Nocturnalist, i see you haven't given up. Still the same old boring fart that you were when you started. And maybe that's the problem with Gestalt - too many boring old farts like you running around. You know, the pseudo intellectual dickheads who claim to have degrees up the wazoo and drink chardonnay etc etc..... What these wankers seem to forget is that while they are conducting their tugfests in their cosy little slices of heaven, people outside are actually contributing to forums where people actually give a shit. I mean, what would your membership consist of, compared to the average membership anywhere else, and how many of them whould be people who would be the shit shovellers, the people with the arse out of their tweeds. Probably not many, because like you my friend, they would be all stuck up gits looking down on the rest of us because we don't fit your criteria. Your attitude here speaks volumes on that. Now I've never been one for cliques or private wank sessions, but as far as I'm concerned, if you want to play trouser-snake shakey with the dickheads like Zach and the rest of his ilk, then you are welcome. Just remember to wash your hands before leaving the toilet.