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Arena for the Competitive => Main Event Callouts => Topic started by: odeon on September 26, 2011, 08:43:42 AM
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You wrote this, among other things:
I am not going to call it inappropriate to state that as an opinion, especially given some of what we post here for kicks, but I would consider it better argumentation for you to put some links, 2 or 3 would do, empirically backing your claim.
Well I am not going to, because it is the only honest way *I* feel, and the only honest reason why *I* will always ignore Odeon...and it is irrevocable...and I am not going to make up some bullshit you would prefer instead, but I am not interested in persuading anyone else to share that feeling with me.
Apart from the fact that most of you have a very different perspective on life to me (which is a factor in why you have such a solid group, that I will never be part of, after all), and see things, and people, a very different way to me...doomed to failure or not...striving to "prove" that Odeon is a negative of some kind in the heart of his own community would be a tacky thing to do.
Or, to put in very small simple words, I know you would love to have a row about this, because that is *your* way, but I wouldn't because it isn't *mine* , so that's not going to be able to happen.
...and this is probably where I should take my leave for another year or so. When I realised you could see me logged in to pm I didn't want to act like you all weren't even worth saying "Hi" to...because that is not how I feel...but I am so incompatible with the group here (and most of the planet too) that even saying "Hi" is such a minefield...I'd probably better not do it again.
Sorry about that...and I mean really sorry...
I'm a "negative"? Back it up instead of insulting me among the people I consider to be my friends.
I don't mind people disliking me or what I do, but enough guts and honesty to tell me why wouldn't hurt. You post about me, several times, but instead of telling me or others why, you tell us that you are not like that but you just *know*. After which you leave, like the sensitive little flower you are. a few surprise insults, then up and away for another year. That is just so *brave*.
And to top it, you hint that since it's my board, proving my negativeness would be tacky.
Laughable is also how you imply that if only I were as old and experienced as you are, I would agree that I'm such a negative force:
Was that a reply to MLA or to me? In any case, I'd say that you were being sensitive. It'll be interesting to see if you've grown a thicker one since.
I sincerely hope I haven't...
I ignore you because your whole attitude to life is cruelly misguided and bound to do someone who doesn't deserve it some serious damage some day, and whether it is deliberate on your part or not, it genuinely turns my stomach, to look at that - and it always will.
If you don't like that, it's your board, you can ban me for it, any time you like, but what you cannot do is get me to pretend to change who I am, and how I think to suit you. If you were really smart you might even recognise that I am older than you, and I have seen and experienced a lot more of life, and I might just have a point worth thinking about.
Only reason I can see you at all is because the board format has changed and I haven't found the ignore button...not yet.
It's understood that unless I agree with your bullshit, I'm simply not that smart.
It might not be how you work but if you are to visit again, I expect you to back up your words. I know, it might take another year, but I will remind you when that time comes, ignore or no ignore.
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I don't do "callouts" it's not my way (I have never even read any of them - they give me the creeps, I hate things like that) and I am not part of your community, nor do I ever seek to be, so I don't have to, do I?
That is non-negotiable, and there isn't much you can do about it.
(And I am only posting this here at all to teach anybody who actually opened a book with crippling odds based on the assumption that I would not reply at all a VERY serious lesson about making assumptions and taking bets on them ;) )
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Now that you are here, don't you think you should back up your claims? If you know you are right, what can go wrong? Shouldn't you contribute to help the world get rid of the all those negative forces?
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Oh, and it tells me something about your character when you see it fit to post here for a bet but not to back up your words.
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Wait, she's older than Odeon? Aren't both of you in your 40s?
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Wait, she's older than Odeon? Aren't both of you in your 40s?
How much is it worth to shut up before one of my boy toys hears you?
Take care of yourself Schleed...and if you ever need bailing out, it probably isn't worth asking me...
;)
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Wait, this isn't a Meadow sockpupet is it??
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Wait, she's older than Odeon? Aren't both of you in your 40s?
How much is it worth to shut up before one of my boy toys hears you?
Take care of yourself Schleed...and if you ever need bailing out, it probably isn't worth asking me...
;)
So if you're much older than him, that'd technically put you around 60.
Old biddy. :zoinks:
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So if you're much older than him, that'd technically put you around 60.
Old biddy. :zoinks:
Shhhhhhhhhh...
WICKED BOY!!! :dominatrix:
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Still can't back up any of your bullshit?
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Still can't back up any of your bullshit?
Sooner or later, you will just have to accept that there is no way you will ever be able to beat, or bully me into pretending to give you a false sense of absolution...if you want it that badly you will have to make it up all by yourself...shouldn't be too hard with so many people making up false accusations (including "exposing" me as people I have never even heard of - what is WITH that?) and trying to lynch me elsewhere (total coincidence, of course that you would pick such a time :angel: ) - all you have to do is piggyback on that, you don't need anything from me, so what is your problem?
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My problem is that you go out of your way to insult you but cannot prove anything, link to anything, or otherwise back up the bullshit.
BTW, paranoid much? I've pointed out in the elder's forum that if it ever comes to a vote about you, I will vote no. You are too sensitive. You need a protected environment, one with mods that can protect you.
It takes more than a PM, Mechanima. You actually need to back up your shit instead of another decade of blaming others.
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My problem is that you go out of your way to insult you but cannot prove anything, link to anything, or otherwise back up the bullshit.
BTW, paranoid much? I've pointed out in the elder's forum that if it ever comes to a vote about you, I will vote no. You are too sensitive. You need a protected environment, one with mods that can protect you.
It takes more than a PM, Mechanima. You actually need to back up your shit instead of another decade of blaming others.
Have you and the elder's forum had a discussion about how you are going to force me to want to be here, (or in ANY forum for that matter) yet?
(Take a look around, I don't "do" forums on social terms...only the impersonal political stuff, and there is no point in doing that here.)
Whatever you do, whatever you say, you are never going to be able to bully anyone into reacting to you the way you want them to...at best you can only force people to pretend...and I have no reason to...and nothing to gain by it.
...and as for evidence, for anyone with eyes to see, (or who gives enough of a damn to bother looking) you are just keeping that coming for me - why should I bother as well?
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As I've mentioned a couple of times now.... yet, here you are.
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As I've mentioned a couple of times now.... yet, here you are.
But as soon as you stop baiting me, or maybe even sooner, I will not be here, just the same way I am not usually here.
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As I've mentioned a couple of times now.... yet, here you are.
But as soon as you stop baiting me, or maybe even sooner, I will not be here, just the same way I am not usually here.
Not enough willpower?
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I am not part of your community,
Sure you are. :)
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I am not part of your community,
Sure you are. :)
No I am not Jack...not really...and I only mean that in the very most very matter of fact way too. Maybe you haven't noticed, but I am not usually actually around. :)
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I am not part of your community,
Sure you are. :)
No I am not Jack...not really...and I only mean that in the very most very matter of fact way too. Maybe you haven't noticed, but I am not usually actually around. :)
sure seems like it
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The lady doth protest too much. She spends more time here lately than I do.
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I am not part of your community,
Sure you are. :)
No I am not Jack...not really...and I only mean that in the very most very matter of fact way too. Maybe you haven't noticed, but I am not usually actually around. :)
So, we may feel free to ignore you without any hard feelings?
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I am not part of your community,
Sure you are. :)
No I am not Jack...not really...and I only mean that in the very most very matter of fact way too. Maybe you haven't noticed, but I am not usually actually around. :)
There's several who only stop by from time to time. They're contributing members of this community too.
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So, we may feel free to ignore you without any hard feelings?
Of course you can...probably best that way, I cannot imagine that I would even notice. I don't mean that to be funny it's just the way I am.
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I don't do "callouts" it's not my way (I have never even read any of them - they give me the creeps, I hate things like that)
Mechanima 23:14:17 Viewing the topic I call out Les.
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Mechanima 23:14:17 Viewing the topic I call out Les.
I may have had it open somehow but I don't recall reading a word of it.
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uh huh. And you're not reading this callout either. Or responding to it. Or participating on the forum . Or caring what people say. Or ignoring Odeon. Or LEAVING
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Mechanima 23:26:22 Viewing the topic Butterflies I think we have something to discuss.
did you accidentally click on that too ?
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I'm nearly about to call you out myself. Ive never read so much passive-aggressive bullshit in my life.
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I'm nearly about to call you out myself. Ive never read so much passive-aggressive bullshit in my life.
Eh, I've seen worse. But yes, you might as well call her out, it's the season for callout apparently.
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I would if I thought she would read it and actually reply to it in a meaningful way. Instead I think I'm going to point out every contradiction I can as I see them.
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I don't do "callouts" it's not my way (I have never even read any of them - they give me the creeps, I hate things like that) and I am not part of your community, nor do I ever seek to be, so I don't have to, do I?
That is non-negotiable, and there isn't much you can do about it.
(And I am only posting this here at all to teach anybody who actually opened a book with crippling odds based on the assumption that I would not reply at all a VERY serious lesson about making assumptions and taking bets on them ;) )
Actually I said what I said in order to bait you into this thread, and you came. Problem? :trollface:
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All that happened is that Odeon asked me if I still ignore him, and I told him that I do (I only saw his question because I had no idea how to set "ignore" on this new format).
Then he asked me, as he is perfectly entitled to do, why?
I gave him a vague answer, and he asked, again, as he is entitled to do, for specifics.
I answered him truthfully, as I am entitled to do.
He did not like my answer, as he is entitled to do, he responded by trying to find a way to force me to change my answer, which is about the way I feel, which he is not entitled to do, and, in so doing, not only confirmed my reasons for ignoring him, opened a whole can of worms about other things I do not feel comfortable with here that I would have preferred not to have mentioned.
Look back at my posting history...I have been a member quite some time, but I hardly ever post here, and when I do, I do not stay for long. The reason is very simple, I don't feel comfortable here, and my way of seeing life, and the world is very different to the way you want and choose to collectively see those things here.
The way I feel about Odeon will not change unless he does, the way I feel about the dynamic here will not change unless the dynamic does..and all the nastiness in the world will not make any difference to that...and I cannot honestly see why any of you thought it might.
I do not feel that entitles me to demand that you...plural, all of you, change your collective or individual mentalities to suit me better, that is why I never mentioned any of it before, but equally that does not entitled any or all of you to try and bludgeon me into pretending to change who I really am, and how I really feel to agree with you either.
There is a far better, fairer, answer which is that I stay away all the time, rather than just most of it. That is actually what I want to do, and from what people have said here, seems to be what those posting want too.
So, I am asking that this account be deleted (I have been trying to work out how to do this myself but it doesn't seem possible). I won't be back, I assume you will all find something more interesting to talk about eventually?
Goodbye
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uh huh. And you're not reading this callout either. Or responding to it. Or participating on the forum . Or caring what people say. Or ignoring Odeon. Or LEAVING
Yes, that's how I read it too.
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All that happened is that Odeon asked me if I still ignore him, and I told him that I do (I only saw his question because I had no idea how to set "ignore" on this new format).
Then he asked me, as he is perfectly entitled to do, why?
I gave him a vague answer, and he asked, again, as he is entitled to do, for specifics.
I answered him truthfully, as I am entitled to do.
Can I post your PM and let the others decide if you actually answered anything?
He did not like my answer, as he is entitled to do, he responded by trying to find a way to force me to change my answer, which is about the way I feel, which he is not entitled to do, and, in so doing, not only confirmed my reasons for ignoring him, opened a whole can of worms about other things I do not feel comfortable with here that I would have preferred not to have mentioned.
Do try to stick to the truth. When I replied in PM, you replied to it, saying that you didn't read any of it.
Look back at my posting history...I have been a member quite some time, but I hardly ever post here, and when I do, I do not stay for long. The reason is very simple, I don't feel comfortable here, and my way of seeing life, and the world is very different to the way you want and choose to collectively see those things here.
Yet here you are.
The way I feel about Odeon will not change unless he does, the way I feel about the dynamic here will not change unless the dynamic does..and all the nastiness in the world will not make any difference to that...and I cannot honestly see why any of you thought it might.
Let's see... you won't say why you think I'm a negative, harmful, etc, but unless I change, you won't change your opinion of me.
This makes about as much sense as your previous posting stating that you aren't here, you aren't posting in the callout, you aren't...
I do not feel that entitles me to demand that you...plural, all of you, change your collective or individual mentalities to suit me better, that is why I never mentioned any of it before, but equally that does not entitled any or all of you to try and bludgeon me into pretending to change who I really am, and how I really feel to agree with you either.
There is a far better, fairer, answer which is that I stay away all the time, rather than just most of it. That is actually what I want to do, and from what people have said here, seems to be what those posting want too.
So, I am asking that this account be deleted (I have been trying to work out how to do this myself but it doesn't seem possible). I won't be back, I assume you will all find something more interesting to talk about eventually?
Goodbye
Sure?
I'll gladly delete your account in a week's time (because those are the rules), but I think we all know that you will be back.
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Very simple way to resolve this conclusively. Delete this account, as I have requested, and see if I ever come back. Or are you too afraid of the truth? That I really will never come back.
(Just a friendly hint, basing the assumption that people "like you really" on their monitoring of your maligning and baiting of them is not usually a very accurate guide.)
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(Just a friendly hint, basing the assumption that people "like you really" on their monitoring of your maligning and baiting of them is not usually a very accurate guide.)
What fucking language was that? It looks like English :dunno:
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Very simple way to resolve this conclusively. Delete this account, as I have requested, and see if I ever come back. Or are you too afraid of the truth? That I really will never come back.
(Just a friendly hint, basing the assumption that people "like you really" on their monitoring of your maligning and baiting of them is not usually a very accurate guide.)
:LMAO:
As for hints, here's one for you: years of bitterness and self-pity does not equal "experience".
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I'll gladly delete your account in a week's time (because those are the rules), but I think we all know that you will be back.
Thank you, I will appreciate that account being deleted and would prefer it were immediate (and if the rules in question are your own I am certainly more than happy to waive them).
...and don't kid yourself. I won't be back, you do not have the kind of serious activism bias I go back anywhere else for.
I gave you the answer I did just because it has always been the only truth about why I ignore you, and it always will be, whether you like it or not, that is how I really feel. It has changed in the past day or so, only in that I feel more certain and convinced of it. You cannot tell other people what to feel. You cannot batter, bully, corner or con people into changing the way they feel and react either. The same way you cannot batter, bully, corner or con people into being someone they are not who would suit you better. I could not stop myself feeling and reacting to you the way I do if I wanted to, and I do not.
After this account has actually been deleted you have my permission to post whatever you like...but that would spoil you fun wouldn't it? Because all you really want is to try and find a way to use your friends to hurt and abuse me as much as possible, where I can see, because whether you like it or not, that is who you really are. But don't let it worry you, haven't you plenty of people around you to tell you how great you are for it?
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After this account has actually been deleted you have my permission to post whatever you like
:lol:
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In your answer, you actually didn't tell me anything. No reasons, nothing like that. You did reiterate your claims, but you didn't back them up.
If you treat others like that, you will not have that many left who will want to interact with you. Is this what you teach to your children? That no, you don't actually have to take responsibility when interacting with people, you can insult anyone who you don't like, for whatever reason, and never tell them why, and then blame the other whenever the poor sod tries to get some answers.
BTW: I'm going offline now. I'm assuming that just as before, you will not be here when I log on again?
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After this account has actually been deleted you have my permission to post whatever you like...but that would spoil you fun wouldn't it? Because all you really want is to try and find a way to use your friends to hurt and abuse me as much as possible, where I can see, because whether you like it or not, that is who you really are. But don't let it worry you, haven't you plenty of people around you to tell you how great you are for it?
Mechanima, I may have continued laughing with you and having some fun with you being coy and all that for fun, but coyness means shit here when it gets to the real serious stuff.
What are you accusing Odeon of exactly? You're making public accusations against him, so it's fair that you also give us your reasons for why you think he's abused you and been malicious with you or whatever. You owe an explanation not just to Odeon but to the members of the forum he's running. Spit it out and enough with the mind games. Otherwise, it'd be best to take back what you said and just leave (for your own sanity).
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What are you accusing Odeon of exactly?
Nothing...he asked me why I ignore him, and after he asked me a second time I gave him what was always the truthful answer...
...it is not an accusation, it is an honest account of how I really feel, and yes, I agree it means I do not fit in or belong here (and the more detail I went into the more I would not fit in or belong I can assure you).
...and yes, I agree with those who think I should not be on Odean's board feeling that way about him but I found myself in a bit of a tricky position where I had Odeon blocked for quite some time before I realised it was his board...and I just let it go and pretty much stayed away rather than bringing it all up, and that is all I ever intended to do.
Odeon pushed me for an answer, I gave the truthful one...and now it is out in the open the only reasonable thing to do is delete my account openly and you can go your ways and I can go mine.
What not reasonable is trying to force me to do the impossible and change what I feel instead.
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I believe there is no "meeting of minds" here. Why not? Both are intelligent?
I think thatthere is two drawbacks to such an endevour.
A want for Odeon to get some answers from Mechanima and a complete unwillingness of Mechanima to want to indulge Odeon or the board.
Secondly is that Mechanima has stated that she is feeling this or that but has not alluded to particular logical or concrete reasons, that Odeon wants.
Maybe what Mechanima "feels" is true for her and she doesn't feel obliged to defend it. Maybe she doesn't want to give it a qualifiable and quantifiable definition and it remains a "feeling" that she puts store in. Maybe past interactions just gave her a bad feel and she doesn't wish to logically or criticallly evaluate them. Maybe he should and maybe she shouldn't.
Odeon on the other hand seems more concerned with the specifics and addressing things unemotively. I do this too and can understand this form of thinking.
I maybe wrong in my assessment naturally, would not be the first time.
I think all of this means this callout will not get much more in depth than what we see now.
I think we have two people interested in communicating in different ways holding different values and who are not after the same things in their interactions with each other.
I don't think that either will ever see each other in the same way I see of them both and what I respect in both of them.
I think it is a shame.
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I think we have two people interested in communicating in different ways holding different values and who are not after the same things in their interactions with each other.
I don't think that either will ever see each other in the same way I see of them both and what I respect in both of them.
I think that absolutely nails the situation objectively.
There is nowhere to go with this and no resolution to be found.
I have totally different values to Odeon (and honestly, though I never wanted to bring it up, the ethos of this board), and the only way my real reaction to him will change is if he changes, and he certainly isn't going to do that, and I would not have a right or a wish to ask him to.
It was a mistake for me ever to join this board...and I should never have stayed, because my own values, belief system and choices are just too different...and so, inevitably, are my needs and reactions. I have never felt able to relax here, or be myself, for one single moment because of that.
...and I am never going to change either nor would I want to.
So the only real resolution is to delete my account as I have requested.
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I do not see Odeon in the way you see him nor as having questionable values in his interactions here but you do. I can no more show you what I see in him than show him what I see in you. I see value in this place that you don't and i would not seek to "prove that either". Part of this place that is central is backing your claim and you don't wish to. You don't wish to be here either. So it is not like it bears a necessity, I guess, to renounce your feelings or personal preferences or defend it.
It would answer in the minds a few big "whys" but that too you have said is noot a driving force for you.
I think basically Odeon feels that not giving a constructive logical account of what you feel that it comes across as vague and insincere. It is of course a logical possibility but it just is not in line with what I know of you.
I don't think it is wrong for him to ask or contest things. I see value in him asking but I think it is just not going to happen here and perhaps would not even take legs were it attempted.
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There is a hell of a lot more specifics than just a vague feeling in this statement from her:
your whole attitude to life is cruelly misguided and bound to do someone who doesn't deserve it some serious damage some day
I'm not asking for logic, I'm asking for why, what attitude, and I think I am entitled to it. A post, something I said, etc, that strengthens her argument. She plays the victim but she was the one insulting me, not the other way around.
The "victim" also lies. She says she gave me an actual answer in a PM:
He did not like my answer, as he is entitled to do, he responded by trying to find a way to force me to change my answer, which is about the way I feel, which he is not entitled to do, and, in so doing, not only confirmed my reasons for ignoring him, opened a whole can of worms about other things I do not feel comfortable with here that I would have preferred not to have mentioned.
She told me about her state of mind but no specifics on what I were supposed to have done, me and my "friends" (not specified, either).
I replied, addressing her PM, and she replied with this:
Not interested in reading a word of that.
In other words, either she read it and lied to me, or she didn't and she lied to you all, above. Why she did that is anyone's interpretation but I suspect she did it to play the victim, in both cases.
She is not all that unlike EquiiSavant or Meadow, methinks.
She says how she is leaving and how she doesn't have the gang mentality or inclination to participate on any board, but she is not above snide comments such as this:
After this account has actually been deleted you have my permission to post whatever you like...but that would spoil you fun wouldn't it? Because all you really want is to try and find a way to use your friends to hurt and abuse me as much as possible, where I can see, because whether you like it or not, that is who you really are. But don't let it worry you, haven't you plenty of people around you to tell you how great you are for it?
Or how about this one?
(Just a friendly hint, basing the assumption that people "like you really" on their monitoring of your maligning and baiting of them is not usually a very accurate guide.)
Nothing friendly about it, is there, not when you put it in context. All this while said "victim" has loudly left the board, time and again.
I don't mind people for not liking me and saying so. It's not callout-worthy, it's an opinion, and it's fine. But it's also quite different from simply insulting me without any good cause, accusing me of attitudes and actions I don't recognise (and that some regulars claim not to recognise either) and implying that if I were smart enough or had the necessary experience, I would be bound to realise that she was right.
That is callout-worthy, especially here.
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That is callout-worthy, especially here.
Perhaps...
But it is not response-worthy - to me - and I am rather afraid you are stuck with that.
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That is callout-worthy, especially here.
Perhaps...
But it is not response-worthy - to me - and I am rather afraid you are stuck with that.
Passive-aggressive much? Here you are, reading and replying. Didn't you say you weren't interested in callouts?
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I assume you realise by now that every time you reply with more passive-aggressive drivel instead of addressing my points, you lose. Not the callout, because I believe you lost that one already, but the remains of your credibility.
Don't you think that it would be better for your health to leave without a further word?
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I do not see Odeon in the way you see him nor as having questionable values in his interactions here but you do. I can no more show you what I see in him than show him what I see in you.
Exactly, and I can only react to what I see, in terms of who I am and my values, and nobody has the right to question that in anyone.
I see value in this place that you don't and i would not seek to "prove that either".
Perhaps the truth is that there can be value in most places for some people and not, or the opposite, for others...and if that is the truth they are all telling, neither is wrong. You could say the same about football.
Part of this place that is central is backing your claim and you don't wish to.
Now that is where you are going a bit wrong, because I did not make any claim, I just answered a question that was asked twice honestly. The trouble with asking questions is that once you ask them you don't have much choice but accept that the answer you get, rather than the answer you want *IS* the actual answer.
The only thing that backs a feeling is the feeling itself, and if nearly two years of scripted ignoring does not show some form of abhorrence I am all out of ideas for what else might.
You don't wish to be here either. So it is not like it bears a necessity, I guess, to renounce your feelings or personal preferences or defend it.
I don't think anyone can renounce their feelings or preferences, they can only pretend, which is why it's ridiculous to ask them to defend them at all
It would answer in the minds a few big "whys" but that too you have said is noot a driving force for you.
I think basically Odeon feels that not giving a constructive logical account of what you feel that it comes across as vague and insincere. It is of course a logical possibility but it just is not in line with what I know of you.
I have very sincerely found him abhorrent for at least 18 months, probably two years...that doesn't look vague to me, and if it was insincere why would I ignore him for so long without even bothering to say why?
I know that is not something that can be repaired or reversed...and don't forget, he can't stand me either...so it's not like anyone's heart is getting a broken heart now, is it?
I don't think it is wrong for him to ask or contest things. I see value in him asking but I think it is just not going to happen here and perhaps would not even take legs were it attempted.
I don't think it is wrong of him to ask, I think it's a pretty obvious thing for him to do. The way he is going about it is just what I would have expected of him, which is also a pretty obvious thing to happen.
But there is nowhere constructive or useful to go with this.
The bottom line is this:
Odeon thinks hurting people for kicks is ok, even constructive in some way I have no wish to understand.
I feel hurting people for kicks goes a long way past loathesome whatever excuse is used.
...and everything else here is just windowdressing...
So best I go on my way without being a spoilsport about the next time Odeon thinks it would be fun to rip pieces off someone when he thinks they are vulnerable, and everyone can tell him how wonderful and exceptional that makes him...
HAPPY ENDING FOR ALL.
What is so wrong with that?
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I assume you realise by now that every time you reply with more passive-aggressive drivel instead of addressing my points, you lose. Not the callout, because I believe you lost that one already, but the remains of your credibility.
Has it ever crossed your mind that considering the ethos here I might not actually want, or even care to have any credibility here?
Don't you think that it would be better for your health to leave without a further word?
What are you threatening me with?
Physical violence?
Do you know how to find me?
Can you afford the time and the money to get here?
Would you like to wait at the main road until I can get there and you can follow me down - usually better than driving round in circles?
::)
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wat
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Another gem from the "victim" who first says that she's claimed nothing, simply answered a question, and then says this:
Odeon thinks hurting people for kicks is ok, even constructive in some way I have no wish to understand.
I feel hurting people for kicks goes a long way past loathesome whatever excuse is used.
I'm sure she'd deny this if she was still here. :P
Oh, but she is:
I assume you realise by now that every time you reply with more passive-aggressive drivel instead of addressing my points, you lose. Not the callout, because I believe you lost that one already, but the remains of your credibility.
Has it ever crossed your mind that considering the ethos here I might not actually want, or even care to have any credibility here?
Don't you think that it would be better for your health to leave without a further word?
What are you threatening me with?
Physical violence?
Do you know how to find me?
Can you afford the time and the money to get here?
Would you like to wait at the main road until I can get there and you can follow me down - usually better than driving round in circles?
::)
I think it is you who mentioned that this place is not good for your health. But it suits your role as a victim to interpret my comment as a threat of violence, just as it suits you better to lie about me in other contexts.
Well done.
As for your credibility, has it crossed your mind that quite a few of the people who post here also post elsewhere? Silly woman, did you honestly think I implied that you had any left here?
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That is callout-worthy, especially here.
Perhaps...
But it is not response-worthy - to me - and I am rather afraid you are stuck with that.
I believe you have responded at least 11 times so far. Not well, but certainly responded (reacted).
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Another gem from the "victim" who first says that she's claimed nothing, simply answered a question, and then says this:
Odeon thinks hurting people for kicks is ok, even constructive in some way I have no wish to understand.
I feel hurting people for kicks goes a long way past loathesome whatever excuse is used.
I'm sure she'd deny this if she was still here. :P
Oh, but she is:
But you do think hurting people for kicks is ok, so why not stop acting as though you are ashamed of it, just take responsibility for it, *OWN* it with pride you truly feel in it.
Then we can agree to differ...and you can delete my account and stop dedicating so much of your valuable time to baiting me.
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Ah, another passive-aggressive attack. Not for a moment did I think you would leave.
Here's an old comment by you:
Well if this situation with Aspire continues you are all welcome to watch me back up my words with actions, when the time comes, as I always do.
I take it you've abandoned that principle since?
Speaking of age and experience, here's another quote from that same post:
I'm 52 and in all those years I'll bet you I have "had the bottle for" things you don't have the bottle to have nightmares about, but I do not regard standing around so people can bully you as "bottle" it's just self-harming stupidity.
Yet, here you are.
And here's another, about me unlocking that thread (the one you briefly reopened to snipe at us):
If Odeon had respected my locking of the thread, instead of reopening it, to snipe. It would probably all be over.
It wouldn't have been over because the discussion continued in a thread you couldn't lock and then, just as now, you didn't leave.
I think you like this whole victim thing. I think it gives you a feeling of entitlement and righteousness.
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Not for a moment did I think you would leave.
But only because you have been denying the truth to yourself that I already left, in every real sense, a long time ago...
Is that an important factor in convincing yourself that the "everybody" agrees with your view that it is perfectly ok to amuse yourself by hurting people when you can see that they are vulnerable?
Do you take it as far as convincing yourself that they are volunteers who really want you to hurt them, and even love you for it?
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Not for a moment did I think you would leave.
But only because you have been denying the truth to yourself that I already left, in every real sense, a long time ago...
Is that an important factor in convincing yourself that the "everybody" agrees with your view that it is perfectly ok to amuse yourself by hurting people when you can see that they are vulnerable?
Do you take it as far as convincing yourself that they are volunteers who really want you to hurt them, and even love you for it?
Are you still here? :yawn:
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Mechanima please do not take this as attacking you or etc.
Why do you continue posting if you wish to leave and why do you keep responding to Odeon's baiting?
If someone is baiting , why give them what they want I.e a response?
I'm curious about all of this , I have no view of what went on between you and odeon and what is currently going on. :dunno:
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Unless you are trolling, there is little point staying here. If you don't like us, then that's fine by me. However, perhaps it's best to leave rather than bitch and moan about how we're all cunts.
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Not for a moment did I think you would leave.
But only because you have been denying the truth to yourself that I already left, in every real sense, a long time ago...
Only your body is here, then? That could certainly explain why you're posting out of your arse.
Is that an important factor in convincing yourself that the "everybody" agrees with your view that it is perfectly ok to amuse yourself by hurting people when you can see that they are vulnerable?
"Hit me! Hit me again!"
You were forced to stay, I'm sure.
Do you take it as far as convincing yourself that they are volunteers who really want you to hurt them, and even love you for it?
You tell me. I'm not playing the victim here.
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So, I am asking that this account be deleted
Goodbye
Goodbye, Mechanima.
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Mechanima please do not take this as attacking you or etc.
I honestly don't see how anyone could Sea Tart :)
Why do you continue posting if you wish to leave and why do you keep responding to Odeon's baiting?
If someone is baiting , why give them what they want I.e a response?
I'm curious about all of this , I have no view of what went on between you and odeon and what is currently going on. :dunno:
I think your curiosity is genuine, and your question is valid, but I am not comfortable enough to answer it in the open so could I pm you?
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You tell me. I'm not playing the victim here.
Almost everything you are is a lie you live within yourself, the only time any part of your reality appears is when you project it onto someone else as a misdirect.
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Goodbye, Mechanima.
Goodbye Jack
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PROTIP: Deleting posts is futile, considering web caches and people quoting your posts makes it impossible to hide everything. :zoinks:
Thought I'd mention that seeing Mechanima is trying to cover her tracks by DELETING FUCKING EVERYTHING lol.
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PROTIP: Deleting posts is futile, considering web caches and people quoting your posts makes it impossible to hide everything. :zoinks:
Thought I'd mention that seeing Mechanima is trying to cover her tracks by DELETING FUCKING EVERYTHING lol.
Assume really does always "Make and ass out of you and me" - just deleting all posts to remove myself as a prelude to this account being deleted...and, of course, any trace of the kind of insignificant personal details vicious people like to trawl for ways to hurt and trigger distress.
Done now.
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PROTIP: Deleting posts is futile, considering web caches and people quoting your posts makes it impossible to hide everything. :zoinks:
Thought I'd mention that seeing Mechanima is trying to cover her tracks by DELETING FUCKING EVERYTHING lol.
Assume really does always "Make and ass out of you and me" - just deleting all posts to remove myself as a prelude to this account being deleted...and, of course, any trace of the kind of insignificant personal details vicious people like to trawl for ways to hurt and trigger distress.
Done now.
Passive aggressive again are we? Give it up, you're terrible at it.
I'm only targeting you because you're beating around the bush too much, and frankly, you also appear severely butthurt by deleting everything too.
I bet you just can't resist to reply to this in your passive aggressive swiping yet again. :zoinks:
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lol, I see you replying. Seriously you're starting to set a world record for the longest "I'M LEAVING" exit ever.
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Passive aggressive again are we? Give it up, you're terrible at it.
I'm only targeting you because you're beating around the bush too much, and frankly, you also appear severely butthurt by deleting everything too.
I bet you just can't resist to reply to this in your passive aggressive swiping yet again. :zoinks:
I don't see how i could be called "beating around the bush at all". I have been very clear about my abhorrence for Odean and my wish that this account be deleted. It is just a sensible precaution to delete all posts before I lose control of the ability to do do, and you were reading far to much into it,
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Mechanima. Deep breath. Let it out. Another deep breath. Breathe out slowly. Now walk away from the computer.
I understand the dislike for Odeon and his peculiar butthurt indifference to emotion, believe me I do, but it ain't worth it.
:asthing:
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Thanks, and I know you are right, but I had to make sure everything is deleted,while I still can then I have to see if I can find a way to hack the delete button so I can get out.
Thank You
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Whyyyyyy? Can people here honestly hurt you that badly?
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Whyyyyyy? Can people here honestly hurt you that badly?
Now there is a trick question that was not intended to be if ever I saw one :)
Some people here have honestly hurt and harmed me that badly, and got a lot of fun out of doing it which tell me a lot about who they are, and everything I need to know about whether I wish to associate with them.
This is their world...and I want out. Must scripts can be hacked at least enough to remove an account, so I want to do that.
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Thanks, and I know you are right, but I had to make sure everything is deleted,while I still can then I have to see if I can find a way to hack the delete button so I can get out.
Thank You
There's no reason to hack the delete button. We can delete your account for you in a week if that's what you want.
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Why not just delete her immediately if she's desperate for it to happen?
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There's no reason to hack the delete button. We can delete your account for you in a week if that's what you want.
To be honest with you Callaway, I want it deleted and over with now, not in a week's time...and hacking a delete button so I can do it myself is absolutely harmless, and otherwise, often, very easy...so that's what I will do if I can and bring the feeding frenzy to a halt right way.
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Whyyyyyy? Can people here honestly hurt you that badly?
Now there is a trick question that was not intended to be if ever I saw one :)
:heart: :ner:
But it's a well-meaning one. I actually agree with a lot of your POV. But I think you're being a selfish ass about deleting the advocacy stuff. Some things are more important than personal hurt, and giving people a voice is one of them.
I am right now attempting to get Socrates back on the forum, because that bitchqueen Palmatier is STILL throwing legal bullshit at him, for no reason other than personal vindication, because he sure doesn't have the money to pay her off. Sites like this may leave open the risk of harm, but they do a lot of good too. We here are not the enemy.
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Why not just delete her immediately if she's desperate for it to happen?
The reason for the waiting period is that in the past there have been people who deleted their accounts in a fit of anger, then came back in the next day or two regretting the deletion and looking for us to fix it for them. We can make a new account in the old name for them, but their PMs disappear and their old posts revert to guest posts, which makes using the search feature more difficult and they can't edit their old posts anymore.
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Why not just delete her immediately if she's desperate for it to happen?
Thank you, that seems pretty obvious to me....
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:heart: :ner:
But it's a well-meaning one. I actually agree with a lot of your POV. But I think you're being a selfish ass about deleting the advocacy stuff. Some things are more important than personal hurt, and giving people a voice is one of them.
I know it was well meaning :) But deleting the advocacy posts was not about personal hurt, none of it was, except to prevent personal detail being studied and abused to hurt me in the here and now...the advocacy stuff (which is duplicated all over the place) because otherwise I would lose control of the context and that has always been a disaster in the past...besides, Odeon and his friends went to so much trouble to discredit my integrity as a human being and an activist that I was a bit horrified there were so many here at all where they could easily have the opposite effect through being villified and mocked. Best to just take them down while I could.
I am right now attempting to get Socrates back on the forum, because that bitchqueen Palmatier is STILL throwing legal bullshit at him, for no reason other than personal vindication, because he sure doesn't have the money to pay her off. Sites like this may leave open the risk of harm, but they do a lot of good too. We here are not the enemy.
It is on a far deeper, more personal level that this site is *my* adversary.
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Why not just delete her immediately if she's desperate for it to happen?
Thank you, that seems pretty obvious to me....
The one week wait is how it is done here. You have stated that you have no intention of changing anything to fit in here. If you won't bend for this site, why should this site deviate from its standards for you?
If pettiness, i.e. deleting posts, is how we relate than what is good for the goose is good for the gander. All you need to do is delete the remaining posts from your account and leave. I can't think of any reason odeon should take extraordinary measures to make you happy. Shake the dirt off your shoes and go elsewhere to pat yourself on the back.
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aiting period is that in the past there have been people who deleted their accounts in a fit of anger, then came back in the next day or two regretting the deletion and looking for us to fix it for them. We can make a new account in the old name for them, but their PMs disappear and their old posts revert to guest posts, which makes using the search feature more difficult and they can't edit their old posts anymore.
This is not a fit of anger Callaway, nor a decision I could regret. My only honest regret is joining here at all because it's the worst, most incompatible place possible for me.
I just want out, so I can draw a line under the whole horrible business, and I won't relax until I am out, and I will keep looking for that delete hack.
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Why not just delete her immediately if she's desperate for it to happen?
Thank you, that seems pretty obvious to me....
The one week wait is how it is done here. You have stated that you have no intention of changing anything to fit in here. If you won't bend for this site, why should this site deviate from its standards for you?
If pettiness, i.e. deleting posts, is how we relate than what is good for the goose is good for the gander. All you need to do is delete the remaining posts from your account and leave. I can't think of any reason odeon should take extraordinary measures to make you happy. Shake the dirt off your shoes and go elsewhere to pat yourself on the back.
Or I could work out how to hack the account delete myself...which is all I intend to do.
I have no reason to trust this site not to abuse my posts, as it already has to an extent, so it is only sensible for me to delete them while I have control to do so.
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Threatening to hack the site if you don't get your way? I wasn't buying your argument that older = wiser the first time I read it. That ^^^ kind of juvenile fit of pique confirms my initial assessment. I am done in this thread. Enjoy the last word.
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Threatening to hack the site if you don't get your way? I wasn't buying your argument that older = wiser the first time I read it. That ^^^ kind of juvenile fit of pique confirms my initial assessment. I am done in this thread. Enjoy the last word.
She really loves the last word too, otherwise she would have fucked off by now.
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Threatening to hack the site if you don't get your way? I wasn't buying your argument that older = wiser the first time I read it. That ^^^ kind of juvenile fit of pique confirms my initial assessment. I am done in this thread. Enjoy the last word.
No, I am just trying to find a way to hack the disabled account delete button so I can delete my own account, now and have the whole nasty business over with and forgotten for good.
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She really loves the last word too, otherwise she would have fucked off by now.
...or I could have much more definately, and permanently "fucked off by now" if someone would delete the account.
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Threatening to hack the site if you don't get your way? I wasn't buying your argument that older = wiser the first time I read it. That ^^^ kind of juvenile fit of pique confirms my initial assessment. I am done in this thread. Enjoy the last word.
No, I am just trying to find a way to hack the disabled account delete button so I can delete my own account, now and have the whole nasty business over with and forgotten for good.
It's not as easy as you make it sound, though.
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It's not as easy as you make it sound, though.
Sometimes it actually is as easy as a simple, disabled link...I'll just keep trying till I am out now.
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You're trying to hack the site ? ... wow
why would you tell on yourself ?
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You're trying to hack the site ? ... wow
why would you tell on yourself ?
Because I am not trying to hack the site, just the disables account delete button so I can delete my own account and forget the whole nasty business..
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good luck with that because you are now banned.
Protip: Not a clever move to threaten hacking the site.
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Mechanima. Deep breath. Let it out. Another deep breath. Breathe out slowly. Now walk away from the computer.
I understand the dislike for Odeon and his peculiar butthurt indifference to emotion, believe me I do, but it ain't worth it.
:asthing:
???
I know you don't like me, but I don't really get this one.
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good luck with that because you are now banned.
Protip: Not a clever move to threaten hacking the site.
lol, but it's kind of late now, she deleted almost everything. However anything quoted shall remain forever available to read. :zoinks:
But I have a question though, when she deleted her posts, did they get archived in the Admin's bin forum first? IIRC posts are not deleted but stored in a private forum where an admin can then erase them.
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good luck with that because you are now banned.
Protip: Not a clever move to threaten hacking the site.
lol, but it's kind of late now, she deleted almost everything. However anything quoted shall remain forever available to read. :zoinks:
But I have a question though, when she deleted her posts, did they get archived in the Admin's bin forum first? IIRC posts are not deleted but stored in a private forum where an admin can then erase them.
Yes, they are all there.
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I should probably add that there is a good reason to the trashcan. If something like this happens on a large board and there is no safety net, the post counts tend to become a mess, resulting in a board that can't be read because the indexes will be wrong.
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I can't believe this thread.
She clearly needed to play the victim, and so i suppose there
had to be a perpetrator! I think Odeon was just in the wrong
place at the wrong time, it could have been anyone.
We are all going to think now "that mean, nasty, Odeon" lol
OF COURSE NOT! I actually think Odeon handled the situation
quite well. I am not sure if i could have been so composed had
someone come here and rubbished my integrity and views on
life.
I just think it's crazy - she is not a stupid woman, you can tell that
from her posts. She is just very very mistaken.
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She's deleted most of her past posts now, but this is pretty much how she was before.
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Mechanima please do not take this as attacking you or etc.
I honestly don't see how anyone could Sea Tart :)
Why do you continue posting if you wish to leave and why do you keep responding to Odeon's baiting?
If someone is baiting , why give them what they want I.e a response?
I'm curious about all of this , I have no view of what went on between you and odeon and what is currently going on. :dunno:
I think your curiosity is genuine, and your question is valid, but I am not comfortable enough to answer it in the open so could I pm you?
Sure thing , sorry for not responding sooner. :)
Edit: whoops , really need to read before I post. :laugh:
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PROTIP: Deleting posts is futile, considering web caches and people quoting your posts makes it impossible to hide everything. :zoinks:
Thought I'd mention that seeing Mechanima is trying to cover her tracks by DELETING FUCKING EVERYTHING lol.
Assume really does always "Make and ass out of you and me" - just deleting all posts to remove myself as a prelude to this account being deleted...and, of course, any trace of the kind of insignificant personal details vicious people like to trawl for ways to hurt and trigger distress.
Done now.
Too bad so many of those personal details were quoted before you had a chance to delete them :(
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I'm nearly about to call you out myself. Ive never read so much passive-aggressive bullshit in my life.
:agreed:
But it doesn't make me want to call her out, it makes me want to :yawn: .
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good luck with that because you are now banned.
Protip: Not a clever move to threaten hacking the site.
lol, but it's kind of late now, she deleted almost everything. However anything quoted shall remain forever available to read. :zoinks:
But I have a question though, when she deleted her posts, did they get archived in the Admin's bin forum first? IIRC posts are not deleted but stored in a private forum where an admin can then erase them.
Yes, they are all there.
You could restore all those posts you know. :zoinks:
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good luck with that because you are now banned.
Protip: Not a clever move to threaten hacking the site.
lol, but it's kind of late now, she deleted almost everything. However anything quoted shall remain forever available to read. :zoinks:
But I have a question though, when she deleted her posts, did they get archived in the Admin's bin forum first? IIRC posts are not deleted but stored in a private forum where an admin can then erase them.
Yes, they are all there.
You could restore all those posts you know. :zoinks:
I'm tempted, you know.
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good luck with that because you are now banned.
Protip: Not a clever move to threaten hacking the site.
lol, but it's kind of late now, she deleted almost everything. However anything quoted shall remain forever available to read. :zoinks:
But I have a question though, when she deleted her posts, did they get archived in the Admin's bin forum first? IIRC posts are not deleted but stored in a private forum where an admin can then erase them.
Yes, they are all there.
You could restore all those posts you know. :zoinks:
I'm tempted, you know.
Don't do it!
Don't do it!
Don't do it!
You know it will tweak her tail. And you don't want to do that. Do you? :zoinks:
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She'd love that, I think. She likes playing the victim.
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:lol:
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I understand the dislike for Odeon and his peculiar butthurt indifference to emotion, believe me I do, but it ain't worth it.
:asthing:
???
I know you don't like me, but I don't really get this one.
I've gotten into too many fights with people who think that the first person to show emotion is the loser. Now I just see that tactic, of escalating bullshit under the thin veneer of logical control and a big heaping dose of contempt, as yet another face of butthurt.
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I understand the dislike for Odeon and his peculiar butthurt indifference to emotion, believe me I do, but it ain't worth it.
:asthing:
???
I know you don't like me, but I don't really get this one.
I've gotten into too many fights with people who think that the first person to show emotion is the loser. Now I just see that tactic, of escalating bullshit under the thin veneer of logical control and a big heaping dose of contempt, as yet another face of butthurt.
That's bullshit talk. It looks more like Mechanima has some psychological issues that Odeon is not responsible for in any way. As Bodie said, it could've been anyone - not just Odeon.
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I understand the dislike for Odeon and his peculiar butthurt indifference to emotion, believe me I do, but it ain't worth it.
:asthing:
???
I know you don't like me, but I don't really get this one.
I've gotten into too many fights with people who think that the first person to show emotion is the loser. Now I just see that tactic, of escalating bullshit under the thin veneer of logical control and a big heaping dose of contempt, as yet another face of butthurt.
That's bullshit talk. It looks more like Mechanima has some psychological issues that Odeon is not responsible for in any way. As Bodie said, it could've been anyone - not just Odeon.
It didn't make any sense to me either.
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That's bullshit talk. It looks more like Mechanima has some psychological issues that Odeon is not responsible for in any way. As Bodie said, it could've been anyone - not just Odeon.
Huh? Odeon's the one who started the callout. Because what, Mechanima was ignoring him?
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That's bullshit talk. It looks more like Mechanima has some psychological issues that Odeon is not responsible for in any way. As Bodie said, it could've been anyone - not just Odeon.
Huh? Odeon's the one who started the callout. Because what, Mechanima was ignoring him?
I thought it was about the fact she made allegations of his character that sparked the callout. ???
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What thread did it originate from? All I've seen is what was in the first post of the callout.
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That's bullshit talk. It looks more like Mechanima has some psychological issues that Odeon is not responsible for in any way. As Bodie said, it could've been anyone - not just Odeon.
Huh? Odeon's the one who started the callout. Because what, Mechanima was ignoring him?
Odeon didn't call Mechanima out for ignoring him, it was for diaparaging his character and calling him, among other things, a "negative of some kind in the heart of his own community." He laid out the reasons that he called her out here:
You wrote this, among other things:
I am not going to call it inappropriate to state that as an opinion, especially given some of what we post here for kicks, but I would consider it better argumentation for you to put some links, 2 or 3 would do, empirically backing your claim.
Well I am not going to, because it is the only honest way *I* feel, and the only honest reason why *I* will always ignore Odeon...and it is irrevocable...and I am not going to make up some bullshit you would prefer instead, but I am not interested in persuading anyone else to share that feeling with me.
Apart from the fact that most of you have a very different perspective on life to me (which is a factor in why you have such a solid group, that I will never be part of, after all), and see things, and people, a very different way to me...doomed to failure or not...striving to "prove" that Odeon is a negative of some kind in the heart of his own community would be a tacky thing to do.
Or, to put in very small simple words, I know you would love to have a row about this, because that is *your* way, but I wouldn't because it isn't *mine* , so that's not going to be able to happen.
...and this is probably where I should take my leave for another year or so. When I realised you could see me logged in to pm I didn't want to act like you all weren't even worth saying "Hi" to...because that is not how I feel...but I am so incompatible with the group here (and most of the planet too) that even saying "Hi" is such a minefield...I'd probably better not do it again.
Sorry about that...and I mean really sorry...
I'm a "negative"? Back it up instead of insulting me among the people I consider to be my friends.
I don't mind people disliking me or what I do, but enough guts and honesty to tell me why wouldn't hurt. You post about me, several times, but instead of telling me or others why, you tell us that you are not like that but you just *know*. After which you leave, like the sensitive little flower you are. a few surprise insults, then up and away for another year. That is just so *brave*.
And to top it, you hint that since it's my board, proving my negativeness would be tacky.
Laughable is also how you imply that if only I were as old and experienced as you are, I would agree that I'm such a negative force:
Was that a reply to MLA or to me? In any case, I'd say that you were being sensitive. It'll be interesting to see if you've grown a thicker one since.
I sincerely hope I haven't...
I ignore you because your whole attitude to life is cruelly misguided and bound to do someone who doesn't deserve it some serious damage some day, and whether it is deliberate on your part or not, it genuinely turns my stomach, to look at that - and it always will.
If you don't like that, it's your board, you can ban me for it, any time you like, but what you cannot do is get me to pretend to change who I am, and how I think to suit you. If you were really smart you might even recognise that I am older than you, and I have seen and experienced a lot more of life, and I might just have a point worth thinking about.
Only reason I can see you at all is because the board format has changed and I haven't found the ignore button...not yet.
It's understood that unless I agree with your bullshit, I'm simply not that smart.
It might not be how you work but if you are to visit again, I expect you to back up your words. I know, it might take another year, but I will remind you when that time comes, ignore or no ignore.
He wanted her to explain where or how she got that view of him.
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What thread did it originate from? All I've seen is what was in the first post of the callout.
Here's part of it in the Away Back thread:
http://www.intensitysquared.com/index.php/topic,1801.msg814802.html#msg814802 (http://www.intensitysquared.com/index.php/topic,1801.msg814802.html#msg814802)
http://www.intensitysquared.com/index.php/topic,1801.msg814770.html#msg814770 (http://www.intensitysquared.com/index.php/topic,1801.msg814770.html#msg814770)
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Wow... it started with an argument about who held responsibility when a spaz had a meltdown.
Then as far as I can tell without seeing Mechanima's deleted posts, she showed up and said hi to people in general, Odeon asked if she was still ignoring him ("still"? what happened in the past?) and everything went downhill from there.
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Wow... it started with an argument about who held responsibility when a spaz had a meltdown.
Then as far as I can tell without seeing Mechanima's deleted posts, she showed up and said hi to people in general, Odeon asked if she was still ignoring him ("still"? what happened in the past?) and everything went downhill from there.
I think that it might have started when she posted about her problems with Aspire and McJagger asked her if she thought that she was obsessing over it and Odeon agreed with that assessment, but it also could have started earlier.
I still like her and wish her well. I think that it is normal to kind of obsess over a lawsuit when someone is suing you.
I wish she had accepted that her account would have been deleted in a week and hadn't threatened to hack the site to find a delete button, though.
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To be fair Pyraxis, if she did the same to me I'd also call her out. I'm pretty sure most people in general like to see justification rather than someone playing the victim and not giving any real reason for it. Regardless of what Odeon said, it was herself who escalated it. She could have easily left without this drama if she felt like this place was not for her.
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She wasn't just saying hi to people in general. She was being very passive-agressive, pretending to be nice while always implying that she did not care and was not affected by what they said and that she was above this place and everyone in it.
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She wasn't just saying hi to people in general. She was being very passive-agressive, pretending to be nice while always implying that she did not care and was not affected by what they said and that she was above this place and everyone in it.
Why yes, she was so "not affected by us" she had to reply to everything said about her to get the last word. :zoinks:
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To be fair Pyraxis, if she did the same to me I'd also call her out.
Yeah me too. Ozymandias used to pull that kind of crap with me. I wanted to know the context.
Regardless of what Odeon said, it was herself who escalated it.
I am really really sick of seeing the blame for fights get heaped all on one side or all on the other, depending on the social group that's currently present. It's ridiculously inaccurate, but people feed on each other and get convinced they must be in the right because it's so much more comfortable to think that way.
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Still quite newish here. Never been in a 'callout' Not really sure
what my expectations of them should be either.
I would be really grateful if anyone can link me to 'a really good callout'
I have read some, but would be grateful to learn what others think
a good one involves.
(maybe should have started a new thread 'your favourite callout's please')
I think it would help not only myself, but others that are still newish here.
:cbc: i just like that smiley
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I am really really sick of seeing the blame for fights get heaped all on one side or all on the other, depending on the social group that's currently present. It's ridiculously inaccurate, but people feed on each other and get convinced they must be in the right because it's so much more comfortable to think that way.
To me, it isn't a matter of who's right and who's wrong. It's a matter of being fair. And I think most of us here were trying to be as fair as can be with Mechanima. I know I was.
Unfortunately, she seems to be living in her own reality and unable to fathom our own collective perspective on this.
If someone makes a wild accusation against you, publicly accusing you of being abusive and hurtful to that person and holding you in some vague negative light, and not wanting to provide any explanation whatsoever, how would you have reacted, Pyraxis (regardless of how you personally feel about Odeon)?
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It all began here I'd say:
http://www.intensitysquared.com/index.php/topic,13503.0.html (http://www.intensitysquared.com/index.php/topic,13503.0.html)
This entire 'feud' (if that's the right word for this). Since it's locked, I can't bump it.
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To be fair Pyraxis, if she did the same to me I'd also call her out.
Yeah me too. Ozymandias used to pull that kind of crap with me. I wanted to know the context.
Regardless of what Odeon said, it was herself who escalated it.
I am really really sick of seeing the blame for fights get heaped all on one side or all on the other, depending on the social group that's currently present. It's ridiculously inaccurate, but people feed on each other and get convinced they must be in the right because it's so much more comfortable to think that way.
I don't think that you are active enough here to even understand or fully view the group dynamic here. Mechanima certainly wasn't. I am really sick of people who don't know WTF they are talking about coming in here and passing judgement on things of which they do not have all the facts and do not even understand.
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I understand the dislike for Odeon and his peculiar butthurt indifference to emotion, believe me I do, but it ain't worth it.
:asthing:
???
I know you don't like me, but I don't really get this one.
I've gotten into too many fights with people who think that the first person to show emotion is the loser. Now I just see that tactic, of escalating bullshit under the thin veneer of logical control and a big heaping dose of contempt, as yet another face of butthurt.
You think that because I don't get all that emotional about this, it's a sign of butthurt?
:dunno: Fair enough. I don't agree but I suppose it's a valid interpretation.
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Wow... it started with an argument about who held responsibility when a spaz had a meltdown.
Then as far as I can tell without seeing Mechanima's deleted posts, she showed up and said hi to people in general, Odeon asked if she was still ignoring him ("still"? what happened in the past?) and everything went downhill from there.
I knew that she ignored me after she had a meltdown originating in the thread about her court case against Aspire in the beginning of 2010. Quite a few of us commented and made various suggestions, many of which she, um, reacted against. Somewhere during that, she put me on ignore but I still don't know why.
So when I asked her, it was simply to check if I was still being ignored, and if not, if she was still mad at me.
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I don't think that you are active enough here to even understand or fully view the group dynamic here. Mechanima certainly wasn't. I am really sick of people who don't know WTF they are talking about coming in here and passing judgement on things of which they do not have all the facts and do not even understand.
Wait, who are you? :P
I haven't been active as much lately but I've been part of I² since before it was squared. I know my opinions about group dynamics aren't popular, but I'm not going to quit thinking and talking about them.
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She wasn't just saying hi to people in general. She was being very passive-agressive, pretending to be nice while always implying that she did not care and was not affected by what they said and that she was above this place and everyone in it.
Why yes, she was so "not affected by us" she had to reply to everything said about her to get the last word. :zoinks:
I was about to accuse her of being a member of the P.P.L.W.G.I.C.
pathetically pathalogical last word getter inner's club :lol:
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I don't think that you are active enough here to even understand or fully view the group dynamic here. Mechanima certainly wasn't. I am really sick of people who don't know WTF they are talking about coming in here and passing judgement on things of which they do not have all the facts and do not even understand.
Wait, who are you? :P
I haven't been active as much lately but I've been part of I² since before it was squared. I know my opinions about group dynamics aren't popular, but I'm not going to quit thinking and talking about them.
I can see your point about the group dynamic. That happens everywhere really, stronger member influence weaker members, and cliques form and sometimes there is ganging up
But I can also see the other side of it, too. Many of the really unpopular member here really honestly did piss several people off, so that is why it sometimes seems like people are getting picked on by everyone in a group mentality way, but it's really just that they are a tard and everyone can see it.
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I can see your point about the group dynamic. That happens everywhere really, stronger member influence weaker members, and cliques form and sometimes there is ganging up
But I can also see the other side of it, too. Many of the really unpopular member here really honestly did piss several people off, so that is why it sometimes seems like people are getting picked on by everyone in a group mentality way, but it's really just that they are a tard and everyone can see it.
Sure.
I believe in expansion of knowledge, expansion of boundaries, so I tend to position myself right outside a group's comfort zone. Having read through Mechanima's original thread about her court case, I can see she just wasn't ever going to fit into the culture here. Too brittle. It sucks, though, I kinda liked her.
Often what I'm after is to get people to look at things from a new perspective.
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Often what I'm after is to get people to look at things from a new perspective.
That's kind of ironic, don't you think?
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Why?
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Why?
I don't know. It just seems a bit self-contradictory. I didn't see you try to get Mechanima to look at things from a new perspective. And I don't see you trying to get yourself to look at things from a new perspective either. :P
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I can see your point about the group dynamic. That happens everywhere really, stronger member influence weaker members, and cliques form and sometimes there is ganging up
But I can also see the other side of it, too. Many of the really unpopular member here really honestly did piss several people off, so that is why it sometimes seems like people are getting picked on by everyone in a group mentality way, but it's really just that they are a tard and everyone can see it.
Sure.
I believe in expansion of knowledge, expansion of boundaries, so I tend to position myself right outside a group's comfort zone. Having read through Mechanima's original thread about her court case, I can see she just wasn't ever going to fit into the culture here. Too brittle. It sucks, though, I kinda liked her.
Often what I'm after is to get people to look at things from a new perspective.
The short and sweet term is shit stirrer. :hahaha:
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The short and sweet term is shit stirrer. :hahaha:
Better than wallowing in it. :-*
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Why?
I don't know. It just seems a bit self-contradictory. I didn't see you try to get Mechanima to look at things from a new perspective. And I don't see you trying to get yourself to look at things from a new perspective either. :P
Then go back and re-read, because aside from answering people's questions, that's just about all I did.
Here, I'll make it easier.
Whyyyyyy? Can people here honestly hurt you that badly?
Now there is a trick question that was not intended to be if ever I saw one :)
:heart: :ner:
But it's a well-meaning one. I actually agree with a lot of your POV. But I think you're being a selfish ass about deleting the advocacy stuff. Some things are more important than personal hurt, and giving people a voice is one of them.
I am right now attempting to get Socrates back on the forum, because that bitchqueen Palmatier is STILL throwing legal bullshit at him, for no reason other than personal vindication, because he sure doesn't have the money to pay her off. Sites like this may leave open the risk of harm, but they do a lot of good too. We here are not the enemy.
That's bullshit talk. It looks more like Mechanima has some psychological issues that Odeon is not responsible for in any way. As Bodie said, it could've been anyone - not just Odeon.
Huh? Odeon's the one who started the callout. Because what, Mechanima was ignoring him?
I thought it was about the fact she made allegations of his character that sparked the callout. ???
What thread did it originate from? All I've seen is what was in the first post of the callout.
Here's part of it in the Away Back thread:
http://www.intensitysquared.com/index.php/topic,1801.msg814802.html#msg814802 (http://www.intensitysquared.com/index.php/topic,1801.msg814802.html#msg814802)
http://www.intensitysquared.com/index.php/topic,1801.msg814770.html#msg814770 (http://www.intensitysquared.com/index.php/topic,1801.msg814770.html#msg814770)
Wow... it started with an argument about who held responsibility when a spaz had a meltdown.
Then as far as I can tell without seeing Mechanima's deleted posts, she showed up and said hi to people in general, Odeon asked if she was still ignoring him ("still"? what happened in the past?) and everything went downhill from there.
It all began here I'd say:
http://www.intensitysquared.com/index.php/topic,13503.0.html (http://www.intensitysquared.com/index.php/topic,13503.0.html)
This entire 'feud' (if that's the right word for this). Since it's locked, I can't bump it.
So with all the new information I asked for, I can see a lot of different perspectives.
Is there a perspective in particular you think I'm missing?
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Judging from what you said here:
Wow... it started with an argument about who held responsibility when a spaz had a meltdown.
Then as far as I can tell without seeing Mechanima's deleted posts, she showed up and said hi to people in general, Odeon asked if she was still ignoring him ("still"? what happened in the past?) and everything went downhill from there.
and the fact that you made no acknowledgment of this perspective:
To me, it isn't a matter of who's right and who's wrong. It's a matter of being fair. And I think most of us here were trying to be as fair as can be with Mechanima. I know I was.
Unfortunately, she seems to be living in her own reality and unable to fathom our own collective perspective on this.
If someone makes a wild accusation against you, publicly accusing you of being abusive and hurtful to that person and holding you in some vague negative light, and not wanting to provide any explanation whatsoever, how would you have reacted, Pyraxis (regardless of how you personally feel about Odeon)?
then the answer is "yes".
But it seems this has turned into an argument about semantics with "look at" and "see". If your argument is that you can see that others have their own perspectives, then that is not what I was arguing.
My argument was really whether or not you can understand why some took issue with Mechanima's posts against Odeon, which requires a sense of seeing from a perspective different from the one you're holding, and that's the perspective you seem to be missing.
Not necessarily abnormal, though. Each of us has a perspective based on his/her own personal experience in the end. But some perspectives are just more common than others due to the commonality of many personal experiences shared by many humans.
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Ok. I actually went hunting through past posts on Dunc's forum yesterday, to see if I could find the place a couple years ago where Ozy was going after me as passive-aggressively as he could, and I couldn't find it. But hey, if you want to hear it from me rather than links, what happened is that I bit my tongue, because he seemed to be acting out of pure hurt. So I probably would have done the same thing if Mechanima had gone after me.
But really, it depends on context. What I would have done isn't really relevant to what Odeon should have done, because as a community owner he has to take a different approach than a member. If only to make sure, like he did, that Mechanima didn't actually do any harm to the site.
When I first read the post about fairness, I thought, what's the definition of fair? That's a group context thing too. Like and equal are not the same, and every individual has their own circumstances - whether they're a new member or old, their personality, their level of social skills, their intelligence, etc. People did seem to approach Mechanima with goodwill at first. But then it escalated beyond meltdown into a battle of wills between her and Odeon.
So in answer to fairness, I think the conflict could have been headed off by M. and O. treating each other more as individuals rather than trying to force each other into their private molds. Which of course the community owner is going to win. Though maybe neither of them wanted the conflict headed off. :P
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I don't think that you are active enough here to even understand or fully view the group dynamic here. Mechanima certainly wasn't. I am really sick of people who don't know WTF they are talking about coming in here and passing judgement on things of which they do not have all the facts and do not even understand.
Wait, who are you? :P
I haven't been active as much lately but I've been part of I² since before it was squared. I know my opinions about group dynamics aren't popular, but I'm not going to quit thinking and talking about them.
You should sig this. Brilliant.
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Ok. I actually went hunting through past posts on Dunc's forum yesterday, to see if I could find the place a couple years ago where Ozy was going after me as passive-aggressively as he could, and I couldn't find it. But hey, if you want to hear it from me rather than links, what happened is that I bit my tongue, because he seemed to be acting out of pure hurt. So I probably would have done the same thing if Mechanima had gone after me.
But really, it depends on context. What I would have done isn't really relevant to what Odeon should have done, because as a community owner he has to take a different approach than a member. If only to make sure, like he did, that Mechanima didn't actually do any harm to the site.
Yes, that is a fair point.
When I first read the post about fairness, I thought, what's the definition of fair? That's a group context thing too. Like and equal are not the same, and every individual has their own circumstances - whether they're a new member or old, their personality, their level of social skills, their intelligence, etc. People did seem to approach Mechanima with goodwill at first. But then it escalated beyond meltdown into a battle of wills between her and Odeon.
So in answer to fairness, I think the conflict could have been headed off by M. and O. treating each other more as individuals rather than trying to force each other into their private molds. Which of course the community owner is going to win. Though maybe neither of them wanted the conflict headed off. :P
She insulted me. I asked her to back her stuff up. How is that trying to force her into a mould?
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Cause you kept asking and asking and asking, never being satisfied with what she'd said, until it hit a breaking point and she threatened the site.
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I think I'm entitled to an answer so we'll have to differ re this. It's her problem if she wants to post here and has problems avoiding the callout.
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I don't think that you are active enough here to even understand or fully view the group dynamic here. Mechanima certainly wasn't. I am really sick of people who don't know WTF they are talking about coming in here and passing judgement on things of which they do not have all the facts and do not even understand.
Wait, who are you? :P
I haven't been active as much lately but I've been part of I² since before it was squared. I know my opinions about group dynamics aren't popular, but I'm not going to quit thinking and talking about them.
I'm someone who has actually been here for the past 9 months. :autism:
You have a reputation that precedes you. You come in once a year and complain about how things are run and the group dynamic and then fuck off again.
See you next summer?
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Yeah? :LOL:
All right. Frankly this bugs me more than anything else that's been said. I didn't realize things had changed so much that my modus operandi that used to fit right in is now coming off as being an ass. It's sad.
Well, whatever. Can't please everyone.
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I think I'm entitled to an answer so we'll have to differ re this.
Gave up on reading it all. Did that answer ever surface?
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Yeah? :LOL:
All right. Frankly this bugs me more than anything else that's been said. I didn't realize things had changed so much that my modus operandi that used to fit right in is now coming off as being an ass. It's sad.
Well, whatever. Can't please everyone.
I don't think you are an ass, just predictable. Everyone is entitled to their own thing, and certainly you as much as anyone else. I mostly know you from the moderator logs at WP anyway. I assume that person (Alex's right-hand) isn't really you anymore either.
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Moderator logs at WP? :o
Hell no I'm not the right hand of that sleazy little sellout. That was what, six years ago? I left after a few months because I realized the place was corrupt and it would be more effort than it was worth to change it. Better to found a new community on solid ground. I hear the Haven became a laughingstock after that mod exodus, just a place for whining instead of something important.
You were a mod at WP later?
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If the Haven isn't for whining, what's it for then?
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Moderator logs at WP? :o
You were a mod at WP later?
Yup. Up until 4 or 5 months ago.
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If the Haven isn't for whining, what's it for then?
Once upon a time it was a safe space for people who'd never had one before. Witnessing was a form of meaningful acceptance outside of the trite platitudes that society forces down your throat when you say something's wrong. It was meant to be a place to speak and heal and then move on with your life, not a cesspool of enabling bullshit.
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Yup. Up until 4 or 5 months ago.
Did the same thing happen to you as happens to everyone?
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Yup. Up until 4 or 5 months ago.
Did the same thing happen to you as happens to everyone?
I got fed up with Alex and quit after he went 6 weeks without replying to emails while retaining the only permissions needed to fix serious problems. Most of the mods who left before me were fired as he kept sweeping the ranks every few months. I think it goes back and forth between waves of firing and quitting.
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Yup. Up until 4 or 5 months ago.
Did the same thing happen to you as happens to everyone?
Example: http://www.wrongplanet.net/postt176028.html (http://www.wrongplanet.net/postt176028.html)
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I got fed up with Alex and quit after he went 6 weeks without replying to emails while retaining the only permissions needed to fix serious problems. Most of the mods who left before me were fired as he kept sweeping the ranks every few months. I think it goes back and forth between waves of firing and quitting.
The more things change, the more they stay the same. :puke:
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Don't particularly care about the whole WP logs thing, to be honest. Not really a good argument to use.
Pyraxis, I understand and relate to your need to put people outside their comfort zones. Nothing wrong with questioning things and doing a bit of stirring to keep people on their toes, I do this quite a fair bit too. The only issue I have is the overly pretentious manner you come across when doing it and how it seems more like a vendetta over past butthurt due to past drama.
The reason why I get that impression is how you always seem to only question certain members on I2 anytime you come on as of late, such as Odeon, Callaway etc. Noty particulary fans of either myself, but it's an almost amusing pattern nonetheless. The percieved pretentiousness is more general impression rather than anything to quote, really.
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Don't particularly care about the whole WP logs thing, to be honest. Not really a good argument to use.
What was I trying to argue? :dunno:
I was expressing to her a bit of shared history and context.
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Yeah, I didn't see an argument either. Caught me off guard - I'd practically forgotten about WP and I didn't know I had any reputation there whatsoever.
The only issue I have is the overly pretentious manner you come across when doing it and how it seems more like a vendetta over past butthurt due to past drama.
The reason why I get that impression is how you always seem to only question certain members on I2 anytime you come on as of late, such as Odeon, Callaway etc. Noty particulary fans of either myself, but it's an almost amusing pattern nonetheless. The percieved pretentiousness is more general impression rather than anything to quote, really.
I don't know what to do about the pretentiousness. I've been accused of that most of my life and I want to get rid of it, but whatever it is, it's pretty ingrained.
But yeah, you're right, I always target Odeon and Callaway. I have a pretty deep dislike for both of them, though with Odeon it's getting less and less so. :viking: If that comes off as butthurt, so be it. I don't get how it's pretentious, though. Should I be an equal opportunity abuser regardless of how I feel about all the other people here? I think that would be more elitist, to be a liberal values snob at the expense of common sense.
There are other things I could get mad about. Like WP's stubborn refusal to die a miserable death, because every crop of noobs falls for the same tricks, year after year. The day I find a way to break that pattern would be an awesome day indeed. :orly:
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Yup. Up until 4 or 5 months ago.
Did the same thing happen to you as happens to everyone?
Example: http://www.wrongplanet.net/postt176028.html (http://www.wrongplanet.net/postt176028.html)
:zombiefuck:
Holy fucking Alpaca shit Batman!!!!
That Moog fucker is about as arrogant of a misanthropic piece of pig shit as Quatermass was.
He's the kind of person that if you met in person, you'd punch in 5 min or less.
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I think I'm entitled to an answer so we'll have to differ re this.
Gave up on reading it all. Did that answer ever surface?
No, not to my knowledge.
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Yeah, I didn't see an argument either. Caught me off guard - I'd practically forgotten about WP and I didn't know I had any reputation there whatsoever.
The only issue I have is the overly pretentious manner you come across when doing it and how it seems more like a vendetta over past butthurt due to past drama.
The reason why I get that impression is how you always seem to only question certain members on I2 anytime you come on as of late, such as Odeon, Callaway etc. Noty particulary fans of either myself, but it's an almost amusing pattern nonetheless. The percieved pretentiousness is more general impression rather than anything to quote, really.
I don't know what to do about the pretentiousness. I've been accused of that most of my life and I want to get rid of it, but whatever it is, it's pretty ingrained.
But yeah, you're right, I always target Odeon and Callaway. I have a pretty deep dislike for both of them, though with Odeon it's getting less and less so. :viking: If that comes off as butthurt, so be it. I don't get how it's pretentious, though. Should I be an equal opportunity abuser regardless of how I feel about all the other people here? I think that would be more elitist, to be a liberal values snob at the expense of common sense.
There are other things I could get mad about. Like WP's stubborn refusal to die a miserable death, because every crop of noobs falls for the same tricks, year after year. The day I find a way to break that pattern would be an awesome day indeed. :orly:
I think you should be an equal opportunity abuser. :zoinks:
The difference between you and Schleed as I2's two main shit stirrers is that while you both have people you dislike (as do most of us), he is far better at using anyone as a suitable target. I think you need to dislike someone first.
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It does make it seem like you are attacking the person rather than what they said. in effect making it look that Odeon or Callaway could say any damn thing and you woudl seek to find a way to spin doctor it to try to make them look bad/ineffective/corrupt/shady or whatever.
Not even saying that is what you are doing but it sure looks like it and rather than "trying to present different viewpoints" it simply looks like you are trying to be contradictory.
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I think you should be an equal opportunity abuser. :zoinks:
But beating up on the weak and infirm is boring. You and Callaway at least put up a fight. :zoinks:
The difference between you and Schleed as I2's two main shit stirrers is that while you both have people you dislike (as do most of us), he is far better at using anyone as a suitable target. I think you need to dislike someone first.
Damn me and my good heart and sincerity.
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It does make it seem like you are attacking the person rather than what they said. in effect making it look that Odeon or Callaway could say any damn thing and you woudl seek to find a way to spin doctor it to try to make them look bad/ineffective/corrupt/shady or whatever.
Well, with Callaway, it's because my real beef with her is "forbidden", so there's nothing else to do but go about it indirectly. Actually that's where passive-aggression comes from. When for whatever reason, something is preventing honest confrontation. Though there are times I've attacked her words because they pissed me off too, like her treatment of Kayleigh.
rather than "trying to present different viewpoints" it simply looks like you are trying to be contradictory.
Is there anything more than a stylistic difference?
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I think you should be an equal opportunity abuser. :zoinks:
But beating up on the weak and infirm is boring. You and Callaway at least put up a fight. :zoinks:
Nothing feels so good as a well-placed kick, after the first brought the weak down. :zoinks:
The difference between you and Schleed as I2's two main shit stirrers is that while you both have people you dislike (as do most of us), he is far better at using anyone as a suitable target. I think you need to dislike someone first.
Damn me and my good heart and sincerity.
Yes, you do need to work on that.
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Nothing feels so good as a well-placed kick, after the first brought the weak down. :zoinks:
Is that so? :rage:
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Yup. Up until 4 or 5 months ago.
Did the same thing happen to you as happens to everyone?
Example: http://www.wrongplanet.net/postt176028.html (http://www.wrongplanet.net/postt176028.html)
Looks like that is gone!
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:lolwat:
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(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-ukDYLzF70Rw/Tay6AEB33kI/AAAAAAAAAK0/PCUdECbhjJY/s1600/The_Sith_Code.jpg)
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Well, with Callaway, it's because my real beef with her is "forbidden", so there's nothing else to do but go about it indirectly. Actually that's where passive-aggression comes from. When for whatever reason, something is preventing honest confrontation. Though there are times I've attacked her words because they pissed me off too, like her treatment of Kayleigh.
Oh, yeah, as if Kayleigh is worthy of good treatment. ::)
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Well, with Callaway, it's because my real beef with her is "forbidden", so there's nothing else to do but go about it indirectly. Actually that's where passive-aggression comes from. When for whatever reason, something is preventing honest confrontation. Though there are times I've attacked her words because they pissed me off too, like her treatment of Kayleigh.
Oh, yeah, as if Kayleigh is worthy of good treatment. ::)
To some people she may be. :dunno:
I don't really have an opinion on her anymore tbh , she acted dickishly (excuse the pun :rofl:) when she was leaving but meh , penty and richtard were worse.
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Well, with Callaway, it's because my real beef with her is "forbidden", so there's nothing else to do but go about it indirectly. Actually that's where passive-aggression comes from. When for whatever reason, something is preventing honest confrontation. Though there are times I've attacked her words because they pissed me off too, like her treatment of Kayleigh.
Oh, yeah, as if Kayleigh is worthy of good treatment. ::)
To some people she may be. :dunno:
I don't really have an opinion on her anymore tbh , she acted dickishly (excuse the pun :rofl:) when she was leaving but meh , penty and richtard were worse.
IMO, it is worse than those two. Especially how she used (and still uses) Renaeden every now and then.
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Well, with Callaway, it's because my real beef with her is "forbidden", so there's nothing else to do but go about it indirectly. Actually that's where passive-aggression comes from. When for whatever reason, something is preventing honest confrontation. Though there are times I've attacked her words because they pissed me off too, like her treatment of Kayleigh.
Oh, yeah, as if Kayleigh is worthy of good treatment. ::)
To some people she may be. :dunno:
I don't really have an opinion on her anymore tbh , she acted dickishly (excuse the pun :rofl:) when she was leaving but meh , penty and richtard were worse.
IMO, it is worse than those two. Especially how she used (and still uses) Renaeden every now and then.
Fair enough.
IMO , I think Ren does these things of her own accord which just proves what a good person she really is.
Penty was maybe an unfair point , he HAS tried to change at least I have to say that.
Richtard is IMO the worst of the three , spends his money on shiny rocks , goes into soup kitchens for homeless or those who don't have money and eats there for free. If the local benefits offices were to know about it I can only imagine what level of shit he would be in.
I think it's kind of harsh for you to say:
Oh, yeah, as if Kayleigh is worthy of good treatment. ::)
Considering members such as Pyraxis have known Kayleigh for a long time , they probably have a different stance on her.
Just my opinion though feel free to listen or ignore it. :P
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IMO , I think Ren does these things of her own accord which just proves what a good person she really is.
She's a very angelic person indeed. Which is why she can be easily manipulated by a user like Kayleigh.
Richtard is IMO the worst of the three , spends his money on shiny rocks , goes into soup kitchens for homeless or those who don't have money and eats there for free. If the local benefits offices were to know about it I can only imagine what level of shit he would be in.
That makes him a big dumbass, not necessarily malicious (in my book). He's only hurting himself in the long run.
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IMO , I think Ren does these things of her own accord which just proves what a good person she really is.
She's a very angelic person indeed. Which is why she can be easily manipulated by a user like Kayleigh.
Richtard is IMO the worst of the three , spends his money on shiny rocks , goes into soup kitchens for homeless or those who don't have money and eats there for free. If the local benefits offices were to know about it I can only imagine what level of shit he would be in.
That makes him a big dumbass, not necessarily malicious (in my book). He's only hurting himself in the long run.
I honestly wonder if Kayleigh is aware of what she does , as if she has some kind of lack of empathy of others due to the aspergers... I'm not making any less of what she did , it was wrong and hurtful but I am just wonderng.
and we'll have to agree to disagree on that , I personally think it makes him a selfish little child who refuses to take care of his own shit when he is more than capable of doing so.
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Yup. Up until 4 or 5 months ago.
Did the same thing happen to you as happens to everyone?
Example: http://www.wrongplanet.net/postt176028.html (http://www.wrongplanet.net/postt176028.html)
Looks like that is gone!
Of course it's gone. MLA showed up the current moderation staff to be a pack of childish bullies.
This is how they deal with the evidence at WP, the same way they deal with unpleasant facts in Orwell's 1984, they re-write history.
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It does make it seem like you are attacking the person rather than what they said. in effect making it look that Odeon or Callaway could say any damn thing and you woudl seek to find a way to spin doctor it to try to make them look bad/ineffective/corrupt/shady or whatever.
Well, with Callaway, it's because my real beef with her is "forbidden", so there's nothing else to do but go about it indirectly. Actually that's where passive-aggression comes from. When for whatever reason, something is preventing honest confrontation. Though there are times I've attacked her words because they pissed me off too, like her treatment of Kayleigh.
rather than "trying to present different viewpoints" it simply looks like you are trying to be contradictory.
Is there anything more than a stylistic difference?
Pyraxis, You are smart and have an intellect mind and that is apparent.
I do think that when you do as above it robs your claims of merit because "Pyraxis is just being contrary again". Hardron does this too but for different reasons. The big difference between "just being contrary" and "showing different viewpoints", in my view in the difference between thinking your viewpoint has any store and just trying to seek if a throwaway claim may take root.
It seems like you are throwing out a heap of contrary claims you have tried to dress up in hope that one will actually stick to Odeon or Callaway. I don't think you believe in them at all but just like the opportunity to go for a smear. I think the claims are not valued by you and are disposable. Because it doesn't look like you have any score in these countless claims, I, and i am sure others, kind of switch off to them.
It is ashame because you are smart and do write very well and cleverly. The subject matter sometimes is a bit questionable, that is all.
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Curious about your username, pyraxsis.
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The big difference between "just being contrary" and "showing different viewpoints", in my view in the difference between thinking your viewpoint has any store and just trying to seek if a throwaway claim may take root.
It seems like you are throwing out a heap of contrary claims you have tried to dress up in hope that one will actually stick to Odeon or Callaway. I don't think you believe in them at all but just like the opportunity to go for a smear. I think the claims are not valued by you and are disposable. Because it doesn't look like you have any score in these countless claims, I, and i am sure others, kind of switch off to them.
It is ashame because you are smart and do write very well and cleverly. The subject matter sometimes is a bit questionable, that is all.
Hm. I do think that my viewpoints have merit, very much so. What I consider throwaway is the means by which they're communicated. Every person seems to have a different approach that they'll listen to, and when I customize it to one person, it looks like a load of bullshit to the other people that come by and read it. But in my head, it's not contradictory. Like with this Odeon and Mechanima thing, there were ways in which I sympathized with and understood both sides. But who's going to listen to that? So when I talked directly to each of them, I emphasized the bits which I thought would resonate with them. The point wasn't to smear, it was to connect.
Despite what you might think, I do believe in what I say.
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Curious about your username, pyraxsis.
It's the name of an RPG character I used to play. She was a flame vampire who fed on body heat instead of blood. There was this demon girl who was the archenemy of a previous campaign so the rest of the party was all terrified of her, but one day they saw her just lying on the side of a hill, reading a book. Pyraxis walked up to her and said "Whatcha reading?" and of course it was the Book of Ultimate Evil. Pyraxis pipes up, "Can I borrow it?" and the demon's like, "Sure!" and so the adventure starts. Poor GM's confounded because demon girl's supposed to be frightening and hideously evil, he doesn't know what to do next. So the girl disappears, and it eventually turns out she's been kidnapped by an even more nefarious demon to be a sacrifice in some grand evil spell. Pyraxis ends up gathering an artifact from both the temple of light and the temple of darkness, and walking into the depths of hell to rescue this girl who was supposed to be the greatest villain of the campaign.
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:laugh: Thanks.
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Curious about your username, pyraxsis.
It's the name of an RPG character I used to play. She was a flame vampire who derpy derp, derp, derp derp, derp derpity dip dumb the greatest villain of the campaign.
Dweeb. :hahaha:
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You don't know the half of it. :nerdy: :razz:
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Sounds like an American RPG. I'm more a fan of Japanese ones.
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Any possibility this thread can die now?
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NO!
There is no such thing as dead threads.
Only locked threads are relatively dead here. Though even they can be raised from the dead again. :orly:
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I will have a hissy fit and delete all my posts if you don't let this thread die. :zoinks:
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Any possibility this thread can die now?
No, not until I die.
You don't like it, then come here and we'll have a fight.
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I will have a hissy fit and delete all my posts if you don't let this thread die. :zoinks:
Eat your heart out. :hyke:
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I will have a hissy fit and delete all my posts if you don't let this thread die. :zoinks:
Good luck, you'll likely be done by 2013 if you start now *looks at your post count*, but... You cheat, you have admin powers. >:( :laugh:
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I will have a hissy fit and delete all my posts if you don't let this thread die. :zoinks:
I can let it die by spamming penty's bitchtits if you like. :zoinks: :orly: :evillaugh:
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I will have a hissy fit and delete all my posts if you don't let this thread die. :zoinks:
I can let it die by spamming penty's bitchtits if you like. :zoinks: :orly: :evillaugh:
Me thinks, we need a rule that says that spamming those is a threat to the site. :evillaugh:
:banhammer:
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I will have a hissy fit and delete all my posts if you don't let this thread die. :zoinks:
I can let it die by spamming penty's bitchtits if you like. :zoinks: :orly: :evillaugh:
Me thinks, we need a rule that says that spamming those is a threat to the site. :evillaugh:
:banhammer:
I'm only offering to shatter the individual psyches of I2 members help kill the thread for Odeon. :angel:
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It's a threat to my sanity and therefore the site.
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It's a threat to my sanity and therefore the site.
:lol:
Don't make me hack the delete button. :zoinks:
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NONE OF YOU ARE AUTISTIC!!!!
(There, did I do it right?) :probe:
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So what am I then? Just retarded? :autism: :autism: :autism:
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Damn, wasn't that Dunc's law on how to kill a thread! :zombiefuck:
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NONE OF YOU ARE AUTISTIC!!!!
(There, did I do it right?) :probe:
Thank you. I hereby declare this thread as dead.
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NONE OF YOU IS AUTISTIC!!!!
(There, did I do it right?) :probe:
Fixed.
:P
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:moon:
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OH NOESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS, the GRAMMAR POLICE ARE ON MY TRAIL!!! :runaway:
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Sounds like an American RPG. I'm more a fan of Japanese ones.
It was BESM. Actually. Does that count as American or Japanese?
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OH NOESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS, the GRAMMAR POLICE ARE ON MY TRAIL!!! :runaway:
Coolaway is alwayz koorecting mai gramare ande speelong , I fink she alzo plans too put me on mai own ignoor lizt too , i'm shure of it! :tard:
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OH NOESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS, the GRAMMAR POLICE ARE ON MY TRAIL!!! :runaway:
Coolaway is alwayz koorecting mai gramare ande speelong , I fink she alzo plans too put me on mai own ignoor lizt too , i'm shure of it! :tard:
:conspiracy: :hitler: :resist:
:zip:
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OH NOESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS, the GRAMMAR POLICE ARE ON MY TRAIL!!! :runaway:
Coolaway is alwayz koorecting mai gramare ande speelong , I fink she alzo plans too put me on mai own ignoor lizt too , i'm shure of it! :tard:
:rofl:
:plus:
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OH NOESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS, the GRAMMAR POLICE ARE ON MY TRAIL!!! :runaway:
Well, you did ask if you did it right.
:lol:
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OH NOESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS, the GRAMMAR POLICE ARE ON MY TRAIL!!! :runaway:
Well, you did ask if you did it right.
:lol:
:facepalm2:
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Sounds like an American RPG. I'm more a fan of Japanese ones.
It was BESM. Actually. Does that count as American or Japanese?
Just looked this up on Wikipedia. Sounds Japanese then.
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You don't know the half of it. :nerdy: :razz:
Then, Oh pray, do tell Meh, nevermind. ::)
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Wow this this still going on ?
Well here is something to break up the monotony
(http://www.ka-wai.com/wp-content/uploads/bouncing-boobs_ani.gif)
I think her blood pressure is a little high. Maybe she is having a stroke.
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Wow this this still going on ?
Well here is something to break up the monotony
(http://www.ka-wai.com/wp-content/uploads/bouncing-boobs_ani.gif)
I think her blood pressure is a little high. Maybe she is having a stroke.
Fucking her would give me whiplash! :zoinks: Not to mention watching this is making me dizzy! :zombiefuck:
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Wow this this still going on ?
Well here is something to break up the monotony
(http://www.ka-wai.com/wp-content/uploads/bouncing-boobs_ani.gif)
I think her blood pressure is a little high. Maybe she is having a stroke.
Dead or alive, I'd hit that shit. :eyebrows:
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Wow this this still going on ?
Well here is something to break up the monotony
(http://www.ka-wai.com/wp-content/uploads/bouncing-boobs_ani.gif)
I think her blood pressure is a little high. Maybe she is having a stroke.
Dead or alive, I'd hit that shit. :eyebrows:
Yeah, I would to.............after she stopped whipping those things around! :zoinks: