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Arena for the Competitive => Main Event Callouts => Topic started by: Scrapheap on June 09, 2007, 11:41:43 PM
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Well, well, well. You sure seem like a feisty one. :eyelash:
I have no idea what to argue about, I just want a nasty fight so we can have hot, passionate make-up sex afterwards. ::)
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Better watch out scrappy,
given her tastes, you might
not be still there to enjoy the
make up sex.
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Well, well, well. You sure seem like a feisty one. :eyelash:
I have no idea what to argue about, I just want a nasty fight so we can have hot, passionate make-up sex afterwards. ::)
yes, child - what is it? ::)
should i get the talons out, or will you run off screaming for your mummy?
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I've never seen Talons used in foreplay before, but if you can make them hurt so good, I promise I won't run.
I'd suggest fighting over gun control, but that dead horse has already been beaten. :deadhorse: How do you feel about giving Northern Ireland back to the Irish??
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who the fuck are you?
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I'm the Gunnery Sergeant Drill Instructor of the Aspie Elite... can't you read??
Who the hell do you think YOU are??
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I'm the Gunnery Sergeant Drill Instructor of the Aspie Elite... can't you read??
no. i'm working out what people are saying in their posts by absorbing the emanations of their words through the ether.
so, you're scrapheap under a new guise, are you? why newport?
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oh, and incidentally - if you're nice looking, not too old or young, vaguely hygenic, then why the fuck do you want the row first? as in:
I just want a nasty fight so we can have hot, passionate make-up sex afterwards. ::)
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no. i'm working out what people are saying in their posts by absorbing the emanations of their words through the ether.
What does starting fluid have to do with what people say?? Ether (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ether)
so, you're scrapheap under a new guise, are you? why newport?
I live just up the 55 Freeway from Newport Beach. Everybody was changing their screen names to Portsomething, so I was just playing along.
Enough about me, who the hell are you and what makes you think you're special??
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no. i'm working out what people are saying in their posts by absorbing the emanations of their words through the ether.
What does starting fluid have to do with what people say?? Ether (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ether)
nothing. try this (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aether) one. i do apologise for the american spelling.
so, you're scrapheap under a new guise, are you? why newport?
I live just up the 55 Freeway from Newport Beach. Everybody was changing their screen names to Portsomething, so I was just playing along.
ah, i see. i live not very far from newport in wales, you see - i was curious.
Enough about me, who the hell are you and what makes you think you're special??
oh, i couldn't possibly be so arrogant as to concur with the last part of your question. perhaps you should ask someone else? after all, modesty forbids...
as for the first part... why, i'm Lucifer. (http://www.photo-inside.com/image/1518)
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oh, and incidentally - if you're nice looking, not too old or young, vaguely hygenic, then why the fuck do you want the row first? as in:
I just want a nasty fight so we can have hot, passionate make-up sex afterwards. ::)
Because make-up sex is always the best. People always put passion into it. I just don't want a dead fuck, that's all.
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nothing. try this (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aether) one. i do apologise for the american spelling.
You British are always so blody pompous with your "Superior" spelling of words and what not.
ah, i see. i live not very far from newport in wales, you see - i was curious.
I thought you were English?? are you Welch?? Do you have blood relatives with 4 legs??
Our Newport is better than yours. :P We even had a TV show about it called "The OC"
oh, i couldn't possibly be so arrogant as to concur with the last part of your question. perhaps you should ask someone else? after all, modesty forbids...
Your false modesty trickery has no efect on me!! Do your worst!!!
as for the first part... why, i'm Stupider.
Fixed. ;D
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nothing. try this (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aether) one. i do apologise for the american spelling.
You British are always so blody pompous with your "Superior" spelling of words and what not.
not at all. we just speak english, and you speak american, and the same with spellings. however, i rather think that "bloody" is spelled the same way in both languages, don't you?
ah, i see. i live not very far from newport in wales, you see - i was curious.
I thought you were English?? are you Welch?? Do you have blood relatives with 4 legs??
nope, not english. i'm a Celt - part irish, part welsh (note spelling), with bits of romany (gypsy) and probably scots in there as well. and i was refraining from mentioning sheep in case you started fantasising, and your intellectual capabilities moved into your knob. i wouldn't want an unfair advantage, after all.
Our Newport is better than yours. :P We even had a TV show about it called "The OC"
that's nice, dear.
oh, i couldn't possibly be so arrogant as to concur with the last part of your question. perhaps you should ask someone else? after all, modesty forbids...
Your false modesty trickery has no efect on me!! Do your worst!!!
what's an "efect"? as for doing my worst, why would i want to?
as for the first part... why, i'm Stupider.
Fixed. ;D
you obviously needed to score that point far more than i , so please, have it, with my blessings. as long as it makes you feel all warm and superior and butch. after all, something has to.
next?
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I'm short on time at the moment..... I'll get back to this when I'm able.
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*raises eyebrow*
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nope, not english. i'm a Celt - part irish, part welsh (note spelling)
After reading a fair amount of Cymraeg, I was under the impression that Welsh didn't give a damn about spelling. ::) :laugh:
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that's cos you don't understand the welsh language and alphabet. welsh - like turkish and italian, for example - is a phonetic language, unlike english (and, to a certain extent, american) - every letter is pronounced. which means i can read out any amount of welsh and sound as though i know exactly what i'm talking about (i don't, as i only speak a tiny smattering of welsh).
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that's cos you don't understand the welsh language and alphabet. welsh - like turkish and italian, for example - is a phonetic language, unlike english (and, to a certain extent, american) - every letter is pronounced. which means i can read out any amount of welsh and sound as though i know exactly what i'm talking about (i don't, as i only speak a tiny smattering of welsh).
Your witch precursors from Wales must be hanging their heads in shame from the afterlife. That is, if you have a history of witchcraft in your family tree.
And Bristol used to be Welsh territory before the Saxons and Normans settled here, I think. Don't know the history too well, though.
Oh well, there's always the local library.
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that's cos you don't understand the welsh language and alphabet. welsh - like turkish and italian, for example - is a phonetic language, unlike english (and, to a certain extent, american) - every letter is pronounced. which means i can read out any amount of welsh and sound as though i know exactly what i'm talking about (i don't, as i only speak a tiny smattering of welsh).
Your witch precursors from Wales must be hanging their heads in shame from the afterlife. That is, if you have a history of witchcraft in your family tree.
And Bristol used to be Welsh territory before the Saxons and Normans settled here, I think. Don't know the history too well, though.
Oh well, there's always the local library.
or the internet.
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that's cos you don't understand the welsh language and alphabet. welsh - like turkish and italian, for example - is a phonetic language, unlike english (and, to a certain extent, american) - every letter is pronounced. which means i can read out any amount of welsh and sound as though i know exactly what i'm talking about (i don't, as i only speak a tiny smattering of welsh).
Your witch precursors from Wales must be hanging their heads in shame from the afterlife. That is, if you have a history of witchcraft in your family tree.
And Bristol used to be Welsh territory before the Saxons and Normans settled here, I think. Don't know the history too well, though.
Oh well, there's always the local library.
or the internet.
Yeah, but I need to get out more, to meet the sexy ladies as it were.
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that's cos you don't understand the welsh language and alphabet. welsh - like turkish and italian, for example - is a phonetic language, unlike english (and, to a certain extent, american) - every letter is pronounced. which means i can read out any amount of welsh and sound as though i know exactly what i'm talking about (i don't, as i only speak a tiny smattering of welsh).
Your witch precursors from Wales must be hanging their heads in shame from the afterlife. That is, if you have a history of witchcraft in your family tree.
And Bristol used to be Welsh territory before the Saxons and Normans settled here, I think. Don't know the history too well, though.
Oh well, there's always the local library.
or the internet.
Yeah, but I need to get out more, to meet the sexy ladies as it were.
Some librarians are fucking HOT!! The main library in Anaheim has a brunette librarian who's damn near a perfect 10. ....... she's maried of course. :tantrum:
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that's cos you don't understand the welsh language and alphabet. welsh - like turkish and italian, for example - is a phonetic language, unlike english (and, to a certain extent, american) - every letter is pronounced. which means i can read out any amount of welsh and sound as though i know exactly what i'm talking about (i don't, as i only speak a tiny smattering of welsh).
OOOOOOOHHH, COME ON VIVI!!!!!!! THAT WAS FUNNY!!! :smarty: :smarty: :smarty: :razz: :smarty: :smarty: :smarty:
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lol.
:asthing:
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Are you, in reality, a big, fat, ugly cow that lives in a trailer park in rural Texas??
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only in your dreams, darl'.
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that's cos you don't understand the welsh language and alphabet. welsh - like turkish and italian, for example - is a phonetic language, unlike english (and, to a certain extent, american) - every letter is pronounced.
I think that French is the absolute worst for being a language that if read phonetically, does not make any sense.
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scots gaelic is worse. can't seem to get my head round that at all, and i'm pretty okay with irish.
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only in your dreams, darl'.
That would be a nightmaare there daarlin' :P
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really? and i thought that would be your ideal guurrrrrrl.
just goes to show, doesn't it?
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really? and i thought that would be your ideal guurrrrrrl.
just goes to show, doesn't it?
That you know nothing. yes it does. ;D
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yep. absolutely fuck all.
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Does that mean I win ??
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oh, sorry - is this supposed to be some sort of contest?
wish you'd have said - i would've made an effort.
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oh, sorry - is this supposed to be some sort of contest?
wish you'd have said - i would've made an effort.
That's why it's called a "call out" you rocket scientist!!
Don't you think that the "I'm too damn cool to be arsed" routine is a bit stale??
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ah yes. whilst i understand the basic premise of the "call out" and "main event" forums here, i rather meant that - in this particular instance - there seemed to be rather a lack of even handedness, which would preclude a real "contest", in any real sense of the term. that is what i meant by my comment.
Don't you think that the "I'm too damn cool to be arsed" routine is a bit stale??
now, this is where you - and several others on this site, apparently - get me all wrong. you see, i'm not cool: i doubt i ever have been, and it's not something i particularly aspire to - highly overrated, if you ask me.
so it's not a "routine", it's not for effect, and i don't switch it on and off. i truly, genuinely cannot be arsed.
you obviously impressed cal with that comment, though, so well done.
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*massages that little spot between her wings where the muscles get all tight, TSSSsssss, enjoys the burn*
Nah, cool you ain't.
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*massages that little spot between her wings where the muscles get all tight, TSSSsssss, enjoys the burn*
Nah, cool you ain't.
lol. :-*
need some salve for those fingers, hon? :eyelash:
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Still enjoying the burn.
No salve. Are you afraid they're a little rough?
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nooooooo, not at all. just don't want you to be out of action for any reason. :eyebrows:
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*massages that little spot between her wings where the muscles get all tight, TSSSsssss, enjoys the burn*
Nah, cool you ain't.
lol. :-*
need some salve for those fingers, hon? :eyelash:
I wouldn't declare victory too quick....
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ah yes. whilst i understand the basic premise of the "call out" and "main event" forums here, i rather meant that - in this particular instance - there seemed to be rather a lack of even handedness, which would preclude a real "contest", in any real sense of the term. that is what i meant by my comment.
Don't you think that the "I'm too damn cool to be arsed" routine is a bit stale??
now, this is where you - and several others on this site, apparently - get me all wrong. you see, i'm not cool: i doubt i ever have been, and it's not something i particularly aspire to - highly overrated, if you ask me.
so it's not a "routine", it's not for effect, and i don't switch it on and off. i truly, genuinely cannot be arsed.
you obviously impressed cal with that comment, though, so well done.
One only needs to reverse these two paragraphs to see that you're just talking out of both sides of your mouth. I've seen this behavior before..... it's nothing new. :yawn:
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now, this is where you - and several others on this site, apparently - get me all wrong. you see, i'm not cool: i doubt i ever have been, and it's not something i particularly aspire to - highly overrated, if you ask me.
You seem to be lost in semantics here. You obviously view yourself as being superior to almost everyone.
so it's not a "routine", it's not for effect, and i don't switch it on and off. i truly, genuinely cannot be arsed.
This says something worse than if it was a routine.
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*massages that little spot between her wings where the muscles get all tight, TSSSsssss, enjoys the burn*
Nah, cool you ain't.
lol. :-*
need some salve for those fingers, hon? :eyelash:
I wouldn't declare victory too quick....
huh? ???
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ah yes. whilst i understand the basic premise of the "call out" and "main event" forums here, i rather meant that - in this particular instance - there seemed to be rather a lack of even handedness, which would preclude a real "contest", in any real sense of the term. that is what i meant by my comment.
Don't you think that the "I'm too damn cool to be arsed" routine is a bit stale??
now, this is where you - and several others on this site, apparently - get me all wrong. you see, i'm not cool: i doubt i ever have been, and it's not something i particularly aspire to - highly overrated, if you ask me.
so it's not a "routine", it's not for effect, and i don't switch it on and off. i truly, genuinely cannot be arsed.
you obviously impressed cal with that comment, though, so well done.
One only needs to reverse these two paragraphs to see that you're just talking out of both sides of your mouth. I've seen this behavior before..... it's nothing new. :yawn:
i have no idea what that phrase means.
as for the last bit, i don't believe i've ever claimed to be original.
scrap, you called me out, i'm merely responding to you. seems as though you're just prevaricating, and changing the goalposts every time you post. what exactly is it you want to call me out on?
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now, this is where you - and several others on this site, apparently - get me all wrong. you see, i'm not cool: i doubt i ever have been, and it's not something i particularly aspire to - highly overrated, if you ask me.
You seem to be lost in semantics here.
i'm not lost at all, as i know precisely what i mean. if you want me to explain it, just ask.
You obviously view yourself as being superior to almost everyone.
do i? have you ever come across "status games", either in drama or psychology? what they're about, mainly, is that people can accord themselves neither high nor low status, but are given status from those around them. look it up - it's fascinating. if you see me as superior, that's down to you, not me.
and why "obviously"? justify yourself.
so it's not a "routine", it's not for effect, and i don't switch it on and off. i truly, genuinely cannot be arsed.
This says something worse than if it was a routine.
what does it say? come on, scrap - this is intensity. back up your words, or shut the fuck up.
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what does it say? come on, scrap - this is intensity. back up your words, or shut the fuck up.
Smoking Gun (http://www.studiopyraxis.com/temp/evidence/chat_03-25-06b.html)
You're an actress, an NPD. I had doubts that ASD and NPD could be co-morbid, but I've seen enough now to convince me otherwise.
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:LMAO:
brilliant! this is so funny, on several levels. first, the three day rule applies anyway, so the thread was dead. secondly, it's obvious you had nothing to say before other people posted stuff, so it's obvious you had no real reason for calling me out, other than because you've got it in for me - just because i said i wouldn't have make-up P.I. with you, scrap? grow up. and jumping on a badnwagon is dull and shows a lack of intelligence, if you ask me - think for yourself. and thirdly, you questioned my diagnosis , and so killed the thread.
marvellous.
you think whatever you want to, hon. enjoy yourself.
bye!
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what does it say? come on, scrap - this is intensity. back up your words, or shut the fuck up.
Smoking Gun (http://www.studiopyraxis.com/temp/evidence/chat_03-25-06b.html)
You're an actress, an NPD. I had doubts that ASD and NPD could be co-morbid, but I've seen enough now to convince me otherwise.
i am trying to remain neutral on that other thread so i will post what i see here.
that is not a smoking gun.
it seemed to me that Lucifer was giving a good friend some help. we don't know about the conversations before that conversation, but it seems that neuroman was seeking advice. and Lucifer was only trying to be supportive, and at times give some TOUGH LOVE.
you talked about manipulation in that other thread, scrap, but i really saw nick being manipulative when he started dribbling all over the place. men know that women have motherly instincts...i think he was just trying to get her attention.
also, scrap, who isn't manipulative? people do what they need to do to meet their needs. we are all egoists. i fear the people the most who are unwilling to admit this. i think they are the most manipulative, mostly because they are willing to lie about their aims.
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what does it say? come on, scrap - this is intensity. back up your words, or shut the fuck up.
Smoking Gun (http://www.studiopyraxis.com/temp/evidence/chat_03-25-06b.html)
You're an actress, an NPD. I had doubts that ASD and NPD could be co-morbid, but I've seen enough now to convince me otherwise.
i am trying to remain neutral on that other thread so i will post what i see here.
that is not a smoking gun.
it seemed to me that Lucifer was giving a good friend some help. we don't know about the conversations before that conversation, but it seems that neuroman was seeking advice. and Lucifer was only trying to be supportive, and at times give some TOUGH LOVE.
you talked about manipulation in that other thread, scrap, but i really saw nick being manipulative when he started dribbling all over the place. men know that women have motherly instincts...i think he was just trying to get her attention.
also, scrap, who isn't manipulative? people do what they need to do to meet their needs. we are all egoists. i fear the people the most who are unwilling to admit this. i think they are the most manipulative, mostly because they are willing to lie about their aims.
Its a smoking gun if Lucifer stepped forth now and denied being manipulative. But she hasnt, not that I am aware. Anyway, who said being manipulative is a bad thing.
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we are all manipulative on some level.
i don't think that it is a life changing thing if someone is using their manipulation skills to sieze power on an internet forum. i mean, that is what the whole thing is about, right?
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we are all manipulative on some level.
i don't think that it is a life changing thing if someone is using their manipulation skills to sieze power on an internet forum. i mean, that is what the whole thing is about, right?
I don't like people here for the sake of gaining power over this message board, you silly sausage.
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we are all manipulative on some level.
i don't think that it is a life changing thing if someone is using their manipulation skills to sieze power on an internet forum. i mean, that is what the whole thing is about, right?
I don't like people here for the sake of gaining power over this message board, you silly sausage.
that sounded just sooooo :ghey:
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first, the three day rule applies anyway, so the thread was dead.
There's no such thing as a 3 day rule.
secondly, it's obvious you had nothing to say before other people posted stuff, so it's obvious you had no real reason for calling me out, other than because you've got it in for me - just because i said i wouldn't have make-up P.I. with you, scrap?
I started this call-out as a joke, but started to notice NPD behaviors in you.
and jumping on a badnwagon is dull and shows a lack of intelligence, if you ask me -
I didn't ask you and I'm not jumping on a bandwagon. Pryaxis and I just noticed the same thing without discussing it.
and thirdly, you questioned my diagnosis , and so killed the thread.
I never questioned your diagnosis. I had just never seen before, such a clear case of ASD and NPD co-morbidity.
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it seemed to me that Lucifer was giving a good friend some help. we don't know about the conversations before that conversation, but it seems that neuroman was seeking advice. and Lucifer was only trying to be supportive, and at times give some TOUGH LOVE.
I don't see how admiting to playing mind games with people equals support and tough love.
you talked about manipulation in that other thread, scrap, but i really saw nick being manipulative when he started dribbling all over the place. men know that women have motherly instincts...i think he was just trying to get her attention.
Lucifer mor or less denied having motherly instincts, and instead, admited it was all part of an act to get what she wants.
also, scrap, who isn't manipulative? people do what they need to do to meet their needs. we are all egoists. i fear the people the most who are unwilling to admit this. i think they are the most manipulative, mostly because they are willing to lie about their aims.
Do you feel that Callaway is manipulative?? I've made a similar point you're making here about her. She wears a girlscout image that I think hides part of her true person. For the most part, she's a good person, but she hides the bad parts of herself from public view.
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i'm with Lucifer.
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i'm with Lucifer.
a well articulated argument. ::)
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first, the three day rule applies anyway, so the thread was dead.
There's no such thing as a 3 day rule.
secondly, it's obvious you had nothing to say before other people posted stuff, so it's obvious you had no real reason for calling me out, other than because you've got it in for me - just because i said i wouldn't have make-up P.I. with you, scrap?
I started this call-out as a joke, but started to notice NPD behaviors in you.
and jumping on a badnwagon is dull and shows a lack of intelligence, if you ask me -
I didn't ask you and I'm not jumping on a bandwagon. Pryaxis and I just noticed the same thing without discussing it.
and thirdly, you questioned my diagnosis , and so killed the thread.
I never questioned your diagnosis. I had just never seen before, such a clear case of ASD and NPD co-morbidity.
thank you, doctor.
anyway...
bollocks to all that piffle. you've got a cob on cos i said i wouldn't have make up sex with you, and you were pwned all over the place. so your ego took a slight bruising - get over it. you're 35, not 18, for fuck's sake - grow up.
i'll reply again when you show some sign of maturity, an original thought, or that you've got over your paranoid delusions and actually have some sort of argument.
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i'm with Lucifer.
Because...?
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This is crap.
No, seriously. This discussion is fucking crap. If Vivi was manipulative towards me, at least I'll be the one with the facts because I KNOW HER. Not people online with their preconceived notions.
Fuck me, Scrap, I know we had a couple of scraps (lol, pun) in the past, but that doesn't mean to say that I'm going to call you out over being manipulative as an admin 'cause I have better things to do than to second-guess anonymous assholes and their intentions.
Basically, I don't give a shit what you do, why do you with her? She's a teacher, she's earning honestly, she has helped people in the past, she made enemies with others. No different from any other person I know.
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thank you, doctor.
anyway...
bollocks to all that piffle.
A well articulated argument. ::)
you've got a cob on cos i said i wouldn't have make up sex with you, and you were pwned all over the place.
You need to update the prescription on your glasses. I said i started the thread as a joke. The pwning was in you mind and the minds of those you have influence over.
so your ego took a slight bruising - get over it. you're 35, not 18, for fuck's sake - grow up.
You lack the ability to bruise my ego. I'd tell you to grow up, but NPD is almost never curable.
i'll reply again when you show some sign of maturity, an original thought, or that you've got over your paranoid delusions and actually have some sort of argument.
Posting in the mirror.
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i'm with Lucifer.
Because...?
i know Lucifer. she's a genuine wonderful person. and that's that.
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i'm with Lucifer.
a well articulated argument. ::)
thanks. :green:
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i'm with Lucifer.
Because...?
i know Lucifer. she's a genuine wonderful person. and that's that.
Maybe you should step out of this one then. I am sure Lucifer can defend herself, and taking sides on something that you are obviously biased on seems a little fruitless to me.
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i'm speaking for myself. i'm speaking for my friend. Lucifer can speak for herself but i can speak for me and what i think is Lucifer is being unfairly attacked. and i will speak my mind. are you going to stop me little pipsqueak?
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i'm speaking for myself. i'm speaking for my friend. Lucifer can speak for herself but i can speak for me and what i think is Lucifer is being unfairly attacked. and i will speak my mind. are you going to stop me little pipsqueak?
:lol: :plus:
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:laugh:
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:laugh:
You're the cutest. :-*
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i'm speaking for myself. i'm speaking for my friend. Lucifer can speak for herself but i can speak for me and what i think is Lucifer is being unfairly attacked. and i will speak my mind. are you going to stop me little pipsqueak?
No. But I would say what you are saying is meaningless due to your biases, and Scrap has made some fair points. (waits for bucketload of negative karma)
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:laugh:
You're the cutest. :-*
no you are, :laugh:
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i'm speaking for myself. i'm speaking for my friend. Lucifer can speak for herself but i can speak for me and what i think is Lucifer is being unfairly attacked. and i will speak my mind. are you going to stop me little pipsqueak?
No. But I would say what you are saying is meaningless due to your biases, and Scrap has made some fair points. (waits for bucketload of negative karma)
how am i biased?
i know Lucifer. i am objective. i know she's a wonderful person. therefore i know what is being said about her is bullwank.
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i'm speaking for myself. i'm speaking for my friend. Lucifer can speak for herself but i can speak for me and what i think is Lucifer is being unfairly attacked. and i will speak my mind. are you going to stop me little pipsqueak?
No. But I would say what you are saying is meaningless due to your biases, and Scrap has made some fair points. (waits for bucketload of negative karma)
how am i biased?
i know Lucifer. i am objective. i know she's a wonderful person. therefore i know what is being said about her is bullwank.
Oh some of the stuff is bullwank. But some of the stuff in those chat logs smells a little rotten too, and the last scenario I heard similar sort of stuff that I know of wasnt pleasent. Lucifer isnt perfect, you know, but neither is Scrap. The difference is that people seem to unswervingly stand up and defend her, where as they dont with Scrap.
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i have seen no proof of Lucifer doing anything wrong. publishing private records is not acceptable.
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i have seen no proof of Lucifer doing anything wrong. publishing private records is not acceptable.
The logs seem to show quite a lot. They certainly have some choice quotes. But it was a bit mean to publish them, even if they are a good set of evidence.
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i have seen no evidence whatsoever. chat logs can be fabricated.
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i have seen no evidence whatsoever. chat logs can be fabricated.
The style is too close for Pyraxis to fake them that well. And Lucifer hasnt denied them, in any case.
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i dunno if i want to read them. i don't feel it's my right if she didn't want them to be seen.
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i dunno if i want to read them. i don't feel it's my right if she didn't want them to be seen.
Its very difficult to comment on the whole thing if you havent read them, they make quite a key part of Pyraxis's arguement.
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i don't trust pyraxis. i don't know her.
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i don't trust pyraxis. i don't know her.
You dont know anyone. Everyone has something they hide, yes that includes myself. In most cases its a multitude of things.
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i dunno if i want to read them. i don't feel it's my right if she didn't want them to be seen.
It's a very accurate insite into Lucifer's true character. She's not what she appears to be. You only see an image of Lucifer that she wants you to see.
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i don't trust pyraxis. i don't know her.
You dont know anyone. Everyone has something they hide, yes that includes myself. In most cases its a multitude of things.
you don't know who the fuck i know. i know people and you don't know me.
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i dunno if i want to read them. i don't feel it's my right if she didn't want them to be seen.
It's a very accurate insite into Lucifer's true character. She's not what she appears to be. You only see an image of Lucifer that she wants you to see.
i've seen Lucifer be kind and sweet and i have seen you be an idiot so who do i trust on this issue? ::)
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i dunno if i want to read them. i don't feel it's my right if she didn't want them to be seen.
It's a very accurate insite into Lucifer's true character. She's not what she appears to be. You only see an image of Lucifer that she wants you to see.
i've seen Lucifer be kind and sweet and i have seen you be an peaguy so who do i trust on this issue? ::)
you see wwhat she wants you to see and I don't hide my true self. Have you ever dealt with an NPD before??
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what's that?
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i don't trust pyraxis. i don't know her.
You dont know anyone. Everyone has something they hide, yes that includes myself. In most cases its a multitude of things.
you don't know who the fuck i know. i know people and you don't know me.
Meeting people in person does not constitute knowing them. And I am bored at this attempt of arguement from authority on this issue. Of course I dont know you, but by the same token you dont know me or what I may know.
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what's that?
Narcissitic Personality Disorder. She admits to the symtoms in that conversation.
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what's that?
Narcissitic Personality Disorder. She admits to the symtoms in that conversation.
Last time I had to deal with a NPD gone nasty, it wasnt pleasent.
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what's that?
Narcissitic Personality Disorder. She admits to the symtoms in that conversation.
She has the opinions of three professionals in the field that all say that she doesn't have it. You playing Eamonn now?
All in all, this is good news since according to Dunc's Law, this thread is now over.
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first, the three day rule applies anyway, so the thread was dead.
Oh, bull. This was some bit of silliness made up
by McJ. Clearly, I can see events which would allow
debates to continue sporadically.
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She has the opinions of three professionals in the field that all say that she doesn't have it.
Huh. Interesting. So there was that big a question about it.
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i don't trust pyraxis. i don't know her.
You dont know anyone. Everyone has something they hide, yes that includes myself. In most cases its a multitude of things.
you don't know who the fuck i know. i know people and you don't know me.
Meeting people in person does not constitute knowing them. And I am bored at this attempt of arguement from authority on this issue. Of course I dont know you, but by the same token you dont know me or what I may know.
who said i met her you assumptious fuckhead?
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what's that?
Narcissitic Personality Disorder. She admits to the symtoms in that conversation.
i have seen no proof it is actually her words. anyone can quote people and put whatever they want into the quote bubbles.
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i don't trust pyraxis. i don't know her.
You dont know anyone. Everyone has something they hide, yes that includes myself. In most cases its a multitude of things.
you don't know who the fuck i know. i know people and you don't know me.
Meeting people in person does not constitute knowing them. And I am bored at this attempt of arguement from authority on this issue. Of course I dont know you, but by the same token you dont know me or what I may know.
who said i met her you assumptious fuckhead?
Simple you claimed to know her. I have talked to her online, so you would have had to go one step up to start the arguement from authority lark.
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actually that's not true. i just have to be a better judge of character than your ass.
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actually that's not true. i just have to be a better judge of character than your ass.
I doubt it. I normally tend to be right on this one. If you read some of the stuff in those conversations, then you would get my side on this matter. The last person I heard stuff like that from was a total psychopath. Now I am not suggesting that Lucifer is one, but the stuff said there concerns me.
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again, i have no seen no proof it's Lucifer talking so why would i want to read it? eejit.
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again, i have no seen no proof it's Lucifer talking so why would i want to read it? eejit.
The proof is in the conversation style, as I said. If Pyraxis could fake that, Lucifer would have lost the callout already.
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i dunno if i want to read them. i don't feel it's my right if she didn't want them to be seen.
It's a very accurate insite into Lucifer's true character. She's not what she appears to be. You only see an image of Lucifer that she wants you to see.
i've seen Lucifer be kind and sweet and i have seen you be an peaguy so who do i trust on this issue? ::)
you see wwhat she wants you to see and I don't hide my true self. Have you ever dealt with an NPD before??
Not now you've been elected anyway.
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She has the opinions of three professionals in the field that all say that she doesn't have it.
Huh. Interesting. So there was that big a question about it.
Nothing that dramatic. Before she knew she had AS, she considered NPD and asked the opinions of two friends, as well as her therapist. All three said no, right away.
Btw, I asked for her permission before I told you this. You should try it, too.
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She has the opinions of three professionals in the field that all say that she doesn't have it.
Huh. Interesting. So there was that big a question about it.
Nothing that dramatic. Before she knew she had AS, she considered NPD and asked the opinions of two friends, as well as her therapist. All three said no, right away.
Btw, I asked for her permission before I told you this. You should try it, too.
Do these friends of hers happen to be psychology experts?
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Yes.
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i dunno if i want to read them. i don't feel it's my right if she didn't want them to be seen.
It's a very accurate insite into Lucifer's true character. She's not what she appears to be. You only see an image of Lucifer that she wants you to see.
i've seen Lucifer be kind and sweet and i have seen you be an peaguy so who do i trust on this issue? ::)
you see wwhat she wants you to see and I don't hide my true self. Have you ever dealt with an NPD before??
Not now you've been elected anyway.
I see nothing different from how
he's always been.
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Yes.
Fair enough. She probably doesnt have it then.
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I don't think that a NPD person would have that degree of insight into themselves that Lucifer shows.
I see Scrapheap as much more of a Narcissist Personality Disorder person than Lucifer. I don't believe that she is one at all.
I read all the chatlog that Scrapheap says is some sort of smoking gun.
She said: vetivert says: what she gets wrong is to confuse "understanding" with "tolerant", "merciful", "sympathetic", "altruistic" and "kind hearted"
vetivert says: i am none of those
She has never made a secret of any of this, as far as I know. She can be kind to people sometimes, but she says that this does not make her a kind person.
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I don't think that a NPD person would have that degree of insight into themselves that Lucifer shows.
I see Scrapheap as much more of a Narcissist Personality Disorder person than Lucifer. I don't believe that she is one at all.
I read all the chatlog that Scrapheap says is some sort of smoking gun.
She said: vetivert says: what she gets wrong is to confuse "understanding" with "tolerant", "merciful", "sympathetic", "altruistic" and "kind hearted"
vetivert says: i am none of those
She has never made a secret of any of this, as far as I know. She can be kind to people sometimes, but she says that this does not make her a kind person.
Its the bit about getting into peoples heads that troubles me more.
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I don't think that a NPD person would have that degree of insight into themselves that Lucifer shows.
I couldn't say if she fits the official criteria since I'm not a psychologist, but I do know that the DSM-IV criteria (http://www.mental-health-today.com/narcissistic/dsm.htm) don't say anything about insight into oneself.
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shouldn't you be attacking her in your own
hate callout thread? or is it "anything goes" now?
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shouldn't you be attacking her in your own hate callout thread? or is it "anything goes" now?
Lucifer doesnt seem to stick to the same bounds, even if she doesnt always do it in person. Why does Lucifer need to be covered by her fan club in this?
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shouldn't you be attacking her in your own hate callout thread? or is it "anything goes" now?
Lucifer doesnt seem to stick to the same bounds, even if she doesnt always do it in person. Why does Lucifer need to be covered by her fan club in this?
We're called friends asshole. Maybe if you didn't have such a large stick up your ass all the time you'd know something about that.
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shouldn't you be attacking her in your own hate callout thread? or is it "anything goes" now?
Lucifer doesnt seem to stick to the same bounds, even if she doesnt always do it in person. Why does Lucifer need to be covered by her fan club in this?
There's a big difference. Lucifer would probably have preferred to stay out of the whole thing.
Why do you care, now? She pwned you again?
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shouldn't you be attacking her in your own hate callout thread? or is it "anything goes" now?
Lucifer doesnt seem to stick to the same bounds, even if she doesnt always do it in person. Why does Lucifer need to be covered by her fan club in this?
We're called friends asshole. Maybe if you didn't have such a large stick up your ass all the time you'd know something about that.
I think I know about friends thank you very much. If you respected her so much, why dont you allow her to fight her own corner. Or is she not as good as she likes to project herself?
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remind me to stay away from you then. either you don't have any friends or you're quickly losing the last ones you have.
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I don't think that a NPD person would have that degree of insight into themselves that Lucifer shows.
I don't know. I strongly suspect it of myself.
My self-dx puts me almost as NPD as aspie.
She said: vetivert says: what she gets wrong is to confuse "understanding" with "tolerant", "merciful", "sympathetic", "altruistic" and "kind hearted"
vetivert says: i am none of those
She has never made a secret of any of this, as far as I know. She can be kind to people sometimes, but she says that this does not make her a kind person.
Again, I'd rather suspect that she takes PRIDE in those qualities,
and doesn't see it as a flaw to lack them. Maybe I'm reading
NPD incorrectly, but do Danlo or Eamonn strike you as people
who would claim these traits?
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shouldn't you be attacking her in your own hate callout thread? or is it "anything goes" now?
No rules?
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shouldn't you be attacking her in your own hate callout thread? or is it "anything goes" now?
Lucifer doesnt seem to stick to the same bounds, even if she doesnt always do it in person. Why does Lucifer need to be covered by her fan club in this?
We're called friends asshole. Maybe if you didn't have such a large stick up your ass all the time you'd know something about that.
I think I know about friends thank you very much. If you respected her so much, why dont you allow her to fight her own corner. Or is she not as good as she likes to project herself?
She's more than able to fight her own battles, and she has many times. I don't see her here though, so maybe couldn't be bothered to engage in this pissing match.
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remind me to stay away from you then. either you don't have any friends or you're quickly losing the last ones you have.
Yawns, I have plenty of friends. As for some of the people on here, well I may have got off on the wrong foot.
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shouldn't you be attacking her in your own hate callout thread? or is it "anything goes" now?
No rules?
which is why i simply react.
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remind me to stay away from you then. either you don't have any friends or you're quickly losing the last ones you have.
Yawns, I have plenty of friends. As for some of the people on here, well I may have got off on the wrong foot.
Really?
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remind me to stay away from you then. either you don't have any friends or you're quickly losing the last ones you have.
Yawns, I have plenty of friends. As for some of the people on here, well I may have got off on the wrong foot.
Really?
Which sentence are you saying that to?
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remind me to stay away from you then. either you don't have any friends or you're quickly losing the last ones you have.
Yawns, I have plenty of friends. As for some of the people on here, well I may have got off on the wrong foot.
You may have gotten off on the wrong foot with some people, but your continued behavior has bothered quite a few more people since.
Karma free now I see, how come?
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remind me to stay away from you then. either you don't have any friends or you're quickly losing the last ones you have.
Yawns, I have plenty of friends. As for some of the people on here, well I may have got off on the wrong foot.
Really?
Which sentence are you saying that to?
it fits on both but i meant the last one.
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remind me to stay away from you then. either you don't have any friends or you're quickly losing the last ones you have.
Yawns, I have plenty of friends. As for some of the people on here, well I may have got off on the wrong foot.
You may have gotten off on the wrong foot with some people, but your continued behavior has bothered quite a few more people since.
Karma free now I see, how come?
I liked the colour green basically for my name, if the colours get switched over I will go back to Karma. As for my behaviour, you mean my drunken posting?
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remind me to stay away from you then. either you don't have any friends or you're quickly losing the last ones you have.
Yawns, I have plenty of friends. As for some of the people on here, well I may have got off on the wrong foot.
Really?
Which sentence are you saying that to?
it fits on both but i meant the last one.
First one, totally correct, perhaps more true in real life than on here.
Second one, a bit of understatement.
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remind me to stay away from you then. either you don't have any friends or you're quickly losing the last ones you have.
Yawns, I have plenty of friends. As for some of the people on here, well I may have got off on the wrong foot.
Really?
Which sentence are you saying that to?
it fits on both but i meant the last one.
First one, totally correct, perhaps more true in real life than on here.
Second one, a bit of understatement.
Have you heard of the word SARCASM?
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remind me to stay away from you then. either you don't have any friends or you're quickly losing the last ones you have.
Yawns, I have plenty of friends. As for some of the people on here, well I may have got off on the wrong foot.
You may have gotten off on the wrong foot with some people, but your continued behavior has bothered quite a few more people since.
Karma free now I see, how come?
I liked the colour green basically for my name, if the colours get switched over I will go back to Karma. As for my behaviour, you mean my drunken posting?
Green is nice isn't it? I think it's my favorite, it must yours as well to go to such lengths.
Not just your drunken posting.
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remind me to stay away from you then. either you don't have any friends or you're quickly losing the last ones you have.
Yawns, I have plenty of friends. As for some of the people on here, well I may have got off on the wrong foot.
You may have gotten off on the wrong foot with some people, but your continued behavior has bothered quite a few more people since.
Karma free now I see, how come?
I liked the colour green basically for my name, if the colours get switched over I will go back to Karma. As for my behaviour, you mean my drunken posting?
Green is nice isn't it? I think it's my favorite, it must yours as well to go to such lengths.
Not just your drunken posting.
My manictical posting as well?
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remind me to stay away from you then. either you don't have any friends or you're quickly losing the last ones you have.
Yawns, I have plenty of friends. As for some of the people on here, well I may have got off on the wrong foot.
Really?
Which sentence are you saying that to?
it fits on both but i meant the last one.
First one, totally correct, perhaps more true in real life than on here.
Second one, a bit of understatement.
Have you heard of the word SARCASM?
he's probably seen it hundreds of times now but hasn't looked it up yet. :P
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remind me to stay away from you then. either you don't have any friends or you're quickly losing the last ones you have.
Yawns, I have plenty of friends. As for some of the people on here, well I may have got off on the wrong foot.
Really?
Which sentence are you saying that to?
it fits on both but i meant the last one.
First one, totally correct, perhaps more true in real life than on here.
Second one, a bit of understatement.
Have you heard of the word SARCASM?
he's probably seen it hundreds of times now but haven't looked it up yet. :P
:lol: Waiting for someone to tell him.
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remind me to stay away from you then. either you don't have any friends or you're quickly losing the last ones you have.
Yawns, I have plenty of friends. As for some of the people on here, well I may have got off on the wrong foot.
Really?
Which sentence are you saying that to?
it fits on both but i meant the last one.
First one, totally correct, perhaps more true in real life than on here.
Second one, a bit of understatement.
Have you heard of the word SARCASM?
he's probably seen it hundreds of times now but haven't looked it up yet. :P
Its difficult to tell on a message board.
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remind me to stay away from you then. either you don't have any friends or you're quickly losing the last ones you have.
Yawns, I have plenty of friends. As for some of the people on here, well I may have got off on the wrong foot.
You may have gotten off on the wrong foot with some people, but your continued behavior has bothered quite a few more people since.
Karma free now I see, how come?
I liked the colour green basically for my name, if the colours get switched over I will go back to Karma. As for my behaviour, you mean my drunken posting?
Green is nice isn't it? I think it's my favorite, it must yours as well to go to such lengths.
Not just your drunken posting.
My manictical posting as well?
I don't know what the word means, and I tried to look it up but google doesn't know either.
I would say most of your, if I may Pea, "I'm Hadron, and I'm better than you, and you, and you... " posts.
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remind me to stay away from you then. either you don't have any friends or you're quickly losing the last ones you have.
Yawns, I have plenty of friends. As for some of the people on here, well I may have got off on the wrong foot.
You may have gotten off on the wrong foot with some people, but your continued behavior has bothered quite a few more people since.
Karma free now I see, how come?
I liked the colour green basically for my name, if the colours get switched over I will go back to Karma. As for my behaviour, you mean my drunken posting?
Green is nice isn't it? I think it's my favorite, it must yours as well to go to such lengths.
Not just your drunken posting.
My manictical posting as well?
I don't know what the word means, and I tried to look it up but google doesn't know either.
I would say most of your, if I may Pea, "I'm Hardon, and I'm better than you, and you, and you... " posts.
I can never spell at this time.
As for the those posts, others on here make them. They just happen to be older than me.
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shouldn't you be attacking her in your own hate callout thread? or is it "anything goes" now?
No interest in fighting with you, Odeon, so you may want to spare your fingers the effort of the jibes.
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shouldn't you be attacking her in your own hate callout thread? or is it "anything goes" now?
No interest in fighting with you, Odeon, so you may want to spare your fingers the effort of the jibes.
would you like to fight with me?
would you like to show the chronological order of my inconsistency or my shifting in the wind?
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would you like to show the chronological order of my inconsistency or my shifting in passing of the wind?
fixed.
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would you like to show the chronological order of my inconsistency or my shifting in passing of the wind?
fixed.
most, or some of that is in your ask awya thread..... :laugh:
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shouldn't you be attacking her in your own hate callout thread? or is it "anything goes" now?
No interest in fighting with you, Odeon, so you may want to spare your fingers the effort of the jibes.
don't worry about my fingers. for your style of attack, i usually only need one.
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shouldn't you be attacking her in your own hate callout thread? or is it "anything goes" now?
No interest in fighting with you, Odeon, so you may want to spare your fingers the effort of the jibes.
don't worry about my fingers. for your style of attack, i usually only need one.
nice. :pwned: :plus:
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Seconded. It was a good retort.
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8) The whole history of Intensity, people stayed off my back, and now suddenly I'm worth pwning. My how things change.
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shouldn't you be attacking her in your own hate callout thread? or is it "anything goes" now?
No interest in fighting with you, Odeon, so you may want to spare your fingers the effort of the jibes.
don't worry about my fingers. for your style of attack, i usually only need one.
Tends to be all you ever use.
Too bad you can't come up
with anything more enlightening.
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8) The whole history of Intensity, people stayed off my back, and now suddenly I'm worth pwning. My how things change.
yes. and how you change.
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8) The whole history of Intensity, people stayed off my back, and now suddenly I'm worth pwning. My how things change.
let the stoning begin....i ilke pyraxis.
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8) The whole history of Intensity, people stayed off my back, and now suddenly I'm worth pwning. My how things change.
I only just met you, so I reserve any judgment for a later time.
I do object to portions of private chat logs being used as evidence in any way, without BOTH OR ALL parties being consulted first, though.
It seems more as if you are trying to impress Lucifer with your deduction, than to pwn her, honestly. I can't imagine impressing her much as even being possible and I only just met her, too.
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8) The whole history of Intensity, people stayed off my back, and now suddenly I'm worth pwning. My how things change.
I only just met you, so I reserve any judgment for a later time.
I do object to portions of private chat logs being used as evidence in any way, without BOTH OR ALL parties being consulted first, though.
It seems more as if you are trying to impress Lucifer with your deduction, than to pwn her, honestly. I can't imagine impressing her much as even being possible and I only just met her, too.
You've been here longer than I have,
yet you haven't formed an opinion of
either of them yet? :-\
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8) The whole history of Intensity, people stayed off my back, and now suddenly I'm worth pwning. My how things change.
yes. and how you change.
(I don't change anymore. I let the nurses do me.)
Odeon, is a Quaalude Rorer 714!
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quaalude??? what about quaaludes? :eyebrows:
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8) The whole history of Intensity, people stayed off my back, and now suddenly I'm worth pwning. My how things change.
I only just met you, so I reserve any judgment for a later time.
I do object to portions of private chat logs being used as evidence in any way, without BOTH OR ALL parties being consulted first, though.
It seems more as if you are trying to impress Lucifer with your deduction, than to pwn her, honestly. I can't imagine impressing her much as even being possible and I only just met her, too.
You've been here longer than I have,
yet you haven't formed an opinion of
either of them yet? :-\
What the fuck are you talking about?
A little two dimensional text is to represent a continuing fractal function?
???
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quaalude??? what about quaaludes? :eyebrows:
714
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i want that many quaaludes.
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8) The whole history of Intensity, people stayed off my back, and now suddenly I'm worth pwning. My how things change.
let the stoning begin....i ilke pyraxis.
I respect Pyraxis for trying to be an admin on WP, and trying to talk sense to Alex. Even after all the bannings and nastiness, knowing how long the odds were against her, she still tried.
I respect her for standing up for her friend.
Whether or not I believe Lucifer bullied Neuroman, Pyraxis believes it and is confronting her.
People could say if Neuroman believes Lucifer bullied him, then why is he not confronting her himself, but maybe he just can't for some reason.
I understand that it is a completely different situation, but that is what we tried to do for Hiro's victims. We tried to stand up for them even though they could not stand up for themselves and hoped that they could find a way.
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I do object to portions of private chat logs being used as evidence in any way, without BOTH OR ALL parties being consulted first, though.
I can actually understand that. I knew it was iffy when I started, and had the potential to cause harm to her. In cases where people are advised to break confidence, like confession of suicide plans, or child assault, of course the rationale is that more damage is caused by silence. (Incidentally, I won't break confidence over suicide, but that's a separate issue.) In this case, I saw first-hand the harm caused to Neuroman by silence, and had only guesses about what it might do to Lucifer to break privacy, so I decided it was a risk worth taking.
If I cared more about my online rep I probably would have hesitated, cause people now think I don't have integrity. But if I still cared about my online rep, I wouldn't have gone around talking about how manipulative I am either.
Convoluted, maybe, but it's what I thought.
It seems more as if you are trying to impress Lucifer with your deduction, than to pwn her, honestly. I can't imagine impressing her much as even being possible and I only just met her, too.
Interesting theory. Wrong, but interesting. I lost my respect for her a long time ago, so whether or not she's impressed doesn't matter. I did have a dozen interwoven motivations, though, more than it would be easy to explain here.
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shouldn't you be attacking her in your own hate callout thread? or is it "anything goes" now?
No rules?
which is why i simply react.
A good argument for rules.
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8) The whole history of Intensity, people stayed off my back, and now suddenly I'm worth pwning. My how things change.
Welcome to mob rule.
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DD: I have no idea of what you're talking about.
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DD: I have no idea of what you're talking about.
quaalude??? what about quaaludes? :eyebrows:
714
He's referring to your karma - the number refers to quaaludes, maybe they had 714 printed on them or summat.
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DD: I have no idea of what you're talking about.
quaalude??? what about quaaludes? :eyebrows:
714
He's referring to your karma - the number refers to quaaludes, maybe they had 714 printed on them or summat.
who's karma?
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Mine, i think. now that Dunc's clarified it, i understand what DD meant. ;D
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Mine, i think. now that Dunc's clarified it, i understand what DD meant. ;D
I see your back to the magic number. Dunc's got it.
Quaaludes were commonly available, in my youth, with the imprint, "Rorer 714." I searched for a pic to prove it, but they were all low res and worthless. Obviously, their popularity has decreased a bit. They used to be common, cost only a buck and were reported to give you a full-day sleep. Didn't work for me, though.
:-\
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8) The whole history of Intensity, people stayed off my back, and now suddenly I'm worth pwning. My how things change.
Bollocks- do you honestly believe that people haven't had a go at you in the past?
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The 'art criticism' slagging springs to mind.
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I respect Pyraxis for trying to be an admin on WP, and trying to talk sense to Alex. Even after all the bannings and nastiness, knowing how long the odds were against her, she still tried.
I respect her for standing up for her friend.
Whether or not I believe Lucifer bullied Neuroman, Pyraxis believes it and is confronting her.
People could say if Neuroman believes Lucifer bullied him, then why is he not confronting her himself, but maybe he just can't for some reason.
I understand that it is a completely different situation, but that is what we tried to do for Hiro's victims. We tried to stand up for them even though they could not stand up for themselves and hoped that they could find a way.
:agreed:
I might add that it really takes guts to make a stand against a popular person , in support of an unpopular person. Sadly, that turns out to be every bit as true for an Aspie board as it is for any NT playground..
More kudos to Pyraxis, in my book.
Btw, does this mean that I've talked you into joining our conspiracy, at last? :evillaugh: I must ask Pyraxis the Chief to send you the secret code word . Oh, yeah, and decoder ring, of course. :laugh:
~Walkie
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8) The whole history of Intensity, people stayed off my back, and now suddenly I'm worth pwning. My how things change.
Bollocks- do you honestly believe that people haven't had a go at you in the past?
True, there was the art thing. But I don't remember anyone having a go at me outside that thread, so I didn't think it had much impact.
I think I've sealed my fate with you two now though. We're on totally different wavelengths.
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Mine, i think. now that Dunc's clarified it, i understand what DD meant. ;D
I see your back to the magic number. Dunc's got it.
Quaaludes were commonly available, in my youth, with the imprint, "Rorer 714." I searched for a pic to prove it, but they were all low res and worthless. Obviously, their popularity has decreased a bit. They used to be common, cost only a buck and were reported to give you a full-day sleep. Didn't work for me, though.
:-\
would have been nice to live in the 50s... all the sedatives and tranqs you'd ever dream of... but then, no gay pron. :( i rather take gay pron.
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i dunno if i want to read them. i don't feel it's my right if she didn't want them to be seen.
It's a very accurate insite into Lucifer's true character. She's not what she appears to be. You only see an image of Lucifer that she wants you to see.
i've seen Lucifer be kind and sweet and i have seen you be an peaguy so who do i trust on this issue? ::)
Ummm…you’re being somewhat naïve here, Bjork. People with NPD (and other manipulative disorders) will be ingratiatingly nice to people, so long as it serves their purposes. They’re very good at inspiring blind loyealty in people, and they often have “friends†who point blank refuse to listen to the POV of their “enemies†or to weigh up the evidence for themselves., before launching themselves into an an all-out assault against said enemies.
(Yep, like Hadron, I’ve encounterered ‘em before, both IRL and on-line. In one case, the guy in question pre-emptively accused me. and another person of “spreading lies†about him, just because we knew a thing or two about him, which he feared becoming public knowledge Nobody had any idea what these “lies†were, ‘cause we hadn’t actually spread them about, but that didn’t stop his friends laying into us on his say-so. He’d been sweet as pie to them, so they trusted him)
I’m not saying that Lucifer has NPD (If I’m gonna throw my two cents in, I’d say it looks more like APD or good-old-fashioned psycopathy to me.) All I’m saying is , if you’re trying to tell us that Lucifer doesn’t have NPD, nor any of those other personality disorders, then you’re shooting yourself in the foot.
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i dunno if i want to read them. i don't feel it's my right if she didn't want them to be seen.
It's a very accurate insite into Lucifer's true character. She's not what she appears to be. You only see an image of Lucifer that she wants you to see.
i've seen Lucifer be kind and sweet and i have seen you be an peaguy so who do i trust on this issue? ::)
Ummm…you’re being somewhat naïve here, Bjork. People with NPD (and other manipulative disorders) will be ingratiatingly nice to people, so long as it serves their purposes. They’re very good at inspiring blind loyealty in people, and they often have “friends†who point blank refuse to listen to the POV of their “enemies†or to weigh up the evidence for themselves., before launching themselves into an an all-out assault against said enemies.
(Yep, like Hardon, I’ve encounterered ‘em before, both IRL and on-line. In one case, the guy in question pre-emptively accused me. and another person of “spreading lies†about him, just because we knew a thing or two about him, which he feared becoming public knowledge Nobody had any idea what these “lies†were, ‘cause we hadn’t actually spread them about, but that didn’t stop his friends laying into us on his say-so. He’d been sweet as pie to them, so they trusted him)
I’m not saying that Lucifer has NPD (If I’m gonna throw my two cents in, I’d say it looks more like APD or good-old-fashioned psycopathy to me.) All I’m saying is , if you’re trying to tell us that Lucifer doesn’t have NPD, nor any of those other personality disorders, then you’re shooting yourself in the foot.
I remember Tom and his little army of followers and sycophants. I have no idea of what kind of diagnosis he had (NPD or whatever) but they did attack you and others to keep the truth from coming out about him.
Of course I don't see Lucifer attacking anyone in a preemptive strike to keep information from coming out like Tom did.
Sure, she did not like having her chats with Neuroman posted, but she is not trashing Pyraxis and you like Tom trashed you and your friend.
For what it's worth, I don't think she has NPD either. I think she has some sort of ASD, like most of the rest of us.
Would a person with NPD freely admit that they are not a "nice" person? I think they would be too concerned with their image to do that.
I know that Tom, whatever he has, would never do that.
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Would a person with NPD freely admit that they are not a "nice" person? I think they would be too concerned with their image to do that.
Hell yes. Look, NPD is largely about the attention,
from my understanding.
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i dunno if i want to read them. i don't feel it's my right if she didn't want them to be seen.
It's a very accurate insite into Lucifer's true character. She's not what she appears to be. You only see an image of Lucifer that she wants you to see.
i've seen Lucifer be kind and sweet and i have seen you be an peaguy so who do i trust on this issue? ::)
Ummm…you’re being somewhat naïve here, Bjork. People with NPD (and other manipulative disorders) will be ingratiatingly nice to people, so long as it serves their purposes. They’re very good at inspiring blind loyealty in people, and they often have “friends†who point blank refuse to listen to the POV of their “enemies†or to weigh up the evidence for themselves., before launching themselves into an an all-out assault against said enemies.
(Yep, like Hardon, I’ve encounterered ‘em before, both IRL and on-line. In one case, the guy in question pre-emptively accused me. and another person of “spreading lies†about him, just because we knew a thing or two about him, which he feared becoming public knowledge Nobody had any idea what these “lies†were, ‘cause we hadn’t actually spread them about, but that didn’t stop his friends laying into us on his say-so. He’d been sweet as pie to them, so they trusted him)
I’m not saying that Lucifer has NPD (If I’m gonna throw my two cents in, I’d say it looks more like APD or good-old-fashioned psycopathy to me.) All I’m saying is , if you’re trying to tell us that Lucifer doesn’t have NPD, nor any of those other personality disorders, then you’re shooting yourself in the foot.
I remember Tom and his little army of followers and sycophants. I have no idea of what kind of diagnosis he had (NPD or whatever) but they did attack you and others to keep the truth from coming out about him.
I dunno what diagnoss he had either, Callaway; and he told do many lies to protect his precious "dignity" there's no taking his word for anything, dx included. I think most people concluded NPD, for good reasons. The hat certainly fit. A few thought APD (which is someitmes misdianosed as AS, btw, but usually goes undiagnosed)
Of course I don't see Lucifer attacking anyone in a preemptive strike to keep information from coming out like Tom did.
True. and I didn't mean to suggest that she did. I was just citing that as an exampleof the kind of blind loyaty such charaters can inspire. No direct analogy intended.
For what it's worth, I don't think she has NPD either. I think she has some sort of ASD, like most of the rest of us.
Yes, but that wouldn't rule out other conditions, besides. I don't think anybody's seriously questioned her ASD diagnosis.
Would a person with NPD freely admit that they are not a "nice" person? I think they would be too concerned with their image to do that.
I know that Tom, whatever he has, would never do that. [/quote]
Agreed. Not very likely (but, then, there's that guy who shot John Lennon, for example. If people with NPD can't manage to pass for saints, they'll often settle for notoriety instead. See Calandales' point above)
But I'm quibbling. It's actually what you might call the contrast beteen Lucifer and Tom (to sum it up succinctly) that makes me think more in terms of APD iin Lucifer's case
~Walkie
PS. I did try not to mention Tom by name *chuckle*. I should've picked a lesser-known example, perhaps, but that one was too good to resist.
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Is it your turn to try a character assassination of Lucifer, now that Pyraxis seems to have given up?
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blind loyaty such charaters can inspire.
Its funny how the people who don't agree with your friend are doing so out of blind loyalty isn't it? Of course its nothing to do with the quality of the 'evidence' she's posted ::)
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Is it your turn to try a character assassination of Lucifer, now that Pyraxis seems to have given up?
Nope. I'd call this "character analysis"
If I was out to assaisinate a character, I'd start by gathering more effective ammo, for one thing.
C'mon Odeon. Lucifer's practically bulletproof isn't she? You think this little discussion is hurting her? :LOL:
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you're laughing? you think it's funny? :finger:
you're pathetic.
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i dunno if i want to read them. i don't feel it's my right if she didn't want them to be seen.
It's a very accurate insite into Lucifer's true character. She's not what she appears to be. You only see an image of Lucifer that she wants you to see.
i've seen Lucifer be kind and sweet and i have seen you be an peaguy so who do i trust on this issue? ::)
Ummm…you’re being somewhat naïve here, Bjork. People with NPD (and other manipulative disorders) will be ingratiatingly nice to people, so long as it serves their purposes. They’re very good at inspiring blind loyealty in people, and they often have “friends†who point blank refuse to listen to the POV of their “enemies†or to weigh up the evidence for themselves., before launching themselves into an an all-out assault against said enemies.
(Yep, like Hardon, I’ve encounterered ‘em before, both IRL and on-line. In one case, the guy in question pre-emptively accused me. and another person of “spreading lies†about him, just because we knew a thing or two about him, which he feared becoming public knowledge Nobody had any idea what these “lies†were, ‘cause we hadn’t actually spread them about, but that didn’t stop his friends laying into us on his say-so. He’d been sweet as pie to them, so they trusted him)
I’m not saying that Lucifer has NPD (If I’m gonna throw my two cents in, I’d say it looks more like APD or good-old-fashioned psycopathy to me.) All I’m saying is , if you’re trying to tell us that Lucifer doesn’t have NPD, nor any of those other personality disorders, then you’re shooting yourself in the foot.
How dare you for belittling someone who is barely a psychopath, and how dare you for belittling my friendship with her. I am anything but a pawn.
Unlike you, I make the fucking effort to meet this said individual, unlike some online slag with their inane psychology babble -- you.
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I'm 'aving you tomorrow, you insolent bitch. Be warned.
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blind loyaty such charaters can inspire.
Its funny how the people who don't agree with your friend are doing so out of blind loyalty isn't it? Of course its nothing to do with the quality of the 'evidence' she's posted ::)
Hold, on PI. I wasn’t the first to cast the “blind loyaty†stone, not by by a long chalk. Lucifer’s friends have been throwing that one about for ages.
Besides, if you’d been reasonable enough (perish the thought) to take my comment in context, you’d note that I was responding to Bjork, and pointing out parallels between Bjork’s attitude and these blind loyalists' (that is: refusing to look at the evidence, but spouting off, anyway – in a decidedly aggressive fashion) Then , I went on to observe that she’d shot herself in the foot. Not exactly a blanket accusation (if it even counts as an accusation at all)
At least you’ve been using your brain…I think ( The evidence, so far, is somewhat inconclusive, mind you)
I guess my actual point was a little bit too subtle for you?
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you're laughing? you think it's funny? :finger:
you're pathetic.
Yes, I think it’s fricking hilarious that you talk as if Lucifer has been in some way hurt by the viewpoints expressed on this thread.
Given:
A) Lucifer prides herself on her manipulative skills . So, I guess she’d find a discussion as to whether she’s APD or NPD entertaining, if anything. (and I actually thought that one through before posting, btw) .Though , admittedly I don’t know her like you do. Am I wrong?
B) Her frends have rallied round, defended her to the hilt, and bombarded Pyraxis, and others, with more than enough downright insults to settle the score
C) Her karma has gone up and up and up.
I could probably add a few more points, if I could really be AAARRSE!!d. But you tell me: where’s the damage?
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Is it your turn to try a character assassination of Lucifer, now that Pyraxis seems to have given up?
Nope. I'd call this "character analysis"
If I was out to assaisinate a character, I'd start by gathering more effective ammo, for one thing.
C'mon Odeon. Lucifer's practically bulletproof isn't she? You think this little discussion is hurting her? :LOL:
Shows how much you know.
Oh shit, I just went blind.
:wanker:
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Is it your turn to try a character assassination of Lucifer, now that Pyraxis seems to have given up?
Nope. I'd call this "character analysis"
If I was out to assaisinate a character, I'd start by gathering more effective ammo, for one thing.
C'mon Odeon. Lucifer's practically bulletproof isn't she? You think this little discussion is hurting her? :LOL:
Shows how much you know.
Oh shit, I just went blind.
:wanker:
Lucifer prides herself on her manipulative skills . So, I guess she’d find a discussion as to whether she’s APD or NPD entertaining, if anything. (and I actually thought that one through before posting, btw) .Though , admittedly I don’t know her like you do. Am I wrong?
I was hoping for a rather more cogent response to that question
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I'm 'aving you tomorrow, you insolent bitch. Be warned.
Callout or physical?
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Is it your turn to try a character assassination of Lucifer, now that Pyraxis seems to have given up?
Nope. I'd call this "character analysis"
If I was out to assaisinate a character, I'd start by gathering more effective ammo, for one thing.
C'mon Odeon. Lucifer's practically bulletproof isn't she? You think this little discussion is hurting her? :LOL:
Shows how much you know.
Oh shit, I just went blind.
:wanker:
Lucifer prides herself on her manipulative skills . So, I guess she’d find a discussion as to whether she’s APD or NPD entertaining, if anything. (and I actually thought that one through before posting, btw) .Though , admittedly I don’t know her like you do. Am I wrong?
I was hoping for a rather more cogent response to that question
I was not responding for Odeon.
Besides, I can't see a thing.
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The only thing speaking for you, DrunkardsWalk, is that Callaway seems to think you're OK. Care to tell us what you real agenda is? Or have the decency to call her out, and tell HER.
Oh, and it's called "friends". But I suppose that's beyond you.
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C'mon Odeon. Lucifer's practically bulletproof isn't she? You think this little discussion is hurting her? :LOL:
Shows how much you know.
Oh shit, I just went blind.
:wanker:
And how exactly are we supposed to judge how hurt she is, when she keeps all her hurt behind closed and locked doors?
Until then, we have to assume that if she talks like she's okay, she's okay.
If we go around on this site with one eye cocked to everyone's emotional crises, what would Intensity be?
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the thing most of us do is to extend some common courtesy. you know, you don't do to others what you want to avoid yourself. that sort of thing.
just an idea. ToM is a bitch.
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the thing most of us do is to extend some common courtesy. you know, you don't do to others what you want to avoid yourself. that sort of thing.
just an idea. ToM is a bitch.
Your idea falls down for me, I am too whimsical. It might work for others though.
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How dare you for belittling someone who is barely a psychopath....
Peaguy, don't be a peaguy.
You're not helping her here.
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The only thing speaking for you, DrunkardsWalk, is that Callaway seems to think you're OK. Care to tell us what you real agenda is? Or have the decency to call her out, and tell HER.
Oh, and it's called "friends". But I suppose that's beyond you.
1. You still haven't answered my question Odeon. In any case, I'm afraid have too wait for an aswer to yours, whilst I try and figure out where I 've left any holes in my previous answers (I mean, I really thought I was being frank)
2.I think Lucifer already pretty much called me out on that, herself. . Again, I can't think of anything to add to what I've previously said, irrespective of whether I'm adressing you, Lucifer, or whomever. I seriously considering addressing a few misunderstandings, the other
day, but that would probably be flogging a dead horse. I mean, it's a more a question of mistrust than misunderstanding, as far as I can tell.
3. I don't know what you're getting at, but if you mean that i mis-pelled the word somewhere, that would be because of my dyslexia or dyspraxia (depending on the type of mis-spelling). But then that's not unusual round here, is it? (And if that's what you meant , that's definitely a cheap shot, but I'm reserving judgement)
Btw, I negged you for the first time ever, today. (No, I don't imagine the respect is mutual. But that's life.)
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:gotowp:
If we go around on this site with one eye cocked to everyone's emotional crises, what would Intensity be?
Oooh, ooooh, I know:
:gotowp:
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The only thing speaking for you, DrunkardsWalk, is that Callaway seems to think you're OK. Care to tell us what you real agenda is? Or have the decency to call her out, and tell HER.
Oh, and it's called "friends". But I suppose that's beyond you.
1. You still haven't answered my question Odeon. In any case, I'm afraid have too wait for an aswer to yours, whilst I try and figure out where I 've left any holes in my previous answers (I mean, I really thought I was being frank)
I won't. I've addressed this once, with Lucifer's permission, and it should be enough. As for hurt, wtf do you think? It's been going on for a while; I think most of us would react.
2.I think Lucifer already pretty much called me out on that, herself. . Again, I can't think of anything to add to what I've previously said, irrespective of whether I'm adressing you, Lucifer, or whomever. I was seriously considering addressing a few misunderstandings, the other
day, but that would probably be flogging a dead horse. I mean, it's a more a question of mistrust than misunderstanding, as far as I can tell.
I sincerely doubt Lucifer would like to go through another few weeks of the bs thrown at her but I do think you owe her an explanation.
3. I don't know what you're getting at, but if you mean that i mis-pelled the word somewhere, that would be because of my dyslexia or dyspraxia (depending on the type of mis-spelling) But then that's not unusual round here, is it? (And if that's what you meant , that's definitely a
cheap shot, but I'm reserving judgement)
I'm not that cheap. I don't make fun of anyone's spelling (well, Flo, but that's different). I was referring to your use of "blind loyalists". That's a cheap shot and you knew it when you wrote it.
Btw, I negged you for the first time ever, today. (No, I don't imagine the respect is mutual. But that's life.)
Negged? Gheyed?
Well, that's life. And it's only a number.
Care to tell us what this really is about now?
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Is it your turn to try a character assassination of Lucifer, now that Pyraxis seems to have given up?
Nope. I'd call this "character analysis"
If I was out to assaisinate a character, I'd start by gathering more effective ammo, for one thing.
C'mon Odeon. Lucifer's practically bulletproof isn't she? You think this little discussion is hurting her? :LOL:
I don't know, but it very well could be hurting her.
Would it be hurting you, if I posted chatlogs of some chats between you and some other person from over a year ago and someone was examining them and asking what your diagnosis was? If it would hurt you, then it might hurt someone else.
The problem with these chatlogs (and I read all of them posted here, I think) is that for all we know, there might have been another chat (or PM or email or whatever) which predates all of these where Neuroman asks Lucifer for help getting himself organized and she could have been doing exactly what she thought he wanted her to do.
The only thing speaking for you, DrunkardsWalk, is that Callaway seems to think you're OK.
Yes, Odeon. I do think a lot of Walkie. I knew her even before I knew you and I know that she is a good person.
I think the real issue is that Pyraxis believes that Lucifer hurt Neuroman.
Did she? I guess it is possible that she could have hurt him without intending to do so.
Like Pyraxis says, but talking about Neuroman instead of Lucifer:
And how exactly are we supposed to judge how hurt she he is, when she he keeps all her his hurt behind closed and locked doors?
Until then, we have to assume that if she he talks like she he's okay, she he's okay.
If we go around on this site with one eye cocked to everyone's emotional crises, what would Intensity be?
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the thing most of us do is to extend some common courtesy. you know, you don't do to others what you want to avoid yourself. that sort of thing.
just an idea. ToM is a bitch.
Ah but Odeon, I'm already treating her exactly as I wish to be treated.
I would love to have people call me out. That's what this site is about. I started picking fights because nobody was starting them with me. (You were right: I do get off on the pain. Though that was a side perk, not my main purpose.)
I suspect that what you are saying is that I should treat her as she wishes to be treated.
But why? Syncophancy makes for a very boring site.
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And how exactly are we supposed to judge how hurt she he is, when she he keeps all her his hurt behind closed and locked doors?
Until then, we have to assume that if she he talks like she he's okay, she he's okay.
If we go around on this site with one eye cocked to everyone's emotional crises, what would Intensity be?
:plus:
The difference is that what happened between Lucifer and Neuroman was not on Intensity.
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i dunno if i want to read them. i don't feel it's my right if she didn't want them to be seen.
It's a very accurate insite into Lucifer's true character. She's not what she appears to be. You only see an image of Lucifer that she wants you to see.
i've seen Lucifer be kind and sweet and i have seen you be an peaguy so who do i trust on this issue? ::)
Ummm…you’re being somewhat naïve here, Bjork. People with NPD (and other manipulative disorders) will be ingratiatingly nice to people, so long as it serves their purposes. They’re very good at inspiring blind loyealty in people, and they often have “friends†who point blank refuse to listen to the POV of their “enemies†or to weigh up the evidence for themselves., before launching themselves into an an all-out assault against said enemies.
(Yep, like Hardon, I’ve encounterered ‘em before, both IRL and on-line. In one case, the guy in question pre-emptively accused me. and another person of “spreading lies†about him, just because we knew a thing or two about him, which he feared becoming public knowledge Nobody had any idea what these “lies†were, ‘cause we hadn’t actually spread them about, but that didn’t stop his friends laying into us on his say-so. He’d been sweet as pie to them, so they trusted him)
I’m not saying that Lucifer has NPD (If I’m gonna throw my two cents in, I’d say it looks more like APD or good-old-fashioned psycopathy to me.) All I’m saying is , if you’re trying to tell us that Lucifer doesn’t have NPD, nor any of those other personality disorders, then you’re shooting yourself in the foot.
i'm not naive. i'm not blind. i see very clearly thank you. i just got new glasses.
i haven't seen Lucifer do anything wrong so why should i think she had when there's no proof? that's not naive, that's being fair.
i like Lucifer and if she has NPD, ok then. it's not my place to judge her for her acronyms. i have quite a few myself. what happened between her and neuroman is their business and frankly what you are doing is called butting in. what i am doing is called defending a friend. maybe you think that's what you're doing but really you're just attacking my friend.
i haven't assaulted anyone, you're the one who has. Pyraxis attacked Luficer. Lucifer's friends have attacked noone, neither Lucifer herself.
i can listen to Neuroman's POV if he cares to show up. but i will not be 100% certain anything quoted online is true because it can be changed. it has happened to a friend of mine, her journal was modified so that it sounded like she had written it, only parts were changed to make her look bad. so i don't trust quotes, to trust them, if anything, would be blindness and naivety, imo.
plus i have ADD so i can't be assed reading all this crap just to see what the hell this hooplah is about. if you want to give me actual proof i'll accept it, i'll read it. until then i don't give a crap. it's Pyraxis and her minions who are attacking Lucifer and i'm just here to say fuck off.
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the thing most of us do is to extend some common courtesy. you know, you don't do to others what you want to avoid yourself. that sort of thing.
just an idea. ToM is a bitch.
Ah but Odeon, I'm already treating her exactly as I wish to be treated.
I would love to have people call me out. That's what this site is about. I started picking fights because nobody was starting them with me. (You were right: I do get off on the pain. Though that was a side perk, not my main purpose.)
I suspect that what you are saying is that I should treat her as she wishes to be treated.
But why? Syncophancy makes for a very boring site.
You got it wrong. This place isn't about picking fights. You are.
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You got it wrong. This place isn't about picking fights. You are.
Indeed. This place is about inane sex talk.
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how true.
and at the door it should say "anyone without a sense of humor should turn back now."
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how true.
and at the door it should say "anyone without a sense of humor should turn back now."
we have posted a word or two from our critics.
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what do you mean?
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what do you mean?
From: http://www.intensitysquared.com/
A word or two of warning from our critics:
'... a barely-legal, completely unethical, den of iniquity that exists mainly for the amusement of a socially-able aspergic elite' - Intensity² Recruitment Chairman
'...that site sucks.' - Alexander Plank, much-loved pillar of the online Autistic community and owner, publisher, founder and administrator of WrongPlanet.net
:laugh:
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:laugh:
much loved pillar. :laugh:
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blind loyaty such charaters can inspire.
Its funny how the people who don't agree with your friend are doing so out of blind loyalty isn't it? Of course its nothing to do with the quality of the 'evidence' she's posted ::)
Hold, on PI. I wasn’t the first to cast the “blind loyaty†stone, not by by a long chalk. Lucifer’s friends have been throwing that one about for ages.
Besides, if you’d been reasonable enough (perish the thought) to take my comment in context, you’d note that I was responding to Bjork, and pointing out parallels between Bjork’s attitude and these blind loyalists' (that is: refusing to look at the evidence, but spouting off, anyway – in a decidedly aggressive fashion) Then , I went on to observe that she’d shot herself in the foot. Not exactly a blanket accusation (if it even counts as an accusation at all)
At least you’ve been using your brain…I think ( The evidence, so far, is somewhat inconclusive, mind you)
I guess my actual point was a little bit too subtle for you?
Why am I not surprised that you feel the need to start casting aspersions about the lack of intelligence of the other people involved in this discussion? I've seen this arrogant, 'I'm much more intelligent than you' attitude before- I wonder if you can guess who from? ::)
I understand perfectly well the context that particular comment was made in, but it isn't the first time you've accused us all of only supporting Lucifer because she's a popular member. It seems to be the party line where you three are concerned. (Although I'm sure you'll level the party line accusation right back at us). You admit the evidence is somewhat inconclusive, yet you seem surprised that we're not all having some kind of 'aha' moment and realising that the accusations made against her are correct.
Since the evidence is 'somewhat inconclusive'- what makes you think that you're able to offer an accurate diagnosis of her based on this evidence? Or is it just that your super intelligence means you don't need conclusive evidence to do so? ::)
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'I'm much more intelligent than you' attitude before- I wonder if you can guess who from? ::)
Hardon? :laugh:
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How dare you for belittling someone who is barely a psychopath....
Peaguy, don't be a peaguy.
You're not helping her here.
Helping her with what? Could you be even less fucking cryptic? Don't fuck with me, or I will destroy you, as I have done with McJ, Eamonn, Danlo, and a few other people here. I used the adverb correctly, so fuck off.
Funny how DrunkardAllTalkAndNoWalk is all mouth over making cogent responses to her query, the fucking hypocrite. Maybe if she actually got to know the attacked person beforehand, instead of interfering with aught that is naught to do with her personally, making pop-psychology bullshit in the process, she'd get by in life.
And Pyraxis, don't cry to us if you're actually the one getting played here, and not Lucifer's friends. Create as many aspersions as you like, be it from private conversations (bad move; checkmate to the witch purely on integrity) or your dealings with her from WP, you still don't know the person you are actually dealing with. I met her, I know what kind of a person she is like, and I accepted her for who she is. Look into it what you will.
And this Neuroman is one of the progenitors of Intensity? This loon? Hiding behind his girlfriend to do his dirty work? Isn't that a bit P.I.ist? What a crock of shit.
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I definitely saw some interweb psychologist diagnosing in this thread. It must be over. :police:
As for DrunkardsWalk, she has no credibility as regards Lucifer's personality anyway, considering she's attempting to make an assessment of someone she doesn't know based on third hand bullshit.
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I definitely saw some interweb psychologist diagnosing in this thread. It must be over. :police:
I hate it when people do that. Line them all up so I can shoot them with one, tremendous blast.
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Methinks scrap and cal should be here enforcing Dunc's Law. It's a potential rule, after all. :P
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I definitely saw some interweb psychologist diagnosing in this thread. It must be over. :police:
As for DrunkardsWalk, she has no credibility as regards Lucifer's personality anyway, considering she's attempting to make an assessment of someone she doesn't know based on third hand bullshit.
I would now like to question all your diagnosis
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I definitely saw some interweb psychologist diagnosing in this thread. It must be over. :police:
As for DrunkardsWalk, she has no credibility as regards Lucifer's personality anyway, considering she's attempting to make an assessment of someone she doesn't know based on third hand bullshit.
I would now like to question all your diagnosis
you are a nazi.
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I definitely saw some interweb psychologist diagnosing in this thread. It must be over. :police:
As for DrunkardsWalk, she has no credibility as regards Lucifer's personality anyway, considering she's attempting to make an assessment of someone she doesn't know based on third hand bullshit.
I would now like to question all your diagnosis
you are a nazi.
Moi, how?
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And Pyraxis, don't cry to us if you're actually the one getting played here, and not Lucifer's friends. Create as many aspersions as you like, be it from private conversations (bad move; checkmate to the witch purely on integrity) or your dealings with her from WP, you still don't know the person you are actually dealing with. I met her, I know what kind of a person she is like, and I accepted her for who she is. Look into it what you will.
Why, when you were so upset at HG for treating her IRL friendships as more important than her online ones, are you suddenly taking the same point of view and saying you know so much more about Lucifer because you've met her IRL? Hypocrite yourself.
(All in the spirit of debate, Peaguy, I've got nothing against you and quite like you.)
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And Pyraxis, don't cry to us if you're actually the one getting played here, and not Lucifer's friends. Create as many aspersions as you like, be it from private conversations (bad move; checkmate to the witch purely on integrity) or your dealings with her from WP, you still don't know the person you are actually dealing with. I met her, I know what kind of a person she is like, and I accepted her for who she is. Look into it what you will.
Why, when you were so upset at HG for treating her IRL friendships as more important than her online ones, are you suddenly taking the same point of view and saying you know so much more about Lucifer because you've met her IRL? Hypocrite yourself.
(All in the spirit of debate, Peaguy, I've got nothing against you and quite like you.)
That's fair. I can't go against that. Karma point to you. +
(And I haven't got anything against you either. I like you too, even though we're not close hombres yet. Whenever my friends get attacked, I tend to jump into the middle of things without thinking it through. :P)
I'll going to PM you now.
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Methinks scrap and cal should be here enforcing Dunc's Law. It's a potential rule, after all. :P
You need to post a "secrtet list of rules" first. I didn't get the key to the executive bathroom so i'm still in the dark about all these "rules". ::)
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Methinks scrap and cal should be here enforcing Dunc's Law. It's a potential rule, after all. :P
You need to post a "secrtet list of rules" first. I didn't get the key to the executive bathroom so i'm still in the dark about all these "rules". ::)
Doubt someone's dx and the thread is automatically over. You didn't read the memo? :P
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Methinks scrap and cal should be here enforcing Dunc's Law. It's a potential rule, after all. :P
You need to post a "secrtet list of rules" first. I didn't get the key to the executive bathroom so i'm still in the dark about all these "rules". ::)
Doubt someone's dx and the thread is automatically over. You didn't read the memo? :P
I certainly read it. It's Godwin's Second Law, as applied to aspie boards, more commonly referred to as Dunc's Law. :laugh:
I don't know how you missed this, Scrapheap, but here is a link for you:
http://www.intensitysquared.com/index.php?topic=1264.msg45084#msg45084
;D
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Methinks scrap and cal should be here enforcing Dunc's Law. It's a potential rule, after all. :P
You need to post a "secrtet list of rules" first. I didn't get the key to the executive bathroom so i'm still in the dark about all these "rules". ::)
Doubt someone's dx and the thread is automatically over. You didn't read the memo? :P
I certainly read it. It's Godwin's Second Law, as applied to aspie boards, more commonly referred to as Dunc's Law. :laugh:
I don't know how you missed this, Scrapheap, but here is a link for you:
http://www.intensitysquared.com/index.php?topic=1264.msg45084#msg45084
;D
Our illustrious Librarian strikes again! (Yes, from now on, when I say librarian as it applies to Callaway's awesomeness, I will capitalize.)
Plus for Callaway.
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Our illustrious Librarian strikes again! (Yes, from now on, when I say librarian as it applies to Callaway's awesomeness, I will capitalize.)
Plus for Callaway.
:woohoo:
I'm the Librarian!
Did you see a movie called The Librarian?
I loved it because the Librarian was the cool guy.
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Callaway,
I read your post in response to me. Thank you Before I proceed I'd like to apologise to you, in particular (and others in general) for no responding drectly to you. I'd like to. You surely deserver it, but I've just spent hour after hour composing a couple of replies to Odeon and Bjork. , and that's probablty all I've got the time abnd energy for (nobody ever believes me, but I'm a very, very slow writer).
On the positive side. my reply to Bjork is mostly concerned with addressing a question that loads of people have been plagueing me with, so it kills several birds with one stone, hopefully.
(umm. Well hopefull it kills no birds , as such, neither actual nor metaphorical. I like birds,. And besides, I'm vegetarian. so they'd only go to waste)
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. I don't know what you're getting at, but if you mean that i mis-pelled the word somewhere, that would be because of my dyslexia or dyspraxia (depending on the type of mis-spelling) But then that's not unusual round here, is it? (And if that's what you meant , that's definitely a
cheap shot, but I'm reserving judgement)
I'm not that cheap. I don't make fun of anyone's spelling (well, Flo, but that's different). I was referring to your use of "blind loyalists". That's a cheap shot and you knew it when you wrote it.
Actually, I don’t think it was a cheap-shot. Believe it or not, it was an attempt at a concise description of a state of mind or behaviour pattern , not an insult. I’ve actually known some sensitive, intelligent, compassionate people to fallen into that behaviour pattern, temporarily (OK, Inger for one famous examlpe. I don’t suppose you know her, but if I don’t mention her , somebody else is bound to)
If I was actually talking to one of those people I’d try to choose my words carefully, so as not to offend ‘em---so long as they weren’t being aggressive that is. Quite aside from the fact that I wasn’t applying the term the term to Bjork , just noting that she’s talking in similar fashion (I don't suppose you regard that distinction as sgnificant. But I do) , I notice that Bjork’s got some more insulting terms than “blind loyalty†at her disposal- and she’s used ‘em, so I didn’t see any need to tread on eggshells to avoid offending her. And if she took offense, I don’t feel I owe her an apology.
Here are two examples:
Of Neuroman:
yes i agree hardy, there should be a callout for the guy hiding behind his mama's skirt.
To Hardon:
who said i met her you assumptious fuckhead?
And I thought she’s said something offensive about me, too, but can’t find it, truth to tell. Might’ve got her mixed up with Willow, or somebody. But that “mama’s skirt†remark, was definitely a cheap shot. That’s been seriously rankling me.
Now I'll get on with replying to Bjork. Hopefully that reply will address your other questions. If it doesn't, I give up. It's my best shot, and one heckova waste of time, if it turns out that it cuts no ice with anyone.
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that blind loyalist thing *is* cheap. are you one?
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i dunno if i want to read them. i don't feel it's my right if she didn't want them to be seen.
It's a very accurate insite into Lucifer's true character. She's not what she appears to be. You only see an image of Lucifer that she wants you to see.
i've seen Lucifer be kind and sweet and i have seen you be an peaguy so who do i trust on this issue? ::)
Ummm…you’re being somewhat naïve here, Bjork. People with NPD (and other manipulative disorders) will be ingratiatingly nice to people, so long as it serves their purposes. They’re very good at inspiring blind loyealty in people, and they often have “friends†who point blank refuse to listen to the POV of their “enemies†or to weigh up the evidence for themselves., before launching themselves into an an all-out assault against said enemies.
(Yep, like Hardon, I’ve encounterered ‘em before, both IRL and on-line. In one case, the guy in question pre-emptively accused me. and another person of “spreading lies†about him, just because we knew a thing or two about him, which he feared becoming public knowledge Nobody had any idea what these “lies†were, ‘cause we hadn’t actually spread them about, but that didn’t stop his friends laying into us on his say-so. He’d been sweet as pie to them, so they trusted him)
I’m not saying that Lucifer has NPD (If I’m gonna throw my two cents in, I’d say it looks more like APD or good-old-fashioned psycopathy to me.) All I’m saying is , if you’re trying to tell us that Lucifer doesn’t have NPD, nor any of those other personality disorders, then you’re shooting yourself in the foot.
i'm not naive. i'm not blind. i see very clearly thank you. i just got new glasses.
i haven't seen Lucifer do anything wrong so why should i think she had when there's no proof? that's not naive, that's being fair.
i like Lucifer and if she has NPD, ok then. it's not my place to judge her for her acronyms. i have quite a few myself. what happened between her and neuroman is their business and frankly what you are doing is called butting in. what i am doing is called defending a friend. maybe you think that's what you're doing but really you're just attacking my friend.
i haven't assaulted anyone, you're the one who has. Pyraxis attacked Luficer. Lucifer's friends have attacked noone, neither Lucifer herself.
i can listen to Neuroman's POV if he cares to show up. but i will not be 100% certain anything quoted online is true because it can be changed. it has happened to a friend of mine, her journal was modified so that it sounded like she had written it, only parts were changed to make her look bad. so i don't trust quotes, to trust them, if anything, would be blindness and naivety, imo.
plus i have ADD so i can't be assed reading all this crap just to see what the hell this hooplah is about. if you want to give me actual proof i'll accept it, i'll read it. until then i don't give a crap. it's Pyraxis and her minions who are attacking Lucifer and i'm just here to say fuck off.
See my reply to Odeon above.
I think you are being naïve, if you think that somebody who’s very kind to a selected few must therefore be a “kjind wonderful person†all round, who would never do anything unkind. They might be , but then again they might not be. That said, I don’t mean to suggest that you’re being naïve in standing up for your friend. (Don’t we all stand up for our friends? ) , just that the argument you put forward is naïve; .and we’d have to be naïve to buy it.
Also I think that that it’s dangerously naïve to trust someone so much that you refuse to even consider any alternative POV I surely wouldn’t trust my friends to be always above reproach , cause they all look like human beings to me. I hope I’dllalways be willing to give any complaints about ‘em a fair hearing (Besides,, I feel I’m be better equipped to defend ‘em, when do. That’s reason enough in itself)
That said I’m not sure it’s fair to accuse you of that degree “blind loyalty†(you did put forward another reason for refusing to look at those logs after all) but I stand by my observation that you’re coming across that way, and thus undermining your credibilty. For anyone who’s tangled with a Narcisstist before, your argumen twould tend ring warning bells, rather than reassure. That’s a fact. You can argue that those bells ring a false warning, but they would definitely ring.
I tried to explain to you exactly why those warning bells would ring, and I chose an example that couldn’t be mistaken for an allegation against Lucifer (There are some obvious differences as callaway noted) , in the hope that you wouldn’t take it personally, but look at it objectvely, and take my point. I think it’s a point worth making.
You did take it personally.. Oh well. I can let that go,, And maybe it’s my fault or not being clear enopugh, but I’m not apologising. Like I said to Odeaon, I’ve been a damned sight more careful not to give offenser to Lucifer’s friends, than they’ve been with my friends, and I’m not prepared to go any further in that direction than I already do. I don’t see any good in going further
I mean, I’m actually saying what I mean, but I wonder if I’m putting it too politely, already? Maybe I ought to be pouring forth a stream of intentional insults, to save people you trouble of hunting through my words to find ‘em? Then you’d maybe be convinced that I don’t have a hidden agenda, and we could have some sort of realistic dialogue?
I seriously do wonder about that .One thing that attracts me to this no-hold-barred arena, is that people are free to say what they mean., and I see a lot a value in that. But where’s the good in being free to say what you mean, if nobidy believes that you’re doing precisely that? And if it takes an essay to explain yourself half-way sufficiently. And people don’t like essays.
(oh, and btw, I don’t intend term “naïve†as an insult. I think I’m often absurdly naïve , myself, in some ways. Thaty’s a perennial hazzard of havng AS. But do feel free take it as an insult if that makes you feel more comfortable, just don’t call me to task on it. I’m not up to explaining myself, at this kind of length repeatedly. There are not enough hours in the day. )
You say: “Lucifer’s friends have attacked noone, neither Lucifer herselfâ€
That’s debatable..
*sigh *
OK, then (let’s try, once again to explain what I’m doing here. Then you can ask me once again what my real agenda is. And McJ can kick my butt again for trying to involve him in an heinous conspiracy, and so forth. )
But let's split this into two, at least . That might be slightly easier on the eyes, and it will be a chance to take a little break, before slogging through it again, trying to correct all my typos (continued on my next post)
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Our illustrious Librarian strikes again! (Yes, from now on, when I say librarian as it applies to Callaway's awesomeness, I will capitalize.)
Plus for Callaway.
:woohoo:
I'm the Librarian!
Did you see a movie called The Librarian?
I loved it because the Librarian was the cool guy.
i love it! The Liberrian: The Quest For The Spear is the best.
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Here are two examples:
Of Neuroman:
yes i agree hardy, there should be a callout for the guy hiding behind his mama's skirt.
To Hardon:
who said i met her you assumptious fuckhead?
this is Intensity. it's not uncommon to call people fuckheads. if you piss me off i might call you names. i have a temper.
and also you can see from the above quotes that i can agree with people somewhere and think they are a fuckhead somewhere else. depends on what they say. i can also disagree with people who i like and consider a friend, like Lucifer. we don't see eye to eye on everything and that's fine. i'm not blindly loyal to anyone. i can be quite objective.
i take offense to you calling me a fucking moron, which is what you called me when you called me blindly loyal. it's the equivalent. it's not how you word it, it's the meaning. i can read between the lines. and i take offense when called something i certainly am not and i take pride in not being it. when i am loyal to someone i do it with my eyes open. and i will tell you to fuck off if you try to claim otherwise.
but i don't recall asking you for an apology.
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Could you be even less fucking cryptic?
Yes.
Don't fuck with me, or I will destroy you, as I have done with McJ, Eamonn, Danlo, and a few other people here.
Didn't you get enough last time you came for me?
I used the adverb correctly, so fuck off.
Yes, but ambiguously. In such a way that it could be interpreted
as I did. Perhaps you should try and express yourself more clearly,
if you want to support someone, instead of merely bemuse them
with your wit in crypticisms.
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Methinks scrap and cal should be here enforcing Dunc's Law. It's a potential rule, after all. :P
Don't mistake the FUN of setting down useless rules
with the actuality of enforcing them. I make a horrible
mod.
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See my reply to Odeon above.
I think you are being naïve, if you think that somebody who’s very kind to a selected few must therefore be a “kjind wonderful person†all round, who would never do anything unkind. They might be , but then again they might not be. That said, I don’t mean to suggest that you’re being naïve in standing up for your friend. (Don’t we all stand up for our friends? ) , just that the argument you put forward is naïve; .and we’d have to be naïve to buy it.
you misunderstood me. i never said Lucifer is someone who wouldn't do anything unkind. what i said was that it wasn't my business what she has done to neuroman because those PMs were private. she has been nice to me, that's all i know, and that's all i care about because i have no proof of anything else and i am not her fucking judge. i am not naive. i am just being fair to the best of my abilities.
i decide who i'm friends with and you can judge me by the company i keep but don't call me naive. i know what i'm doing. if i decide to be friends with a known murderer for example you can judge me for it all you like but don't assume i'm being manipulated into it. don't you dare.
Also I think that that it’s dangerously naïve to trust someone so much that you refuse to even consider any alternative POV I surely wouldn’t trust my friends to be always above reproach , cause they all look like human beings to me. I hope I’dllalways be willing to give any complaints about ‘em a fair hearing (Besides,, I feel I’m be better equipped to defend ‘em, when do. That’s reason enough in itself)
again, i might consider and read any real proof you can provide me. i said that already. it's not that i don't consider the other POV, it's that i don't trust it because the person who is bringing it to my attention betrayed Lucifer's trust in the first place and attacked *her*. i don't see Pyraxis as trustworthy so i don't trust her so called evidence. again, not naive.
That said I’m not sure it’s fair to accuse you of that degree “blind loyalty†(you did put forward another reason for refusing to look at those logs after all) but I stand by my observation that you’re coming across that way, and thus undermining your credibilty. For anyone who’s tangled with a Narcisstist before, your argumen twould tend ring warning bells, rather than reassure. That’s a fact. You can argue that those bells ring a false warning, but they would definitely ring.
again, i don't care what bells ring. if she has NPD it's none of my business. i can accept that she might. that's fine in my book.
and if i come across some way other than what i intended it's because you don't understand what i am saying.
I tried to explain to you exactly why those warning bells would ring, and I chose an example that couldn’t be mistaken for an allegation against Lucifer (There are some obvious differences as callaway noted) , in the hope that you wouldn’t take it personally, but look at it objectvely, and take my point. I think it’s a point worth making.
and what was that again?
You did take it personally.. Oh well. I can let that go,, And maybe it’s my fault or not being clear enopugh, but I’m not apologising. Like I said to Odeaon, I’ve been a damned sight more careful not to give offenser to Lucifer’s friends, than they’ve been with my friends, and I’m not prepared to go any further in that direction than I already do. I don’t see any good in going further
again, i'm not asking for an apology. i don't get my panties in a twist over this shit that badly. i couldn't give a smaller shit if you never apologise to me. you don't owe me that anymore than i owe you one.
I mean, I’m actually saying what I mean, but I wonder if I’m putting it too politely, already? Maybe I ought to be pouring forth a stream of intentional insults, to save people you trouble of hunting through my words to find ‘em? Then you’d maybe be convinced that I don’t have a hidden agenda, and we could have some sort of realistic dialogue?
i'm not convinced you have any real agenda. you probably believe in what you are doing just as i do in what i am doing.
I seriously do wonder about that .One thing that attracts me to this no-hold-barred arena, is that people are free to say what they mean., and I see a lot a value in that. But where’s the good in being free to say what you mean, if nobidy believes that you’re doing precisely that? And if it takes an essay to explain yourself half-way sufficiently. And people don’t like essays.
i see a lot of value in honesty and freedom. did i say you were lying or being dishonest? my memory is shot so i can't always remember what i've said. but right now i don't think you are being deceitful.
(oh, and btw, I don’t intend term “naïve†as an insult. I think I’m often absurdly naïve , myself, in some ways. Thaty’s a perennial hazzard of havng AS. But do feel free take it as an insult if that makes you feel more comfortable, just don’t call me to task on it. I’m not up to explaining myself, at this kind of length repeatedly. There are not enough hours in the day.
naive and child-like are different things. aspies are often child-like. that i don't take as an insult. but naive i do. if you want to talk semantics, maybe we mean different things by it. i take it as someone who is not with their eyes open, who is easily manipulated, who is not experienced and mature and who doesn't know what they are doing, someone who is as you call it, blindly something. in this case i don't think i am. so i take offense. i have my fucking eyes open. i am not being manipulated. my whole life i've suffered from being hyperaware of what i do and what others do and how things affect things, i overthink things, i over analyse things, it's not always so much fun, i don't regret being that way but i have had my ups and downs and i did not go through all that shit to be called fucking naive. got it? cuz that's something i am FUCKING NOT. i take GIGANTIC FUCKING OFFENSE. just fyi.
You say: “Lucifer’s friends have attacked noone, neither Lucifer herselfâ€
That’s debatable..
yes it is but there's no proof. only person who's been visibly attacked is Lucifer, her private writings were published.
*sigh *
OK, then (let’s try, once again to explain what I’m doing here. Then you can ask me once again what my real agenda is. And McJ can kick my butt again for trying to involve him in an heinous conspiracy, and so forth. )
But let's split this into two, at least . That might be slightly easier on the eyes, and it will be a chance to take a little break, before slogging through it again, trying to correct all my typos (continued on my next post)
oh no there's another one coming?
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Did you see a movie called The Librarian?
Was that the one with John Belushi as Connan?
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Did you see a movie called The Librarian?
Was that the one with John Belushi as Connan?
No, this one had Noah Wyle as Flynn Carsen, The Librarian.
There were two of them. One was The Librarian: Quest for the Spear and the other one was The Librarian: Return to King Solomon's Mines.
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Ah, no. The only actual movie set in a library that I
remember was "Indiana Jones' Dad in the Library of Doom"
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Did you see a movie called The Librarian?
Was that the one with John Belushi as Connan?
No, this one had Noah Wyle as Flynn Carsen, The Librarian.
There were two of them. One was The Librarian: Quest for the Spear and the other one was The Librarian: Return to King Solomon's Mines.
which was your favorite? i prefer the spear.
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. I don't know what you're getting at, but if you mean that i mis-pelled the word somewhere, that would be because of my dyslexia or dyspraxia (depending on the type of mis-spelling) But then that's not unusual round here, is it? (And if that's what you meant , that's definitely a
cheap shot, but I'm reserving judgement)
I'm not that cheap. I don't make fun of anyone's spelling (well, Flo, but that's different). I was referring to your use of "blind loyalists". That's a cheap shot and you knew it when you wrote it.
Actually, I don’t think it was a cheap-shot. Believe it or not, it was an attempt at a concise description of a state of mind or behaviour pattern , not an insult. I’ve actually known some sensitive, intelligent, compassionate people to fallen into that behaviour pattern, temporarily (OK, Inger for one famous examlpe. I don’t suppose you know her, but if I don’t mention her , somebody else is bound to)
If I was actually talking to one of those people I’d try to choose my words carefully, so as not to offend ‘em---so long as they weren’t being aggressive that is. Quite aside from the fact that I wasn’t applying the term the term to Bjork , just noting that she’s talking in similar fashion (I don't suppose you regard that distinction as sgnificant. But I do) , I notice that Bjork’s got some more insulting terms than “blind loyalty†at her disposal- and she’s used ‘em, so I didn’t see any need to tread on eggshells to avoid offending her. And if she took offense, I don’t feel I owe her an apology.
Here are two examples:
Of Neuroman:
yes i agree hardy, there should be a callout for the guy hiding behind his mama's skirt.
To Hardon:
who said i met her you assumptious fuckhead?
And I thought she’s said something offensive about me, too, but can’t find it, truth to tell. Might’ve got her mixed up with Willow, or somebody. But that “mama’s skirt†remark, was definitely a cheap shot. That’s been seriously rankling me.
Now I'll get on with replying to Bjork. Hopefully that reply will address your other questions. If it doesn't, I give up. It's my best shot, and one heckova waste of time, if it turns out that it cuts no ice with anyone.
Bear in mind when you are talking about me that I am often pissed while on here. And what you quoted I believe were two different situtations.
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Did you see a movie called The Librarian?
Was that the one with John Belushi as Connan?
No, this one had Noah Wyle as Flynn Carsen, The Librarian.
There were two of them. One was The Librarian: Quest for the Spear and the other one was The Librarian: Return to King Solomon's Mines.
which was your favorite? i prefer the spear.
It's too difficult for me to choose. I liked them both and I hope that they make another one.
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Bear in mind when you are talking about me that I am often pissed while on here. And what you quoted I believe were two different situtations.
Oh, alright.
:plus: (in spirit, at least. I know it makes no difference)
Actually, i feel like plussing nearly everyone right now.
I feel like plussing Bjork, several times over for her immensely gutsy reply to me(hope you're listenng , Bjork,, I s'pect I'll spoil the good atmosphere - though that might be figment of my own imagination- with my next post *sigh* , cause i haven't modified it, and I don't think I should, 'cause I'd never get around to posting it , for one thing.)
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i just plussed you walkie. i have never gheyed you
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wasn't this thread over? :P :police:
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Bear in mind when you are talking about me that I am often pissed while on here. And what you quoted I believe were two different situtations.
Oh, alright.
:plus: (in spirit, at least. I know it makes no difference)
Actually, i feel like plussing nearly everyone right now.
I feel like plussing Bjork, several times over for her immensely gutsy reply to me(hope you're listenng , Bjork,, I s'pect I'll spoil the good atmosphere - though that might be figment of my own imagination- with my next post *sigh* , cause i haven't modified it, and I don't think I should, 'cause I'd never get around to posting it , for one thing.)
Thanks Walkie.
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Did you see a movie called The Librarian?
Was that the one with John Belushi as Connan?
No, this one had Noah Wyle as Flynn Carsen, The Librarian.
There were two of them. One was The Librarian: Quest for the Spear and the other one was The Librarian: Return to King Solomon's Mines.
which was your favorite? i prefer the spear.
It's too difficult for me to choose. I liked them both and I hope that they make another one.
i hope so too. i really love the Liberrian movies.
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wasn't this thread over? :P :police:
Never!
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It should be over! :police:
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It should be over! :police:
just because you are over the hill.
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And through the dale.
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Bear in mind when you are talking about me that I am often pissed while on here. And what you quoted I believe were two different situtations.
Oh, alright.
:plus: (in spirit, at least. I know it makes no difference)
Actually, i feel like plussing nearly everyone right now.
I feel like plussing Bjork, several times over for her immensely gutsy reply to me(hope you're listenng , Bjork,, I s'pect I'll spoil the good atmosphere - though that might be figment of my own imagination- with my next post *sigh* , cause i haven't modified it, and I don't think I should, 'cause I'd never get around to posting it , for one thing.)
well thanks for the compliment. i appreciated your post as well even though the word naive makes me see red. :P
modify your next post if it's not what you want to say, otherwise post it. there's no hurry, here in cyberland there is no time. :P
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And through the dale.
Through wood and dale the sacred river ran,
Then reached the caverns measureless to man,
And sank in tumult to a lifeless ocean :
And 'mid this tumult Kubla heard from far
Ancestral voices prophesying war !
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i just plussed you walkie. i have never gheyed you
Ouch! Now I'm feeling ereally bad about my forthcoming post; whichis pretty much a painfully serious all-inclusive rant (and you're one of the villains of the piece, sad to say, no evading it ) and it's beginning to feel distinclty out-of-place on this thread.
But then I worked all night, and half-the-day on it, and I feel, for various reasons that it needs to be posted (one obvious reason being that various people demanded explanations of me...as if aspies aren't inclined to over-explain at the best of times)
Ah, well, I expect we'll always forgive each other, huh?
Thanks, McJ :)
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And through the dale.
Through wood and dale the sacred river ran,
Then reached the caverns measureless to man,
And sank in tumult to a lifeless ocean :
And 'mid this tumult Kubla heard from far
Ancestral voices prophesying war !
To grandmother's house he went?
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if you want the whole poem i can post it. it's my favorite poem.
In Xanadu did Kubla Khan
A stately pleasure-dome decree :
Where Alph, the sacred river, ran
Through caverns measureless to man
Down to a sunless sea.
So twice five miles of fertile ground
With walls and towers were girdled round :
And there were gardens bright with sinuous rills,
Where blossomed many an incense-bearing tree ;
And here were forests ancient as the hills,
Enfolding sunny spots of greenery.
But oh ! that deep romantic chasm which slanted
Down the green hill athwart a cedarn cover !
A savage place ! as holy and enchanted
As e'er beneath a waning moon was haunted
By woman wailing for her demon-lover !
And from this chasm, with ceaseless turmoil seething,
As if this earth in fast thick pants were breathing,
A mighty fountain momently was forced :
Amid whose swift half-intermitted burst
Huge fragments vaulted like rebounding hail,
Or chaffy grain beneath the thresher's flail :
And 'mid these dancing rocks at once and ever
It flung up momently the sacred river.
Five miles meandering with a mazy motion
Through wood and dale the sacred river ran,
Then reached the caverns measureless to man,
And sank in tumult to a lifeless ocean :
And 'mid this tumult Kubla heard from far
Ancestral voices prophesying war !
The shadow of the dome of pleasure
Floated midway on the waves ;
Where was heard the mingled measure
From the fountain and the caves.
It was a miracle of rare device,
A sunny pleasure-dome with caves of ice !
A damsel with a dulcimer
In a vision once I saw :
It was an Abyssinian maid,
And on her dulcimer she played,
Singing of Mount Abora.
Could I revive within me
Her symphony and song,
To such a deep delight 'twould win me,
That with music loud and long,
I would build that dome in air,
That sunny dome ! those caves of ice !
And all who heard should see them there,
And all should cry, Beware ! Beware !
His flashing eyes, his floating hair !
Weave a circle round him thrice,
And close your eyes with holy dread,
For he on honey-dew hath fed,
And drunk the milk of Paradise.
http://etext.virginia.edu/stc/Coleridge/poems/Kubla_Khan.html
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if you want the whole poem i can post it. it's my favorite poem.
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http://etext.virginia.edu/stc/Coleridge/poems/Kubla_Khan.html
Thanks Milla. I love that one too.
:plus:
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you have good taste. :plus:
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:police: ...and this thread STILL twitches. I'm just not getting the respect these days. :tantrum:
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:police: ...and this thread STILL twitches. I'm just not getting the respect these days. :tantrum:
:boobs:
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if you want the whole poem i can post it. it's my favorite poem.
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http://etext.virginia.edu/stc/Coleridge/poems/Kubla_Khan.html
Thanks Milla. I love that one too.
:plus:
I love reading Coleridge aloud.
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me too! i obsess over that poem. it's like a stim. the rhythm of it is soothing. i could read it over and over.
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Bear in mind when you are talking about me that I am often pissed while on here. And what you quoted I believe were two different situtations.
Oh, alright.
:plus: (in spirit, at least. I know it makes no difference)
Actually, i feel like plussing nearly everyone right now.
I feel like plussing Bjork, several times over for her immensely gutsy reply to me(hope you're listenng , Bjork,, I s'pect I'll spoil the good atmosphere - though that might be figment of my own imagination- with my next post *sigh* , cause i haven't modified it, and I don't think I should, 'cause I'd never get around to posting it , for one thing.)
well thanks for the compliment. i appreciated your post as well even though the word naive makes me see red. :P
Yeah, doesn't it just! <yikes!>
But, seriously, I really appreciated he insight into your POV (I evidently don't share you POV on that word, but I can certainly relate to it, now)
modify your next post if it's not what you want to say, otherwise post it. there's no hurry, here in cyberland there is no time. :P
Good point. But, then, here in Walkieland, there's always the danger that I'll chicken out, if I don't hit "post" pretty fast.
I have two basic problems with that post:
1) I was really pissed-off at the time of writing and it shows. (But then that post of yours, for one handy example- goes to demonstrate that it can often be a good thing, in the final analysis, to write when pissed-off. So I'm not about to revise it, on that score. It just makes me hesitant)
2) I was carrying on from my post to you, and thus adressing you directly, at intervals. But, if you can live with the fact that it's somewhat out-of-place to address it to you, and make a few allowances, I'd rather leave it like that. It's not hugely critical of you. It mostly concerns other people, in fact. I sjust seem to to be more comfortable adressing one particular individual, than adressing a mass of people, though I'm attempting to answer a mass of people. Anyway, if I modified it now, it would probabably keep me up all night again, and I'd end up modifying the tone in such a way as to make it artificial, I think. Hmm, Best delivered raw, huh? In spite of it's faults.
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sure if you feel it's best to post it go ahead.
we can do this pissed off thing all over again. :P
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sure if you feel it's best to post it go ahead.
we can do this pissed off thing all over again. :P
Thanks, Bjork . ...um ...Bork? ??? (have I ben mis-spelling your name, all this time? eek)
anyway, thanks ;D
[Ok. Here ‘s that post that kept me up all night. Frankly i’d sooner join in with posting poems right now but it’s probably best to get this off my chest. Hopefully, it explains more than it offends., especially since I really don’t want a long, involved discussion about it. I don't think I have anything left to ad anymore, after this, not even if this discussion continues (not sure, but it looks dead to me, right now). And I'm not really interested in demanding any more answers from Bjork. I think I gave her quite enough of an (accidental) roasting, already.
(continuing from my earlier post to Bjork....)
This story began, for me, shortly after the demise of IntensityI, when I made friends with a man who was very badly hurt (well ,in the midst of a breakdown, IMO, speaking from experience, and without exaggeration). It was clear that a number of people on nlands and Intensity had contributed to his pain, but I wasn’t inclined to believe that any one of those [people had deliberately set out to hurt him, and neither was Pyraxis (who’s friendship with him deepened at around the same time) I don’t think either one of us was interested in assigning blame to anyone, just doing our best to be supportive He really should’ve had professional support, but as a psychologist himself, he was pretty damned wary of other psychologists. He was pretty wary of people who offered him friendship , too, come to that, especially Pyraxis (she does something of Lucifer’s style about her, after all) , but she slowly earned his trust. And mine.
We talked at length about various people who’d played a significant role in neuroman’s life, but not much about Lucifer. I didn’t think her part was especially significant at first (a naïve assumption, on my part, based on the fact that she seldom came up in conversation) but I’ve recently come round to another view . That was pretty much in parallel with Pyraxis calling out Vivi (an event that surprised me as much as anyone) I was just a few days ahead of the rest of the people on this board , in seeing those logs., and the impact of seeing them was relfected in my posts(which quickly lost whatever neutrality thety had to begin with) In the course of reading them (and chatting about it, in private) I’ve come to agree with Pyraxis POV: Lucifer’s assault on neuroman’s mind was pre-wanked like a sex-starved chimp deliberate. I’m pretty convinced that Lucifer hacked Intensity too, just as Pyraxis claims (though I doubt it’s possible to prove that conclusively) And for reasons which I hope to make clear (and probably won’t succeed , but not for lack of trying) I feel obligated to say so.
I don’t expect you’ll agree with Pyaxis, Bjork, , not even if you read those logs, and acceopt that they’re genuine (If they were faked, don’t you think that Lucifer would’ve been the first to say so ?) I don’t tthink that the evidence is strong enough to stand up in this kind of “courtâ€, nor to convince Lucifer’s friends. . I fear that all that’s gonna come of this call-out, is a lot of bad feeling., and pain on both sides. But maybe I’m wrong.= about that. I hope I’m wrong about that, and I can think of ways in which this might do more good than harm, in the long run, after all. (fingers crossed)
Anyway, I’ve come down off my fence, in full support of Pyraxis, because both she and neuroman are friends of mine.,and neither one of them has anything like the full-blooded support that Lucifer has. And I agree with her that publishing those logs was justifiable, under the circmstances. I’m not sure it was sensible, but it was justifiable, IMO.
If Pytraxis and neuroman only had more support, I ‘d leave well alone, ‘cause I don’t think my own support is worth very much on Intensity,. I don’t have any credibility round here, so I’m afraid that my support only harms her case.But maybe it helps her morale. That swings it. I understand all too well how painful it can be to be to be in their position, and how much it can mean to have someone on your side.
You’re thinking of Pryaxis and neuroman as the aggressors in this dispute, so you probably don’t care if they get hurt by it, but I care, of course;
I can well understand your feeling that I’m “butting inâ€. I expected to hear that left-right-and-centre, ‘cause, unlike neuroman, Pyraxis and virtually everybody else round here, I can’t claim to know Lucifer. I surely wouldn’t have the nerve to express an opinion on Lucifer…except that I think it would be craven of me to keep out of this, all things considered. And, as someone who’s more familiar with the aftermath of the Intensity debacle (from neuroman’s POV, that is) than anyone else here (save Pyraxis, and neuroman himself) I do have a few relevant things to say, after all.
In fact, since you ‘re a friend of Lucifer, Bjork, but you don’t know neuroman, I suppose you and I have approximately equal rights to butt in,. (I’m glad I though of that. That makes me feel better about it :))
I wrote a long post to McJ, in which I tried to put these allegations against Vivi into context. I was hoping he (and others) would appreciate, at the very least, why Pyraxis is so flaming angry with Lucifer, even if they believe that she’s wrong.to blame Vivi. But that post only got dismissed by McJ as political propoganda , and otherwise ignored.
Huh. Maybe it’s the way I tell ‘em? When McJ lists all the ills he blames neuroman for, I think he’s wrong to blame neuroman for all that, (and I know too well that his self-righteous tirades against neuroman are having a destructive effect, what’s more)… and yet I can understand his feelings, in that light. I can even symopathise with his feelings, and so can Pyraxis. Believe it or not , she’s even acted as McJ’s apologist, on several occasions, at the risk of undermining neuroman’s trust in her. She’s that fair-minded, believe it or not.
When I made it clear that neuroman wound up in a state that I can only describe as a “breakdown†as a result of all these pressures. I naively imagine that people might be as generous to Pyraxis, as Pyraxis has been to McJ and others. I imagined they might say to themselves “And Pyraxis blames Lucifer for that? Oh! No wonder she’s so angry with Lucifer †irrespective of whether they agree with Pyraxis’ POV.
The hell they do. Even when people point out that Pyraxis and neuroman are in a relationship, IRL, doe that help to validate her feelings? . Oh, no, not in the least That just invalidates her POV, apparently (whilst Lucifer’s close friends claim that gives them a more valid POV than anybody else. And no-one pulls them up for hypocrisy) Because Pyraxis’ feelings are clearly sincere, for a change, they become a target for all kinds of snide, belittling remarks, from Lucifer and everyone else.
And you expect her to care about Lucifer’s feelings? Well, it really looks to me like Lucifer already has a lot more sympathy than most people ever get. and it’s high time Pyraxis got a slice of that pie. Not to mention neuroman. -you know that “sissy lal-la who’s hiding behind his mama’s skirts†.(That shows how much you care about his feelings, doesn’t it? and, btw, what makes you think he isn’t here, Bjork? He’s actually posted several times over, and he didn’t make it hard to guess his identity). Is that how you normally speak to a victim of abuse?
Yes, that’s what he is. A victim of abuse. You can conclude the abuse was unintentiional , if you like, but that doesn’t make it any less real; and that doesn’t undo the damage. Maybe confronting Lucifer (with Pyraxis’; help) will help undo the damage. That’s one good reason why it might be worth pursuing this fiasco, after all..
You say it a personal matter, between thsee two. I wish it was that simple. But it’s all bound up with the fate of Intensity isn’t it? And who’s the public whipping-boy for Intensity’s demise? Neuroman.is. Just consider for a moment that he might be unjustly accused of that, and imagine how that would feel..
In a bitter dispurte like this, it’s usually possible to sympathise with both points of view. In my experience, Pyraxis usually does have sympathy with both sides (not that she goes around with sympathy written all over her , but come down on somebody hard enough, and that usually brings it out, doesn’t it?) How many others here make that effort? IMO, she’s not only supporting somebody she’s close to, but she’s investing her sympathy where it’s actually needed (as usual) . When Lucifer is down, or under attack, she fhas loads of people rallying around her, making sympathetic noises. By contrast, when Neuroman’s been down, or under attack, he’s had so much “tough love†from those who supposedly care, that he can’t tell his friends from his enemies. He’s been reduced to hiding from his friend and enemies alike. Why does that happen? Because he looks like a “sissy-la-la†next to Lucifer? Huh I dunno, but that’s pretty damned sad , if so. . That’s just the kind of thing that happens in the playground isn’t it?
If you think that Lucifer is in danger of breaking under the pressure ,just because one ex-friend of hers is calling her out (well, maybe two, counting Scrapheap) , and a few relatively insignificant members like Hardon and myself are taking her side, and getting predictably hammerered ; well, then, Lucifer must be a whole lot weaker than neuroman is,, because it took a lot more than that to break him. He had the people he thought of as his closest friends,relentless finding fault with him, and making him into a scapegoat before he buckled under the strain.
Well, I do believe (like I said) that a real friend is willing to accept that their friend isn’t perfect, and that they’re sometimes culpable. But that’s surely going much too far towards the opposite extreme. What the heck could he have possibly done to deserve all that? His biggest crime at this juncture, appears to be, that he finally buckled under the strain, couldn’t cope very well with his remaining responsibilities, and couldn’t explain himself to McJ and Sophist’ s satisfaction. Heck, he could barely even talk, a lot of the time. He was reduced to that state of “typing random charactersâ€, again and again and again. And still McJ pursued him wtih his aggressive “tough love†approach, regardless.
Yeah, I‘m sure Pyraxis would be baying for McJ’s blood as well, if she didn’t believe he was well-intentioned. Maybe McJ’s approaches were so devastating , partly because they were too reminiscent of Lucifer? And maybe Lucifer’s approach was so devastating, because it was too reminscent of other things, in his past, IRL (things you’d definitely call abusive, Bjork, without a doubt) ) Like most victims of abuse, he didn’t ever speak out against those things. And maybe speaking out against Lucifer will help him come to terms with all that. It often happens that way. What’s that word? Ah! “Catharsis†. But that’s psychobabble, I suppose. It’s bloody hard to make a statement on this kind of thing without using a bit of psychobabble.
Maybe Lucifer really is as vulnerable as you seem to be suggesting; but if one or two people choose to care about neuroman’s feelings, rather than Lucifer’s , when it comes to crunch; sorry, but I still think that’s only fair and humane. Come the day when Lucifer is actually running short of sympathy, she’ll probably get some sympathy from Pyraxis, (heck, Pyraxis even took Hiro’s part, just because nobody else did, and she thought that even Hiro deserved a sympathetic hearing) but I really don’t think that day is ever coming I think Lucifer will always have sympathisers, come what may
Well, anyway, if this doesn’t explain, to people’s satisfaction, why I’m fighting in Pyraxis’ corner, I give up. Just call me another cold-hearted, manipulative bitch who doesn’t give a damn about poor Lucifer’s feelings. . I can live with that, ‘cause I ‘ve got friends who believe in me. So does Lucifer (loads of ‘em). And so does Pyraxis? (Hmm. Well, I can think of two, both distinctly lacking in credibility round here. But that might have to do ) And so does neuroman? Heck, I very much hope so.
(*sigh* Good luck , Lazarus. Hope I haven’t said anything I shouldn’t have said)
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i just plussed you again.
i didn't read it all, but the gist seemed to be yet more excuses for a grown man.
right?
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look walkie.
i have offered neuroman the olive branch of peace several times. his response: it is easier to walk away.
if he wants to apologise for his part now, then fine. nobody really needs this mindfuck that you and pyraxis are holding now, in his honor.
let him be a man for once and own up to his own responsibilities in all that has happened. as far as i am concerned, it was his weakness that caused all this trouble in the first place. his inability to say his piece.
by you and pyraxis speaking for him now, all you are doing is enabling him. and, imho, not doing what is right by your friend.
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I think we’ll just have to agree to differ, McJ
As I see it: you’ve lost all respect for neuroman, because you now perceive him as weak, right?
I don’t see any possible constructive approach to that problem. And I don’t consider it “weak†to suffer a breakdown. That most often happens when people are too strong for their own good, IMO.
And I believe there’s a pretty big difference between “accepting responsibility†and taking the blame for everything
I think neuroman was right: walking away was probably the only thing to do, sad though that is.
Btw: There’s a bit of a problem with this word filter
med-it-ate =wanked like a P.I.-starved chimp is surely fair enough if I’m talking about meditation, as such. It would probably serve me right
But I didn’t intend to be that offensive to Lucifer, when I used the word pre-, med-it-ated *wince *
I got a bit of a shock, when I read my post back. (trying to look at it through your eyes)
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Bear in mind when you are talking about me that I am often pissed while on here. And what you quoted I believe were two different situtations.
Oh, alright.
:plus: (in spirit, at least. I know it makes no difference)Actually, i feel like plussing nearly everyone right now.
I feel like plussing Bjork, several times over for her immensely gutsy reply to me(hope you're listenng , Bjork,, I s'pect I'll spoil the good atmosphere - though that might be figment of my own imagination- with my next post *sigh* , cause i haven't modified it, and I don't think I should, 'cause I'd never get around to posting it , for one thing.)
well thanks for the compliment. i appreciated your post as well even though the word naive makes me see red. :P
Yeah, doesn't it just! <yikes!>
But, seriously, I really appreciated he insight into your POV (I evidently don't share you POV on that word, but I can certainly relate to it, now)modify your next post if it's not what you want to say, otherwise post it. there's no hurry, here in cyberland there is no time. :P
Good point. But, then, here in Walkieland, there's always the danger that I'll chicken out, if I don't hit "post" pretty fast.
I have two basic problems with that post:
1) I was really pissed-off at the time of writing and it shows. (But then that post of yours, for one handy example- goes to demonstrate that it can often be a good thing, in the final analysis, to write when pissed-off. So I'm not about to revise it, on that score. It just makes me hesitant)
2) I was carrying on from my post to you, and thus adressing you directly, at intervals. But, if you can live with the fact that it's somewhat out-of-place to address it to you, and make a few allowances, I'd rather leave it like that. It's not hugely critical of you. It mostly concerns other people, in fact. I sjust seem to to be more comfortable adressing one particular individual, than adressing a mass of people, though I'm attempting to answer a mass of people. Anyway, if I modified it now, it would probabably keep me up all night again, and I'd end up modifying the tone in such a way as to make it artificial, I think. Hmm, Best delivered raw, huh? In spite of it's faults.
So basically you meant: I was pissed off but now I am not. I am just still thinking about the whole situation here.
There you go, one sentence. No wonder it takes you many hours to write a post.
I am sorry but I don't have the attention span to read the whole of your posts even though I want to.
Oh, and it is me fiddling with the word filter. Lucifer will know when she reads it, I don't think she will be offended over that.
I think I will eliminate those changes I made soon. Randy notices bugger all. ::)
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from my perspective McJ (feel free to correct me McJ) has respect for Neuroman because he refuses to treat him like a weak person. that's what i like about this place, noone gets talked down to. of course there's a time for sympathy and empathy and i don't know if Neuroman needs that or tough love or what. i don't know him. but it seems to me here one always gets that basic level of respect. even if otherwise disliked or mocked or insulted, noone is treated like certain minorities or groups or what have you are treated in the real world; with kidgloves and lots of pity or mollycoddling.
In fact, since you ‘re a friend of Lucifer, Bjork, but you don’t know neuroman, I suppose you and I have approximately equal rights to butt in,. (I’m glad I though of that. That makes me feel better about it :))
touché. :P
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true, bjork. but moreso back when he didn't hide behind other people.
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Just go back to thinking I'm working for my own selfish ends, McJ, irrelevant to what would be "best" for Neuroman. It'll be easier on your worldview.
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Just go back to thinking I'm working for my own selfish ends, McJ, irrelevant to what would be "best" for Neuroman. It'll be easier on your worldview.
::)
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why can't neuroman handle this himself?
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why can't neuroman handle this himself?
Oh nice one, now someone comes up with the most logical Aspie comment ever! ;)
He can't handle it, hence why he is hiding in Pyraxis's apron.
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i think that she has him tied up in a closet and only feeds him cherios and water.
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i think that she has him tied up in a closet and only feeds him cherios and water.
God forbid if he ever tried to feed her his Cheerio!
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from my perspective McJ (feel free to correct me McJ) has respect for Neuroman because he refuses to treat him like a weak person. that's what i like about this place, noone gets talked down to. of course there's a time for sympathy and empathy and i don't know if Neuroman needs that or tough love or what. i don't know him. but it seems to me here one always gets that basic level of respect. even if otherwise disliked or mocked or insulted, noone is treated like certain minorities or groups or what have you are treated in the real world; with kidgloves and lots of pity or mollycoddling.
I don’t think that “tough love†and “empathy†are two different things. I think that “tough love†needs to be practiced with empathy , compassion and respect. Otherwise it isn’t “love†at all, only tough.
It’s too easy to (unconsciosly) inflict your own agenda on people, under the guise of “tough loveâ€. I’m sure most of us here must have had theat experience , from the receiving end. I mean, people trying to stuff us into the standard NT mould for “our own goodâ€? . I certainly have, and it makes me cautious. I don’t think, as an aspie, that I’m somehow immune from making that same kind of mistake
Anyway, my point was that “tough love “ from every which direction (and from people with confictng agendas, what’s more ) is bound to be stressful, in the extreme, not least for an aspie. I don’t see how that can be anything except destructive. And I don’t think the vague suppositon that people IRL would redress the balance would likely hold true for the average aspie (never mind how many “minority groups†he belongs to) Seems like most of us only get more of the same, IRL
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you have already stated that what you hought i was doing is called tough love. and you have stated, i think, that you believe my intentions were pure.
now you state: that “tough love “ from every which direction (and from people with confictng agendas, what’s more ) is bound to be stressful, in the extreme, not least for an aspie.
does this mean that you have conceded that perhaps that is all Lucifer was trying to do? albeit with a different agenda from me, but perhaps with his best interest also in mind?
i am just thinking that it may not have been overt manipulation.
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why can't neuroman handle this himself?
That was my first reaction. I am a newcomer to this saga and still trying to play catch up. I never heard of any of you, except Dunc, (who was listed as a moderator at WP, but never posted while I was there) before I got here, so my stupid comments earlier in both threads were out of place and should be ignored.
I read the early posts and thought that this was merely old blood boiling under the bridge between Lucifer and Pyraxis. Thanks to Walkie's enormous postings and clarifications to Milla, I am getting a clearer picture. I had to plus her efforts to clear the smoke.
As an outsider looking through a fogged spyglass, I see that:
Neuroman helped to start the first Intensity.
There exists some undefined, yet special, relationship between Pyraxis and Neuroman.
There exists some undefined, yet special, relationship between Lucifer and Neuroman.
Neuroman is also somewhat vulnerable (always has been and still is) to the pressures of his own difficult life.
Lucifer and Pyraxis have both an investment of time trying to help Neuroman, although to a questionable result.
McJ, in his own way, also has tried to help Neuroman and again to an end yet undefined.
Something mysterious happened to the first Intensity and no one is quite sure why or how it was brought down.
Neuroman suffered greatly as a result of losing the original site and Pyraxis believes that Lucifer manipulated him into failure, somehow.
Neuroman's only effort to resolve this issue has been to get the old site up and in view and allow Pyraxis access to his private chat logs.
Pyraxis has some animosity with Lucifer's attempts to befriend Neuroman and claims she did him damage.
Lucifer has put this behind her and wonders how many more times she must do so.
Pyraxis believes that casting more light on the situation will help Neuroman to cope.
Neuroman has not shown himself, personally, in this pursuit of justice by Pyraxis, thus, the accusations of his hiding arose.
Pyraxis' main beef with Lucifer is that Lucifer has hurt Neuroman, possibly deeply.
Everybody, but McJ and Pyraxis, want this over and done.
There is no one single person who holds the majority of blame for what has happened.
What else have I missed?
... and where is this going, next?
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:deadhorse:
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:deadhorse:
Am I? The fucking thing is still bleeding. I'm just trying to understand, better.
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Thank you for putting that in order, MDawg.
:plus:
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Thank you for putting that in order, MDawg.
:plus:
Thanks, but I'm waiting to be corrected and have the important points highlighted. I'm totally out of this loop.
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Thank you for putting that in order, MDawg.
:plus:
Thanks, but I'm waiting to be corrected and have the important points highlighted. I'm totally out of this loop.
No, I think you've hit everything right on the head correctly.
I just think McJ has piped in on it, because he actually knows the background info to what happened when the site actually went down.
It seems an awful co-incendence to me that now suddenly the old site is raised from the ashes. Which sort of smacks of trying to lure everyone over to activate the old site...but yeah, I don't know, like you, I wasn't here when it all took place...I just am awfully suspicious of the timing and the fact that Pyraxis has previously admitted that she is quite good at manipulation.
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Thank you for putting that in order, MDawg.
:plus:
Thanks, but I'm waiting to be corrected and have the important points highlighted. I'm totally out of this loop.
Quite understandable, but you did a good job putting the summary together for those of us, like you, who are late to the party. Further, I admire your willingness to admit that you might be wrong and that corrections may need to be made. It is always a treat to encounter an open mind.
:plus:
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:deadhorse:
Am I? The fucking thing is still bleeding. I'm just trying to understand, better.
not aimed at you DD. I'm just sick of hearing about it. for what its worth your analysis seems to be fairly accurate. character assassination and manufactured drama just bores me shitless.
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Sometimes, it pays to be close-minded, like how paedophiles use children for their sexual whims.
Open-minded over close-mindedness -- oxymoron!
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Sometimes, it pays to be close-minded, like how paedophiles use children for their P.I.ual whims.
Open-minded over close-mindedness -- oxymoron!
That went right over my head. Didn't even have to duck. Stratospheric, almost.
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Thank you for putting that in order, MDawg.
:plus:
Thanks, but I'm waiting to be corrected and have the important points highlighted. I'm totally out of this loop.
Quite understandable, but you did a good job putting the summary together for those of us, like you, who are late to the party. Further, I admire your willingness to admit that you might be wrong and that corrections may need to be made. It is always a treat to encounter an open mind.
:plus:
I agree with Mordok, absolutely. Another plus from me (and one for Mordok)
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you have already stated that what you hought i was doing is called tough love. and you have stated, i think, that you believe my intentions were pure.
now you state: that “tough love “ from every which direction (and from people with confictng agendas, what’s more ) is bound to be stressful, in the extreme, not least for an aspie.
does this mean that you have conceded that perhaps that is all Lucifer was trying to do? albeit with a different agenda from me, but perhaps with his best interest also in mind?
i am just thinking that it may not have been overt manipulation.
Hmm. Well, if you can appreciate my POV , thus far, I’m more than happy with that , McJ :)
:plus:
Or to put it another way, I think the question of Lucifer’s intention is irrelevant to the question in hand (and any number of other significant questions) so I’d rather not argue about it
I suppose that I have conceded that point, but I haven’t changed my opinion on Lucifer’s intentions and I don’t want to pretend that I have, so ‘m floundering a bit with my choice of words, for fear I’ll inadvertently give that impression. (fricking aspie fastidious honesty strikes again)
I think there's room for agreement on any number of significant issues, and room to sympathise with both parties, if we only leave that one aside. So don’t press me to agree with you on that particular detail , huh? And I won’t press you, either.
Peace?
~Walkie
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why can't neuroman handle this himself?
That was my first reaction. I am a newcomer to this saga and still trying to play catch up. I never heard of any of you, except Dunc, (who was listed as a moderator at WP, but never posted while I was there) before I got here, so my stupid comments earlier in both threads were out of place and should be ignored.
I read the early posts and thought that this was merely old blood boiling under the bridge between Lucifer and Pyraxis. Thanks to Walkie's enormous postings and clarifications to Milla, I am getting a clearer picture. I had to plus her efforts to clear the smoke.
As an outsider looking through a fogged spyglass, I see that:
Neuroman helped to start the first Intensity.
There exists some undefined, yet special, relationship between Pyraxis and Neuroman.
There exists some undefined, yet special, relationship between Lucifer and Neuroman.
Neuroman is also somewhat vulnerable (always has been and still is) to the pressures of his own difficult life.
Lucifer and Pyraxis have both an investment of time trying to help Neuroman, although to a questionable result.
McJ, in his own way, also has tried to help Neuroman and again to an end yet undefined.
Something mysterious happened to the first Intensity and no one is quite sure why or how it was brought down.
Neuroman suffered greatly as a result of losing the original site and Pyraxis believes that Lucifer manipulated him into failure, somehow.
Neuroman's only effort to resolve this issue has been to get the old site up and in view and allow Pyraxis access to his private chat logs.
Pyraxis has some animosity with Lucifer's attempts to befriend Neuroman and claims she did him damage.
Lucifer has put this behind her and wonders how many more times she must do so.
Pyraxis believes that casting more light on the situation will help Neuroman to cope.
Neuroman has not shown himself, personally, in this pursuit of justice by Pyraxis, thus, the accusations of his hiding arose.
Pyraxis' main beef with Lucifer is that Lucifer has hurt Neuroman, possibly deeply.
Everybody, but McJ and Pyraxis, want this over and done.
There is no one single person who holds the majority of blame for what has happened.
What else have I missed?
... and where is this going, next?
Thanks for making this list, DirtDawg. Thanks also to Walkie for trying to clear things up.
The ones that I bolded are the ones that I think are true as well, not that I necessarily know any more than you do about them. I just see things differently, perhaps.
Neuroman has not shown himself, personally, in this pursuit of justice by Pyraxis, thus, the accusations of his hiding arose.
Neuroman's only effort to resolve this issue has been to get the old site up and in view and allow Pyraxis access to his private chat logs.
Neuroman has posted here on INTENSITY² as Necromancer and more recently Lazarus. In addition, I think he has talked to some people in the past, like McJagger for example, trying to resolve things.
Lucifer has put this behind her and wonders how many more times she must do so.
I don't see how anyone could know this except for Lucifer herself. Maybe she wants to clear this up as much as possible.
Everybody, but McJ and Pyraxis, want this over and done.
I want to understand what happened.
I would like to ask one question, to anyone who may know the answer: Did Lucifer ever have admin access on Neurolands or the first Intensity?
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Neuroman has posted here on INTENSITY² as Necromancer and more recently Lazarus. In addition, I think he has talked to some people in the past, like McJagger for example, trying to resolve things.
I did not know this was the same person.
Lucifer has put this behind her and wonders how many more times she must do so.
I don't see how anyone could know this except for Lucifer herself. Maybe she wants to clear this up as much as possible.
I took everything written at face value, as if it were true. My impressions came from the two active threads, with me trying not to breathe more life into any of the dust.
That's one of the reasons I invited criticism. Some items reflect impression.
Thanks for your thoughts.
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Neuroman has posted here on INTENSITY² as Necromancer and more recently Lazarus. In addition, I think he has talked to some people in the past, like McJagger for example, trying to resolve things.
I did not know this was the same person.
That is complicated.
He also posted as "tinkerjack" as a guest in this call-out with McJagger:
http://www.intensitysquared.com/index.php?topic=122.0
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I would like to ask one question, to anyone who may know the answer: Did Lucifer ever have admin access on Neurolands or the first Intensity?
i asked this question to neuroman directly.
he said that she had admin access to the portal, to ramoth, gestaldt and to mj's site.
but not to the neurolands or intensity.
also, he wondered if she could have gained access to intensity's admin panel due to the fact that she had admin access to the portal....this i cannot answer.
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:deadhorse:
is it dead yet?
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:deadhorse:
is it dead yet?
Once rigor mortis sets in, won't it all disintegrate quickly after that?
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I would like to ask one question, to anyone who may know the answer: Did Lucifer ever have admin access on Neurolands or the first Intensity?
i asked this question to neuroman directly.
he said that she had admin access to the portal, to ramoth, gestaldt and to mj's site.
but not to the neurolands or intensity.
also, he wondered if she could have gained access to intensity's admin panel due to the fact that she had admin access to the portal....this i cannot answer.
Thanks, McJagger. When did you ask Neuroman about this?
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:deadhorse:
is it dead yet?
What does it matter? I'm as bored
as you about this, but it seems that
as long as people want to discuss and
debate the issue, there's nothing wrong
in that.
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he said that she had admin access to the portal, to ramoth, gestaldt and to mj's site.
but not to the neurolands or intensity.
also, he wondered if she could have gained access to intensity's admin panel due to the fact that she had admin access to the portal....this i cannot answer.
Thanks, McJagger. When did you ask Neuroman about this?
He told me the same information approximately a week ago.
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:plus: Dawg. Clear-minded.
There exists some undefined, yet special, relationship between Pyraxis and Neuroman.
We are lovers.
Neuroman's only effort to resolve this issue has been to get the old site up and in view and allow Pyraxis access to his private chat logs.
Untrue. Neuroman and McJagger have been talking behind the scenes, on and off, since it all went down, and I've been trying to mediate between them for almost as long. Neuroman has debated it endlessly. Here (http://forum.neurolands.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?p=12701#12701) is my most recent public confrontation with Neuroman on the issue. There were also a number of other threads on the Neurolands here (http://forum.neurolands.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=569) andhere (http://forum.neurolands.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=588) (the rest are privately archived now, though I might be able to bring them out if you cared), The Drivel (http://www.duncsdrivel.biz/) (I believe the thread archive was lost but you'd have to check with Dunc) Ramoth (http://ramoth.neurolands.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?p=260#260) (you have to be registered; also mostly privately archived) where the whole community discussed it.
Pyraxis' main beef with Lucifer is that Lucifer has hurt Neuroman, possibly deeply.
No, she and I were rivals on WrongPlanet long before I got to know Neuroman. We disagreed about how strict moderation should be and whether political correctness (I'm sure she'd call it something else) should be enforced in the mature forum. She eventually left the mod team, a little while before I did. People here have gotten sidetracked by the Intensity conflict because that's where their emotional investment is, but there was bad blood before that.
There is no one single person who holds the majority of blame for what has happened.
What else have I missed?
... and where is this going, next?
This deserves a thought through reply. Working on it.
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We disagreed about how strict moderation should be and whether political correctness (I'm sure she'd call it something else) should be enforced in the mature forum.
May I ask who was on which side of these issues?
Not that it's particularly relevant to what is going on,
but I'm curious. Also, what effect Alex had on the
decision.
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:deadhorse:
is it dead yet?
Once rigor mortis sets in, won't it all disintegrate quickly after that?
but it's started to smell already. :P
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:deadhorse:
is it dead yet?
Once rigor mortis sets in, won't it all disintegrate quickly after that?
but it's started to smell already. :P
And spreading like a disease apparently ;)...this is supposed to be the Scrap vs Lucifer thread and the debate is over here?
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I would like to ask one question, to anyone who may know the answer: Did Lucifer ever have admin access on Neurolands or the first Intensity?
i asked this question to neuroman directly.
he said that she had admin access to the portal, to ramoth, gestaldt and to mj's site.
but not to the neurolands or intensity.
also, he wondered if she could have gained access to intensity's admin panel due to the fact that she had admin access to the portal....this i cannot answer.
Thanks, McJagger. When did you ask Neuroman about this?
about a week and a half ago.
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There exists some undefined, yet special, relationship between Pyraxis and Neuroman.
We are lovers.
i knew this for a while and never mentioned it in this debate.
just thought i should point that out.
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:deadhorse:
is it dead yet?
Once rigor mortis sets in, won't it all disintegrate quickly after that?
but it's started to smell already. :P
And spreading like a disease apparently ;)...this is supposed to be the Scrap vs Lucifer thread and the debate is over here?
Don't know about it being over or why it ever started, to be frank.
What I did was a faux pas, since I posted regarding a different thread. Maybe that's why no one should come into a call out thread, except the ones involved in teh "Event".
That rule makes more sense, now.
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There exists some undefined, yet special, relationship between Pyraxis and Neuroman.
We are lovers.
i knew this for a while and never mentioned it in this debate.
just thought i should point that out.
Why? Just to toot your own horn?
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There exists some undefined, yet special, relationship between Pyraxis and Neuroman.
We are lovers.
i knew this for a while and never mentioned it in this debate.
just thought i should point that out.
Why? Just to toot your own horn?
nope.
i just thought i should point that out.
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There exists some undefined, yet special, relationship between Pyraxis and Neuroman.
We are lovers.
i knew this for a while and never mentioned it in this debate.
just thought i should point that out.
Why? Just to toot your own horn?
nope.
i just thought i should point that out.
See, I can't think of any REASON otherwise.
And I was hoping that you understood your
motivation. I feel those urges now and then,
and think that I often suppress them.
'Tis as though you are trying to prove that you
are trustworthy, or something.
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There exists some undefined, yet special, relationship between Pyraxis and Neuroman.
We are lovers.
i knew this for a while and never mentioned it in this debate.
just thought i should point that out.
Why? Just to toot your own horn?
nope.
i just thought i should point that out.
See, I can't think of any REASON otherwise.
And I was hoping that you understood your
motivation. I feel those urges now and then,
and think that I often suppress them.
'Tis as though you are trying to prove that you
are trustworthy, or something.
i can keep a secret, if asked.
in the original neuroman debacle, my hand was forced.
that is all. i have nothing to prove. there are several members here who know that i can be trusted. and since the people i care already know, what more is there?
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i can keep a secret, if asked.
in the original neuroman debacle, my hand was forced.
that is all. i have nothing to prove. there are several members here who know that i can be trusted. and since the people i care already know, what more is there?
This is what I would have surmised,
but I wonder WHY you would feel inclined
to mention it, if you had nothing to prove.
It wasn't something funny, and I would expect that
there was some motivation behind the post.
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i can keep a secret, if asked.
in the original neuroman debacle, my hand was forced.
that is all. i have nothing to prove. there are several members here who know that i can be trusted. and since the people i care already know, what more is there?
This is what I would have surmised,
but I wonder WHY you would feel inclined
to mention it, if you had nothing to prove.
It wasn't something funny, and I would expect that
there was some motivation behind the post.
it was a setup for a sexual joke, but you ruined the moment. happy?
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it was a setup for a P.I.ual joke, but you ruined the moment. happy?
No. I'm sorry.
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i knew this for a while and never mentioned it in this debate.
just thought i should point that out.
Appreciated.
You're not the one it was aimed at, Calandale. :P
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i knew this for a while and never mentioned it in this debate.
just thought i should point that out.
Appreciated.
You're not the one it was aimed at, Calandale. :P
Presumably, you would have been aware that he
was being trustworthy - unless you lost information
about who knew. Thus, there was NO need to
tell you this.
But, since it was to be a joke, I do wish I had left it
alone.
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i can keep a secret, if asked.
in the original neuroman debacle, my hand was forced.
that is all. i have nothing to prove. there are several members here who know that i can be trusted. and since the people i care already know, what more is there?
This is what I would have surmised,
but I wonder WHY you would feel inclined
to mention it, if you had nothing to prove.
It wasn't something funny, and I would expect that
there was some motivation behind the post.
it was a setup for a P.I.ual joke, but you ruined the moment. happy?
:asthing:
:laugh:
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pssst.
hey, you!
come closer.
it really wasn't a setup for a joke, i was just bored of the conversation.
shhhh. don't tell.
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he said that she had admin access to the portal, to ramoth, gestaldt and to mj's site.
but not to the neurolands or intensity.
also, he wondered if she could have gained access to intensity's admin panel due to the fact that she had admin access to the portal....this i cannot answer.
Thanks, McJagger. When did you ask Neuroman about this?
He told me the same information approximately a week ago.
Thanks, Pyraxis.
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pssst.
hey, you!
come closer.
it really wasn't a setup for a joke, i was just bored of the conversation.
shhhh. don't tell.
hey me? how close? :eyebrows:
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I would like to ask one question, to anyone who may know the answer: Did Lucifer ever have admin access on Neurolands or the first Intensity?
i asked this question to neuroman directly.
he said that she had admin access to the portal, to ramoth, gestaldt and to mj's site.
but not to the neurolands or intensity.
also, he wondered if she could have gained access to intensity's admin panel due to the fact that she had admin access to the portal....this i cannot answer.
Thanks, McJagger. When did you ask Neuroman about this?
about a week and a half ago.
Thanks again, McJagger.
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I would like to ask one question, to anyone who may know the answer: Did Lucifer ever have admin access on Neurolands or the first Intensity?
i asked this question to neuroman directly.
he said that she had admin access to the portal, to ramoth, gestaldt and to mj's site.
but not to the neurolands or intensity.
also, he wondered if she could have gained access to intensity's admin panel due to the fact that she had admin access to the portal....this i cannot answer.
Thanks, McJagger. When did you ask Neuroman about this?
about a week and a half ago.
Thanks again, McJagger.
could have been roughly a week. time has managed to stand still lately.
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You might want to step out of that vortex before you get sucked into another dimension.
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You might want to step out of that vortex before you get sucked into another dimension.
you know me. i just wanna get sucked.
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I got sucked last night...........
Just not into a vortex. ;D
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I got sucked last night...........
Just not into a vortex. ;D
neat. did you have to have sex with her also?