INTENSITY²
Politics, Mature and taboo => Political Pundits => Topic started by: Yuri Bezmenov on December 20, 2018, 05:42:51 PM
-
Mad Dog finally had enough of Trump's shit.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/mattis-resigns-as-defense-chief-citing-differences-with-trump/ar-BBReYyY?ocid=spartanntp
-
Trying to figure out who he'll put in charge now. On FB, my first guess was Kucinich.
Then Lennon, but the Senate might not confirm him - being dead and all.
I think it'll be Barbara Lee.
-
Trying to figure out who he'll put in charge now. On FB, my first guess was Kucinich.
Then Lennon, but the Senate might not confirm him - being dead and all.
I think it'll be Barbara Lee.
Probably Ted Nugent.
-
Damn.
Do you know why Mattis wanted to remain in Syria and Trump wanted the US out?
-
Damn.
Do you know why Mattis wanted to remain in Syria and Trump wanted the US out?
From what I can see, short story, Mattis planned to stay until the end and a political solution to the civil war established. Trump's objectives didn't expand beyond defeating ISIS, so he's calling it job done. Plus, it was a campaign promise.
-
The resignation letter was rather telling.
-
You'd think the Kurds would learn by now. But, I guess they have no real choice
with Syria-Russia-Iran all cozy together, and Turkey their sworn enemy.
-
Mattis is a warrior chief. War and conflict is what he knows. There will always be another conflict, another madman Authoritarian, another, another enemy.
Is this America's war? If so why?
Of course Mattis is not wanting to withdraw from Syria. Of course Trump would.
-
Early Christmas present for Putin.
-
You'd think iraq, afghanistan, both are so recent in history that he'd learn the lesson.
If you start trashing a country, pissing tons of people off big time, or exterminating some group of scumbags, be it the taliban, or saddam (not that in that case there was just cause for war, Saddam was a major-league dick, to be sure, but the WMD excuse, if they had anything, it might have been a forgotton sarin or mustard shell loaded into a rusted, useless wreck of an old ass howitzer, or something like that, loaded and left unfired, while the iraqi army fucked off, etc.. No stash ever found, and never will be either)
You leave a conflict like that un-finished, and look what happens, a power vacuum gets created. And what happens when you have a power vacuum? some group fills it. There might not be many nastier than ISIS but there are plenty of nasty packs of fundamentalist arseholes in the middle east. Leave the place a smoking wreck and don't bother finishing the job and tidying it up, people there, citizens, I mean, are going to hate your guts, and be ready for a scrap the next time the US interferes in syria. PISSED, because their homes were destroyed, families killed, etc. thats going to piss any nation off, big time.
And now the ISIS forces have more or less been given a good kicking, who is going to end up in their place. At least in afghanistan we tried to ensure there was a government. Syria is just a smoking crater, where chances are kids are going to be accidentally setting off unexploded ordnance for a long time to come and ending up as meatpaste. Government? WHAT government?
And assuming we haven't got each and every ISIS tosser, one left, means one still alive to espouse the same shit and try and get them going again.
Trump is a fucking moron, if you start a job, finish it. Or do not start it in the first place.
Of course in this case, not starting wasn't an option, ISIS had to go, because they were a murderous, raping, slave-dealing ancient archaeological site-defiling islamic sack of shit, and they needed to be burnt out of their hidey-holes, but to just walk off after the job is 3/4 done, thats asking for it.
Trump is one stupid bastard.
-
Mattis is a warrior chief. War and conflict is what he knows. There will always be another conflict, another madman Authoritarian, another, another enemy.
Is this America's war? If so why?
Of course Mattis is not wanting to withdraw from Syria. Of course Trump would.
Just because it isn't doesn't mean we should reasonably be leaving our allies in the lurch
with a surprise withdrawal.
In a sense though, our commitment to the Kurds put us in a terrible situation. Their continued
existence will do so again and again. The best answer is to swallow the pill, and support a combined
effort by Erdogan and Assad to exterminate them, abandon these nations to their (and piss-boi's) master,
and work on what the Cheeto's supporters really desire - continuing to try and bring the apocalypse about.
-
Now he's talking about getting out of Afghanistan LOL. Liberals and Neocons are having a fit :hitler: You have retarded liberals crowing for someone called "Mad Dog". You've exposed yourself you fucking morons. When you are criticising ending wars you have lost your minds. You don't have a leg to stand on. Russiagate is a dud and your Putin claims fall apart when Trump is talking about getting out of Afghanistan. You're done. I'm enjoying your salty tears bitches :hahaha:
-
(https://i.imgur.com/PEQSgxi.jpg)
Welcome back Benji...you're late.
-
I remember in Bush's term that all of us on the Left said we wanted America to stop picking fights in the Middle East and how it was not our fight.
Times change but I don't
-
Early Christmas present for Putin.
Money well spent.
-
Early Christmas present for Putin.
Money well spent.
....and no sense was made
-
I remember in Bush's term that all of us on the Left said we wanted America to stop picking fights in the Middle East and how it was not our fight.
It wasn't. And it was stupid as shit - because there's no good way out.
The cheeto shows a terrible choice though.
-
Early Christmas present for Putin.
Money well spent.
Enough of the 'Russiagate' conspiracy theory. If you think that Russia affected the result via $4700 of Google ads then just :lol1: There's zero evidence that Putin gave Trump money.
But just prepare to look very silly
https://www.politico.com/story/2018/10/19/mueller-investigation-findings-914754
-
Is this America's war? If so why?
The short (and honorable) answer would be Islamist terrorism.
I'm sure they have plenty of totally shabby motivations as well, though, as usual.
There's an argument that USA involvement in the Middle East has functioned more as a cause than a cure. I don't doubt that, but that's historical. Here and now, in the UK at least, the general feeling is of shock that Trump should pull out of a job that's clearly not finished, together with concern for the fate of the Kurds now they've lost US backing.
This report from al-Jazeera is prertty much in line with UK news reports:
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2018/12/syria-battle-isil-pullout-plan-181220065940371.html
Personally, I'm pretty much a pacifist, but have to accept that the argument that ISIS need putting down is every bit as strong. IMO, as the argument that the Nazis needed putting down. i.e. War , in this instance, might well constitute the lesser evil. :(
-
Early Christmas present for Putin.
Money well spent.
Enough of the 'Russiagate' conspiracy theory. If you think that Russia affected the result via $4700 of Google ads then just :lol1: There's zero evidence that Putin gave Trump money.
But just prepare to look very silly
https://www.politico.com/story/2018/10/19/mueller-investigation-findings-914754
Benji dear, you still have reading comprehension issues. I didn't say Putin gave Trump money.
-
Early Christmas present for Putin.
Money well spent.
....and no sense was made
Considering your other posts on the subject, I can see that you'd think so.
-
Is this America's war? If so why?
The short (and honorable) answer would be Islamist terrorism.
If we weren't injecting ourselves into the Near East, there wouldn't be an Islamic terror threat in the West.
-
If we weren't injecting ourselves into the Near East, there wouldn't be an Islamic terror threat in the West.
True, but one can say that if you stir up a hornets nest, then you have some responsibility for the consequences. Stirring up the nest then running away is more like the action of some malevolent little kid. What;s more (and again from a British perspective) we have enough home-grown Islamists over here that extricating ourselves from the problem just by running away from it is pretty much impossible.
(By the way, note that I'm using the term "Islamist" not "Islamic" . I do think it's important to respect that distinction. Not all Muslims are Islamists, thank goodness) )
-
Is this America's war? If so why?
The short (and honorable) answer would be Islamist terrorism.
I'm sure they have plenty of totally shabby motivations as well, though, as usual.
There's an argument that USA involvement in the Middle East has functioned more as a cause than a cure. I don't doubt that, but that's historical. Here and now, in the UK at least, the general feeling is of shock that Trump should pull out of a job that's clearly not finished, together with concern for the fate of the Kurds now they've lost US backing.
This report from al-Jazeera is prertty much in line with UK news reports:
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2018/12/syria-battle-isil-pullout-plan-181220065940371.html
Personally, I'm pretty much a pacifist, but have to accept that the argument that ISIS need putting down is every bit as strong. IMO, as the argument that the Nazis needed putting down. i.e. War , in this instance, might well constitute the lesser evil. :(
Yup, that actually is a decent counter-argument but i am afraid that in my mind it is just a way of perpetuating a war.
See in my way of thinking, there is always going to be a situation in which there are terrorists and Authoritarian regimes and human rights issues in the Middle East. There is always going to be a "good reason" to stay in the Middle East if we are looking for one. We would like their laws, attitudes and mores to align with ours and we want them to adopt ours as theirs.
There is always a reason to continue the war you are in. Kill the top three leaders in ISIS now previous the 4th, 5th and 6th highest ranked members have become the top three leaders. Wipe out 80% and you still have 20% left and those numbers will rise with heavy recruitment.There is always another battle to fight.
The idea that some America President had reasons good or ill to go in, doesnt mean that a different President should stay for staying's sake.
Not that it should be an off the cuff decision or flippant. But America is not obliged to be there because they are there now
-
Early Christmas present for Putin.
Money well spent.
Enough of the 'Russiagate' conspiracy theory. If you think that Russia affected the result via $4700 of Google ads then just :lol1: There's zero evidence that Putin gave Trump money.
But just prepare to look very silly
https://www.politico.com/story/2018/10/19/mueller-investigation-findings-914754
Benji dear, you still have reading comprehension issues. I didn't say Putin gave Trump money.
No, Benji is right.
Russiagate is bullshit and was from the get go. Trump was not influenced by nor conspired with Putin and those still throw this around for consideration are disingenuous at best.
There were many reasons Trump won but Russian interference was hardly one of them. Russians did interfere no more than and no more severely than they have any other election since the cold war. This Russia colluded with Trump to steal the election or Trump is Putin's puppet or Hillary would have won if not for Putin, is misinformed at best.
-
If we weren't injecting ourselves into the Near East, there wouldn't be an Islamic terror threat in the West.
True, but one can say that if you stir up a hornets nest, then you have some responsibility for the consequences. Stirring up the nest then running away is more like the action of some malevolent little kid. What;s more (and again from a British perspective) we have enough home-grown Islamists over here that extricating ourselves from the problem just by running away from it is pretty much impossible.
(By the way, note that I'm using the term "Islamist" not "Islamic" . I do think it's important to respect that distinction. Not all Muslims are Islamists, thank goodness) )
Thankfully most of us here know the difference.
-
If we weren't injecting ourselves into the Near East, there wouldn't be an Islamic terror threat in the West.
True, but one can say that if you stir up a hornets nest, then you have some responsibility for the consequences. Stirring up the nest then running away is more like the action of some malevolent little kid. What;s more (and again from a British perspective) we have enough home-grown Islamists over here that extricating ourselves from the problem just by running away from it is pretty much impossible.
(By the way, note that I'm using the term "Islamist" not "Islamic" . I do think it's important to respect that distinction. Not all Muslims are Islamists, thank goodness) )
This makes me think of something recently said, about the possible future path of the US taking a more passive role in world leadership, and how that makes some countries nervous because they might have to take on more responsibility instead of privately supporting the US while publicly sneering about how the US should mind its own business. Trump didn't make this decision on his own, and it's hopefully the direction the US will be taking with or without him.
-
When you are criticising ending wars you have lost your minds.
Welcome back.
-
If we weren't injecting ourselves into the Near East, there wouldn't be an Islamic terror threat in the West.
True, but one can say that if you stir up a hornets nest, then you have some responsibility for the consequences. Stirring up the nest then running away is more like the action of some malevolent little kid.
Which would make sense, if we had a coherent, stable stance. But, democracies are inherently victims
of multiple personality disorder, and shouldn't be trusted. Which is part of why Hitler had an easier
time finding allies in WWII than the Allies did, early on.
-
Early Christmas present for Putin.
Money well spent.
Enough of the 'Russiagate' conspiracy theory. If you think that Russia affected the result via $4700 of Google ads then just :lol1: There's zero evidence that Putin gave Trump money.
But just prepare to look very silly
https://www.politico.com/story/2018/10/19/mueller-investigation-findings-914754
Benji dear, you still have reading comprehension issues. I didn't say Putin gave Trump money.
No, Benji is right.
Nope. Odeon wrote something that could be misconstrued, but seems more
likely to be as he represented it.
Russiagate is bullshit and was from the get go. Trump was not influenced by nor conspired with Putin and those still throw this around for consideration are disingenuous at best.
There are some VERY odd situations surrounding the CiC campaign, if this is the case. Clearly, there was some element
of collusion, but the question is whether it violates more than the Logan Act. Which would still be illegal...but.
All the same, both Nixon and Reagan were elected after having committed more questionable acts, with regard
to foreign dealing. Seems to be a part of the Republican playbook.
On the other hand, so long as he's so clearly in violation of the fucking Emoluments Clause, none of this
really matters. I mean, this shit is core to the concept that the founders had of corruption. How any
of those who respect the originalist view can stomach this is so beyond me - except that they too are
corrupt to the core. Not sure why they hate Make Pastey so much.
-
This makes me think of something recently said, about the possible future path of the US taking a more passive role in world leadership, and how that makes some countries nervous because they might have to take on more responsibility instead of privately supporting the US while publicly sneering about how the US should mind its own business. Trump didn't make this decision on his own, and it's hopefully the direction the US will be taking with or without him.
I have mixed views on this. Selfishly, yes. I wish the US could get off the world center stage. Ideologically too.
Unfortunately, reality creeps in. When the US (or leading power) has withdrawn, things get much much worse
historically. This was the great lesson of two world wars. Superpowers are likely to do terrible things - but that price
might be necessary.
-
If we weren't injecting ourselves into the Near East, there wouldn't be an Islamic terror threat in the West.
True, but one can say that if you stir up a hornets nest, then you have some responsibility for the consequences. Stirring up the nest then running away is more like the action of some malevolent little kid. What;s more (and again from a British perspective) we have enough home-grown Islamists over here that extricating ourselves from the problem just by running away from it is pretty much impossible.
(By the way, note that I'm using the term "Islamist" not "Islamic" . I do think it's important to respect that distinction. Not all Muslims are Islamists, thank goodness) )
This makes me think of something recently said, about the possible future path of the US taking a more passive role in world leadership, and how that makes some countries nervous because they might have to take on more responsibility instead of privately supporting the US while publicly sneering about how the US should mind its own business. Trump didn't make this decision on his own, and it's hopefully the direction the US will be taking with or without him.
Yes I think this is pretty fair. The US should NOT be the world police. It does not mean that the US cannot pick the fights that it should be involved in BUT there ought not be that EXPECTATION nor should it be US's responsibility.
The "privately supporting the US while publicly sneering about how the US should mind its own business" is bullshit and there is no reason ANYONE should put up with the ingratitude.
-
Early Christmas present for Putin.
Money well spent.
Enough of the 'Russiagate' conspiracy theory. If you think that Russia affected the result via $4700 of Google ads then just :lol1: There's zero evidence that Putin gave Trump money.
But just prepare to look very silly
https://www.politico.com/story/2018/10/19/mueller-investigation-findings-914754
Benji dear, you still have reading comprehension issues. I didn't say Putin gave Trump money.
No, Benji is right.
Russiagate is bullshit and was from the get go. Trump was not influenced by nor conspired with Putin and those still throw this around for consideration are disingenuous at best.
There were many reasons Trump won but Russian interference was hardly one of them. Russians did interfere no more than and no more severely than they have any other election since the cold war. This Russia colluded with Trump to steal the election or Trump is Putin's puppet or Hillary would have won if not for Putin, is misinformed at best.
They should have appointed you or Benji instead of that disingenuous Mueller fellow. :lol1:
-
This makes me think of something recently said, about the possible future path of the US taking a more passive role in world leadership, and how that makes some countries nervous because they might have to take on more responsibility instead of privately supporting the US while publicly sneering about how the US should mind its own business. Trump didn't make this decision on his own, and it's hopefully the direction the US will be taking with or without him.
I have mixed views on this. Selfishly, yes. I wish the US could get off the world center stage. Ideologically too.
Unfortunately, reality creeps in. When the US (or leading power) has withdrawn, things get much much worse
historically. This was the great lesson of two world wars. Superpowers are likely to do terrible things - but that price
might be necessary.
Also, in the case of both Syria and Afghanistan, the US were part of creating, or at least enabling, the mess to begin with and shouldn't expect someone else to clean it up for them. But I guess Trump realises there are no Trump Tower prospects to be had in either place.
-
This could have been written for Mueller
(https://rashmanly.files.wordpress.com/2018/04/28fieb1.jpg)
-
This makes me think of something recently said, about the possible future path of the US taking a more passive role in world leadership, and how that makes some countries nervous because they might have to take on more responsibility instead of privately supporting the US while publicly sneering about how the US should mind its own business. Trump didn't make this decision on his own, and it's hopefully the direction the US will be taking with or without him.
I have mixed views on this. Selfishly, yes. I wish the US could get off the world center stage. Ideologically too.
Unfortunately, reality creeps in. When the US (or leading power) has withdrawn, things get much much worse
historically. This was the great lesson of two world wars. Superpowers are likely to do terrible things - but that price
might be necessary.
Also, in the case of both Syria and Afghanistan, the US were part of creating, or at least enabling, the mess to begin with and shouldn't expect someone else to clean it up for them. But I guess Trump realises there are no Trump Tower prospects to be had in either place.
Depends who "they" is and what constitutes "cleaning it up"?
How many years of cleaning things up in Afghanistan? How many more years and casualties and billions of dollars ought America put into the "clean up operation"?
If you are not really firm on this and your moral, a Presidency decades ago started it so therefore every Presidency from that point on is intrinsically tied to that position good or bad and those reasons good or bad and is responsible to stay there until a somewhat vaguely defined standard of conditions are met and maintained, then they can never leave, I think you are dead wrong.
-
This makes me think of something recently said, about the possible future path of the US taking a more passive role in world leadership, and how that makes some countries nervous because they might have to take on more responsibility instead of privately supporting the US while publicly sneering about how the US should mind its own business. Trump didn't make this decision on his own, and it's hopefully the direction the US will be taking with or without him.
I have mixed views on this. Selfishly, yes. I wish the US could get off the world center stage. Ideologically too.
Unfortunately, reality creeps in. When the US (or leading power) has withdrawn, things get much much worse
historically. This was the great lesson of two world wars. Superpowers are likely to do terrible things - but that price
might be necessary.
Also, in the case of both Syria and Afghanistan, the US were part of creating, or at least enabling, the mess to begin with and shouldn't expect someone else to clean it up for them. But I guess Trump realises there are no Trump Tower prospects to be had in either place.
Meh. No one cares much about culpability. It does't come into realpolitik.
-
This makes me think of something recently said, about the possible future path of the US taking a more passive role in world leadership, and how that makes some countries nervous because they might have to take on more responsibility instead of privately supporting the US while publicly sneering about how the US should mind its own business. Trump didn't make this decision on his own, and it's hopefully the direction the US will be taking with or without him.
I have mixed views on this. Selfishly, yes. I wish the US could get off the world center stage. Ideologically too.
Unfortunately, reality creeps in. When the US (or leading power) has withdrawn, things get much much worse
historically. This was the great lesson of two world wars. Superpowers are likely to do terrible things - but that price
might be necessary.
Like you said, there's no good way out. Will settle for a bad way out.
-
If we weren't injecting ourselves into the Near East, there wouldn't be an Islamic terror threat in the West.
True, but one can say that if you stir up a hornets nest, then you have some responsibility for the consequences. Stirring up the nest then running away is more like the action of some malevolent little kid. What;s more (and again from a British perspective) we have enough home-grown Islamists over here that extricating ourselves from the problem just by running away from it is pretty much impossible.
(By the way, note that I'm using the term "Islamist" not "Islamic" . I do think it's important to respect that distinction. Not all Muslims are Islamists, thank goodness) )
This makes me think of something recently said, about the possible future path of the US taking a more passive role in world leadership, and how that makes some countries nervous because they might have to take on more responsibility instead of privately supporting the US while publicly sneering about how the US should mind its own business. Trump didn't make this decision on his own, and it's hopefully the direction the US will be taking with or without him.
Yes I think this is pretty fair. The US should NOT be the world police. It does not mean that the US cannot pick the fights that it should be involved in BUT there ought not be that EXPECTATION nor should it be US's responsibility.
The "privately supporting the US while publicly sneering about how the US should mind its own business" is bullshit and there is no reason ANYONE should put up with the ingratitude.
This crap has been circling my entire lifetime. If the Trump admistration takes the opportunity to take a big step back from it all, am in support of that.
-
This makes me think of something recently said, about the possible future path of the US taking a more passive role in world leadership, and how that makes some countries nervous because they might have to take on more responsibility instead of privately supporting the US while publicly sneering about how the US should mind its own business. Trump didn't make this decision on his own, and it's hopefully the direction the US will be taking with or without him.
I have mixed views on this. Selfishly, yes. I wish the US could get off the world center stage. Ideologically too.
Unfortunately, reality creeps in. When the US (or leading power) has withdrawn, things get much much worse
historically. This was the great lesson of two world wars. Superpowers are likely to do terrible things - but that price
might be necessary.
Also, in the case of both Syria and Afghanistan, the US were part of creating, or at least enabling, the mess to begin with and shouldn't expect someone else to clean it up for them. But I guess Trump realises there are no Trump Tower prospects to be had in either place.
The US doesn't have to bow out completely. It can be a silent financial backer in the cleanup, while someone else stands up front for a change, taking the blame or credit or whatever people want to call it. Recall saying here years ago, European countries will eventually have to step up to the plate. Only I expected that would be orchestrated around a catastrophe like 9/11, to make it appear justified to the general public. If the US's final play as the badguy is to step back, then it seems so much better than what was anticipated.
-
This makes me think of something recently said, about the possible future path of the US taking a more passive role in world leadership, and how that makes some countries nervous because they might have to take on more responsibility instead of privately supporting the US while publicly sneering about how the US should mind its own business. Trump didn't make this decision on his own, and it's hopefully the direction the US will be taking with or without him.
I have mixed views on this. Selfishly, yes. I wish the US could get off the world center stage. Ideologically too.
Unfortunately, reality creeps in. When the US (or leading power) has withdrawn, things get much much worse
historically. This was the great lesson of two world wars. Superpowers are likely to do terrible things - but that price
might be necessary.
Like you said, there's no good way out. Will settle for a bad way out.
Yeah? Let's hope it's no worse than Vietnam. We haven't dared leave Europe or Korea.
I suspect the Near East is more important than any of these except Europe.
The withdrawal from Afghanistan (as did the cost of being there) helped take the USSR down.
Collapse of the US wouldn't be the worst case scenario here. But hey, at least we know we have
the 'best people ' and a 'very very large brain' working on this, so I'm sure it will work out well.
-
The US doesn't have to bow out completely. It can be a silent financial backer in the cleanup, while someone else stands up front for a change, taking the blame or credit or whatever people want to call it.
Really? Who? Russia? Iran? They're not going to work as our proxies, I think.
Recall saying here years ago, European countries will eventually have to step up to the plate.
They ain't stupid enough to fix our problem here. It means way less to them than to us.
If the US's final play as the badguy is to step back, then it seems so much better than what was anticipated.
Let's see if we're willing to fade into the background like Spain and Portugal - or if there will be death
throes as there were with the disintegration of the British Empire.
-
No, Russiagate was bullshit and cooked up by Hillary
-
Meanwhile....Melania has decorated the White House in preparation for the upcoming Christmas holiday...
(https://i.imgur.com/vw7u4eTm.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/MEdcKoHm.jpg)
-
Meanwhile....Melania has decorated the White House in preparation for the upcoming Christmas holiday...
(https://i.imgur.com/vw7u4eTm.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/MEdcKoHm.jpg)
Nice European look
-
This makes me think of something recently said, about the possible future path of the US taking a more passive role in world leadership, and how that makes some countries nervous because they might have to take on more responsibility instead of privately supporting the US while publicly sneering about how the US should mind its own business. Trump didn't make this decision on his own, and it's hopefully the direction the US will be taking with or without him.
I have mixed views on this. Selfishly, yes. I wish the US could get off the world center stage. Ideologically too.
Unfortunately, reality creeps in. When the US (or leading power) has withdrawn, things get much much worse
historically. This was the great lesson of two world wars. Superpowers are likely to do terrible things - but that price
might be necessary.
Also, in the case of both Syria and Afghanistan, the US were part of creating, or at least enabling, the mess to begin with and shouldn't expect someone else to clean it up for them. But I guess Trump realises there are no Trump Tower prospects to be had in either place.
Meh. No one cares much about culpability. It does't come into realpolitik.
This will come back to bite them in the ass, though, which is why they shouldn't quit now. It is realpolitik.
-
No, Russiagate was bullshit and cooked up by Hillary
Funny how Don Jr., Manafort, and others in the campaign were so willing to help her.
Even more so Putin, who really has a bone to pick with her.
But yeah, I'm sure you're right. Hell, maybe even cheeto boi himself is in on Hillary's plot.
Remember, he called slick willie for advice, before running. :grouphug:
-
The US doesn't have to bow out completely. It can be a silent financial backer in the cleanup, while someone else stands up front for a change, taking the blame or credit or whatever people want to call it.
Really? Who? Russia? Iran? They're not going to work as our proxies, I think.
Recall saying here years ago, European countries will eventually have to step up to the plate.
They ain't stupid enough to fix our problem here. It means way less to them than to us.
If the US's final play as the badguy is to step back, then it seems so much better than what was anticipated.
Let's see if we're willing to fade into the background like Spain and Portugal - or if there will be death
throes as there were with the disintegration of the British Empire.
Yes, Russia and Iran; what's the alternative to avoid that? They have a stronger hold, and would seriously hope US intentions in Syria never involve battling either of them. While my views are also a bit selfish and ideological, that's where reality creeps in. US involvement in Syria was a mistake. US withdrawal is an excellent humanitarian and diplomacy opportunity for countries which are already carrying the burden of relief. If they step up and do something about it remains to be seen. It may not appear important to them to clean up the mess, but seems a smart thing to do if they're interested in sending refugees home.
-
This makes me think of something recently said, about the possible future path of the US taking a more passive role in world leadership, and how that makes some countries nervous because they might have to take on more responsibility instead of privately supporting the US while publicly sneering about how the US should mind its own business. Trump didn't make this decision on his own, and it's hopefully the direction the US will be taking with or without him.
I have mixed views on this. Selfishly, yes. I wish the US could get off the world center stage. Ideologically too.
Unfortunately, reality creeps in. When the US (or leading power) has withdrawn, things get much much worse
historically. This was the great lesson of two world wars. Superpowers are likely to do terrible things - but that price
might be necessary.
Like you said, there's no good way out. Will settle for a bad way out.
Yeah? Let's hope it's no worse than Vietnam. We haven't dared leave Europe or Korea.
I suspect the Near East is more important than any of these except Europe.
The withdrawal from Afghanistan (as did the cost of being there) helped take the USSR down.
Collapse of the US wouldn't be the worst case scenario here. But hey, at least we know we have
the 'best people ' and a 'very very large brain' working on this, so I'm sure it will work out well.
To the point of the very large brain, it strikes as ironic trump is criticized as simple minded and unstable, yet wish him to continue leading the US military in long term engagements with such complicated geopolitical factors at play.
-
ISIS is not yet gone, Jack, and Russia is not particularly interested in making it so unless it helps them. They are there to help their ally, the president who had no problems with gassing his citizens, and to make sure that their interests in the region remain protected.
Iran, of course, is interested in defeating what remains of ISIS, but they're not the best of friends with the US as you know, and few others are interested in them taking any kind of active military role in the region. Quite the opposite.
I think pretty much everybody but Russia would prefer someone else - anyone else - than Trump to lead the US, and they would all like to see someone a bit more predictable and stable to do the leading.
The US can certainly retreat from the region but don't fool yourself by thinking that it will help anything.
-
Yes, Russia and Iran; what's the alternative to avoid that? They have a stronger hold, and would seriously hope US intentions in Syria never involve battling either of them. While my views are also a bit selfish and ideological, that's where reality creeps in. US involvement in Syria was a mistake. US withdrawal is an excellent humanitarian and diplomacy opportunity for countries which are already carrying the burden of relief. If they step up and do something about it remains to be seen. It may not appear important to them to clean up the mess, but seems a smart thing to do if they're interested in sending refugees home.
Oh, ok. Yes, I'm sure if we surrender the Near East to Russian dominance, that's a great plan.
Was Syria a mistake? If we hadn't fucked it all up in Iraq, it wouldn't have been necessary.
Given that though, there really were no 'good' options. The best (realpolitik) probably would
have been supporting Isis covertly. But boy, what a tightrope to keep that from blowing up
in our faces.
The nation couldn't stand for a real robust reaction in the region.
Injecting ourselves was probably the best feasible option, dealt a terrible hand.
Unfortunately, it meant long term, low grade involvement. Something we could
have maintained. The really sad thing is that the one ally we're pleasing with pulling
out - is the one which our presence in the region is perhaps the only long-term bulwark
against them being forced to align with Russia, in the long run.
Putin hit the jackpot with this joker.
-
ISIS is not yet gone, Jack, and Russia is not particularly interested in making it so unless it helps them. They are there to help their ally, the president who had no problems with gassing his citizens, and to make sure that their interests in the region remain protected.
Iran, of course, is interested in defeating what remains of ISIS, but they're not the best of friends with the US as you know, and few others are interested in them taking any kind of active military role in the region. Quite the opposite.
Don't forget, Russia is one of Iran's closest supporters now. The fall of Saddam, and the complete mismanagement
has opened up opportunities to those willing to actually do deeds. You have Russian-dominated Syria, Iranian influenced
Iraq, Iran itself, and potentially Turkey (Erdogan has been moving closer to Russia - as the policy there is more stable
AND won't incite problems with the PKK, given their other alignments).
I really don't know if the balancing act that was being attempted was useful though. It wasn't enough to tax Russia,
and as soon as it was not sustained, there would be a price to pay. It strikes me as a 'cross your fingers' delaying
action, just hoping something came out of nowhere. It's just that cutting loses, and writing that bad debt off
is just too dangerous.
-
Early Christmas present for Putin.
Money well spent.
Enough of the 'Russiagate' conspiracy theory. If you think that Russia affected the result via $4700 of Google ads then just :lol1: There's zero evidence that Putin gave Trump money.
But just prepare to look very silly
https://www.politico.com/story/2018/10/19/mueller-investigation-findings-914754
Benji dear, you still have reading comprehension issues. I didn't say Putin gave Trump money.
Deflecting. You say that about everyone. I was just covering both options to counter your conspiracy theory.
-
This makes me think of something recently said, about the possible future path of the US taking a more passive role in world leadership, and how that makes some countries nervous because they might have to take on more responsibility instead of privately supporting the US while publicly sneering about how the US should mind its own business. Trump didn't make this decision on his own, and it's hopefully the direction the US will be taking with or without him.
I have mixed views on this. Selfishly, yes. I wish the US could get off the world center stage. Ideologically too.
Unfortunately, reality creeps in. When the US (or leading power) has withdrawn, things get much much worse
historically. This was the great lesson of two world wars. Superpowers are likely to do terrible things - but that price
might be necessary.
Also, in the case of both Syria and Afghanistan, the US were part of creating, or at least enabling, the mess to begin with and shouldn't expect someone else to clean it up for them. But I guess Trump realises there are no Trump Tower prospects to be had in either place.
Amazing that anyone is dumb enough to think they want to clean it up. Luckily the retard John Bolton admitted the US's goal is not to win but to create divides. It is Israel's war and when an Israeli official was asked what their ideal outcome was for Syria they said "no outcome". Just endless war. A weak and destablised neighbour is good for Israel.
-
The US doesn't have to bow out completely. It can be a silent financial backer in the cleanup, while someone else stands up front for a change, taking the blame or credit or whatever people want to call it.
Really? Who? Russia? Iran? They're not going to work as our proxies, I think.
Recall saying here years ago, European countries will eventually have to step up to the plate.
They ain't stupid enough to fix our problem here. It means way less to them than to us.
If the US's final play as the badguy is to step back, then it seems so much better than what was anticipated.
Let's see if we're willing to fade into the background like Spain and Portugal - or if there will be death
throes as there were with the disintegration of the British Empire.
Iran are out. Russia and Syria will clear things up. Syria will now have to negotiate with Turkey and the Kurds will have to negotiate with Syria.
-
Great how the lying establishment liberal media is holding up trash like Mattis as some kind of moral hero. Here's one of his quotes about shooting Afghans
‘It’s quite fun to shoot them, you know. It’s a hell of a hoot. It’s fun to shoot some people.’
-
ISIS is not yet gone, Jack, and Russia is not particularly interested in making it so unless it helps them. They are there to help their ally, the president who had no problems with gassing his citizens, and to make sure that their interests in the region remain protected.
Iran, of course, is interested in defeating what remains of ISIS, but they're not the best of friends with the US as you know, and few others are interested in them taking any kind of active military role in the region. Quite the opposite.
I think pretty much everybody but Russia would prefer someone else - anyone else - than Trump to lead the US, and they would all like to see someone a bit more predictable and stable to do the leading.
The US can certainly retreat from the region but don't fool yourself by thinking that it will help anything.
When did Assad gas civilians?
-
Yes, Russia and Iran; what's the alternative to avoid that? They have a stronger hold, and would seriously hope US intentions in Syria never involve battling either of them. While my views are also a bit selfish and ideological, that's where reality creeps in. US involvement in Syria was a mistake. US withdrawal is an excellent humanitarian and diplomacy opportunity for countries which are already carrying the burden of relief. If they step up and do something about it remains to be seen. It may not appear important to them to clean up the mess, but seems a smart thing to do if they're interested in sending refugees home.
Oh, ok. Yes, I'm sure if we surrender the Near East to Russian dominance, that's a great plan.
Was Syria a mistake? If we hadn't fucked it all up in Iraq, it wouldn't have been necessary.
Given that though, there really were no 'good' options. The best (realpolitik) probably would
have been supporting Isis covertly. But boy, what a tightrope to keep that from blowing up
in our faces.
The nation couldn't stand for a real robust reaction in the region.
Injecting ourselves was probably the best feasible option, dealt a terrible hand.
Unfortunately, it meant long term, low grade involvement. Something we could
have maintained. The really sad thing is that the one ally we're pleasing with pulling
out - is the one which our presence in the region is perhaps the only long-term bulwark
against them being forced to align with Russia, in the long run.
Putin hit the jackpot with this joker.
Um.... The wars were planned before 9/11.
-
Not sure I agree with that, but the logic makes sense.
:fish2:
-
Iran are out. Russia and Syria will clear things up. Syria will now have to negotiate with Turkey and the Kurds will have to negotiate with Syria.
You're obviously missing (at least) half the story here.
-
Um.... The wars were planned before 9/11.
Obviously. You think there's anywhere we DON'T have plans for?
Doesn't mean they'd get used.
-
Early Christmas present for Putin.
Money well spent.
Enough of the 'Russiagate' conspiracy theory. If you think that Russia affected the result via $4700 of Google ads then just :lol1: There's zero evidence that Putin gave Trump money.
But just prepare to look very silly
https://www.politico.com/story/2018/10/19/mueller-investigation-findings-914754
Benji dear, you still have reading comprehension issues. I didn't say Putin gave Trump money.
Deflecting. You say that about everyone. I was just covering both options to counter your conspiracy theory.
Actually I say that about you and Al. Stop blaming away your inability to understand what people say.
-
ISIS is not yet gone, Jack, and Russia is not particularly interested in making it so unless it helps them. They are there to help their ally, the president who had no problems with gassing his citizens, and to make sure that their interests in the region remain protected.
Iran, of course, is interested in defeating what remains of ISIS, but they're not the best of friends with the US as you know, and few others are interested in them taking any kind of active military role in the region. Quite the opposite.
I think pretty much everybody but Russia would prefer someone else - anyone else - than Trump to lead the US, and they would all like to see someone a bit more predictable and stable to do the leading.
The US can certainly retreat from the region but don't fool yourself by thinking that it will help anything.
When did Assad gas civilians?
Here's a handy timeline for you: https://www.armscontrol.org/factsheets/Timeline-of-Syrian-Chemical-Weapons-Activity
-
Oh, and Benji, did you imply that Assad's use of chemical weapons is somehow justifiable if the targets aren't civilians? Please explain.
-
Early Christmas present for Putin.
Money well spent.
Enough of the 'Russiagate' conspiracy theory. If you think that Russia affected the result via $4700 of Google ads then just :lol1: There's zero evidence that Putin gave Trump money.
But just prepare to look very silly
https://www.politico.com/story/2018/10/19/mueller-investigation-findings-914754
Benji dear, you still have reading comprehension issues. I didn't say Putin gave Trump money.
Deflecting. You say that about everyone. I was just covering both options to counter your conspiracy theory.
Actually I say that about you and Al. Stop blaming away your inability to understand what people say.
...and you still do not comprehend that Russiagate is and always was bullshit
-
We'll find out, eventually, won't we? In the meantime, I'm keeping the popcorn handy and the beer chilled. Things aren't looking brilliant for your guy.
-
Early Christmas present for Putin.
Money well spent.
Enough of the 'Russiagate' conspiracy theory. If you think that Russia affected the result via $4700 of Google ads then just :lol1: There's zero evidence that Putin gave Trump money.
But just prepare to look very silly
https://www.politico.com/story/2018/10/19/mueller-investigation-findings-914754
Benji dear, you still have reading comprehension issues. I didn't say Putin gave Trump money.
Deflecting. You say that about everyone. I was just covering both options to counter your conspiracy theory.
Actually I say that about you and Al. Stop blaming away your inability to understand what people say.
The claims are that Trump is indebted to Kremlin banks or that the Russians swung the election with ads so stop playing games.
-
Oh, and Benji, did you imply that Assad's use of chemical weapons is somehow justifiable if the targets aren't civilians? Please explain.
He had no motive to kill civilians with gas. The claims that 'he's killing his own people' are just recycled lies that were used in Iraq and Libya. He gave up his chemical weapons. The main attack in 2013 was carried out by the FSA who got the chemicals from Turkey. They were on video boasting about their supplies at the end of 2012, singing Jihad and killing a rabbit and a hare. Then Obama said about the red lines after the Jihadists had carried out 2 attacks and on the day the weapons inspectors were in town an attack was launched. Turkey actually caught them and this was posted in an Irish newspaper. The attack was blamed on Assad but after an OPCW investigation they said they couldn't say it was Assad as there was no chain of custody. They then blamed the 2017 attack on Assad without a chain of custody. This year they went in independently and found no evidence of a nerve agent attack. Robert Fisk debunked the claims and other journalists interviewed alleged victims and people in the area. There was no attack this year.
-
I don't condone any attacks on civilians. Including Israel and the US's use of depleted uranium and white phosphorus.
-
We'll find out, eventually, won't we? In the meantime, I'm keeping the popcorn handy and the beer chilled. Things aren't looking brilliant for your guy.
Not according to the article I posted to you. The findings may never be made public. You've been talking about popcorn for over 2 years. It's stale. You were expecting him to get done for 'collusion' but there's zero evidence. Just admit you were wrong.
-
Early Christmas present for Putin.
Money well spent.
Enough of the 'Russiagate' conspiracy theory. If you think that Russia affected the result via $4700 of Google ads then just :lol1: There's zero evidence that Putin gave Trump money.
But just prepare to look very silly
https://www.politico.com/story/2018/10/19/mueller-investigation-findings-914754
Benji dear, you still have reading comprehension issues. I didn't say Putin gave Trump money.
Deflecting. You say that about everyone. I was just covering both options to counter your conspiracy theory.
Actually I say that about you and Al. Stop blaming away your inability to understand what people say.
The claims are that Trump is indebted to Kremlin banks or that the Russians swung the election with ads so stop playing games.
I'm going to nice to you and explain the basics. Please keep this handy for future reference.
Putin & Co most likely invested a fair bit of money, not only to manipulate the election but long before that to entrap Trump and those close to him. Whether it was a hotel room with fun, games & cameras, the promise of a Trump Tower in Moscow, strategic loans or something else (or all of it) doesn't really matter. It's all being investigated and a number of people around Trump, from lawyers to short-lived National Security Advisors, are cooperating with the investigation, and we've seen glimpses of the directions that investigation is taking, I suspect there's a lot more we don't know.
To dismiss all this as a conspiracy theory makes you look naive in the extreme.
-
Oh, and Benji, did you imply that Assad's use of chemical weapons is somehow justifiable if the targets aren't civilians? Please explain.
He had no motive to kill civilians with gas. The claims that 'he's killing his own people' are just recycled lies that were used in Iraq and Libya. He gave up his chemical weapons. The main attack in 2013 was carried out by the FSA who got the chemicals from Turkey. They were on video boasting about their supplies at the end of 2012, singing Jihad and killing a rabbit and a hare. Then Obama said about the red lines after the Jihadists had carried out 2 attacks and on the day the weapons inspectors were in town an attack was launched. Turkey actually caught them and this was posted in an Irish newspaper. The attack was blamed on Assad but after an OPCW investigation they said they couldn't say it was Assad as there was no chain of custody. They then blamed the 2017 attack on Assad without a chain of custody. This year they went in independently and found no evidence of a nerve agent attack. Robert Fisk debunked the claims and other journalists interviewed alleged victims and people in the area. There was no attack this year.
The WHO and quite a few others disagree with Fisk, to say the least, and they have the evidence to support their claims. I assume this is another one of your conspiracy theories.
-
We'll find out, eventually, won't we? In the meantime, I'm keeping the popcorn handy and the beer chilled. Things aren't looking brilliant for your guy.
Not according to the article I posted to you. The findings may never be made public. You've been talking about popcorn for over 2 years. It's stale. You were expecting him to get done for 'collusion' but there's zero evidence. Just admit you were wrong.
:lol1:
I guess that's why Flynn, Cohen et al are accepting plea deals. Because of zero evidence.
The investigation is one of those rare gifts that keep on giving. Who says there can only be a single popcorn & beer session?
-
Every time I see this topic I think Trump is pulling out sexually from Syria. :zombiefuck:
-
Early Christmas present for Putin.
Money well spent.
Enough of the 'Russiagate' conspiracy theory. If you think that Russia affected the result via $4700 of Google ads then just :lol1: There's zero evidence that Putin gave Trump money.
But just prepare to look very silly
https://www.politico.com/story/2018/10/19/mueller-investigation-findings-914754
Benji dear, you still have reading comprehension issues. I didn't say Putin gave Trump money.
Deflecting. You say that about everyone. I was just covering both options to counter your conspiracy theory.
Actually I say that about you and Al. Stop blaming away your inability to understand what people say.
The claims are that Trump is indebted to Kremlin banks or that the Russians swung the election with ads so stop playing games.
I'm going to nice to you and explain the basics. Please keep this handy for future reference.
Putin & Co most likely invested a fair bit of money, not only to manipulate the election but long before that to entrap Trump and those close to him. Whether it was a hotel room with fun, games & cameras, the promise of a Trump Tower in Moscow, strategic loans or something else (or all of it) doesn't really matter. It's all being investigated and a number of people around Trump, from lawyers to short-lived National Security Advisors, are cooperating with the investigation, and we've seen glimpses of the directions that investigation is taking, I suspect there's a lot more we don't know.
To dismiss all this as a conspiracy theory makes you look naive in the extreme.
$4700 spent on Google ads by Russian companies. Some were Pro Trump, some Pro Hillary and some were neither. They were just there to steal info etc. Yeah interesting conspiracy theories. Nothing to do with collusion.
-
Oh, and Benji, did you imply that Assad's use of chemical weapons is somehow justifiable if the targets aren't civilians? Please explain.
He had no motive to kill civilians with gas. The claims that 'he's killing his own people' are just recycled lies that were used in Iraq and Libya. He gave up his chemical weapons. The main attack in 2013 was carried out by the FSA who got the chemicals from Turkey. They were on video boasting about their supplies at the end of 2012, singing Jihad and killing a rabbit and a hare. Then Obama said about the red lines after the Jihadists had carried out 2 attacks and on the day the weapons inspectors were in town an attack was launched. Turkey actually caught them and this was posted in an Irish newspaper. The attack was blamed on Assad but after an OPCW investigation they said they couldn't say it was Assad as there was no chain of custody. They then blamed the 2017 attack on Assad without a chain of custody. This year they went in independently and found no evidence of a nerve agent attack. Robert Fisk debunked the claims and other journalists interviewed alleged victims and people in the area. There was no attack this year.
The WHO and quite a few others disagree with Fisk, to say the least, and they have the evidence to support their claims. I assume this is another one of your conspiracy theories.
There's no evidence. There was no attack. A video by Jihadists in white helmets is not evidence. The investigation by the OPCW found zero evidence of a nerve agent attack.
Anyone who thinks Assad would do the one thing that could get the West to bomb him as he's just about to clear up one of the last parts of Syria and win the war is beyond naive and stupid.
-
We'll find out, eventually, won't we? In the meantime, I'm keeping the popcorn handy and the beer chilled. Things aren't looking brilliant for your guy.
Not according to the article I posted to you. The findings may never be made public. You've been talking about popcorn for over 2 years. It's stale. You were expecting him to get done for 'collusion' but there's zero evidence. Just admit you were wrong.
:lol1:
I guess that's why Flynn, Cohen et al are accepting plea deals. Because of zero evidence.
The investigation is one of those rare gifts that keep on giving. Who says there can only be a single popcorn & beer session?
Zero to do with 'collusion'. Flynn case is Israel gate. He was speaking to Russia among other countries on behalf of Israel to try and get them to vote against the UN resolution regarding illegal settlements in Palestine.
-
We'll find out, eventually, won't we? In the meantime, I'm keeping the popcorn handy and the beer chilled. Things aren't looking brilliant for your guy.
Not according to the article I posted to you. The findings may never be made public. You've been talking about popcorn for over 2 years. It's stale. You were expecting him to get done for 'collusion' but there's zero evidence. Just admit you were wrong.
:lol1:
I guess that's why Flynn, Cohen et al are accepting plea deals. Because of zero evidence.
The investigation is one of those rare gifts that keep on giving. Who says there can only be a single popcorn & beer session?
Yes.
Cohen is a serial liar and prepared to say anythingto save his own skin. He will compose any tune he gets asked to.
Flynn is a diffetent beast. Flynn is helping with investigations with Mueller and Huber. Not all Muellers investigations point to the Trump Administration. Some point to such people as Tony Podesta.
-
Early Christmas present for Putin.
Money well spent.
Enough of the 'Russiagate' conspiracy theory. If you think that Russia affected the result via $4700 of Google ads then just :lol1: There's zero evidence that Putin gave Trump money.
But just prepare to look very silly
https://www.politico.com/story/2018/10/19/mueller-investigation-findings-914754
Benji dear, you still have reading comprehension issues. I didn't say Putin gave Trump money.
Deflecting. You say that about everyone. I was just covering both options to counter your conspiracy theory.
Actually I say that about you and Al. Stop blaming away your inability to understand what people say.
The claims are that Trump is indebted to Kremlin banks or that the Russians swung the election with ads so stop playing games.
I'm going to nice to you and explain the basics. Please keep this handy for future reference.
Putin & Co most likely invested a fair bit of money, not only to manipulate the election but long before that to entrap Trump and those close to him. Whether it was a hotel room with fun, games & cameras, the promise of a Trump Tower in Moscow, strategic loans or something else (or all of it) doesn't really matter. It's all being investigated and a number of people around Trump, from lawyers to short-lived National Security Advisors, are cooperating with the investigation, and we've seen glimpses of the directions that investigation is taking, I suspect there's a lot more we don't know.
To dismiss all this as a conspiracy theory makes you look naive in the extreme.
Show us "most likely".
It is an extraordinarily big claim and you make it based on fuck all. But the logical leap is "therefore Trump is beholden to and used by Putin and the Kremlin".
This is the same Putin he sanctioned, removed Russian diplomats from, lambasted the Europeans for having side deals between NATO and EU, that he armedUkrainians against, that he strengthen NATO obligations and responsibilities for and who's ally he bombed.......that Putin?
Big claims demand big evidence
Extraordinary claims demand extrordinary evidence.
What evidence do you have Odeon?
-
Gods, I think we have it bad with Scrap and Al, but I forgot we had an actual reality deniar present. Wow.
-
Gods, I think we have it bad with Scrap and Al, but I forgot we had an actual reality deniar present. Wow.
What have I said that is incorrect. Please make a list.
-
Well because ISIS is defeated! So he had no need for him. I mean you really cannot make this stuff up
I hope the world doesn't go to hell in a hand basket during the next two years bit it probably will.
Well everyone, at least ISIS is no more so we have that to look forward too. :laugh:
-
Gods, I think we have it bad with Scrap and Al, but I forgot we had an actual reality deniar present. Wow.
What have I said that is incorrect. Please make a list.
If you can ignore what's been clear to everyone - even the usually intransigents here - I'm pretty sure it won't help.
Man though...how the fuck you stay outta a mental hospital? Oh yeah, they closed them all down.
Guess that explains why shit like inforwars is out there.
-
Well because ISIS is defeated! So he had no need for him. I mean you really cannot make this stuff up
I hope the world doesn't go to hell in a hand basket during the next two years bit it probably will.
Well everyone, at least ISIS is no more so we have that to look forward too. :laugh:
"No more" or "defeated", they are not mutually exclusive. What do you mean? You arent pretending that defeat means exterminate are you?
It was accepted knowledge on both sides of the aisle that ISIS had been reduced to a shadow of its former self.
Now with Mattis resigning and Trump pulling out of Syria everyone is pretending his war against ISIS was negligible. Fake news that only the ignorant or stupid believe.
Make a case by all means that even at their drastically reduced numbers, they are a threat that the Russians and Kurds cant handle. Make a case that their recruiting efforts are somehow depleting their ranks quickly. Make a reasoned case but dont regurgitate stupid fake media talking points.
-
Early Christmas present for Putin.
Money well spent.
Enough of the 'Russiagate' conspiracy theory. If you think that Russia affected the result via $4700 of Google ads then just :lol1: There's zero evidence that Putin gave Trump money.
But just prepare to look very silly
https://www.politico.com/story/2018/10/19/mueller-investigation-findings-914754
Benji dear, you still have reading comprehension issues. I didn't say Putin gave Trump money.
Deflecting. You say that about everyone. I was just covering both options to counter your conspiracy theory.
Actually I say that about you and Al. Stop blaming away your inability to understand what people say.
The claims are that Trump is indebted to Kremlin banks or that the Russians swung the election with ads so stop playing games.
I'm going to nice to you and explain the basics. Please keep this handy for future reference.
Putin & Co most likely invested a fair bit of money, not only to manipulate the election but long before that to entrap Trump and those close to him. Whether it was a hotel room with fun, games & cameras, the promise of a Trump Tower in Moscow, strategic loans or something else (or all of it) doesn't really matter. It's all being investigated and a number of people around Trump, from lawyers to short-lived National Security Advisors, are cooperating with the investigation, and we've seen glimpses of the directions that investigation is taking, I suspect there's a lot more we don't know.
To dismiss all this as a conspiracy theory makes you look naive in the extreme.
Show us "most likely".
It is an extraordinarily big claim and you make it based on fuck all. But the logical leap is "therefore Trump is beholden to and used by Putin and the Kremlin".
This is the same Putin he sanctioned, removed Russian diplomats from, lambasted the Europeans for having side deals between NATO and EU, that he armedUkrainians against, that he strengthen NATO obligations and responsibilities for and who's ally he bombed.......that Putin?
Big claims demand big evidence
Extraordinary claims demand extrordinary evidence.
What evidence do you have Odeon?
Al, it's not me carrying out the investigation. You do know that, right? I'm simply enjoying the show.
What's so special with this particular show is that Russia's involvement is only part of it. There's so much more because this president is so crooked that Nixon looks like a choir boy in comparison. I'm guessing that some of Trump's lesser crimes pop up more or less by accident, because that's how bad he is at this, that's how bad his minions are at this. You only need to look at Giuliani to know I'm right - remember, this guy still works for Trump.
Speaking of lawyers, I love it how Trump fans are now desperate to characterise Cohen as a pathological liar, don't you? As if Mueller was so new and so naive at his job that he wouldn't have anything to back up Cohen's stories with, that he'd go with one guy's pleas and release him to the courts so early on.
I think Bob Woodward released his book on Trump so early because he knows there's going to be a sequel.
-
Well because ISIS is defeated! So he had no need for him. I mean you really cannot make this stuff up
I hope the world doesn't go to hell in a hand basket during the next two years bit it probably will.
Well everyone, at least ISIS is no more so we have that to look forward too. :laugh:
That's odd. Because some of the voices criticising Trump were saying how could Trump stab the Kurds in the back after they helped you DEFEAT ISIS.
-
Gods, I think we have it bad with Scrap and Al, but I forgot we had an actual reality deniar present. Wow.
What have I said that is incorrect. Please make a list.
If you can ignore what's been clear to everyone - even the usually intransigents here - I'm pretty sure it won't help.
Man though...how the fuck you stay outta a mental hospital? Oh yeah, they closed them all down.
Guess that explains why shit like inforwars is out there.
Ignore what? See you can't even name anything you moron.
Alex Jones is a snake oil salesman. He said a prayer for Netanyahu last Christmas. You're probably too dumb and ignorant to explain anything to.
-
The crooked Mueller investigation was meant to be about 'collusion' with Russia. There's not a shred of evidence for that. It was never meant to be about giving money to a prostitute.
Ray McGovern has been debunking the whole sham as it's gone along.
-
People in the intelligence community are saying that McGivern only includes what he wants to believe.
But re what the investigation should be about: With people as stupid as Trump & Co, they shit all over the place, unable to help themselves. They aren't good at hiding their tracks. Of course they end up in the investigation.
-
People in the intelligence community are saying that McGivern only includes what he wants to believe.
But re what the investigation should be about: With people as stupid as Trump & Co, they shit all over the place, unable to help themselves. They aren't good at hiding their tracks. Of course they end up in the investigation.
Please don't pretend you knew who McGovern was. He used to be CIA himself and really got involved when he saw ex colleagues lying about the Iraq war. In reality he includes information that they don't like. The intelligence agencies lie about everything.
Politics is full of corruption. Trump and the Kushner family especially. Trump is too much of an outsider who is too independent to be trusted. The Clintons are far more corrupted but get away with everything. Though Mr Clinton was let off when he bombed Iraq. When impeachment was dropped he stopped bombing Iraq.
-
People in the intelligence community are saying that McGivern only includes what he wants to believe.
But re what the investigation should be about: With people as stupid as Trump & Co, they shit all over the place, unable to help themselves. They aren't good at hiding their tracks. Of course they end up in the investigation.
Please don't pretend you knew who McGovern was. He used to be CIA himself and really got involved when he saw ex colleagues lying about the Iraq war. In reality he includes information that they don't like. The intelligence agencies lie about everything.
Politics is full of corruption. Trump and the Kushner family especially. Trump is too much of an outsider who is too independent to be trusted. The Clintons are far more corrupted but get away with everything. Though Mr Clinton was let off when he bombed Iraq. When impeachment was dropped he stopped bombing Iraq.
Not "was". "Is". He's not dead, just old. And I do know who he is, even though I'm betting our sources differ.
-
People in the intelligence community are saying that McGivern only includes what he wants to believe.
But re what the investigation should be about: With people as stupid as Trump & Co, they shit all over the place, unable to help themselves. They aren't good at hiding their tracks. Of course they end up in the investigation.
Please don't pretend you knew who McGovern was. He used to be CIA himself and really got involved when he saw ex colleagues lying about the Iraq war. In reality he includes information that they don't like. The intelligence agencies lie about everything.
Politics is full of corruption. Trump and the Kushner family especially. Trump is too much of an outsider who is too independent to be trusted. The Clintons are far more corrupted but get away with everything. Though Mr Clinton was let off when he bombed Iraq. When impeachment was dropped he stopped bombing Iraq.
Not "was". "Is". He's not dead, just old. And I do know who he is, even though I'm betting our sources differ.
Na. He provides sources and has debunked 'Russiagate'. You just quickly looked him up on Wikipedia.
-
Well because ISIS is defeated! So he had no need for him. I mean you really cannot make this stuff up
I hope the world doesn't go to hell in a hand basket during the next two years bit it probably will.
Well everyone, at least ISIS is no more so we have that to look forward too. :laugh:
That's odd. Because some of the voices criticising Trump were saying how could Trump stab the Kurds in the back after they helped you DEFEAT ISIS.
Nothing funnier than some overseas schmoe that likes Donald. I guess though we will all have to wait and see if ISIS is really defeated, but I think the point is Terrorism begets terrorism. Even if they are no more some dummy will just take up their banner and form a new group and that is the point Mr. World affairs
-
Well because ISIS is defeated! So he had no need for him. I mean you really cannot make this stuff up
I hope the world doesn't go to hell in a hand basket during the next two years bit it probably will.
Well everyone, at least ISIS is no more so we have that to look forward too. :laugh:
"No more" or "defeated", they are not mutually exclusive. What do you mean? You arent pretending that defeat means exterminate are you?
It was accepted knowledge on both sides of the aisle that ISIS had been reduced to a shadow of its former self.
Now with Mattis resigning and Trump pulling out of Syria everyone is pretending his war against ISIS was negligible. Fake news that only the ignorant or stupid believe.
Make a case by all means that even at their drastically reduced numbers, they are a threat that the Russians and Kurds cant handle. Make a case that their recruiting efforts are somehow depleting their ranks quickly. Make a reasoned case but dont regurgitate stupid fake media talking points.
When you say something is no more, then if it comes back what do you call it? The one thing I know about Terrorism is even if you stop one faction another pops up in its place, it's kinda like the game wack-a-mole at the carnival. In any regards I do not trust a reality tv star acting like he's a statesman to know anything about planet earth let alone middle eastern politics. The only fake news I can see comes out of his mouth on a daily basis in the form of lies that his rabid fan base believe. Because in reality it's not just an ordinary following - It has turned into a cult
You can think outside the box as a leader but when you start lying everyday and your groupies believe you that's when you lose all credibility. Ending wars are a great thing, but when the processional general (Mattis) says he's had enough of Trumps bullshit that's when you know things are gonna get ugly, know why Trump can't keep hardly anybody in his administration? Because he's running this country like it's Trump tower. Nobody tells the baby king anything! Your fired!
Need I go on? This isn't a company. It's a country
-
People in the intelligence community are saying that McGivern only includes what he wants to believe.
But re what the investigation should be about: With people as stupid as Trump & Co, they shit all over the place, unable to help themselves. They aren't good at hiding their tracks. Of course they end up in the investigation.
Please don't pretend you knew who McGovern was. He used to be CIA himself and really got involved when he saw ex colleagues lying about the Iraq war. In reality he includes information that they don't like. The intelligence agencies lie about everything.
Politics is full of corruption. Trump and the Kushner family especially. Trump is too much of an outsider who is too independent to be trusted. The Clintons are far more corrupted but get away with everything. Though Mr Clinton was let off when he bombed Iraq. When impeachment was dropped he stopped bombing Iraq.
Not "was". "Is". He's not dead, just old. And I do know who he is, even though I'm betting our sources differ.
Na. He provides sources and has debunked 'Russiagate'. You just quickly looked him up on Wikipedia.
Actually his name first came up a long time ago, when Bush went to war. And I was discussing my sources as opposed to yours, not McGovern's. I'm guessing yours are still mostly whatever conspiracy theorists that are the current fad among kooks such as yourself, because let's face it, Benji, you're all over the place.
As for the current mess, McGovern's opinions carry little actual weight. I very much doubt he's got access to anything Mueller's investigation doesn't.
-
People in the intelligence community are saying that McGivern only includes what he wants to believe.
But re what the investigation should be about: With people as stupid as Trump & Co, they shit all over the place, unable to help themselves. They aren't good at hiding their tracks. Of course they end up in the investigation.
Please don't pretend you knew who McGovern was. He used to be CIA himself and really got involved when he saw ex colleagues lying about the Iraq war. In reality he includes information that they don't like. The intelligence agencies lie about everything.
Politics is full of corruption. Trump and the Kushner family especially. Trump is too much of an outsider who is too independent to be trusted. The Clintons are far more corrupted but get away with everything. Though Mr Clinton was let off when he bombed Iraq. When impeachment was dropped he stopped bombing Iraq.
Not "was". "Is". He's not dead, just old. And I do know who he is, even though I'm betting our sources differ.
Na. He provides sources and has debunked 'Russiagate'. You just quickly looked him up on Wikipedia.
Actually his name first came up a long time ago, when Bush went to war. And I was discussing my sources as opposed to yours, not McGovern's. I'm guessing yours are still mostly whatever conspiracy theorists that are the current fad among kooks such as yourself, because let's face it, Benji, you're all over the place.
As for the current mess, McGovern's opinions carry little actual weight. I very much doubt he's got access to anything Mueller's investigation doesn't.
It did, but I doubt you knew anything about it. What are you doubting? Give me a list. You're the one pushing kooky conspiracy theories about Russian ghosts.
If Mueller had anything Trump would already be finished. He wouldn't be scrapping the barrel with hookers. It's embarrassing. Mueller is a proven crook and liar.
And it's utterly hilarious that now the US is pulling out, Al Qaeda has surrendered. And Israel bombed Syria on Christmas day. I've said from the start the US has been supporting Al Qaeda in Syria and that this is Israel's war and I've been proven right. You've been falling for CNN's garbage about the Mueller investigation for 2 and a half years and each conspiracy theory about Russia gets debunked but you never learn.
-
Well because ISIS is defeated! So he had no need for him. I mean you really cannot make this stuff up
I hope the world doesn't go to hell in a hand basket during the next two years bit it probably will.
Well everyone, at least ISIS is no more so we have that to look forward too. :laugh:
That's odd. Because some of the voices criticising Trump were saying how could Trump stab the Kurds in the back after they helped you DEFEAT ISIS.
Nothing funnier than some overseas schmoe that likes Donald. I guess though we will all have to wait and see if ISIS is really defeated, but I think the point is Terrorism begets terrorism. Even if they are no more some dummy will just take up their banner and form a new group and that is the point Mr. World affairs
The US has been protecting the Jihadists the whole time. Now the US has announced it is leaving Al Qaeda have surrendered lol. The US created ISIS and Al Qaeda. The best way for terrorism to end is for the US to fuck off and focus on its own problems
-
No the United States hasn't been protecting the Jihadists, we backed Osama Bin Laden because he was fighting a war with Russia, and Russia aggression. Osama then later took what we gave him and his group and turned it into a holy war. That isn't starting with intention to create a terrorist group, it turned into a terrorist group because they're opportunists, if anybody is to blame for that it's Russia
But I do agree, that we need to mind our own business. But then again War is profitable, and surprise that's why they do it. Either way, you could say by defacto the USA started al qaeda, because of a proxy war with Russia. But If anybody started these terrorist groups that split it was Russia.
https://www.washingtoninstitute.org/policy-analysis/view/who-is-responsible-for-the-taliban
-
No the United States hasn't been protecting the Jihadists, we backed Osama Bin Laden because he was fighting a war with Russia, and Russia aggression. Osama then later took what we gave him and his group and turned it into a holy war. That isn't starting with intention to create a terrorist group, it turned into a terrorist group because they're opportunists, if anybody is to blame for that it's Russia
But I do agree, that we need to mind our own business. But then again War is profitable, and surprise that's why they do it. Either way, you could say by defacto the USA started al qaeda, because of a proxy war with Russia. But If anybody started these terrorist groups that split it was Russia.
https://www.washingtoninstitute.org/policy-analysis/view/who-is-responsible-for-the-taliban
Yes it has. It armed and funded them too. I know it's not nice to think about but it's reality. The US created Al Qaeda with the help of Pakistan and the Saudis to fight the Soviets. Not the Russians, the Soviet Union, which is dead. The US worked with Al Qaeda before 9/11, during and after. They acted as their airforce in Libya and have funded and armed them in Syria.
-
People in the intelligence community are saying that McGivern only includes what he wants to believe.
But re what the investigation should be about: With people as stupid as Trump & Co, they shit all over the place, unable to help themselves. They aren't good at hiding their tracks. Of course they end up in the investigation.
Please don't pretend you knew who McGovern was. He used to be CIA himself and really got involved when he saw ex colleagues lying about the Iraq war. In reality he includes information that they don't like. The intelligence agencies lie about everything.
Politics is full of corruption. Trump and the Kushner family especially. Trump is too much of an outsider who is too independent to be trusted. The Clintons are far more corrupted but get away with everything. Though Mr Clinton was let off when he bombed Iraq. When impeachment was dropped he stopped bombing Iraq.
Not "was". "Is". He's not dead, just old. And I do know who he is, even though I'm betting our sources differ.
Na. He provides sources and has debunked 'Russiagate'. You just quickly looked him up on Wikipedia.
Actually his name first came up a long time ago, when Bush went to war. And I was discussing my sources as opposed to yours, not McGovern's. I'm guessing yours are still mostly whatever conspiracy theorists that are the current fad among kooks such as yourself, because let's face it, Benji, you're all over the place.
As for the current mess, McGovern's opinions carry little actual weight. I very much doubt he's got access to anything Mueller's investigation doesn't.
It did, but I doubt you knew anything about it. What are you doubting? Give me a list. You're the one pushing kooky conspiracy theories about Russian ghosts.
If Mueller had anything Trump would already be finished. He wouldn't be scrapping the barrel with hookers. It's embarrassing. Mueller is a proven crook and liar.
And it's utterly hilarious that now the US is pulling out, Al Qaeda has surrendered. And Israel bombed Syria on Christmas day. I've said from the start the US has been supporting Al Qaeda in Syria and that this is Israel's war and I've been proven right. You've been falling for CNN's garbage about the Mueller investigation for 2 and a half years and each conspiracy theory about Russia gets debunked but you never learn.
a) I'm not pushing anything. It's all over the news.
b) Mueller takes the time he needs. I'm sure Cohen, Flynn and Manafort all think it's embarrassing.
c) I'm not sure why you're talking about Al Qaeda, nor why you think you've been proven right. Or, for that matter, what you'd be right about. You're not making much sense.
d) Russia's meddling in the US election is a fact, not a theory. The question is about Trump's involvement in the Russian meddling.
-
No the United States hasn't been protecting the Jihadists, we backed Osama Bin Laden because he was fighting a war with Russia, and Russia aggression. Osama then later took what we gave him and his group and turned it into a holy war. That isn't starting with intention to create a terrorist group, it turned into a terrorist group because they're opportunists, if anybody is to blame for that it's Russia
But I do agree, that we need to mind our own business. But then again War is profitable, and surprise that's why they do it. Either way, you could say by defacto the USA started al qaeda, because of a proxy war with Russia. But If anybody started these terrorist groups that split it was Russia.
https://www.washingtoninstitute.org/policy-analysis/view/who-is-responsible-for-the-taliban
Yes it has. It armed and funded them too. I know it's not nice to think about but it's reality. The US created Al Qaeda with the help of Pakistan and the Saudis to fight the Soviets. Not the Russians, the Soviet Union, which is dead. The US worked with Al Qaeda before 9/11, during and after. They acted as their airforce in Libya and have funded and armed them in Syria.
Because Russia was invading Afghanistan. The tribal areas grouped together, and we supported them. They then turned our weapons we gave them and used them for terrorism, I think the point you're missing is: Intent. We didnt intend to create any terrorist groups, we just didn't want Russia in the area gaining more control, so we were in a proxy war.
Kind of like what Russia is doing in the Ukraine. They almost always are the agesser, and so then somebody has to clean up the mess. Unfortunately it's the USA, and frankly I wouldn't be that critical of them because you in Europe have enjoyed pretty stable conditions in your neck of the woods despite Russia being your neighbor. If they could annex Europe they would
The Soviet Union might be dead but the idea isn't. Along with all their nuclear weapons
-
People in the intelligence community are saying that McGivern only includes what he wants to believe.
But re what the investigation should be about: With people as stupid as Trump & Co, they shit all over the place, unable to help themselves. They aren't good at hiding their tracks. Of course they end up in the investigation.
Please don't pretend you knew who McGovern was. He used to be CIA himself and really got involved when he saw ex colleagues lying about the Iraq war. In reality he includes information that they don't like. The intelligence agencies lie about everything.
Politics is full of corruption. Trump and the Kushner family especially. Trump is too much of an outsider who is too independent to be trusted. The Clintons are far more corrupted but get away with everything. Though Mr Clinton was let off when he bombed Iraq. When impeachment was dropped he stopped bombing Iraq.
Not "was". "Is". He's not dead, just old. And I do know who he is, even though I'm betting our sources differ.
Na. He provides sources and has debunked 'Russiagate'. You just quickly looked him up on Wikipedia.
Actually his name first came up a long time ago, when Bush went to war. And I was discussing my sources as opposed to yours, not McGovern's. I'm guessing yours are still mostly whatever conspiracy theorists that are the current fad among kooks such as yourself, because let's face it, Benji, you're all over the place.
As for the current mess, McGovern's opinions carry little actual weight. I very much doubt he's got access to anything Mueller's investigation doesn't.
It did, but I doubt you knew anything about it. What are you doubting? Give me a list. You're the one pushing kooky conspiracy theories about Russian ghosts.
If Mueller had anything Trump would already be finished. He wouldn't be scrapping the barrel with hookers. It's embarrassing. Mueller is a proven crook and liar.
And it's utterly hilarious that now the US is pulling out, Al Qaeda has surrendered. And Israel bombed Syria on Christmas day. I've said from the start the US has been supporting Al Qaeda in Syria and that this is Israel's war and I've been proven right. You've been falling for CNN's garbage about the Mueller investigation for 2 and a half years and each conspiracy theory about Russia gets debunked but you never learn.
a) I'm not pushing anything. It's all over the news.
b) Mueller takes the time he needs. I'm sure Cohen, Flynn and Manafort all think it's embarrassing.
c) I'm not sure why you're talking about Al Qaeda, nor why you think you've been proven right. Or, for that matter, what you'd be right about. You're not making much sense.
d) Russia's meddling in the US election is a fact, not a theory. The question is about Trump's involvement in the Russian meddling.
Yes. You've been pushing the conspiracy theories about Russia and Trump for over 2 years, and yep the mainstream media has been pushing them too.
He's wasting taxpayers money on a sham investigation.
None of those have anything to do with 'collusion'.
I know you don't understand and it doesn't make sense to you.
With $4700 worth of Google ads? Are you fucking insane?
And oh dear, it's all going a bit wrong...
New Knowledge, a leading firm on Russia related cyber issues, was one of the two firms whose report on Russian activities during the presidential election was published by the Senate Intelligence Committee earlier this month.
The report claims that the Russians troll farms used all social media platforms and even mobile games such as Pokemon Go to influence the election and allegedly sway voters to President Trump.
“The scale was massive,” New Knowledge researchers wrote of Russian disinformation, with the alleged campaign “reaching 126 million people on Facebook, posting 10.4 million tweets on Twitter, uploading 1,000+ videos to YouTube, and reaching over 20 million users on Instagram.”
But the credibility of the cybersecurity firm took a hit after revelations in the New York Times that it collaborated with another firm, American Engagement Technologies, to replicate those very same alleged Russian tactics during the Alabama Senate race.
The secret effort, dubbed as the “Birmingham Project,” was facilitated by AET, a firm run by former Obama official Mikey Dickerson and funded by Silicon Valley billionaire Reid Hoffman, allocating $100,000 for the project.
The internal report of the Birmingham Project openly states that the group “ran a digital messaging operation to influence the outcome of the AL senate race” between September and December of 2017, according to BuzzFeed.
According to BuzzFeed, Dickerson and Sara Hudson, a former Department of Justice employee who went on to work for another firm funded by Hoffman, spoke at a private meeting in September where they said their secret project managed to suppress Republican votes, energize Democratic voters and plant a “false flag” against the Republican campaign.
The Birmingham Project's internal report also takes credit for the high Democratic turnout and a drop in Republican turnout and said their campaign led to increased votes for write-in candidates.
-
Oh dear. What a farce.
https://youtu.be/hqLIJznUNVw
-
No the United States hasn't been protecting the Jihadists, we backed Osama Bin Laden because he was fighting a war with Russia, and Russia aggression. Osama then later took what we gave him and his group and turned it into a holy war. That isn't starting with intention to create a terrorist group, it turned into a terrorist group because they're opportunists, if anybody is to blame for that it's Russia
But I do agree, that we need to mind our own business. But then again War is profitable, and surprise that's why they do it. Either way, you could say by defacto the USA started al qaeda, because of a proxy war with Russia. But If anybody started these terrorist groups that split it was Russia.
https://www.washingtoninstitute.org/policy-analysis/view/who-is-responsible-for-the-taliban
Yes it has. It armed and funded them too. I know it's not nice to think about but it's reality. The US created Al Qaeda with the help of Pakistan and the Saudis to fight the Soviets. Not the Russians, the Soviet Union, which is dead. The US worked with Al Qaeda before 9/11, during and after. They acted as their airforce in Libya and have funded and armed them in Syria.
Because Russia was invading Afghanistan. The tribal areas grouped together, and we supported them. They then turned our weapons we gave them and used them for terrorism, I think the point you're missing is: Intent. We didnt intend to create any terrorist groups, we just didn't want Russia in the area gaining more control, so we were in a proxy war.
Kind of like what Russia is doing in the Ukraine. They almost always are the agesser, and so then somebody has to clean up the mess. Unfortunately it's the USA, and frankly I wouldn't be that critical of them because you in Europe have enjoyed pretty stable conditions in your neck of the woods despite Russia being your neighbor. If they could annex Europe they would
The Soviet Union might be dead but the idea isn't. Along with all their nuclear weapons
The Soviets. The US didn't stop supporting Al Qaeda after the collapse of the Soviet Union.
Lol don't start the story in the middle. The US launched a military coup using neo Nazis in Ukraine In 2014 to remove the elected leader then installed a US puppet. Ukraine outlawed the Russian language in Crimea thst is mostly Russian speaking.
The Soviet Union was a Communist regime. Russia now is a capitalist country.
-
No the United States hasn't been protecting the Jihadists, we backed Osama Bin Laden because he was fighting a war with Russia, and Russia aggression. Osama then later took what we gave him and his group and turned it into a holy war. That isn't starting with intention to create a terrorist group, it turned into a terrorist group because they're opportunists, if anybody is to blame for that it's Russia
But I do agree, that we need to mind our own business. But then again War is profitable, and surprise that's why they do it. Either way, you could say by defacto the USA started al qaeda, because of a proxy war with Russia. But If anybody started these terrorist groups that split it was Russia.
https://www.washingtoninstitute.org/policy-analysis/view/who-is-responsible-for-the-taliban
Yes it has. It armed and funded them too. I know it's not nice to think about but it's reality. The US created Al Qaeda with the help of Pakistan and the Saudis to fight the Soviets. Not the Russians, the Soviet Union, which is dead. The US worked with Al Qaeda before 9/11, during and after. They acted as their airforce in Libya and have funded and armed them in Syria.
Because Russia was invading Afghanistan. The tribal areas grouped together, and we supported them. They then turned our weapons we gave them and used them for terrorism, I think the point you're missing is: Intent. We didnt intend to create any terrorist groups, we just didn't want Russia in the area gaining more control, so we were in a proxy war.
Kind of like what Russia is doing in the Ukraine. They almost always are the agesser, and so then somebody has to clean up the mess. Unfortunately it's the USA, and frankly I wouldn't be that critical of them because you in Europe have enjoyed pretty stable conditions in your neck of the woods despite Russia being your neighbor. If they could annex Europe they would
The Soviet Union might be dead but the idea isn't. Along with all their nuclear weapons
The Soviets. The US didn't stop supporting Al Qaeda after the collapse of the Soviet Union.
Lol don't start the story in the middle. The US launched a military coup using neo Nazis in Ukraine In 2014 to remove the elected leader then installed a US puppet. Ukraine outlawed the Russian language in Crimea thst is mostly Russian speaking.
The Soviet Union was a Communist regime. Russia now is a capitalist country.
I didn't start the story in the middle. You obviously for whatever reason don't understand intent and love the motherland. But we can agree to disagree
Russia is not a capitalist country. It's run by a former KGB agent acting as a defacto dictator. But do tell me more, they want their land back. That's why they jumped the fence in the Ukraine, they always want more land.
Frankly I wish we didn't protect you Europeans. You're so ungrateful
-
People in the intelligence community are saying that McGivern only includes what he wants to believe.
But re what the investigation should be about: With people as stupid as Trump & Co, they shit all over the place, unable to help themselves. They aren't good at hiding their tracks. Of course they end up in the investigation.
Please don't pretend you knew who McGovern was. He used to be CIA himself and really got involved when he saw ex colleagues lying about the Iraq war. In reality he includes information that they don't like. The intelligence agencies lie about everything.
Politics is full of corruption. Trump and the Kushner family especially. Trump is too much of an outsider who is too independent to be trusted. The Clintons are far more corrupted but get away with everything. Though Mr Clinton was let off when he bombed Iraq. When impeachment was dropped he stopped bombing Iraq.
Not "was". "Is". He's not dead, just old. And I do know who he is, even though I'm betting our sources differ.
Na. He provides sources and has debunked 'Russiagate'. You just quickly looked him up on Wikipedia.
Actually his name first came up a long time ago, when Bush went to war. And I was discussing my sources as opposed to yours, not McGovern's. I'm guessing yours are still mostly whatever conspiracy theorists that are the current fad among kooks such as yourself, because let's face it, Benji, you're all over the place.
As for the current mess, McGovern's opinions carry little actual weight. I very much doubt he's got access to anything Mueller's investigation doesn't.
It did, but I doubt you knew anything about it. What are you doubting? Give me a list. You're the one pushing kooky conspiracy theories about Russian ghosts.
If Mueller had anything Trump would already be finished. He wouldn't be scrapping the barrel with hookers. It's embarrassing. Mueller is a proven crook and liar.
And it's utterly hilarious that now the US is pulling out, Al Qaeda has surrendered. And Israel bombed Syria on Christmas day. I've said from the start the US has been supporting Al Qaeda in Syria and that this is Israel's war and I've been proven right. You've been falling for CNN's garbage about the Mueller investigation for 2 and a half years and each conspiracy theory about Russia gets debunked but you never learn.
a) I'm not pushing anything. It's all over the news.
b) Mueller takes the time he needs. I'm sure Cohen, Flynn and Manafort all think it's embarrassing.
c) I'm not sure why you're talking about Al Qaeda, nor why you think you've been proven right. Or, for that matter, what you'd be right about. You're not making much sense.
d) Russia's meddling in the US election is a fact, not a theory. The question is about Trump's involvement in the Russian meddling.
Yes. You've been pushing the conspiracy theories about Russia and Trump for over 2 years, and yep the mainstream media has been pushing them too.
He's wasting taxpayers money on a sham investigation.
None of those have anything to do with 'collusion'.
I know you don't understand and it doesn't make sense to you.
With $4700 worth of Google ads? Are you fucking insane?
And oh dear, it's all going a bit wrong...
New Knowledge, a leading firm on Russia related cyber issues, was one of the two firms whose report on Russian activities during the presidential election was published by the Senate Intelligence Committee earlier this month.
The report claims that the Russians troll farms used all social media platforms and even mobile games such as Pokemon Go to influence the election and allegedly sway voters to President Trump.
“The scale was massive,” New Knowledge researchers wrote of Russian disinformation, with the alleged campaign “reaching 126 million people on Facebook, posting 10.4 million tweets on Twitter, uploading 1,000+ videos to YouTube, and reaching over 20 million users on Instagram.”
But the credibility of the cybersecurity firm took a hit after revelations in the New York Times that it collaborated with another firm, American Engagement Technologies, to replicate those very same alleged Russian tactics during the Alabama Senate race.
The secret effort, dubbed as the “Birmingham Project,” was facilitated by AET, a firm run by former Obama official Mikey Dickerson and funded by Silicon Valley billionaire Reid Hoffman, allocating $100,000 for the project.
The internal report of the Birmingham Project openly states that the group “ran a digital messaging operation to influence the outcome of the AL senate race” between September and December of 2017, according to BuzzFeed.
According to BuzzFeed, Dickerson and Sara Hudson, a former Department of Justice employee who went on to work for another firm funded by Hoffman, spoke at a private meeting in September where they said their secret project managed to suppress Republican votes, energize Democratic voters and plant a “false flag” against the Republican campaign.
The Birmingham Project's internal report also takes credit for the high Democratic turnout and a drop in Republican turnout and said their campaign led to increased votes for write-in candidates.
I can see that you only read and acknowledge what you want to acknowledge. How embarrassing for you.
I very much doubt Putin will oblige you by releasing his spending beyond a bunch of Google Ads that I don't know where you got from. Not particularly interested, me, because the figure is peanuts in pretty much any perspective (except maybe your yearly income). Did you honestly think that was it? Seriously, Benji? If you honestly think that number is worth repeating multiple times, I feel bad you. Well, sort of. As in "laughing my head off".
I'm not sure where you're cutting and pasting from, either, but again, it doesn't really interest me all that much. The facts of this case are emerging almost daily and they don't match your conspiracy theories at all. This goes for Ukraine as well, btw.
But I do like the neo Nazi angle; you should consider adding aliens.
Oh, and one final thing: it's rather revealing that you lot seem to think that if people oppose Trump, they have to cheer for Hillary or, for that matter, her husband or "the Democrats" in general as some kind of mythical but fairly homogeneous group. While I think that Hillary would have made a far, far better president than the orange moron (let's face it; my dog would be a far, far better president than Trump), I always thought that surely the opposing party must have something better to offer than a tainted former first lady. Yet in your single-mindedness (you, as in the kooks in and outside of this forum) it's the extent of your thinking, if one can indeed consider your randomly-firing neurons as the product of conscious thought. "Yeah, but look at what THE DEMOCRATS DID."
I don't blame you; it's hard to blame the idiot, after all, and it's what Trump did. I'm just saying that Steve Bannon would be proud.
-
People in the intelligence community are saying that McGivern only includes what he wants to believe.
But re what the investigation should be about: With people as stupid as Trump & Co, they shit all over the place, unable to help themselves. They aren't good at hiding their tracks. Of course they end up in the investigation.
Please don't pretend you knew who McGovern was. He used to be CIA himself and really got involved when he saw ex colleagues lying about the Iraq war. In reality he includes information that they don't like. The intelligence agencies lie about everything.
Politics is full of corruption. Trump and the Kushner family especially. Trump is too much of an outsider who is too independent to be trusted. The Clintons are far more corrupted but get away with everything. Though Mr Clinton was let off when he bombed Iraq. When impeachment was dropped he stopped bombing Iraq.
Not "was". "Is". He's not dead, just old. And I do know who he is, even though I'm betting our sources differ.
Na. He provides sources and has debunked 'Russiagate'. You just quickly looked him up on Wikipedia.
Actually his name first came up a long time ago, when Bush went to war. And I was discussing my sources as opposed to yours, not McGovern's. I'm guessing yours are still mostly whatever conspiracy theorists that are the current fad among kooks such as yourself, because let's face it, Benji, you're all over the place.
As for the current mess, McGovern's opinions carry little actual weight. I very much doubt he's got access to anything Mueller's investigation doesn't.
It did, but I doubt you knew anything about it. What are you doubting? Give me a list. You're the one pushing kooky conspiracy theories about Russian ghosts.
If Mueller had anything Trump would already be finished. He wouldn't be scrapping the barrel with hookers. It's embarrassing. Mueller is a proven crook and liar.
And it's utterly hilarious that now the US is pulling out, Al Qaeda has surrendered. And Israel bombed Syria on Christmas day. I've said from the start the US has been supporting Al Qaeda in Syria and that this is Israel's war and I've been proven right. You've been falling for CNN's garbage about the Mueller investigation for 2 and a half years and each conspiracy theory about Russia gets debunked but you never learn.
a) I'm not pushing anything. It's all over the news.
b) Mueller takes the time he needs. I'm sure Cohen, Flynn and Manafort all think it's embarrassing.
c) I'm not sure why you're talking about Al Qaeda, nor why you think you've been proven right. Or, for that matter, what you'd be right about. You're not making much sense.
d) Russia's meddling in the US election is a fact, not a theory. The question is about Trump's involvement in the Russian meddling.
A) What does Trump say about the media? What do the media think of him? Do they constantly have to retract, correct and clarify reporting on him and his Administration? Have a lot of their breathless reporting been shown to be hyperbolic at best and active propaganda and fear mongering and hate at worst (not news in any real sense)? Saying something is all over the news is, in this context, saying exactly what?
B) I am sure Flynn getting run into near bankruptcy and having his family dragged through the mud on a process crime is not embarrassing but rather soul destroying and likely cheered on by dickheads like your good self. As for Cohen and Mannafort. They were slimy and did things unrelated to Russia that Mueller found because Mueller has no connection to Trump and Russia and instead is trying to stitch up everyone connected to Trump to a crime, any crime, to sell the narrative that he has some results for the 40 million witch hunt into ties between the Kremlin and Trump Administration to sway the outcome of the 2016 election that was dreamed up by Hillary and the DNC and pushed through Perkins Coie and Fusion GPS with the Help of The Russians, The British Intelligence Agencies and the weaponised DOJ, FBI and CIA.
Its all coming out and pretending there is legitimacy in the Mueller Investigation is pretty fucking stupid.
C) Did not read what Benji wrote about this but probably should. He is normally on target
D) Which election has Russia NOT "meddled" in and what specifically did they do to meddle? You have no real idea do you? Why was there NEVER this outrage before NOR the attempts to use the normal and common place meddling that Russia does EVERY election as a green light for one Presidential candidate to to both weaponsise the Intelligence agencies to pretend that a salacious report directed by that Presidential candidate against the other with help of the Russia and other intelligence agencies AND set up a special counsel to delegitimise and harass everyone associated with the opposing Presidential campaign?
Get the fuck out of here with your "Russia's meddling in the US election is a fact, not a theory. The question is about Trump's involvement in the Russian meddling." We aren't as stupid as you are and we do not go for this obtuse, disingenuous mainstream talking point, because it is transparently flawed and devoid of critical thinking.
-
(http://www.alice-in-wonderland.net/wp-content/uploads/tweedledee-tweedledum-2.jpg)
-
At some point, the kool aide's gonna kill you.
-
(http://www.alice-in-wonderland.net/wp-content/uploads/tweedledee-tweedledum-2.jpg)
:lol1:
-
It is rumored that Mueller has someones nude selfie.
Is it:
Cheeto man (no one wants to see that shit)
Kushner (does he actually have balls...wondering for a friend >:D)
Don Jr.
Melania (we've already seen that shit though)
Ivanka
Maria Butina (a lot of people have probably seen that shit too)
or...did Putin send someone a dick pic :eyebrows:??
Place your bets. :mischief:
I'm going with Melania or Jr...Jr. looks like the type that would email people pictures of his junk. :LOL:
-
No the United States hasn't been protecting the Jihadists, we backed Osama Bin Laden because he was fighting a war with Russia, and Russia aggression. Osama then later took what we gave him and his group and turned it into a holy war. That isn't starting with intention to create a terrorist group, it turned into a terrorist group because they're opportunists, if anybody is to blame for that it's Russia
But I do agree, that we need to mind our own business. But then again War is profitable, and surprise that's why they do it. Either way, you could say by defacto the USA started al qaeda, because of a proxy war with Russia. But If anybody started these terrorist groups that split it was Russia.
https://www.washingtoninstitute.org/policy-analysis/view/who-is-responsible-for-the-taliban
Yes it has. It armed and funded them too. I know it's not nice to think about but it's reality. The US created Al Qaeda with the help of Pakistan and the Saudis to fight the Soviets. Not the Russians, the Soviet Union, which is dead. The US worked with Al Qaeda before 9/11, during and after. They acted as their airforce in Libya and have funded and armed them in Syria.
Because Russia was invading Afghanistan. The tribal areas grouped together, and we supported them. They then turned our weapons we gave them and used them for terrorism, I think the point you're missing is: Intent. We didnt intend to create any terrorist groups, we just didn't want Russia in the area gaining more control, so we were in a proxy war.
Kind of like what Russia is doing in the Ukraine. They almost always are the agesser, and so then somebody has to clean up the mess. Unfortunately it's the USA, and frankly I wouldn't be that critical of them because you in Europe have enjoyed pretty stable conditions in your neck of the woods despite Russia being your neighbor. If they could annex Europe they would
The Soviet Union might be dead but the idea isn't. Along with all their nuclear weapons
The Soviets. The US didn't stop supporting Al Qaeda after the collapse of the Soviet Union.
Lol don't start the story in the middle. The US launched a military coup using neo Nazis in Ukraine In 2014 to remove the elected leader then installed a US puppet. Ukraine outlawed the Russian language in Crimea thst is mostly Russian speaking.
The Soviet Union was a Communist regime. Russia now is a capitalist country.
I didn't start the story in the middle. You obviously for whatever reason don't understand intent and love the motherland. But we can agree to disagree
Russia is not a capitalist country. It's run by a former KGB agent acting as a defacto dictator. But do tell me more, they want their land back. That's why they jumped the fence in the Ukraine, they always want more land.
Frankly I wish we didn't protect you Europeans. You're so ungrateful
Is that you Donald? :lol1:
Yes it's a capitalist country. The Soviet Union imploded 30 years ago.
-
People in the intelligence community are saying that McGivern only includes what he wants to believe.
But re what the investigation should be about: With people as stupid as Trump & Co, they shit all over the place, unable to help themselves. They aren't good at hiding their tracks. Of course they end up in the investigation.
Please don't pretend you knew who McGovern was. He used to be CIA himself and really got involved when he saw ex colleagues lying about the Iraq war. In reality he includes information that they don't like. The intelligence agencies lie about everything.
Politics is full of corruption. Trump and the Kushner family especially. Trump is too much of an outsider who is too independent to be trusted. The Clintons are far more corrupted but get away with everything. Though Mr Clinton was let off when he bombed Iraq. When impeachment was dropped he stopped bombing Iraq.
Not "was". "Is". He's not dead, just old. And I do know who he is, even though I'm betting our sources differ.
Na. He provides sources and has debunked 'Russiagate'. You just quickly looked him up on Wikipedia.
Actually his name first came up a long time ago, when Bush went to war. And I was discussing my sources as opposed to yours, not McGovern's. I'm guessing yours are still mostly whatever conspiracy theorists that are the current fad among kooks such as yourself, because let's face it, Benji, you're all over the place.
As for the current mess, McGovern's opinions carry little actual weight. I very much doubt he's got access to anything Mueller's investigation doesn't.
It did, but I doubt you knew anything about it. What are you doubting? Give me a list. You're the one pushing kooky conspiracy theories about Russian ghosts.
If Mueller had anything Trump would already be finished. He wouldn't be scrapping the barrel with hookers. It's embarrassing. Mueller is a proven crook and liar.
And it's utterly hilarious that now the US is pulling out, Al Qaeda has surrendered. And Israel bombed Syria on Christmas day. I've said from the start the US has been supporting Al Qaeda in Syria and that this is Israel's war and I've been proven right. You've been falling for CNN's garbage about the Mueller investigation for 2 and a half years and each conspiracy theory about Russia gets debunked but you never learn.
a) I'm not pushing anything. It's all over the news.
b) Mueller takes the time he needs. I'm sure Cohen, Flynn and Manafort all think it's embarrassing.
c) I'm not sure why you're talking about Al Qaeda, nor why you think you've been proven right. Or, for that matter, what you'd be right about. You're not making much sense.
d) Russia's meddling in the US election is a fact, not a theory. The question is about Trump's involvement in the Russian meddling.
Yes. You've been pushing the conspiracy theories about Russia and Trump for over 2 years, and yep the mainstream media has been pushing them too.
He's wasting taxpayers money on a sham investigation.
None of those have anything to do with 'collusion'.
I know you don't understand and it doesn't make sense to you.
With $4700 worth of Google ads? Are you fucking insane?
And oh dear, it's all going a bit wrong...
New Knowledge, a leading firm on Russia related cyber issues, was one of the two firms whose report on Russian activities during the presidential election was published by the Senate Intelligence Committee earlier this month.
The report claims that the Russians troll farms used all social media platforms and even mobile games such as Pokemon Go to influence the election and allegedly sway voters to President Trump.
“The scale was massive,” New Knowledge researchers wrote of Russian disinformation, with the alleged campaign “reaching 126 million people on Facebook, posting 10.4 million tweets on Twitter, uploading 1,000+ videos to YouTube, and reaching over 20 million users on Instagram.”
But the credibility of the cybersecurity firm took a hit after revelations in the New York Times that it collaborated with another firm, American Engagement Technologies, to replicate those very same alleged Russian tactics during the Alabama Senate race.
The secret effort, dubbed as the “Birmingham Project,” was facilitated by AET, a firm run by former Obama official Mikey Dickerson and funded by Silicon Valley billionaire Reid Hoffman, allocating $100,000 for the project.
The internal report of the Birmingham Project openly states that the group “ran a digital messaging operation to influence the outcome of the AL senate race” between September and December of 2017, according to BuzzFeed.
According to BuzzFeed, Dickerson and Sara Hudson, a former Department of Justice employee who went on to work for another firm funded by Hoffman, spoke at a private meeting in September where they said their secret project managed to suppress Republican votes, energize Democratic voters and plant a “false flag” against the Republican campaign.
The Birmingham Project's internal report also takes credit for the high Democratic turnout and a drop in Republican turnout and said their campaign led to increased votes for write-in candidates.
I can see that you only read and acknowledge what you want to acknowledge. How embarrassing for you.
I very much doubt Putin will oblige you by releasing his spending beyond a bunch of Google Ads that I don't know where you got from. Not particularly interested, me, because the figure is peanuts in pretty much any perspective (except maybe your yearly income). Did you honestly think that was it? Seriously, Benji? If you honestly think that number is worth repeating multiple times, I feel bad you. Well, sort of. As in "laughing my head off".
I'm not sure where you're cutting and pasting from, either, but again, it doesn't really interest me all that much. The facts of this case are emerging almost daily and they don't match your conspiracy theories at all. This goes for Ukraine as well, btw.
But I do like the neo Nazi angle; you should consider adding aliens.
Oh, and one final thing: it's rather revealing that you lot seem to think that if people oppose Trump, they have to cheer for Hillary or, for that matter, her husband or "the Democrats" in general as some kind of mythical but fairly homogeneous group. While I think that Hillary would have made a far, far better president than the orange moron (let's face it; my dog would be a far, far better president than Trump), I always thought that surely the opposing party must have something better to offer than a tainted former first lady. Yet in your single-mindedness (you, as in the kooks in and outside of this forum) it's the extent of your thinking, if one can indeed consider your randomly-firing neurons as the product of conscious thought. "Yeah, but look at what THE DEMOCRATS DID."
I don't blame you; it's hard to blame the idiot, after all, and it's what Trump did. I'm just saying that Steve Bannon would be proud.
Dude, grow up. Rather than having a hysterical meltdown like that just admit you got it wrong.
See, as you just follow the mainstream media that is pushing the Russiagate bullshit, they aren't going to inform you when their lies fall apart. Here it is straight from the mouth of the Google CEO when answering a retarded Russiagater
https://youtu.be/pq7RL-P7-QY
So yes, the whole thing is hilarious. It's incredible that you fell for such bullshit.
Russiagate is the conspiracy theory. The 'facts' of the case building up have nothing to do with 'collusion'.
Oh dear, the problem for you is that Israeli media is far more honest.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.haaretz.com/amp/israel-news/rights-groups-demand-israel-stop-arming-neo-nazis-in-the-ukraine-1.6248727
What you miss because of your ignorance is that there literally couldn't have been a worse President than Hillary. If she was in now, Syria would be like Libya where there's child slave markets in the streets.
-
What you miss because of your ignorance is that there literally couldn't have been a worse President than Hillary. If she was in now, Syria would be like Libya where there's child slave markets in the streets.
I thought she sets them up in pizza shops?
-
What you miss because of your ignorance is that there literally couldn't have been a worse President than Hillary. If she was in now, Syria would be like Libya where there's child slave markets in the streets.
I thought she sets them up in pizza shops?
I know you're too much of a basic bitch to understand but Alex Jones is a fraud and a huckster.
https://youtu.be/erDxW-zTxNo
-
No the United States hasn't been protecting the Jihadists, we backed Osama Bin Laden because he was fighting a war with Russia, and Russia aggression. Osama then later took what we gave him and his group and turned it into a holy war. That isn't starting with intention to create a terrorist group, it turned into a terrorist group because they're opportunists, if anybody is to blame for that it's Russia
But I do agree, that we need to mind our own business. But then again War is profitable, and surprise that's why they do it. Either way, you could say by defacto the USA started al qaeda, because of a proxy war with Russia. But If anybody started these terrorist groups that split it was Russia.
https://www.washingtoninstitute.org/policy-analysis/view/who-is-responsible-for-the-taliban
Yes it has. It armed and funded them too. I know it's not nice to think about but it's reality. The US created Al Qaeda with the help of Pakistan and the Saudis to fight the Soviets. Not the Russians, the Soviet Union, which is dead. The US worked with Al Qaeda before 9/11, during and after. They acted as their airforce in Libya and have funded and armed them in Syria.
Because Russia was invading Afghanistan. The tribal areas grouped together, and we supported them. They then turned our weapons we gave them and used them for terrorism, I think the point you're missing is: Intent. We didnt intend to create any terrorist groups, we just didn't want Russia in the area gaining more control, so we were in a proxy war.
Kind of like what Russia is doing in the Ukraine. They almost always are the agesser, and so then somebody has to clean up the mess. Unfortunately it's the USA, and frankly I wouldn't be that critical of them because you in Europe have enjoyed pretty stable conditions in your neck of the woods despite Russia being your neighbor. If they could annex Europe they would
The Soviet Union might be dead but the idea isn't. Along with all their nuclear weapons
The Soviets. The US didn't stop supporting Al Qaeda after the collapse of the Soviet Union.
Lol don't start the story in the middle. The US launched a military coup using neo Nazis in Ukraine In 2014 to remove the elected leader then installed a US puppet. Ukraine outlawed the Russian language in Crimea thst is mostly Russian speaking.
The Soviet Union was a Communist regime. Russia now is a capitalist country.
I didn't start the story in the middle. You obviously for whatever reason don't understand intent and love the motherland. But we can agree to disagree
Russia is not a capitalist country. It's run by a former KGB agent acting as a defacto dictator. But do tell me more, they want their land back. That's why they jumped the fence in the Ukraine, they always want more land.
Frankly I wish we didn't protect you Europeans. You're so ungrateful
Is that you Donald? :lol1:
Yes it's a capitalist country. The Soviet Union imploded 30 years ago.
Be sure to read Benji.
In basic terms one may label the Russian economy as capitalist. But certainly not a free-enterprise economy, free market NOR a capitalist country in context of American capitalism.
More accurately one would label Russia’s economy as a statist-corporate economy working in an authoritarian environment. Russia’s large corporations often get orders from the government- this does not happen in a free enterprise economy. Russia’s economy is tightly controlled by the government via banking and elite government holdings of stock in major companies. So just as South Korea and Japan- are corporate - statist economies- with a lack of free market freedoms. Japanese, Korean and Chinese companies- and economy have industrial policies, and take actions not on free market economic supply and demand- but on ORDERS and directives- based on a nexus of Government, Banks and corporations- working together at the behest of the government and its set industrial policies- VERY different from the American capitalist free market economy.
-
It is rumored that Mueller has someones nude selfie.
Is it:
Cheeto man (no one wants to see that shit)
Kushner (does he actually have balls...wondering for a friend >:D)
Don Jr.
Melania (we've already seen that shit though)
Ivanka
Maria Butina (a lot of people have probably seen that shit too)
or...did Putin send someone a dick pic :eyebrows:??
Place your bets. :mischief:
I'm going with Melania or Jr...Jr. looks like the type that would email people pictures of his junk. :LOL:
I'm going to go with the rumour was just more lies, gossip, smears and propaganda by a media that has lost all credibility and the ability to report news and the only people REMOTELY interested in it are worthless losers who have to be spoonfed everything to them and will regurgitate on queue and believe this makes them more intelligent, more moral and on the right side of history.
-
If Trump has a dick pic who will be shocked? Nobody.
Nothing at this point shocks me about him. I know he wants Ivankas pussy, you don't need any Intel to know that
-
If Trump has a dick pic who will be shocked? Nobody.
Nothing at this point shocks me about him. I know he wants Ivankas pussy, you don't need any Intel to know that
I think it has to be more twisted than just a common dick pic or Mueller wouldn't be wasting time with it.
Just a wild guess though. :laugh:
-
Dubya has his n00d on here somewhere. It was posted from Enclyclopedia Dramatica titled: youthful indiscretion.
-
What you miss because of your ignorance is that there literally couldn't have been a worse President than Hillary. If she was in now, Syria would be like Libya where there's child slave markets in the streets.
I thought she sets them up in pizza shops?
I know you're too much of a basic bitch to understand but Alex Jones is a fraud and a huckster.
Seems right up your alley.
-
If Trump has a dick pic who will be shocked? Nobody.
Nothing at this point shocks me about him. I know he wants Ivankas pussy, you don't need any Intel to know that
I think it has to be more twisted than just a common dick pic or Mueller wouldn't be wasting time with it.
Just a wild guess though. :laugh:
(https://image.shutterstock.com/image-photo/high-stack-circle-raw-twisted-450w-348837914.jpg)
-
If Trump has a dick pic who will be shocked? Nobody.
Nothing at this point shocks me about him. I know he wants Ivankas pussy, you don't need any Intel to know that
I think it has to be more twisted than just a common dick pic or Mueller wouldn't be wasting time with it.
Just a wild guess though. :laugh:
A group shot, maybe? One night in Moscow?
-
No the United States hasn't been protecting the Jihadists, we backed Osama Bin Laden because he was fighting a war with Russia, and Russia aggression. Osama then later took what we gave him and his group and turned it into a holy war. That isn't starting with intention to create a terrorist group, it turned into a terrorist group because they're opportunists, if anybody is to blame for that it's Russia
But I do agree, that we need to mind our own business. But then again War is profitable, and surprise that's why they do it. Either way, you could say by defacto the USA started al qaeda, because of a proxy war with Russia. But If anybody started these terrorist groups that split it was Russia.
https://www.washingtoninstitute.org/policy-analysis/view/who-is-responsible-for-the-taliban
Yes it has. It armed and funded them too. I know it's not nice to think about but it's reality. The US created Al Qaeda with the help of Pakistan and the Saudis to fight the Soviets. Not the Russians, the Soviet Union, which is dead. The US worked with Al Qaeda before 9/11, during and after. They acted as their airforce in Libya and have funded and armed them in Syria.
Because Russia was invading Afghanistan. The tribal areas grouped together, and we supported them. They then turned our weapons we gave them and used them for terrorism, I think the point you're missing is: Intent. We didnt intend to create any terrorist groups, we just didn't want Russia in the area gaining more control, so we were in a proxy war.
Kind of like what Russia is doing in the Ukraine. They almost always are the agesser, and so then somebody has to clean up the mess. Unfortunately it's the USA, and frankly I wouldn't be that critical of them because you in Europe have enjoyed pretty stable conditions in your neck of the woods despite Russia being your neighbor. If they could annex Europe they would
The Soviet Union might be dead but the idea isn't. Along with all their nuclear weapons
The Soviets. The US didn't stop supporting Al Qaeda after the collapse of the Soviet Union.
Lol don't start the story in the middle. The US launched a military coup using neo Nazis in Ukraine In 2014 to remove the elected leader then installed a US puppet. Ukraine outlawed the Russian language in Crimea thst is mostly Russian speaking.
The Soviet Union was a Communist regime. Russia now is a capitalist country.
I didn't start the story in the middle. You obviously for whatever reason don't understand intent and love the motherland. But we can agree to disagree
Russia is not a capitalist country. It's run by a former KGB agent acting as a defacto dictator. But do tell me more, they want their land back. That's why they jumped the fence in the Ukraine, they always want more land.
Frankly I wish we didn't protect you Europeans. You're so ungrateful
Is that you Donald? :lol1:
Yes it's a capitalist country. The Soviet Union imploded 30 years ago.
Be sure to read Benji.
In basic terms one may label the Russian economy as capitalist. But certainly not a free-enterprise economy, free market NOR a capitalist country in context of American capitalism.
More accurately one would label Russia’s economy as a statist-corporate economy working in an authoritarian environment. Russia’s large corporations often get orders from the government- this does not happen in a free enterprise economy. Russia’s economy is tightly controlled by the government via banking and elite government holdings of stock in major companies. So just as South Korea and Japan- are corporate - statist economies- with a lack of free market freedoms. Japanese, Korean and Chinese companies- and economy have industrial policies, and take actions not on free market economic supply and demand- but on ORDERS and directives- based on a nexus of Government, Banks and corporations- working together at the behest of the government and its set industrial policies- VERY different from the American capitalist free market economy.
Lol. I like how you attack Russia for working pretty much the same way the US works. To make out the US has true free markets is outrageous. Big companies like Boeing get subsidies from the public and the profits are for the company. Look what happened when the banks failed, the public bailed them out with trillions of dollars. Public pays the costs, private companies and their friends in government etc enjoy the profits. Obama's 'affordable health care' stops competition across state borders and from other companies. It's like that across the board, with student loans the most absurd. Because of this crony capitalism you have the rise of socialism haha.
-
What you miss because of your ignorance is that there literally couldn't have been a worse President than Hillary. If she was in now, Syria would be like Libya where there's child slave markets in the streets.
I thought she sets them up in pizza shops?
I know you're too much of a basic bitch to understand but Alex Jones is a fraud and a huckster.
Seems right up your alley.
The irony being that you're as bad as Alex Jones's fans on the opposite side of the spectrum. You're too much of a basic bitch and don't have any critical thinking skills.
-
Doesn't ANY image of the sunburned satsuma count as a dick pic?
And pulling out of syria? what did you all expect? he's finished fucking them, so what did you expect but for him to pull out?
All that's left (for someone with his standards at least) is to wipe his dick on their face and upload it to a real cheap-ass porn site.
-
What you miss because of your ignorance is that there literally couldn't have been a worse President than Hillary. If she was in now, Syria would be like Libya where there's child slave markets in the streets.
I thought she sets them up in pizza shops?
I know you're too much of a basic bitch to understand but Alex Jones is a fraud and a huckster.
Seems right up your alley.
The irony being that you're as bad as Alex Jones's fans on the opposite side of the spectrum. You're too much of a basic bitch and don't have any critical thinking skills.
By 'opposite side' it seems you mean objective reality.
As opposed to your carefully crafted conspiracy theories.
You've put so much work into them that your level of investment means you
(a) know a great deal about the matters and (b) cannot be convinced you are wrong.
It's not worth trying to argue with such folk. It's worth talking to anyone who falls
under their sway though.
-
What you miss because of your ignorance is that there literally couldn't have been a worse President than Hillary. If she was in now, Syria would be like Libya where there's child slave markets in the streets.
I thought she sets them up in pizza shops?
I know you're too much of a basic bitch to understand but Alex Jones is a fraud and a huckster.
Seems right up your alley.
The irony being that you're as bad as Alex Jones's fans on the opposite side of the spectrum. You're too much of a basic bitch and don't have any critical thinking skills.
By 'opposite side' it seems you mean objective reality.
As opposed to your carefully crafted conspiracy theories.
You've put so much work into them that your level of investment means you
(a) know a great deal about the matters and (b) cannot be convinced you are wrong.
It's not worth trying to argue with such folk. It's worth talking to anyone who falls
under their sway though.
I know Russiagate is a hoax. I was against the Iraq war. Those who doubted the claims of 'reality' were called conspiracy theorists, yet everything they said turned out to be true and everything the 'reality' pushers were pushing was a lie. Pretty much the same with every war. I turned out to be right about Libya and Syria too. Here's a great example of 'reality' turning out to be a pack of lies before the first Iraq war.
https://youtu.be/LmfVs3WaE9Y
-
I've been wrong about a great deal of issues. And have had to change my mind pretty much 180.
-
I know Russiagate is a hoax.
Great.
-
No the United States hasn't been protecting the Jihadists, we backed Osama Bin Laden because he was fighting a war with Russia, and Russia aggression. Osama then later took what we gave him and his group and turned it into a holy war. That isn't starting with intention to create a terrorist group, it turned into a terrorist group because they're opportunists, if anybody is to blame for that it's Russia
But I do agree, that we need to mind our own business. But then again War is profitable, and surprise that's why they do it. Either way, you could say by defacto the USA started al qaeda, because of a proxy war with Russia. But If anybody started these terrorist groups that split it was Russia.
https://www.washingtoninstitute.org/policy-analysis/view/who-is-responsible-for-the-taliban
Yes it has. It armed and funded them too. I know it's not nice to think about but it's reality. The US created Al Qaeda with the help of Pakistan and the Saudis to fight the Soviets. Not the Russians, the Soviet Union, which is dead. The US worked with Al Qaeda before 9/11, during and after. They acted as their airforce in Libya and have funded and armed them in Syria.
Because Russia was invading Afghanistan. The tribal areas grouped together, and we supported them. They then turned our weapons we gave them and used them for terrorism, I think the point you're missing is: Intent. We didnt intend to create any terrorist groups, we just didn't want Russia in the area gaining more control, so we were in a proxy war.
Kind of like what Russia is doing in the Ukraine. They almost always are the agesser, and so then somebody has to clean up the mess. Unfortunately it's the USA, and frankly I wouldn't be that critical of them because you in Europe have enjoyed pretty stable conditions in your neck of the woods despite Russia being your neighbor. If they could annex Europe they would
The Soviet Union might be dead but the idea isn't. Along with all their nuclear weapons
The Soviets. The US didn't stop supporting Al Qaeda after the collapse of the Soviet Union.
Lol don't start the story in the middle. The US launched a military coup using neo Nazis in Ukraine In 2014 to remove the elected leader then installed a US puppet. Ukraine outlawed the Russian language in Crimea thst is mostly Russian speaking.
The Soviet Union was a Communist regime. Russia now is a capitalist country.
I didn't start the story in the middle. You obviously for whatever reason don't understand intent and love the motherland. But we can agree to disagree
Russia is not a capitalist country. It's run by a former KGB agent acting as a defacto dictator. But do tell me more, they want their land back. That's why they jumped the fence in the Ukraine, they always want more land.
Frankly I wish we didn't protect you Europeans. You're so ungrateful
Is that you Donald? :lol1:
Yes it's a capitalist country. The Soviet Union imploded 30 years ago.
Be sure to read Benji.
In basic terms one may label the Russian economy as capitalist. But certainly not a free-enterprise economy, free market NOR a capitalist country in context of American capitalism.
More accurately one would label Russia’s economy as a statist-corporate economy working in an authoritarian environment. Russia’s large corporations often get orders from the government- this does not happen in a free enterprise economy. Russia’s economy is tightly controlled by the government via banking and elite government holdings of stock in major companies. So just as South Korea and Japan- are corporate - statist economies- with a lack of free market freedoms. Japanese, Korean and Chinese companies- and economy have industrial policies, and take actions not on free market economic supply and demand- but on ORDERS and directives- based on a nexus of Government, Banks and corporations- working together at the behest of the government and its set industrial policies- VERY different from the American capitalist free market economy.
Lol. I like how you attack Russia for working pretty much the same way the US works. To make out the US has true free markets is outrageous. Big companies like Boeing get subsidies from the public and the profits are for the company. Look what happened when the banks failed, the public bailed them out with trillions of dollars. Public pays the costs, private companies and their friends in government etc enjoy the profits. Obama's 'affordable health care' stops competition across state borders and from other companies. It's like that across the board, with student loans the most absurd. Because of this crony capitalism you have the rise of socialism haha.
Okay so you're missing the point, and or are trying to change the goal posts. The reason the banks got bailed out is because they had to be, least there was total chaos and you'd have raping and pillaging in the streets. Getting subsidies is not the same as the government owning the companies, Benji. I know youre not this dumb or maybe you are, either way Russia's economy is small. It will always be small. Because they're not true capitalist much like the Chinease economy. In short nobody trusts a communist or a 'semi presidential republic' whatever the hell that means lol
-
And believe me our socialism is nothing like yours over in Europe.
Our country makes it hard for anybody to get assistance, your country practically signs you up when you're born. There is a lot of corruption in our politics however. That I will agree
-
If Trump has a dick pic who will be shocked? Nobody.
Nothing at this point shocks me about him. I know he wants Ivankas pussy, you don't need any Intel to know that
:lol1:
I think it has to be more twisted than just a common dick pic or Mueller wouldn't be wasting time with it.
Just a wild guess though. :laugh:
A group shot, maybe? One night in Moscow?
:laugh:
-
I know Russiagate is a hoax. I was against the Iraq war. Those who doubted the claims of 'reality' were called conspiracy theorists, yet everything they said turned out to be true and everything the 'reality' pushers were pushing was a lie. Pretty much the same with every war. I turned out to be right about Libya and Syria too.
(http://www.openminds.tv/wp-content/uploads/I-am-not-saying.jpg)
-
No the United States hasn't been protecting the Jihadists, we backed Osama Bin Laden because he was fighting a war with Russia, and Russia aggression. Osama then later took what we gave him and his group and turned it into a holy war. That isn't starting with intention to create a terrorist group, it turned into a terrorist group because they're opportunists, if anybody is to blame for that it's Russia
But I do agree, that we need to mind our own business. But then again War is profitable, and surprise that's why they do it. Either way, you could say by defacto the USA started al qaeda, because of a proxy war with Russia. But If anybody started these terrorist groups that split it was Russia.
https://www.washingtoninstitute.org/policy-analysis/view/who-is-responsible-for-the-taliban
Yes it has. It armed and funded them too. I know it's not nice to think about but it's reality. The US created Al Qaeda with the help of Pakistan and the Saudis to fight the Soviets. Not the Russians, the Soviet Union, which is dead. The US worked with Al Qaeda before 9/11, during and after. They acted as their airforce in Libya and have funded and armed them in Syria.
Because Russia was invading Afghanistan. The tribal areas grouped together, and we supported them. They then turned our weapons we gave them and used them for terrorism, I think the point you're missing is: Intent. We didnt intend to create any terrorist groups, we just didn't want Russia in the area gaining more control, so we were in a proxy war.
Kind of like what Russia is doing in the Ukraine. They almost always are the agesser, and so then somebody has to clean up the mess. Unfortunately it's the USA, and frankly I wouldn't be that critical of them because you in Europe have enjoyed pretty stable conditions in your neck of the woods despite Russia being your neighbor. If they could annex Europe they would
The Soviet Union might be dead but the idea isn't. Along with all their nuclear weapons
The Soviets. The US didn't stop supporting Al Qaeda after the collapse of the Soviet Union.
Lol don't start the story in the middle. The US launched a military coup using neo Nazis in Ukraine In 2014 to remove the elected leader then installed a US puppet. Ukraine outlawed the Russian language in Crimea thst is mostly Russian speaking.
The Soviet Union was a Communist regime. Russia now is a capitalist country.
I didn't start the story in the middle. You obviously for whatever reason don't understand intent and love the motherland. But we can agree to disagree
Russia is not a capitalist country. It's run by a former KGB agent acting as a defacto dictator. But do tell me more, they want their land back. That's why they jumped the fence in the Ukraine, they always want more land.
Frankly I wish we didn't protect you Europeans. You're so ungrateful
Is that you Donald? :lol1:
Yes it's a capitalist country. The Soviet Union imploded 30 years ago.
Be sure to read Benji.
In basic terms one may label the Russian economy as capitalist. But certainly not a free-enterprise economy, free market NOR a capitalist country in context of American capitalism.
More accurately one would label Russia’s economy as a statist-corporate economy working in an authoritarian environment. Russia’s large corporations often get orders from the government- this does not happen in a free enterprise economy. Russia’s economy is tightly controlled by the government via banking and elite government holdings of stock in major companies. So just as South Korea and Japan- are corporate - statist economies- with a lack of free market freedoms. Japanese, Korean and Chinese companies- and economy have industrial policies, and take actions not on free market economic supply and demand- but on ORDERS and directives- based on a nexus of Government, Banks and corporations- working together at the behest of the government and its set industrial policies- VERY different from the American capitalist free market economy.
Lol. I like how you attack Russia for working pretty much the same way the US works. To make out the US has true free markets is outrageous. Big companies like Boeing get subsidies from the public and the profits are for the company. Look what happened when the banks failed, the public bailed them out with trillions of dollars. Public pays the costs, private companies and their friends in government etc enjoy the profits. Obama's 'affordable health care' stops competition across state borders and from other companies. It's like that across the board, with student loans the most absurd. Because of this crony capitalism you have the rise of socialism haha.
Okay so you're missing the point, and or are trying to change the goal posts. The reason the banks got bailed out is because they had to be, least there was total chaos and you'd have raping and pillaging in the streets. Getting subsidies is not the same as the government owning the companies, Benji. I know youre not this dumb or maybe you are, either way Russia's economy is small. It will always be small. Because they're not true capitalist much like the Chinease economy. In short nobody trusts a communist or a 'semi presidential republic' whatever the hell that means lol
They caused the mess. They didn't have to be bailed out and if it was a true free market they wouldn't have been. I didn't say it was, they are in it together. It's socialism, for the rich.
Their economy is small but they have changed things around with exports like gas and grain under Putin.
If the US was a true free market society then libertarians like Ron Paul could rest easily. Check out Noam Chomsky- Free Market Fantasies.
-
I know Russiagate is a hoax. I was against the Iraq war. Those who doubted the claims of 'reality' were called conspiracy theorists, yet everything they said turned out to be true and everything the 'reality' pushers were pushing was a lie. Pretty much the same with every war. I turned out to be right about Libya and Syria too.
(http://www.openminds.tv/wp-content/uploads/I-am-not-saying.jpg)
Yeah stick to just posting pictures, it's all you're capable of. You accused me of being crazy with 2 subjects in your last post then I gave you the evidence. You're too retarded to learn or admit when you got things wrong.
-
No the United States hasn't been protecting the Jihadists, we backed Osama Bin Laden because he was fighting a war with Russia, and Russia aggression. Osama then later took what we gave him and his group and turned it into a holy war. That isn't starting with intention to create a terrorist group, it turned into a terrorist group because they're opportunists, if anybody is to blame for that it's Russia
But I do agree, that we need to mind our own business. But then again War is profitable, and surprise that's why they do it. Either way, you could say by defacto the USA started al qaeda, because of a proxy war with Russia. But If anybody started these terrorist groups that split it was Russia.
https://www.washingtoninstitute.org/policy-analysis/view/who-is-responsible-for-the-taliban
Yes it has. It armed and funded them too. I know it's not nice to think about but it's reality. The US created Al Qaeda with the help of Pakistan and the Saudis to fight the Soviets. Not the Russians, the Soviet Union, which is dead. The US worked with Al Qaeda before 9/11, during and after. They acted as their airforce in Libya and have funded and armed them in Syria.
Because Russia was invading Afghanistan. The tribal areas grouped together, and we supported them. They then turned our weapons we gave them and used them for terrorism, I think the point you're missing is: Intent. We didnt intend to create any terrorist groups, we just didn't want Russia in the area gaining more control, so we were in a proxy war.
Kind of like what Russia is doing in the Ukraine. They almost always are the agesser, and so then somebody has to clean up the mess. Unfortunately it's the USA, and frankly I wouldn't be that critical of them because you in Europe have enjoyed pretty stable conditions in your neck of the woods despite Russia being your neighbor. If they could annex Europe they would
The Soviet Union might be dead but the idea isn't. Along with all their nuclear weapons
The Soviets. The US didn't stop supporting Al Qaeda after the collapse of the Soviet Union.
Lol don't start the story in the middle. The US launched a military coup using neo Nazis in Ukraine In 2014 to remove the elected leader then installed a US puppet. Ukraine outlawed the Russian language in Crimea thst is mostly Russian speaking.
The Soviet Union was a Communist regime. Russia now is a capitalist country.
I didn't start the story in the middle. You obviously for whatever reason don't understand intent and love the motherland. But we can agree to disagree
Russia is not a capitalist country. It's run by a former KGB agent acting as a defacto dictator. But do tell me more, they want their land back. That's why they jumped the fence in the Ukraine, they always want more land.
Frankly I wish we didn't protect you Europeans. You're so ungrateful
Is that you Donald? :lol1:
Yes it's a capitalist country. The Soviet Union imploded 30 years ago.
Be sure to read Benji.
In basic terms one may label the Russian economy as capitalist. But certainly not a free-enterprise economy, free market NOR a capitalist country in context of American capitalism.
More accurately one would label Russia’s economy as a statist-corporate economy working in an authoritarian environment. Russia’s large corporations often get orders from the government- this does not happen in a free enterprise economy. Russia’s economy is tightly controlled by the government via banking and elite government holdings of stock in major companies. So just as South Korea and Japan- are corporate - statist economies- with a lack of free market freedoms. Japanese, Korean and Chinese companies- and economy have industrial policies, and take actions not on free market economic supply and demand- but on ORDERS and directives- based on a nexus of Government, Banks and corporations- working together at the behest of the government and its set industrial policies- VERY different from the American capitalist free market economy.
Lol. I like how you attack Russia for working pretty much the same way the US works. To make out the US has true free markets is outrageous. Big companies like Boeing get subsidies from the public and the profits are for the company. Look what happened when the banks failed, the public bailed them out with trillions of dollars. Public pays the costs, private companies and their friends in government etc enjoy the profits. Obama's 'affordable health care' stops competition across state borders and from other companies. It's like that across the board, with student loans the most absurd. Because of this crony capitalism you have the rise of socialism haha.
Okay so you're missing the point, and or are trying to change the goal posts. The reason the banks got bailed out is because they had to be, least there was total chaos and you'd have raping and pillaging in the streets. Getting subsidies is not the same as the government owning the companies, Benji. I know youre not this dumb or maybe you are, either way Russia's economy is small. It will always be small. Because they're not true capitalist much like the Chinease economy. In short nobody trusts a communist or a 'semi presidential republic' whatever the hell that means lol
They caused the mess. They didn't have to be bailed out and if it was a true free market they wouldn't have been. I didn't say it was, they are in it together. It's socialism, for the rich.
Their economy is small but they have changed things around with exports like gas and grain under Putin.
If the US was a true free market society then libertarians like Ron Paul could rest easily. Check out Noam Chomsky- Free Market Fantasies.
Libertarian ideas sound great, but in practice they're not. You need basic inforstructor, social safety nets for a healthy society. If you did away with government completely you'd wind up with a mess. If you want to decentralize the Central bank and go back to States issuing their own money Maybe you could set up a barter system in place of money but you need a government in some form. What if another country comes on over and decides to attack you? You and your neighbors gonna defend yourselves against another country? Umm
Who will decide whether or not somebody can dump mercury in a river? If a surgeon has to use sterile instruments durnig the operation? You wanna leave that to what the good will of men? lol
-
I know Russiagate is a hoax. I was against the Iraq war. Those who doubted the claims of 'reality' were called conspiracy theorists, yet everything they said turned out to be true and everything the 'reality' pushers were pushing was a lie. Pretty much the same with every war. I turned out to be right about Libya and Syria too.
(http://www.openminds.tv/wp-content/uploads/I-am-not-saying.jpg)
Yeah stick to just posting pictures, it's all you're capable of. You accused me of being crazy with 2 subjects in your last post then I gave you the evidence. You're too retarded to learn or admit when you got things wrong.
I post pictures when your content becomes too crazy for a serious response. I was tempted to post one more now but I wanted to be nice. The Ancient Aliens guy would have been more to the point, though, considering that you're not giving me or anyone else any evidence, you're just parroting conspiracy theories and (deliberately?) rewriting history.
-
Chances are, mainstream chemical industry is going to be shy of offloading mercury waste that way now, it'll get found out sooner or later, after there is an environmental disaster, they won't want to be supporting human vegetables for the rest of their existence, and people in general by now are pretty well aware of Hg being bad news in general.
I still see it happening though by some clandestine chemists, makes me SO fucking pissed when I hear something like 'yeah, I ditch industrial sized drums of my Al/Hg waste [sorry, shorthand for aluminium amalgam reduction, commonly just referred to as the Al/Hg, used for reducing phenylnitroalkenes direct to the aminoalkanes, especially in large-scale amphetamine manufacture. And used for reductive amination of ketones like P2P/phenylacetone, for the same purpose, basically it involves amalgamation of cut up thick aluminium foil (thinner types react faster, in potentially volcanic fashion) with a mercuric salt, mercuric chloride often as not. Very commonly used, often by those who can't figure out alternative routes, I don't use it myself, I've a hate-hate relationship with that particular reduction technique, I hate it, it hates me and I've never got it to work, it's unpredictable, exothermic as hell, and worse, it NEEDS that initial soyuz-esque blastoff of exothermia to get going, and then has to be put on external heating to maintain it over several hours at a downright alarming roiling reflux, that's a few inches of condenser height short of blowing itself all over the ceiling. Produces a load of toxic mercury wastes, and it's a complete wanker to workup the resultant thick slurry of digested aluminium waste, balled up Al foil and something that looks like grey phlegm, only with less attractive characteristics to it's name. Some times it'll take off like a rocket, other times even a blowtorch and external heating on a hotplate won't get it to kick.)
People have admitted to literally just dumping the waste in barrels buried in the woods, 70 gallon drums of the noxious toxic crap left behind, I have to confess, that is one of THE worst things I've ever heard, as far as clandestine chemistry goes, not counting a few accidents affecting people on a personal level. There's more than one 'bee' (not that I consider them worth the name, hence the quotation marks, intended to convey scathing sarcasm) who's been sent away with their ears burning after my giving them a real roasting for that this year. I hope it'll be the last time I see it, but somehow I doubt it.
Large companies these days wouldn't get away with it for long. And people would be PISSED when they find out who's responsible.
-
I dunno... do you suppose mercury would explain Trump?
-
Jesse- I'm not a libertarian. Im.just sympathetic to ideas against the current system. I support a national healthcare system.
There can still be laws without such outrageous interference from government in the business world.
-
I know Russiagate is a hoax. I was against the Iraq war. Those who doubted the claims of 'reality' were called conspiracy theorists, yet everything they said turned out to be true and everything the 'reality' pushers were pushing was a lie. Pretty much the same with every war. I turned out to be right about Libya and Syria too.
(http://www.openminds.tv/wp-content/uploads/I-am-not-saying.jpg)
Yeah stick to just posting pictures, it's all you're capable of. You accused me of being crazy with 2 subjects in your last post then I gave you the evidence. You're too retarded to learn or admit when you got things wrong.
I post pictures when your content becomes too crazy for a serious response. I was tempted to post one more now but I wanted to be nice. The Ancient Aliens guy would have been more to the point, though, considering that you're not giving me or anyone else any evidence, you're just parroting conspiracy theories and (deliberately?) rewriting history.
You just had no answers when you got proved wrong. So you resort to your pictures. I gave you evidence to prove points which you were calling me crazy for. You were ignorant of the facts so you just grab for your comfort blanket :hahaha:
-
Jesse- I'm not a libertarian. Im.just sympathetic to ideas against the current system. I support a national healthcare system.
There can still be laws without such outrageous interference from government in the business world.
Move to America. Preferably a Red state, Texas, Mississippi, Kentucky, West Virgina. You can: Dump coal ash in rivers, Frack to your hearts desire oh. And you'll have to apply for medical insurance there, if you qualify you will receive basic care and you might have to be employed, be a student, or volunteer. You aint gettin shit for free here. It isnt like Europeeeee
Sounds like you have a country problem.
On a more serious note, I think some regulations are needed. Some government involvement is surely needed, because I do not trust consumers and or people. They are in my opinion most times too stupid, how they even dress themselves in the morning is beyond amazing. I don't trust them at all
Look who are president is. A former fucking reality TV star, who's made famous by saying "you're fired!"
And grabbing women's pussies. And they let him do it because hes a star! :autism:
-
Well it can drive people mental before eventually killing them.
Sadly, I doubt we're going to have any such luck, he's just going to stay mental and alive.
But Hg toxicity results in sufficient brain damage, as a rule, if severe, to render someone too far gone to pull off the lying and dissembling of a politician.
-
Les - you remind me of that guy who thinks we're all fucked anyways so why not try some chemicals. :laugh:
-
What? you think we AREN'T all fucked?
Just look at the sort of creatures running most countries, and it'll take about two minutes to realize we aren't just fucked, we've got snot-nosed uppity posh rich gits fucking us in the arse, then using their shit-covered pencil-dicks to write us the bill for the privilege.
-
We are fucked. But at the same time it's good to be alive, can you imagine living 100 years from now? Or 100 years from now in the past?
We are at the golden age of humanity. Where it is good to be alive, Internet, Cars, Porn, Good drugs, excellent healthcare and stable conditions.
Our planet 100 years from now is totally fucked
-
Depends a lot on where you are. Plenty of places with heavily censored internet, plenty unstable pest-holes, and too many places where the healthcare is excellent IF you are stinking rich, (or rich and stinking)
I'll give you the one on transport, and the internet, certainly. I remember the days of primitive dial-up, slow as hell and highly limited, hell my chemistry education, at least when I was younger, (autodidactic education that is, my first sped school didn't even bother to pay lip service to the sciences), that had me more or less hogging certain books on constant renewing loan, unless there was a specific request for them from someone else, which thankfully there never was.
Granted, there were a few unintended explosions (you'd be quite surprised just how loud a bang a flower vase can make, if some kid drills a pair of holes in it, feeds in a pair of carbon electrodes, fills it with caustic soda and then connects it directly to the mains, after hacking the plug to take a cast lead slug instead of a fuse...:autism:), although more quite intentional ones, and a couple of major fuckups, like getting a white phosphorus burn on a wrist, tiny, luckily, but ended up with a paralyzed right arm for quite a long time after, not to mention some time wondering if I was going to drop dead of liver failure)
But now...damn...information that would have taken me weeks of reading and experimenting, maybe more, right there, even paywall-cracking tools like sci-hub to sneak past the paywalls of greedy publishers, I'll have in minutes. Few years ago, I had to rely, as did many others, on the good graces of those in university pulling papers at request, now it's just copy-paste and a mouse click away.
And anything that can bring a kinky teen autie chick finding some altogether novel uses for several jars of peanut butter to one's browser...definitely got it's good points..
-
So what you're saying is now you're comfortable
-
I know Russiagate is a hoax. I was against the Iraq war. Those who doubted the claims of 'reality' were called conspiracy theorists, yet everything they said turned out to be true and everything the 'reality' pushers were pushing was a lie. Pretty much the same with every war. I turned out to be right about Libya and Syria too.
(http://www.openminds.tv/wp-content/uploads/I-am-not-saying.jpg)
Yeah stick to just posting pictures, it's all you're capable of. You accused me of being crazy with 2 subjects in your last post then I gave you the evidence. You're too retarded to learn or admit when you got things wrong.
I post pictures when your content becomes too crazy for a serious response. I was tempted to post one more now but I wanted to be nice. The Ancient Aliens guy would have been more to the point, though, considering that you're not giving me or anyone else any evidence, you're just parroting conspiracy theories and (deliberately?) rewriting history.
You just had no answers when you got proved wrong. So you resort to your pictures. I gave you evidence to prove points which you were calling me crazy for. You were ignorant of the facts so you just grab for your comfort blanket :hahaha:
(https://static1.squarespace.com/static/5893faa1ebbd1a8f680352a1/t/5b468335aa4a99d99e8845c5/1531349134876/THECONFESSIONALS7.jpg)
-
Not as much as I ought to be.
In particular, there is one specific medication, that after YEARS, literally, years, of trying, including putting together culled research article fulltexts, and collating them, highlighting the most useful information, and talking my GP, the senior GP who runs the clinic I go to for my medical needs, he eventually agreed to support my being on it.
It's called memantine. An NMDA antagonist, (this mode of action is shared by PCP, ketamine, and other dissociative anaesthetics, such as the noble gas xenon, nitrous oxide, and others, although memantine is very, very different from these, in that it's a low-trapping, relatively low affinity antagonist with rapid dissociation kinetics, and a very long duration of action, and is also partially voltage-gated in it's binding kinetics, meaning unlike the dissociative drugs, memantine selectively binds to only NMDA receptors in the depolarized state, after the channel opens, thereby inhibiting only excessive NMDA receptor activity without compromizing normal function. It CAN be dissociative, but only in very large doses, massive compared to typical doses.)
Originally developed for alzheimer's disease treatment, it has quite a few other very laudable traits, although these are woefully littleknown and underexploited.
For example in patients with chronic pain who need to take powerful, and addictive painkillers of the opiate type, memantine does the following:
It more or less abates psychological compulsive need tendencies, or even caring about them, to the point where I had to literally remember to go and take them, felt no desire caused by the pain meds to use them at all.
It STAMPS on tolerance acquisition, slowing it drastictally.
It also greatly diminishes any tolerance one already may have.
It works wonders on physical withdrawals, vastly minimizing their impact and unpleasantness, the awful overloading, akathisia and other nasty symptoms of physical withdrawal if one does drop their dose, miss a dose or decide to go cold turkey and fuck them off even, or is prevented from taking their dose (saved me once, after being held a day, overnight and into the next day after being wrongfully arrested by the filth. Due to it's loooooong action, I didn't withdraw at all, despite being denied my pain meds, as the day before I'd taken a large dose of memantine, a couple of hundred mg orally, although from personal experience, such dose ranges are what I've found through trial and error, well, just trial really, to suit me best. Kept the dogs at bay 100%, without it, I'd have been in a living hell on earth after that long off the doses of pain meds I am on.
Also, it can help boost memory and cognitive performance, diminish excitotoxicity, and promote neuronal survival through several mechanisms.
And in me, personally, the memory problems, cognitive 'brain fog' I struggle with so often, and sometimes debilitatingly, the executive dysfunction, all the psychological-neurological problems of that kind just fucking evaporate into the aether as if they never were. As a bonus, I overload less by far, fear responses are dampened, but not to a level where acute danger signals would be overridden, it helps with physical pain, and unlike opioids, it helps a lot of people with pain of a neuropathic sort which just doesn't respond much if at all, for some, to opiates until the sufferer of nerve injuries is given a dose of opiate sufficient to render them unconscious completely. Brings my motivation up. I'm not someone I'd say is depressed, but there's a powerful antidepressive quality to it, and mood-elevating effects without being akin to something like speed. A gentle uplifting stimulation with no peripheral cardiovascular adrenergic type effects, no jitteriness, it's literally a lifesaver, wonder-drug with a million and one benefits when I can get hold of any.
It's the difference between life and death, day and night, white and black, pleasure and pain, it is THAT much of a boon to me. So many things it helps with, with a lot of side effects, and each and every single one of those side effects a GOOD one. Or a fucking brilliant one.
It can even be used to potentiate opioids, both allowing a lesser dosage of opioid to be used, and if mixed in as a dual-component solution into an injectable opioid, the rush is made phenomenally long-lasting and enough to knock a horse over.
I've had a dose of a couple of hundred milligrams of memantine for example, turn a 300mg intravenous dose of 6-monoacetoxydihydromorphine, a potent opioid that can be prepared by a simultaneous demethylation-esterification induced by heating dihydrocodeine freebase, with 2ml of a 33% solution of anhydrous hydrogen bromide as a solution in glacial acetic acid per gram of DHC base, in 2ml of regular GAA as solvent to 90-100 'C for two hours, then workup by simply adding methanol, and rotavapping off the methyl ester of the acetic acid/traces of gaseous (and highly toxic, carcinogenic) methyl bromide formed, adding a little more methanol at a time until it tests no longer acidic to wide-range PH indicator paper, and stripping off that last little bit of methanol.
Then all thats needed are solvent washes, of the formed dihydromorphine-6-acetate, yield nearly quantitative, although a small proportion of the 3,6-diester, dihydroheroin is formed. Although it isn't at all an undesirable or unwelcome byproduct considering one is intending to synthesize an extremely similar, potent opioid to begin with. But more or less selective for 6-O-demethylation. The traces of HBr present after, catalyzing a subsequent fischer esterification, to form the ester from the glacial acetic acid solvent, giving the acetate and some HBr salt of the opioid as the result.
Quick, easy and a very pleasant, potent product from crappy dihydrocodeine.
Mixed 300mg of that, without removal of dihydroheroin, in whatever proportion it was formed, 200mg memantine or so, into the same syringe, and shot as one would, IV, and fuck ME..the IV rush that accompanies IV of many potent opiates, it wasn't just amplified to a huge degree, it was prolonged massively. Not the usual minutes, but over 3/4 of an HOUR!, and so damn hard, was I rushing, before the main effects even began, that I could barely even stand up, but was lurching from support to support, stair rails, tables, sofas, just to keep from my knees buckling from the intensity of the sheer chest-pounding euphoria.
And to put the dose into perspective, tolerance-wise, at the time, I could easily withstand and enjoy a 1.5g dose of intravenous morphine, or even an entire gram of dipropionylmorphine (the dipropionate ester, the propionyl analog of heroin, it lasts longer, up to 15 or even 17 hours, compared to 6 hours for morphine sulfate or heroin, it hits harder, more euphoric, better rush, more potent than H by weight, at least as potent again to H as H is to morphine [H is about 2.5-3x the potency of morphine, when both are given IV], its just all round a superior compound compared to diamorphine. And I've had both of them uncut, prepared from pharmaceutical grade morphine, DEFINITELY uncut, not dealer-schpiel to sell product, but verified by attending upon the process personally from beginning to end. From extraction of pure, pharm grade morphine from morphine XR capsules, purification, esterification, purification again and workup. So I can safely say I KNOW there was no cut, in what I am making the comparisons based against), at the time, I could IV a fucking GRAM dose of dipropionylmorphine and just smile, light a cigar and lay back with a beer, without fear of overdose, or even nausea.
Even taking the greater potency of dihydromorphine compared to morphine, and the esters likewise, into account, there's no way 300mg of 6-monoacetoxydihydromorphine could have done THAT to me, then, without the memantine,
But despite all these multitude of boons granted me by memantine, my GP supporting it, apparently he has to get specialist approval from a specialist of some kind, before I actually see it on my prescription. I've been waiting over a year AFTER he said 'yes'. And it's pissing me off big time. Always promises of jam tomorrow. Well tomorrow never comes. The only memantine I get, I have to buy myself, or else I had a gift of a couple of grams of pure memantine powder (doses start from 5-10mg in alzheimers patients although for my uses I find 100-200mg ideal per dose, either once or twice daily)
Medical system, even with our NHS could be a LOT better. It isn't super-expensive, it's just an off-label use. Because it's only approved for moderately severe alzheimers disease. Which of course I do not have.
But shit, it's not a drug of abuse, and I was able to be put on chlormethiazole for my seizures at just my request, on the grounds of it's being the GABAa agonist type anticonvulsant drug which I prefer above all others, same goes for sedative-hypnotics, I just personally like it better than any other. And it works for me, works fast and works well, and I HAVEN'T, astonishingly, developed a physical dependency to it; it just seems to work well with the way I'm personally wired up.
And chlormethiazole can certainly be abused or used recreationally, it's a downer of the old-fashioned nigh extinct these days wallbanger style. Dangerous or deadly in overdose, but most effective and with a kick no benzo will ever be able to aspire to. If all that it took to get me on that, despite it's not being licensed here for anticonvulsant usage, only for temporary severe anxiety or short term insomnia treatment, as well as in in-patient alcohol detox; is personal preference, then surely my GP can make the decision on his own back, and his clinical choice is his to make?
It's becoming SO frustrating, knowing that a fix for so many issues with a single medicine, that literally works miracles exists, is not expensive, is available in this country on the NHS, that the senior GP who owns the clinic agree'd with me that yes, I should be allowed to start on it, that it is there, but always jam tomorrow but none today.
That I've seriously considered synthesizing it, from the ground up, constructing the methylated adamantane core of it (it's a relative of amantadine, an antiviral drug actually), saving the money up for a R&D effort, and enough reagents once the synthesis is perfected, workup and cleaning perfected and optimized etc. that I could then knock out a kilo batch, maybe even 5kg and have it last me many many years.
So comfortable? could be worse, I could be stuck in a dark ages shithole for healthcare like the US (seeing as I'm not frothing with money coming out of my ass and ears and nose all at once), or could be in some arab-infested jihadi hellpit like syria. But the docs look down on chronic pain patients just because they need opiate painkillers to be able to physically remain able. Without them, I'd not even be able to lie down, I'd be in so much constant horrendous pain with my hips, walking would be a nightmare and I'd be pretty badly disabled, worse than I am as things are, in terms of mobility. Even WITH the painkillers I'm in I should be walking with a cane. I just haven't GOT a cane anymore, after I had to whack someone over the head with mine, and it broke the cane after I'd given the recipient a good noggin floggin'. So I need to get the time and remember to build myself a nice new one, out of the right wood, ebony, I think, is what I'd like, Perhaps with mahogany patterning, inlaid with silver inscriptions and decorative work that I'll have to craft myself using the technique of lost-wax casting for the lettering and scrollwork, take the time to cut precise depth and width incisions into the cane to set the silver lettering and decorative inlays, as well as cast the metal parts of the part wood, part metal handle. Along with a concealed locking mechanism that can be unlocked with something like pressure applied to a small hidden switch in something like a decorative head of a mythological beast of greek legend (I've always had a fondness for ancient greek legend and mythology), to allow a reinforced carbon fiber blade with a toughened glass or fused quartz blade edge, something that won't show up on X-rays in the handle, and to get myself (albeit not cheaply) a piece of iridium metal to machine (with difficulty I should imagine, too, given the extreme resilience and hardness of iridium) for an end-cap for the bottom that won't wear down. (Ir is both extremely heavy, if ever I need whack a pikey over the bonce with it, very dense, either just under, or just over the density of osmium, by a fraction of a percent, it's also both VERY chemical-resistant, attacked only by halogens at high temperatures, fluorine gas at least, not sure if the other halogens would attack it, as well as molten, fused caustic alkali metal hydroxides at several hundred degrees 'C, and molten sodium/potassium cyanide. But it's just as physically hard and tough as it is chemically resistant. Used in an alloy with osmium, another platinum-group metal for giving a thin surface plating to the nibs of high-end fountain pen nibs to prevent them suffering wear, due to the extreme hardness of the metal)
I've got just the design in mind, I just need to save for the materials, and then apply the time and effort to sufficiently fine craftmanship. I've already got a set of gem-setting pliers, for jewellery manufacture, as the animal head, a cobra with spread hood, or perhaps one of the large vipers, or the viper-like elapid snake of australia known as the death-adder, although a hooded cobra would look great, could inlay the oo lemiscate-shape on the back of the hood of a snake like a Rinkhals spitting cobra in niobium, anodize it to give it a lovely play of colours, whilst the rest of the head would be cast in silver, with just a trace of other alloying elements to harden it, would like to inset a pair of different coloured gemstones into the eyes too, say a sapphire in one eye, and an emerald for the other, or a ruby and an emerald pair.
Anyhow though, even as it is, just BEING on these meds, for pain, which comes from undeniable injuries sustained in childhood (hard to fake falling on a large spike of glass, and having to drag yourself home for several miles with it having penetrated through the patellar tendon into the joint, blood everywhere, in hospital) and getting my knee stamped on as I was recovering. Knee surgeries, lots of steroid shots into my knee joint, as well as into both hips. As well as knee surgery, nerve damage as a result....but just needing pain meds, even the docs who first prescribed them look at you as if you are a pariah.
-
I know Russiagate is a hoax. I was against the Iraq war. Those who doubted the claims of 'reality' were called conspiracy theorists, yet everything they said turned out to be true and everything the 'reality' pushers were pushing was a lie. Pretty much the same with every war. I turned out to be right about Libya and Syria too.
(http://www.openminds.tv/wp-content/uploads/I-am-not-saying.jpg)
Yeah stick to just posting pictures, it's all you're capable of. You accused me of being crazy with 2 subjects in your last post then I gave you the evidence. You're too retarded to learn or admit when you got things wrong.
I post pictures when your content becomes too crazy for a serious response. I was tempted to post one more now but I wanted to be nice. The Ancient Aliens guy would have been more to the point, though, considering that you're not giving me or anyone else any evidence, you're just parroting conspiracy theories and (deliberately?) rewriting history.
You just had no answers when you got proved wrong. So you resort to your pictures. I gave you evidence to prove points which you were calling me crazy for. You were ignorant of the facts so you just grab for your comfort blanket :hahaha:
(https://static1.squarespace.com/static/5893faa1ebbd1a8f680352a1/t/5b468335aa4a99d99e8845c5/1531349134876/THECONFESSIONALS7.jpg)
Benji is right again.
I never thought I would say this. Between you and Benji, you have nothing and Benji has it all over you, whereas Richard and Benji are equally matched in their respective debate and there are good points all around. I mostly disagree with Richard but he gives many pauses to consider and gives well thought out positions. Benji mostly has the right of it but Richard trumps his positions occasionally. You are outclassed by both of them.
How the mighty has regressed.
-
I'm not sure 'trumping someone's position' is quite what it once was, anymore.
Same goes for holding the trump card. Means you've either got a sunburned teratoma in dire need of an attitude-adjustment delivered via the intermediacy of a large, heavy monkey wrench (afterall, what else would you use to wrench a monkey :tard:), or, if british idiom is used, a fart, in your hand.
-
I know Russiagate is a hoax. I was against the Iraq war. Those who doubted the claims of 'reality' were called conspiracy theorists, yet everything they said turned out to be true and everything the 'reality' pushers were pushing was a lie. Pretty much the same with every war. I turned out to be right about Libya and Syria too.
(http://www.openminds.tv/wp-content/uploads/I-am-not-saying.jpg)
Yeah stick to just posting pictures, it's all you're capable of. You accused me of being crazy with 2 subjects in your last post then I gave you the evidence. You're too retarded to learn or admit when you got things wrong.
I post pictures when your content becomes too crazy for a serious response. I was tempted to post one more now but I wanted to be nice. The Ancient Aliens guy would have been more to the point, though, considering that you're not giving me or anyone else any evidence, you're just parroting conspiracy theories and (deliberately?) rewriting history.
You just had no answers when you got proved wrong. So you resort to your pictures. I gave you evidence to prove points which you were calling me crazy for. You were ignorant of the facts so you just grab for your comfort blanket :hahaha:
(https://static1.squarespace.com/static/5893faa1ebbd1a8f680352a1/t/5b468335aa4a99d99e8845c5/1531349134876/THECONFESSIONALS7.jpg)
Benji is right again.
I never thought I would say this. Between you and Benji, you have nothing and Benji has it all over you, whereas Richard and Benji are equally matched in their respective debate and there are good points all around. I mostly disagree with Richard but he gives many pauses to consider and gives well thought out positions. Benji mostly has the right of it but Richard trumps his positions occasionally. You are outclassed by both of them.
How the mighty has regressed.
(https://static1.squarespace.com/static/5893faa1ebbd1a8f680352a1/t/5b4683890e2e725582eec51a/1531349134881/THECONFESSIONALS5.jpg)
-
Fracking will get banned.
Thanks Les
-
For the brainwashed :zoinks:
https://youtu.be/tqqwTgk8ri0
-
I'm glad I don't live in an area that they have started fracking up (think of it phonetically...), I've heard nothing good about it, EVER. A great many reports involving noxious chemical-laden, stinking slop coming out of the taps, even reports of flammable water, and usually the water supply coming out looking like it just came out of someone's arse after a dodgy prawn curry and way too much gut-rot special brew lager consumed the night before by a particularly shabby, dirty hobo.
I don't want it anywhere near me, they want to start that round here, they can go frack their mothers instead. I don't want to come OUT of a shower covered in more dirt than I went in there to get rid of. Or wash my hair, and find that when I go to light a cigar, my head ends up as a ball of flame. I really, really do shudder to think what drinking that stuff does to anybody who gets desperate enough to try, after everyone has already bought up all the bottled water and bagged ice from anywhere nearby, who can't travel. From the things I've heard about fracking, I wouldn't want it on my skin, or to breathe the fumes given off from the tap water houses in the area end up with, much less bathe in it or worse, drink it.
Hell, I'd have second thoughts about crapping in it, for fear it might turn my arse ring into a giant tumor hanging down to my ankles and dragging my dick down with it until it's stretched by several entire inches and I have no choice but to tie it into my shoelaces to stop my jap's eye getting gravel stuck in it as I walk, or being burnt by people's discarded cigarette butts :autism:
-
For the brainwashed :zoinks:
(https://thumbs.gfycat.com/SmoothHideousKite-max-1mb.gif)
-
I'm glad I don't live in an area that they have started fracking up (think of it phonetically...), I've heard nothing good about it, EVER.
So far the water's not flammable or the toilet has exploded ;)....yet. Other places not too far away aren't as lucky. Most are embracing it with open arms and can't sign the land leases fast enough. Wells and ponds have been sucked dry though...fracking takes a shitload of water.
But the area is poor. Most see dollar signs and jobs right now in their fight to survive...only when the oil dries up and they're unemployed again will they see what it did to the land...like the mines that caught on fire and still burn underground north of here, streams and creeks that still have a tint of orange after 30 years, and the strip mining that left things barren and took years for nature to reclaim.
A few have banded together and figured out that normally a minimum number of signatures is needed to establish a new well (if a judge doesn't over ride it)...so some holdouts remain wallpapering rooms with the letters and being silent about it to their "friends". But the oil companies will continue to send out letters and reps...they are relentless...and time is on their side.
-
I know Russiagate is a hoax. I was against the Iraq war. Those who doubted the claims of 'reality' were called conspiracy theorists, yet everything they said turned out to be true and everything the 'reality' pushers were pushing was a lie. Pretty much the same with every war. I turned out to be right about Libya and Syria too.
(http://www.openminds.tv/wp-content/uploads/I-am-not-saying.jpg)
Yeah stick to just posting pictures, it's all you're capable of. You accused me of being crazy with 2 subjects in your last post then I gave you the evidence. You're too retarded to learn or admit when you got things wrong.
I post pictures when your content becomes too crazy for a serious response. I was tempted to post one more now but I wanted to be nice. The Ancient Aliens guy would have been more to the point, though, considering that you're not giving me or anyone else any evidence, you're just parroting conspiracy theories and (deliberately?) rewriting history.
You just had no answers when you got proved wrong. So you resort to your pictures. I gave you evidence to prove points which you were calling me crazy for. You were ignorant of the facts so you just grab for your comfort blanket :hahaha:
(https://static1.squarespace.com/static/5893faa1ebbd1a8f680352a1/t/5b468335aa4a99d99e8845c5/1531349134876/THECONFESSIONALS7.jpg)
Benji is right again.
I never thought I would say this. Between you and Benji, you have nothing and Benji has it all over you, whereas Richard and Benji are equally matched in their respective debate and there are good points all around. I mostly disagree with Richard but he gives many pauses to consider and gives well thought out positions. Benji mostly has the right of it but Richard trumps his positions occasionally. You are outclassed by both of them.
How the mighty has regressed.
(https://static1.squarespace.com/static/5893faa1ebbd1a8f680352a1/t/5b4683890e2e725582eec51a/1531349134881/THECONFESSIONALS5.jpg)
You are really a derpoholic
-
'So far the water isn't flammable OR the toilet hasn't exploded yet' ?
So which is it? :tard:
And if you need an exploding toilet, I'd be happy to help. I've a few creative ways to make toilets explode, either when next flushed, or just about in time for you to dive out of the way, if you are quick; depending on your personal preferences. And bowl, cistern or both? since you are one of us, I'll even offer a discount on my services. Besides, I haven't exploded a toilet in quite some time, would be fun to keep my hand in (in terms of self-detonating privies, that is, not to keep my hand in the toilet :autism:)
If you want simple, just tie a string to one finger, just long enough to pull the bog seat down as you run for it, get a large chunk of potassium metal, sodium if it's all that's available (don't bother with lithium, it's too tame by far, and doesn't even much like to catch fire in water), say, about the size of an orange, and flush it down the loo.
Make sure you start the flush BEFORE you chuck the K or Na in the bog, because trust me, you'll want to put at least 15 meters or so between you and the toilet within the space of a couple of seconds. Because that is all you'll get before the toilet explodes violently.
Which reminds me....there is at least one toilet, for some unfathomable reason, lurking behind the garden shed. No idea where it came from, because I'm 99.5% sure *I* didn't steal it and put it there for later use. But it is, nevertheless, there. I wonder.....I just wonder.....new years fireworks would be a bit belated, but all the same...
-
I know Russiagate is a hoax. I was against the Iraq war. Those who doubted the claims of 'reality' were called conspiracy theorists, yet everything they said turned out to be true and everything the 'reality' pushers were pushing was a lie. Pretty much the same with every war. I turned out to be right about Libya and Syria too.
(http://www.openminds.tv/wp-content/uploads/I-am-not-saying.jpg)
Yeah stick to just posting pictures, it's all you're capable of. You accused me of being crazy with 2 subjects in your last post then I gave you the evidence. You're too retarded to learn or admit when you got things wrong.
I post pictures when your content becomes too crazy for a serious response. I was tempted to post one more now but I wanted to be nice. The Ancient Aliens guy would have been more to the point, though, considering that you're not giving me or anyone else any evidence, you're just parroting conspiracy theories and (deliberately?) rewriting history.
You just had no answers when you got proved wrong. So you resort to your pictures. I gave you evidence to prove points which you were calling me crazy for. You were ignorant of the facts so you just grab for your comfort blanket :hahaha:
(https://static1.squarespace.com/static/5893faa1ebbd1a8f680352a1/t/5b468335aa4a99d99e8845c5/1531349134876/THECONFESSIONALS7.jpg)
Benji is right again.
I never thought I would say this. Between you and Benji, you have nothing and Benji has it all over you, whereas Richard and Benji are equally matched in their respective debate and there are good points all around. I mostly disagree with Richard but he gives many pauses to consider and gives well thought out positions. Benji mostly has the right of it but Richard trumps his positions occasionally. You are outclassed by both of them.
How the mighty has regressed.
(https://static1.squarespace.com/static/5893faa1ebbd1a8f680352a1/t/5b4683890e2e725582eec51a/1531349134881/THECONFESSIONALS5.jpg)
You are really a derpoholic
(https://www.memesmonkey.com/images/memesmonkey/dc/dc7cea5b1eae442a8f562edd5fe850b3.jpeg)
-
'So far the water isn't flammable OR the toilet hasn't exploded yet' ?
So which is it? :tard:
There are two kinds or 'or' operation.....
Though, I think 'and' was better to express this.
-
You are really a derpoholic
It's true - but, in this case, I think there really was no better answer.
As I said, you really don't want to get in the weeds with a conspiracy nut.
They've a lot invested in it, and most people don't. They shouldn't be trolling
the general public, who aren't deeply concerned with their particular fetishes,
but rather within those places where the establishment experts interact directly with the public.
They can't do that though - because that's precisely where the people with the appropriate
knowledge will be able to refute them, and they will look like absolute loons. Although honestly,
THIS one is pretty clear, prima facie.
There are cover-ups, conspiracies, and the like, but that's why we need a strong and independent
journalism. I think that between the options out there today, we have that. Certainly, if Faux could
have come up with anything damning on Killery or O'Bomb'em, they would have reported it. What's
in the public eye seems to clearly indicate (to me) that Drumpf is unfit to serve and that his campaign and
transition team were involved in illegal acts, regardless of anything further the special needs prosecutor
investigation ends up beyond this (and there are still plenty of open questions - as there were with
Bangcoozie).
-
I knew exactly what was meant. But there was far more comedic potential to be exploited by taking it the usual way.
-
And as for trump being unfit to serve, no shit. When BUSH says 'well at least he makes me look good in comparison', there really isn't much need to look any deeper, just stick them in the boot of a car and shove it off the edge of a cliff.
-
Did Bush actually say that?
-
Apparently so.
https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/376909-bush-says-trump-makes-me-look-pretty-good-by-comparison-report
Said quite a few other nasty (although most definitely true) things about him, 'fucking blowhard' springs to mind.
-
I watched his White House Correspondents' Dinner speech, late in his presidency, and he was pretty damned funny.
This is how far off Trump is, and it's scary.
-
If bush, of all the rancid little fuckups that could slag someone off, says something like 'makes me look good' that's pretty much 'nuff said, no?
Makes me think of ISIS, and how al qaeda won't work with them, because they are (my wording) a bunch of scumbag exremists.
After that sort decides you are a noxious cunt, there really isn't a damn thing that can be said in defense, is there?
-
Nope. Trump in the White House is a lot scarier than that.
-
I mean, in terms of a character witness. When someone THAT awful admits the target makes them look good, it doesn't really speak well of the person spoken of. Hence my analogy to al qaeda telling ISIS to go get fucked (my wording). What does it it make you, when the worst of the denounces you as a piece of shit unfit for purpose? it sure isn't anything good.
One thing I find ironic though, about Trump pulling out of syria...he must be one of very few people in the world to pull out before he's finished fucking someone :pwned:
-
In other news Trump pulls out of Melania, doesn’t want more children.
-
Works just fine for me.
The thought that that dumb orange fuckup might establish a presidential dynasty...now thats a nasty thought,