European indigenous people's movement

[Phlexor]

Perhaps you would rather be called DustDawg?

[DirtDawg]

Perhaps you would rather be called DustDawg?

Dawgs are sacred to me. I am of the holy pack, yet, alone in my howling.

[IlluSionS667]

So have I. At the celebrations I visited, I found no indication whatsoever that they were celebrating at the cost of other ethnic groups, races, nationalities, et. You must be confusing the KKK redneck mentallity zith that of a genuine nationalist.

Nope. These people were celebrating their heritage, and specifically a certain Swedish king, while bashing anyone and anything in their way. If you didn't look Swedish, you were in danger.

Maybe so, but that doesn't mean all nationalists behave like that. Your tendency to generalise this pathetic behavior as typical nationalist behavior is no better than racists linking certain types of crime with certain ethnicities. In fact, there is probably more justification for the latter than for your generalisation. Of all the nationalists I've met (and I met quite a few), I can't think of a single one who fits your description.... except for skinheads, from whom I clearly take distance.

[odeon]

So have I. At the celebrations I visited, I found no indication whatsoever that they were celebrating at the cost of other ethnic groups, races, nationalities, et. You must be confusing the KKK redneck mentallity zith that of a genuine nationalist.

Nope. These people were celebrating their heritage, and specifically a certain Swedish king, while bashing anyone and anything in their way. If you didn't look Swedish, you were in danger.

Maybe so, but that doesn't mean all nationalists behave like that. Your tendency to generalise this pathetic behavior as typical nationalist behavior is no better than racists linking certain types of crime with certain ethnicities. In fact, there is probably more justification for the latter than for your generalisation. Of all the nationalists I've met (and I met quite a few), I can't think of a single one who fits your description.... except for skinheads, from whom I clearly take distance.

I see. Because I've seen this behaviour first-hand but you have not, I'm the one generalising? Cool.

[ozymandias]

So have I. At the celebrations I visited, I found no indication whatsoever that they were celebrating at the cost of other ethnic groups, races, nationalities, et. You must be confusing the KKK redneck mentallity zith that of a genuine nationalist.

Nope. These people were celebrating their heritage, and specifically a certain Swedish king, while bashing anyone and anything in their way. If you didn't look Swedish, you were in danger.

Maybe so, but that doesn't mean all nationalists behave like that. Your tendency to generalise this pathetic behavior as typical nationalist behavior is no better than racists linking certain types of crime with certain ethnicities. In fact, there is probably more justification for the latter than for your generalisation. Of all the nationalists I've met (and I met quite a few), I can't think of a single one who fits your description.... except for skinheads, from whom I clearly take distance.

There's nationalists and then there's ultra nationalists.  The KKK and Serb's and albanian's, croat's, russian's, islamic fundamentalists, christian fundamentalists, Jewish Ultra orthodox,  etc, etc, etc, etc.  Are just wearisome examples of how this type of thought goes across the board to all levels of society.

[IlluSionS667]

Maybe so, but that doesn't mean all nationalists behave like that. Your tendency to generalise this pathetic behavior as typical nationalist behavior is no better than racists linking certain types of crime with certain ethnicities. In fact, there is probably more justification for the latter than for your generalisation. Of all the nationalists I've met (and I met quite a few), I can't think of a single one who fits your description.... except for skinheads, from whom I clearly take distance.

I see. Because I've seen this behaviour first-hand but you have not, I'm the one generalising? Cool.

You're the one generalising, because you consider the behavior of one particular group of nationalists as examplary for nationalists in general.

Maybe so, but that doesn't mean all nationalists behave like that. Your tendency to generalise this pathetic behavior as typical nationalist behavior is no better than racists linking certain types of crime with certain ethnicities. In fact, there is probably more justification for the latter than for your generalisation. Of all the nationalists I've met (and I met quite a few), I can't think of a single one who fits your description.... except for skinheads, from whom I clearly take distance.

There's nationalists and then there's ultra nationalists.  The KKK and Serb's and albanian's, croat's, russian's, islamic fundamentalists, christian fundamentalists, Jewish Ultra orthodox,  etc, etc, etc, etc.  Are just wearisome examples of how this type of thought goes across the board to all levels of society.[/quote]

Most nationalists that I know are actually ultra-nationalists. Hell, I even met David Duke when he last visited my country.

[odeon]

Me, generalising? Allow me to quote the comment I made re *some* nationalists (I've marked the relevant passage with bold and red to make it easier for you).

I understand what you are saying but in America we are more specific there are plenty of organizations for different cultural heritages.  The only white only ones are the ones that think they are better than everyone else

That's what the media tells you to believe. They want you to believe that pride of one's heritage equals supremacism when it involved white people. That's just plain rubbish.

Even if it were true that all white groups of this nature are groups of supremacists, than what about all those groups that promote Jewish supremacism? Why can a Jew say he's superior to gentiles without any herassment by liberals?

The problem when some of the nationalists you have such a nave view on are celebrating their heritage is that they do it at the cost of other ethnic groups, races, nationalities, etc, and that's always wrong.

And I don't need the media to tell me how they celebrate. I've witnessed such "celebrations" first-hand. Yes, rubbish was among the words that crossed my mind.

[IlluSionS667]

Me, generalising? Allow me to quote the comment I made re *some* nationalists (I've marked the relevant passage with bold and red to make it easier for you).

If you do not see this behavior as an indication of nationalist behavior in general, then why do you even bother to mention it? How is the behavior of a minority among nationalists relevant?

[TheoK]

[IlluSionS667]

Any comments to go with that?

[TheoK]

Nice song, isn't it?

[IlluSionS667]

Nice song, isn't it?

I can't turn on the volume out here, so I don't know....

[Callaway]

Most nationalists that I know are actually ultra-nationalists. Hell, I even met David Duke when he last visited my country.

Meeting David Duke must have been such an honor for you, Illusion.

He says that he is a "white nationalist" too.

David Ernest Duke (born July 1, 1950) is a former Louisiana State Representative, a candidate in presidential primaries for the Democratic and Republican parties, and former Grand Wizard of the Knights of the Ku Klux Klan.[2][3][4][5][6][7]

David Duke has taught a course in History and International Relations at the Ukrainian Interregional Academy of Personnel Management (MAUP). Duke's critics commonly refer to him as a white supremacist, but Duke says he is a white nationalist. Duke denies being a racist and says he is a racial realist and, "all people have a basic human right to preserve their own heritage."[8] He speaks in favor of racial segregation and white separatism.[9][10][11]

Duke unsuccessfully ran for the Louisiana Senate, U.S. Senate, U.S. House of Representatives, Governor of Louisiana and twice for President of the United States.

[TheoK]

The problem is that the "decent" politicians in Europe and America won't discuss the matter of immigration at all. If you don't like mass immigration and want something done about it, you simply have to vote for people like David Duke.

[IlluSionS667]

Can't turn on the volume? Why?

Walls have ears.

Most nationalists that I know are actually ultra-nationalists. Hell, I even met David Duke when he last visited my country.

Meeting David Duke must have been such an honor for you, Illusion.

I have somewhat mixed feelings about him. On one hand I admire him for standing up against Jewish supremacism in the US and for being a skillful orator, while on the other hand I question his character for eg. having been a member of the KKK and having a girlfriend who could be his daughter.

The problem is that the "decent" politicians in Europe and America won't discuss the matter of immigration at all. If you don't like mass immigration and want something done about it, you simply have to vote for people like David Duke.

True. When everyone is corrupted, someone like David Duke seems to be the lesser evil.