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Start here => What's your crime? Basic Discussion => Topic started by: Soleiyu on September 29, 2009, 05:28:34 PM
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I view them as the lowest races. Beneath africans, whiter jews and latinos even.
I've tried to accept them but I just can't. I find the entire racial type disgusting.
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Some Arab women are beautiful 8)
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I don't care what race someone is, although I don't tend to be attracted to asian women
I hate islam though, and a lot of people in this country who say they are pakistani/bangladeshi etc are muslim
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Don't move to london then.
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One thing the americans did right was Abu Ghraib prison. Actually makes me happy thinking about it.
(http://csaction.org/TORTURE/Picture%2030.jpg)
(http://csaction.org/TORTURE/Picture%2026.jpg)
(http://csaction.org/TORTURE/torture31.jpg)
I just wish we had concentration camps for sandniggers, persians, pakis etc in Europe. I would like to be the commander in charge of such a camp.
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rofl
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Pakis make good cricketers, and Persians made good rugs.
Persia no longer exists, BTW.
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Pakis make good cricketers, and Persians made good rugs.
Persia no longer exists, BTW.
With persians, I mean iranians who aren't turks or jews. I also count some afghans as "persian". The ones who are of the same racial type as persian iranians. Imo, everything Hitler said about the jews is true when it comes to iranian people.
I would like to start a website based in a country where it's not illegal with hatespeech. It would be called "Kebab Sodomy" and bring up everything anyone would ever want to know about iranian and middle-eastern people, along with ugly caricatures. Their traditional music would be ridiculed, their food, their culture, their looks, genetics etc. An entire section would be dedicated to the low self esteem of iranian women etc etc. Ofc Islam would be bashed as well and there would be a montly Mohammed caricature contest.
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Pakis make good cricketers, and Persians made good rugs.
Persia no longer exists, BTW.
With persians, I mean iranians who aren't turks or jews. I also count some afghans as "persian". The ones who are of the same racial type as persian iranians. Imo, everything Hitler said about the jews is true when it comes to iranian people.
I would like to start a website based in a country where it's not illegal with hatespeech. It would be called "Kebab Sodomy" and bring up everything anyone would ever want to know about iranian and middle-eastern people, along with ugly caricatures. Their traditional music would be ridiculed, their food, their culture, their looks, genetics etc. An entire section would be dedicated to the low self esteem of iranian women etc etc. Ofc Islam would be bashed as well and there would be a montly Mohammed caricature contest.
Don't count yer chickens, cookie boy. Just mentioning that shit could get Interpol's radar homing in on you.
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Some Arab women are beautiful 8)
Agreed. There are loads of them at the uni I go to. They are very graceful.
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They need to be shot. :litigious:
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They need to be shot. :litigious:
with a love gun?
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They need to be shot. :litigious:
with a love gun?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QoLx8RsHN0A (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QoLx8RsHN0A)
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My opinion of Muslim Arabs, Iranians and Indians are that apart from the fundies, who want to introduce sharia law here, those should be deported to Saudi Arabia or Iran. They are no different from the non-Muslim population, in the sense you have the good ones and bad ones.
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They need to be shot. :litigious:
with a love gun?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QoLx8RsHN0A (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QoLx8RsHN0A)
Thats where I got it from yes :laugh:
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Some Arab women are beautiful 8)
Agreed. There are loads of them at the uni I go to. They are very graceful.
They try to be graceful to overcompensate for their bad body smell and excessive body hair they have to remove frequently.
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:agreed:
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:agreed:
Truly graceful women are japanese. Arab women are really just bignosed trolls with inferiority complex and mental problems from having had abusive fathers who view women as subhumans or material belongings.
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:agreed:
Truly graceful women are japanese. Arab women are really just bignosed trolls with inferiority complex and mental problems from having had abusive fathers who view women as subhumans or material belongings.
Try reading these things on your beloved Japanese women:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Women%27s_suffrage_in_Japan (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Women%27s_suffrage_in_Japan)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Culture_of_Japan (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Culture_of_Japan)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Women_in_Japan (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Women_in_Japan)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Feminism_in_Japan (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Feminism_in_Japan)
Then try and make the comparison you just made.
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But the Japanese are still BRAVE! and the Master Race of the East. 8)
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But the Japanese are still BRAVE! and the Master Race of the East. 8)
We know why you love the Japanese, they are the country that gave the world bukkake and lolicon. ::)
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My opinion of Muslim Arabs, Iranians and Indians are that apart from the fundies, who want to introduce sharia law here, those should be deported to Saudi Arabia or Iran. They are no different from the non-Muslim population, in the sense you have the good ones and bad ones.
I disagree. To me separating good muslims from bad ones is like shaving shit off of a turd. There just won't be much left.
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My opinion of Muslim Arabs, Iranians and Indians are that apart from the fundies, who want to introduce sharia law here, those should be deported to Saudi Arabia or Iran. They are no different from the non-Muslim population, in the sense you have the good ones and bad ones.
I disagree. To me separating good muslims from bad ones is like shaving shit off of a turd. There just won't be much left.
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Way to go for generalising.
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My opinion of Muslim Arabs, Iranians and Indians are that apart from the fundies, who want to introduce sharia law here, those should be deported to Saudi Arabia or Iran. They are no different from the non-Muslim population, in the sense you have the good ones and bad ones.
I disagree. To me separating good muslims from bad ones is like shaving shit off of a turd. There just won't be much left.
:agreed:
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Bloody hell Lit. I much preferred your pony :laugh:
Anyway, PPK you're fucking lame. You all say both Soleiyu and Lit are scumbags for their racist views yet some of you come out with the stupidest stuff yet that is okay isn't it? For fuck's sake, no Muslim is the same in the same way no human being is the same. It is fuck all to do with being PC. I'd just like to know, how many Muslims do you know personally? I happen to know a fair few, some are twats I do agree but in each group you find twats. This forum being the prime example.
A big :thumbdn: to you.
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Isla is a shit religion though. And the religion you belong to says a lot about who you are as a person, whereas what you are (sex, race etc) don't. So it's not the same as with any random section of the population. There are more twats among a group of muslims than there are among a group that's representative of the population as a whole (including atheists etc)
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Bloody hell Lit. I much preferred your pony :laugh:
Anyway, PPK you're fucking lame. You all say both Soleiyu and Lit are scumbags for their racist views yet some of you come out with the stupidest stuff yet that is okay isn't it? For fuck's sake, no Muslim is the same in the same way no human being is the same. It is fuck all to do with being PC. I'd just like to know, how many Muslims do you know personally? I happen to know a fair few, some are twats I do agree but in each group you find twats. This forum being the prime example.
A big :thumbdn: to you.
I have been to military trade schools with them and know some from college. Since they to tend have body odor and tried to get me to give them test answers in college I didn't care to get to know most of them any better. http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/ (http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/) You do have the option of moving to Saudi Arabia, the Sudan or Somalia to experience the loving tolerance of Islam first hand but I suspect that you won't.
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Bloody hell Lit. I much preferred your pony :laugh:
Anyway, PPK you're fucking lame. You all say both Soleiyu and Lit are scumbags for their racist views yet some of you come out with the stupidest stuff yet that is okay isn't it? For fuck's sake, no Muslim is the same in the same way no human being is the same. It is fuck all to do with being PC. I'd just like to know, how many Muslims do you know personally? I happen to know a fair few, some are twats I do agree but in each group you find twats. This forum being the prime example.
A big :thumbdn: to you.
I have been to military trade schools with them and know some from college. Since they tend have body odor and tried to get me to give them test answers in college I didn't care to get to know most of them any better. http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/ (http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/) You do have the option of moving to Saudi Arabia, the Sudan or Somalia to experience the loving tolerance of Islam first hand but I suspect that you won't.
I do not agree with Islam nor do I believe in anything else since I am atheist. I don't however think of Muslims as a congregated mass who think, look or "smell" the same. Fucking hell, you make it sound as if body odour is a national (I am aware that there are Muslims in different nations but I lack a better word) trait of theirs. Just today, on the tube, I was forced against a man who bloody stank. He was white and British. Does that mean all white British males smell?
You are just as bad as Soleiyu if not worse. At least Soleiyu is upfront about being racist.
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Soleiyu is BRAVE! :toporly:
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Isla is a shit religion though. And the religion you belong to says a lot about who you are as a person, whereas what you are (sex, race etc) don't. So it's not the same as with any random section of the population. There are more twats among a group of muslims than there are among a group that's representative of the population as a whole (including atheists etc)
Not really. What if you are born into a particular religion? It's not that easy to break free, especially if it's like Islam. I mean it was hard enough for me, and my family was only Roman catholic. Not to mention not all Muslims are fundamentalist.
It is a stupid religion but then again most religions fucking are. Islam is just a bit extra.
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I think by the age of 21 people have no excuse for still being ignorant religious twats. I don't think all muslims are arseholes. I had a friend from college who came to uni with me and she was muslim. She was cool about it though. I'd rather spend an hour in a room full of atheists though than a room full of muslims.
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Bloody hell Lit. I much preferred your pony :laugh:
Anyway, PPK you're fucking lame. You all say both Soleiyu and Lit are scumbags for their racist views yet some of you come out with the stupidest stuff yet that is okay isn't it? For fuck's sake, no Muslim is the same in the same way no human being is the same. It is fuck all to do with being PC. I'd just like to know, how many Muslims do you know personally? I happen to know a fair few, some are twats I do agree but in each group you find twats. This forum being the prime example.
A big :thumbdn: to you.
I have been to military trade schools with them and know some from college. Since they tend have body odor and tried to get me to give them test answers in college I didn't care to get to know most of them any better. http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/ (http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/) You do have the option of moving to Saudi Arabia, the Sudan or Somalia to experience the loving tolerance of Islam first hand but I suspect that you won't.
I do not agree with Islam nor do I believe in anything else since I am atheist. I don't however think of Muslims as a congregated mass who think, look or "smell" the same. Fucking hell, you make it sound as if body odour is a national (I am aware that there are Muslims in different nations but I lack a better word) trait of theirs. Just today, on the tube, I was forced against a man who bloody stank. He was white and British. Does that mean all white British males smell?
You are just as bad as Soleiyu if not worse. At least Soleiyu is upfront about being racist.
I have never claimed to like muslims. Find a fucking post where I did. It is common amonst middle easterners to simply layer cologne over sweat and I am talking about in US colleges and military trade schools where the option to shower everyday is available. Is there some particular reason that you seem to be carrying a brief for Islam? Maybe that Religion of Piece link I put up has a bunch of incorrect information in it. What parts of that website are incorrect?
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Bloody hell Lit. I much preferred your pony :laugh:
Anyway, PPK you're fucking lame. You all say both Soleiyu and Lit are scumbags for their racist views yet some of you come out with the stupidest stuff yet that is okay isn't it? For fuck's sake, no Muslim is the same in the same way no human being is the same. It is fuck all to do with being PC. I'd just like to know, how many Muslims do you know personally? I happen to know a fair few, some are twats I do agree but in each group you find twats. This forum being the prime example.
A big :thumbdn: to you.
I have been to military trade schools with them and know some from college. Since they tend have body odor and tried to get me to give them test answers in college I didn't care to get to know most of them any better. http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/ (http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/) You do have the option of moving to Saudi Arabia, the Sudan or Somalia to experience the loving tolerance of Islam first hand but I suspect that you won't.
I do not agree with Islam nor do I believe in anything else since I am atheist. I don't however think of Muslims as a congregated mass who think, look or "smell" the same. Fucking hell, you make it sound as if body odour is a national (I am aware that there are Muslims in different nations but I lack a better word) trait of theirs. Just today, on the tube, I was forced against a man who bloody stank. He was white and British. Does that mean all white British males smell?
You are just as bad as Soleiyu if not worse. At least Soleiyu is upfront about being racist.
I have never claimed to like muslims. Find a fucking post where I did. It is common amonst middle easterners to simply layer cologne over sweat and I am talking about in US colleges and military trade schools where the option to shower everyday is available. Is there some particular reason that you seem to be carrying a brief for Islam? Maybe that Religion of Piece link I put up has a bunch of incorrect information in it. What parts of that website are incorrect?
Here in Europe it's a "must" to embrace Islam. Otherwise you're considered a Nazi, in principle.
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I think by the age of 21 people have no excuse for still being ignorant religious twats. I don't think all muslims are arseholes. I had a friend from college who came to uni with me and she was muslim. She was cool about it though. I'd rather spend an hour in a room full of atheists though than a room full of muslims.
I too have a friend in college who is a Muslim and she's awesome. Obviously I too prefer the company of atheists if I have to choose but that is only because I dislike ALL religions in general. I'm just against all Muslims being called smelly, dirty, dumb fuckheads really. As for pictures, I could post up pictures of members of the FLDS or those twats who blow up abortion clinics. All religion is stupid, full stop however not all people who are religious, are brainless sheep.
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All religions are shit. Humans are shit. Let's encourage them further to wipe themselves off the face of the Earth.
/satire
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All religions are shit but you don't see pagans and buddhists being retarded all over the world like Islam though
Also even with christianity, which is shit too, most people here who say they are christian don't really believe all the crazy shit you get in the OT, the really outdated shit. whereas most muslims do believe things that belong in the middle-ages - I'm thinking especially of women (as usual :P )
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Bloody hell Lit. I much preferred your pony :laugh:
Anyway, PPK you're fucking lame. You all say both Soleiyu and Lit are scumbags for their racist views yet some of you come out with the stupidest stuff yet that is okay isn't it? For fuck's sake, no Muslim is the same in the same way no human being is the same. It is fuck all to do with being PC. I'd just like to know, how many Muslims do you know personally? I happen to know a fair few, some are twats I do agree but in each group you find twats. This forum being the prime example.
A big :thumbdn: to you.
I have been to military trade schools with them and know some from college. Since they tend have body odor and tried to get me to give them test answers in college I didn't care to get to know most of them any better. http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/ (http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/) You do have the option of moving to Saudi Arabia, the Sudan or Somalia to experience the loving tolerance of Islam first hand but I suspect that you won't.
I do not agree with Islam nor do I believe in anything else since I am atheist. I don't however think of Muslims as a congregated mass who think, look or "smell" the same. Fucking hell, you make it sound as if body odour is a national (I am aware that there are Muslims in different nations but I lack a better word) trait of theirs. Just today, on the tube, I was forced against a man who bloody stank. He was white and British. Does that mean all white British males smell?
You are just as bad as Soleiyu if not worse. At least Soleiyu is upfront about being racist.
I have never claimed to like muslims. Find a fucking post where I did. It is common amonst middle easterners to simply layer cologne over sweat and I am talking about in US colleges and military trade schools where the option to shower everyday is available. Is there some particular reason that you seem to be carrying a brief for Islam? Maybe that Religion of Piece link I put up has a bunch of incorrect information in it. What parts of that website are incorrect?
Not for Islam but for Muslims as people. I happen to know Islam quite well thanks, I have read the Qur'an and laughed at it in between being horrified. In the same way I have with the Bible.
Anyway, I just don't think it's fucking fair to lump a bunch of people together and label them as a whole.
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All religions are shit but you don't see pagans and buddhists being retarded all over the world like Islam though
Also even with christianity, which is shit too, most people here who say they are christian don't really believe all the crazy shit you get in the OT, the really outdated shit. whereas most muslims do believe things that belong in the middle-ages - I'm thinking especially of women (as usual :P )
Not really. A fair amount do but you do get exceptions.
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I think by the age of 21 people have no excuse for still being ignorant religious twats. I don't think all muslims are arseholes. I had a friend from college who came to uni with me and she was muslim. She was cool about it though. I'd rather spend an hour in a room full of atheists though than a room full of muslims.
Especially ones wearing backpacks :lol: :lol:
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How come so many muslim women wear the hujab or whatever it's called then? They are mostly living in the middle ages, while the majority of so-called "christians" here have long since realised that the old testament isn't meant to be taken literally and they go fornicating every night
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I too have a friend in college who is a Muslim and she's awesome. Obviously I too prefer the company of atheists if I have to choose but that is only because I dislike ALL religions in general. I'm just against all Muslims being called smelly, dirty, dumb fuckheads really. As for pictures, I could post up pictures of members of the FLDS or those twats who blow up abortion clinics. All religion is stupid, full stop however not all people who are religious, are brainless sheep.
Tell yourself that all religions are the same if it makes you feel warm and fuzzy. But it might be better for you to do it in the UK rather than putting your money where your mouth is and embracing the serene tolerance of Islam in Iran etc where it is the state religion. Why don't you go to Saudi Arabia and get yourself a drivers license Gus?
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People just seem to make their own rules up about christianity nowdays. The extreme christians in places like Texas are just as bad as the extreme Muslims I think. I can't see how people can live this life, like there's gonna be another one afterwards, and do some completely fucked up shit, cause God says its ok.
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How come so many muslim women wear the hujab or whatever it's called then? They are mostly living in the middle ages, while the majority of so-called "christians" here have long since realised that the old testament isn't meant to be taken literally and they go fornicating every night
The hijab is nothing to do with living in the Middle Ages and I too happen to know of a few Muslims who don't wear it. Some like it and would feel strange without one, some may not like it as much. Maybe some ARE being forced to wear it, I don't know but most of the girls I have quizzed have replied that they would feel weird without it. Christian women wear a white dress to their wedding which is meant to mean they are virginal, are they? That too is an outdated concept.
Anyway to quote from the website PPK linked:
Muslims are individuals. We passionately believe that no Muslim should be harmed, harassed, stereotyped or treated any differently anywhere in the world solely on account of their status as a Muslim.
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I too have a friend in college who is a Muslim and she's awesome. Obviously I too prefer the company of atheists if I have to choose but that is only because I dislike ALL religions in general. I'm just against all Muslims being called smelly, dirty, dumb fuckheads really. As for pictures, I could post up pictures of members of the FLDS or those twats who blow up abortion clinics. All religion is stupid, full stop however not all people who are religious, are brainless sheep.
Tell yourself that all religions are the same if it makes you feel warm and fuzzy. But it might be better for you to do it in the UK rather than putting your money where your mouth is and embracing the serene tolerance of Islam in Iran etc where it is the state religion. Why don't you go to Saudi Arabia and get yourself a drivers license Gus?
What a fucking lame argument ::)
Of course I'm speaking from the viewpoint of the Muslims I see in the UK not the ones in Saudi Arabia because those are the only Muslims I know. Do you know any Muslims in Saudi Arabia? Probably not either.
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My dad knew Muslims in Saudi Arabia. :toporly:
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Actually I'll post the whole statement cause it's bloody good:
"Don't judge the Muslims that you know by Islam and
don't judge Islam by the Muslims that you know. "
Since we hear from so many critics who either don't take the time to read this site, or simply can't understand the distinction between Islam and Muslims, we thought it best to bring together in one place what we have said in so many others over the years.
Islam is an ideology. No ideology is above critique, particularly one that explicitly seeks political and social dominance over every person on the planet.
Muslims are individuals. We passionately believe that no Muslim should be harmed, harassed, stereotyped or treated any differently anywhere in the world solely on account of their status as a Muslim.
Islam is not simply a belief about God. It is a word that means Submission. Islam is a set of rules that establish a social hierarchy in which Muslims submit to Allah, women submit to men and all non-Muslims submit to Islamic rule.
Since we don't live in a Muslim country (where censorship, intimidation and brute force are shamelessly employed to protect Islam from logical deconstruction), we are still free to openly exercise our right to debate the merits of the Islamic value system against Western Liberalism.
Are men really superior to women as the Qur'an says? Are women intellectually inferior as Muhammad taught? Does propagating material (the Qur'an) that openly curses people of other religions amidst random calls to violence really make for a better social environment? Is it right to keep women as sex slaves, merely because the Qur'an explicitly allows it in multiple places? Should atheists and homosexuals have to choose between the noose and an outward profession of faith in Allah?
Yes, there are Muslims who take issue with these aspects of Islamic theology, but it doesn't change what Islam is. Don't confuse the ideology with the individual. Don't draw conclusions about Islam based on the Muslims that you know, be they terrorists or humanitarians. Islam must be understood on the basis of what it is, as presented objectively in the Qur'an, Hadith and Sira (biography of Muhammad).
By the same token, don't draw conclusions about the Muslims in your life based on the true nature of Islam. Like any other group, not all Muslims think alike. Even if there is no such thing as moderate Islam, it does not mean that there are no moderate Muslims.
If our years of dialogue with literally hundreds have taught us anything, it is that most Muslims (even devout ones) have only a superficial understanding of their religion. Most never made the choice to be Muslim, so (as with all religion) there are widely varying degrees of seriousness with which they may take the teachings of Islam.
The Muslims that you know are not terrorists. More than likely, their interests in life are similar to yours and they have the same ambitions for their children. They should neither be shunned, mistreated, nor disrespected merely because of their religion. Their property should not be abused, and neither should copies of their sacred book be vandalized.
Prejudging an individual by their group identity (or presumed group identity) is not only unethical, it is blatantly irrational, since group identity reveals absolutely nothing about a person. Every individual should be judged only on the basis of their own words and deeds.
Don't judge Islam by the Muslims that you know, and don't judge the Muslims that you know by Islam.
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I too have a friend in college who is a Muslim and she's awesome. Obviously I too prefer the company of atheists if I have to choose but that is only because I dislike ALL religions in general. I'm just against all Muslims being called smelly, dirty, dumb fuckheads really. As for pictures, I could post up pictures of members of the FLDS or those twats who blow up abortion clinics. All religion is stupid, full stop however not all people who are religious, are brainless sheep.
Tell yourself that all religions are the same if it makes you feel warm and fuzzy. But it might be better for you to do it in the UK rather than putting your money where your mouth is and embracing the serene tolerance of Islam in Iran etc where it is the state religion. Why don't you go to Saudi Arabia and get yourself a drivers license Gus?
What a fucking lame argument ::)
Of course I'm speaking from the viewpoint of the Muslims I see in the UK not the ones in Saudi Arabia because those are the only Muslims I know. Do you know any Muslims in Saudi Arabia? Probably not either.
I brought up drivers licenses because it is one of many things you can't do in Saudi Arabia because you are female. Should the muslims make their religion the official religion of the UK that is one of many benefits you will get out of it.
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Sexist, violent, homophobic, out-dated bollocks. Anyone who subscribes to that kinda thing is making a statement about who they are as a person. What kind of person calls themself a Muslim when Islam is such a revolting religion?
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Pakis make good cricketers, and Persians made good rugs.
Persia no longer exists, BTW.
With persians, I mean iranians who aren't turks or jews. I also count some afghans as "persian". The ones who are of the same racial type as persian iranians. Imo, everything Hitler said about the jews is true when it comes to iranian people.
I would like to start a website based in a country where it's not illegal with hatespeech. It would be called "Kebab Sodomy" and bring up everything anyone would ever want to know about iranian and middle-eastern people, along with ugly caricatures. Their traditional music would be ridiculed, their food, their culture, their looks, genetics etc. An entire section would be dedicated to the low self esteem of iranian women etc etc. Ofc Islam would be bashed as well and there would be a montly Mohammed caricature contest.
Don't count yer chickens, cookie boy. Just mentioning that shit could get Interpol's radar homing in on you.
Agreed.
Do note that this sort of thing borders on breaking against the TOS since it encourages activities that are considered illegal in many countries. If I had to choose between the plastic boy wonder and this site, I'd happily give him to the wolves.
As for me, I consider all humans equal. Subhumans such as Soiledarse, however, who thrive on hatred, bigotry and racism, should be left outside, naked, come winter.
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I too have a friend in college who is a Muslim and she's awesome. Obviously I too prefer the company of atheists if I have to choose but that is only because I dislike ALL religions in general. I'm just against all Muslims being called smelly, dirty, dumb fuckheads really. As for pictures, I could post up pictures of members of the FLDS or those twats who blow up abortion clinics. All religion is stupid, full stop however not all people who are religious, are brainless sheep.
Tell yourself that all religions are the same if it makes you feel warm and fuzzy. But it might be better for you to do it in the UK rather than putting your money where your mouth is and embracing the serene tolerance of Islam in Iran etc where it is the state religion. Why don't you go to Saudi Arabia and get yourself a drivers license Gus?
What a fucking lame argument ::)
Of course I'm speaking from the viewpoint of the Muslims I see in the UK not the ones in Saudi Arabia because those are the only Muslims I know. Do you know any Muslims in Saudi Arabia? Probably not either.
I brought up drivers licenses because it is one of many things you can't do in Saudi Arabia because you are female. Should the muslims make their religion the official religion of the UK that is one of many benefits you will get out of it.
That is Sharia law which is fuck all to do with Muslims in Europe or the United States. There are extremist types who want to establish that of course but as I said, you can't judge a group of people by a few insane individuals who represent them. That's like judging Catholics by what the Pope thinks.
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Sexist, violent, homophobic, out-dated bollocks. Anyone who subscribes to that kinda thing is making a statement about who they are as a person. What kind of person calls themself a Muslim when Islam is such a revolting religion?
Christianity isn't exactly all that awesome either yet Catholics don't get the same prejudicial treatment as Muslims do.
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Actually I'll post the whole statement cause it's bloody good:
"Don't judge the Muslims that you know by Islam and
don't judge Islam by the Muslims that you know. "
Since we hear from so many critics who either don't take the time to read this site, or simply can't understand the distinction between Islam and Muslims, we thought it best to bring together in one place what we have said in so many others over the years.
Islam is an ideology. No ideology is above critique, particularly one that explicitly seeks political and social dominance over every person on the planet.
Muslims are individuals. We passionately believe that no Muslim should be harmed, harassed, stereotyped or treated any differently anywhere in the world solely on account of their status as a Muslim.
Islam is not simply a belief about God. It is a word that means Submission. Islam is a set of rules that establish a social hierarchy in which Muslims submit to Allah, women submit to men and all non-Muslims submit to Islamic rule.
Since we don't live in a Muslim country (where censorship, intimidation and brute force are shamelessly employed to protect Islam from logical deconstruction), we are still free to openly exercise our right to debate the merits of the Islamic value system against Western Liberalism.
Are men really superior to women as the Qur'an says? Are women intellectually inferior as Muhammad taught? Does propagating material (the Qur'an) that openly curses people of other religions amidst random calls to violence really make for a better social environment? Is it right to keep women as sex slaves, merely because the Qur'an explicitly allows it in multiple places? Should atheists and homosexuals have to choose between the noose and an outward profession of faith in Allah?
Yes, there are Muslims who take issue with these aspects of Islamic theology, but it doesn't change what Islam is. Don't confuse the ideology with the individual. Don't draw conclusions about Islam based on the Muslims that you know, be they terrorists or humanitarians. Islam must be understood on the basis of what it is, as presented objectively in the Qur'an, Hadith and Sira (biography of Muhammad).
By the same token, don't draw conclusions about the Muslims in your life based on the true nature of Islam. Like any other group, not all Muslims think alike. Even if there is no such thing as moderate Islam, it does not mean that there are no moderate Muslims.
If our years of dialogue with literally hundreds have taught us anything, it is that most Muslims (even devout ones) have only a superficial understanding of their religion. Most never made the choice to be Muslim, so (as with all religion) there are widely varying degrees of seriousness with which they may take the teachings of Islam.
The Muslims that you know are not terrorists. More than likely, their interests in life are similar to yours and they have the same ambitions for their children. They should neither be shunned, mistreated, nor disrespected merely because of their religion. Their property should not be abused, and neither should copies of their sacred book be vandalized.
Prejudging an individual by their group identity (or presumed group identity) is not only unethical, it is blatantly irrational, since group identity reveals absolutely nothing about a person. Every individual should be judged only on the basis of their own words and deeds.
Don't judge Islam by the Muslims that you know, and don't judge the Muslims that you know by Islam.
That statement there makes all the bombings, rapes and honor killlings mentioned on the site insignificant.
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Bloody hell Lit. I much preferred your pony :laugh:
Anyway, PPK you're fucking lame. You all say both Soleiyu and Lit are scumbags for their racist views yet some of you come out with the stupidest stuff yet that is okay isn't it? For fuck's sake, no Muslim is the same in the same way no human being is the same. It is fuck all to do with being PC. I'd just like to know, how many Muslims do you know personally? I happen to know a fair few, some are twats I do agree but in each group you find twats. This forum being the prime example.
A big :thumbdn: to you.
I have been to military trade schools with them and know some from college. Since they to tend have body odor and tried to get me to give them test answers in college I didn't care to get to know most of them any better. http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/ (http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/) You do have the option of moving to Saudi Arabia, the Sudan or Somalia to experience the loving tolerance of Islam first hand but I suspect that you won't.
:thumbdn:
As with any race, religion, and ethnic group in general, there are good ones and there are bad ones. It's like condemning every Swede because of Soiledarse. It's tempting but it's also wrong.
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Because most catholics realise that the majority of the stuff in the bible doesn't fit with the 21st century. Whereas most muslims seriously believe the crap in their book
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Bloody hell Lit. I much preferred your pony :laugh:
Anyway, PPK you're fucking lame. You all say both Soleiyu and Lit are scumbags for their racist views yet some of you come out with the stupidest stuff yet that is okay isn't it? For fuck's sake, no Muslim is the same in the same way no human being is the same. It is fuck all to do with being PC. I'd just like to know, how many Muslims do you know personally? I happen to know a fair few, some are twats I do agree but in each group you find twats. This forum being the prime example.
A big :thumbdn: to you.
I have been to military trade schools with them and know some from college. Since they to tend have body odor and tried to get me to give them test answers in college I didn't care to get to know most of them any better. http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/ (http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/) You do have the option of moving to Saudi Arabia, the Sudan or Somalia to experience the loving tolerance of Islam first hand but I suspect that you won't.
:thumbdn:
As with any race, religion, and ethnic group in general, there are good ones and there are bad ones. It's like condemning every Swede because of Soiledarse. It's tempting but it's also wrong.
Finally someone with some bloody sense! :laugh:
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Bloody hell Lit. I much preferred your pony :laugh:
Anyway, PPK you're fucking lame. You all say both Soleiyu and Lit are scumbags for their racist views yet some of you come out with the stupidest stuff yet that is okay isn't it? For fuck's sake, no Muslim is the same in the same way no human being is the same. It is fuck all to do with being PC. I'd just like to know, how many Muslims do you know personally? I happen to know a fair few, some are twats I do agree but in each group you find twats. This forum being the prime example.
A big :thumbdn: to you.
I have been to military trade schools with them and know some from college. Since they tend have body odor and tried to get me to give them test answers in college I didn't care to get to know most of them any better. http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/ (http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/) You do have the option of moving to Saudi Arabia, the Sudan or Somalia to experience the loving tolerance of Islam first hand but I suspect that you won't.
I do not agree with Islam nor do I believe in anything else since I am atheist. I don't however think of Muslims as a congregated mass who think, look or "smell" the same. Fucking hell, you make it sound as if body odour is a national (I am aware that there are Muslims in different nations but I lack a better word) trait of theirs. Just today, on the tube, I was forced against a man who bloody stank. He was white and British. Does that mean all white British males smell?
You are just as bad as Soleiyu if not worse. At least Soleiyu is upfront about being racist.
I have never claimed to like muslims. Find a fucking post where I did. It is common amonst middle easterners to simply layer cologne over sweat and I am talking about in US colleges and military trade schools where the option to shower everyday is available. Is there some particular reason that you seem to be carrying a brief for Islam? Maybe that Religion of Piece link I put up has a bunch of incorrect information in it. What parts of that website are incorrect?
Here in Europe it's a "must" to embrace Islam. Otherwise you're considered a Nazi, in principle.
Bullshit. You just try to excuse your particular brand of bigotry.
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Actually I'll post the whole statement cause it's bloody good:
"Don't judge the Muslims that you know by Islam and
don't judge Islam by the Muslims that you know. "
Since we hear from so many critics who either don't take the time to read this site, or simply can't understand the distinction between Islam and Muslims, we thought it best to bring together in one place what we have said in so many others over the years.
Islam is an ideology. No ideology is above critique, particularly one that explicitly seeks political and social dominance over every person on the planet.
Muslims are individuals. We passionately believe that no Muslim should be harmed, harassed, stereotyped or treated any differently anywhere in the world solely on account of their status as a Muslim.
Islam is not simply a belief about God. It is a word that means Submission. Islam is a set of rules that establish a social hierarchy in which Muslims submit to Allah, women submit to men and all non-Muslims submit to Islamic rule.
Since we don't live in a Muslim country (where censorship, intimidation and brute force are shamelessly employed to protect Islam from logical deconstruction), we are still free to openly exercise our right to debate the merits of the Islamic value system against Western Liberalism.
Are men really superior to women as the Qur'an says? Are women intellectually inferior as Muhammad taught? Does propagating material (the Qur'an) that openly curses people of other religions amidst random calls to violence really make for a better social environment? Is it right to keep women as sex slaves, merely because the Qur'an explicitly allows it in multiple places? Should atheists and homosexuals have to choose between the noose and an outward profession of faith in Allah?
Yes, there are Muslims who take issue with these aspects of Islamic theology, but it doesn't change what Islam is. Don't confuse the ideology with the individual. Don't draw conclusions about Islam based on the Muslims that you know, be they terrorists or humanitarians. Islam must be understood on the basis of what it is, as presented objectively in the Qur'an, Hadith and Sira (biography of Muhammad).
By the same token, don't draw conclusions about the Muslims in your life based on the true nature of Islam. Like any other group, not all Muslims think alike. Even if there is no such thing as moderate Islam, it does not mean that there are no moderate Muslims.
If our years of dialogue with literally hundreds have taught us anything, it is that most Muslims (even devout ones) have only a superficial understanding of their religion. Most never made the choice to be Muslim, so (as with all religion) there are widely varying degrees of seriousness with which they may take the teachings of Islam.
The Muslims that you know are not terrorists. More than likely, their interests in life are similar to yours and they have the same ambitions for their children. They should neither be shunned, mistreated, nor disrespected merely because of their religion. Their property should not be abused, and neither should copies of their sacred book be vandalized.
Prejudging an individual by their group identity (or presumed group identity) is not only unethical, it is blatantly irrational, since group identity reveals absolutely nothing about a person. Every individual should be judged only on the basis of their own words and deeds.
Don't judge Islam by the Muslims that you know, and don't judge the Muslims that you know by Islam.
That statement there makes all the bombings, rapes and honor killlings mentioned on the site insignificant.
As I said, Christians do that shit too. Bomb abortion clinics cause "killing God's gift to humans" is apparently more evil than outright murder. The Fundamentalist Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints? Anyone heard of that?
Because most catholics realise that the majority of the stuff in the bible doesn't fit with the 21st century. Whereas most muslims seriously believe the crap in their book
Generalisations.
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I too have a friend in college who is a Muslim and she's awesome. Obviously I too prefer the company of atheists if I have to choose but that is only because I dislike ALL religions in general. I'm just against all Muslims being called smelly, dirty, dumb fuckheads really. As for pictures, I could post up pictures of members of the FLDS or those twats who blow up abortion clinics. All religion is stupid, full stop however not all people who are religious, are brainless sheep.
Tell yourself that all religions are the same if it makes you feel warm and fuzzy. But it might be better for you to do it in the UK rather than putting your money where your mouth is and embracing the serene tolerance of Islam in Iran etc where it is the state religion. Why don't you go to Saudi Arabia and get yourself a drivers license Gus?
What a fucking lame argument ::)
Of course I'm speaking from the viewpoint of the Muslims I see in the UK not the ones in Saudi Arabia because those are the only Muslims I know. Do you know any Muslims in Saudi Arabia? Probably not either.
I brought up drivers licenses because it is one of many things you can't do in Saudi Arabia because you are female. Should the muslims make their religion the official religion of the UK that is one of many benefits you will get out of it.
The roads what be a lot safer without women drivers on them anyway.
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Those christians are just as bad
Any muslims who believe the crap their religion tells them about sex/gender/homosexuality is a twat
Any christian who believes the crap in the OT is also a twat, but here that seems to be much rarer
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I too have a friend in college who is a Muslim and she's awesome. Obviously I too prefer the company of atheists if I have to choose but that is only because I dislike ALL religions in general. I'm just against all Muslims being called smelly, dirty, dumb fuckheads really. As for pictures, I could post up pictures of members of the FLDS or those twats who blow up abortion clinics. All religion is stupid, full stop however not all people who are religious, are brainless sheep.
Tell yourself that all religions are the same if it makes you feel warm and fuzzy. But it might be better for you to do it in the UK rather than putting your money where your mouth is and embracing the serene tolerance of Islam in Iran etc where it is the state religion. Why don't you go to Saudi Arabia and get yourself a drivers license Gus?
What a fucking lame argument ::)
Of course I'm speaking from the viewpoint of the Muslims I see in the UK not the ones in Saudi Arabia because those are the only Muslims I know. Do you know any Muslims in Saudi Arabia? Probably not either.
I brought up drivers licenses because it is one of many things you can't do in Saudi Arabia because you are female. Should the muslims make their religion the official religion of the UK that is one of many benefits you will get out of it.
The roads what be a lot safer without women drivers on them anyway.
:facepalm2:
Nice, a bit of sexism is the cherry on top to this thread.
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Those christians are just as bad
Any muslims who believe the crap their religion tells them about sex/gender/homosexuality is a twat
Any christian who believes the crap in the OT is also a twat, but here that seems to be much rarer
Finally I'm getting through to you (at least I hope so) but you'd be surprised just how many Christians are there who DO believe all that shit and act on it.
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I too have a friend in college who is a Muslim and she's awesome. Obviously I too prefer the company of atheists if I have to choose but that is only because I dislike ALL religions in general. I'm just against all Muslims being called smelly, dirty, dumb fuckheads really. As for pictures, I could post up pictures of members of the FLDS or those twats who blow up abortion clinics. All religion is stupid, full stop however not all people who are religious, are brainless sheep.
Tell yourself that all religions are the same if it makes you feel warm and fuzzy. But it might be better for you to do it in the UK rather than putting your money where your mouth is and embracing the serene tolerance of Islam in Iran etc where it is the state religion. Why don't you go to Saudi Arabia and get yourself a drivers license Gus?
You're generalising to prove something you can't prove. Only around 20% of Muslims worldwide are Arabs, yet that's where you are pointing your sweeping fingers.
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People just seem to make their own rules up about christianity nowdays. The extreme christians in places like Texas are just as bad as the extreme Muslims I think. I can't see how people can live this life, like there's gonna be another one afterwards, and do some completely fucked up shit, cause God says its ok.
True.
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Those christians are just as bad
Any muslims who believe the crap their religion tells them about sex/gender/homosexuality is a twat
Any christian who believes the crap in the OT is also a twat, but here that seems to be much rarer
Finally I'm getting through to you (at least I hope so) but you'd be surprised just how many Christians are there who DO believe all that shit and act on it.
They seem to be more of a problem in america though, where they have shit healthcare and too many fat people :zoinks:
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I too have a friend in college who is a Muslim and she's awesome. Obviously I too prefer the company of atheists if I have to choose but that is only because I dislike ALL religions in general. I'm just against all Muslims being called smelly, dirty, dumb fuckheads really. As for pictures, I could post up pictures of members of the FLDS or those twats who blow up abortion clinics. All religion is stupid, full stop however not all people who are religious, are brainless sheep.
Tell yourself that all religions are the same if it makes you feel warm and fuzzy. But it might be better for you to do it in the UK rather than putting your money where your mouth is and embracing the serene tolerance of Islam in Iran etc where it is the state religion. Why don't you go to Saudi Arabia and get yourself a drivers license Gus?
What a fucking lame argument ::)
Of course I'm speaking from the viewpoint of the Muslims I see in the UK not the ones in Saudi Arabia because those are the only Muslims I know. Do you know any Muslims in Saudi Arabia? Probably not either.
I brought up drivers licenses because it is one of many things you can't do in Saudi Arabia because you are female. Should the muslims make their religion the official religion of the UK that is one of many benefits you will get out of it.
Again, too many assumptions. In what way would that be a given? (No ant-saudi propaganda, please, cos we're not talking about the saudis, we're talking about the UK Muslim population.)
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Actually I'll post the whole statement cause it's bloody good:
"Don't judge the Muslims that you know by Islam and
don't judge Islam by the Muslims that you know. "
Since we hear from so many critics who either don't take the time to read this site, or simply can't understand the distinction between Islam and Muslims, we thought it best to bring together in one place what we have said in so many others over the years.
Islam is an ideology. No ideology is above critique, particularly one that explicitly seeks political and social dominance over every person on the planet.
Muslims are individuals. We passionately believe that no Muslim should be harmed, harassed, stereotyped or treated any differently anywhere in the world solely on account of their status as a Muslim.
Islam is not simply a belief about God. It is a word that means Submission. Islam is a set of rules that establish a social hierarchy in which Muslims submit to Allah, women submit to men and all non-Muslims submit to Islamic rule.
Since we don't live in a Muslim country (where censorship, intimidation and brute force are shamelessly employed to protect Islam from logical deconstruction), we are still free to openly exercise our right to debate the merits of the Islamic value system against Western Liberalism.
Are men really superior to women as the Qur'an says? Are women intellectually inferior as Muhammad taught? Does propagating material (the Qur'an) that openly curses people of other religions amidst random calls to violence really make for a better social environment? Is it right to keep women as sex slaves, merely because the Qur'an explicitly allows it in multiple places? Should atheists and homosexuals have to choose between the noose and an outward profession of faith in Allah?
Yes, there are Muslims who take issue with these aspects of Islamic theology, but it doesn't change what Islam is. Don't confuse the ideology with the individual. Don't draw conclusions about Islam based on the Muslims that you know, be they terrorists or humanitarians. Islam must be understood on the basis of what it is, as presented objectively in the Qur'an, Hadith and Sira (biography of Muhammad).
By the same token, don't draw conclusions about the Muslims in your life based on the true nature of Islam. Like any other group, not all Muslims think alike. Even if there is no such thing as moderate Islam, it does not mean that there are no moderate Muslims.
If our years of dialogue with literally hundreds have taught us anything, it is that most Muslims (even devout ones) have only a superficial understanding of their religion. Most never made the choice to be Muslim, so (as with all religion) there are widely varying degrees of seriousness with which they may take the teachings of Islam.
The Muslims that you know are not terrorists. More than likely, their interests in life are similar to yours and they have the same ambitions for their children. They should neither be shunned, mistreated, nor disrespected merely because of their religion. Their property should not be abused, and neither should copies of their sacred book be vandalized.
Prejudging an individual by their group identity (or presumed group identity) is not only unethical, it is blatantly irrational, since group identity reveals absolutely nothing about a person. Every individual should be judged only on the basis of their own words and deeds.
Don't judge Islam by the Muslims that you know, and don't judge the Muslims that you know by Islam.
That statement there makes all the bombings, rapes and honor killlings mentioned on the site insignificant.
As I said, Christians do that shit too. Bomb abortion clinics cause "killing God's gift to humans" is apparently more evil than outright murder. The Fundamentalist Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints? Anyone heard of that?
Because most catholics realise that the majority of the stuff in the bible doesn't fit with the 21st century. Whereas most muslims seriously believe the crap in their book
Generalisations.
I too have a friend in college who is a Muslim and she's awesome. Obviously I too prefer the company of atheists if I have to choose but that is only because I dislike ALL religions in general. I'm just against all Muslims being called smelly, dirty, dumb fuckheads really. As for pictures, I could post up pictures of members of the FLDS or those twats who blow up abortion clinics. All religion is stupid, full stop however not all people who are religious, are brainless sheep.
Tell yourself that all religions are the same if it makes you feel warm and fuzzy. But it might be better for you to do it in the UK rather than putting your money where your mouth is and embracing the serene tolerance of Islam in Iran etc where it is the state religion. Why don't you go to Saudi Arabia and get yourself a drivers license Gus?
You're generalising to prove something you can't prove. Only around 20% of Muslims worldwide are Arabs, yet that's where you are pointing your sweeping fingers.
You mean women are allowed drivers licenses in Saudi Arabia? While the most virulent strains of Islam do tend to be in the Arab countries that does not keep Islamic jihad attacks from happening in Bali, Thailand, Phillipines and other areas.
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Sexist, violent, homophobic, out-dated bollocks. Anyone who subscribes to that kinda thing is making a statement about who they are as a person. What kind of person calls themself a Muslim when Islam is such a revolting religion?
Because that's not all that it is, just as Christianity is not about, say, keeping your woman at home even though the Bible say it's OK.
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Sexist, violent, homophobic, out-dated bollocks. Anyone who subscribes to that kinda thing is making a statement about who they are as a person. What kind of person calls themself a Muslim when Islam is such a revolting religion?
Because that's not all that it is, just as Christianity is not about, say, keeping your woman at home even though the Bible say it's OK.
It's a big part of it
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Because most catholics realise that the majority of the stuff in the bible doesn't fit with the 21st century. Whereas most muslims seriously believe the crap in their book
Er, no. Most Muslims don't give a shit, just as most Christians don't give a shit.
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I too have a friend in college who is a Muslim and she's awesome. Obviously I too prefer the company of atheists if I have to choose but that is only because I dislike ALL religions in general. I'm just against all Muslims being called smelly, dirty, dumb fuckheads really. As for pictures, I could post up pictures of members of the FLDS or those twats who blow up abortion clinics. All religion is stupid, full stop however not all people who are religious, are brainless sheep.
Tell yourself that all religions are the same if it makes you feel warm and fuzzy. But it might be better for you to do it in the UK rather than putting your money where your mouth is and embracing the serene tolerance of Islam in Iran etc where it is the state religion. Why don't you go to Saudi Arabia and get yourself a drivers license Gus?
What a fucking lame argument ::)
Of course I'm speaking from the viewpoint of the Muslims I see in the UK not the ones in Saudi Arabia because those are the only Muslims I know. Do you know any Muslims in Saudi Arabia? Probably not either.
I brought up drivers licenses because it is one of many things you can't do in Saudi Arabia because you are female. Should the muslims make their religion the official religion of the UK that is one of many benefits you will get out of it.
The roads what be a lot safer without women drivers on them anyway.
:facepalm2:
Nice, a bit of sexism is the cherry on top to this thread.
I *think* he is kidding, actually. Anyway, that's how I chose to see it.
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Those christians are just as bad
Any muslims who believe the crap their religion tells them about sex/gender/homosexuality is a twat
Any christian who believes the crap in the OT is also a twat, but here that seems to be much rarer
Finally I'm getting through to you (at least I hope so) but you'd be surprised just how many Christians are there who DO believe all that shit and act on it.
They seem to be more of a problem in america though, where they have shit healthcare and too many fat people :zoinks:
Not really.
http://www.talk2action.org/story/2008/5/22/111956/477/Front_Page/From_the_UK_Fundamentally_Flawed
http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2008/may/21/fundamentallyflawed
http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/1978
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Because most catholics realise that the majority of the stuff in the bible doesn't fit with the 21st century. Whereas most muslims seriously believe the crap in their book
Er, no. Most Muslims don't give a shit, just as most Christians don't give a shit.
most muslims here follow their religion. Most christians here don't go to church or read the bible or anything.
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I too have a friend in college who is a Muslim and she's awesome. Obviously I too prefer the company of atheists if I have to choose but that is only because I dislike ALL religions in general. I'm just against all Muslims being called smelly, dirty, dumb fuckheads really. As for pictures, I could post up pictures of members of the FLDS or those twats who blow up abortion clinics. All religion is stupid, full stop however not all people who are religious, are brainless sheep.
Tell yourself that all religions are the same if it makes you feel warm and fuzzy. But it might be better for you to do it in the UK rather than putting your money where your mouth is and embracing the serene tolerance of Islam in Iran etc where it is the state religion. Why don't you go to Saudi Arabia and get yourself a drivers license Gus?
What a fucking lame argument ::)
Of course I'm speaking from the viewpoint of the Muslims I see in the UK not the ones in Saudi Arabia because those are the only Muslims I know. Do you know any Muslims in Saudi Arabia? Probably not either.
I brought up drivers licenses because it is one of many things you can't do in Saudi Arabia because you are female. Should the muslims make their religion the official religion of the UK that is one of many benefits you will get out of it.
The roads what be a lot safer without women drivers on them anyway.
:facepalm2:
Nice, a bit of sexism is the cherry on top to this thread.
People who generalize others and stuff make me laugh. People who get annoyed about it, make me sick.
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Those christians are just as bad
Any muslims who believe the crap their religion tells them about sex/gender/homosexuality is a twat
Any christian who believes the crap in the OT is also a twat, but here that seems to be much rarer
Finally I'm getting through to you (at least I hope so) but you'd be surprised just how many Christians are there who DO believe all that shit and act on it.
They seem to be more of a problem in america though, where they have shit healthcare and too many fat people :zoinks:
Not really.
http://www.talk2action.org/story/2008/5/22/111956/477/Front_Page/From_the_UK_Fundamentally_Flawed
http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2008/may/21/fundamentallyflawed
http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/1978
there are obviously plenty of wankers here to. But I don't think we have it half as bad as they do in the US
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You mean women are allowed drivers licenses in Saudi Arabia? While the most virulent strains of Islam do tend to be in the Arab countries that does not keep Islamic jihad attacks from happening in Bali, Thailand, Phillipines and other areas.
No, reread what I wrote if you think that's what I meant. In no way am I defending what goes on in Saudi Arabia. What I'm trying to say that it's not true of all Islam, far from it. It certainly won't be true in the UK, regardless of what happens--having some loud-mouthed Muslim morons there shout that from the rooftops won't automatically mean that every Muslim is in favour.
I don't defend fundies, regardless of their religion, I defend the ordinary people who just want to live their lives in peace, without fundies OR racists destroying everything for them.
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People just seem to make their own rules up about christianity nowdays. The extreme christians in places like Texas are just as bad as the extreme Muslims I think. I can't see how people can live this life, like there's gonna be another one afterwards, and do some completely fucked up shit, cause God says its ok.
True.
:o did someone grate crack on your cornflakes this morning, you're not meant to agree with me.
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I too have a friend in college who is a Muslim and she's awesome. Obviously I too prefer the company of atheists if I have to choose but that is only because I dislike ALL religions in general. I'm just against all Muslims being called smelly, dirty, dumb fuckheads really. As for pictures, I could post up pictures of members of the FLDS or those twats who blow up abortion clinics. All religion is stupid, full stop however not all people who are religious, are brainless sheep.
Tell yourself that all religions are the same if it makes you feel warm and fuzzy. But it might be better for you to do it in the UK rather than putting your money where your mouth is and embracing the serene tolerance of Islam in Iran etc where it is the state religion. Why don't you go to Saudi Arabia and get yourself a drivers license Gus?
What a fucking lame argument ::)
Of course I'm speaking from the viewpoint of the Muslims I see in the UK not the ones in Saudi Arabia because those are the only Muslims I know. Do you know any Muslims in Saudi Arabia? Probably not either.
I brought up drivers licenses because it is one of many things you can't do in Saudi Arabia because you are female. Should the muslims make their religion the official religion of the UK that is one of many benefits you will get out of it.
The roads what be a lot safer without women drivers on them anyway.
:facepalm2:
Nice, a bit of sexism is the cherry on top to this thread.
People who generalize others and stuff make me laugh. People who get annoyed about it, make me sick.
Good, cause you make me sick too.
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Sexist, violent, homophobic, out-dated bollocks. Anyone who subscribes to that kinda thing is making a statement about who they are as a person. What kind of person calls themself a Muslim when Islam is such a revolting religion?
Because that's not all that it is, just as Christianity is not about, say, keeping your woman at home even though the Bible say it's OK.
It's a big part of it
Unless you're going to prove that, I'm simply going to ignore it. People should be innocent until proven guilty.
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what's with the weird ninja-shit the women wear then?
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I too have a friend in college who is a Muslim and she's awesome. Obviously I too prefer the company of atheists if I have to choose but that is only because I dislike ALL religions in general. I'm just against all Muslims being called smelly, dirty, dumb fuckheads really. As for pictures, I could post up pictures of members of the FLDS or those twats who blow up abortion clinics. All religion is stupid, full stop however not all people who are religious, are brainless sheep.
Tell yourself that all religions are the same if it makes you feel warm and fuzzy. But it might be better for you to do it in the UK rather than putting your money where your mouth is and embracing the serene tolerance of Islam in Iran etc where it is the state religion. Why don't you go to Saudi Arabia and get yourself a drivers license Gus?
What a fucking lame argument ::)
Of course I'm speaking from the viewpoint of the Muslims I see in the UK not the ones in Saudi Arabia because those are the only Muslims I know. Do you know any Muslims in Saudi Arabia? Probably not either.
I brought up drivers licenses because it is one of many things you can't do in Saudi Arabia because you are female. Should the muslims make their religion the official religion of the UK that is one of many benefits you will get out of it.
The roads what be a lot safer without women drivers on them anyway.
:facepalm2:
Nice, a bit of sexism is the cherry on top to this thread.
People who generalize others and stuff make me laugh. People who get annoyed about it, make me sick.
Good, cause you make me sick too.
Good, you should be thanking me. Thats why all the comfort food you've been ramming down your gob hasn't made you even fatter.
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Because most catholics realise that the majority of the stuff in the bible doesn't fit with the 21st century. Whereas most muslims seriously believe the crap in their book
Er, no. Most Muslims don't give a shit, just as most Christians don't give a shit.
most muslims here follow their religion. Most christians here don't go to church or read the bible or anything.
Define "follow their religion", providing pertinent quotes where need be, and then explain how that makes them into rabid fundies.
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People just seem to make their own rules up about christianity nowdays. The extreme christians in places like Texas are just as bad as the extreme Muslims I think. I can't see how people can live this life, like there's gonna be another one afterwards, and do some completely fucked up shit, cause God says its ok.
True.
:o did someone grate crack on your cornflakes this morning, you're not meant to agree with me.
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Must be the coffee I drank earlier.
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Those christians are just as bad
Any muslims who believe the crap their religion tells them about sex/gender/homosexuality is a twat
Any christian who believes the crap in the OT is also a twat, but here that seems to be much rarer
Finally I'm getting through to you (at least I hope so) but you'd be surprised just how many Christians are there who DO believe all that shit and act on it.
They seem to be more of a problem in america though, where they have shit healthcare and too many fat people :zoinks:
Not really.
http://www.talk2action.org/story/2008/5/22/111956/477/Front_Page/From_the_UK_Fundamentally_Flawed
http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2008/may/21/fundamentallyflawed
http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/1978
there are obviously plenty of wankers here to. But I don't think we have it half as bad as they do in the US
If you're not arsed to read all those, just read this one:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/1975933/Christian-fundamentalists-fighting-spiritual-battle-in-Parliament.html
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Benji, are you a smelly paki? :zoinks:
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what's with the weird ninja-shit the women wear then?
How does that equal "most"?
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Because most catholics realise that the majority of the stuff in the bible doesn't fit with the 21st century. Whereas most muslims seriously believe the crap in their book
Er, no. Most Muslims don't give a shit, just as most Christians don't give a shit.
most muslims here follow their religion. Most christians here don't go to church or read the bible or anything.
Define "follow their religion", providing pertinent quotes where need be, and then explain how that makes them into rabid fundies.
they go to the mosque. the majority of people here who say they're christian aren't really. they were just raised as christians.
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I too have a friend in college who is a Muslim and she's awesome. Obviously I too prefer the company of atheists if I have to choose but that is only because I dislike ALL religions in general. I'm just against all Muslims being called smelly, dirty, dumb fuckheads really. As for pictures, I could post up pictures of members of the FLDS or those twats who blow up abortion clinics. All religion is stupid, full stop however not all people who are religious, are brainless sheep.
Tell yourself that all religions are the same if it makes you feel warm and fuzzy. But it might be better for you to do it in the UK rather than putting your money where your mouth is and embracing the serene tolerance of Islam in Iran etc where it is the state religion. Why don't you go to Saudi Arabia and get yourself a drivers license Gus?
What a fucking lame argument ::)
Of course I'm speaking from the viewpoint of the Muslims I see in the UK not the ones in Saudi Arabia because those are the only Muslims I know. Do you know any Muslims in Saudi Arabia? Probably not either.
I brought up drivers licenses because it is one of many things you can't do in Saudi Arabia because you are female. Should the muslims make their religion the official religion of the UK that is one of many benefits you will get out of it.
The roads what be a lot safer without women drivers on them anyway.
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Nice, a bit of sexism is the cherry on top to this thread.
People who generalize others and stuff make me laugh. People who get annoyed about it, make me sick.
Good, cause you make me sick too.
Good, you should be thanking me. Thats why all the comfort food you've been ramming down your gob hasn't made you even fatter.
I was technically underweight actually the last time I weighed myself two weeks ago. Still, you're as charming as ever ;)
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Because most catholics realise that the majority of the stuff in the bible doesn't fit with the 21st century. Whereas most muslims seriously believe the crap in their book
Er, no. Most Muslims don't give a shit, just as most Christians don't give a shit.
most muslims here follow their religion. Most christians here don't go to church or read the bible or anything.
Define "follow their religion", providing pertinent quotes where need be, and then explain how that makes them into rabid fundies.
they go to the mosque. the majority of people here who say they're christian aren't really. they were just raised as christians.
Haha, that actually made me laugh. You clearly haven't a clue what Muslims actually do, do you? As for being raised in a religion, don't you think the same thing happens to most Muslims too?
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Benji, are you a smelly paki? :zoinks:
Lol, i'm not a paki, I smell like cum though :wanker:
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what's with the weird ninja-shit the women wear then?
How does that equal "most"?
Most what? I can't remember which quote you mean
bint - I remember that. I still don't think the christians here are as bad as the muslims though. I still think they're a bunch of twats and should be kept out of politics altogether, but it's not as much of a problem as Islam
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Because most catholics realise that the majority of the stuff in the bible doesn't fit with the 21st century. Whereas most muslims seriously believe the crap in their book
Er, no. Most Muslims don't give a shit, just as most Christians don't give a shit.
most muslims here follow their religion. Most christians here don't go to church or read the bible or anything.
Define "follow their religion", providing pertinent quotes where need be, and then explain how that makes them into rabid fundies.
they go to the mosque. the majority of people here who say they're christian aren't really. they were just raised as christians.
How large a percentage of the Muslim population does this? Please provide sources for the information and then explain how it makes them into rabid fundies.
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Haha, that actually made me laugh. You clearly haven't a clue what Muslims actually do, do you? As for being raised in a religion, don't you think the same thing happens to most Muslims too?
I'm no expert in it. I'm not interested enough really. I see more muslims fasting and taking an active part in their religion than I do christians though
although tbh I don't see why this is about christians-muslims. I think they're both complete cunts
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Because most catholics realise that the majority of the stuff in the bible doesn't fit with the 21st century. Whereas most muslims seriously believe the crap in their book
Er, no. Most Muslims don't give a shit, just as most Christians don't give a shit.
most muslims here follow their religion. Most christians here don't go to church or read the bible or anything.
Define "follow their religion", providing pertinent quotes where need be, and then explain how that makes them into rabid fundies.
they go to the mosque. the majority of people here who say they're christian aren't really. they were just raised as christians.
How large a percentage of the Muslim population does this? Please provide sources for the information and then explain how it makes them into rabid fundies.
It doesn't necessarily make them rabid fundies. It shows they actually buy the shit their religion tells them though. And I can't be arsed looking up percentages. I don't really care enough tbh. Half of what I've said might be completely wrong, but I'm going by what I see here at university etc.
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what's with the weird ninja-shit the women wear then?
How does that equal "most"?
Most what? I can't remember which quote you mean
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Never mind, if this is what the discussion is going to be like. ::)
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what's with the weird ninja-shit the women wear then?
How does that equal "most"?
Most what? I can't remember which quote you mean
bint - I remember that. I still don't think the christians here are as bad as the muslims though. I still think they're a bunch of twats and should be kept out of politics altogether, but it's not as much of a problem as Islam
I would actually say it's more of a problem cause they are in Parliament/have access or means to influencing legislation. How many Muslims are in Parliament or have any influence currently in the UK? Either a pathetically small number or none.
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Haha, that actually made me laugh. You clearly haven't a clue what Muslims actually do, do you? As for being raised in a religion, don't you think the same thing happens to most Muslims too?
I'm no expert in it. I'm not interested enough really. I see more muslims fasting and taking an active part in their religion than I do christians though
although tbh I don't see why this is about christians-muslims. I think they're both complete cunts
I'm just using Christians as a comparison. They are both cunts I agree which is what I have been trying to tell you all. All religions are shit, all religious people are different to each other and not all are necessarily shit just because they are religious.
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Because most catholics realise that the majority of the stuff in the bible doesn't fit with the 21st century. Whereas most muslims seriously believe the crap in their book
Er, no. Most Muslims don't give a shit, just as most Christians don't give a shit.
most muslims here follow their religion. Most christians here don't go to church or read the bible or anything.
Define "follow their religion", providing pertinent quotes where need be, and then explain how that makes them into rabid fundies.
they go to the mosque. the majority of people here who say they're christian aren't really. they were just raised as christians.
How large a percentage of the Muslim population does this? Please provide sources for the information and then explain how it makes them into rabid fundies.
It doesn't necessarily make them rabid fundies. It shows they actually buy the shit their religion tells them though. And I can't be arsed looking up percentages. I don't really care enough tbh. Half of what I've said might be completely wrong, but I'm going by what I see here at university etc.
In other words, you have no clue. You're just posting completely unsubstantiated bollocks because you don't like the Muslims.
Just say so, you know, instead of trying to hide behind some false shield of legitimacy.
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I thought it was already clear I didn't like most muslims :-\
I don't like most christians either
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oh and yeah, don't expect some great discussion out of me about this - I don't care much about it and don't know enough about it.
I hate religion, and from what I've read of Islam, I think it's worse than Christianity
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I thought it was already clear I didn't like most muslims :-\
I don't like most christians either
It was clear, Soph. What I reacted against was when you started saying things like "most" Muslims [in the UK] do this or that when you clearly had no clue.
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OK, I generalise
I have no figures and I'm too lazy to look any up
When I say most, I mean from what I see here (mainly around my university campus)
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I'll only down people for their religion if they try to force feed it to me. However, I will take the piss out of their religions for laughs, even if they're not fundamentalist. Couldn't give a shite if it offends.
Couldn't give a shit about Islam, sure it's a shit religion but I won't bother them if they don't bother me. The extremists are not counted, since they bother *everyone*. :zoinks:
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I'm not gonna try and stop people practising their reliigon if that's what they wanna do. I just think Islam is a complete load of shit. Sure, I don't know it in detail. But even if the rest of it is a "peaceful" religon, the stuff that I do know outweighs that.
I actually feel more strongly about disestablishing the Church of England than I do about anything to do with ISlam. But the Islam stuff tends to get more attention because you're racist if you don't like them.
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I can't be arsed reading the whole thread. You're being accused of being racist because you think Islam is shit?
Uh, okay.
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IMO us in the West are being manipulated by our so-called leaders and the media into hating Muslims, just as they are being manipulated by their so-called leaders and media into hating us. The sensible ones realize that stereotypes do not equal entire cultures, and evaluate people (as Korzybski suggested) as individuals-as-a-whole rather than as part of a group. Ergo, you don't say semantic nonsense like "All Jews/Muslims/Xtians" are, you evaluate them on a case-by-case basis: Muslim1, Muslim2, etc.
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I'm not gonna try and stop people practising their reliigon if that's what they wanna do. I just think Islam is a complete load of shit. Sure, I don't know it in detail. But even if the rest of it is a "peaceful" religon, the stuff that I do know outweighs that.
I actually feel more strongly about disestablishing the Church of England than I do about anything to do with ISlam. But the Islam stuff tends to get more attention because you're racist if you don't like them.
No, you aren't. The technical term is bigot. ;) :P
Edit: I'm sort of kidding--no, you are not necessarily a bigot if you don't like Islam. You become one by generalising, by saying that every Muslim is (something or the other) because you've seen a few like that. There's a big difference.
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That's ok then :thumbup:
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:finger:
That is what I say to this thread! I wish it would go away! Very offensive!
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Met some I liked and even called friends on the other hand met some real nutters too. I feel they are really like everyone else when in comes down to one on one contact
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I'm a bigot and proud of it.
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Soleiyu is BRAVE! :agreed:
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It's brave to be proud that you're an idiot?
Man, am I on the wrong...oops, almost said it! :P
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I'm not gonna try and stop people practising their reliigon if that's what they wanna do. I just think Islam is a complete load of shit. Sure, I don't know it in detail. But even if the rest of it is a "peaceful" religon, the stuff that I do know outweighs that.
I actually feel more strongly about disestablishing the Church of England than I do about anything to do with ISlam. But the Islam stuff tends to get more attention because you're racist if you don't like them.
Nah, peace lies in subtraction.
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What can I say if I can find someone I like I don't care about the other stuff it's a rare find in itself
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Look at these ninja terrorists:
(http://img7.imageshack.us/img7/4742/muslimwomenallahblesshi.jpg)
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(http://media.collegepublisher.com/media/paper247/stills/788aot79.jpg)
Christian counterpart :zoinks:
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But they're not as cowardly with their ninja masks :-[
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I don't know many Muslims, if any at all. I can only go by what is in the media, and the papers and TV paint a nasty picture of them. That doesn't mean ALL of them are like that. It's basically the teachings that have come from their Imams and scholars that have made them into what they are, and the fundie/sharia ones are the extreme example. Christians have their lot of arseholes as well - but with them the media etc paints a picture of sweetness and light about them, even though they are as rabid as the fundie Muslims. That is one of the main reasons I became pagan, becuase I thought that the representation we were getting of religion, the beliefs behind it, and the practicing thereof was all being manipulated. Governments, church groups, media etc are the real ones to blame for all this hatred and stereotyping, and the teaching by each of the religions also goes a long way toward spreading this hatred.
I mean, why do they always talk about a 'god of love' when so many people are being killed in the name of this god, whether it's Allah or Jehovah? Fucking bullshit logic.
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Look at these ninja terrorists:
(http://img7.imageshack.us/img7/4742/muslimwomenallahblesshi.jpg)
Hey, they seem like TheoK's and Weeboo's type of people.
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This is Big Brother. Could Weeaboo, Lit and Benjina go to the diary room.
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But they're not as cowardly with their ninja masks :-[
What those women are wearing are nijabs or face coverings. The coverings many female Muslims wear vary from head coverings or Hijabs to those I have mentioned which cover the face to the infamous burka. If a Muslim woman in western countries is wearing such things, they are saying she is an observant Muslim.
I am not one to generalize ethnic and minority groups. However many Muslims even in the west want secular man-made laws and the equality for all under the law replaced by Islamic Sharia law. Under sharia law, non-Muslims and women aren't equal in the law to Muslim males, out of those people who want sharia law to replace secular law. There are some who are prepared to wage war or commit acts of terrorism to achieve these stated aims. Al Qaeda is the most famous of these organizations fighting for implementation of Islamic law at least in the Islamic countries.
I will make no bones about it, but the Islamic fundamentalists are far worse than their Christian counterparts. That has to do with Islam having a set of god-given religious law, rather similar to the Talmud in Judaism, however Muslims are used to being the ruling class rather than the ruled class (like the Jews have had to experience). That meaning in the Islamic world there has never been a strict separation between the spiritual and secular authorities, like there was in the Christian world.
Mind you my opinions about Christian and Muslim fundamentalists are also a result of myself being a straight male. I am not affected by christian fundamentalists bashing homosexuals. While as a non-muslim who is willing to defend secular law and the equality of all before the law, I am in the trigger hairs of the Islamic fundamentalists.
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I agree with the OP.
:M
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I view them as the lowest races. Beneath africans, whiter jews and latinos even.
I've tried to accept them but I just can't. I find the entire racial type disgusting.
Failtroll fails.
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