2. We've not accepted people's real names being published here without the consent of those affected, ever, and as far as I know, every admin agrees this is the right policy to maintain. Stop being hypocrite and pretend it's just me when you know that's just not the case.
You keep missing the point. It's NOT about the rule, but your special definition of the term.
Language is important.
Oh, and...
The fact of the matter is that you won't accept anyone you perceive to have any kind of power. Not me, not Dunc, not Callaway. I suspect the only reason you let the other admins be is that you think they don't have it. It was always your MO.
Hmm...I don't feel Callaway ever had any more power than other admins. She just grated
on me worse than any of the others who held the role, because of how much she disliked
me across the board for some of my views.
See, I think you started out as a spazz with a special interest in the mechanics of democracy and such, and that just happened to align with what was discussed here at the time. You took over that discussion, basically doing what many spazzes do. You kept going no matter what, regardless of anyone else's opinions, you went on and on and on, with just enough support to keep you going. But please, don't flatter yourself, it was never close. When Dunc closed the democracy experiment, there weren't many people other than you protesting.
I can remember people, like DD, who HATED what I was doing, furious at the outcome of the vote.
I think your assessment of my interest is probably correct, although it's not really democracy -
it's iron clad processes for protections. My current job is a great outlet for this, where I'm largely
doing just the kind of stuff that I was doing as we were setting up the democracy experiment:
trying to build in protections against things going wrong in decision making processes.
Your problem these days is that it looks like you've bought into your own hyperbole. Reading your comments, I'm surprised you've not yet called me Hitler. And that's this thread over, btw.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9-axJTzj0VU
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Walkie, the whole point of I^2 is to have the absolute minimum of rules. You are supposed to be able to troll, bully, badger, and so on.
When you or I are subjected to a sustained torrent of bullying or misrepresentation or batshit crazy conspiracy shit, we can walk away. There are nicer communities out there. At some point it's going to get too much for Odeon and he will simply shut the place down and walk away. Yes, I know he shouldn't use the moderator buttons when the vitriol constantly directed at him goes beyond the pale. But really, there's no end to it otherwise.
The problem with some of the disordered personalities on here is that they want to wail at the injustice that they are being subjected to. So they dig and dig and dig until they finally get the "unfair" reaction that they want. Then it's drama llama time again.
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You're not even making sense. Or you're trying to avoid the point - which is that there ARE adults who
have been here. People (unlike you) who don't go around utilizing the admin panel for pure spite.
I guess you did it for shits and giggles.
I'm afraid so. Hell, there was a practice of new admins throwing pranks. I really didn't
understand how some people felt about their profiles and that they saw them as some
sort of non-mutable thing.
I didn't mean any harm, even if I had a point to make.
See my other post for comments re your MO re the other admins.
It's not just about ME. We're talking about people who are more stable adults.
And, to be perfectly honest, I feel enough of the impulses that you must feel to
take the actions that you do. As shown by my fighting style online. I'm pretty
close to what you are - but with a shred of honor towards public duty.
I've never ever claimed I'm a "bastion of good". Quite the opposite. It's your perception and not something I recognise. I'd be interested in knowing why, though. I'm guessing that it's just your MO and the usual hyperbole, but I'm trying hard to be polite.
I haven't said you are. What I think is that you need to put a regulator in front of your
decisions. Any time you want to touch the admin panel, ask yourself, "is this for the
good of the site, or is it something for my ego?" Take a couple seconds/minutes/whatever
before taking the action, and cool down.
Like I said, I feel those impulses. I've been there. In more important places than some
message board.
I also think you asking me to grow up is fucking rich, considering your history here. In so many words, don't pretend that you're the voice of reason when it's clear that you're everything but.
Meh. Who better to understand than someone who sees clearly because they have similarities?
What is probably closer to the truth is that I rub you the wrong way. To some degree it's surely a question of our differing personalities (no, I don't particularly like you either, even though I do enjoy many of your posts) but mostly because you perceive me to be in power. And that last bit is true. I am and you are not. Deal with it.
Heh. Actually, I rather like you. There are some posting tactics which each have
that I know annoy the other, but *shrugs*.
I really do see you as abusing your power here though. Not horribly - most
web site admins are as bad or worse. But, GIVEN the goal here, it's pretty bad.
Ah, yes, sorry. I forgot. You did start your own. How *is* that going?
More than one. :zoinks:
As to chaos, it was a very interesting experiment. I was surprised it worked as well as
it did even.
My most recent has a very interesting cautionary tale that I didn't expect. Which is that even
just free speech is too much for most people. Especially when practiced by someone they
respect. I've still got a lot to unpack from that experience (although it's ongoing).
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You don't see Pyraxis or any of the other admins pulling this shit. They're not perfect, I'm sure. They're
just not fucking babies.
Remind me. When were they last targeted in polls or posts?
Fuck off, Cal. Your bullshit is as transparent as it ever was.
Good call. I'm Pretty sure 'I've heard pyraxis make the exact same point before ...well, minus the "fuck off Cal " part. (But then, like you said, she wasn't wearing a target, was she? That surely helps in keeping one's cool)
Heck I wish she were here. she is damned good at cutting through the crap. (besides which, I just miss her )
How did Odeon become a "target"? If I "target" Odeon, did he ever "target" me? It would be dishonest to pretend he did not but I want to see your answer and how far your defence of him goes?
Has he ever tried fighting as a member vs another member and then escalated to Admin tools when hamstrung , angry or frustrated?
Repeat the same narrative with Scrap and the same with Cal.
This is simply pigeons coming home to roost. He gets the a return on the investment of really shitty initial behaviour.
I would love to see your defence of this Walkie. I will start you off "Poor Odeon is not responsible for his behaviour because..."
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Cal, well at least your arguments are a whole lot more cogent, closely reasoned and credible than Scrap’s. So kudos for that much
One problem with trying to bludgeon someone admitting he was wrong is that that judgement is , generally speaking, to a large extent subjective; and I’ve come across any number of different perspectives on the issues in hand. You can’t guarantee that the wrongdoer has the same perspective as yourself. Far from it. So your demand for an honest admission might easily come accross as a demand for an abject lie. Just to shut you up.
Personally speaking I’ve been in that position any number of times during my formatives years. I wouldn’t mind betting that most, perhaps all spazzes have, and are consequently highly defended against it and /or highly stressed by it.
Let’s take “Odeon genuinely believes he was right” as a working hypothesis, then try to put yourself in his shoes. Extremely uncomfortable, no? Now, let’s take “Odeon suspects he might have bene wrong” as a working hypothesis and put yopurself in his shoes. What do you do? Expose that vulnerability to the howling mob, in the middle of a public forum” Hell, no. Now take “Odeon knows he is wrong” as a…. fact. Of course it’s a fact cos you can see him squirming and lashing out in self-defence . QED. You see the logical error?
Actually, I really don’t think you have to be a baby to buckle under that sort of stress, just more-or-less human., like I said. And never mind how "power" the target has as a forum admin, I'm pretty sure they'd feel powerless against that kind of onslaught ; especially if they are, basically, loathe to ban people.
You think people should grow up. I’m it sure anybody is being given a fair chance to grow up if they’re still being called out on things that happened ten years ago…or even three years ago, which is more to the point, IMO.
I was interested to get your perspective on the Democracy wash-out. So it was basically a case of tough love accidently achieving the oppsite of the desired effect? I mean from your side. Well,well you can’t blame folk for not quite getting that. Nor can you blame them for revising their opinion of your younger self from “wantonly destructive” (or whatever) to “arrogant” once they do get it. Ofc that was neither the first time nor the last time that some I^2 regular screwed up in a similar fashion. Nor is the first or last time they’ve blamed somebody else for the resulting cock-up.
I was also slightly interested to hear that Odeon supposedly misused the blabberiser to silence the opposition during that all- important election. That explains your antagonism. But again, I’ve heard multiple perspectives , and I find no reason to take yours- nor anybody else’s, for that matter - for the one bona fide objective perspective on that. And unfortunately , I don’t have a perspective of my own, cos I just wasn’t active enough on the board at that point in time to form a clear perspective of my own, (dammit. I always seem to miss the juicy bits). The only thing I (vaguely) recall is your previous behaviour.
So, all I can say about that is : yeah, that was really bad, if it was exactly like you say. But inasmuch as you make an issue of it now, and add to the litany of “proof” against Odeon, seems to m e very much like flogging a live defendant with a long-dead horse
It’s bad enough that most of the present butthurt actually stems from about three years ago, when Zegh abruptly left the board , pursued by a torrent of abuse, which still goes on to this day (witness Scraps’ regular negs of Zegh’s posts) . I went to the trouble of tracking down all of the relevant posts, right back to that event and beyond, and reading them carefully. ( But God that was a schlepp. I’m not gonna do that with many of these issues! )
Again , you get a lot of conflicting perspectives. But what emerged was that Zegh was a whole lot less innocent than he appeared on the surface (that is to people like myself, fwho found him interesting to talk with, but didn’t get into any fights with him) and that Odeon almost certainly totally missed the worst of Zegh’s postings.
So my conclusion runs thus: Scrap’s claim that Odeon was biased in favour of Zegh was probably a) true and b) not actually Odeon’s fault really, just the unfortunate result of Odeon not being omniscient, together with abusage of the shoutbox .
But also, I gotta thank Al for pointing out to me some even older posts from Zegh, in which he made his toxic intentions abundantly clear. So you certainly can’t call Zegh an innocent victim of the forum bullies.. Maybe a victim of his own cavalier belligerence.
So I think I figured out what went wrong there, but I never figured out how to fix it . Starting from it’s morally ambiguos beginnings , the thing has just gathered momentum down the years, gathering all kinds of extraneous shit as it rolls . At this point in time , the thing that bothers me most about that event is that nobody (except Odeon) - seems to give a flying fuck for the possibility that Zegh might have run off and killed himself, or otherwise come to grief. Seems that whatever his fate was, he deserved it for being a cry-baby, and for finding Intensity too hot to handle.
In the present day, it’s basically about personal butthurt , self-righteousness and the flogging of long-dead horses. So I don’t blame the majority who don’t give a fuck about that issue at all. It just looks like another way to propagate the combative playground culture, which was the real villain of the piece in the first place, IMO.
It’s so freaking tiresome and gives the lie to all the calls for frankness and honesty which people throw out like gauntlets: a completely self-defeating gesture, if ever there was one. Surely to god, there have to better uses for Free Speech than that? At least that’s how most of the current denizens see it. So maybe we women (as we mostly seem to be) don’t belong here? Or maybe it’s time that all the old diehards admitted that that the playground culture turned out to be a bigger disaster than Democracy? Never mind what kind of half-baked gibberish Mc J wrote about that on the front page. Heck, maybe it’s time we trawled through all that stuff about Intensity’s mission , and decided which bits we really can and do subscribe to.
“Back up your words “ sounds OK… until you find out that people think it means “ submit yourself to an endless cross-examination concerning your character defects which can only end when you finally scream yes! You’re right. And I’m wrong’ “ . Leaving aside that McJ isn’t God, I can’t believe that’s what he really intended anyway.
Lestat keeps in contact with Zegh. He is not coming back and apparently otherwise happy. He stated that his reasons for leaving were due to the fighting between him and me. So....this false inference that no one but Odeon knows or cars what happens to Zegh and thinks whatever happens to him is perhaps hope he kills himself because he deserves it is......bullshit. Isn't it? I mean you based it on fuck all. Who here did you ask about Zegh? Anyone? You based this on ONE statement that you saw from Odeon and suddenly his opinion is the bastion is unique/more moral/benchmark? What do I or anyone else here ACTUALLY think of Zegh? Have you asked? I would want him dead? Why? I don't give a shit about him. He is a loser and can dish it but not take it. He has left, that was his decision and what he does now is of no real concern to me. He is doing fine? Great. If he was rainy-faced I would imagine he ought to get over it. Bigger things in the world than to be depressed based on a forum. So why are you making baseless lies? They ARE lies as seen above and I am wondering why you are making them?
As to what Odeon did and did not get, no. Just no. What you are stating here is not true. Odeon jumped right on Zegh's dick and rode it long and hard. I explained it to him and he did not budge. It became one of his hills to die on. Fine with me. It was NOT that he was unaware, he just did not want to take responsibility or admit his bias and stupidity. His decisions naturally came to bad ends. His actions from there on continue to screw the pooch.
Why defend Odeon and excuse him so readily and based on nothing deserving?
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I haven't said you are. What I think is that you need to put a regulator in front of your
decisions. Any time you want to touch the admin panel, ask yourself, "is this for the
good of the site, or is it something for my ego?" Take a couple seconds/minutes/whatever
before taking the action, and cool down.
Hmm...there is one thing which doesn't require the admin panel, wherein
impulse control will be difficult, yet probably annoys some people as
an abuse: moving karma quickly through the buttons themselves.
IIRC (and the 'reason' mod may have changed this), admins can just
push as often as they like, even when thumbs were limited.
That didn't require any special access, so it's less likely to notice
what you're doing (especially across several posts). I know this was
something I caught myself doing accidentally.
Personally, I think such meaningless things should just be opened up
to anyone. It probably helps some people to push that button again
and again. But IF you see any reason (due to your own or others'
feelings) that we should be limiting karma changes to one/minute
(or whatever) with a reason, breaking that pattern is an abuse as well.
Another imbalance is the custom tag limitation. This one is definitely
for NO fucking reason except bullying. Baked into how Dunc configured
the place. Like I said, he was very spiteful - something I noticed
long before I drew his, your, or most anyone's approbation. The way
he treated Flo, and a few others was just out of bounds.
There were never any moderators - just spiteful petty tyrants.
Basically, my view of moderation and administration is that unless something
is threatening the usability of the site (and this can be interpreted) nothing
should be done with the admin panel to someone's detriment. And IF something
is, the remedy (after discussions ect) is a ban. So, it's reasonable to ban advertising
spammers.
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Well no discussion needed really IMO to dump spammers. The bots and probably low-paid chinese with nets strung outside the windows of high rise buildings to catch the suicide wouldbes and drag them back to work, are no good to anyone, the shills and advertiser types, just chuck 'em, no questions asked, actual users is another matter.
Although, it seems to me, that things have been VERY unevenly, I mean, compare DFG going off the rails, a valued member of our little pack of misfits, and that mcdangly or whatever the fuck his face was, shit, there had to be a thread and pretty heated discussion in the elder's forum about what to do, despite the fact the sonofawhore OBVIOUSLY contributed nothing, ever, to the forum, and that aside, had made threats about going on a killing spree in a school.
Fuck me, wasn't it his suicide threats that eventually proved the actual reason for him getting the long-deserved boot up his arse? we need to get our fucking priorities right.
As for karma....well it's largely a way of people personally either praising or slagging someone off for a given post, I don't take it too seriously, although I suppose it functions as a general barometer of how much someone is liked or disliked here, at least, as long as the application remains even amongst ALL members. Doesn't matter if they are an admin/mod or one of the rest of us, it needs to be applied the same way if it isn't to be used for personal grudges beyond reason.
And, really, there is no negative side to it being even-handedly applied. Nobody loses out for it, other than someone wishing to abuse the system.
Custom titles, weren't they/aren't they at a user's request? mine was.
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:spitscreen: Thanks Lestat, I struggle to remember McDangly's actual user name as well. I got a kick and a big chuckle out of seeing that "McDangly" has stuck though.
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Oh I can remember It's handle, I just didn't feel like according It that level of respect.
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Hmm , thought I'd have a quick check on I^2 before going to bed. Very silly of me. :LOL: i don't even have time to take all this in, but I'll just throw in a quick response to Al:
Thanks (-ish) for the reassuring info re, Zegh. Last time i enquired (probably something 2 years ago, mind) , that info , for whatever reason, was not forthcoming, and it must have come up during one of my breaks, i suppose. Ofc, Scrap's and your well -known sentiments dominate my memory ( you just gave a handy example "I don't give a shit about him. He is a loser and can dish it but not take it" That's exact;y the kind of thing I meant ) and only person I could recall caring was Odeon, which was pretty frustrating to me , because my point there was not about odeon, was it?I would rather have left his name out of it, at that juncture, but then fairness and honesty pushed into adding that caveat in brackets *sigh * . I also meant to keep your name out of it, because I was criticising the culture not any particular individual , and didn't want anyone taking it personally, if i could possibly avoid that. (small chance, i know)
I'm pretty sure that I never said , nor even thought that you, Scrap or anyone positively wanted Zegh dead. That musta been somebody or something else. I just got the impression he's beneath contempt in you guys eyes , and therefore deserving of whatever (which equates to a rough paraphrase of what you just said, does it not? ..unless i somehow misunderstood it?)
But feel free to impose your own narrative over that, and to assume that every little inaccuracy found in my accounts must be down to deliberate lying. Just don;'t insist on me answering for said lies every time. Beecause I don't have the energy to try to disabuse you every time , and you surely don't have the right to demand that.
Needless to say, I woulda received that info a whole lot more gratefully and gracefully , if not for the subsequent spiel. But I am glad to hear it, nonetheless :)
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Oh and another quick reply to MoSW
Walkie, the whole point of I^2 is to have the absolute minimum of rules. You are supposed to be able to troll, bully, badger, and so on.
When you or I are subjected to a sustained torrent of bullying or misrepresentation or batshit crazy conspiracy shit, we can walk away. There are nicer communities out there. At some point it's going to get too much for Odeon and he will simply shut the place down and walk away. Yes, I know he shouldn't use the moderator buttons when the vitriol constantly directed at him goes beyond the pale. But really, there's no end to it otherwise.
The problem with some of the disordered personalities on here is that they want to wail at the injustice that they are being subjected to. So they dig and dig and dig until they finally get the "unfair" reaction that they want. Then it's drama llama time again.
Um, yeah, I've heard that "You are supposed to be able to troll, bully, badger, and so on" before, but some of us have a very different spin on it than others. Specifically , a pretty big proportion of us see it more in terms of "You can act like a spazz here without getting banned" which is rather different from saying the whole point of the place is to spazz out as aggressive;y as possible, isn't it?
To put it another way., quite a number of us had been looking for a place that didn't ban spazzes just for failing to grasp or respect the social rules because, seriously, that pretty much negates the whole point of having a Spazz forum doesn't it? ? I coul;d go on and on about why free speech for spazzes is a must. and I'm sure I have done just that at at times. Just giving you a taster here. So when I asked: do we not belong here? well, that was intended as a rhetotical question.
But now you come alomg and say "well if you don't like the playground culture, you can always go to WP" (or words to that effect) which is pretty damned dismissive of the needs of those those of us who are spazzes no less than the Rottweilers here, and who also value free speech pretty damned intensely. For some such members , this forum pretty much represents entire social life , their only circle of intimate friends. Looks like you haven't been around for long enough to grasp that, nor to notice the somewhat complex overlap and interchange betwen what I'l call (for bevity's sake) tthe "support group culture" and the "playground culture". We;re not talking about two entirely distinct groups of people. And to enforce some sort of segregation along those lines would be highly detrimental, i believe .
I^2 actually works much better than most people think at first glance. It's main probl;em . IMO, is that not only do Rottweilers look like the own forum, purely on account of having the loudest voices, they seem to think they have some sort of god-given entitlement in that regard . It ought to be possible to work things out better than we have. except nobody's really trying anymore. or not very often, anyway.
Who decides what the place is "supposed to be about "anyway? The members? well, then we need only ask ourselves. (Have a discussion. Make a poll) Or just the founding members (Mc J and Wolfie) ? both of whom have moved on in their different fashions. But , if I casst my mind back, I know very well that both those people had a much more far-reasching and creative vision for this place than the long-drawn out shouting matcjh it' turned into . But some people just cherry-pick McJ's bits of fighting talk, and ignore all the rest. Heck, maybe even Mc j was ignoring all the rest by the time he quit, but it doesn't follow that ....
oh fuck. My brain's getting horribly tired . Really shouldn't have started this...
But serously, where exactly did you get that info from, regarding what this place is "supposed to be about"? Who told you?
And /...hang on...what makes you think i need to have it carefully explained to me why this place gets on Odeon's tits so much? :S Did you misadress your post? not thart i mind you rephrasing my own arguments but I'm getting a bit of cognitive dissonamce here . :LOL:
And who told you "there are nicer communities out there" :LOL: once you've scaped away the surface , most of em are worse than this place, just not being so honest about it. That's precisely what makes me think they're no fit places for a spazz. It's just the NT-inspired polite exterior makes you think that those places are nice.
Not to say there;'s no genuinel;y nice place. I hope there is, but how to find one in practice? Would sooner stick with this one, and just try to makle it work a bit better, if its all the same to you.
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Oh and another quick reply to MoSW
Walkie, the whole point of I^2 is to have the absolute minimum of rules. You are supposed to be able to troll, bully, badger, and so on.
When you or I are subjected to a sustained torrent of bullying or misrepresentation or batshit crazy conspiracy shit, we can walk away. There are nicer communities out there. At some point it's going to get too much for Odeon and he will simply shut the place down and walk away. Yes, I know he shouldn't use the moderator buttons when the vitriol constantly directed at him goes beyond the pale. But really, there's no end to it otherwise.
The problem with some of the disordered personalities on here is that they want to wail at the injustice that they are being subjected to. So they dig and dig and dig until they finally get the "unfair" reaction that they want. Then it's drama llama time again.
Um, yeah, I've heard that "You are supposed to be able to troll, bully, badger, and so on" before, but some of us have a very different spin on it than others. Specifically , a pretty big proportion of us see it more in terms of "You can act like a spazz here without getting banned" which is rather different from saying the whole point of the place is to spazz out as aggressive;y as possible, isn't it?
To put it another way., quite a number of us had been looking for a place that didn't ban spazzes just for failing to grasp or respect the social rules because, seriously, that pretty much negates the whole point of having a Spazz forum doesn't it? ? I coul;d go on and on about why free speech for spazzes is a must. and I'm sure I have done just that at at times. Just giving you a taster here. So when I asked: do we not belong here? well, that was intended as a rhetotical question.
But now you come alomg and say "well if you don't like the playground culture, you can always go to WP" (or words to that effect) which is pretty damned dismissive of the needs of those those of us who are spazzes no less than the Rottweilers here, and who also value free speech pretty damned intensely. For some such members , this forum pretty much represents entire social life , their only circle of intimate friends. Looks like you haven't been around for long enough to grasp that, nor to notice the somewhat complex overlap and interchange betwen what I'l call (for bevity's sake) tthe "support group culture" and the "playground culture". We;re not talking about two entirely distinct groups of people. And to enforce some sort of segregation along those lines would be highly detrimental, i believe .
I^2 actually works much better than most people think at first glance. It's main probl;em . IMO, is that not only do Rottweilers look like the own forum, purely on account of having the loudest voices, they seem to think they have some sort of god-given entitlement in that regard . It ought to be possible to work things out better than we have. except nobody's really trying anymore. or not very often, anyway.
Who decides what the place is "supposed to be about "anyway? The members? well, then we need only ask ourselves. (Have a discussion. Make a poll) Or just the founding members (Mc J and Wolfie) ? both of whom have moved on in their different fashions. But , if I casst my mind back, I know very well that both those people had a much more far-reasching and creative vision for this place than the long-drawn out shouting matcjh it' turned into . But some people just cherry-pick McJ's bits of fighting talk, and ignore all the rest. Heck, maybe even Mc j was ignoring all the rest by the time he quit, but it doesn't follow that ....
oh fuck. My brain's getting horribly tired . Really shouldn't have started this...
But serously, where exactly did you get that info from, regarding what this place is "supposed to be about"? Who told you?
And /...hang on...what makes you think i need to have it carefully explained to me why this place gets on Odeon's tits so much? :S Did you misadress your post? not thart i mind you rephrasing my own arguments but I'm getting a bit of cognitive dissonamce here . :LOL:
And who told you "there are nicer communities out there" :LOL: once you've scaped away the surface , most of em are worse than this place, just not being so honest about it. That's precisely what makes me think they're no fit places for a spazz. It's just the NT-inspired polite exterior makes you think that those places are nice.
Not to say there;'s no genuinel;y nice place. I hope there is, but how to find one in practice? Would sooner stick with this one, and just try to makle it work a bit better, if its all the same to you.
Interesting claim. Who are the "rottweillers" who seem to think they own the forum. Certainly, I do not think I have ever presumed or suggested or inferred I own the forum. The other non-owners and "loud voices" I imagine could be Scrap or perhaps Cal. Cal is from what I can see happy to marinate in a dispassionate disinterest. That leaves Scrap. Scrap has certainly nostalgically opined how the McJ kind of idea about this forum being for the members and by the members was good as an idea. This read to me as a "It would be great if world peace reigned supreme and everyone just loved each other kind of wishful thinking rather than a serious consideration that the forum, was owned by the members and much less just by him.
Py did bring up that Odeon of course retained the rights of an owner by virtue of him paying the server BUT that as he did not accept payments and would not accept payments for the forum, having the "I pay for teh server so I will do what I want" kind of attitude was pretty pissy.
Actually her opinion on forum ownership came as close to disputing Odeon's ownership claim as anyone here. Did you mean SHE was the rottweiller in question?
Its a rhetorical question. Of course you did not. So the big two questions are who DID you mean and under what possible reason do you say they SEEM to think they are the owners?
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Its not that I keep in contact with zegh, I can't say as I KNOW him, he just happens to be a member of a fallout fan forum that I've been on.
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Hmm , thought I'd have a quick check on I^2 before going to bed. Very silly of me. :LOL: i don't even have time to take all this in, but I'll just throw in a quick response to Al:
Thanks (-ish) for the reassuring info re, Zegh. Last time i enquired (probably something 2 years ago, mind) , that info , for whatever reason, was not forthcoming, and it must have come up during one of my breaks, i suppose. Ofc, Scrap's and your well -known sentiments dominate my memory ( you just gave a handy example "I don't give a shit about him. He is a loser and can dish it but not take it" That's exact;y the kind of thing I meant ) and only person I could recall caring was Odeon, which was pretty frustrating to me , because my point there was not about odeon, was it?I would rather have left his name out of it, at that juncture, but then fairness and honesty pushed into adding that caveat in brackets *sigh * . I also meant to keep your name out of it, because I was criticising the culture not any particular individual , and didn't want anyone taking it personally, if i could possibly avoid that. (small chance, i know)
I'm pretty sure that I never said , nor even thought that you, Scrap or anyone positively wanted Zegh dead. That musta been somebody or something else. I just got the impression he's beneath contempt in you guys eyes , and therefore deserving of whatever (which equates to a rough paraphrase of what you just said, does it not? ..unless i somehow misunderstood it?)
But feel free to impose your own narrative over that, and to assume that every little inaccuracy found in my accounts must be down to deliberate lying. Just don;'t insist on me answering for said lies every time. Beecause I don't have the energy to try to disabuse you every time , and you surely don't have the right to demand that.
Needless to say, I woulda received that info a whole lot more gratefully and gracefully , if not for the subsequent spiel. But I am glad to hear it, nonetheless :)
I will absolutely impose my narrative over this.
My Father is still alive. I have not seen him for 21 years. He was someone I viewed as something to fear when I was younger and someone to compete against as an adolescent. As a young adult he was someone to protect my family against. I hope that gives you an idea of where I am coming from with him.
I do not want that man in my life BUT I would not care if his life is good. I do not care he remarried in the last 10 years or so since my mother's death. More power to him. I simply do not care for him and would not seek him out. Were he somehow irrevocably in my life I am sure I would grin and bear up best I could and weather it and probably not hit him like I did the last two occasions I saw him but I am happier with him not being a part of it.
I feel similarly about Zegh. The connection was not THAT extreme a relationship but the kind of not wishing him ill but not wishing him well. Just neutral. He is out of sight and out of mind. I don't hate him and I do not care for him. That in no way says he is "deserving of whatever". I am not even sure what that means. If he is kidnapped and tortured in a way that only Lestat could imagine, would he deserve that because he was a cowardly arrogant little shit talker that can dish it out but not take it? No. What about him getting a nasty debilitating illness or disease? Would that be karmaic balance? No. What the hell do YOU mean?
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Walkie, the whole point of I^2 is to have the absolute minimum of rules. You are supposed to be able to troll, bully, badger, and so on.
When you or I are subjected to a sustained torrent of bullying or misrepresentation or batshit crazy conspiracy shit, we can walk away. There are nicer communities out there. At some point it's going to get too much for Odeon and he will simply shut the place down and walk away. Yes, I know he shouldn't use the moderator buttons when the vitriol constantly directed at him goes beyond the pale. But really, there's no end to it otherwise.
The problem with some of the disordered personalities on here is that they want to wail at the injustice that they are being subjected to. So they dig and dig and dig until they finally get the "unfair" reaction that they want. Then it's drama llama time again.
I think this is spot on.
I've thought about walking away many times. The constant (yes, that's how it feels to me) bullshit directed at me gets to be too much every now and then. Of course, I could simply take a leave of absence, stay away for a couple of weeks or months, but that always begs the question: why should I keep the damned thing online in the first place?
I haven't answered that question yet. Right now, I2 stays online because old habits die hard, especially when you're a spazz.
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Walkie, the whole point of I^2 is to have the absolute minimum of rules. You are supposed to be able to troll, bully, badger, and so on.
When you or I are subjected to a sustained torrent of bullying or misrepresentation or batshit crazy conspiracy shit, we can walk away. There are nicer communities out there. At some point it's going to get too much for Odeon and he will simply shut the place down and walk away. Yes, I know he shouldn't use the moderator buttons when the vitriol constantly directed at him goes beyond the pale. But really, there's no end to it otherwise.
The problem with some of the disordered personalities on here is that they want to wail at the injustice that they are being subjected to. So they dig and dig and dig until they finally get the "unfair" reaction that they want. Then it's drama llama time again.
I think this is spot on.
I've thought about walking away many times. The constant (yes, that's how it feels to me) bullshit directed at me gets to be too much every now and then. Of course, I could simply take a leave of absence, stay away for a couple of weeks or months, but that always begs the question: why should I keep the damned thing online in the first place?
I haven't answered that question yet. Right now, I2 stays online because old habits die hard, especially when you're a spazz.
I think that this kind of makes some inferences and which may or may not have some merit and then connects them badly.
Should Odeon be able to walk away. Of course.
Should "I^2 is to have the absolute minimum of rules. You are supposed to be able to troll, bully, badger, and so on." Yes
Odeon "shouldn't use the moderator buttons when the vitriol constantly directed at him goes beyond the pale". Correct
"The problem with some of the disordered personalities on here is that they want to wail at the injustice that they are being subjected to"? Incorrect. They react to treatment from and generally spew at Odeon their perception of all his faults and misgivings, rather relentlessly. They are also quite quick to leap onto any disagreement of him and his points of views on any posting on the forum.
"So they dig and dig and dig until they finally get the "unfair" reaction that they want" Again not so much digging. The treatment is no more unfair than what he has foisted on them.
This leads to a number of different connections:
Is this pretty relentless? Yes
Is it deserved? Yes
Does this mean the people that are doing this are disordered? No.
Could there actions cause Odeon to eventually close? Maybe, up to Odeon what he chooses to do.
Has Odeon bought this on himself by his past conduct? Sure. He contributed to the way he is now perceived and the respect and benefit of the doubt he now gets.
Was this necessary? No idea. However it is a natural flow of his actions and the consequences of a series of very bad choices. Hardly unexpected or undeserved
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Custom titles, weren't they/aren't they at a user's request? mine was.
Yes. You have to beg an admin to change it.
For no apparent reason. And sometimes, they get set for you.
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I've thought about walking away many times. The constant (yes, that's how it feels to me) bullshit directed at me gets to be too much every now and then. Of course, I could simply take a leave of absence, stay away for a couple of weeks or months, but that always begs the question: why should I keep the damned thing online in the first place?
THIS is a decent question. Maybe you're not the right person to do so.
And no - I'm not either. I don't care enough.
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Custom titles, weren't they/aren't they at a user's request? mine was.
Yes. You have to beg an admin to change it.
For no apparent reason. And sometimes, they get set for you.
For whatever reason, that's how the board was once set up. Default settings, maybe. And then, nobody ever bothered to change that.
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I've thought about walking away many times. The constant (yes, that's how it feels to me) bullshit directed at me gets to be too much every now and then. Of course, I could simply take a leave of absence, stay away for a couple of weeks or months, but that always begs the question: why should I keep the damned thing online in the first place?
THIS is a decent question. Maybe you're not the right person to do so.
And no - I'm not either. I don't care enough.
Sorry, do what? Answer the question? Keep the board online?
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Oh, and Al: I thought about replying to your post and then decided it's not worth my time because I don't actually care about what you think. You've been on repeat the last several years and it gets old after the first few dozen times.
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Oh, and Al: I thought about replying to your post and then decided it's not worth my time because I don't actually care about what you think. You've been on repeat the last several years and it gets old after the first few dozen times.
Yes i am consistent. Easy to keep facts straight and a consistent narrative when you are honest and tell the truth.
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Oh, and Al: I thought about replying to your post and then decided it's not worth my time because I don't actually care about what you think. You've been on repeat the last several years and it gets old after the first few dozen times.
Yes i am consistent. Easy to keep facts straight and a consistent narrative when you are honest and tell the truth.
Consistency is boring! Liven it up a little! :P
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Custom titles, weren't they/aren't they at a user's request? mine was.
Yes. You have to beg an admin to change it.
For no apparent reason. And sometimes, they get set for you.
For whatever reason, that's how the board was once set up. Default settings, maybe. And then, nobody ever bothered to change that.
Not "for some reason." Requests were made to change this previously.
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I've thought about walking away many times. The constant (yes, that's how it feels to me) bullshit directed at me gets to be too much every now and then. Of course, I could simply take a leave of absence, stay away for a couple of weeks or months, but that always begs the question: why should I keep the damned thing online in the first place?
THIS is a decent question. Maybe you're not the right person to do so.
And no - I'm not either. I don't care enough.
Sorry, do what? Answer the question? Keep the board online?
Keep it online.
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Cal, who among us would you trust to be a completely impartial head admin even when subjected to years of personal abuse and pointless drama?
I can think of one. Maybe.
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Ren and 'raxy are the ones I trust the most here. Both outstanding people in general, and people I..well, I don't trust people easily, certainly not after meeting the borderline bitch from hell former housemate, and the shit she pulled.
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Custom titles, weren't they/aren't they at a user's request? mine was.
Yes. You have to beg an admin to change it.
For no apparent reason. And sometimes, they get set for you.
Can't recall an instance when a request was denied.
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I'd trust Pyraxis most. Not just on making the moral decisions, but on digging for the deeper nuances.
On moral grounds, I think all three other admins have been fine.
To the more subtle points. None of these three have been subjected to such attacks, because of their
personalities. They don't invite them. Odeon and Dunc both performed capricious acts instigating this
cycle. Might someone start being a total ass to another member? Sure. But that's not likely to result in
a section of long time members consistently harping about moral failures. I think even Odeon could shrug
off attacks like that, which were simply not true. It's the TRUTH of them which promulgates his responses.
And I suspect he's smart enough to understand that. I hope he is. And can work to distance himself from
performing such acts.
Because, I'm not sure anyone else is interested in actually making the work involved in maintaining the site.
It's a thankless task, and one which probably doesn't seem worth it at all, if everyone's just harping on you.
Are his little power trips a worthwhile cost to the members? Shit, I don't know. Maybe if the site's principles
were changed to reflect that, I'd be a lot happier with the trade off.
I^2 is a Free Speech Zone - except where it annoys the mebmonkey.
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Custom titles, weren't they/aren't they at a user's request? mine was.
Yes. You have to beg an admin to change it.
For no apparent reason. And sometimes, they get set for you.
Can't recall an instance when a request was denied.
Doesn't make a difference.
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Cal, who among us would you trust to be a completely impartial head admin even when subjected to years of personal abuse and pointless drama?
I can think of one. Maybe.
Don't think it's possible for members to be completely impartial. That might only happen if there were some hired outsider who didn't participate except for administrative actions. Have more than once said, everyone gets something they need here or they wouldn't be here. There have been times when it seemed Odeon probably wasn't getting what he needs and that was concerning. Odeon has shown I can trust him to keep the site running.
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Custom titles, weren't they/aren't they at a user's request? mine was.
Yes. You have to beg an admin to change it.
For no apparent reason. And sometimes, they get set for you.
Can't recall an instance when a request was denied.
Doesn't make a difference.
Yes it does. There's a difference between sometimes and always. If there's a point to be made about admin control over custom titles, then sometimes isn't it.
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Are his little power trips a worthwhile cost to the members?
What's the cost when Odeon is a member too? It may be possible someone has left because they didn't like him, or maybe left because they didn't like me. If the time ever comes when the benefit of this forum is outweighed by the cost, then I'll leave, but I'll never blame someone else if I can't handle whatever I2 has to offer.
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Cal, who among us would you trust to be a completely impartial head admin even when subjected to years of personal abuse and pointless drama?
I can think of one. Maybe.
Better question. "WHY is he getting "years of personal abuse"?" Was that his impartiality of which you talk about? Or perhaps it was that he was misusing his power and making a shitload of very bad choices and when his pigeons come back to roost the more disingenuous here treat him as a poor beset upon Admin?
I would like you to discuss this question and in context of THIS answer I will address YOUR question.
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Custom titles, weren't they/aren't they at a user's request? mine was.
Yes. You have to beg an admin to change it.
For no apparent reason. And sometimes, they get set for you.
Can't recall an instance when a request was denied.
Doesn't make a difference.
Yes it does. There's a difference between sometimes and always. If there's a point to be made about admin control over custom titles, then sometimes isn't it.
Have been here a long time, and this is the first time custom title access has ever come up as any sort of an issue. Maybe just asking nicely would result in change, instead of implying it some sort of big power trip.
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I can't comment about dunc, before my time here.
But as for custom titles, I don't remember ever hearing of one imposed, rather than granted. And really, it's the most minor sort of niggle an admin COULD oppose on a member, short of 'oi! dick'ead! fuck yer mom faggot' sort of degeneration. But if someone does fuck with it, I would trust Ren and 'Raxy to be impartial over others. I think Ren the most, since she has never ONCE shown even the merest hint of reproachable behavior when I've been a member to witness it, 'rax has posted in threads concerning arguments and moderation issues, but that is the ONLY thing I can state about her modding, she's no snake, anyhow. But I'd trust Ren completely. Then again, would 'rax, but Ren doesn't seem to take much user-visible role in admining.
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Cal, who among us would you trust to be a completely impartial head admin even when subjected to years of personal abuse and pointless drama?
I can think of one. Maybe.
Better question. "WHY is he getting "years of personal abuse"?" Was that his impartiality of which you talk about? Or perhaps it was that he was misusing his power and making a shitload of very bad choices and when his pigeons come back to roost the more disingenuous here treat him as a poor beset upon Admin?
I would like you to discuss this question and in context of THIS answer I will address YOUR question.
Wasn't it you who accused Odeon of being completely impartial? It certainly wasn't I.
One thing for sure is that if I were running this place I would be far from impartial. So it aint me either what I'm talking about.
There is also the question of proportionality. Every bully ever has claimed either that their victim deserves the excessive and disproportional abuse given to them, or that they are somehow doing their victim a favour, or "just having a bit of fun, no harm intended". There may be other reasons that bullies give, you're probably in a better position to say.
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Cal, who among us would you trust to be a completely impartial head admin even when subjected to years of personal abuse and pointless drama?
I can think of one. Maybe.
Better question. "WHY is he getting "years of personal abuse"?" Was that his impartiality of which you talk about? Or perhaps it was that he was misusing his power and making a shitload of very bad choices and when his pigeons come back to roost the more disingenuous here treat him as a poor beset upon Admin?
I would like you to discuss this question and in context of THIS answer I will address YOUR question.
Wasn't it you who accused Odeon of being completely impartial? It certainly wasn't I.
One thing for sure is that if I were running this place I would be far from impartial. So it aint me either what I'm talking about.
There is also the question of proportionality. Every bully ever has claimed either that their victim deserves the excessive and disproportional abuse given to them, or that they are somehow doing their victim a favour, or "just having a bit of fun, no harm intended". There may be other reasons that bullies give, you're probably in a better position to say.
There is a reason Odeon is disliked by me. It was not always that way and did not come out of a vacuum. None of this is contestable. The "personal abuse" over the last few years is NOT one way trading. What on Earth are you talking about disproportionality? On which side and by which reckoning? Neither Odeon nor I are the "bully" in this situation or we both are.
Its just bullshit and propaganda calling it otherwise.
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Never seen a bully admit that their actions are disproportionate to any provocation, real or imagined. Don't expect to see such an admission any time soon. How 'bout you?
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Never seen a bully admit that their actions are disproportionate to any provocation, real or imagined. Don't expect to see such an admission any time soon. How 'bout you?
No idea. In accounting for a bully on I2, by what non-subjective measure do you use? See I generally do not use that term, not here, and for good reason. Worse still is trying to divide two people fighting and feuding especially over a number of years and accounting for one party being at fault and the other as being as being faultless or otherwise the victim in the narrative.
You are not going to be silly enough to try .....are you?
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I've thought about walking away many times. The constant (yes, that's how it feels to me) bullshit directed at me gets to be too much every now and then. Of course, I could simply take a leave of absence, stay away for a couple of weeks or months, but that always begs the question: why should I keep the damned thing online in the first place?
THIS is a decent question. Maybe you're not the right person to do so.
And no - I'm not either. I don't care enough.
Sorry, do what? Answer the question? Keep the board online?
Keep it online.
Currently I'm the only one who can answer it.
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Oh, and Al: I thought about replying to your post and then decided it's not worth my time because I don't actually care about what you think. You've been on repeat the last several years and it gets old after the first few dozen times.
Yes i am consistent. Easy to keep facts straight and a consistent narrative when you are honest and tell the truth.
:spitscreen:
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Oh, and Al: I thought about replying to your post and then decided it's not worth my time because I don't actually care about what you think. You've been on repeat the last several years and it gets old after the first few dozen times.
Yes i am consistent. Easy to keep facts straight and a consistent narrative when you are honest and tell the truth.
:spitscreen:
In new news "Water is wet , Ice is cold and the sun is hot"
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There is also the question of proportionality. Every bully ever has claimed either that their victim deserves the excessive and disproportional abuse given to them, or that they are somehow doing their victim a favour, or "just having a bit of fun, no harm intended". There may be other reasons that bullies give, you're probably in a better position to say.
There's the "it's the way he reacts to the TRUTH" line, too.
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Oh, and Al: I thought about replying to your post and then decided it's not worth my time because I don't actually care about what you think. You've been on repeat the last several years and it gets old after the first few dozen times.
Yes i am consistent. Easy to keep facts straight and a consistent narrative when you are honest and tell the truth.
:spitscreen:
In new news "Water is wet , Ice is cold and the sun is hot"
A variation of "since this is true, my previous bullshit must be, too".
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Never seen a bully admit that their actions are disproportionate to any provocation, real or imagined. Don't expect to see such an admission any time soon. How 'bout you?
No idea. In accounting for a bully on I2, by what non-subjective measure do you use? See I generally do not use that term, not here, and for good reason. Worse still is trying to divide two people fighting and feuding especially over a number of years and accounting for one party being at fault and the other as being as being faultless or otherwise the victim in the narrative.
You are not going to be silly enough to try .....are you?
One party does not need to be faultless in order for a pattern of behaviour to be described as bullying. If, over an extended period of time, the abuse appears to be one-sided and disproportionate, I feel comfortable making a subjective assessment of bullying.
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Never seen a bully admit that their actions are disproportionate to any provocation, real or imagined. Don't expect to see such an admission any time soon. How 'bout you?
No idea. In accounting for a bully on I2, by what non-subjective measure do you use? See I generally do not use that term, not here, and for good reason. Worse still is trying to divide two people fighting and feuding especially over a number of years and accounting for one party being at fault and the other as being as being faultless or otherwise the victim in the narrative.
You are not going to be silly enough to try .....are you?
One party does not need to be faultless in order for a pattern of behaviour to be described as bullying. If, over an extended period of time, the abuse appears to be one-sided and disproportionate, I feel comfortable making a subjective assessment of bullying.
Aha.
Okay, who started the feud?
Who has broken every truce?
Who has used admin panels to force their will?
Who has threatened banning?
Who has bought the opponents family into the feud?
Get the fuck out of here you Goofy Mother fucker. You are not obviously in the right state of mind to make subjective judgments on proportionality or what has or has not transpired. Before you start, I am not say I have been bullied or that I am a victim but Odeon sure the fuck isn't either and pretending he is is fucking moronic.
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You sound angry Al. Why is that?
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Custom titles, weren't they/aren't they at a user's request? mine was.
Yes. You have to beg an admin to change it.
For no apparent reason. And sometimes, they get set for you.
Can't recall an instance when a request was denied.
Doesn't make a difference.
Yes it does. There's a difference between sometimes and always. If there's a point to be made about admin control over custom titles, then sometimes isn't it.
A power imbalance is a power imbalance. If I'm on at some hour when there isn't an admin, and I want
to change my profile completely, I cannot. It's got nothing to do with whether it will eventually happen.
It's a pointless restriction, IMO. AND, it's not just some left-over bit of code. The request to change
this was made (I think subject to a vote even) and disallowed.
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I've thought about walking away many times. The constant (yes, that's how it feels to me) bullshit directed at me gets to be too much every now and then. Of course, I could simply take a leave of absence, stay away for a couple of weeks or months, but that always begs the question: why should I keep the damned thing online in the first place?
THIS is a decent question. Maybe you're not the right person to do so.
And no - I'm not either. I don't care enough.
Sorry, do what? Answer the question? Keep the board online?
Keep it online.
Currently I'm the only one who can answer it.
Yep. I honestly don't know if you're capable of being dispassionate in your use of the admin panel.
Nor if being so would spoil what value you get from running the site.
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Don't think it's possible for members to be completely impartial.
Of course not. But those in power can TRY to apply things more fairly.
And certainly try to avoid any appearance even of an abuse of power.
How important is that to a functioning and successful online community? Probably almost not at all.
My own experience has shown that abusing power with a reasonable explanation is better than being
hidebound about standing up for principles - at least for the health of the community. But, I care more
about the principles than the effects. For me, the ends never justify the means. I'm off my rocker that way.
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You sound angry Al. Why is that?
No I am incredulous
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Custom titles, weren't they/aren't they at a user's request? mine was.
Yes. You have to beg an admin to change it.
For no apparent reason. And sometimes, they get set for you.
Can't recall an instance when a request was denied.
Doesn't make a difference.
Yes it does. There's a difference between sometimes and always. If there's a point to be made about admin control over custom titles, then sometimes isn't it.
A power imbalance is a power imbalance. If I'm on at some hour when there isn't an admin, and I want
to change my profile completely, I cannot. It's got nothing to do with whether it will eventually happen.
It's a pointless restriction, IMO. AND, it's not just some left-over bit of code. The request to change
this was made (I think subject to a vote even) and disallowed.
This vote ten years ago? http://www.intensitysquared.com/index.php/topic,7512.45/viewresults.html Memory is an interesting thing. Still can't help but wonder what asking nicely would have resulted in the here and now.
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I have to say, Cal, that the more you post, the more you stay the same.
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This vote ten years ago? http://www.intensitysquared.com/index.php/topic,7512.45/viewresults.html Memory is an interesting thing. Still can't help but wonder what asking nicely would have resulted in the here and now.
This was during the democracy, IIRC. We didn't have to beg for things from the staff, in theory.
EDIT: Apparently not. But, it seemed a reasonable thing to ask the membership about, rather
than just seek fiat anyhow. No matter how you put it, begging favors - whether just for myself
or for everyone - is simply not the way the world should work.
The 'big man' culture of favors is, to me, rather disgusting, even if it is how most of human society has always
worked. 'Tis the heart of corruption.
It's similar to how disabled people don't want everyone to open doors for them. They want to be able
to do things for themselves.
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I have to say, Cal, that the more you post, the more you stay the same.
Of course. While you have become increasingly corrupt.
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I have to say, Cal, that the more you post, the more you stay the same.
Of course. While you have become increasingly corrupt.
It wasn't a positive sentiment.
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I have to say, Cal, that the more you post, the more you stay the same.
Of course. While you have become increasingly corrupt.
It wasn't a positive sentiment.
It was. You just don't get it.
And you hide from whatever truth there may be behind these concerns, with cheap little quips.
That is, and has always been your tactic.
What I am, what Scrap is, what Les is, what various people who have abandoned the site due
to false pretexts are - none of this matters terribly. What matters is how you act, as an admin.
And, because you have no actual defense, you resort to smearing and bullying.
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I guess that depends on who you ask. You haven't changed, Cal, and if you think that's somehow a good thing, then I feel sorry for you. But hey, whatever gets you through the night.
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I guess that depends on who you ask. You haven't changed, Cal, and if you think that's somehow a good thing, then I feel sorry for you. But hey, whatever gets you through the night.
You have absolutely changed. It is redundant suggesting otherwise
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I guess that depends on who you ask. You haven't changed, Cal, and if you think that's somehow a good thing, then I feel sorry for you. But hey, whatever gets you through the night.
You have absolutely changed. It is redundant suggesting otherwise
I'm not sure how much - at least once Dunc left.
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This vote ten years ago? http://www.intensitysquared.com/index.php/topic,7512.45/viewresults.html Memory is an interesting thing. Still can't help but wonder what asking nicely would have resulted in the here and now.
This was during the democracy, IIRC. We didn't have to beg for things from the staff, in theory.
EDIT: Apparently not. But, it seemed a reasonable thing to ask the membership about, rather
than just seek fiat anyhow. No matter how you put it, begging favors - whether just for myself
or for everyone - is simply not the way the world should work.
The 'big man' culture of favors is, to me, rather disgusting, even if it is how most of human society has always
worked. 'Tis the heart of corruption.
It's similar to how disabled people don't want everyone to open doors for them. They want to be able
to do things for themselves.
It was a memory from a time when decisions were made by votes and the vote result appears to have been upheld. As for the point being made here, it's only a matter of perspective. If at any point in time I had ever seen anyone say they would like the ability to change their own custom title and it had been denied, then I might agree with you. It's your own view that you see asking for a title change, or even asking for the right to change your own title, to be groveling. I can accept that about you and understand you don't want to ask for either, but from my perspective you screwed it all up by making it as if Odeon is some sort of bad guy making you grovel for stuff. Not sure what would have been a better approach. Maybe suggesting to me that I grovel for you. :laugh: Also, was hoping you would have noticed the oddity in that old poll.
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Whilst I am currently happy with my title (it came from a joke aimed at me by a now years retired GP. He actually had a sense of humour, and seeing how many meds I was on at the time called me 'a pharmaceutical dustbin', because for some reason, I've always been somewhat hard to affect strongly with sedating/opioid type meds, and seem to in particular have a hard head for the first resort benzos, valium, chlordiazepoxide, lorazepam, temazepam in particular, and have some sort of particular affinity towards nitrobenzodiazepines, meaning in this country, on an NHS scriptable group, equates to either nitrazepam or loprazolam (no, not lorazepam, quite different), so if ever I do need a benzo, it's one of the two I ask specifically for in preference to any others)....he seemed to find it amusing that I had tastes in anxiolytics discerning enough to be partially based on their SAR/QSAR, plus being seemingly built like a tank without a benzo tolerance, and able to take doses scripted that would put most people out for several DAYS, and have to tell the doc 'errrm....I am not being affected at this dose, I generally don't start to be either until the doses make doctors freak the hell out, unless the benzos are those with that all-important nitro group there, which, due to, IIRC, additional serotonergic activity with nitrobenzodiazepines.
But I am strongly in favour of the custom title thing being at the user's discretion, to do it themselves.
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I guess that depends on who you ask. You haven't changed, Cal, and if you think that's somehow a good thing, then I feel sorry for you. But hey, whatever gets you through the night.
You have absolutely changed. It is redundant suggesting otherwise
Reading comprehension fail?
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I guess that depends on who you ask. You haven't changed, Cal, and if you think that's somehow a good thing, then I feel sorry for you. But hey, whatever gets you through the night.
You have absolutely changed. It is redundant suggesting otherwise
Reading comprehension fail?
No, Just a point. Cal has not changed, sure. Nor I. You have though and not for the better.
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It was a memory from a time when decisions were made by votes and the vote result appears to have been upheld. As for the point being made here, it's only a matter of perspective. If at any point in time I had ever seen anyone say they would like the ability to change their own custom title and it had been denied, then I might agree with you. It's your own view that you see asking for a title change, or even asking for the right to change your own title, to be groveling. I can accept that about you and understand you don't want to ask for either, but from my perspective you screwed it all up by making it as if Odeon is some sort of bad guy making you grovel for stuff. Not sure what would have been a better approach. Maybe suggesting to me that I grovel for you. :laugh: Also, was hoping you would have noticed the oddity in that old poll.
Meh. That poll screwed nothing itself. Except that, at that time, ME asking anything was going to
be unpopular.
What I noticed was that you chose a particular point in the poll, rather than the first page so that the
entire flow could be determined. I'm not sure if that's what you're referring to.
Here's the background - some members enjoyed shifting their profiles about quite a bit at that time.
The reason I was de-admined was actually the start of this broader practice. The fact that, in order to
play this little game, we needed to have an 'on call' admin to perform the change was an annoyance
to swift changes.
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But I am strongly in favour of the custom title thing being at the user's discretion, to do it themselves.
AND, if it is, admin 'pranks' to change it become a much lesser thing.
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I guess that depends on who you ask. You haven't changed, Cal, and if you think that's somehow a good thing, then I feel sorry for you. But hey, whatever gets you through the night.
You have absolutely changed. It is redundant suggesting otherwise
Reading comprehension fail?
No, Just a point. Cal has not changed, sure. Nor I. You have though and not for the better.
Reading comprehension fail it is.
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It was a memory from a time when decisions were made by votes and the vote result appears to have been upheld. As for the point being made here, it's only a matter of perspective. If at any point in time I had ever seen anyone say they would like the ability to change their own custom title and it had been denied, then I might agree with you. It's your own view that you see asking for a title change, or even asking for the right to change your own title, to be groveling. I can accept that about you and understand you don't want to ask for either, but from my perspective you screwed it all up by making it as if Odeon is some sort of bad guy making you grovel for stuff. Not sure what would have been a better approach. Maybe suggesting to me that I grovel for you. :laugh: Also, was hoping you would have noticed the oddity in that old poll.
Meh. That poll screwed nothing itself. Except that, at that time, ME asking anything was going to
be unpopular.
What I noticed was that you chose a particular point in the poll, rather than the first page so that the
entire flow could be determined. I'm not sure if that's what you're referring to.
Here's the background - some members enjoyed shifting their profiles about quite a bit at that time.
The reason I was de-admined was actually the start of this broader practice. The fact that, in order to
play this little game, we needed to have an 'on call' admin to perform the change was an annoyance
to swift changes.
No, found the poll in the search, so that's why the link didn't reference the first page. The results show only ten people voted but the poll options total sixteen.
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I guess that depends on who you ask. You haven't changed, Cal, and if you think that's somehow a good thing, then I feel sorry for you. But hey, whatever gets you through the night.
You have absolutely changed. It is redundant suggesting otherwise
Reading comprehension fail?
No, Just a point. Cal has not changed, sure. Nor I. You have though and not for the better.
Reading comprehension fail it is.
Not on my side. Cant speak to you and your inability to comprehend........anything
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It really looks like the constant attacks on Odeon will continue until he can't be fucked keeping the site running. Then drama llama #1 is gonna have another one to add to his tally and we'll all have to look for somewhere else to post bollocks.
WP? Yeah nah.
The old Aspies Central (it's been rebranded now)? Friendly and polite but boring.
Does one of the drama llamas have an agenda to bring down I^2 and start another forum with the members from here who have nowhere to go? I don't know, but history does have a habit of repeating itself.
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The title of this thread reminds me of what my cousin said to me and my mother years ago. He said my mother and I were born in the devil’s nutsack. I thought it was funny. He has a filthy sense of humor. Must run in the family. :orly:
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I like it here. But those who keep attacking odeon have so much else to post about themselves, what's happening in in their lives, about their interests, but it's rare. And that is just such a shame. We're missing out on quality posts.
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Exactly Ren. There comes a point at which people need to get over stuff, stop being so anal retentive. It was already boring last year and the year before that. Some are letting pointless conflict pretty much define everything about how they interact with the site, and I think that's kinda sad.
Maybe not as sad as how I enjoy pointless arguments with stupid people who don't know that they are stupid, but sad nonetheless.
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It was a memory from a time when decisions were made by votes and the vote result appears to have been upheld. As for the point being made here, it's only a matter of perspective. If at any point in time I had ever seen anyone say they would like the ability to change their own custom title and it had been denied, then I might agree with you. It's your own view that you see asking for a title change, or even asking for the right to change your own title, to be groveling. I can accept that about you and understand you don't want to ask for either, but from my perspective you screwed it all up by making it as if Odeon is some sort of bad guy making you grovel for stuff. Not sure what would have been a better approach. Maybe suggesting to me that I grovel for you. :laugh: Also, was hoping you would have noticed the oddity in that old poll.
Meh. That poll screwed nothing itself. Except that, at that time, ME asking anything was going to
be unpopular.
What I noticed was that you chose a particular point in the poll, rather than the first page so that the
entire flow could be determined. I'm not sure if that's what you're referring to.
Here's the background - some members enjoyed shifting their profiles about quite a bit at that time.
The reason I was de-admined was actually the start of this broader practice. The fact that, in order to
play this little game, we needed to have an 'on call' admin to perform the change was an annoyance
to swift changes.
No, found the poll in the search, so that's why the link didn't reference the first page. The results show only ten people voted but the poll options total sixteen.
Ah. Neat catch. I'm guessing deleted accounts.
SMF has some serious quirks.
But, maybe it's worth going with the admin tinkering with vote count option. :D
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It really looks like the constant attacks on Odeon will continue until he can't be fucked keeping the site running. Then drama llama #1 is gonna have another one to add to his tally and we'll all have to look for somewhere else to post bollocks.
I'm sure he'll be very proud.
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It really looks like the constant attacks on Odeon will continue until he can't be fucked keeping the site running. Then drama llama #1 is gonna have another one to add to his tally and we'll all have to look for somewhere else to post bollocks.
WP? Yeah nah.
The old Aspies Central (it's been rebranded now)? Friendly and polite but boring.
Does one of the drama llamas have an agenda to bring down I^2 and start another forum with the members from here who have nowhere to go? I don't know, but history does have a habit of repeating itself.
I doubt it. Les and Scrap have both been continuously active for too long. As to me, and my break,
I came back out of boredom, and got drawn in again. I'm neither involved in any other
sites (though I'd be on WP if I wasn't banned).
From what I know of each of these characters (including me), there is both a sense of connection here AND
a real disagreement with the way some things are done.
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I like it here. But those who keep attacking odeon have so much else to post about themselves, what's happening in in their lives, about their interests, but it's rare. And that is just such a shame. We're missing out on quality posts.
I can only speak for myself, but most of that kind of stuff is boring to me.
I wouldn't want to inflict it on others. :D
Golden rule and all - so I bore them with what is more engaging to me.
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Exactly Ren. There comes a point at which people need to get over stuff, stop being so anal retentive.
If it didn't keep repeating itself, with additional admin excesses, I bet you it would die down quite a bit.
If a criminal keeps committing a crime, the community shouldn't just get used to it.
Unless it's the US President.
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That's bs, Cal. Your MO was always to harp on anyone in power and you really, really haven't changed. Al had no problems with me until I dared to criticise his behaviour towards Zegh (this is where he'll cut in with something or the other about how Zegh wasn't innocent). Scrap? No idea. You tell me.
And this, of course, is where you do a variation of how corrupt I am. ::) Except you already did, while I wrote this.
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And as for how long I can be arsed to keep this place online, essentially MOSW is correct. When all I get out of this place is yet another attack, that could be it.
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That's bs, Cal. Your MO was always to harp on anyone in power and you really, really haven't changed.
Because power corrupts.
One has to be incredibly vigilant to prevent it.
And that, my friend, you are certainly not.
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It really looks like the constant attacks on Odeon will continue until he can't be fucked keeping the site running. Then drama llama #1 is gonna have another one to add to his tally and we'll all have to look for somewhere else to post bollocks.
WP? Yeah nah.
The old Aspies Central (it's been rebranded now)? Friendly and polite but boring.
Does one of the drama llamas have an agenda to bring down I^2 and start another forum with the members from here who have nowhere to go? I don't know, but history does have a habit of repeating itself.
Why would he ever put himself in such a fucking ridiculous situation where through a series of very stupid and deliberate choices including hypocritically ragging on member's family relationships and moderating them and taking sides in arguments that have nothing to do with them and breaking truces to ongoing feuds, that they now have a sizable percentage of a small reducing membership antagonist towards him.
Surely Blind Freddy could see none of this makes him a victim in the slightest and these actions both do not confer a want to not be "attacked" AND do not seem to be how someone interested in maintaining forum well-being. Each of these things run counter. If you wanted to have people antagonistic towards you then this would be almost an instructional how to behave.
But I get it. It is up to everyone else to pander to him and allow him to treat them however he wants without pushback.
How about "No".
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I like it here. But those who keep attacking odeon have so much else to post about themselves, what's happening in in their lives, about their interests, but it's rare. And that is just such a shame. We're missing out on quality posts.
Yes and unfortunately it is at least on my account due to two things: His actions and my inclination not to take his bullshit. (Hey I worked towards a truce a number of times and he broke every single one. Can't be bothered now. Don't trust him to keep his word and let things go and not inclined to put up with his shit). Make no mistake I am making active choices of my own. But this choices are a result from his actions. Did not have to be like this but it is now.
He should have made better choices, but it is what it is.
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That's bs, Cal. Your MO was always to harp on anyone in power and you really, really haven't changed.
Because power corrupts.
One has to be incredibly vigilant to prevent it.
And that, my friend, you are certainly not.
It's really funny how you keep trying to deflect anyhow.
It's like you get caught stealing an apple, and start complaining how cops
have it in for vegetarians. Or apple thieves. Or something.
It's fucking irrelevant. You shouldn't be stealing the apple.
Why not just STOP?
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That's bs, Cal. Your MO was always to harp on anyone in power and you really, really haven't changed.
Because power corrupts.
One has to be incredibly vigilant to prevent it.
And that, my friend, you are certainly not.
I'm not your friend. And this is a bs argument.
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Why not just STOP?
Because it's a lie and a bullshit argument.
I know, you'd just keep on posting. Or not. But that's the difference between us. I could stop but then I'd be asking myself why I gave a forum for people like you. And that's when you'd stop, too. At least here.
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You are where you are because of your actions. You antagonised, favoured, abuse mod tools, picked on member's family relations, threatened banning ......
AND....
You have the temerity to pretend that you have done NOTHING to account for what is now a sizable proportion of the community treating you poorly.
Why the Hell wouldn't we? (Not rhetorical)
Hell, there was a stage where i even entertained a truce. I did a number of times and my reasoning was simple, it was not good for the forum, the other members did not deserve the bullshit, and you were too fucking stupid to fix things of your own making.
You broke every one of those truces including the last one where you went after my family relationships.
So fuck you and your faux oppression, Odeon.
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I like it here. But those who keep attacking odeon have so much else to post about themselves, what's happening in in their lives, about their interests, but it's rare. And that is just such a shame. We're missing out on quality posts.
Agreed.
Happen to like both "contestants".
Sometimes I do glance at the ongoing hostilities and am amazed what futile things are enough to keep it fueled. Now the meaning of "stumble" is enough to keep the "fire" burning for days . It's amazing, and at the same time incredibly boring. Boring enough to feel the lust for life wanting to leave my body.
I love life, so I skip the whole shit again for a while. And focus on the posts I do like. Luckily there are other posts.
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You are where you are because of your actions. You antagonised, favoured, abuse mod tools, picked on member's family relations, threatened banning ......
AND....
You have the temerity to pretend that you have done NOTHING to account for what is now a sizable proportion of the community treating you poorly.
Why the Hell wouldn't we? (Not rhetorical)
Hell, there was a stage where i even entertained a truce. I did a number of times and my reasoning was simple, it was not good for the forum, the other members did not deserve the bullshit, and you were too fucking stupid to fix things of your own making.
You broke every one of those truces including the last one where you went after my family relationships.
So fuck you and your faux oppression, Odeon.
In other news, the earth is flat.
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That's bs, Cal. Your MO was always to harp on anyone in power and you really, really haven't changed. Al had no problems with me until I dared to criticise his behaviour towards Zegh (this is where he'll cut in with something or the other about how Zegh wasn't innocent). Scrap? No idea. You tell me.
And this, of course, is where you do a variation of how corrupt I am. ::) Except you already did, while I wrote this.
Gee, that could have nothing to do with you accusing me of being responsible for mass shootings in the US. ::) ::) ::)
Or any other of your dickheaded posts aimed at me for that matter.
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That's bs, Cal. Your MO was always to harp on anyone in power and you really, really haven't changed.
Because power corrupts.
One has to be incredibly vigilant to prevent it.
And that, my friend, you are certainly not.
I'm not your friend. And this is a bs argument.
Even if such a broad truth was 'bs', you consistently abuse power.
Therefore, it is relevant to YOU.
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Why not just STOP?
Because it's a lie and a bullshit argument.
I know, you'd just keep on posting. Or not. But that's the difference between us. I could stop but then I'd be asking myself why I gave a forum for people like you. And that's when you'd stop, too. At least here.
So...you won't stop abusing power because maybe you'd keep getting accused of
abusing power? And if you had to stop abusing it, it's "giving the forum" to those
you abuse?
WTF is WRONG with you? You're psychotic.
If you're embracing this, I can see you cannot be reached.
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That's bs, Cal. Your MO was always to harp on anyone in power and you really, really haven't changed. Al had no problems with me until I dared to criticise his behaviour towards Zegh (this is where he'll cut in with something or the other about how Zegh wasn't innocent). Scrap? No idea. You tell me.
And this, of course, is where you do a variation of how corrupt I am. ::) Except you already did, while I wrote this.
Gee, that could have nothing to do with you accusing me of being responsible for mass shootings in the US. ::) ::) ::)
Or any other of your dickheaded posts aimed at me for that matter.
No. Word on the street is that he didnt do anything and is the innocence victim to whom all actions, words and deeds are automatically sanctified the moment they come into existence, and those that object to these now saintly behaviours are obviously unreasonable bullies and perhaps a little bit evil.
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"perhaps a little bit evil"?
Why do I have a mental image of you filing down your horns, like Hellboy, when you say that?
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IIRC there was a strange thing going on during the callout between ZEGH and Al. There was a piece in the open, as happens in a call-oit. And it got clear in the end that there was a simultaneous one going on via PM. Where other colours were shown. That made it impossible for the community to get any proper idea about what happened.
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That's bs, Cal. Your MO was always to harp on anyone in power and you really, really haven't changed. Al had no problems with me until I dared to criticise his behaviour towards Zegh (this is where he'll cut in with something or the other about how Zegh wasn't innocent). Scrap? No idea. You tell me.
And this, of course, is where you do a variation of how corrupt I am. ::) Except you already did, while I wrote this.
Gee, that could have nothing to do with you accusing me of being responsible for mass shootings in the US. ::) ::) ::)
Or any other of your dickheaded posts aimed at me for that matter.
You probably should reread what I wrote.
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Why not just STOP?
Because it's a lie and a bullshit argument.
I know, you'd just keep on posting. Or not. But that's the difference between us. I could stop but then I'd be asking myself why I gave a forum for people like you. And that's when you'd stop, too. At least here.
So...you won't stop abusing power because maybe you'd keep getting accused of
abusing power? And if you had to stop abusing it, it's "giving the forum" to those
you abuse?
WTF is WRONG with you? You're psychotic.
If you're embracing this, I can see you cannot be reached.
Do you deliberately follow up a lie with another lie?
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IIRC there was a strange thing going on during the callout between ZEGH and Al. There was a piece in the open, as happens in a call-oit. And it got clear in the end that there was a simultaneous one going on via PM. Where other colours were shown. That made it impossible for the community to get any proper idea about what happened.
To an extent there was two callouts for sure BUT stuff like this low blow personal bullshit was on his side and in the open.
The more anti-islamic you identify yourself, coincidentally, the more conservative you are as well, which indicentally makes you anti-feminist, which in the end renders you someone pretty damn similar to muslims.
The large majority American muslims are democrats. US gallop poles related to university degrees indicate muslim women in the US are the second highest educated religious group, after jewish women. :dunno:
Indeed. Many aspects of Islam can fit very well with "Feminist views" such as a woman's right to work and right to keep all of her pay and the husband's right to provide for her from HIS pay"
fuck off you manipulative old fuck. no wonder your wife fucking left you.
You know what I meant, and you are still debating semantics.
And boo hoo, name calling, was that in contrary to the tradition and culture of I2 political debate?
"Extremely religious people that happen to be Conservative have similar views to extremely fundamental Muslims, no issue." basically what I said, but without those words: semantics.
How on EARTH did you become this obsessive? Was it your ex wife?
Either way, too late for you, old man. You're gonna die a pathetic shit
So he definitely went personal first and that was in the open and before that shit he did via PM.
It was not hidden and having gone there, he deserved being hit back. Odeon took a side. He did not have to but he did. I suggested at the time it was not a great idea and was not likely to wind up anywhere good. Things escalated. Here we are.
Zegh did not have to go there and Odeon did not have to take a side in things. bad choices. Odeon did not have to go all in. Bad choice. If you throw your all behind something, then it is difficult to extract yourself from that commitment later. It comes with risk. He made continue bad plays and screwed things up but still does not want to give accounting for his choices.
Why? Its embarrassing and humiliating and he is an egotist. Why make yourself vulnerable? Why not just now try to play the victim? Problem is that does not change what is or what was or what will be.
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You know what the first thing I notice about those posts is?
Those posts were made in 2015.
It's now 2019.
There has to come a time to let things go.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L0MK7qz13bU
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If I got butthurt enough over the stupid cr@p that gets posted in this place - most of it by me - that I was still butthurt about it a day later.... I'd be out of here so fast you wouldn't see me for dust.
Why is this stupid sh1t so important that it's still getting dragged out 4 YEARS LATER??????
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If I got butthurt enough over the stupid cr@p that gets posted in this place - most of it by me - that I was still butthurt about it a day later.... I'd be out of here so fast you wouldn't see me for dust.
Why is this stupid sh1t so important that it's still getting dragged out 4 YEARS LATER??????
I am not butthurt. I just don't reward shitty behaviour.
You think bringing up my family and my relationship to them is a good idea (for example)? I say it isn't and say stepping over that line will not go anywhere that you would like to go. It is the wrong thing to do and a bad choice.
If you are a mod and fuck with me with mod tools for reasons that have everything to do with being emotional and wanting to fuck with me and nothing to do with breaking rules (for example) I would say that is a bad choice and probably not somewhere where either of us will have a great time or think back on it as a win.
So it goes. Similar things could be said for siding against me in a feud with someone who has gone into the gutter against me, Breaking truces and so forth.
Now you may say "But that was a long time ago". Okay let's follow that logic through. "That was a long time ago and.....therefore anyone saying that should...." Because it seems to me that any way you cut it they wait it out and....get away with their shit behaviour.
I did get talked into a truce. Three times. Guess how many Odeon broke. Three. Guess who is not interested letting shit slide anymore?
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Point is that I see one party acting like a dick day in, day out, over his version of shit that happened in the past.
Other people have different versions of shit that happened in the past but, guess what? They let it go. Or they left.
I've had differences with people on forums in the past. Normally the feud lasts for, like, only a year or two and then I forget. Nah, it lasts until I've finished saying what I've got to say about their behaviour and then I move on.
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Why not just STOP?
Because it's a lie and a bullshit argument.
I know, you'd just keep on posting. Or not. But that's the difference between us. I could stop but then I'd be asking myself why I gave a forum for people like you. And that's when you'd stop, too. At least here.
So...you won't stop abusing power because maybe you'd keep getting accused of
abusing power? And if you had to stop abusing it, it's "giving the forum" to those
you abuse?
WTF is WRONG with you? You're psychotic.
If you're embracing this, I can see you cannot be reached.
Do you deliberately follow up a lie with another lie?
Ok, you're showing delusions too.
You can't deny that you've been abusing power. It's flat out there for anyone to see.
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Point is that I see one party acting like a dick day in, day out, over his version of shit that happened in the past.
Point is, I see one person with access to the admin panel, misusing that ability to bully opposition.
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Point is that I see one party acting like a dick day in, day out, over his version of shit that happened in the past.
Other people have different versions of shit that happened in the past but, guess what? They let it go. Or they left.
I've had differences with people on forums in the past. Normally the feud lasts for, like, only a year or two and then I forget. Nah, it lasts until I've finished saying what I've got to say about their behaviour and then I move on.
Right so YOU do things one way and I do things another way that is different to the way you do things? I do things different to you because I am not you? I am a different person?
I am responsible for every post I've made. There, responsability taken. Now what else does he want? The apology.
Missed this part of your post. Of course you're responsible for your posts. Can't really speak for anyone else, but an apology seems out of order. Maybe they want apologies and am personally misunderstanding the whole thing. Thinking apology isn't it. Sir Les's and DFG's manner of responses to personal insults can be expected by anyone who has previously seen them react. You're hardly a new or infrequent member, so am guessing you knew exactly what would happen. That's the one thing I haven't seen you state clearly; taking responsibility for being the cause of a easily pre-determined reaction.
I don't think that should be a hinder, but I know what you mean.
When I bluntly stated "idiot" in DFG's thread, I expected a reaction, but not half a year of it.
When I responded, equally bluntly, to Al in the thread where it all started, I also expected a reaction - but not half a year of it.
It now seems to fall on me, to do something about two people who are willing to react for at least 8 months to an insult. Believe me, I have insulted a LOT of people through the years, on this forum as well, but nobody took the reaction to these lengths, a "flame war" usually flames out over the course of a week, a month at most.
If I can do something _specific_ to unruffle ruffled feathers, I will - but I will not refrain from posting (or leave the forum) just because I've insulted people who will not let down once riled up. That is on them, not me.
I've been insulted as well, and not meaning by them, but by other people, other places. If I begun to freak out for 8 months in a row, I would prooobably be banned long before then (on most normal forums), but it would be entirely on me, to choose to react in that manner.
What happened to :viking: ?
I know that I took my insults far. And I am entirely prepared to apologize for that, if that is what is wanted.
Correct, reacting in the manner they have reacted isn't indicative of you, though the personal insults seemingly out of left field are. Fully agree their manner of response shouldn't be a hindrance to you; that's why previously stated that none of you should stop anything, as you're all simply being yourselves. Maybe a resolution is in order, maybe it's not. Have witnessed this method of reaction from Sir Les and DFG, some instances of things so old they pre-date my ability to know or understand the situation, so thus believe leaving wouldn't really end it, except maybe for you. Jack expected years. Not sure why you didn't.
years!?
Well, I didn't because a human lifetime is limited :D surely, there has to be other things to occupy one's mind after a certain length of time... :D
After a few months of this, then yes, I AM expecting this to last indefinitely, or untill I agree to - - - something! What exactly that is still eludes me.
Years is correct. Thought you knew,
It is funny when people like yourself pretend that this kind of repercussion is unexpected.
Everyone seemed to know except for Zegh (and I suspect he did too)
What it all comes down to is someone thinks they will be an arsehole and makes that choice. That is on them. They get to control the decision and the impulse. But once they act out and it is out of their control they are responsible for the repercussions. They do not get to take back control, retire it, hide it or pretend it was not them being an arsehole. As the receiver of that behaviour, the receiver has the option to do whatever they like with it.
So the arsehole needs to be is responsible for who and what they say and do and do not control the reaction. They better pick their targets, how invested they are in doing their arseholery, and IF they do something shitty the do not get the privilege to downplay, dismiss or pretend that they aren't responsible for their action.
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Why not just STOP?
Because it's a lie and a bullshit argument.
I know, you'd just keep on posting. Or not. But that's the difference between us. I could stop but then I'd be asking myself why I gave a forum for people like you. And that's when you'd stop, too. At least here.
So...you won't stop abusing power because maybe you'd keep getting accused of
abusing power? And if you had to stop abusing it, it's "giving the forum" to those
you abuse?
WTF is WRONG with you? You're psychotic.
If you're embracing this, I can see you cannot be reached.
Do you deliberately follow up a lie with another lie?
Ok, you're showing delusions too.
You can't deny that you've been abusing power. It's flat out there for anyone to see.
I think he knows this but will never admit it. His ego can't handle it.
Point is that I see one party acting like a dick day in, day out, over his version of shit that happened in the past.
Point is, I see one person with access to the admin panel, misusing that ability to bully opposition.
Yes. He has tried a number of attempts to downplay and justify this but he need not. He is transparently using mod tools and threaten to try to silence dissent and the fact that it makes him look like the butthurt corrupt asshat he is each time, is just evidence of his ego and lack of introspection.
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Yes Al. You and I are different people. I'm not a fucking pillow with legs. I don't go around proving that Jordan Peterson is the stupid man's smart person. Different.
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Why not just STOP?
Because it's a lie and a bullshit argument.
I know, you'd just keep on posting. Or not. But that's the difference between us. I could stop but then I'd be asking myself why I gave a forum for people like you. And that's when you'd stop, too. At least here.
So...you won't stop abusing power because maybe you'd keep getting accused of
abusing power? And if you had to stop abusing it, it's "giving the forum" to those
you abuse?
WTF is WRONG with you? You're psychotic.
If you're embracing this, I can see you cannot be reached.
Do you deliberately follow up a lie with another lie?
Ok, you're showing delusions too.
You can't deny that you've been abusing power. It's flat out there for anyone to see.
:wanker:
This was tiresome ten years ago and it's tiresome now.
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If I got butthurt enough over the stupid cr@p that gets posted in this place - most of it by me - that I was still butthurt about it a day later.... I'd be out of here so fast you wouldn't see me for dust.
Why is this stupid sh1t so important that it's still getting dragged out 4 YEARS LATER??????
I think the original butthurt got infected. Multiple times, probably.
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Yes Al. You and I are different people. I'm not a fucking pillow with legs. I don't go around proving that Jordan Peterson is the stupid man's smart person. Different.
You could if you liked. Though i he is someone i have some issues with two. For example trying to wxplain Pepe and Kek has him talking about the underworld and what kind of creature a frog is and such. Cringeworthy. He doesnt always hit the mark. But he does it enough and on the points that matter
But that's my opinion. I don't care much either way. I may argue some positions just for the Hell of it
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If I got butthurt enough over the stupid cr@p that gets posted in this place - most of it by me - that I was still butthurt about it a day later.... I'd be out of here so fast you wouldn't see me for dust.
Why is this stupid sh1t so important that it's still getting dragged out 4 YEARS LATER??????
I think the original butthurt got infected. Multiple times, probably.
That perfectly explain how you got to a place where you used the mod tools against me and later took a leave of absence vowing you were thinking of closing the site.
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Why not just STOP?
Because it's a lie and a bullshit argument.
I know, you'd just keep on posting. Or not. But that's the difference between us. I could stop but then I'd be asking myself why I gave a forum for people like you. And that's when you'd stop, too. At least here.
So...you won't stop abusing power because maybe you'd keep getting accused of
abusing power? And if you had to stop abusing it, it's "giving the forum" to those
you abuse?
WTF is WRONG with you? You're psychotic.
If you're embracing this, I can see you cannot be reached.
Do you deliberately follow up a lie with another lie?
Ok, you're showing delusions too.
You can't deny that you've been abusing power. It's flat out there for anyone to see.
:wanker:
This was tiresome ten years ago and it's tiresome now.
Not as tiresome as petty tyrants.
I'm surprised you don't see the CiC as a kindred spirit, honestly.
Now I see how people just end up calling you names constantly - you aren't self-aware enough to
even take criticism. You just continue with your shitty quips and brush offs.
All the while, acting like a FUCKING BABY if anyone actually hurts your feewings
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Pot, meet kettle.
This is the only kind of discussion you're capable of, it's how you ruined the democracy experiment. I had hoped you'd calmed down after all these years, but no such luck.
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I'm late to the drama party but I see I didn't miss much.
... but I didn’t think posting just persons name equated to d0xxing.
It doesn't. Not generally. Hell, many places require that you use your real name.
Odeon has special rules, probably for personal reasons.
*groan*
These are not my rules.
Yeah the doxxing rule isn't Odeon's and I fully support it. It's important to have places on the internet which you can keep separate from your full name.
My own experience has shown that abusing power with a reasonable explanation is better than being
hidebound about standing up for principles - at least for the health of the community.
This is an interesting point. Any thoughts as to why?
Because, I'm not sure anyone else is interested in actually making the work involved in maintaining the site.
It's a thankless task, and one which probably doesn't seem worth it at all, if everyone's just harping on you.
Are his little power trips a worthwhile cost to the members? Shit, I don't know. Maybe if the site's principles
were changed to reflect that, I'd be a lot happier with the trade off.
I^2 is a Free Speech Zone - except where it annoys the mebmonkey.
Y'know, I'd be in favor of amending things to state that. Though I'd stick a "within reason" on the end, a nice big wide open door for interpretation.
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I'm late to the drama party but I see I didn't miss much.
... but I didn’t think posting just persons name equated to d0xxing.
It doesn't. Not generally. Hell, many places require that you use your real name.
Odeon has special rules, probably for personal reasons.
*groan*
These are not my rules.
Yeah the doxxing rule isn't Odeon's and I fully support it. It's important to have places on the internet which you can keep separate from your full name.
My own experience has shown that abusing power with a reasonable explanation is better than being
hidebound about standing up for principles - at least for the health of the community.
This is an interesting point. Any thoughts as to why?
Because, I'm not sure anyone else is interested in actually making the work involved in maintaining the site.
It's a thankless task, and one which probably doesn't seem worth it at all, if everyone's just harping on you.
Are his little power trips a worthwhile cost to the members? Shit, I don't know. Maybe if the site's principles
were changed to reflect that, I'd be a lot happier with the trade off.
I^2 is a Free Speech Zone - except where it annoys the mebmonkey.
Y'know, I'd be in favor of amending things to state that. Though I'd stick a "within reason" on the end, a nice big wide open door for interpretation.
No child porn, no pissing off the host server.
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Pot, meet kettle.
This is the only kind of discussion you're capable of, it's how you ruined the democracy experiment. I had hoped you'd calmed down after all these years, but no such luck.
What else can I do? I'm bothered by your unwillingness to just admit you're a petty tyrant,
nor to give one reason to support why you think you aren't. So long as you act like you're
in denial, yet cannot defend your actions, I feel compelled to keep pointing it out.
I can accept that Dunc decided he was indeed a tyrant. What more can be done once someone
is at peace with their own self in such a way? But, instead of defending your decisions, just fucking
own that you are, do what you want, and see what happens.
I think we both suspect that most of the folk here would leave. That somehow, your pretense
by not admitting what you are, is sufficient fig leaf for them as well.
So yes. I point the truth. But no, not a pot/kettle thing. Which if you had any honesty, you would see.
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I'm late to the drama party but I see I didn't miss much.
... but I didn’t think posting just persons name equated to d0xxing.
It doesn't. Not generally. Hell, many places require that you use your real name.
Odeon has special rules, probably for personal reasons.
*groan*
These are not my rules.
Yeah the doxxing rule isn't Odeon's and I fully support it. It's important to have places on the internet which you can keep separate from your full name.
Missing the point. You keep rules in place, you own them. I'm not AGAINST a rule against
revealing names. I'm against misnaming it. In part because it can confuse people.
My own experience has shown that abusing power with a reasonable explanation is better than being
hidebound about standing up for principles - at least for the health of the community.
This is an interesting point. Any thoughts as to why?
The great corruption - that for most, the ends justify the means.
Because, I'm not sure anyone else is interested in actually making the work involved in maintaining the site.
It's a thankless task, and one which probably doesn't seem worth it at all, if everyone's just harping on you.
Are his little power trips a worthwhile cost to the members? Shit, I don't know. Maybe if the site's principles
were changed to reflect that, I'd be a lot happier with the trade off.
I^2 is a Free Speech Zone - except where it annoys the mebmonkey.
Y'know, I'd be in favor of amending things to state that. Though I'd stick a "within reason" on the end, a nice big wide open door for interpretation.
Where does the 'within reason' apply?
Because, from what I see, it's: Free Speech (within reason) zone - unless it hurts the webmonkey's feewings.
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No child porn, no pissing off the host server.
I see you agree. Those are what everyone more or less assumes as the limits to free speech here.
The stuff that's been mostly clearly stated.
There seems to be no boundaries on what Odeon might do in his tantrums.
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No child porn, no pissing off the host server.
I see you agree. Those are what everyone more or less assumes as the limits to free speech here.
The stuff that's been mostly clearly stated.
There seems to be no boundaries on what Odeon might do in his tantrums.
I noticed around the time he was taking sides against me, the search function wouldn’t work. He was siding with Zegh and accused me of bullying him despite Zegh’s bullying me. Also, Zegh has bragged about trolling a 17 year old he deemed inferior to himself while insulting me unprovoked. He has told Al Swearingen to “leave the kids alone” despite being the same age as him. The man is truly delusional. He proceeded to use ugly snark, told me on chat “ get a job, Mexican” when I told him “get a job, hippie”. Hykeaswell implied “ I didn’t see it, so it didn’t happened”, implied a lot of ignorant things. I was stressed and angry. I have ptsd and he couldn’t stop nitpicking like a child. I am owed multiple apologies.
Big double standard. Odeon knows full well and continues to lie. I no longer give a shit.
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I'm late to the drama party but I see I didn't miss much.
... but I didn’t think posting just persons name equated to d0xxing.
It doesn't. Not generally. Hell, many places require that you use your real name.
Odeon has special rules, probably for personal reasons.
*groan*
These are not my rules.
Yeah the doxxing rule isn't Odeon's and I fully support it. It's important to have places on the internet which you can keep separate from your full name.
Missing the point. You keep rules in place, you own them. I'm not AGAINST a rule against
revealing names. I'm against misnaming it. In part because it can confuse people.
The point is that this site contains sensitive personal information about a number of members. Some members have revealed that they have done things which society finds abhorrent.
Your name is personal information. Just because some sites require you to reveal your own name doesn't mean that it isn't doxing. If I say "Calandale is John McGregor" then I'm effectively making public any information that is on this site that you have revealed about yourself under the pseudonym "Calandale".,
Doxing is revealing personal information. Stop being such a pedant.
As for Odeon's sins and whether other members have chosen to forget or to forgive those sins, you seem to be stuck on some kind of ideological purity about the "rules" or free speech or whatever. Okay, Odeon broke the spirit of the site and used the admin buttons on people who went to great lengths to get under his skin, and eventually succeeded. And now they're butthurt. Look, I feel your butthurt, I cry myself to sleep over your plight. But really, I don't give a flying fuck. Is he a petty tyrant or is he someone who let halfwits get under his skin? Those same halfwits have gotten under the skin of more than just Odeon, with a variety of outcomes.
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I'm late to the drama party but I see I didn't miss much.
... but I didn’t think posting just persons name equated to d0xxing.
It doesn't. Not generally. Hell, many places require that you use your real name.
Odeon has special rules, probably for personal reasons.
*groan*
These are not my rules.
Yeah the doxxing rule isn't Odeon's and I fully support it. It's important to have places on the internet which you can keep separate from your full name.
Missing the point. You keep rules in place, you own them. I'm not AGAINST a rule against
revealing names. I'm against misnaming it. In part because it can confuse people.
The point is that this site contains sensitive personal information about a number of members.
Your name is personal information. Just because some sites require you to reveal your own name doesn't mean that it isn't doxing.
The people’s names I posted are posted publicly online on their facebooks.
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I'm late to the drama party but I see I didn't miss much.
... but I didn’t think posting just persons name equated to d0xxing.
It doesn't. Not generally. Hell, many places require that you use your real name.
Odeon has special rules, probably for personal reasons.
*groan*
These are not my rules.
Yeah the doxxing rule isn't Odeon's and I fully support it. It's important to have places on the internet which you can keep separate from your full name.
Missing the point. You keep rules in place, you own them. I'm not AGAINST a rule against
revealing names. I'm against misnaming it. In part because it can confuse people.
The point is that this site contains sensitive personal information about a number of members.
Your name is personal information. Just because some sites require you to reveal your own name doesn't mean that it isn't doxing.
The people’s names I posted are posted publicly online on their facebooks.
My name is posted publicly online on my facebook account.
That doesn't mean it's okay for people to reveal my name on I^2.
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I'm late to the drama party but I see I didn't miss much.
... but I didn’t think posting just persons name equated to d0xxing.
It doesn't. Not generally. Hell, many places require that you use your real name.
Odeon has special rules, probably for personal reasons.
*groan*
These are not my rules.
Yeah the doxxing rule isn't Odeon's and I fully support it. It's important to have places on the internet which you can keep separate from your full name.
Missing the point. You keep rules in place, you own them. I'm not AGAINST a rule against
revealing names. I'm against misnaming it. In part because it can confuse people.
The point is that this site contains sensitive personal information about a number of members.
Your name is personal information. Just because some sites require you to reveal your own name doesn't mean that it isn't doxing.
The people’s names I posted are posted publicly online on their facebooks.
My name is posted publicly online on my facebook account.
That doesn't mean it's okay for people to reveal my name on I^2.
“Not ok” doesn’t equate to d0xxing. If I posted someone phone number and social security number, I’d be in a lot of hot water.
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Considering that my identity on here is "Minister Of Silly Walks", my real-life name IS personal information about me that I don't want revealed here.
Doxing = revealing personal information online.
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I'm late to the drama party but I see I didn't miss much.
... but I didn’t think posting just persons name equated to d0xxing.
It doesn't. Not generally. Hell, many places require that you use your real name.
Odeon has special rules, probably for personal reasons.
*groan*
These are not my rules.
Yeah the doxxing rule isn't Odeon's and I fully support it. It's important to have places on the internet which you can keep separate from your full name.
Missing the point. You keep rules in place, you own them. I'm not AGAINST a rule against
revealing names. I'm against misnaming it. In part because it can confuse people.
The point is that this site contains sensitive personal information about a number of members. Some members have revealed that they have done things which society finds abhorrent.
Your name is personal information. Just because some sites require you to reveal your own name doesn't mean that it isn't doxing. If I say "Calandale is John McGregor" then I'm effectively making public any information that is on this site that you have revealed about yourself under the pseudonym "Calandale".,
Doxing is revealing personal information. Stop being such a pedant.
It's not pedantry, if people commit the act because the word is being used in a manner
which is non-standard. That makes the problem more likely to occur, whether or not someone
is held accountable for it.
As for Odeon's sins and whether other members have chosen to forget or to forgive those sins, you seem to be stuck on some kind of ideological purity about the "rules" or free speech or whatever. Okay, Odeon broke the spirit of the site and used the admin buttons on people who went to great lengths to get under his skin, and eventually succeeded. And now they're butthurt. Look, I feel your butthurt, I cry myself to sleep over your plight. But really, I don't give a flying fuck. Is he a petty tyrant or is he someone who let halfwits get under his skin? Those same halfwits have gotten under the skin of more than just Odeon, with a variety of outcomes.
Chicken and egg. And you've got the order wrong. It was administrative abuse which started this cycle.
Not some petty pranks - which some even ran for admin status on (even outside of the broader democracy
there were elected admins for some time) - but rather in order to silence unwanted voices; not voices
attacking him, but ones discussing the management of the site.
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If you reveal information about yourself as "Calandale" and then someone posts "Calandale is Boris Gnuginski", then they have revealed more than just your name. They have also revealed online any unsavoury details about yourself that you have shared under the pseudonym "Calandale".
It is different from me going to facebook and saying "I had dinner with Boris Gnuginski last night".
It's pedantry. Arguing pointlessly over semantics.
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It's what he does.
Getting fairly sick of it, me.
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If you reveal information about yourself as "Calandale" and then someone posts "Calandale is Boris Gnuginski", then they have revealed more than just your name. They have also revealed online any unsavoury details about yourself that you have shared under the pseudonym "Calandale".
It is different from me going to facebook and saying "I had dinner with Boris Gnuginski last night".
It's pedantry. Arguing pointlessly over semantics.
As I stated, if there are effects, it ain't pointless, it ain't pedantry, and something should be changed
so that the staff stops confusing people with the misuse.
And there ARE effects. The simple fact that there are people in this thread who know it's
not the standard definition of doxing means that others will likely also be confused who aren't
already engaged in this conversation.
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It's what he does.
Getting fairly sick of it, me.
Shut up tyrant
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It's what he does.
Getting fairly sick of it, me.
Shut up tyrant
This has been your MO since forever. You caused more of this than Dunc or I ever did.
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If you reveal information about yourself as "Calandale" and then someone posts "Calandale is Boris Gnuginski", then they have revealed more than just your name. They have also revealed online any unsavoury details about yourself that you have shared under the pseudonym "Calandale".
It is different from me going to facebook and saying "I had dinner with Boris Gnuginski last night".
It's pedantry. Arguing pointlessly over semantics.
As I stated, if there are effects, it ain't pointless, it ain't pedantry, and something should be changed
so that the staff stops confusing people with the misuse.
And there ARE effects. The simple fact that there are people in this thread who know it's
not the standard definition of doxing means that others will likely also be confused who aren't
already engaged in this conversation.
The simple fact that you can never ever shut up is the actual problem here.
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Doxing is revealing personal information. Stop being such a pedant.
It's not pedantry, if people commit the act because the word is being used in a manner
which is non-standard. That makes the problem more likely to occur, whether or not someone
is held accountable for it.
Ok that makes sense. I agree with MOSW's definition but clearly not everyone shares it.
How specific do you think it needs to be? Is "revealing people's personal information" enough?
On specificity in general, though - there comes a point where it's nonfunctional. As in, what you see with legalese, where it takes a degree in law just to understand what some laws are requiring of you, and where for example most members of congress don't read through new proposed laws in full before voting yay or nay, because there's thousands of pages of specificity and nobody has the time.
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My name is posted publicly online on my facebook account.
That doesn't mean it's okay for people to reveal my name on I^2.
“Not ok” doesn’t equate to d0xxing. If I posted someone phone number and social security number, I’d be in a lot of hot water.
How do you define doxxing? Why does a phone number qualify but a full name doesn't? Both can get you in different kinds of trouble, the first with stalkers and the second with employers (for example).
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It comes down to whether you think a name is information or not.
Guess what. It is information.
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My own experience has shown that abusing power with a reasonable explanation is better than being
hidebound about standing up for principles - at least for the health of the community.
This is an interesting point. Any thoughts as to why?
The great corruption - that for most, the ends justify the means.
That's circular logic though. Abusing power to a degree leads to a healthier community than hidebound defense of principles, therefore if one wants a healthy community, one should abuse power to a degree. Aside from the vague label of great corruption, that doesn't answer anything about human nature, sociology, psychology, or any other factors that lead to that result.
Where does the 'within reason' apply?
Because, from what I see, it's: Free Speech (within reason) zone - unless it hurts the webmonkey's feewings.
The degree to which the webmonkey can mess around with things due to hurt feelings before getting backlash from those outside the conflict.
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My own experience has shown that abusing power with a reasonable explanation is better than being
hidebound about standing up for principles - at least for the health of the community.
This is an interesting point. Any thoughts as to why?
The great corruption - that for most, the ends justify the means.
That's circular logic though. Abusing power to a degree leads to a healthier community than hidebound defense of principles, therefore if one wants a healthy community, one should abuse power to a degree. Aside from the vague label of great corruption, that doesn't answer anything about human nature, sociology, psychology, or any other factors that lead to that result.
Where does the 'within reason' apply?
Because, from what I see, it's: Free Speech (within reason) zone - unless it hurts the webmonkey's feewings.
The degree to which the webmonkey can mess around with things due to hurt feelings before getting backlash from those outside the conflict.
Which changes things?
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It's what he does.
Getting fairly sick of it, me.
Shut up tyrant
This has been your MO since forever. You caused more of this than Dunc or I ever did.
OF course I 'caused more' of 'this'.
THIS is calling your fucking abuses of power out. Though Dunc (I think) was aware
that what he was doing was wrong. Probably why he couldn't stick around.
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If you reveal information about yourself as "Calandale" and then someone posts "Calandale is Boris Gnuginski", then they have revealed more than just your name. They have also revealed online any unsavoury details about yourself that you have shared under the pseudonym "Calandale".
It is different from me going to facebook and saying "I had dinner with Boris Gnuginski last night".
It's pedantry. Arguing pointlessly over semantics.
As I stated, if there are effects, it ain't pointless, it ain't pedantry, and something should be changed
so that the staff stops confusing people with the misuse.
And there ARE effects. The simple fact that there are people in this thread who know it's
not the standard definition of doxing means that others will likely also be confused who aren't
already engaged in this conversation.
The simple fact that you can never ever shut up is the actual problem here.
No. The problem is that you can't answer the charges, but are too
afraid of just accepting them.
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Doxing is revealing personal information. Stop being such a pedant.
It's not pedantry, if people commit the act because the word is being used in a manner
which is non-standard. That makes the problem more likely to occur, whether or not someone
is held accountable for it.
Ok that makes sense. I agree with MOSW's definition but clearly not everyone shares it.
How specific do you think it needs to be? Is "revealing people's personal information" enough?
On specificity in general, though - there comes a point where it's nonfunctional. As in, what you see with legalese, where it takes a degree in law just to understand what some laws are requiring of you, and where for example most members of congress don't read through new proposed laws in full before voting yay or nay, because there's thousands of pages of specificity and nobody has the time.
So, the standard definition is enough information that they can be identified. First and Last name
is seldom sufficient to do so. I could present definitions of PII (the core issue in doxing) if that is
of any value.
I think, to fit what is done here, it sounds like "revealing any personal information about a person
that is not already present in their profile or posts?"
Though that may be too broad - it's safer to be broad than not. You don't HAVE to ban someone
for mentioning that they have kids, some illness, or whatever, that is not already contained in
the site.
Or, maybe it's not broad enough. Because, if they post something, then delete it, they could charge
some sort of retroactive posting? So ANY personal information at all? We couldn't converse then.
Anyhow, the big point is once you stray from PII, 'personal information' gets very broad.
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It comes down to whether you think a name is information or not.
Guess what. It is information.
So is whether you ate soup.
What it's NOT is personally identifying information. Which is what Doxing about.
A name is generally not considered such. Full street address is.Telephone number is.
Here's the NIST definition: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Personally_identifiable_information#NIST_definition
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My own experience has shown that abusing power with a reasonable explanation is better than being
hidebound about standing up for principles - at least for the health of the community.
This is an interesting point. Any thoughts as to why?
The great corruption - that for most, the ends justify the means.
That's circular logic though. Abusing power to a degree leads to a healthier community than hidebound defense of principles, therefore if one wants a healthy community, one should abuse power to a degree. Aside from the vague label of great corruption, that doesn't answer anything about human nature, sociology, psychology, or any other factors that lead to that result.
No. It's just not spelling out every step in the thinking.
Situations come up which the adherence to principle will result in negative effects for
the majority of people, When that happens, they will likely prefer someone who does
not adhere to some Kantian rules-based system, but that is indeed 'the great corruption.'
It is a corruption because the habit of sliding on imperatives, even when they seem to
harm no one, undermines their very bedrock status.
The degree to which the webmonkey can mess around with things due to hurt feelings before getting backlash from those outside the conflict.
So, just what are the limits to that? Other than the tolerance of people to stick around for abuse -
especially of others.
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So, the standard definition is enough information that they can be identified. First and Last name
is seldom sufficient to do so. I could present definitions of PII (the core issue in doxing) if that is
of any value.
I think, to fit what is done here, it sounds like "revealing any personal information about a person
that is not already present in their profile or posts?"
Though that may be too broad - it's safer to be broad than not. You don't HAVE to ban someone
for mentioning that they have kids, some illness, or whatever, that is not already contained in
the site.
Or, maybe it's not broad enough. Because, if they post something, then delete it, they could charge
some sort of retroactive posting? So ANY personal information at all? We couldn't converse then.
Anyhow, the big point is once you stray from PII, 'personal information' gets very broad.
Maybe first and last is safe for John Smith, but I think "seldom" is an incorrect estimation of the percent of people who have unique names. Mine is unique enough that when googled, the first page of results are all about me. Out of curiosity, I googled five IRL friends and acquaintances that I know well enough to identify whether their results are for them, and this is what I got.
A - 10/10 relevant
B - 6/10 relevant
C - 0/10 relevant
D - 10/10 relevant
E - 10/10 relevant
So in this case I think the USA legal definition of PII hasn't caught up to the practicalities of information spread on the internet.
"revealing any personal information about a person that is not already present in their profile or posts" is fairly accurate to the way I operate, but I also don't tempt myself and others by connecting on Facebook or other social media with people from communities where I want to remain anonymous. And I know there are a significant number of members here who do connect on Facebook and haven't had any issues with it.
I wouldn't advocate banning anyone for breaking that unspoken contract. However it can be an issue in the Elders forum where people will post things there that they expect to be kept off the rest of the board, and not everyone understands or follows that. So it could be grounds for considering de-eldering someone.
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So, just what are the limits to that? Other than the tolerance of people to stick around for abuse -
especially of others.
Uh, that's pretty much it. The tolerance of people to stick around.
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It comes down to whether you think a name is information or not.
Guess what. It is information.
So is whether you ate soup.
What it's NOT is personally identifying information. Which is what Doxing about.
A name is generally not considered such. Full street address is.Telephone number is.
Here's the NIST definition: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Personally_identifiable_information#NIST_definition
Now I know that you are taking the piss. There are actually people on this forum who are stupid enough to make that sort of argument. You are not one of them.
Please don't feel clever that you have drawn me into what you already know is a pointless discussion. I like explaining obvious shit, even to someone who is taking the piss.
So have you ever opened a bank account? Guess what the first piece of personally identifying information you need to give them is? Is it "did you have soup last night" or is it "First name/middle name/surname"?
It might be useful to work backwards from what information is designed for. Unlike fucking soup, names are designed to personally identify you. Now that we live in larger communities, though, we often need more than just a name to identify someone. But have you ever tried to track someone down just knowing their name and what city or town they live in? I have. It's not that fucking hard to do as long as their name isn't something like "John Smith".
Even the word "anonymous" means "without name". Or something like that. I can't be arsed looking it up.
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On second thoughts I take back my accusation that you are taking the piss.
You really are that fucking stupid.
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The degree to which the webmonkey can mess around with things due to hurt feelings before getting backlash from those outside the conflict.
Nup. That definition doesn't work. It would require that people are consciously or subconsciously looking for any excuse to be epically butthurt in a way that lasts forever.
Thus any time Odeon takes any action involving the buttons, reasonable or sensible or not, the risk of it causing endless butthurt and drama is extremely high.
It needs to be "the webmonkey can use the admin buttons whenever the webmonkey feels like it" or there needs to be significant restrictions.
This could be "any action taken against a member by the webmonkey using the admin buttons must be approved by a clear majority of members with more than 1,000 posts, and the poll must be available for a minimum of 72 hours.
I'm not saying that that needs to be the rule. But when you are dealing with a bunch of spazzes as anal retentive as some of the spazzes around here, the place will eventually become intolerable otherwise.
Personally I am surprised that the place has lasted this long.
The reality is that some forum members have such a toxic effect on a forum that most forums ban them as soon as they are seen for what they are. Those that don't ban them will eventually wither and die from their poison.
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Doxing is revealing personal information. Stop being such a pedant.
It's not pedantry, if people commit the act because the word is being used in a manner
which is non-standard. That makes the problem more likely to occur, whether or not someone
is held accountable for it.
Ok that makes sense. I agree with MOSW's definition but clearly not everyone shares it.
How specific do you think it needs to be? Is "revealing people's personal information" enough?
On specificity in general, though - there comes a point where it's nonfunctional. As in, what you see with legalese, where it takes a degree in law just to understand what some laws are requiring of you, and where for example most members of congress don't read through new proposed laws in full before voting yay or nay, because there's thousands of pages of specificity and nobody has the time.
So, the standard definition is enough information that they can be identified. First and Last name
is seldom sufficient to do so. I could present definitions of PII (the core issue in doxing) if that is
of any value.
I think, to fit what is done here, it sounds like "revealing any personal information about a person
that is not already present in their profile or posts?"
Though that may be too broad - it's safer to be broad than not. You don't HAVE to ban someone
for mentioning that they have kids, some illness, or whatever, that is not already contained in
the site.
Or, maybe it's not broad enough. Because, if they post something, then delete it, they could charge
some sort of retroactive posting? So ANY personal information at all? We couldn't converse then.
Anyhow, the big point is once you stray from PII, 'personal information' gets very broad.
This is exactly what you did ten years ago. You argued a point to death and then continued to argue. How hard is it for you to understand that not everybody here feeds on endless argument?
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First and Last name
is seldom sufficient to do so. I could present definitions of PII (the core issue in doxing) if that is
of any value.
Isn't seldom enough a reason then?
Just first name and the knowlegde I'm Dutch is enough to find me. Without the knowing of the Dutch you might get distracted by some Czech girls. But you'd end up with me soon enough.
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The degree to which the webmonkey can mess around with things due to hurt feelings before getting backlash from those outside the conflict.
Nup. That definition doesn't work. It would require that people are consciously or subconsciously looking for any excuse to be epically butthurt in a way that lasts forever.
Thus any time Odeon takes any action involving the buttons, reasonable or sensible or not, the risk of it causing endless butthurt and drama is extremely high.
It needs to be "the webmonkey can use the admin buttons whenever the webmonkey feels like it" or there needs to be significant restrictions.
This could be "any action taken against a member by the webmonkey using the admin buttons must be approved by a clear majority of members with more than 1,000 posts, and the poll must be available for a minimum of 72 hours.
I'm not saying that that needs to be the rule. But when you are dealing with a bunch of spazzes as anal retentive as some of the spazzes around here, the place will eventually become intolerable otherwise.
Personally I am surprised that the place has lasted this long.
The reality is that some forum members have such a toxic effect on a forum that most forums ban them as soon as they are seen for what they are. Those that don't ban them will eventually wither and die from their poison.
You are not pretending for a moment that you are on a higher exalted steppe than the unwashed spazzes are blocking your view into the valley. You are a spazz same as us and of no more importance than me, Scrap, Odeon, Cal or anyone else here.
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That's where you're wrong Al buddy. My ogic is superior. Bow before my ogic and tremble.
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It comes down to whether you think a name is information or not.
Guess what. It is information.
So is whether you ate soup.
What it's NOT is personally identifying information. Which is what Doxing about.
A name is generally not considered such. Full street address is.Telephone number is.
Here's the NIST definition: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Personally_identifiable_information#NIST_definition
Now I know that you are taking the piss. There are actually people on this forum who are stupid enough to make that sort of argument. You are not one of them.
WTF? Is NIST that stupid too? I'll go with being as stupid as they are.
I wish. My expertise in security matters is on the low end, for being a professional
in the field, IMO.
So have you ever opened a bank account? Guess what the first piece of personally identifying information you need to give them is? Is it "did you have soup last night" or is it "First name/middle name/surname"?
Not considered PII at the bank I work at. Email address, in conjunction with name is.
Because, email addresses are unique. But even they aren't sufficient on their own.
It might be useful to work backwards from what information is designed for. Unlike fucking soup, names are designed to personally identify you.
Yeah. Which worked fine in the medieval era. That said, my own name is rare enough that if you
google it, you pretty much get me. I know of one other guy (in France, IIRC), who has my name.
Even the word "anonymous" means "without name". Or something like that. I can't be arsed looking it up.
The point has to do with doxing. And, if you wish PII. The later has industry standards for definition.
The soup point is simply to state that there's plenty of 'personal' information that is worthless
to identify. A name is a PART of the standard - but no more than that.
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On second thoughts I take back my accusation that you are taking the piss.
You really are that fucking stupid.
I am. I also am not ignorant of industry standards.
And I don't go around making up definitions outside them,
because my job relies on understanding and following them.
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The reality is that some forum members have such a toxic effect on a forum that most forums ban them as soon as they are seen for what they are. Those that don't ban them will eventually wither and die from their poison.
That's how most of us, including Odeon, ended up here.
You'd think that being in that position would have taught him what any
reasonable person could see straight off. Power corrupts. Don't use it
without understanding the corruption.
I think he's so corrupt at this point, he can't even really see what he does.
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This is exactly what you did ten years ago. You argued a point to death and then continued to argue. How hard is it for you to understand that not everybody here feeds on endless argument?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wsEwK69LXjQ
I'll tell you this though - I'd far rather be on the side of fighting tyrants than
BEING one. Especially a FUCKING BABY of one.
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That's where you're wrong Al buddy. My ogic is superior. Bow before my ogic and tremble.
Not to mention your ignorance.
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First and Last name
is seldom sufficient to do so. I could present definitions of PII (the core issue in doxing) if that is
of any value.
Isn't seldom enough a reason then?
IT IS. I have NO argument with the policy.
I have a disagreement with calling this DOXING. Because that it isn't.
And by calling it such, the site is going to create confusion.
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This has nothing to do with your industry standards you stupid twat.
It's about not disclosing information, against the wishes of members, that could be used to identify us in real life.
What is so hard about that?
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That's where you're wrong Al buddy. My ogic is superior. Bow before my ogic and tremble.
Surprisingly I know, I don't .
I have yet to see superiority of logic or morality.
You are just a garden variety Spazz. In the muck up to your elbows. Like the rest of us spazzes. Odeon thinks he is elevated but he is not. He is simply the barman of the pub. He is doing our bidding. Another Spazz in the muck up to his elbows.
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The reality is that some forum members have such a toxic effect on a forum that most forums ban them as soon as they are seen for what they are. Those that don't ban them will eventually wither and die from their poison.
That's how most of us, including Odeon, ended up here.
You'd think that being in that position would have taught him what any
reasonable person could see straight off. Power corrupts. Don't use it
without understanding the corruption.
I think he's so corrupt at this point, he can't even really see what he does.
I was wrong. You have actually changed. You're more delusional now.
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I'll tell you this though - I'd far rather be on the side of fighting tyrants than
BEING one. Especially a FUCKING BABY of one.
This is so silly that I don't even know what to say. I mean seriously, grow the fuck up. Get a life.
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Odeon thinks he is elevated but he is not. He is simply the barman of the pub. He is doing our bidding. Another Spazz in the muck up to his elbows.
And wondering why the fuck he should *give* you another drink when you obviously can't handle it.
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This has nothing to do with your industry standards you stupid twat.
It's about not disclosing information, against the wishes of members, that could be used to identify us in real life.
What is so hard about that?
Just to clarify, there is no reason why I^2 should follow a legal definition of doxing (which defines the point at which doxing becomes a crime) or an industry specific definition of doxing.
There is a general, dictionary definition of doxing out there which is pretty straightforward and easy to understand.
And, in the context of this forum, where we have shared various information about ourselves such as which city or town we live in, how old we are, etc. , a name is more than enough information to identify most of us. That's the whole fucking point of the rule.
Expecting more irrelevant bollocks in response. Fire away.
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Teenagers often feel a need where they need to rage against authoriteh. Whether that authoriteh is being used fairly or not.
The fact that people are still going on and on about shit that happened years ago and using that to justify their constant raging against the unfair use of authoriteh would be in line with some of us being perpetual teenagers.
Grown ups would be considering what constructive steps they could take. Like they could seek to create a fair set of rules regarding the use of authoriteh moving forward. Of they could do what I would do if I was THAT butthurt about something. If being here just made me even a little bit butthurt 5 minutes later you wouldn't see my hurting butt for dust.
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dox
verb [ T ] also doxx UK /dɒks/ US /dɑːks/ informal
to publish private information about someone on the internet, without their permission and in a way that reveals their name, where they live, etc.:
She was doxxed by online activists, who published her home address and her college records.
Seems to me that naming someone here fits the definition. But that's just Cambridge, what do they know?
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This has nothing to do with your industry standards you stupid twat.
It's about not disclosing information, against the wishes of members, that could be used to identify us in real life.
What is so hard about that?
Because the TERM HAS A MEANING.
You're fucking dense. How many times do I have to say that I support the policy,
but that it's more effective if you use words to describe it which conform to general
standards and understanding.
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I'll tell you this though - I'd far rather be on the side of fighting tyrants than
BEING one. Especially a FUCKING BABY of one.
This is so silly that I don't even know what to say. I mean seriously, grow the fuck up. Get a life.
Mirror
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Teenagers often feel a need where they need to rage against authoriteh. Whether that authoriteh is being used fairly or not.
The fact that people are still going on and on about shit that happened years ago and using that to justify their constant raging against the unfair use of authoriteh would be in line with some of us being perpetual teenagers.
Grown ups would be considering what constructive steps they could take. Like they could seek to create a fair set of rules regarding the use of authoriteh moving forward. Of they could do what I would do if I was THAT butthurt about something. If being here just made me even a little bit butthurt 5 minutes later you wouldn't see my hurting butt for dust.
It's not about what happened years ago. It's about the same behavior persisting.
The past is given to show context.
But really, the main audience was Odeon. And he's too wrapped in his defensive shell to be
affected by mere words, no matter how clearly they point to what his behavior is.
Enablers, who rush to his defense certainly don't help though. By doing so, you are perpetuating
this behavior - because MAYBE if everyone could state clearly that yes, he's a FUCKING BABY TYRANT
when it comes to misuse of the admin panel IT MIGHT JUST FUCKING SINK IN. You know, without
driving people away.
It also probably would at least slow down these attacks - not just from me.
But, that's too much to ask from the ass lickers.
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This has nothing to do with your industry standards you stupid twat.
It's about not disclosing information, against the wishes of members, that could be used to identify us in real life.
What is so hard about that?
Because the TERM HAS A MEANING.
You're fucking dense. How many times do I have to say that I support the policy,
but that it's more effective if you use words to describe it which conform to general
standards and understanding.
Yes. The definition in the dictionary you stupid fuck.
Not your industry specific definition that doesn't apply here. You stupid fuck.
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Teenagers often feel a need where they need to rage against authoriteh. Whether that authoriteh is being used fairly or not.
The fact that people are still going on and on about shit that happened years ago and using that to justify their constant raging against the unfair use of authoriteh would be in line with some of us being perpetual teenagers.
Grown ups would be considering what constructive steps they could take. Like they could seek to create a fair set of rules regarding the use of authoriteh moving forward. Of they could do what I would do if I was THAT butthurt about something. If being here just made me even a little bit butthurt 5 minutes later you wouldn't see my hurting butt for dust.
It's not about what happened years ago. It's about the same behavior persisting.
The past is given to show context.
But really, the main audience was Odeon. And he's too wrapped in his defensive shell to be
affected by mere words, no matter how clearly they point to what his behavior is.
Enablers, who rush to his defense certainly don't help though. By doing so, you are perpetuating
this behavior - because MAYBE if everyone could state clearly that yes, he's a FUCKING BABY TYRANT
when it comes to misuse of the admin panel IT MIGHT JUST FUCKING SINK IN. You know, without
driving people away.
It also probably would at least slow down these attacks - not just from me.
But, that's too much to ask from the ass lickers.
Defending Odeon? No. Just finding the constant anal retentive butthurt tiresome.
Grown ups learn to get over shit. Have your say, get the fuck over it.
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dox
/däks/Submit
verbINFORMAL
gerund or present participle: doxxing
search for and publish private or identifying information about (a particular individual) on the Internet, typically with malicious intent.
"hackers and online vigilantes routinely dox both public and private figures"
First and last name already displayed publicly on Facebook is very public for everyone and easy found on Google search engine.
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dox
/däks/Submit
verbINFORMAL
gerund or present participle: doxxing
search for and publish private or identifying information about (a particular individual) on the Internet, typically with malicious intent.
"hackers and online vigilantes routinely dox both public and private figures"
First and last name already displayed publicly on Facebook is very public for everyone and easy found on Google search engine.
DFG, can you not see that you just presented a definition that makes my point even better than the definition that Odeon gave?
Also, if my name is on facebook it's because I chose to put it there. And chose information I wanted to share about myself with that in mind. I have chosen NOT to share my name on here and you have no right to make that decision for me. End of.
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dox
/däks/Submit
verbINFORMAL
gerund or present participle: doxxing
search for and publish private or identifying information about (a particular individual) on the Internet, typically with malicious intent.
"hackers and online vigilantes routinely dox both public and private figures"
First and last name already displayed publicly on Facebook is very public for everyone and easy found on Google search engine.
DFG, can you not see that you just presented a definition that makes my point even better than the definition that Odeon gave?
Also, if my name is on facebook it's because I chose to put it there. And chose information I wanted to share about myself with that in mind. I have chosen NOT to share my name on here and you have no right to make that decision for me. End of.
I don’t know your name, but if it is posted on Facebook it become public domain. There are many people with the same exact first/last names, but proving an address, social security number, phone number identifies the individual.
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Teenagers often feel a need where they need to rage against authoriteh. Whether that authoriteh is being used fairly or not.
The fact that people are still going on and on about shit that happened years ago and using that to justify their constant raging against the unfair use of authoriteh would be in line with some of us being perpetual teenagers.
Grown ups would be considering what constructive steps they could take. Like they could seek to create a fair set of rules regarding the use of authoriteh moving forward. Of they could do what I would do if I was THAT butthurt about something. If being here just made me even a little bit butthurt 5 minutes later you wouldn't see my hurting butt for dust.
It's not about what happened years ago. It's about the same behavior persisting.
The past is given to show context.
But really, the main audience was Odeon. And he's too wrapped in his defensive shell to be
affected by mere words, no matter how clearly they point to what his behavior is.
Enablers, who rush to his defense certainly don't help though. By doing so, you are perpetuating
this behavior - because MAYBE if everyone could state clearly that yes, he's a FUCKING BABY TYRANT
when it comes to misuse of the admin panel IT MIGHT JUST FUCKING SINK IN. You know, without
driving people away.
It also probably would at least slow down these attacks - not just from me.
But, that's too much to ask from the ass lickers.
Defending Odeon? No. Just finding the constant anal retentive butthurt tiresome.
Grown ups learn to get over shit. Have your say, get the fuck over it.
Yes you are being Odeon's buttplug here. You are just doing it in a way that tries to elevate how much better you are than everyone else. Worse still you are holding onto the worn out narrative that anyone here that has long-term critique about Odeon is butthurt.
At the same time, because you are his buttplug you will not use that value based assessment when looking at his reactions in the past with moderating members for not breaking the rules, threatening bannings for not breaking rules, taking a break from the forum whilst posting sympathy-fishing comments....no, this is not HIM being butthurt, this is him reacting as ANY victim of abuse would react.
You are being Odeon's toadie and buttplug. Now Icequeen was giving you a little competition but you managed to muscel her out of his cavity a little.
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dox
/däks/Submit
verbINFORMAL
gerund or present participle: doxxing
search for and publish private or identifying information about (a particular individual) on the Internet, typically with malicious intent.
"hackers and online vigilantes routinely dox both public and private figures"
First and last name already displayed publicly on Facebook is very public for everyone and easy found on Google search engine.
DFG, can you not see that you just presented a definition that makes my point even better than the definition that Odeon gave?
Also, if my name is on facebook it's because I chose to put it there. And chose information I wanted to share about myself with that in mind. I have chosen NOT to share my name on here and you have no right to make that decision for me. End of.
I don’t know your name, but if it is posted on Facebook it become public domain. There are many people with the same exact first/last names, but proving an address, social security number, phone number identifies the individual.
My name is identifying information about me. According to the definition that you chose to share, that is doxxing. Are you now saying that you shared an incorrect definition of the word?
Whether my name or other identifying information about me is on facebook or in a phone book or not is irrelevant to what happens here or anywhere else.
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Teenagers often feel a need where they need to rage against authoriteh. Whether that authoriteh is being used fairly or not.
The fact that people are still going on and on about shit that happened years ago and using that to justify their constant raging against the unfair use of authoriteh would be in line with some of us being perpetual teenagers.
Grown ups would be considering what constructive steps they could take. Like they could seek to create a fair set of rules regarding the use of authoriteh moving forward. Of they could do what I would do if I was THAT butthurt about something. If being here just made me even a little bit butthurt 5 minutes later you wouldn't see my hurting butt for dust.
It's not about what happened years ago. It's about the same behavior persisting.
The past is given to show context.
But really, the main audience was Odeon. And he's too wrapped in his defensive shell to be
affected by mere words, no matter how clearly they point to what his behavior is.
Enablers, who rush to his defense certainly don't help though. By doing so, you are perpetuating
this behavior - because MAYBE if everyone could state clearly that yes, he's a FUCKING BABY TYRANT
when it comes to misuse of the admin panel IT MIGHT JUST FUCKING SINK IN. You know, without
driving people away.
It also probably would at least slow down these attacks - not just from me.
But, that's too much to ask from the ass lickers.
Defending Odeon? No. Just finding the constant anal retentive butthurt tiresome.
Grown ups learn to get over shit. Have your say, get the fuck over it.
Yes you are being Odeon's buttplug here. You are just doing it in a way that tries to elevate how much better you are than everyone else. Worse still you are holding onto the worn out narrative that anyone here that has long-term critique about Odeon is butthurt.
At the same time, because you are his buttplug you will not use that value based assessment when looking at his reactions in the past with moderating members for not breaking the rules, threatening bannings for not breaking rules, taking a break from the forum whilst posting sympathy-fishing comments....no, this is not HIM being butthurt, this is him reacting as ANY victim of abuse would react.
You are being Odeon's toadie and buttplug. Now Icequeen was giving you a little competition but you managed to muscel her out of his cavity a little.
You clearly seek conflict with authoriteh figures. It's written all over you. Your head is so far up your own arse that you've become your own buttplug.
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Teenagers often feel a need where they need to rage against authoriteh. Whether that authoriteh is being used fairly or not.
The fact that people are still going on and on about shit that happened years ago and using that to justify their constant raging against the unfair use of authoriteh would be in line with some of us being perpetual teenagers.
Grown ups would be considering what constructive steps they could take. Like they could seek to create a fair set of rules regarding the use of authoriteh moving forward. Of they could do what I would do if I was THAT butthurt about something. If being here just made me even a little bit butthurt 5 minutes later you wouldn't see my hurting butt for dust.
It's not about what happened years ago. It's about the same behavior persisting.
The past is given to show context.
But really, the main audience was Odeon. And he's too wrapped in his defensive shell to be
affected by mere words, no matter how clearly they point to what his behavior is.
Enablers, who rush to his defense certainly don't help though. By doing so, you are perpetuating
this behavior - because MAYBE if everyone could state clearly that yes, he's a FUCKING BABY TYRANT
when it comes to misuse of the admin panel IT MIGHT JUST FUCKING SINK IN. You know, without
driving people away.
It also probably would at least slow down these attacks - not just from me.
But, that's too much to ask from the ass lickers.
Defending Odeon? No. Just finding the constant anal retentive butthurt tiresome.
Grown ups learn to get over shit. Have your say, get the fuck over it.
Yes you are being Odeon's buttplug here. You are just doing it in a way that tries to elevate how much better you are than everyone else. Worse still you are holding onto the worn out narrative that anyone here that has long-term critique about Odeon is butthurt.
At the same time, because you are his buttplug you will not use that value based assessment when looking at his reactions in the past with moderating members for not breaking the rules, threatening bannings for not breaking rules, taking a break from the forum whilst posting sympathy-fishing comments....no, this is not HIM being butthurt, this is him reacting as ANY victim of abuse would react.
You are being Odeon's toadie and buttplug. Now Icequeen was giving you a little competition but you managed to muscel her out of his cavity a little.
You clearly seek conflict with authoriteh figures. It's written all over you. Your head is so far up your own arse that you've become your own buttplug.
Which is why I clearly have found Pyraxis so problematic.....okay maybe not Pyraxis but Parts.....okay maybe not Parts butRenaeden.....okay maybe not Renaeden.....
This narrative is stupid too. Maybe you have another that you can swivel to.
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The degree to which the webmonkey can mess around with things due to hurt feelings before getting backlash from those outside the conflict.
Nup. That definition doesn't work. It would require that people are consciously or subconsciously looking for any excuse to be epically butthurt in a way that lasts forever.
Thus any time Odeon takes any action involving the buttons, reasonable or sensible or not, the risk of it causing endless butthurt and drama is extremely high.
It needs to be "the webmonkey can use the admin buttons whenever the webmonkey feels like it" or there needs to be significant restrictions.
This could be "any action taken against a member by the webmonkey using the admin buttons must be approved by a clear majority of members with more than 1,000 posts, and the poll must be available for a minimum of 72 hours.
I'm not saying that that needs to be the rule. But when you are dealing with a bunch of spazzes as anal retentive as some of the spazzes around here, the place will eventually become intolerable otherwise.
I've read this a few times now but I'm not following you. Are you saying there's no way to put a middle ground into words, the stated rule has to be either the admin can do whatever they want, or any decision must be thoroughly voted on?
Personally I am surprised that the place has lasted this long.
The reality is that some forum members have such a toxic effect on a forum that most forums ban them as soon as they are seen for what they are. Those that don't ban them will eventually wither and die from their poison.
Nah, boring places wither and die faster than places full of drama.
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(1) I've read this a few times now but I'm not following you. Are you saying there's no way to put a middle ground into words, the stated rule has to be either the admin can do whatever they want, or any decision must be thoroughly voted on?
Personally I am surprised that the place has lasted this long.
The reality is that some forum members have such a toxic effect on a forum that most forums ban them as soon as they are seen for what they are. Those that don't ban them will eventually wither and die from their poison.
(2) Nah, boring places wither and die faster than places full of drama.
(1) Yes. There is no middle ground. Any action taken by anyone with extra buttons can become endless drama, can be the grounds for confected outrage.
(2) We need some new drama around here. The old drama was already boring years ago. The problem is that the sharks have sensed blood in the water and there will be no end of it.
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Which is why I clearly have found Pyraxis so problematic.....okay maybe not Pyraxis but Parts.....okay maybe not Parts butRenaeden.....okay maybe not Renaeden.....
This narrative is stupid too. Maybe you have another that you can swivel to.
You don't have to take issue with every person who has any level of authoriteh to be said to have a problem with authoriteh.
New narrative, okay.
Hey Al, get out of my arse. I never said you could be my buttplug!
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Which is why I clearly have found Pyraxis so problematic.....okay maybe not Pyraxis but Parts.....okay maybe not Parts butRenaeden.....okay maybe not Renaeden.....
This narrative is stupid too. Maybe you have another that you can swivel to.
You don't have to take issue with every person who has any level of authoriteh to be said to have a problem with authoriteh.
New narrative, okay.
Hey Al, get out of my arse. I never said you could be my buttplug!
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He's talking about you Al.
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He's talking about you Al.
Oh of course, and thank you for pointing that out. Don't mind that my reality is not a consideration in his world
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(2) We need some new drama around here. The old drama was already boring years ago. The problem is that the sharks have sensed blood in the water and there will be no end of it.
No point to new drama, when the old's causes are still there.
And yes, they may just eat up all the oxygene. Terrible.
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This has nothing to do with your industry standards you stupid twat.
It's about not disclosing information, against the wishes of members, that could be used to identify us in real life.
What is so hard about that?
Because the TERM HAS A MEANING.
You're fucking dense. How many times do I have to say that I support the policy,
but that it's more effective if you use words to describe it which conform to general
standards and understanding.
Yes. The definition in the dictionary you stupid fuck.
Not your industry specific definition that doesn't apply here. You stupid fuck.
Ah yes. Your ignorance of other definitions from the one dictionary that you pull down
is definitely a good reason to use a non-standard meaning without further information.
Because, everyone should be as ignorant as you are, no?
This is the same shit as with Odeon. It's like - "I can find some reason to bend this into
something that, if you drink the cool-aid, is acceptable to the most short sighted of us,
so there is no need for improvement."
The difference, of course, is that Odeon's corruption is a core character trait. You could
(I assume) get over your ignorance. You're not personally invested in maintaining it,
as he is to his self-image as someone who is not a FUCKING BABY.
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I am no more invested in the standard meaning of the word than the fucking dictionaries are.
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No, but you're apparently very invested in not improving the way things happen here.
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No, but you're apparently very invested in not improving the way things happen here.
But you are?!? :LMAO:
He's right, you know. You really are a stupid fuck.
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My name is posted publicly online on my facebook account.
That doesn't mean it's okay for people to reveal my name on I^2.
“Not ok” doesn’t equate to d0xxing. If I posted someone phone number and social security number, I’d be in a lot of hot water.
How do you define doxxing? Why does a phone number qualify but a full name doesn't? Both can get you in different kinds of trouble, the first with stalkers and the second with employers (for example).
Posting private information publicly about an individual. Say hey, Joe ;) isn’t doxxing. Though I understand the use of someone’s name to pester and even stalk. The middle name or initial is pretty sensitive. It makes it easy to identify who Joe Black is from the other Joe Blacks. Not only that, it is a security question Banks ask for.
When Chris Dorner was killing LAPD cops, he mentioned a Theresa Evans officer who owed him an apology. I saw more than one Theresa Evans belonging to the LAPD. I was tempted to out her but realized both Theresa would be targets for murder, not just forced to apologize.
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No, but you're apparently very invested in not improving the way things happen here.
But you are?!? :LMAO:
He's right, you know. You really are a stupid fuck.
You are, apparently, incapable of parsing double negatives.
Which would explain a lot of why you can't understand me.
But, there is still the core problem - you're corrupt, won't address the issue even to yourself,
and...of course, are a FUCKING BABY in denial.
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He can't, I do not think it is that he is ignorant. I am reasonably sure it is poor emotional development that his psyche protects his ego from anything remotely close to self-criticism or introspection.
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He can't, I do not think it is that he is ignorant. I am reasonably sure it is poor emotional development that his psyche protects his ego from anything remotely close to self-criticism or introspection.
It's very hard for me to think so badly of someone. I mean, being a corrupt tyrant? I can
see that - it seems almost human nature. Maybe without all the enablers, he'd be
able to see who he is/has become, and actually improve himself.
But, I often expect too much of people.
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No, but you're apparently very invested in not improving the way things happen here.
But you are?!? :LMAO:
He's right, you know. You really are a stupid fuck.
You are, apparently, incapable of parsing double negatives.
Which would explain a lot of why you can't understand me.
But, there is still the core problem - you're corrupt, won't address the issue even to yourself,
and...of course, are a FUCKING BABY in denial.
Admittedly I should have done a better job of commenting on that particular line. My sentiment still stands, though. You're a stupid fuck.
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He can't, I do not think it is that he is ignorant. I am reasonably sure it is poor emotional development that his psyche protects his ego from anything remotely close to self-criticism or introspection.
It's very hard for me to think so badly of someone. I mean, being a corrupt tyrant? I can
see that - it seems almost human nature. Maybe without all the enablers, he'd be
able to see who he is/has become, and actually improve himself.
But, I often expect too much of people.
I'm so glad you two found each other again.
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Posting private information publicly about an individual. Say hey, Joe ;) isn’t doxxing.
So by your definion, does it make all the difference whether a person has a Facebook (or other social media) account under their real name or not? For example, if you knew a member here on Facebook and you posted their name, you wouldn't consider that doxxing? What if you knew a member IRL and they didn't have any social media, and you posted their name?
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(1) Yes. There is no middle ground. Any action taken by anyone with extra buttons can become endless drama, can be the grounds for confected outrage.
Disagree. There are plenty of spaces, for example corporate-owned forums, where it's in the TOS that the owners can do what they want. That doesn't by any means spare them from drama. There is an endless supply of people lulled into getting personally invested in places, whether they are "free" or not. Time spent there becomes an illusion of ownership. Democracy doesn't spare a space from drama either, otherwise politics would be an uncontentious issue. :P
(2) We need some new drama around here. The old drama was already boring years ago.
No disagreement there.
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Posting private information publicly about an individual. Say hey, Joe ;) isn’t doxxing.
So by your definion, does it make all the difference whether a person has a Facebook (or other social media) account under their real name or not? For example, if you knew a member here on Facebook and you posted their name, you wouldn't consider that doxxing? What if you knew a member IRL and they didn't have any social media, and you posted their name?
My own stance (and that generally accepted) is that 'it depends'.
First off, to possibly qualify, the information cannot be publicly exposed. BUT, unless they link their account here
to FB by some means themselves, there would still be some chance of disclosing unique identifiable information
via the name alone. It would be ALMOST IMPOSSIBLE for this to happen via 1st name alone however, an issue
which I've seen, IIRC, Odeon throw a shit fit about (of course, he was shtooping that member, which may have
affected his judgement more than usual - you know, the whole corruption thing).
Beyond that, the commonality of the name combination then has to be taken into account. As well as other
circumstances, such as information (like city) that they may have exposed willingly, believing their name was
safe from release.
All in all, it makes complete sense for this site to have rules against releasing even a first name. It just shouldn't
be called doxing.
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No, but you're apparently very invested in not improving the way things happen here.
But you are?!? :LMAO:
He's right, you know. You really are a stupid fuck.
You are, apparently, incapable of parsing double negatives.
Which would explain a lot of why you can't understand me.
But, there is still the core problem - you're corrupt, won't address the issue even to yourself,
and...of course, are a FUCKING BABY in denial.
Admittedly I should have done a better job of commenting on that particular line. My sentiment still stands, though. You're a stupid fuck.
You should have done a better job of trying to avoid making administrative decisions based upon
petty personal considerations.
Oh, and avoiding being a FUCKING BABY.
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He can't, I do not think it is that he is ignorant. I am reasonably sure it is poor emotional development that his psyche protects his ego from anything remotely close to self-criticism or introspection.
It's very hard for me to think so badly of someone. I mean, being a corrupt tyrant? I can
see that - it seems almost human nature. Maybe without all the enablers, he'd be
able to see who he is/has become, and actually improve himself.
But, I often expect too much of people.
I'm so glad you two found each other again.
Funny thing. I avoided trying to agree too strongly with what Les and Scrap were saying about you,
because I thought maybe you could maybe learn to be less corrupt if approached from a less antagonistic
stance.
But yeah, that doesn't work with FUCKING BABIES.
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How about we abide by the commonly accepted definition of the word "doxxing", as per the world's major English language dictionaries. That way if you've got a problem with the definition you can send them an email and explain to them how wrong they are.
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How about we abide by the commonly accepted definition of the word "doxxing", as per the world's major English language dictionaries. That way if you've got a problem with the definition you can send them an email and explain to them how wrong they are.
Search for and publish private or identifying information about (a particular individual) on the Internet, typically with malicious intent.
to publicly identify or publish private information about (someone) especially as a form of punishment or revenge
To publicly disclose the identity, address, or other personal details of (someone), especially as a form of online harassment.
to publish personal information about (a person) on the internet
Which is to say, they're all over the place. And lack specificity. Which is why things like standards
organizations come into play. As (presumably) an engineer, you and odeon both should understand
this. While sometimes standards cause problems with commonly used words, formal dictionaries
are actually liable to be WORSE in cases of technical terms entering the language.
We had the NIST definition already, but a better one are those closer to the internet usage:
the Internet-based practice of researching and broadcasting private or identifiable information (especially personally identifiable information) about an individual or organization
a technique of tracing someone or gather information about an individual using sources on the internet.
The notable thing here (and in the OED for what it matters) is that simply publishing information isn't sufficient. It has to be actively researched. It is neither something handed off via a trust
relationship, nor merely linking a name (perhaps via guesswork?).
What does that all mean? While there are more acceptable versions of the term than others
(and notably, the definition you've rallied to in order to please your source of tongue feces
is fairly weakly used, even in the least connected sources: dictionaries), it is understandable
that you, dunc, odeon, and others might make this mistake. All the more reason to SPECIFY
the term clearly, rather than just throwing it around, and assuming everyone can read
the site owner's mind.
In this though, Odeon is right - I haven't changed. I do believe that, in order to avoid future
problems, things (like the rules of the democracy, or a TOS) should be spelled out as clearly
and completely as possible.
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Cal, sounds like you've got some work ahead of you convincing those silly dictionaries that they've got it all wrong.
Good luck with that.
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I thought doxxing was owning a dachshund.
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Cal, sounds like you've got some work ahead of you convincing those silly dictionaries that they've got it all wrong.
Good luck with that.
Nah. I'll leave the ONE that comes close to your definition where it is.
I think I see the problem. You're not able to read. Not the dictionaries,
not my words. Probably because your tongue is so deep in some FUCKING BABY'S
asshole.
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Cal, sounds like you've got some work ahead of you convincing those silly dictionaries that they've got it all wrong.
Good luck with that.
Nah. I'll leave the ONE that comes close to your definition where it is.
I think I see the problem. You're not able to read. Not the dictionaries,
not my words. Probably because your tongue is so deep in some FUCKING BABY'S
asshole.
No worries. Leave all those dictionary definitions right where they are, they all look fine to me. Tell me more about my tongue.
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Nah. I don't want to arouse the two of you more than I already have.
It could really damage your lives.
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He can't, I do not think it is that he is ignorant. I am reasonably sure it is poor emotional development that his psyche protects his ego from anything remotely close to self-criticism or introspection.
It's very hard for me to think so badly of someone. I mean, being a corrupt tyrant? I can
see that - it seems almost human nature. Maybe without all the enablers, he'd be
able to see who he is/has become, and actually improve himself.
But, I often expect too much of people.
I'm so glad you two found each other again.
Funny thing. I avoided trying to agree too strongly with what Les and Scrap were saying about you,
because I thought maybe you could maybe learn to be less corrupt if approached from a less antagonistic
stance.
But yeah, that doesn't work with FUCKING BABIES.
Scrap and Les?
Yeah, I agree.
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Not sure why you'd agree with them, though, considering they act like a bunch of fucking babies.
No, wait, that was your argument, right?
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I've never ever claimed I'm a "bastion of good". Quite the opposite.
This is sig-worthy and really everything you need to know about odeot.
This is the closest thing to an admission of guilt we will ever get out of this Scandinavian scoundrel.
Dunc and McJ were fools for ever trusting him and turning the site over to him during the RobertN fiasco.
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Doxing is publishing personal information on the internet.
So if I publish information specifically about who you are IRL without your consent, that's doxing.
It's not some definition that Odeon made up.
Odeot HAS made up his own definition though.
Posting the common first name of a member here who hasn't posted in over 9 years without making a connection between the username and actual first name is what passes for "doxing" according to odeot.
This is the problem with odeot in general, he makes up the rules as he goes along and those rules vary from person to person.
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Not sure why you'd agree with them, though, considering they act like a bunch of fucking babies.
No, wait, that was your argument, right?
No. The only FUCKING BABY I'm worried about is an admin.
Whatever standard members do that I've seen doesn't qualify as an abuse of power.
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I've never ever claimed I'm a "bastion of good". Quite the opposite.
This is sig-worthy and really everything you need to know about odeot.
This is the closest thing to an admission of guilt we will ever get out of this Scandinavian scoundrel.
Dunc and McJ were fools for ever trusting him and turning the site over to him during the RobertN fiasco.
So why are you still here?
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Not sure why you'd agree with them, though, considering they act like a bunch of fucking babies.
No, wait, that was your argument, right?
No. The only FUCKING BABY I'm worried about is an admin.
Whatever standard members do that I've seen doesn't qualify as an abuse of power.
Sorry, I forgot. You also act like a fucking baby.
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Not sure why you'd agree with them, though, considering they act like a bunch of fucking babies.
No, wait, that was your argument, right?
Pretty fucking rich from the guy who resorts to Admin tools when he gets triggered and goes on a hiatus when he can't get his way, whilst coting he is not sure he should keep site open.
Noooooo.....YOU are not a baby. Everyone else are babies. Everyone else is butthurt.
Fucking hypocritical, dishonest child
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Not sure why you'd agree with them, though, considering they act like a bunch of fucking babies.
No, wait, that was your argument, right?
Pretty fucking rich from the guy who resorts to Admin tools when he gets triggered and goes on a hiatus when he can't get his way, whilst coting he is not sure he should keep site open.
Noooooo.....YOU are not a baby. Everyone else are babies. Everyone else is butthurt.
Fucking hypocritical, dishonest child
Ah, the butthurt one. I knew you'd show up.
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Not sure why you'd agree with them, though, considering they act like a bunch of fucking babies.
No, wait, that was your argument, right?
No. The only FUCKING BABY I'm worried about is an admin.
Whatever standard members do that I've seen doesn't qualify as an abuse of power.
Sorry, I forgot. You also act like a fucking baby.
I'm only acting. :D
Ok, that's the lulz line - which is of course where you want this all going.
But no, there's a difference. No one's suggesting that I, or any other non-admin
replace you, so that is irrelevant. Don't open up you're "what about" crap when
the issue is YOUR CORRUPT BEHAVIOR.
FUCKING BABY
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Not sure why you'd agree with them, though, considering they act like a bunch of fucking babies.
No, wait, that was your argument, right?
Pretty fucking rich from the guy who resorts to Admin tools when he gets triggered and goes on a hiatus when he can't get his way, whilst coting he is not sure he should keep site open.
Noooooo.....YOU are not a baby. Everyone else are babies. Everyone else is butthurt.
Fucking hypocritical, dishonest child
Ah, the butthurt one. I knew you'd show up.
No matter how much you attack others, it doesn't excuse the CORRUPTION THAT
YOU ENGAGE IN.
FUCKING BABY
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:yawn: Come up with something new, will ya.
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Why do the stats show so many more new members than the member list?
Maybe the bots that register but fail the CAPTCHA become part of the statistics?
It's really annoying that you don't know. :laugh: Isn't there some admin discussion forum where you can find out? Bots that register and pass the captcha would make more sense. As far as I know, the member list doesn't display banned members. Can't you see all of your members?
Ah, but the number of people registering is not the same as the number of members. :laugh:
The statistic is for new members.
The stats show there was a new member joined yesterday, but there's no new member. What happened there?
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(1) Yes. There is no middle ground. Any action taken by anyone with extra buttons can become endless drama, can be the grounds for confected outrage.
Disagree. There are plenty of spaces, for example corporate-owned forums, where it's in the TOS that the owners can do what they want. That doesn't by any means spare them from drama. There is an endless supply of people lulled into getting personally invested in places, whether they are "free" or not. Time spent there becomes an illusion of ownership. Democracy doesn't spare a space from drama either, otherwise politics would be an uncontentious issue. :P
I saw something on the news recently about an enormous fatberg that was discovered in a sewer, and I realized something. This place isn't a dustbin and it isn't even a sewer. It's the internet equivalent of a fatberg. Because the crap just gets stuck and never goes anywhere.
Overall I agree with you. I've been on plenty of internet forums. There are always drama llamas who get butturt when a moderator uses their buttons, and those drama llamas either get over it or they don't last long. Problem solved either way. Personally, if I don't like the way that the admins and mods run a site I will have my say, calmly and rationally, and then I'll either get over it and stay or I'll get over it and go somewhere else. Because that's part of being a grown up, learning to get over shit.
But the reality is that in I^2, the fatberg of the internet, if someone disagrees with an admins use of a button or with an admins enforcement or interpretation of a rule, that just becomes fuel for a bunch of stupid neverending grudges and butthurt and drama. And it's never let go of, and it's never forgotten.
As I said, people who refuse to get over shit don't last long at other places. What happens to people who get banned everywhere else? Guess where they end up? The one place where it's nearly impossible to get banned. I^2 doesn't work like other places, and expecting it to work like other places and for people to get over shit or leave like they do in other places, obviously doesn't work.
So a rule that works elsewhere, it's obviously not working here. Because that butthurt and spite will eventually see this place close down altogether.
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:yawn: Come up with something new, will ya.
Sure. Just stop being such a FUCKING BABY
(notice - everything involving you devolves into this kind of conversation. Not everything
involving me, Scrap, Al, any other admin here ever....
That should be a clue as to where the problem is - assuming you've been too fucking
dense, wrapped up in your own warm diapers, to notice)
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Why do the stats show so many more new members than the member list?
Maybe the bots that register but fail the CAPTCHA become part of the statistics?
It's really annoying that you don't know. :laugh: Isn't there some admin discussion forum where you can find out? Bots that register and pass the captcha would make more sense. As far as I know, the member list doesn't display banned members. Can't you see all of your members?
Ah, but the number of people registering is not the same as the number of members. :laugh:
The statistic is for new members.
The stats show there was a new member joined yesterday, but there's no new member. What happened there?
Probably took one look at how the site is run...and ran
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(1) Yes. There is no middle ground. Any action taken by anyone with extra buttons can become endless drama, can be the grounds for confected outrage.
Disagree. There are plenty of spaces, for example corporate-owned forums, where it's in the TOS that the owners can do what they want. That doesn't by any means spare them from drama. There is an endless supply of people lulled into getting personally invested in places, whether they are "free" or not. Time spent there becomes an illusion of ownership. Democracy doesn't spare a space from drama either, otherwise politics would be an uncontentious issue. :P
I saw something on the news recently about an enormous fatberg that was discovered in a sewer, and I realized something. This place isn't a dustbin and it isn't even a sewer. It's the internet equivalent of a fatberg. Because the crap just gets stuck and never goes anywhere.
Overall I agree with you. I've been on plenty of internet forums. There are always drama llamas who get butturt when a moderator uses their buttons, and those drama llamas either get over it or they don't last long. Problem solved either way. Personally, if I don't like the way that the admins and mods run a site I will have my say, calmly and rationally, and then I'll either get over it and stay or I'll get over it and go somewhere else. Because that's part of being a grown up, learning to get over shit.
But the reality is that in I^2, the fatberg of the internet, if someone disagrees with an admins use of a button or with an admins enforcement or interpretation of a rule, that just becomes fuel for a bunch of stupid neverending grudges and butthurt and drama. And it's never let go of, and it's never forgotten.
As I said, people who refuse to get over shit don't last long at other places. What happens to people who get banned everywhere else? Guess where they end up? The one place where it's nearly impossible to get banned. I^2 doesn't work like other places, and expecting it to work like other places and for people to get over shit or leave like they do in other places, obviously doesn't work.
So a rule that works elsewhere, it's obviously not working here. Because that butthurt and spite will eventually see this place close down altogether.
Yep. The surprising thing is that the site ended up pretty much in the hands
of a FUCKING BABY who can't help but abuse the buttons though.
You'd think the self selection wouldn't have attracted the type who like to use
the admin panel for bullying.
I guess it takes that kind of drive to keep the place open though. Gotta get enough
kicks somehow.
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:yawn: Come up with something new, will ya.
Sure. Just stop being such a FUCKING BABY
(notice - everything involving you devolves into this kind of conversation. Not everything
involving me, Scrap, Al, any other admin here ever....
That should be a clue as to where the problem is - assuming you've been too fucking
dense, wrapped up in your own warm diapers, to notice)
Straw man after straw man after straw man. Change the fucking record already.
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(1) Yes. There is no middle ground. Any action taken by anyone with extra buttons can become endless drama, can be the grounds for confected outrage.
Disagree. There are plenty of spaces, for example corporate-owned forums, where it's in the TOS that the owners can do what they want. That doesn't by any means spare them from drama. There is an endless supply of people lulled into getting personally invested in places, whether they are "free" or not. Time spent there becomes an illusion of ownership. Democracy doesn't spare a space from drama either, otherwise politics would be an uncontentious issue. :P
I saw something on the news recently about an enormous fatberg that was discovered in a sewer, and I realized something. This place isn't a dustbin and it isn't even a sewer. It's the internet equivalent of a fatberg. Because the crap just gets stuck and never goes anywhere.
Overall I agree with you. I've been on plenty of internet forums. There are always drama llamas who get butturt when a moderator uses their buttons, and those drama llamas either get over it or they don't last long. Problem solved either way. Personally, if I don't like the way that the admins and mods run a site I will have my say, calmly and rationally, and then I'll either get over it and stay or I'll get over it and go somewhere else. Because that's part of being a grown up, learning to get over shit.
But the reality is that in I^2, the fatberg of the internet, if someone disagrees with an admins use of a button or with an admins enforcement or interpretation of a rule, that just becomes fuel for a bunch of stupid neverending grudges and butthurt and drama. And it's never let go of, and it's never forgotten.
As I said, people who refuse to get over shit don't last long at other places. What happens to people who get banned everywhere else? Guess where they end up? The one place where it's nearly impossible to get banned. I^2 doesn't work like other places, and expecting it to work like other places and for people to get over shit or leave like they do in other places, obviously doesn't work.
So a rule that works elsewhere, it's obviously not working here. Because that butthurt and spite will eventually see this place close down altogether.
Yep. The surprising thing is that the site ended up pretty much in the hands
of a FUCKING BABY who can't help but abuse the buttons though.
You'd think the self selection wouldn't have attracted the type who like to use
the admin panel for bullying.
I guess it takes that kind of drive to keep the place open though. Gotta get enough
kicks somehow.
And yet you're still posting. Fucking wanker.
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We're gonna need a bigger sack.
-
Yeah, goes without saying.
-
A simple question about nutsacks in general ...
Why is it that, as these horridly huge nutsacks grow larger and larger, they begin to ITCH more than ever and also become almost impossible to scratch?
Metaphor? Real life? Dunno, grow one and see!
-
:yawn: Come up with something new, will ya.
Sure. Just stop being such a FUCKING BABY
(notice - everything involving you devolves into this kind of conversation. Not everything
involving me, Scrap, Al, any other admin here ever....
That should be a clue as to where the problem is - assuming you've been too fucking
dense, wrapped up in your own warm diapers, to notice)
Straw man after straw man after straw man. Change the fucking record already.
No straw man. Just observations.
Ones anyone can see.
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(1) Yes. There is no middle ground. Any action taken by anyone with extra buttons can become endless drama, can be the grounds for confected outrage.
Disagree. There are plenty of spaces, for example corporate-owned forums, where it's in the TOS that the owners can do what they want. That doesn't by any means spare them from drama. There is an endless supply of people lulled into getting personally invested in places, whether they are "free" or not. Time spent there becomes an illusion of ownership. Democracy doesn't spare a space from drama either, otherwise politics would be an uncontentious issue. :P
I saw something on the news recently about an enormous fatberg that was discovered in a sewer, and I realized something. This place isn't a dustbin and it isn't even a sewer. It's the internet equivalent of a fatberg. Because the crap just gets stuck and never goes anywhere.
Overall I agree with you. I've been on plenty of internet forums. There are always drama llamas who get butturt when a moderator uses their buttons, and those drama llamas either get over it or they don't last long. Problem solved either way. Personally, if I don't like the way that the admins and mods run a site I will have my say, calmly and rationally, and then I'll either get over it and stay or I'll get over it and go somewhere else. Because that's part of being a grown up, learning to get over shit.
But the reality is that in I^2, the fatberg of the internet, if someone disagrees with an admins use of a button or with an admins enforcement or interpretation of a rule, that just becomes fuel for a bunch of stupid neverending grudges and butthurt and drama. And it's never let go of, and it's never forgotten.
As I said, people who refuse to get over shit don't last long at other places. What happens to people who get banned everywhere else? Guess where they end up? The one place where it's nearly impossible to get banned. I^2 doesn't work like other places, and expecting it to work like other places and for people to get over shit or leave like they do in other places, obviously doesn't work.
So a rule that works elsewhere, it's obviously not working here. Because that butthurt and spite will eventually see this place close down altogether.
Yep. The surprising thing is that the site ended up pretty much in the hands
of a FUCKING BABY who can't help but abuse the buttons though.
You'd think the self selection wouldn't have attracted the type who like to use
the admin panel for bullying.
I guess it takes that kind of drive to keep the place open though. Gotta get enough
kicks somehow.
And yet you're still posting. Fucking wanker.
You're incapable of either addressing the issues (as usual) or restraining yourself.
FUCKING BABY.
-
A simple question about nutsacks in general ...
Why is it that, as these horridly huge nutsacks grow larger and larger, they begin to ITCH more than ever and also become almost impossible to scratch?
Metaphor? Real life? Dunno, grow one and see!
I'd blame the lice
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A simple question about nutsacks in general ...
Why is it that, as these horridly huge nutsacks grow larger and larger, they begin to ITCH more than ever and also become almost impossible to scratch?
Metaphor? Real life? Dunno, grow one and see!
I'd blame the lice
So, not a metaphor?
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:yawn: Come up with something new, will ya.
Sure. Just stop being such a FUCKING BABY
(notice - everything involving you devolves into this kind of conversation. Not everything
involving me, Scrap, Al, any other admin here ever....
That should be a clue as to where the problem is - assuming you've been too fucking
dense, wrapped up in your own warm diapers, to notice)
Straw man after straw man after straw man. Change the fucking record already.
No straw man. Just observations.
Ones anyone can see.
A lie isn't any less of a lie if you repeat it.
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(1) Yes. There is no middle ground. Any action taken by anyone with extra buttons can become endless drama, can be the grounds for confected outrage.
Disagree. There are plenty of spaces, for example corporate-owned forums, where it's in the TOS that the owners can do what they want. That doesn't by any means spare them from drama. There is an endless supply of people lulled into getting personally invested in places, whether they are "free" or not. Time spent there becomes an illusion of ownership. Democracy doesn't spare a space from drama either, otherwise politics would be an uncontentious issue. :P
I saw something on the news recently about an enormous fatberg that was discovered in a sewer, and I realized something. This place isn't a dustbin and it isn't even a sewer. It's the internet equivalent of a fatberg. Because the crap just gets stuck and never goes anywhere.
Overall I agree with you. I've been on plenty of internet forums. There are always drama llamas who get butturt when a moderator uses their buttons, and those drama llamas either get over it or they don't last long. Problem solved either way. Personally, if I don't like the way that the admins and mods run a site I will have my say, calmly and rationally, and then I'll either get over it and stay or I'll get over it and go somewhere else. Because that's part of being a grown up, learning to get over shit.
But the reality is that in I^2, the fatberg of the internet, if someone disagrees with an admins use of a button or with an admins enforcement or interpretation of a rule, that just becomes fuel for a bunch of stupid neverending grudges and butthurt and drama. And it's never let go of, and it's never forgotten.
As I said, people who refuse to get over shit don't last long at other places. What happens to people who get banned everywhere else? Guess where they end up? The one place where it's nearly impossible to get banned. I^2 doesn't work like other places, and expecting it to work like other places and for people to get over shit or leave like they do in other places, obviously doesn't work.
So a rule that works elsewhere, it's obviously not working here. Because that butthurt and spite will eventually see this place close down altogether.
Yep. The surprising thing is that the site ended up pretty much in the hands
of a FUCKING BABY who can't help but abuse the buttons though.
You'd think the self selection wouldn't have attracted the type who like to use
the admin panel for bullying.
I guess it takes that kind of drive to keep the place open though. Gotta get enough
kicks somehow.
And yet you're still posting. Fucking wanker.
You're incapable of either addressing the issues (as usual) or restraining yourself.
FUCKING BABY.
Hey, two can play this game.
FUCKING WANKER!
The all-caps thing is just SO CONVINCING.
-
The stats show there was a new member joined yesterday, but there's no new member. What happened there?
-
A simple question about nutsacks in general ...
Why is it that, as these horridly huge nutsacks grow larger and larger, they begin to ITCH more than ever and also become almost impossible to scratch?
Metaphor? Real life? Dunno, grow one and see!
No thank you. My two boobs are quite enough to handle. (I'm a DD and The PR is larger than me. I have to put not only my boobs in a bra, but hers. Sometimes I think I'm doing nothing more than handling watermelons that won't listen.
-
A simple question about nutsacks in general ...
Why is it that, as these horridly huge nutsacks grow larger and larger, they begin to ITCH more than ever and also become almost impossible to scratch?
Metaphor? Real life? Dunno, grow one and see!
I'd blame the lice
So, not a metaphor?
Who knows? It still could be.
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:yawn: Come up with something new, will ya.
Sure. Just stop being such a FUCKING BABY
(notice - everything involving you devolves into this kind of conversation. Not everything
involving me, Scrap, Al, any other admin here ever....
That should be a clue as to where the problem is - assuming you've been too fucking
dense, wrapped up in your own warm diapers, to notice)
Straw man after straw man after straw man. Change the fucking record already.
No straw man. Just observations.
Ones anyone can see.
A lie isn't any less of a lie if you repeat it.
Nor does something become one, if the FUCKING BABY pretends it is.
Do you REALLY believe that changing people's words, obfuscating what they say, and relegating
their speech to specific, out of the way corners of the site, based upon your personal opinion alone,
when they are raising issues about how you've administrated the site is NOT an abuse of power?
Because, you haven't ever stated that, AFAIK.
There are other examples, but I'd be right curious about the mind that can do such things.
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(1) Yes. There is no middle ground. Any action taken by anyone with extra buttons can become endless drama, can be the grounds for confected outrage.
Disagree. There are plenty of spaces, for example corporate-owned forums, where it's in the TOS that the owners can do what they want. That doesn't by any means spare them from drama. There is an endless supply of people lulled into getting personally invested in places, whether they are "free" or not. Time spent there becomes an illusion of ownership. Democracy doesn't spare a space from drama either, otherwise politics would be an uncontentious issue. :P
I saw something on the news recently about an enormous fatberg that was discovered in a sewer, and I realized something. This place isn't a dustbin and it isn't even a sewer. It's the internet equivalent of a fatberg. Because the crap just gets stuck and never goes anywhere.
Overall I agree with you. I've been on plenty of internet forums. There are always drama llamas who get butturt when a moderator uses their buttons, and those drama llamas either get over it or they don't last long. Problem solved either way. Personally, if I don't like the way that the admins and mods run a site I will have my say, calmly and rationally, and then I'll either get over it and stay or I'll get over it and go somewhere else. Because that's part of being a grown up, learning to get over shit.
But the reality is that in I^2, the fatberg of the internet, if someone disagrees with an admins use of a button or with an admins enforcement or interpretation of a rule, that just becomes fuel for a bunch of stupid neverending grudges and butthurt and drama. And it's never let go of, and it's never forgotten.
As I said, people who refuse to get over shit don't last long at other places. What happens to people who get banned everywhere else? Guess where they end up? The one place where it's nearly impossible to get banned. I^2 doesn't work like other places, and expecting it to work like other places and for people to get over shit or leave like they do in other places, obviously doesn't work.
So a rule that works elsewhere, it's obviously not working here. Because that butthurt and spite will eventually see this place close down altogether.
Yep. The surprising thing is that the site ended up pretty much in the hands
of a FUCKING BABY who can't help but abuse the buttons though.
You'd think the self selection wouldn't have attracted the type who like to use
the admin panel for bullying.
I guess it takes that kind of drive to keep the place open though. Gotta get enough
kicks somehow.
And yet you're still posting. Fucking wanker.
You're incapable of either addressing the issues (as usual) or restraining yourself.
FUCKING BABY.
Hey, two can play this game.
FUCKING WANKER!
The all-caps thing is just SO CONVINCING.
I figure your own style of engagement might just get through to you,
when reason does not, FUCKING BABY
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:yawn: Come up with something new, will ya.
Sure. Just stop being such a FUCKING BABY
(notice - everything involving you devolves into this kind of conversation. Not everything
involving me, Scrap, Al, any other admin here ever....
That should be a clue as to where the problem is - assuming you've been too fucking
dense, wrapped up in your own warm diapers, to notice)
Straw man after straw man after straw man. Change the fucking record already.
Except it is not a strawman.
In this instance this is not one person stating one opinion against someone else stating a different opinion.
The consistencies are evident, your shortcomings rather transparent and your attempts to deflect and such, rather hollow.
There is no straw.
Cal is just right. I mean it is hardly a feat of greatness pointing out the onvious but implying a different reality is just stupid.
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:yawn: Come up with something new, will ya.
Sure. Just stop being such a FUCKING BABY
(notice - everything involving you devolves into this kind of conversation. Not everything
involving me, Scrap, Al, any other admin here ever....
That should be a clue as to where the problem is - assuming you've been too fucking
dense, wrapped up in your own warm diapers, to notice)
Straw man after straw man after straw man. Change the fucking record already.
No straw man. Just observations.
Ones anyone can see.
A lie isn't any less of a lie if you repeat it.
Heed your own advice
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Not sure why you'd agree with them, though, considering they act like a bunch of fucking babies.
No, wait, that was your argument, right?
Odeon, you really are a projectionist
-
A simple question about nutsacks in general ...
Why is it that, as these horridly huge nutsacks grow larger and larger, they begin to ITCH more than ever and also become almost impossible to scratch?
Metaphor? Real life? Dunno, grow one and see!
No thank you. My two boobs are quite enough to handle. (I'm a DD and The PR is larger than me. I have to put not only my boobs in a bra, but hers. Sometimes I think I'm doing nothing more than handling watermelons that won't listen.
:lol1:
My comment was rhetorical. I can see yours is not.
:hide:
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The stats show there was a new member joined yesterday, but there's no new member. What happened there?
I just checked. The IP has been reported as spam 1996 times and originates from somewhere in the Ukraine.
The standard process at the moment (not that I agree with it necessarily) is to withhold registration confirmation until the IP can be checked, which usually ends up taking a day or two until an admin gets to it. Unfortunately most of the ones we get at the moment are spambots.
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The stats show there was a new member joined yesterday, but there's no new member. What happened there?
Another bot.
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:yawn: Come up with something new, will ya.
Sure. Just stop being such a FUCKING BABY
(notice - everything involving you devolves into this kind of conversation. Not everything
involving me, Scrap, Al, any other admin here ever....
That should be a clue as to where the problem is - assuming you've been too fucking
dense, wrapped up in your own warm diapers, to notice)
Straw man after straw man after straw man. Change the fucking record already.
No straw man. Just observations.
Ones anyone can see.
A lie isn't any less of a lie if you repeat it.
Nor does something become one, if the FUCKING BABY pretends it is.
Do you REALLY believe that changing people's words, obfuscating what they say, and relegating
their speech to specific, out of the way corners of the site, based upon your personal opinion alone,
when they are raising issues about how you've administrated the site is NOT an abuse of power?
Because, you haven't ever stated that, AFAIK.
There are other examples, but I'd be right curious about the mind that can do such things.
Oh, fuck of, you DRAMA QUEEN! You're still lying.
Incidentally, I thought you'd be at least slightly more honest than your current posse. I guess not.
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(1) Yes. There is no middle ground. Any action taken by anyone with extra buttons can become endless drama, can be the grounds for confected outrage.
Disagree. There are plenty of spaces, for example corporate-owned forums, where it's in the TOS that the owners can do what they want. That doesn't by any means spare them from drama. There is an endless supply of people lulled into getting personally invested in places, whether they are "free" or not. Time spent there becomes an illusion of ownership. Democracy doesn't spare a space from drama either, otherwise politics would be an uncontentious issue. :P
I saw something on the news recently about an enormous fatberg that was discovered in a sewer, and I realized something. This place isn't a dustbin and it isn't even a sewer. It's the internet equivalent of a fatberg. Because the crap just gets stuck and never goes anywhere.
Overall I agree with you. I've been on plenty of internet forums. There are always drama llamas who get butturt when a moderator uses their buttons, and those drama llamas either get over it or they don't last long. Problem solved either way. Personally, if I don't like the way that the admins and mods run a site I will have my say, calmly and rationally, and then I'll either get over it and stay or I'll get over it and go somewhere else. Because that's part of being a grown up, learning to get over shit.
But the reality is that in I^2, the fatberg of the internet, if someone disagrees with an admins use of a button or with an admins enforcement or interpretation of a rule, that just becomes fuel for a bunch of stupid neverending grudges and butthurt and drama. And it's never let go of, and it's never forgotten.
As I said, people who refuse to get over shit don't last long at other places. What happens to people who get banned everywhere else? Guess where they end up? The one place where it's nearly impossible to get banned. I^2 doesn't work like other places, and expecting it to work like other places and for people to get over shit or leave like they do in other places, obviously doesn't work.
So a rule that works elsewhere, it's obviously not working here. Because that butthurt and spite will eventually see this place close down altogether.
Yep. The surprising thing is that the site ended up pretty much in the hands
of a FUCKING BABY who can't help but abuse the buttons though.
You'd think the self selection wouldn't have attracted the type who like to use
the admin panel for bullying.
I guess it takes that kind of drive to keep the place open though. Gotta get enough
kicks somehow.
And yet you're still posting. Fucking wanker.
You're incapable of either addressing the issues (as usual) or restraining yourself.
FUCKING BABY.
Hey, two can play this game.
FUCKING WANKER!
The all-caps thing is just SO CONVINCING.
I figure your own style of engagement might just get through to you,
when reason does not, FUCKING BABY
FUCKING WANKER.
I never did this in all caps drama. you've regressed.
-
:yawn: Come up with something new, will ya.
Sure. Just stop being such a FUCKING BABY
(notice - everything involving you devolves into this kind of conversation. Not everything
involving me, Scrap, Al, any other admin here ever....
That should be a clue as to where the problem is - assuming you've been too fucking
dense, wrapped up in your own warm diapers, to notice)
Straw man after straw man after straw man. Change the fucking record already.
Except it is not a strawman.
In this instance this is not one person stating one opinion against someone else stating a different opinion.
The consistencies are evident, your shortcomings rather transparent and your attempts to deflect and such, rather hollow.
There is no straw.
Cal is just right. I mean it is hardly a feat of greatness pointing out the onvious but implying a different reality is just stupid.
Another straw man. I expected no less from you.
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Not sure why you'd agree with them, though, considering they act like a bunch of fucking babies.
No, wait, that was your argument, right?
Odeon, you really are a projectionist
Ah, one of the babies.
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Wondering what Cal et al see as their end game. Their arguments are as ridiculous as ever and replying to them in kind is not much of an effort. I can do this forever, but nothing is likely to change and honestly, there's no point anyway. I'm not going to change my views - I see evidence that I'm right every day - and I'm guessing they won't either.
So... :popcorn: :yawn:
-
:yawn: Come up with something new, will ya.
Sure. Just stop being such a FUCKING BABY
(notice - everything involving you devolves into this kind of conversation. Not everything
involving me, Scrap, Al, any other admin here ever....
That should be a clue as to where the problem is - assuming you've been too fucking
dense, wrapped up in your own warm diapers, to notice)
Straw man after straw man after straw man. Change the fucking record already.
No straw man. Just observations.
Ones anyone can see.
A lie isn't any less of a lie if you repeat it.
Nor does something become one, if the FUCKING BABY pretends it is.
Do you REALLY believe that changing people's words, obfuscating what they say, and relegating
their speech to specific, out of the way corners of the site, based upon your personal opinion alone,
when they are raising issues about how you've administrated the site is NOT an abuse of power?
Because, you haven't ever stated that, AFAIK.
There are other examples, but I'd be right curious about the mind that can do such things.
Oh, fuck of, you DRAMA QUEEN! You're still lying.
Incidentally, I thought you'd be at least slightly more honest than your current posse. I guess not.
I thought so. You can't even make sense. If I ask a question, you try and obfuscate it
by calling the QUESTION lying.
Seriously, is it really possible that you delude yourself this much, FUCKING BABY?
Or is this all an act, and you know that your little sycophants might stop licking your ass
and pay attention if you flat out admitted what you do? I doubt they would. I don't think
MosW is such a moron that he can't see what you do, and his tongue is in there. Others
(say Pyraxis) probably just figure that fixing the FUCKING BABY isn't possible, and the
best they can do is try and restrain your impulses from completely ruining the place.
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(1) Yes. There is no middle ground. Any action taken by anyone with extra buttons can become endless drama, can be the grounds for confected outrage.
Disagree. There are plenty of spaces, for example corporate-owned forums, where it's in the TOS that the owners can do what they want. That doesn't by any means spare them from drama. There is an endless supply of people lulled into getting personally invested in places, whether they are "free" or not. Time spent there becomes an illusion of ownership. Democracy doesn't spare a space from drama either, otherwise politics would be an uncontentious issue. :P
I saw something on the news recently about an enormous fatberg that was discovered in a sewer, and I realized something. This place isn't a dustbin and it isn't even a sewer. It's the internet equivalent of a fatberg. Because the crap just gets stuck and never goes anywhere.
Overall I agree with you. I've been on plenty of internet forums. There are always drama llamas who get butturt when a moderator uses their buttons, and those drama llamas either get over it or they don't last long. Problem solved either way. Personally, if I don't like the way that the admins and mods run a site I will have my say, calmly and rationally, and then I'll either get over it and stay or I'll get over it and go somewhere else. Because that's part of being a grown up, learning to get over shit.
But the reality is that in I^2, the fatberg of the internet, if someone disagrees with an admins use of a button or with an admins enforcement or interpretation of a rule, that just becomes fuel for a bunch of stupid neverending grudges and butthurt and drama. And it's never let go of, and it's never forgotten.
As I said, people who refuse to get over shit don't last long at other places. What happens to people who get banned everywhere else? Guess where they end up? The one place where it's nearly impossible to get banned. I^2 doesn't work like other places, and expecting it to work like other places and for people to get over shit or leave like they do in other places, obviously doesn't work.
So a rule that works elsewhere, it's obviously not working here. Because that butthurt and spite will eventually see this place close down altogether.
Yep. The surprising thing is that the site ended up pretty much in the hands
of a FUCKING BABY who can't help but abuse the buttons though.
You'd think the self selection wouldn't have attracted the type who like to use
the admin panel for bullying.
I guess it takes that kind of drive to keep the place open though. Gotta get enough
kicks somehow.
And yet you're still posting. Fucking wanker.
You're incapable of either addressing the issues (as usual) or restraining yourself.
FUCKING BABY.
Hey, two can play this game.
FUCKING WANKER!
The all-caps thing is just SO CONVINCING.
I figure your own style of engagement might just get through to you,
when reason does not, FUCKING BABY
FUCKING WANKER.
I never did this in all caps drama. you've regressed.
Looks like SOMETHING AT LEAST can get the FUCKING BABY'S attention.
Now, can we engage the FUCKING BABY enough to develop a sense of morals sufficient to be in a position of power?
SHITSTIRRERS WANT TO KNOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Wondering what Cal et al see as their end game. Their arguments are as ridiculous as ever and replying to them in kind is not much of an effort. I can do this forever, but nothing is likely to change and honestly, there's no point anyway. I'm not going to change my views - I see evidence that I'm right every day - and I'm guessing they won't either.
So... :popcorn: :yawn:
Oh, at this point there is no end game.
I've decided that I'll just play the game the way you do - by calling you a FUCKING BABY
all the time. Because it seems to get through where logic and ethics don't.
It won't change anything. But at least you know you're forever a FUCKING BABY
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The stats show there was a new member joined yesterday, but there's no new member. What happened there?
I just checked. The IP has been reported as spam 1996 times and originates from somewhere in the Ukraine.
The standard process at the moment (not that I agree with it necessarily) is to withhold registration confirmation until the IP can be checked, which usually ends up taking a day or two until an admin gets to it. Unfortunately most of the ones we get at the moment are spambots.
It would make sense to block such IP addresses entirely. Save some effort.
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Not sure why you'd agree with them, though, considering they act like a bunch of fucking babies.
No, wait, that was your argument, right?
Odeon, you really are a projectionist
Ah, one of the babies.
(https://icdn5.digitaltrends.com/image/home-theater-projector-2-1280x854.jpg)
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It would make sense to block such IP addresses entirely. Save some effort.
It's always a new one though.
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:yawn: Come up with something new, will ya.
Sure. Just stop being such a FUCKING BABY
(notice - everything involving you devolves into this kind of conversation. Not everything
involving me, Scrap, Al, any other admin here ever....
That should be a clue as to where the problem is - assuming you've been too fucking
dense, wrapped up in your own warm diapers, to notice)
Straw man after straw man after straw man. Change the fucking record already.
No straw man. Just observations.
Ones anyone can see.
A lie isn't any less of a lie if you repeat it.
Nor does something become one, if the FUCKING BABY pretends it is.
Do you REALLY believe that changing people's words, obfuscating what they say, and relegating
their speech to specific, out of the way corners of the site, based upon your personal opinion alone,
when they are raising issues about how you've administrated the site is NOT an abuse of power?
Because, you haven't ever stated that, AFAIK.
There are other examples, but I'd be right curious about the mind that can do such things.
Oh, fuck of, you DRAMA QUEEN! You're still lying.
Incidentally, I thought you'd be at least slightly more honest than your current posse. I guess not.
There is nothing at all dishonest with what we say
I think the only contentious point is whether YOU believe the bullshit YOU spout.
I thought it would seal it when I realised a long time ago that you employ an arsenal of tactic from obfuscation, to projection, to simply reinventing the narrative. I am often incredulous that you actually are talking to people on your forum where your words and actions denounce the truth of what you are spouting. But then I came to realise that you rely on two things not to be called out: Ambivalence and memory recall of others. I you said something to explain your actions of two years ago and now choose to explain it with a different spin, that is dishonesty and on a forum with your words and action painting a different story. But so what? Who is going to really remember? Who is going to pull up those old quotes and scrutinise your lies and pin them to you? Who was even paying attention enough to have a bead on what was said or who did what?
The truth is though knowing you did all of these things was not enough for me to realise whether you are believing what you say or not. That is because though it is obvious you are completely full of bullshit, there is a real question of whether you are deliberately intention to spout the bullshit you spout or whether you have a reality so very skewed to call night day and actually on some level believe it.
Whichever the case, there is nothing dishonest in what we say.
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It would make sense to block such IP addresses entirely. Save some effort.
It's always a new one though.
Ah. I misunderstood. Thought it was reported HERE that many times. :D
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Not even we are that dense. :LOL:
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Just totally forgot there are collections of such info.
I think there's a mod which uses them to pre-screen off those lists. Never trusted it.
http://custom.simplemachines.org/mods/index.php?mod=3851
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I'm not going to change my views - I see evidence that I'm right every day
Another admission of narcissism, odeot is a reprobate.
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I've been on other forums where we have blocked, for example, the whole of Russia. The chances of someone (as opposed to a spambot) from Russia actually wanting to join the forum were considered to be less significant than the hassle of deleting dozens of spambots every day.
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Wondering what Cal et al see as their end game. Their arguments are as ridiculous as ever and replying to them in kind is not much of an effort. I can do this forever, but nothing is likely to change and honestly, there's no point anyway. I'm not going to change my views - I see evidence that I'm right every day - and I'm guessing they won't either.
So... :popcorn: :yawn:
Oh, at this point there is no end game.
I've decided that I'll just play the game the way you do - by calling you a FUCKING BABY
all the time. Because it seems to get through where logic and ethics don't.
It won't change anything. But at least you know you're forever a FUCKING BABY
In other words, if you can't get your way you'll just continue behaving like the WANKER you are. Gotcha.
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I've been on other forums where we have blocked, for example, the whole of Russia. The chances of someone (as opposed to a spambot) from Russia actually wanting to join the forum were considered to be less significant than the hassle of deleting dozens of spambots every day.
We rarely have to delete bots. Most of them are caught by a mod.
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Wondering what Cal et al see as their end game. Their arguments are as ridiculous as ever and replying to them in kind is not much of an effort. I can do this forever, but nothing is likely to change and honestly, there's no point anyway. I'm not going to change my views - I see evidence that I'm right every day - and I'm guessing they won't either.
So... :popcorn: :yawn:
Oh, at this point there is no end game.
I've decided that I'll just play the game the way you do - by calling you a FUCKING BABY
all the time. Because it seems to get through where logic and ethics don't.
It won't change anything. But at least you know you're forever a FUCKING BABY
In other words, if you can't get your way you'll just continue behaving like the WANKER you are. Gotcha.
Well what compelling reasoning this is. Circular as it gets.
There is no end game.
Here is how it works.
You chose to come at me, threaten me and lie about me and things in general. I called you on it and argued.
You escalated it and you said to take it to call out. I did. You avoided using it as a means to address things and chose instead to lie, project, obfuscate, misrepresent, deflect and escalate things.
Surprisingly this did not resolve anything.
You then on two occasions used mod tools on me though I had not infringe on forum rules, During this time you had also reject one truce and accepted and then broke another. Eventually Pyraxis was modded and you made and broke yet another truce.
Why on Earth would I need an "end game" and why the fuck would I simply accept you should be a cunt and I should accept it without any rebuke?
The one in this situation who has a mentality of a spoiled and entitled child unable to accept what they have done and stop themselves from doing the wrong thing again is you.
Either you need to make the decision whether what you did and are doing is the wrong thing and needs to be properly addressed and accounted for or you need to accept that all such behaviours are perfectly okay EVEN IF they are directed at you. You do not get to denounce it only when it is directed at you and have no responsibility for what you do and say in past future or present.
Myself, Scrap and Cal do not need to have an "end game". We are reacting to you and not out of a vacuum.
Only a child would fail to grasp this.
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Wondering what Cal et al see as their end game. Their arguments are as ridiculous as ever and replying to them in kind is not much of an effort. I can do this forever, but nothing is likely to change and honestly, there's no point anyway. I'm not going to change my views - I see evidence that I'm right every day - and I'm guessing they won't either.
So... :popcorn: :yawn:
Oh, at this point there is no end game.
I've decided that I'll just play the game the way you do - by calling you a FUCKING BABY
all the time. Because it seems to get through where logic and ethics don't.
It won't change anything. But at least you know you're forever a FUCKING BABY
In other words, if you can't get your way you'll just continue behaving like the WANKER you are. Gotcha.
Yes. I'll keep pointing out that your'e a FUCKING BABY.
Until maybe, just maybe, you grow up.
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Only a child would fail to grasp this.
No. Children are smarter than this.
Only a FUCKING BABY would be able to hide from themselves so completely.
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The stats show there was a new member joined yesterday, but there's no new member. What happened there?
I just checked. The IP has been reported as spam 1996 times and originates from somewhere in the Ukraine.
The standard process at the moment (not that I agree with it necessarily) is to withhold registration confirmation until the IP can be checked, which usually ends up taking a day or two until an admin gets to it. Unfortunately most of the ones we get at the moment are spambots.
Thanks. Odeon previously said it might be bots that register but fail the captcha. That didn't make sense because it seems failing the captcha wouldn't generate a successful registration. Did this spambot pass or fail the captcha?
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There are now three new members for this year. Are these bots passing the captcha, or somehow managing to successfully register while failing it?
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They seem to pass the captcha but we still need to approve them.
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AI is better at captchas than I am.