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Re: Trump pulls out of Syria, forces "Mad Dog" Mattis to resign.
« Reply #135 on: December 30, 2018, 02:17:58 PM »
I know Russiagate is a hoax.  I was against the Iraq war.  Those who doubted the claims of 'reality' were called conspiracy theorists, yet everything they said turned out to be true and everything the 'reality' pushers were pushing was a lie.  Pretty much the same with every war.  I turned out to be right about Libya and Syria too. 



Yeah stick to just posting pictures, it's all you're capable of.  You accused me of being crazy with 2 subjects in your last post then I gave you the evidence.  You're too retarded to learn or admit when you got things wrong.
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Re: Trump pulls out of Syria, forces "Mad Dog" Mattis to resign.
« Reply #136 on: December 30, 2018, 02:36:52 PM »
No the United States hasn't been protecting the Jihadists, we backed Osama Bin Laden because he was fighting a war with Russia, and Russia aggression. Osama then later took what we gave him and his group and turned it into a holy war. That isn't starting with intention to create a terrorist group, it turned into a terrorist group because they're opportunists, if anybody is to blame for that it's Russia


But I do agree, that we need to mind our own business. But then again War is profitable, and surprise that's why they do it. Either way, you could say by defacto the USA started al qaeda, because of a proxy war with Russia. But If anybody started these terrorist groups that split it was Russia.

https://www.washingtoninstitute.org/policy-analysis/view/who-is-responsible-for-the-taliban

Yes it has.  It armed and funded them too.  I know it's not nice to think about but it's reality.  The US created Al Qaeda with the help of Pakistan and the Saudis to fight the Soviets.  Not the Russians, the Soviet Union, which is dead.  The US worked with Al Qaeda before 9/11, during and after.  They acted as their airforce in Libya and have funded and armed them in Syria.
Because Russia was invading Afghanistan. The tribal areas grouped together, and we supported them. They then turned our weapons we gave them and used them for terrorism, I think the point you're missing is: Intent. We didnt intend to create any terrorist groups, we just didn't want Russia in the area gaining more control, so we were in a proxy war.


Kind of like what Russia is doing in the Ukraine. They almost always are the agesser, and so then somebody has to clean up the mess. Unfortunately it's the USA, and frankly I wouldn't be that critical of them because you in Europe have enjoyed pretty stable conditions in your neck of the woods despite Russia being your neighbor. If they could annex Europe they would


The Soviet Union might be dead but the idea isn't. Along with all their nuclear weapons

The Soviets.  The US didn't stop supporting Al Qaeda after the collapse of the Soviet Union.

Lol don't start the story in the middle.  The US launched a military coup using neo Nazis in Ukraine In 2014 to remove the elected leader then installed a US puppet.  Ukraine outlawed the Russian language in Crimea thst is mostly Russian speaking. 

The Soviet Union was a Communist regime.  Russia now is a capitalist country.
I didn't start the story in the middle. You obviously for whatever reason don't understand intent and love the motherland. But we can agree to disagree

Russia is not a capitalist country. It's run by a former KGB agent acting as a defacto dictator. But do tell me more, they want their land back. That's why they jumped the fence in the Ukraine, they always want more land.

Frankly I wish we didn't protect you Europeans. You're so ungrateful

Is that you Donald?   :lol1:

Yes it's a capitalist country.  The Soviet Union imploded 30 years ago.
Be sure to read Benji.

In basic terms one may label the Russian economy as capitalist. But certainly not a free-enterprise economy, free market NOR a capitalist country in context of American capitalism.

More accurately one would label Russia’s economy as a statist-corporate economy working in an authoritarian environment. Russia’s large corporations often get orders from the government- this does not happen in a free enterprise economy. Russia’s economy is tightly controlled by the government via banking and elite government holdings of stock in major companies. So just as South Korea and Japan- are corporate - statist economies- with a lack of free market freedoms. Japanese, Korean and Chinese companies- and economy have industrial policies, and take actions not on free market economic supply and demand- but on ORDERS and directives- based on a nexus of Government, Banks and corporations- working together at the behest of the government and its set industrial policies- VERY different from the American capitalist free market economy.

Lol.  I like how you attack Russia for working pretty much the same way the US works.  To make out the US has true free markets is outrageous.  Big companies like Boeing get subsidies from the public and the profits are for the company.  Look what happened when the banks failed, the public bailed them out with trillions of dollars.  Public pays the costs, private companies and their friends in government etc enjoy the profits.  Obama's 'affordable health care' stops competition across state borders and from other companies.  It's like that across the board, with student loans the most absurd.  Because of this crony capitalism you have the rise of socialism haha.
Okay so you're missing the point, and or are trying to change the goal posts. The reason the banks got bailed out is because they had to be, least there was total chaos and you'd have raping and pillaging in the streets. Getting subsidies is not the same as the government owning the companies, Benji. I know youre not this dumb or maybe you are, either way Russia's economy is small. It will always be small. Because they're not true capitalist much like the Chinease economy. In short nobody trusts a communist or a 'semi presidential republic' whatever the hell that means lol

They caused the mess.  They didn't have to be bailed out and if it was a true free market they wouldn't have been.  I didn't say it was, they are in it together.  It's socialism, for the rich. 

Their economy is small but they have changed things around with exports like gas and grain under Putin. 

If the US was a true free market society then libertarians like Ron Paul could rest easily.  Check out Noam Chomsky- Free Market Fantasies.
Libertarian ideas sound great, but in practice they're not. You need basic inforstructor, social safety nets for a healthy society. If you did away with government completely you'd wind up with a mess.  If you want to decentralize the Central bank and go back to States issuing their own money Maybe you could set up a barter system in place of money but you need a government in some form. What if another country comes on over and decides to attack you? You and your neighbors gonna defend yourselves against another country? Umm

Who will decide whether or not somebody can dump mercury in a river? If a surgeon has to use sterile instruments durnig the operation? You wanna leave that to what the good will of men? lol
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Re: Trump pulls out of Syria, forces "Mad Dog" Mattis to resign.
« Reply #137 on: December 30, 2018, 04:43:36 PM »
I know Russiagate is a hoax.  I was against the Iraq war.  Those who doubted the claims of 'reality' were called conspiracy theorists, yet everything they said turned out to be true and everything the 'reality' pushers were pushing was a lie.  Pretty much the same with every war.  I turned out to be right about Libya and Syria too. 



Yeah stick to just posting pictures, it's all you're capable of.  You accused me of being crazy with 2 subjects in your last post then I gave you the evidence.  You're too retarded to learn or admit when you got things wrong.

I post pictures when your content becomes too crazy for a serious response. I was tempted to post one more now but I wanted to be nice. The Ancient Aliens guy would have been more to the point, though, considering that you're not giving me or anyone else any evidence, you're just parroting conspiracy theories and (deliberately?) rewriting history.
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Re: Trump pulls out of Syria, forces "Mad Dog" Mattis to resign.
« Reply #138 on: December 30, 2018, 05:03:23 PM »
Chances are, mainstream chemical industry is going to be shy of offloading mercury waste that way now, it'll get found out sooner or later, after there is an environmental disaster, they won't want to be supporting human vegetables for the rest of their existence, and people in general by now are pretty well aware of Hg being bad news in general.

I still see it happening though by some clandestine chemists, makes me SO fucking pissed when I hear something like 'yeah, I ditch industrial sized drums of my Al/Hg waste [sorry, shorthand for aluminium amalgam reduction, commonly just referred to as the Al/Hg, used for reducing phenylnitroalkenes direct to the aminoalkanes, especially in large-scale amphetamine manufacture. And used for reductive amination of ketones like P2P/phenylacetone, for the same purpose, basically it involves amalgamation of cut up thick aluminium foil (thinner types react faster, in potentially volcanic fashion) with a mercuric salt, mercuric chloride often as not. Very commonly used, often by those who can't figure out alternative routes, I don't use it myself, I've a hate-hate relationship with that particular reduction technique, I hate it, it hates me and I've never got it to work, it's unpredictable, exothermic as hell, and worse, it NEEDS that initial soyuz-esque blastoff of exothermia to get going, and then has to be put on external heating to maintain it over several hours at a downright alarming roiling reflux, that's a few inches of condenser height short of blowing itself all over the ceiling. Produces a load of toxic mercury wastes, and it's a complete wanker to workup the resultant thick slurry of digested aluminium waste, balled up Al foil and something that looks like grey phlegm, only with less attractive characteristics to it's name. Some times it'll take off like a rocket, other times even a blowtorch and external heating on a hotplate won't get it to kick.)

People have admitted to literally just dumping the waste in barrels buried in the woods, 70 gallon drums of the noxious toxic crap left behind, I have to confess, that is one of THE worst things I've ever heard, as far as clandestine chemistry goes, not counting a few accidents affecting people on a personal level. There's more than one 'bee' (not that I consider them worth the name, hence the quotation marks, intended to convey scathing sarcasm) who's been sent away with their ears burning after my giving them a real roasting for that this year. I hope it'll be the last time I see it, but somehow I doubt it.

Large companies these days wouldn't get away with it for long. And people would be PISSED when they find out who's responsible.
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Re: Trump pulls out of Syria, forces "Mad Dog" Mattis to resign.
« Reply #139 on: December 30, 2018, 05:24:15 PM »
I dunno... do you suppose mercury would explain Trump?
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Re: Trump pulls out of Syria, forces "Mad Dog" Mattis to resign.
« Reply #140 on: December 30, 2018, 06:05:54 PM »
 Jesse- I'm not a libertarian.  Im.just sympathetic to ideas against the current system.  I support a national healthcare system. 

There can still be laws without such outrageous interference from government in the business world. 
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Re: Trump pulls out of Syria, forces "Mad Dog" Mattis to resign.
« Reply #141 on: December 30, 2018, 06:08:12 PM »
I know Russiagate is a hoax.  I was against the Iraq war.  Those who doubted the claims of 'reality' were called conspiracy theorists, yet everything they said turned out to be true and everything the 'reality' pushers were pushing was a lie.  Pretty much the same with every war.  I turned out to be right about Libya and Syria too. 



Yeah stick to just posting pictures, it's all you're capable of.  You accused me of being crazy with 2 subjects in your last post then I gave you the evidence.  You're too retarded to learn or admit when you got things wrong.

I post pictures when your content becomes too crazy for a serious response. I was tempted to post one more now but I wanted to be nice. The Ancient Aliens guy would have been more to the point, though, considering that you're not giving me or anyone else any evidence, you're just parroting conspiracy theories and (deliberately?) rewriting history.

You just had no answers when you got proved wrong.  So you resort to your pictures.  I gave you evidence to prove points which you were calling me crazy for.  You were ignorant of the facts so you just grab for your comfort blanket  :hahaha:
"No one believes more firmly than Comrade Napoleon that all animals are equal. He would be only too happy to let you make your decisions for yourselves. But sometimes you might make the wrong decisions, comrades, and then where should we be?"

"When men lead by words that are false as they preach
Fatality waits in the wings
Surrounded by fools behind walls that are breached
Beware of the jester that sings"


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Re: Trump pulls out of Syria, forces "Mad Dog" Mattis to resign.
« Reply #142 on: December 30, 2018, 06:24:36 PM »
Jesse- I'm not a libertarian.  Im.just sympathetic to ideas against the current system.  I support a national healthcare system. 

There can still be laws without such outrageous interference from government in the business world.

Move to America. Preferably a Red state, Texas, Mississippi, Kentucky, West Virgina. You can: Dump coal ash in rivers, Frack to your hearts desire oh. And you'll have to apply for medical insurance there, if you qualify you will receive basic care and you might have to be employed, be a student, or volunteer. You aint gettin shit for free here. It isnt like Europeeeee

Sounds like you have a country problem.

On a more serious note, I think some regulations are needed. Some government involvement is surely needed, because I do not trust consumers and or people. They are in my opinion most times too stupid, how they even dress themselves in the morning is beyond amazing. I don't trust them at all

Look who are president is. A former fucking reality TV star, who's made famous by saying "you're fired!"
And grabbing women's pussies. And they let him do it because hes a star!  :autism:
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Re: Trump pulls out of Syria, forces "Mad Dog" Mattis to resign.
« Reply #143 on: December 30, 2018, 06:47:28 PM »
Well it can drive people mental before eventually killing them.

Sadly, I doubt we're going to have any such luck, he's just going to stay mental and alive.

But Hg toxicity results in sufficient brain damage, as a rule, if severe, to render someone too far gone to pull off the lying and dissembling of a politician.
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Re: Trump pulls out of Syria, forces "Mad Dog" Mattis to resign.
« Reply #144 on: December 30, 2018, 07:02:28 PM »
Les - you remind me of that guy who thinks we're all fucked anyways so why not try some chemicals.  :laugh:
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Re: Trump pulls out of Syria, forces "Mad Dog" Mattis to resign.
« Reply #145 on: December 30, 2018, 07:17:37 PM »
What? you think we AREN'T all fucked?

Just look at the sort of creatures running most countries, and it'll take about two minutes to realize we aren't just fucked, we've got snot-nosed uppity posh rich gits fucking us in the arse, then using their shit-covered pencil-dicks to write us the bill for the privilege.
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Re: Trump pulls out of Syria, forces "Mad Dog" Mattis to resign.
« Reply #146 on: December 30, 2018, 07:35:11 PM »
We are fucked. But at the same time it's good to be alive, can you imagine living 100 years from now? Or 100 years from now in the past?

We are at the golden age of humanity. Where it is good to be alive, Internet, Cars, Porn, Good drugs, excellent healthcare and stable conditions.

Our planet 100 years from now is totally fucked
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Re: Trump pulls out of Syria, forces "Mad Dog" Mattis to resign.
« Reply #147 on: December 30, 2018, 08:10:20 PM »
Depends a lot on where you are. Plenty of places with heavily censored internet, plenty unstable pest-holes, and too many places where the healthcare is excellent IF you are stinking rich, (or rich and stinking)

I'll give you the one on transport, and the internet, certainly. I remember the days of primitive dial-up, slow as hell and highly limited, hell my chemistry education, at least when I was younger, (autodidactic education that is, my first sped school didn't even bother to pay lip service to the sciences), that had me more or less hogging certain books on constant renewing loan, unless there was a specific request for them from someone else, which thankfully there never was.

Granted, there were a few unintended explosions (you'd be quite surprised just how loud a bang a flower vase can make, if some kid drills a pair of holes in it, feeds in a pair of carbon electrodes, fills it with caustic soda and then connects it directly to the mains, after hacking the plug to take a cast lead slug instead of a fuse...:autism:), although more quite intentional ones, and a couple of major fuckups, like getting a white phosphorus burn on a wrist, tiny, luckily, but ended up with a paralyzed right arm for quite a long time after, not to mention some time wondering if I was going to drop dead of liver failure)

But now...damn...information that would have taken me weeks of reading and experimenting, maybe more, right there, even paywall-cracking tools like sci-hub to sneak past the paywalls of greedy publishers, I'll have in minutes. Few years ago, I had to rely, as did many others, on the good graces of those in university pulling papers at request, now it's just copy-paste and a mouse click away.

And anything that can bring a kinky teen autie chick finding some altogether novel uses for several jars of peanut butter to one's browser...definitely got it's good points..
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Re: Trump pulls out of Syria, forces "Mad Dog" Mattis to resign.
« Reply #148 on: December 30, 2018, 08:32:30 PM »
So what you're saying is now you're comfortable
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Re: Trump pulls out of Syria, forces "Mad Dog" Mattis to resign.
« Reply #149 on: December 31, 2018, 03:30:12 AM »
I know Russiagate is a hoax.  I was against the Iraq war.  Those who doubted the claims of 'reality' were called conspiracy theorists, yet everything they said turned out to be true and everything the 'reality' pushers were pushing was a lie.  Pretty much the same with every war.  I turned out to be right about Libya and Syria too. 



Yeah stick to just posting pictures, it's all you're capable of.  You accused me of being crazy with 2 subjects in your last post then I gave you the evidence.  You're too retarded to learn or admit when you got things wrong.

I post pictures when your content becomes too crazy for a serious response. I was tempted to post one more now but I wanted to be nice. The Ancient Aliens guy would have been more to the point, though, considering that you're not giving me or anyone else any evidence, you're just parroting conspiracy theories and (deliberately?) rewriting history.

You just had no answers when you got proved wrong.  So you resort to your pictures.  I gave you evidence to prove points which you were calling me crazy for.  You were ignorant of the facts so you just grab for your comfort blanket  :hahaha:

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