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Politics, Mature and taboo => Political Pundits => Topic started by: Calavera on September 21, 2011, 08:16:36 PM
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I'm bored at the moment, so this thread now exists. Throughout the whole of this thread, I will pretend to be a fundamentalist Christian and see how you guys debate with a seemingly intelligent believer. Just play along. Starting from the next paragraph, I am a fundamentalist Christian.
Hey, guys. Nice interesting forum you have here. And some nice interesting people. Just thought I'd share this link with you all:
http://www.wayofthemaster.com/goodperson.shtml (http://www.wayofthemaster.com/goodperson.shtml)
It's a fun quiz to do, but it is also a very serious one. Since I care, I posted a link to it for all you guys to give it a go and, consequently, think about the eventual fate for each of you members here.
Some here may think there is no God, and others here may think we are all good enough to be in heaven with God. And that is fine to a certain extent. I think it's fair to say we've all thought as such. But there comes a time when we need to really be serious when pondering certain spiritual matters regardless of what we believe. As a result of pondering and eventually praying to God, I am now a Christian who's experienced God's salvation through His Son, Jesus Christ. And what a joy! I wish you guys to experience the same thing I've experienced.
Please, any questions about God and His salvation, feel free to ask. Note that I am an Aspie just like you guys. I understand the struggles we have to go through as Aspies.
God bless.
In Christ.
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If God created everything, then surely he created other religions, or at least our capacity to create new religions.
If you follow one of these other religions you will go to hell.
In many countries, Christianity is practically forbidden, or barely known.
In what way is God being fair or just by casting someone into Hell, simply for having the misfortune of being born into another religion, and having no realistic option of becoming Christian?
And I scored 2 out of ten in the quiz. I have never murdered or commited adultery :laugh:
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I'm guilty of breaking 7 out of 10 commandments. :'( >:D
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I'm guilty of breaking 7 out of 10 commandments. :'( >:D
I assume you must never have stolen then :dunno:
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If God created everything, then surely he created other religions, or at least our capacity to create new religions.
If you follow one of these other religions you will go to hell.
In many countries, Christianity is practically forbidden, or barely known.
In what way is God being fair or just by casting someone into Hell, simply for having the misfortune of being born into another religion, and having no realistic option of becoming Christian?
And I scored 2 out of ten in the quiz. I have never murdered or commited adultery :laugh:
Apparently, if you have even thought of committing adultery, then you have committed adultery in your heart, or some shit like that.
That quiz is full of bullshit and it is one of the biggest reasons Christians convert to Atheism. This "God" person doesn't seem to know anything about what truly makes a "good" person. Instead, he's just a really selfish and narcissistic bastard. :wanker:
EDIT: Oh, I scored a 1. Lowest score so far! :zoinks:
If I had scored a zero, I'd be in prison.
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I'm guilty of breaking 7 out of 10 commandments. :'( >:D
I assume you must never have stolen then :dunno:
I was arrested for stealing a car when I was 18. I didn't accept the 2nd commandment guilty premise as defined by the narrator.
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Hi, Butterflies. Interesting questions. Are butterflies part of your special interest as an Aspie (assuming you are)?
If God created everything, then surely he created other religions, or at least our capacity to create new religions.
If you follow one of these other religions you will go to hell.
Ah, religion. Surely, any religion that tells you that you need to be good and obey God's commandments in order to be saved is a religion that will definitely send any of its adherents to hell.
Religion is not the way to God. Jesus Christ Himself is.
Note what Jesus Christ says in John:
John 14:6
Jesus answered, “I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.
Jesus said He Himself is the way, not religion.
The Qur'an preaches Islam as the way to Allah, modern Judaism preaches the commandments as the means to YHWH, Roman Catholicism preaches that good works and faith are what lead to the Father, and Buddhism also (in a sense) preaches good deeds for "salvation".
But let's face it. Can any of us humans confidently say that we can be perfect enough to be with God with our very limited deeds and a nature that's inclined to sin anyway?
I think not.
We've all sinned, all fallen short of God's glory ... as Romans 3:23 states. None of us can be justified by God's holiness with our deeds.
So we need Jesus Christ.
Religion ... Why do all sorts of religions exist? Because of man mostly. Man wants to please God and be protected by him, but he, being fallen by nature, doesn't want to do it on God's terms. Thus, he follows God through a religion of his choice, according to his own desires and goals.
However, that is just not the way to be saved.
In many countries, Christianity is practically forbidden, or barely known.
True, but God doesn't want us to know the religion called "Christianity". He wants us to get to know His Son, Jesus Christ.
Christianity, my friend, is not a religion. It's a relationship with God through Jesus Christ.
God says in the Bible that every man, no matter the circumstances, can know God. No man is spared of the opportunity to know God.
In what way is God being fair or just by casting someone into Hell, simply for having the misfortune of being born into another religion, and having no realistic option of becoming Christian?
Here's the thing, though.
No one is going to hell for being born here or there or whatever.
Man is a sinner by nature. And unless that nature in him is legally retributed for, the only just thing for God to do would be to have him be sent to hell.
It's unfortunate.
However ...
The Good News (the Gospel) is that He sent His Son, Jesus Christ, to die for the sins of ALL of us, not just those who were born into Christian families.
Why did God do this?
John 3:16
For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.
Whoever believes in Jesus as the Son shall not perish but shall be saved. It says "whoever" ... not "professing Christians".
And I scored 2 out of ten in the quiz. I have never murdered or commited adultery :laugh:
Wow, you must be quite a good person compared to many others. I basically failed them all. :)
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If God created everything, then surely he created other religions, or at least our capacity to create new religions.
If you follow one of these other religions you will go to hell.
In many countries, Christianity is practically forbidden, or barely known.
In what way is God being fair or just by casting someone into Hell, simply for having the misfortune of being born into another religion, and having no realistic option of becoming Christian?
And I scored 2 out of ten in the quiz. I have never murdered or commited adultery :laugh:
Apparently, if you have even thought of committing adultery, then you have committed adultery in your heart, or some shit like that.
That quiz is full of bullshit and it is one of the biggest reasons Christians convert to Atheism. This "God" person doesn't seem to know anything about what truly makes a "good" person. Instead, he's just a really selfish and narcissistic bastard. :wanker:
EDIT: Oh, I scored a 1. Lowest score so far! :zoinks:
If I had scored a zero, I'd be in prison.
Adultery, according to wiki anyway, is infidelity to ones spouse. I've never had a spouse. I obviously have thought about sex with other people though.
I'm guilty of breaking 7 out of 10 commandments. :'( >:D
I assume you must never have stolen then :dunno:
I was arrested for stealing a car when I was 18. I didn't accept the 2nd commandment guilty premise as defined by the narrator.
I used to steal sweeties out of the sweet shop next to my school in primary school. I once also stole all the money in the tuckshop till when I was in secondary school. I think I got away with about £40, and created a school-wide scandal. They even held an emergency assembly for all the pupils and the Head came along to try and get a confession. I never got caught :green:
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I'm guilty of breaking 7 out of 10 commandments. :'( >:D
You're not alone. That is why we all need Jesus Christ for our salvation.
Will you submit your heart to him and give up all your sinfulness to him so that you may live and have eternal life rather than death?
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Isaiah 45:7 "I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things."
I never got caught :green:
I never got convicted. :razz:
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Apparently, if you have even thought of committing adultery, then you have committed adultery in your heart, or some shit like that.
Not just that. If you've ever hated someone, you've already committed murder in your heart.
That quiz is full of bullshit and it is one of the biggest reasons Christians convert to Atheism. This "God" person doesn't seem to know anything about what truly makes a "good" person. Instead, he's just a really selfish and narcissistic bastard. :wanker:
Well, well, a young man who thinks he knows better than God. ;)
That is fine. Just don't expect God to give you mercy if you refuse His mercy.
EDIT: Oh, I scored a 1. Lowest score so far! :zoinks:
If I had scored a zero, I'd be in prison.
So far, you're condemned to hell. So what will you do to get yourself saved, dear sinner?
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Fuck it. This is the worst thread I have ever seen on here. :thumbdn:
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I am aspie, but butterflies aren't an interest. An old friend created the picture that I use as my avatar and gave me it as a present. I had no idea what to call myself, but I knew what my avatar would be, so I went with Butterflies because my avatar had butterflies in it. Now I'm not sure I like my n ame, or my avatar, but I can't really change one without changing the other.
I'm not sure that makes sense to me. If I'm born in Iran, I am practically forced to be Muslim. It seems unfair to send that person to hell if he's a good person, if he has no real way to find Jesus.
Same applies to someone born in a remote tribe. May never have heard of Jesus. Why should they be doomed to hell?
My next question is, God gives us free will, but if we do not follow his wishes we go to hell. Is that fai?
If I pull a gun on someone, and say to them "you don't have to give me your money, you have a choice, but if you choose not to give me your money, I will blow your brains out." Am I really giving him a choice? Am I giving him free will on the matter?
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I'm guilty of breaking 7 out of 10 commandments. :'( >:D
I assume you must never have stolen then :dunno:
I was arrested for stealing a car when I was 18. I didn't accept the 2nd commandment guilty premise as defined by the narrator.
Do you think stealing is something to be proud of?
What if someone else stole your own car?
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I am god in my own frame of reference. We're our own gods. Yep, I'm Lucifer (that guy in hell, not the former user here obviously lol), so sue me. :zoinks:
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I'm guilty of breaking 7 out of 10 commandments. :'( >:D
I assume you must never have stolen then :dunno:
I was arrested for stealing a car when I was 18. I didn't accept the 2nd commandment guilty premise as defined by the narrator.
Do you think stealing is something to be proud of?
No. But doing this :razz: to Butterflies is fun.
What if someone else stole your own car?
I own a truck. :razz:
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Adultery, according to wiki anyway, is infidelity to ones spouse. I've never had a spouse. I obviously have thought about sex with other people though.
Jesus Christ disagrees with you.
Matthew 5:27-28
You have heard that it was said, ‘You shall not commit adultery.’ But I tell you that anyone who looks at a woman lustfully has already committed adultery with her in his heart.
I used to steal sweeties out of the sweet shop next to my school in primary school. I once also stole all the money in the tuckshop till when I was in secondary school. I think I got away with about £40, and created a school-wide scandal. They even held an emergency assembly for all the pupils and the Head came along to try and get a confession. I never got caught :green:
Who said you never got caught? ;)
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Isaiah 45:7 "I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things."
Amen.
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I believe it was Butterflies herself that said that she never got caught. ???
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All religions were never about love or peace.
All religions are about control.
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What's your position on the dinosaur?
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I'm not sure that makes sense to me. If I'm born in Iran, I am practically forced to be Muslim. It seems unfair to send that person to hell if he's a good person, if he has no real way to find Jesus.
IF he's a good person. But is he?
God is sovereign, though. Don't think that he has no real way to find Jesus.
Same applies to someone born in a remote tribe. May never have heard of Jesus. Why should they be doomed to hell?
Because without Jesus, they're doomed to hell like any of us. Are they also not sinners according to God? Have they also not broken His commandments?
But even then, you don't know if they've never heard of Jesus.
Or are you omnipotent and know what every single person has heard about?
My next question is, God gives us free will, but if we do not follow his wishes we go to hell. Is that fai?
I don't know about "fair", but it is absolutely just.
If I pull a gun on someone, and say to them "you don't have to give me your money, you have a choice, but if you choose not to give me your money, I will blow your brains out." Am I really giving him a choice? Am I giving him free will on the matter?
Yes, you are. Either he gives you the money and lives or he refuses and dies, no? :)
But, anyway, how does this relate to God's relation with man?
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Venom - In League With Satan (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D5wUr4Lut4A#)
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I am god in my own frame of reference. We're our own gods. Yep, I'm Lucifer (that guy in hell, not the former user here obviously lol), so sue me. :zoinks:
So you are the omnipotent God ...
What's my family name? :)
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Fool is your family name. So is the family name of everyone who follows a religion. :hahaha:
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I believe it was Butterflies herself that said that she never got caught. ???
But that's only what she thinks.
Hebrews 4:13
Nothing in all creation is hidden from God’s sight. Everything is uncovered and laid bare before the eyes of him to whom we must give account.
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I'm guilty of breaking 7 out of 10 commandments. :'( >:D
I assume you must never have stolen then :dunno:
I was arrested for stealing a car when I was 18. I didn't accept the 2nd commandment guilty premise as defined by the narrator.
Do you think stealing is something to be proud of?
No. But doing this :razz: to Butterflies is fun.
What if someone else stole your own car?
I own a truck. :razz:
Ok, a truck.
Do you think God would have also done a :razz: to you and Butterflies for stealing?
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All religions were never about love or peace.
All religions are about control.
That's why I hate religion so much.
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What's your position on the dinosaur?
I don't get the question exactly. Could you please rephrase your question? Or elaborate?
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If everyone has the ability to return to paradise earth for as second chance, why should we care about our actions in this life ?
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Fool is your family name. So is the family name of everyone who follows a religion. :hahaha:
Psalm 14:1
The fool says in his heart,
“There is no God.”
They are corrupt, their deeds are vile;
there is no one who does good.
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Fool is your family name. So is the family name of everyone who follows a religion. :hahaha:
Facepalm 13:1
The fool says in his heart,
“There is a God.”
They are corrupt, their deeds are vile;
there is no one who does good.
Fixed. :orly:
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Do you think God would have also done a :razz: to you and Butterflies for stealing?
Just to Butterflies because I am a good person. :angel:
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If everyone has the ability to return to paradise earth for as second chance, why should we care about our actions in this life ?
Who told you that we have a second chance?
Hebrews 9:27
Just as people are destined to die once, and after that to face judgment,
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Didn't I mention that religion sucks ass? :zoinks:
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If everyone has the ability to return to paradise earth for as second chance, why should we care about our actions in this life ?
Who told you that we have a second chance?
Hebrews 9:27
Just as people are destined to die once, and after that to face judgment,
I thought the bible said that after the war, and jesus returns to rule earth again, that the dead will be resurrected ? Damn Jehovah Witnesses screwing up the story :S They say only a few hundred thousand people actually go to heaven and there is no hell.
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What's your position on the dinosaur?
I don't get the question exactly. Could you please rephrase your question? Or elaborate?
Do you believe dinosaurs existed? If so, how are dinosaurs reconciled with creation in genesis and with the age of the earth?
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I am god in my own frame of reference. We're our own gods. Yep, I'm Lucifer (that guy in hell, not the former user here obviously lol), so sue me. :zoinks:
So you are the omnipotent God ...
What's my family name? :)
I didn't mention anything about being omnipotent. Is that the best you can do? :zoinks:
Besides considering the varying definitions of god, there is no such definition that suggests god must be omnipotent in a sense of awareness. Those are purely for certain religions. :green:
Think of it this way, if a book has all the knowledge of the universe in it and it existence is required for reality to exist, it's an omnipotent god then isn't it? Because it hold the potential to shape reality in any way it sees fit, yet it has no mind to do so itself. Then there's a being that has no mental capacity to be sentient or intelligent, yet it governs the nature of reality at all times, is that not god? Even though it is the sole creator and shaper of reality?
Heh, Christianity harbours such primitive concepts on how god somehow suffers the affliction of the human condition. You fail to comprehend even remotely that should a god exist, it would have motivations, emotions and behaviours completely alien to us. Faith would mean nothing as we would be nothing more than molecular machines to it's eyes.
I mean why rely on faith, unless of course, god is a mere abstraction that depends on the existence of faith in him. Should such faith be lost, god would then be destroyed. This would then mean god is destructible, hence not really a true god.
I mock the word god because it either suffers the issues of paradoxes or redundancy when you spend time thinking about it. :orly:
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Fool is your family name. So is the family name of everyone who follows a religion. :hahaha:
Facepalm 13:1
The fool says in his heart,
“There is a God.”
They are corrupt, their deeds are vile;
there is no one who does good.
Fixed. :orly:
What can I say?
Even Satan quotes the Scriptures but to his own detriment.
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Do you think God would have also done a :razz: to you and Butterflies for stealing?
Just to Butterflies because I am a good person. :angel:
In the Kingdom of God, the first shall be last, and the last shall be first.
And that's assuming that the first shall enter the Kingdom of God ...
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Didn't I mention that religion sucks ass? :zoinks:
Did I mention that you're still active in this thread despite what you said earlier about this thread?
Can't resist God's Word, can you? ;)
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This shit is absolutely no better when Ray Comfort and Kirk Cameron do it. :jaded: ::)
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I didn't mention anything about being omnipotent.
Even if you were you could take Viagra and cocaine. :viking: :zoinks:
Do you think God would have also done a :razz: to you and Butterflies for stealing?
Just to Butterflies because I am a good person. :angel:
In the Kingdom of God, the first shall be last, and the last shall be first.
And that's assuming that the first shall enter the Kingdom of God ...
Damn right. I'll elbow my way into the line. I'll be in the middle, and therefore, be in the middle. :viking:
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I thought the bible said that after the war, and jesus returns to rule earth again, that the dead will be resurrected ? Damn Jehovah Witnesses screwing up the story :S They say only a few hundred thousand people actually go to heaven and there is no hell.
The dead will be resurrected for sure. But for the final decisive judgement. Not for a second chance.
Jehovah's "Witnesses" are a bunch of heretics. They think they're witnesses of Jehovah when the true witnesses of Jehovah believe that Jesus himself is Jehovah.
Don't listen to what they say. Only believe what God himself says in the Bible.
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This shit is absolutely no better when Ray Comfort and Kirk Cameron do it. :jaded: ::)
Come on, scrap. Give him one. Have already got my second one in queue. It's a really good one. Will wait though; someone else might think of it too since it's already been slightly mentioned.
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I didn't mention anything about being omnipotent.
Even if you were you could take Viagra and cocaine. :viking: :zoinks:
Who says I need such things for help? I can remotely impregnate women and convince everyone it's a virgin birth. It's an excellent party trick to avoid child support while still having one night stands. :zoinks:
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I thought the bible said that after the war, and jesus returns to rule earth again, that the dead will be resurrected ? Damn Jehovah Witnesses screwing up the story :S They say only a few hundred thousand people actually go to heaven and there is no hell.
The dead will be resurrected for sure. But for the final decisive judgement. Not for a second chance.
Jehovah's "Witnesses" are a bunch of heretics. They think they're witnesses of Jehovah when the true witnesses of Jehovah believe that Jesus himself is Jehovah.
Don't listen to what they say. Only believe what God himself says in the Bible.
Please direct me to the chapter(s) and verse(s) where Holy Trinity is mentioned in the Bible Monsignor. :laugh:
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Do you believe dinosaurs existed? If so, how are dinosaurs reconciled with creation in genesis and with the age of the earth?
Yes, I believe they existed. They were created with the other animals on the sixth day of creation.
I don't see any issues here. God's Word is absolutely true.
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This shit is absolutely no better when Ray Comfort and Kirk Cameron do it. :jaded: ::)
It is because I like discussing stuff with MACV. :angel:
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Do you believe dinosaurs existed? If so, how are dinosaurs reconciled with creation in genesis and with the age of the earth?
Yes, I believe they existed. They were created with the other animals on the sixth day of creation.
I don't see any issues here. God's Word is absolutely true.
Why yes it is, in all its' contradictory glory. :trollface:
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Do you believe dinosaurs existed? If so, how are dinosaurs reconciled with creation in genesis and with the age of the earth?
Yes, I believe they existed. They were created with the other animals on the sixth day of creation.
I don't see any issues here. God's Word is absolutely true.
The dinosaurs were created the same day as man?
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Do you believe dinosaurs existed? If so, how are dinosaurs reconciled with creation in genesis and with the age of the earth?
Yes, I believe they existed. They were created with the other animals on the sixth day of creation.
I don't see any issues here. God's Word is absolutely true.
The dinosaurs were created the same day as man?
5th day Gen. 1:20-23
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Check you bible PPK.
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I didn't mention anything about being omnipotent. Is that the best you can do? :zoinks:
You claimed to be "god", no? Or do you have your own special definition for that term?
Besides considering the varying definitions of god, there is no such definition that suggests god must be omnipotent in a sense of awareness. Those are purely for certain religions. :green:
You must have a very good sense of humor if you actually believe God can be overcome by any object or person He created.
Think of it this way, if a book has all the knowledge of the universe in it and it existence is required for reality to exist, it's an omnipotent god then isn't it? Because it hold the potential to shape reality in any way it sees fit, yet it has no mind to do so itself. Then there's a being that has no mental capacity to be sentient or intelligent, yet it governs the nature of reality at all times, is that not god? Even though it is the sole creator and shaper of reality?
I've never seen any object (let alone a book) create and shape reality in the way you're describing. Have you?
Heh, Christianity harbours such primitive concepts on how god somehow suffers the affliction of the human condition. You fail to comprehend even remotely that should a god exist, it would have motivations, emotions and behaviours completely alien to us. Faith would mean nothing as we would be nothing more than molecular machines to it's eyes.
Ok, "god". Have you figured out what my family name is? Or do you still need more time? ;)
If you can't even know what my family name is (a very simple request for a "god" like you to do), then why should I trust what you speculate here?
I mean why rely on faith, unless of course, god is a mere abstraction that depends on the existence of faith in him. Should such faith be lost, god would then be destroyed. This would then mean god is destructible, hence not really a true god.
What kind of reasoning is this? If you have faith in someone (not God), does this mean his existence depends on your faith in him?
I mock the word god because it either suffers the issues of paradoxes or redundancy when you spend time thinking about it. :orly:
Ok, keep mocking that word. I won't stop you. I promise. ;)
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I thought the bible said that after the war, and jesus returns to rule earth again, that the dead will be resurrected ? Damn Jehovah Witnesses screwing up the story :S They say only a few hundred thousand people actually go to heaven and there is no hell.
The dead will be resurrected for sure. But for the final decisive judgement. Not for a second chance.
Jehovah's "Witnesses" are a bunch of heretics. They think they're witnesses of Jehovah when the true witnesses of Jehovah believe that Jesus himself is Jehovah.
Don't listen to what they say. Only believe what God himself says in the Bible.
Yes I always thought that, strictly speaking, they are very heretical. But the question still stands.
If we are eventually resurrected back to earth when jesus is king of earth, we get a "Second chance" at life why should we strive perfection now ?. If we are going to be resurrected then why do we need the blood of jesus to enter into heaven ? And I did see scripture before, dont know anything about it. I read that only a few hundred thousand people actually get into heaven and everyone else goes to paradise earth after the resurrection. So, if this is true,
why do our actions on earth matter ?
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Check you bible PPK.
I just did. So those animals, including dinosaurs, of the water and sky were made on the 5th day. Those of the land on the 6th day.
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Damn right. I'll elbow my way into the line. I'll be in the middle, and therefore, be in the middle. :viking:
Hope so.
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Check you bible PPK.
I just did. So those animals, including dinosaurs, of the water and sky were made on the 5th day. Those of the land on the 6th day.
Okay, see where you are going; thought you were talking about man.
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Please direct me to the chapter(s) and verse(s) where Holy Trinity is mentioned in the Bible Monsignor. :laugh:
Gladly. :)
Matthew 28:19
Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit.
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This shit is absolutely no better when Ray Comfort and Kirk Cameron do it. :jaded: ::)
Come on, scrap. Give him one. Have already got my second one in queue. It's a really good one. Will wait though; someone else might think of it too since it's already been slightly mentioned.
OK, I'll give it a try and pray for lulz to ensue.
Here's my question:
What the fuck is Genisis 6:2 supposed to mean when it says "The sons of God looked down upon the daughters of men and saw that they were hot assed beotches and hoes and they said 'Mmm I wants to get me a piece of dat fine monkey ass' and they married those beotches 'n shit." ??
And on chapter 4, it says:"Yo! There was some giant assed NBA playin muthafuckahs bach then, when the sons of god came unto the daughters of men and they doggie fucked the shit outa dem hoes and bore them many children. Those were the mighty men who were of old, men of renown".
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I didn't mention anything about being omnipotent. Is that the best you can do? :zoinks:
You claimed to be "god", no? Or do you have your own special definition for that term?
Besides considering the varying definitions of god, there is no such definition that suggests god must be omnipotent in a sense of awareness. Those are purely for certain religions. :green:
You must have a very good sense of humor if you actually believe God can be overcome by any object or person He created.
Think of it this way, if a book has all the knowledge of the universe in it and it existence is required for reality to exist, it's an omnipotent god then isn't it? Because it hold the potential to shape reality in any way it sees fit, yet it has no mind to do so itself. Then there's a being that has no mental capacity to be sentient or intelligent, yet it governs the nature of reality at all times, is that not god? Even though it is the sole creator and shaper of reality?
I've never seen any object (let alone a book) create and shape reality in the way you're describing. Have you?
Heh, Christianity harbours such primitive concepts on how god somehow suffers the affliction of the human condition. You fail to comprehend even remotely that should a god exist, it would have motivations, emotions and behaviours completely alien to us. Faith would mean nothing as we would be nothing more than molecular machines to it's eyes.
Ok, "god". Have you figured out what my family name is? Or do you still need more time? ;)
If you can't even know what my family name is (a very simple request for a "god" like you to do), then why should I trust what you speculate here?
I mean why rely on faith, unless of course, god is a mere abstraction that depends on the existence of faith in him. Should such faith be lost, god would then be destroyed. This would then mean god is destructible, hence not really a true god.
What kind of reasoning is this? If you have faith in someone (not God), does this mean his existence depends on your faith in him?
I mock the word god because it either suffers the issues of paradoxes or redundancy when you spend time thinking about it. :orly:
Ok, keep mocking that word. I won't stop you. I promise. ;)
Predictable behaviour. You selective ignore segments while addressing others in a way purely to bounce them off as you cannot directly reply to them with a reliable answer, and you're better than me because? So I wouldn't accuse me of such behaviours since you're clearly doing it too. I was hoping you'd make that mistake. ;)
Besides, substitute the word object to god in that one question and I can ask that right back at you. Which I doubt you can answer without citing the bible or giving concise instruction like, "He's over there".
As for faith, since empirical science seems to fail to account for god, it seems faith is the only alternative to explain his existence. So take your pick, faith or science, and since the latter fails to prove his existence, then god must rely purely on faith then. I'm not sure if you were smart enough to see the subtle reference and piss take of your delusional state of mind when I wrote that. :zoinks:
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This shit is absolutely no better when Ray Comfort and Kirk Cameron do it. :jaded: ::)
It is because I like discussing stuff with MACV. :angel:
Same here. I've been enjoying my interactions with you all thus far.
Jesus Christ brings joy to all of us ... if we allow Him to do so.
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Do you believe dinosaurs existed? If so, how are dinosaurs reconciled with creation in genesis and with the age of the earth?
Yes, I believe they existed. They were created with the other animals on the sixth day of creation.
I don't see any issues here. God's Word is absolutely true.
Why yes it is, in all its' contradictory glory. :trollface:
What's "contradictory glory"? You really don't make sense at times.
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Do you believe dinosaurs existed? If so, how are dinosaurs reconciled with creation in genesis and with the age of the earth?
Yes, I believe they existed. They were created with the other animals on the sixth day of creation.
I don't see any issues here. God's Word is absolutely true.
The dinosaurs were created the same day as man?
If they truly did exist, then it must've been on the sixth day (and, also, on the fifth day depending on what one means by "dinosaur").
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Do you believe dinosaurs existed? If so, how are dinosaurs reconciled with creation in genesis and with the age of the earth?
Yes, I believe they existed. They were created with the other animals on the sixth day of creation.
I don't see any issues here. God's Word is absolutely true.
Why yes it is, in all its' contradictory glory. :trollface:
What's "contradictory glory"? You really don't make sense at times.
Oh nothing, maybe the whole, "I'll will kill you all and send you to hell for not believing in me" then "I love you so much and welcome all to my kingdom" attitude for starters. Then there's all those contradictions in the bible, but then that's understandable, it was written by people so fair enough.
But man, he sounds like he's bipolar and a hypocritical tyrant.
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Do you believe dinosaurs existed? If so, how are dinosaurs reconciled with creation in genesis and with the age of the earth?
Yes, I believe they existed. They were created with the other animals on the sixth day of creation.
I don't see any issues here. God's Word is absolutely true.
The dinosaurs were created the same day as man?
If they truly did exist, then it must've been on the sixth day (and, also, on the fifth day depending on what one means by "dinosaur").
Seemingly intelligent believer must not avoid making the statement of dinosaur walking the earth with man.
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Yes I always thought that, strictly speaking, they are very heretical. But the question still stands.
If we are eventually resurrected back to earth when jesus is king of earth, we get a "Second chance" at life why should we strive perfection now ?. If we are going to be resurrected then why do we need the blood of jesus to enter into heaven ? And I did see scripture before, dont know anything about it. I read that only a few hundred thousand people actually get into heaven and everyone else goes to paradise earth after the resurrection. So, if this is true,
why do our actions on earth matter ?
Because the resurrection of the dead isn't to give condemned sinners a second chance. They are resurrected only to be condemned.
John 5:28-29
Do not be amazed at this, for a time is coming when all who are in their graves will hear his voice and come out—those who have done what is good will rise to live, and those who have done what is evil will rise to be condemned.
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This shit is absolutely no better when Ray Comfort and Kirk Cameron do it. :jaded: ::)
Come on, scrap. Give him one. Have already got my second one in queue. It's a really good one. Will wait though; someone else might think of it too since it's already been slightly mentioned.
OK, I'll give it a try and pray for lulz to ensue.
Here's my question:
What the fuck is Genisis 6:2 supposed to mean when it says "The sons of God looked down upon the daughters of men and saw that they were hot assed beotches and hoes and they said 'Mmm I wants to get me a piece of dat fine monkey ass' and they married those beotches 'n shit." ??
And on chapter 4, it says:"Yo! There was some giant assed NBA playin muthafuckahs bach then, when the sons of god came unto the daughters of men and they doggie fucked the shit outa dem hoes and bore them many children. Those were the mighty men who were of old, men of renown".
Sorry, but I didn't come here to entertain and play games with you guys. I seriously want you all to be saved.
Genesis 6:2-4 says that the sons of God mated with the daughters of men, and the Nephilim were born as a result.
Any serious concerns with the passage?
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Predictable behaviour. You selective ignore segments while addressing others in a way purely to bounce them off as you cannot directly reply to them with a reliable answer, and you're better than me because? So I wouldn't accuse me of such behaviours since you're clearly doing it too. I was hoping you'd make that mistake. ;)
When did I say I was better than you? And what mistake again?
Besides, substitute the word object to god in that one question and I can ask that right back at you. Which I doubt you can answer without citing the bible or giving concise instruction like, "He's over there".
Easy. Somebody had to bring this reality into being. Somebody really powerful enough to do so. We call Him God.
A book is so limited in structure and function it can't even respond to your nonsense. And you expect it to create reality? :zoinks:
As for faith, since empirical science seems to fail to account for god, it seems faith is the only alternative to explain his existence. So take your pick, faith or science, and since the latter fails to prove his existence, then god must rely purely on faith then. I'm not sure if you were smart enough to see the subtle reference and piss take of your delusional state of mind when I wrote that. :zoinks:
But science does point to the Creator. I'm sorry you choose to deny this.
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Oh nothing, maybe the whole, "I'll will kill you all and send you to hell for not believing in me" then "I love you so much and welcome all to my kingdom" attitude for starters.
It's your sinful perception that sees it that way.
God never said he'll kill and send people to hell for not believing in Him. If you believe He did, please point to the Bible passage that says so.
Then there's all those contradictions in the bible, but then that's understandable, it was written by people so fair enough.
What contradictions? The Bible is God's Word. How can there be any contradictions in it? ???
But man, he sounds like he's bipolar and a hypocritical tyrant.
May the Lord forgive you for these terrible accusations of Him ...
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Seemingly intelligent believer must not avoid making the statement of dinosaur walking the earth with man.
I never said I was intelligent.
But I don't mind stating that the dinosaurs once walked the earth with man.
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Predictable behaviour. You selective ignore segments while addressing others in a way purely to bounce them off as you cannot directly reply to them with a reliable answer, and you're better than me because? So I wouldn't accuse me of such behaviours since you're clearly doing it too. I was hoping you'd make that mistake. ;)
When did I say I was better than you? And what mistake again?
Besides, substitute the word object to god in that one question and I can ask that right back at you. Which I doubt you can answer without citing the bible or giving concise instruction like, "He's over there".
Easy. Somebody had to bring this reality into being. Somebody really powerful enough to do so. We call Him God.
A book is so limited in structure and function it can't even respond to your nonsense. And you expect it to create reality? :zoinks:
As for faith, since empirical science seems to fail to account for god, it seems faith is the only alternative to explain his existence. So take your pick, faith or science, and since the latter fails to prove his existence, then god must rely purely on faith then. I'm not sure if you were smart enough to see the subtle reference and piss take of your delusional state of mind when I wrote that. :zoinks:
But science does point to the Creator. I'm sorry you choose to deny this.
There you go again. If I weren't mistaken, I'd say you're playing hard to get, flirting with me like that. Oh so pseudo-intellectual, meeeeow. :eyelash:
Come on let's not deny it any further and go full gay on each other, but oh wait, god hates fags for no reason; what a shame, we'd make a great couple. :(
Anyway, the book is an analogy by the way, to how ridiculous and flawed the definition of god can be. Also it funny because I can substitute that book with god and it raises the exact same nonsense. Can't help you fail so hard at reading between the lines. Also, science actually points to a set of rules governed by mathematically observable behaviours in a space-time environment, so you're saying god is nothing more than a computer then? If so, awesome, I shall worship HAL-9000, true creator of us all. :headbang2:
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Oh nothing, maybe the whole, "I'll will kill you all and send you to hell for not believing in me" then "I love you so much and welcome all to my kingdom" attitude for starters.
It's your sinful perception that sees it that way.
God never said he'll kill and send people to hell for not believing in Him. If you believe He did, please point to the Bible passage that says so.
Then there's all those contradictions in the bible, but then that's understandable, it was written by people so fair enough.
What contradictions? The Bible is God's Word. How can there be any contradictions in it? ???
But man, he sounds like he's bipolar and a hypocritical tyrant.
May the Lord forgive you for these terrible accusations of Him ...
Oh but god is all loving, well... as you obey his tyrannical rule, and accept how he loves the shit out of someone to an itch of their life. :laugh:
God can bill me the legal costs of a lawsuit. But damn he's too sensitive to handle a bit of criticism by a inferior being lol, he sounds emo. Makes you wonder if God's trolling us for lulz.
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There you go again. If I weren't mistaken, I'd say you're playing hard to get, flirting with me like that. Oh so pseudo-intellectual, meeeeow. :eyelash:
Of course not! Why would I even entertain the thought of flirting with a fellow man?
Come on let's not deny it any further and go full gay on each other, but oh wait, god hates fags for no reason; what a shame, we'd make a great couple. :(
God never said He hated "fags". It's not you He hates, it's your sins.
Anyway, the book is an analogy by the way, to how ridiculous and flawed the definition of god can be. Also it funny because I can substitute that book with god and it raises the exact same nonsense. Can't help you fail so hard at reading between the lines.
I don't see how it raises the exact same nonsense. Doesn't mean I'm the one who failed here.
Also, science actually points to a set of rules governed by mathematically observable behaviours in a space-time environment, so you're saying god is nothing more than a computer then? If so, awesome, I shall worship HAL-9000, true creator of us all. :headbang2:
God is not a computer. That is just silly. God is the ultimate Creator who brought forth those rules and behaviours that you speak of.
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Oh but god is all loving, well... as you obey his tyrannical rule, and accept how he loves the shit out of someone to an itch of their life. :laugh:
Not sure what you're talking about here. But don't waste your time speculating with vain philosophies. Please submit yourself to the Lord!
God can bill me the legal costs of a lawsuit. But damn he's too sensitive to handle a bit of criticism by a inferior being lol, he sounds emo. Makes you wonder if God's trolling us for lulz.
God cares about you. Doesn't mean He's emotionally weak. He's unaffected by what you have to say. You are the one who is affected by what God says.
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God cares about you. Doesn't mean He's emotionally weak. He's unaffected by what you have to say. You are the one who is affected by what God says.
O RLY? So if I denounce him and say he's not real, I won't go to hell then because he won't take what I said to heart? Doesn't sound that caring if he condemns you disproportionately for such trivial matters of 'sin'. I mean eternal damnation over such frivolous details? Cool statement bro. :thumbup:
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Also, another small detail, I'm actually affected by what his believers say. Because they're the ones who are tangible entities who can harm me if provoked enough. I've yet had god speak to me personally. :P
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God cares about you. Doesn't mean He's emotionally weak. He's unaffected by what you have to say. You are the one who is affected by what God says.
O RLY? So if I denounce him and say he's not real, I won't go to hell then because he won't take what I said to heart? Doesn't sound that caring if he condemns you disproportionately for such trivial matters of 'sin'. I mean eternal damnation over such frivolous details? Cool statement bro. :thumbup:
It's about justice, not about His own feelings.
You and I both have a sinful nature. So the just consequence for both of us - apart from Jesus - is death, not eternal life.
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Also, another small detail, I'm actually affected by what his believers say. Because they're the ones who are tangible entities who can harm me if provoked enough. I've yet had god speak to me personally. :P
Not everyone who professes the faith is a true believer.
Jesus said:
Matthew 7:21-23
Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. Many will say to me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name and in your name drive out demons and in your name perform many miracles?’ Then I will tell them plainly, ‘I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!’
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Well in the case, I could easily say you're not a true believer either, as there's no such thing. Considering how there's no unanimous decision on what interpretation of the bible is correct, who is accurate? So, as far as I'm concerned, only god has the true authority to speak for himself, and any believer's interpretation of the bible is rendered moot.
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Well in the case, I could easily say you're not a true believer either, as there's no such thing. Considering how there's no unanimous decision on what interpretation of the bible is correct, who is accurate? So, as far as I'm concerned, only god has the true authority to speak for himself, and any believer's interpretation of the bible is rendered moot.
God says that there are true believers. Is His interpretation of His own Word also rendered moot?
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Well in the case, I could easily say you're not a true believer either, as there's no such thing. Considering how there's no unanimous decision on what interpretation of the bible is correct, who is accurate? So, as far as I'm concerned, only god has the true authority to speak for himself, and any believer's interpretation of the bible is rendered moot.
God says that there are true believers. Is His interpretation of His own Word also rendered moot?
You're dodging the question yet again ma boi. Whose believer's interpretation is accurate and thus qualifies as a true believer?
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Well in the case, I could easily say you're not a true believer either, as there's no such thing. Considering how there's no unanimous decision on what interpretation of the bible is correct, who is accurate? So, as far as I'm concerned, only god has the true authority to speak for himself, and any believer's interpretation of the bible is rendered moot.
God says that there are true believers. Is His interpretation of His own Word also rendered moot?
You're dodging the question yet again ma boi. Whose interpretation is accurate and thus qualifies as a true believer?
Only God's interpretation is completely accurate. Scripture interprets Scripture, "ma boi".
If you want to know who's a true believer, you can't know for sure. Only God and the believer himself know.
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Well in the case, I could easily say you're not a true believer either, as there's no such thing. Considering how there's no unanimous decision on what interpretation of the bible is correct, who is accurate? So, as far as I'm concerned, only god has the true authority to speak for himself, and any believer's interpretation of the bible is rendered moot.
God says that there are true believers. Is His interpretation of His own Word also rendered moot?
You're dodging the question yet again ma boi. Whose interpretation is accurate and thus qualifies as a true believer?
Only God's interpretation is completely accurate. Scripture interprets Scripture, "ma boi".
If you want to know who's a true believer, you can't know for sure. Only God and the believer himself know.
But that's interpreted by his believers by a book that has been re-translated and edited over thousands of years. :zoinks:
There's honestly no way of knowing you're true to god's will, and not a tool to establishment meddling of a holy text.
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But that's interpreted by his believers by a book that has been re-translated and edited over thousands of years. :zoinks:
Yes, believers and skeptics have interpreted writings that they have no right to interpret. So what? I only care for what God himself says in His Word.
I mean, if you want to know what a certain sentence implies in a Harry Potter book means, do you go to some 6-year-old Harry Potter fan for the correct interpretation? Or do you go to the author herself?
Edited? What edits are we talking about exactly?
Yes, the Bible has been translated several times. What? Do you want every person to learn Hebrew and Greek in order to understand the Bible? :P
There's honestly no way of knowing you're true to god's will, and not a tool to establishment meddling of a holy text.
I like how you just had to put that word "honestly" in there. ::)
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But that's interpreted by his believers by a book that has been re-translated and edited over thousands of years. :zoinks:
Yes, believers and skeptics have interpreted writings that they have no right to interpret. So what? I only care for what God himself says in His Word.
I mean, if you want to know what a certain sentence implies in a Harry Potter book means, do you go to some 6-year-old Harry Potter fan for the correct interpretation? Or do you go to the author herself?
Edited? What edits are we talking about exactly?
Yes, the Bible has been translated several times. What? Do you want every person to learn Hebrew and Greek in order to understand the Bible? :P
There's honestly no way of knowing you're true to god's will, and not a tool to establishment meddling of a holy text.
I like how you just had to put that word "honestly" in there. ::)
So you're comparing Harry Potter to the Bible now? That's a good sign as you're acknowledging the the bible is tantamount a fictional story. lol, Harry Potter is intentional fiction, never meant to hold any serious meaning, only to captivate imaginations and to entertain. Nice load of FAIL right there. In fact, I'm sure other religious people would be offended at you for making such an insinuation. After all, Harry Potter is the book of the Devil! :orly:
And yes, I say "honestly" because from what I see, you're clearly just talking out of your arse. You can't answer a simple question on what believer's interpretation is correct and serves as validity of being a true believer. You're a false believer, a fraud, and nothing you say can be trusted to truly represent god's will. As far as anyone's concern, you're probably one of Satan's agents, trying to pervert the holy works to corrupt people. GTFO satanfag. :zoinks:
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So you're comparing Harry Potter to the Bible now? That's a good sign as you're acknowledging the the bible is tantamount a fictional story. lol, Harry Potter is intentional fiction, never meant to hold any serious meaning, only to captivate imaginations and to entertain. Nice load of FAIL right there.
So was Harry potter a wizard according to the books or not? What if someone argued he was actually a demon from the pits of hell? Or that he was a woman in disguise? Does this make their interpretations of the Harry potter books valid?
I see nothing wrong with the analogy I made to serve a simple point. In no way am I insinuating that the Harry Potter books and the Bible are on the same level of divine and historical truths.
But, as usual, you display poor reasoning skills and project such lack of skills on me.
In fact, I'm sure other religious people would be offended at you for making such an insinuation. After all, Harry Potter is the book of the Devil! :orly:
I'm not bothered that much by what religious people think. Who told you Harry Potter is from the Devil?
And yes, I say "honestly" because from what I see, you're clearly just talking out of your arse. You can't answer a simple question on what believer's interpretation is correct and serves as validity of being a true believer.
I keep telling you it's not up to any believer (or any mere human for the matter) to interpret God's Word. What is it you don't understand here?
You're a false believer, a fraud, and nothing you say can be trusted to truly represent god's will. As far as anyone's concern, you're probably one of Satan's agents, trying to pervert the holy works to corrupt people. GTFO satanfag. :zoinks:
Ok, even if I'm not a true believer, what does this have to do with what God Himself tells you through the Bible?
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That is obviously not an accurate image as you wouldn't be alive now if it was a couple of homosexual men that God Himself directly created.
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That is obviously not an accurate image as you wouldn't be alive now if it was a couple of homosexual men that God Himself directly created.
Who's to say they were the only two people created?
Who's to say it was just Adam and Eve and god didn't create anymore?
A being that omnipotent is surely going to keep some secrets right?
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So you're comparing Harry Potter to the Bible now? That's a good sign as you're acknowledging the the bible is tantamount a fictional story. lol, Harry Potter is intentional fiction, never meant to hold any serious meaning, only to captivate imaginations and to entertain. Nice load of FAIL right there.
So was Harry potter a wizard according to the books or not? What if someone argued he was actually a demon from the pits of hell? Or that he was a woman in disguise? Does this make their interpretations of the Harry potter books valid?
I see nothing wrong with the analogy I made to serve a simple point. In no way am I insinuating that the Harry Potter books and the Bible are on the same level of divine and historical truths.
But, as usual, you display poor reasoning skills and project such lack of skills on me.
In fact, I'm sure other religious people would be offended at you for making such an insinuation. After all, Harry Potter is the book of the Devil! :orly:
I'm not bothered that much by what religious people think. Who told you Harry Potter is from the Devil?
And yes, I say "honestly" because from what I see, you're clearly just talking out of your arse. You can't answer a simple question on what believer's interpretation is correct and serves as validity of being a true believer.
I keep telling you it's not up to any believer (or any mere human for the matter) to interpret God's Word. What is it you don't understand here?
You're a false believer, a fraud, and nothing you say can be trusted to truly represent god's will. As far as anyone's concern, you're probably one of Satan's agents, trying to pervert the holy works to corrupt people. GTFO satanfag. :zoinks:
Ok, even if I'm not a true believer, what does this have to do with what God Himself tells you through the Bible?
Like clockwork yet again. The point is, you were trying to level the Bible on par with a fictional story. Apples and Oranges problem if the Bible is not fiction.
Besides debating the interpretation of Harry Potter is not going to condemn me to eternal damnation if I get the interpretation wrong, you know. It's an issue of consequence, debating interpretations in a fictional canon will just make you look silly and attract the wrath of fanboys (or worse, inspire a fan-fic), but god forbid, with a holy text, it can mean the difference between eternal salvation and damnation, oh noes! So yeah, you can't use a fictional analogy unless you either admit Harry Potter holds some sort of real existential consequence, or the Bible is fiction with rabid fanboys taking fandom too far.
And we come full circle too, because how can it be so sure that the Bible is a reliable text to begin with? There's nothing to suggest it was actually written by god, and anyone can easily pretend to write as if they're god. That's how cults work. :toporly:
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And before you say it, if God's word was so clear and concise, why do so many religions and their denominations, sects, cults interpret God and/or the Bible in their own way exist? You'd think God would be a excellent writer and averted this problem. :zoinks:
As I asked before but now rephrased, which denomination is correct? You say God says there's true believers, then define more specific boundaries.
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Adultery, according to wiki anyway, is infidelity to ones spouse. I've never had a spouse. I obviously have thought about sex with other people though.
Jesus Christ disagrees with you.
Matthew 5:27-28
You have heard that it was said, ‘You shall not commit adultery.’ But I tell you that anyone who looks at a woman lustfully has already committed adultery with her in his heart.
Jebus does agree with me. That statement clearly says that a man is committing adultery if he lusts after a woman. I ain't a man. I can lust after all the women I want :razz:
God is obviously a fan of lesbian sex.
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Adultery, according to wiki anyway, is infidelity to ones spouse. I've never had a spouse. I obviously have thought about sex with other people though.
Jesus Christ disagrees with you.
Matthew 5:27-28
You have heard that it was said, ‘You shall not commit adultery.’ But I tell you that anyone who looks at a woman lustfully has already committed adultery with her in his heart.
Jebus does agree with me. That statement clearly says that a man is committing adultery if he lusts after a woman. I ain't a man. I can lust after all the women I want :razz:
God is obviously a fan of lesbian sex.
Ha! Technicality is a bitch lol. I wonder how often that problem appears, certainty sounds like a typical mistake/preference a human would make in writing scriptures. :orly:
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God is obviously a fan of lesbian sex.
I can't think of a greater creation myself. :autism:
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Seemingly intelligent believer must not avoid making the statement of dinosaur walking the earth with man.
I never said I was intelligent.
But I don't mind stating that the dinosaurs once walked the earth with man.
Correct, seemingly. Only once walked the earth with man, not first walked the earth with man?
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HAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Tried to do that quiz posted in the OP.
But got stuck at the check of the second commandment. That quiz is doing there exactly what they are opposing.
Couldn't make it any further. The test is a fraud. (Now, that is a surprise....)
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The first question alone was enough to discredit the entire quiz. And having to listen to this guy read the questions is obnoxious.
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I am guilty of all 10 of course. As is everyone else who has taken this quiz. Heaven must be pretty empty, and boring.
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Didn't finish the quiz either. Don't care enough about other's interpretation.
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Who's to say they were the only two people created? Who's to say it was just Adam and Eve and god didn't create anymore?
You can check God's own Word if you're interested in the truth.
A being that omnipotent is surely going to keep some secrets right?
But He can't contradict them. God is not a liar.
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Like clockwork yet again. The point is, you were trying to level the Bible on par with a fictional story. Apples and Oranges problem if the Bible is not fiction.
Apples and oranges are still both fruits regardless of the differences.
Besides debating the interpretation of Harry Potter is not going to condemn me to eternal damnation if I get the interpretation wrong, you know. It's an issue of consequence, debating interpretations in a fictional canon will just make you look silly and attract the wrath of fanboys (or worse, inspire a fan-fic), but god forbid, with a holy text, it can mean the difference between eternal salvation and damnation, oh noes! So yeah, you can't use a fictional analogy unless you either admit Harry Potter holds some sort of real existential consequence, or the Bible is fiction with rabid fanboys taking fandom too far.
Still missing the point, I see.
Break out of this circle. Forget Harry Potter. Go to any science book and see if it's right to interpret the text the way you want.
And we come full circle too, because how can it be so sure that the Bible is a reliable text to begin with? There's nothing to suggest it was actually written by god, and anyone can easily pretend to write as if they're god. That's how cults work. :toporly:
Just because counterfeit money exists doesn't mean real money doesn't.
Yes, the Bible is from God. Read it if you don't believe me.
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And before you say it, if God's word was so clear and concise, why do so many religions and their denominations, sects, cults interpret God and/or the Bible in their own way exist? You'd think God would be a excellent writer and averted this problem. :zoinks:
God's Word is very simple to understand, but you have to be like a baby when reading His Word. Man refuses to accept exactly what God Himself says, so he interprets His Word on his own terms according to his own desires. That is not right to do, but man (fallen by nature) insists on doing so. Hence, the various denominations and sects.
As I asked before but now rephrased, which denomination is correct? You say God says there's true believers, then define more specific boundaries.
The only true "denomination" is the "denomination" of the Church of Jesus Christ Himself.
John 3:18
Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe stands condemned already because they have not believed in the name of God’s one and only Son.
The true believer is the one who believes in Jesus Christ as the Lord and the Savior (regardless of which denomination [or lack of it] he adheres to). That's the Church of Jesus Christ.
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Who's to say they were the only two people created? Who's to say it was just Adam and Eve and god didn't create anymore?
You can check God's own Word if you're interested in the truth.
You mean a bible? , a bible is written by man , and therefore likely to have been tampered with to suit the authors opinions.
A being that omnipotent is surely going to keep some secrets right?
But He can't contradict them. God is not a liar.
Witholding truth is different from lying.
As governments and militaries operate , they keep a certain amount of knowledge from the general public , I'm sure a deity such as God would also keep some knowledge from the first two humans alive.
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Jebus does agree with me. That statement clearly says that a man is committing adultery if he lusts after a woman. I ain't a man. I can lust after all the women I want :razz:
God is obviously a fan of lesbian sex.
I don't know who Jebus is, but he sounds like a pervert for agreeing with you on this.
Anyhow, you're wrong. The Lord actually says lust is a sin (regardless of your gender).
Galatians 5:19-21
The acts of the flesh are obvious: sexual immorality, impurity and debauchery; idolatry and witchcraft; hatred, discord, jealousy, fits of rage, selfish ambition, dissensions, factions and envy; drunkenness, orgies, and the like. I warn you, as I did before, that those who live like this will not inherit the kingdom of God.
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Seemingly intelligent believer must not avoid making the statement of dinosaur walking the earth with man.
I never said I was intelligent.
But I don't mind stating that the dinosaurs once walked the earth with man.
Correct, seemingly. Only once walked the earth with man, not first walked the earth with man?
They were created the same week. What do you reckon?
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Jebus does agree with me. That statement clearly says that a man is committing adultery if he lusts after a woman. I ain't a man. I can lust after all the women I want :razz:
God is obviously a fan of lesbian sex.
I don't know who Jebus is, but he sounds like a pervert for agreeing with you on this.
Anyhow, you're wrong. The Lord actually says lust is a sin (regardless of your gender).
Galatians 5:19-21
The acts of the flesh are obvious: sexual immorality, impurity and debauchery; idolatry and witchcraft; hatred, discord, jealousy, fits of rage, selfish ambition, dissensions, factions and envy; drunkenness, orgies, and the like. I warn you, as I did before, that those who live like this will not inherit the kingdom of God.
Isn't lust being a sin technically a logical fallacy?
I mean , without lust you cannot have desire , without desire you cannot procreate.... Idk , it just seems like one great big logic error.
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I am guilty of all 10 of course. As is everyone else who has taken this quiz. Heaven must be pretty empty, and boring.
That's exactly why Jesus Christ came to this world to die for our sins.
Romans 6:23
For the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord.
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Seemingly intelligent believer must not avoid making the statement of dinosaur walking the earth with man.
I never said I was intelligent.
But I don't mind stating that the dinosaurs once walked the earth with man.
Correct, seemingly. Only once walked the earth with man, not first walked the earth with man?
They were created the same week. What do you reckon?
It's not a common stance. Many believers will make the claim of god's days being longer than literal days. Then you refute scientific evidence of the contrary?
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Didn't finish the quiz either. Don't care enough about other's interpretation.
Or maybe you're just not interested in the truth.
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The true believer is the one who believes in Jesus Christ as the Lord and the Savior
Jesus as lord breaks the first commandment.
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Didn't finish the quiz either. Don't care enough about other's interpretation.
Or maybe you're just not interested in the truth.
His interpretation is your truth? Would think your interpretation would be your truth.
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You mean a bible? , a bible is written by man , and therefore likely to have been tampered with to suit the authors opinions.
Human beings penned down God's Word in the Scriptures; they didn't pen down their own words. That's what the Bible is - a collection of books authored by God Himself through human beings.
Witholding truth is different from lying.
I didn't argue against this. I argued that God cannot contradict His Word.
After the sex days of creation, God rested from His work.
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Lol. Sex days.
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Isn't lust being a sin technically a logical fallacy?
I mean , without lust you cannot have desire , without desire you cannot procreate.... Idk , it just seems like one great big logic error.
Desire is not the same as lust.
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It's not a common stance. Many believers will make the claim of god's days being longer than literal days. Then you refute scientific evidence of the contrary?
What scientific evidence? And why should I care about what other people say if what they say contradicts God's Word?
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The true believer is the one who believes in Jesus Christ as the Lord and the Savior
Jesus as lord breaks the first commandment.
Jesus is not under the law.
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Didn't finish the quiz either. Don't care enough about other's interpretation.
Or maybe you're just not interested in the truth.
His interpretation is your truth? Would think your interpretation would be your truth.
Only God's interpretation is true. When we follow God's interpretation, it doesn't become our own interpretation. It's still God's.
By the way, truth is absolute. If I believe I'm Rambo, does this make me truly Rambo?
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Human beings penned down God's Word in the Scriptures; they didn't pen down their own words. That's what the Bible is - a collection of books authored by God Himself through human beings.
How do you know this?
Human beings will often twist words for their own purpose as human nature has proven time and time again.
I didn't argue against this. I argued that God cannot contradict His Word.
After the sex days of creation, God rested from His work.
Can't he?
If he's an omnipotent being , what exactly is going to stop him? ;)
(Bolded that part for some offtopic I2 humour , if there were sex days of creating why did we need a second coming of christ? :zoinks:)
Isn't lust being a sin technically a logical fallacy?
I mean , without lust you cannot have desire , without desire you cannot procreate.... Idk , it just seems like one great big logic error.
Desire is not the same as lust.
Lust is an emotional force that is directly associated with the thinking or fantasizing about one's desire, usually in a sexual way.[1]
It's not a common stance. Many believers will make the claim of god's days being longer than literal days. Then you refute scientific evidence of the contrary?
What scientific evidence? And why should I care about what other people say if what they say contradicts God's Word?
Because God's word preaches understanding of others opinions and beliefs doesn't it?
plus , in order to successfully take part in an argument , you need to listen to others stances and opinions.
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Lol. Sex days.
I think somebody edited my post there.
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It's not a common stance. Many believers will make the claim of god's days being longer than literal days. Then you refute scientific evidence of the contrary?
What scientific evidence? And why should I care about what other people say if what they say contradicts God's Word?
Lol. Thought you were going to take the seemingly intelligent approach Mcalavera. There's plenty of believers who accept the stance of the scientific community in the dino preceding humanity and still work a way around the same day creation conflict. Might as well have said there were no dinosaurs and god put the dino bones there to test your faith, because if the science of the dino contradicts god's word then dinos contradict gods word.
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The true believer is the one who believes in Jesus Christ as the Lord and the Savior
Jesus as lord breaks the first commandment.
Jesus is not under the law.
Man is, in who he worships as lord.
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Only God's interpretation is true. When we follow God's interpretation, it doesn't become our own interpretation. It's still God's.
By the way, truth is absolute. If I believe I'm Rambo, does this make me truly Rambo?
The man on the website expresses god's interpretation? What if my interpretation is different from his? Why is my interpretation not god's interpretation?
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I did the test and got a lecture on how I anger god. :LMAO:
U mad god? :trollface:
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I did the test and apparently i am guilty of everything but murder and will roast in hell forever. Thanks God, now you made me feel bad. I thought you were supposed to fill our hearts with joy ?
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I did the test and apparently i am guilty of everything but murder and will roast in hell forever. Thanks God, now you made me feel bad. I thought you were supposed to fill our hearts with joy ?
I loved the part where it compared "lust" with "rape" , really now... you'd think an omnipotent being'd have some perspective. ::)
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How do you know this?
I've read His Word. Have you?
Human beings will often twist words for their own purpose as human nature has proven time and time again.
Yes, but God is sovereign, is He not?
Can't he?
If he's an omnipotent being , what exactly is going to stop him? ;)
Maybe having morals?
(Bolded that part for some offtopic I2 humour , if there were sex days of creating why did we need a second coming of christ? :zoinks:)
Very funny ... NOT!
Lust is an emotional force that is directly associated with the thinking or fantasizing about one's desire, usually in a sexual way.[1]
Good. So even that definition you pulled out from some New Age dictionary states that lust is not equivalent to desire.
Because God's word preaches understanding of others opinions and beliefs doesn't it?
It does? ???
plus , in order to successfully take part in an argument , you need to listen to others stances and opinions.
I did. They're wrong.
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Lol. Thought you were going to take the seemingly intelligent approach Mcalavera. There's plenty of believers who accept the stance of the scientific community in the dino preceding humanity and still work a way around the same day creation conflict.
Why do you keep appealing to the majority as if they must be right?
Can't a man like me have the right to accept what God Himself says for a change?
Might as well have said there were no dinosaurs and god put the dino bones there to test your faith, because if the science of the dino contradicts god's word then dinos contradict gods word.
Science doesn't contradict God's Word. Evolutionism does, and evolutionism is not science.
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Only God's interpretation is true. When we follow God's interpretation, it doesn't become our own interpretation. It's still God's.
By the way, truth is absolute. If I believe I'm Rambo, does this make me truly Rambo?
The man on the website expresses god's interpretation? What if my interpretation is different from his? Why is my interpretation not god's interpretation?
Because it's different from God's interpretation. :autism:
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I did the test and apparently i am guilty of everything but murder and will roast in hell forever. Thanks God, now you made me feel bad. I thought you were supposed to fill our hearts with joy ?
Did you go all the way through to the end? There's the bit about Jesus Christ dying for you on the cross ...
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I did the test and apparently i am guilty of everything but murder and will roast in hell forever. Thanks God, now you made me feel bad. I thought you were supposed to fill our hearts with joy ?
I loved the part where it compared "lust" with "rape" , really now... you'd think an omnipotent being'd have some perspective. ::)
You mad? :trollface:
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I did the test and apparently i am guilty of everything but murder and will roast in hell forever. Thanks God, now you made me feel bad. I thought you were supposed to fill our hearts with joy ?
Did you go all the way through to the end? There's the bit about Jesus Christ dying for you on the cross ...
I'm supposed to feel good that man was tortured to death ???
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Only God's interpretation is true. When we follow God's interpretation, it doesn't become our own interpretation. It's still God's.
By the way, truth is absolute. If I believe I'm Rambo, does this make me truly Rambo?
The man on the website expresses god's interpretation? What if my interpretation is different from his? Why is my interpretation not god's interpretation?
Because it's different from God's interpretation. :autism:
You didn't answer the first question.
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Science doesn't contradict God's Word. Evolutionism does, and evolutionism is not science.
Carbon dating dinos as preceding man has nothing to do with evolution.
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Like clockwork yet again. The point is, you were trying to level the Bible on par with a fictional story. Apples and Oranges problem if the Bible is not fiction.
Apples and oranges are still both fruits regardless of the differences.
Besides debating the interpretation of Harry Potter is not going to condemn me to eternal damnation if I get the interpretation wrong, you know. It's an issue of consequence, debating interpretations in a fictional canon will just make you look silly and attract the wrath of fanboys (or worse, inspire a fan-fic), but god forbid, with a holy text, it can mean the difference between eternal salvation and damnation, oh noes! So yeah, you can't use a fictional analogy unless you either admit Harry Potter holds some sort of real existential consequence, or the Bible is fiction with rabid fanboys taking fandom too far.
Still missing the point, I see.
Break out of this circle. Forget Harry Potter. Go to any science book and see if it's right to interpret the text the way you want.
And we come full circle too, because how can it be so sure that the Bible is a reliable text to begin with? There's nothing to suggest it was actually written by god, and anyone can easily pretend to write as if they're god. That's how cults work. :toporly:
Just because counterfeit money exists doesn't mean real money doesn't.
Yes, the Bible is from God. Read it if you don't believe me.
If by fruit you mean "fiction", then yes I agree, they're both the same in that regard. :zoinks:
You brought up Harry Potter to begin with, I can't help you had to resort to fictional works for comparison. Now you're trying to suggest science books also fall under the same category. A science book is different, it's based on observation of reality and is mathematically backed, there's no way in hell one could misinterpret that 1 + 1 does not equal 2. That's an axiom which even a toddler can demonstrate with toy blocks.
The fail is getting too much now, even god would facepalm at you. You're not doing a good job selling your case to 'save us' from eternal damnation, and if Heaven sounds like what it is, I rather go to Hell anyway.
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The fail is getting too much now
Actually not done too bad. Many will often resort to statements containing 'god thinks' or try to explain motives of god. Do believe I saw a 'god wants' which is touchy, but overall statements refraining from this type of thing.
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I did the test and apparently i am guilty of everything but murder and will roast in hell forever. Thanks God, now you made me feel bad. I thought you were supposed to fill our hearts with joy ?
Did you go all the way through to the end? There's the bit about Jesus Christ dying for you on the cross ...
I'm supposed to feel good that man was tortured to death ???
You're supposed to be happy that someone who owes you nothing died to give you the opportunity to have eternal life.
He loves you!!!
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Only God's interpretation is true. When we follow God's interpretation, it doesn't become our own interpretation. It's still God's.
By the way, truth is absolute. If I believe I'm Rambo, does this make me truly Rambo?
The man on the website expresses god's interpretation? What if my interpretation is different from his? Why is my interpretation not god's interpretation?
Because it's different from God's interpretation. :autism:
You didn't answer the first question.
That man is just a man. He may say wrong things at times, so that's why it's important to always check what God Himself says regardless.
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Science doesn't contradict God's Word. Evolutionism does, and evolutionism is not science.
Carbon dating dinos as preceding man has nothing to do with evolution.
It's related to evolutionism.
Evolutionism implies old age for the Earth.
Humans, not wanting to accept God's own testimony, want to believe that dinosaurs lived before humans because they think they couldn't have been together in the same period and because their favorite "theory" presupposes the old age of the planet, so why not have the dinosaurs be living long before humans came into being? ::)
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If by fruit you mean "fiction", then yes I agree, they're both the same in that regard. :zoinks:
No, by "fruit", I mean "book". Fail!
You brought up Harry Potter to begin with, I can't help you had to resort to fictional works for comparison. Now you're trying to suggest science books also fall under the same category. A science book is different, it's based on observation of reality and is mathematically backed, there's no way in hell one could misinterpret that 1 + 1 does not equal 2. That's an axiom which even a toddler can demonstrate with toy blocks.
Good, so if someone argues that science/math books state that 1 + 1 = 3, wouldn't you want to correct him and let him know that's not what the books say? Or do you just tell him that, since this is his interpretation, it is true for him?
And is it the fault of the books that he interprets them wrongly?
The fail is getting too much now, even god would facepalm at you. You're not doing a good job selling your case to 'save us' from eternal damnation, and if Heaven sounds like what it is, I rather go to Hell anyway.
You're so cool, man. You definitely did NOT fail at all.
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Only God's interpretation is true. When we follow God's interpretation, it doesn't become our own interpretation. It's still God's.
By the way, truth is absolute. If I believe I'm Rambo, does this make me truly Rambo?
The man on the website expresses god's interpretation? What if my interpretation is different from his? Why is my interpretation not god's interpretation?
Because it's different from God's interpretation. :autism:
You didn't answer the first question.
That man is just a man. He may say wrong things at times, so that's why it's important to always check what God Himself says regardless.
Good. Then will stick to not caring about the interpretations of others.
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Even God's interpretation?
As you wish.
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Even God's interpretation?
As you wish.
What is god's interpretation?
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I am going to hell. What about white lies? People have told me that they are ok. So does that mean all those people are going to hell as well?
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Even God's interpretation?
As you wish.
What is god's interpretation?
Check the Bible. Stop going in circles with me!!! :LOL:
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I am going to hell. What about white lies? People have told me that they are ok. So does that mean all those people are going to hell as well?
Why are white "lies" considered lies? What if he's sincere and truly thinks someone else is beautiful?
As for hell, we're all initally condemned to hell because of our sinful nature. But the Good News is God has given us the opportunity to be saved through Christ Jesus. Will you accept His gift of salvation for you? Or will you reject it like many others here continue to do?
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Even God's interpretation?
As you wish.
What is god's interpretation?
Check the Bible. Stop going in circles with me!!! :LOL:
You're the one who said I wasn't interested in the truth because I don't care how other's interpret the bible. :laugh:
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Oh, and don't forget about the topic of your false idol and savior.
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I am going to hell. What about white lies? People have told me that they are ok. So does that mean all those people are going to hell as well?
Why are white "lies" considered lies? What if he's sincere and truly thinks someone else is beautiful?
As for hell, we're all initally condemned to hell because of our sinful nature. But the Good News is God has given us the opportunity to be saved through Christ Jesus. Will you accept His gift of salvation for you? Or will you reject it like many others here continue to do?
Who is "he"?
An example would be saying someone's haircut suits them but inside you think it looks awful. But you are only saying it to make the other person feel better and to not look like a horrible person if you spoke the truth.
Can't really accept the gift of salvation. Will probably say, "goddamnit!" again some time in future. Or wish to have something that someone else has got. Probably do that lots of times.
Getting Jesus to die for our sins obviously didn't work. Just wondering if God will try something else or send down another Jesus fgure. There is this guy who thinks he is Jesus:
http://au.news.yahoo.com/sunday-night/features/article/-/10276027/inside-australias-chilling-new-cult/ (http://au.news.yahoo.com/sunday-night/features/article/-/10276027/inside-australias-chilling-new-cult/)
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That article says the dividians died in mass suicide.
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Here's my question:
What the fuck is Genisis 6:2 supposed to mean when it says "The sons of God looked down upon the daughters of men and saw that they were hot assed beotches and hoes and they said 'Mmm I wants to get me a piece of dat fine monkey ass' and they married those beotches 'n shit." ??
And on chapter 4, it says:"Yo! There was some giant assed NBA playin muthafuckahs bach then, when the sons of god came unto the daughters of men and they doggie fucked the shit outa dem hoes and bore them many children. Those were the mighty men who were of old, men of renown".
Sorry, but I didn't come here to entertain and play games with you guys. I seriously want you all to be saved.
Genesis 6:2-4 says that the sons of God mated with the daughters of men, and the Nephilim were born as a result.
Any serious concerns with the passage?
Yo! my translation cam from da New International Eubonics Version, or NIEV.
What concerns mah niggah ass is what happend to tose giant assed NBA playin muthafuckahs??
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If by fruit you mean "fiction", then yes I agree, they're both the same in that regard. :zoinks:
No, by "fruit", I mean "book". Fail!
You brought up Harry Potter to begin with, I can't help you had to resort to fictional works for comparison. Now you're trying to suggest science books also fall under the same category. A science book is different, it's based on observation of reality and is mathematically backed, there's no way in hell one could misinterpret that 1 + 1 does not equal 2. That's an axiom which even a toddler can demonstrate with toy blocks.
Good, so if someone argues that science/math books state that 1 + 1 = 3, wouldn't you want to correct him and let him know that's not what the books say? Or do you just tell him that, since this is his interpretation, it is true for him?
And is it the fault of the books that he interprets them wrongly?
The fail is getting too much now, even god would facepalm at you. You're not doing a good job selling your case to 'save us' from eternal damnation, and if Heaven sounds like what it is, I rather go to Hell anyway.
You're so cool, man. You definitely did NOT fail at all.
Cracking are we? Excellent. >:D
Oh sorry, yes there's two things, they're both books and fictional, oh sorry, my mistake. :green:
Mathematics is logical and of course it's not open to personal interpretation, but it's logical because it has capacity to demonstrate real-life proofs to say indeed, 1 +1 does not equal 3 but 2 and is universally accepted. You need to play with toy blocks or a calculator more if you honestly are stupid enough to make such an argument. I mean you can't even concisely answer the question given to you about what makes the Bible legitimate and which denomination is correct. Your church of Jesus Christ answer is not specific enough, as there's dozens of denomination that fit that category, and yet all have different interpretations of the Bible. If you cannot even answer for why that is the case and provide a real-life proof that is unanimously accepted, then it's obvious the Bible is flawed. How do you know what you believe is correct, not the work of a fraud if there's no empirical way to authenticate it?
All you're offering is vague answer and twisting of words to suit your own arguments. You're hoping to tire us into submission, which I'm afraid isn't going to work. :trollface:
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It's related to evolutionism.
Evolutionism implies old age for the Earth.
Humans, not wanting to accept God's own testimony, want to believe that dinosaurs lived before humans because they think they couldn't have been together in the same period and because their favorite "theory" presupposes the old age of the planet, so why not have the dinosaurs be living long before humans came into being? ::)
The idea that the earth was in the order of hundreds of millions of yeas old, doesn't come from the theory of evolution, it comes from geology. James Hutton proved this in the 1785 book, Theory of the Earth; or an Investigation of the Laws observable in the Composition, Dissolution, and Restoration of Land upon the Globe.
Geology: Young Earth Creationists great bugaboo. 8)
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(OOC: Heh, I was noticed this thread is already 11 pages long, and we're only dealing with someone pretending to be a fundie. :laugh: )
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(OOC: Heh, I was noticed this thread is already 11 pages long, and we're only dealing with someone pretending to be a fundie. :laugh: )
That's the only reason am participating. :laugh:
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Who's to say they were the only two people created? Who's to say it was just Adam and Eve and god didn't create anymore?
You can check God's own Word if you're interested in the truth.
A being that omnipotent is surely going to keep some secrets right?
But He can't contradict them. God is not a liar.
What creation myth should I hold for accurate?
Genesis 1 or Genesis 2?
They can't be both fully factual.
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I did the test and apparently i am guilty of everything but murder and will roast in hell forever. Thanks God, now you made me feel bad. I thought you were supposed to fill our hearts with joy ?
Did you go all the way through to the end? There's the bit about Jesus Christ dying for you on the cross ...
I'm supposed to feel good that man was tortured to death ???
You're supposed to be happy that someone who owes you nothing died to give you the opportunity to have eternal life.
He loves you!!!
Sorry, I dont really like it when people die. The fact that someone died FOR me kinda makes it worse. I may lack empathy but am not totally devoid of it. I didnt even know this dude.
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Will respond to your posts tomorrow. For now, check this link:
http://www.answersingenesis.org/ (http://www.answersingenesis.org/)
Lots of scientific facts in there that evolutionist scientists do not want you to read. ;)
Have fun checking the site.
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I did the test and apparently i am guilty of everything but murder and will roast in hell forever. Thanks God, now you made me feel bad. I thought you were supposed to fill our hearts with joy ?
Did you go all the way through to the end? There's the bit about Jesus Christ dying for you on the cross ...
I'm supposed to feel good that man was tortured to death ???
You're supposed to be happy that someone who owes you nothing died to give you the opportunity to have eternal life.
He loves you!!!
Sorry, I dont really like it when people die. The fact that someone died FOR me kinda makes it worse. I may lack empathy but am not totally devoid of it. I didnt even know this dude.
I would have been nice and put him down quickly with my HK P2000sk. That would be merciful and polite. My P2000sk holds 9+1 rounds of 40 S&W. I load it with Federal 180 grain HST JHPs. It is my current favorite. :thumbup:
(http://i51.tinypic.com/1zme35t.jpg)
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I did the test and apparently i am guilty of everything but murder and will roast in hell forever. Thanks God, now you made me feel bad. I thought you were supposed to fill our hearts with joy ?
I loved the part where it compared "lust" with "rape" , really now... you'd think an omnipotent being'd have some perspective. ::)
You mad? :trollface:
(You're falling out of character Mcalavera :laugh:)
Ok so I have a question , do you have anything other than the bible to back your claims?
If not , can we all just accept you are a delusional christfag and ignore you? :zoinks:
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What do you think of the fundie Johan Huibers, who thinks that in the arc of Noah all prototypes of animals were gathered. So, only one pair of the feline species, one of the canine species, one kind of serpents and such. He needed that reduction, to explain the arc could carry all those animals. There would be some kind of evolution after the deluge to bring us the wide variety of species we have now.
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What do you think of the fundie Johan Huibers, who thinks that in the arc of Noah all prototypes of animals were gathered. So, only one pair of the feline species, one of the canine species, one kind of serpents and such. He needed that reduction, to explain the arc could carry all those animals. There would be some kind of evolution after the deluge to bring us the wide variety of species we have now.
I think his IQ and his shoe size are quite possibly interchangeable.
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What do you think of the fundie Johan Huibers, who thinks that in the arc of Noah all prototypes of animals were gathered. So, only one pair of the feline species, one of the canine species, one kind of serpents and such. He needed that reduction, to explain the arc could carry all those animals. There would be some kind of evolution after the deluge to bring us the wide variety of species we have now.
I think his IQ and his shoe size are quite possibly interchangeable.
He's fun to google.
He made my girls laugh too, when they were 6 and 9. Not that he tried to be funny.
He has flyered the whole of my country to convince us of creationism.
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I would have been nice and put him down quickly with my HK P2000sk. That would be merciful and polite. My P2000sk holds 9+1 rounds of 40 S&W. I load it with Federal 180 grain HST JHPs. It is my current favorite. :thumbup:
(http://i51.tinypic.com/1zme35t.jpg)
Does Remington still make the 165gr Golden Sabre?? Those were my favorite when I had a .40
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Yes, but they are not easy to find. I bought 500 rounds of 180 HST about a year ago. I have 350+ left. I have probably 500 other 155, 165 and 180s plus plenty of 9mms and 45 ACPs. :thumbup:
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You're the one who said I wasn't interested in the truth because I don't care how other's interpret the bible. :laugh:
I didn't ask you to care about how others interpret the Bible. Read the Bible and tell me if what that man is saying is not according to what the Bible says.
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Oh, and don't forget about the topic of your false idol and savior.
Jesus is not a false idol and savior. :(
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You're the one who said I wasn't interested in the truth because I don't care how other's interpret the bible. :laugh:
I didn't ask you to care about how others interpret the Bible. Read the Bible and tell me if what that man is saying is not according to what the Bible says.
Never said you asked me to care. You implied my lack of caring is a lack of interest in truth.
Didn't finish the quiz either. Don't care enough about other's interpretation.
Or maybe you're just not interested in the truth.
Oh, and don't forget about the topic of your false idol and savior.
Jesus is not a false idol and savior. :(
Jesus knows it's true.
And Jesus answered and said unto him, Get thee behind me, Satan: for it is written, Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and him only shalt thou serve. Matthew 4:10
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Who is "he"?
I mean a generic "he". Feel free to replace it with "she".
An example would be saying someone's haircut suits them but inside you think it looks awful. But you are only saying it to make the other person feel better and to not look like a horrible person if you spoke the truth.
Ah, ok. Well, it sounds like a lie to me. What do you think?
Can't really accept the gift of salvation. Will probably say, "goddamnit!" again some time in future. Or wish to have something that someone else has got. Probably do that lots of times.
Ah, but it's called a "gift" for a reason. When Jesus Christ saves, He really saves.
Ephesians 2:8-10
For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith—and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God—not by works, so that no one can boast. For we are God’s handiwork, created in Christ Jesus to do good works, which God prepared in advance for us to do.
Getting Jesus to die for our sins obviously didn't work.
Nope, it worked. He was resurrected from the dead as confirmation that He really is the Son of God! :)
Just wondering if God will try something else or send down another Jesus fgure. There is this guy who thinks he is Jesus:
http://au.news.yahoo.com/sunday-night/features/article/-/10276027/inside-australias-chilling-new-cult/ (http://au.news.yahoo.com/sunday-night/features/article/-/10276027/inside-australias-chilling-new-cult/)
Pretty normal, and exactly as Jesus prophesied.
Mark 13:5-8
Jesus said to them: “Watch out that no one deceives you. Many will come in my name, claiming, ‘I am he,’ and will deceive many. When you hear of wars and rumors of wars, do not be alarmed. Such things must happen, but the end is still to come. Nation will rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom. There will be earthquakes in various places, and famines. These are the beginning of birth pains.
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Jesus gave great head.
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Will be back in a few hours.
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Jesus was a pizza.
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Jesus was a pizza.
He was delicious. :zoinks:
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Jesus was a pizza.
He was delicious. :zoinks:
Passion of the crust. :orly:
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Jesus was a pizza.
He was delicious. :zoinks:
Passion of the crust. :orly:
He died for our greasy lusts. :laugh:
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Jesus gave great head.
Will be back in a few hours.
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Yo! my translation cam from da New International Eubonics Version, or NIEV.
What concerns mah niggah ass is what happend to tose giant assed NBA playin muthafuckahs??
Watch the NBA, and you'll see.
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Cracking are we? Excellent. >:D
You are, not me.
Oh sorry, yes there's two things, they're both books and fictional, oh sorry, my mistake. :green:
Nope, you're still making mistakes. A shame really.
Mathematics is logical and of course it's not open to personal interpretation, but it's logical because it has capacity to demonstrate real-life proofs to say indeed, 1 +1 does not equal 3 but 2 and is universally accepted. You need to play with toy blocks or a calculator more if you honestly are stupid enough to make such an argument.
I feel like believing that math books state that 1 + 1 = 2 and that science books state that the Earth is flat. It's my interpretation. Got a problem with that?
I mean you can't even concisely answer the question given to you about what makes the Bible legitimate and which denomination is correct.
The Bible is legit because God is the Author. And I already told you that salvation is not in any denomination. It's in Jesus Christ.
Your church of Jesus Christ answer is not specific enough, as there's dozens of denomination that fit that category, and yet all have different interpretations of the Bible.
If my answer doesn't satisfy you, that's your problem, not mine.
If you cannot even answer for why that is the case and provide a real-life proof that is unanimously accepted, then it's obvious the Bible is flawed.
I did answer; you just don't like it.
The Bible is not flawed. It's God's Word. Read it if you don't believe me.
How do you know what you believe is correct, not the work of a fraud if there's no empirical way to authenticate it?
Because I read it.
All you're offering is vague answer and twisting of words to suit your own arguments. You're hoping to tire us into submission, which I'm afraid isn't going to work. :trollface:
Ok, suit yourself.
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The idea that the earth was in the order of hundreds of millions of yeas old, doesn't come from the theory of evolution, it comes from geology. James Hutton proved this in the 1785 book, Theory of the Earth; or an Investigation of the Laws observable in the Composition, Dissolution, and Restoration of Land upon the Globe.
Geology: Young Earth Creationists great bugaboo. 8)
James Hutton is not God.
Why do you believe the testimony of a man rather than that of God? Did this James Hutton witness the creation of the universe?
I don't think so.
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What creation myth should I hold for accurate?
Genesis 1 or Genesis 2?
They can't be both fully factual.
1. It's not a myth. It's history.
2. Genesis 2 isn't about the creation of the universe in six days, but mostly about the creation of man and woman on the sixth day.
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Sorry, I dont really like it when people die. The fact that someone died FOR me kinda makes it worse. I may lack empathy but am not totally devoid of it. I didnt even know this dude.
Jesus Christ died for you willingly because He loves you. It's up to you if you want to accept His love for you.
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(You're falling out of character Mcalavera :laugh:)
I don't get it. What does that mean?
Ok so I have a question , do you have anything other than the bible to back your claims?
Yes, the universe is proof God is real. Look around you and see all the beautiful things the Creator has made.
Also, human nature is always inclined to sin and rebel against God. Confirmation that we really do need Jesus for our salvation.
If not , can we all just accept you are a delusional christfag and ignore you? :zoinks:
I thought there was nothing wrong with being a "fag" according to you guys. But feel free to ignore me if you so wish and if you are able to.
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What do you think of the fundie Johan Huibers, who thinks that in the arc of Noah all prototypes of animals were gathered. So, only one pair of the feline species, one of the canine species, one kind of serpents and such. He needed that reduction, to explain the arc could carry all those animals. There would be some kind of evolution after the deluge to bring us the wide variety of species we have now.
Don't know the guy. But the Bible does say "kind" and not "species".
By the way, mutation does not prove evolution.
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Never said you asked me to care. You implied my lack of caring is a lack of interest in truth.
Does this upset you?
Jesus knows it's true.
And Jesus answered and said unto him, Get thee behind me, Satan: for it is written, Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and him only shalt thou serve. Matthew 4:10
Amen.
We serve and worship God, not Satan.
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I'll leave you guys with this very educative video:
Kent Hovind debate vs three scientist P.h.d 1-15 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aI-LofA_c0s#)
I'll be back next week.
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So your whole premise on authenticity rests on just saying it's God word and provide nothing else to substantiate those claims? :laugh:
Wow, so you believe in Judaism, Islam and every other religion that has books of God's word too then? Considering God wrote those books too, going by your logic. This is where the contradictions arise severely as there's actually more than one book claiming to be the word of God, and a few pre-date your Bible. :zoinks:
Without authentication, how can you be sure the Bible is the correct one? And seriously, faith is not a option as an answer.
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Jesus was a pizza.
He was delicious. :zoinks:
Passion of the crust. :orly:
He died for our greasy lusts. :laugh:
:LMAO: :plus: to both of you.
Jesus gave great head.
Will be back in a few hours.
:rofl:
:rofl:
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I'm guilty of breaking 7 out of 10 commandments. :'( >:D
Same.
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What creation myth should I hold for accurate?
Genesis 1 or Genesis 2?
They can't be both fully factual.
1. It's not a myth. It's history.
2. Genesis 2 isn't about the creation of the universe in six days, but mostly about the creation of man and woman on the sixth day.
Nope. Two completely different poetic versions of the origin of earth.
Man is created in Genesis 2 before any other lifeform.
Then comes vegetation, and well defined streams of water. .
After that, animals were created, to give man a helper.
Man names all the animals, but non fits him as a helper.
Only after that, during sleep of the man, the woman is created from a rib of the man.
In Genesis 1, people are created at the sixth day, after the rest of the world has been created. They are created men and women, after the image of G_d.
Very different timeline, very different story.
Is one of these two versions false?
If one of them is false, how will I know which one to take as the absolute truth, and how can it be that there are lies in the book you say is factually true word by word?
Or are both something completely different than a factual report of how earth and it's inhabitants came to be?
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I hate to say this, but, it needs to be said for those of us who are religious skeptics. The Bible is a fairy tale put together by MEN to scare people to follow and give money to their beliefs. Every time I turn on the fucking tv, I see religious evangelists preaching and exhorting their followers to give and give muchly and deeply for their salvation to the church of the <insert name here>. If I'm going to hell, well, I'll be with a lot of my friends and we'll have a good time! :evillaugh:
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Jesus gives great rimjobs.
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I'll pass all the same, I'm not in the same boat as TheoK. :zombiefuck:
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Jesus was a sado. :zoinks:
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Jesus was a sado. :zoinks:
I think you mean, "Jesus was a soda"
Cherikee Red.
(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_G_ElcN3zq44/S-r9Nt0mC8I/AAAAAAAAAgc/CdxmMyKFZB8/s320/DSC_0134.JPG)
Let's all drink his bubbly goodness.
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The idea that the earth was in the order of hundreds of millions of yeas old, doesn't come from the theory of evolution, it comes from geology. James Hutton proved this in the 1785 book, Theory of the Earth; or an Investigation of the Laws observable in the Composition, Dissolution, and Restoration of Land upon the Globe.
Geology: Young Earth Creationists great bugaboo. 8)
James Hutton is not God.
I never claimed he was. DO try to pay closer attention.
Why do you believe the testimony of a man rather than that of God?
The history written into rock formations is neither the testimony of man OR "god". They are observable evidence of the earth's history.
Did this James Hutton witness the creation of the universe?
I don't think so.
In a sense, he has, so have astronomers who peer deep into the universe. Both looking at rocks and looking deep into the universe, allow us to look back in time. Rocks, because they record the events at the time of their formation, and the universe, because the light has taken billions of years to get here, so we are in fact, looking back in time.
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Why aren't you answering my questions about creation and the different versions in Genesis.
Not only different in content, also very different in style?
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Because "hardcore" Christians either ignore or respond to criticisms in an irrational matter.
Varg Vikernes should burn down more churches. :orly:
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Jesus swallows
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Because "hardcore" Christians either ignore or respond to criticisms in an irrational matter.
Varg Vikernes should burn down more churches. :orly:
But he has to answer, he should be gathering souls.
I on the other hand, can do as I please.
The fundie is the one with an obligation.
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So your whole premise on authenticity rests on just saying it's God word and provide nothing else to substantiate those claims? :laugh:
Do I really need to substantiate such a self-evident claim? It's clearly God's Word.
Wow, so you believe in Judaism, Islam and every other religion that has books of God's word too then? Considering God wrote those books too, going by your logic. This is where the contradictions arise severely as there's actually more than one book claiming to be the word of God, and a few pre-date your Bible. :zoinks:
Since when did I say that the Qur'an was written by God? And you do realize the Old Testament (which is, basically, the Jewish Bible) is part of the Scriptures, right?
You are a king of strawman arguments, you know that?
Without authentication, how can you be sure the Bible is the correct one? And seriously, faith is not a option as an answer.
How can you be sure you have a brain? Note that "I just know" is not an answer.
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Nope. Two completely different poetic versions of the origin of earth.
They are not poetic. Psalms is what's poetic.
Ok, let's see if they are really two completely contradictory versions.
Man is created in Genesis 2 before any other lifeform.
Then comes vegetation, and well defined streams of water. .
You're confusing "creation" and "agriculture" with each other. There were no fields before man. It doesn't say there were no plants or trees before man; it says there were no plants of the field before man.
Also, please show me where it says in Genesis 2 that the streams of water were formed after man.
After that, animals were created, to give man a helper.
Where does it say that animals were created after man.
The Old Testament verses aren't always aligned in chronological order. Depending on the context, an event may be first mentioned when it becomes relevant to the main subject of the overall account. That is what you see in Genesis 2:19 and in other verses/passages throughout the Bible. And that is why some translations properly apply a past participle to the verb "form" in Genesis 2:19.
Man names all the animals, but non fits him as a helper.
I don't remember it saying that man names all the animals.
In Genesis 1, people are created at the sixth day, after the rest of the world has been created. They are created men and women, after the image of G_d.
How does this contradict Genesis 2?
Very different timeline, very different story.
Only in your imagination. The Bible is bigger than you think.
Is one of these two versions false?
If one of them is false, how will I know which one to take as the absolute truth, and how can it be that there are lies in the book you say is factually true word by word?
Or are both something completely different than a factual report of how earth and it's inhabitants came to be?
False dichotomy. Both accounts are historically true as I've shown above.
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I hate to say this, but, it needs to be said for those of us who are religious skeptics. The Bible is a fairy tale put together by MEN to scare people to follow and give money to their beliefs. Every time I turn on the fucking tv, I see religious evangelists preaching and exhorting their followers to give and give muchly and deeply for their salvation to the church of the <insert name here>. If I'm going to hell, well, I'll be with a lot of my friends and we'll have a good time! :evillaugh:
I'm so sad for you that you think hell is something to be taken lightly. Also, those evangelists you see preaching on TV asking for money are not necessarily children of God. Do not judge God's Word by its professing believers.
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I never claimed he was. DO try to pay closer attention.
I know you didn't claim. Just saying it as a note/reminder. So DO try to pay better attention to the point I'm making.
The history written into rock formations is neither the testimony of man OR "god". They are observable evidence of the earth's history.
And what history do imagine it telling you? :hahaha:
In a sense, he has, so have astronomers who peer deep into the universe. Both looking at rocks and looking deep into the universe, allow us to look back in time.
In other words, God doesn't exist but scientists are gods. I see where you're going. ::)
Rocks, because they record the events at the time of their formation, and the universe, because the light has taken billions of years to get here, so we are in fact, looking back in time.
Who told you light has taken billions of years to get here? Your favorite gods?
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You are a king of strawman arguments, you know that?
Well I was simulating your "It's the word of God" logic and presented the problem that emerges. Funny how you say that... The point is you claim the Bible is the word of God, yet many others claim their holy text of their religion is the word of God too. Are they wrong? And how does one determine which is right or wrong? Don't you see the paradox here?
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I hate to say this, but, it needs to be said for those of us who are religious skeptics. The Bible is a fairy tale put together by MEN to scare people to follow and give money to their beliefs. Every time I turn on the fucking tv, I see religious evangelists preaching and exhorting their followers to give and give muchly and deeply for their salvation to the church of the <insert name here>. If I'm going to hell, well, I'll be with a lot of my friends and we'll have a good time! :evillaugh:
I'm so sad for you that you think hell is something to be taken lightly. Also, those evangelists you see preaching on TV asking for money are not necessarily children of God. Do not judge God's Word by its professing believers.
Don't be sad for me. If I'm wrong, so be it. But, to me, hell is here on Earth.
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I hate to say this, but, it needs to be said for those of us who are religious skeptics. The Bible is a fairy tale put together by MEN to scare people to follow and give money to their beliefs. Every time I turn on the fucking tv, I see religious evangelists preaching and exhorting their followers to give and give muchly and deeply for their salvation to the church of the <insert name here>. If I'm going to hell, well, I'll be with a lot of my friends and we'll have a good time! :evillaugh:
I'm so sad for you that you think hell is something to be taken lightly. Also, those evangelists you see preaching on TV asking for money are not necessarily children of God. Do not judge God's Word by its professing believers.
You're right.
We should ignore you. :thumbup:
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You are a king of strawman arguments, you know that?
Well I was simulating your "It's the word of God" logic and presented the problem that emerges. Funny how you say that... The point is you claim the Bible is the word of God, yet many others claim their holy text of their religion is the word of God too. Are they wrong? And how does one determine which is right or wrong? Don't you see the paradox here?
I told you to read God's Word yourself. Don't take what I, a human, say for granted. Just read His Word at least and then come ask me these questions again.
How can you argue against someone if you don't know what his own position/story/argument is? In this case, God's.
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I hate to say this, but, it needs to be said for those of us who are religious skeptics. The Bible is a fairy tale put together by MEN to scare people to follow and give money to their beliefs. Every time I turn on the fucking tv, I see religious evangelists preaching and exhorting their followers to give and give muchly and deeply for their salvation to the church of the <insert name here>. If I'm going to hell, well, I'll be with a lot of my friends and we'll have a good time! :evillaugh:
I'm so sad for you that you think hell is something to be taken lightly. Also, those evangelists you see preaching on TV asking for money are not necessarily children of God. Do not judge God's Word by its professing believers.
Don't be sad for me. If I'm wrong, so be it. But, to me, hell is here on Earth.
Are you currently burning in a lake of fire, with gritting teeth and constant groaning?
If not, you're not living hell at the moment. Hell is later after you die (if you continue to rebel against your God).
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I hate to say this, but, it needs to be said for those of us who are religious skeptics. The Bible is a fairy tale put together by MEN to scare people to follow and give money to their beliefs. Every time I turn on the fucking tv, I see religious evangelists preaching and exhorting their followers to give and give muchly and deeply for their salvation to the church of the <insert name here>. If I'm going to hell, well, I'll be with a lot of my friends and we'll have a good time! :evillaugh:
I'm so sad for you that you think hell is something to be taken lightly. Also, those evangelists you see preaching on TV asking for money are not necessarily children of God. Do not judge God's Word by its professing believers.
You're right.
We should ignore you. :thumbup:
Please do. After all, I'm a "Christfag", and, apparently, it is a bad thing to be a "fag" according to you atheists.
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Jesus was a fag. He gargled my cum.
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I hate to say this, but, it needs to be said for those of us who are religious skeptics. The Bible is a fairy tale put together by MEN to scare people to follow and give money to their beliefs. Every time I turn on the fucking tv, I see religious evangelists preaching and exhorting their followers to give and give muchly and deeply for their salvation to the church of the <insert name here>. If I'm going to hell, well, I'll be with a lot of my friends and we'll have a good time! :evillaugh:
I'm so sad for you that you think hell is something to be taken lightly. Also, those evangelists you see preaching on TV asking for money are not necessarily children of God. Do not judge God's Word by its professing believers.
You're right.
We should ignore you. :thumbup:
Please do. After all, I'm a "Christfag", and, apparently, it is a bad thing to be a "fag" according to you atheists.
Did I ever state I was an atheist? nope not at all.
And why are you relating an internet based insult toward a sexuality?
apparently, it is a bad thing to be a "fag" according to you atheists.
Don't think I can't read between the lines , we both know what venomous bigotry you are spewing here, and we both know this is down to your deluded religion. :thumbup:
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I hate to say this, but, it needs to be said for those of us who are religious skeptics. The Bible is a fairy tale put together by MEN to scare people to follow and give money to their beliefs. Every time I turn on the fucking tv, I see religious evangelists preaching and exhorting their followers to give and give muchly and deeply for their salvation to the church of the <insert name here>. If I'm going to hell, well, I'll be with a lot of my friends and we'll have a good time! :evillaugh:
I'm so sad for you that you think hell is something to be taken lightly. Also, those evangelists you see preaching on TV asking for money are not necessarily children of God. Do not judge God's Word by its professing believers.
Don't be sad for me. If I'm wrong, so be it. But, to me, hell is here on Earth.
Are you currently burning in a lake of fire, with gritting teeth and constant groaning?
If not, you're not living hell at the moment. Hell is later after you die (if you continue to rebel against your God).
You are entitled to your beliefs, as I am to mine. Nothing wrong with that. This is something important to you and I can respect that. :thumbup: Since we are not going to sway each others beliefs, my part in this discussion is over, see you around the rest of the forum. 8)
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Christians do NOT have Balls of Steel(TM). :orly: