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Re: Stoning
« Reply #30 on: March 25, 2008, 07:10:15 PM »
Ah ok. I agree there then.

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Re: Stoning
« Reply #31 on: March 25, 2008, 08:07:42 PM »
and rape isn't about sex. they would still be hungry for power over someone helpless.

Yes and no. Like I've said, there are different kinds of rape.
Which is kind of why I don't like them being lumped together. Nothing
to do with 'aggravating circumstances' (though they seldom happen when
rape IS about sex). I don't know if the penalty should be different, as the
effect on the victim may be the same (though I doubt this - but how can one
tell? Every victim is different).

Most people agree that rape is an act of violence, power, and control, Calandale.

Just because you raped a woman that does not make you an authority on the subject.

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Re: Stoning
« Reply #32 on: March 25, 2008, 08:13:18 PM »
and rape isn't about sex. they would still be hungry for power over someone helpless.

Yes and no. Like I've said, there are different kinds of rape.
Which is kind of why I don't like them being lumped together. Nothing
to do with 'aggravating circumstances' (though they seldom happen when
rape IS about sex). I don't know if the penalty should be different, as the
effect on the victim may be the same (though I doubt this - but how can one
tell? Every victim is different).

Most people agree that rape is an act of violence, power, and control, Calandale.

Just because you raped a woman that does not make you an authority on the subject.

Isn't he uniquely qualified to report on his own motivations?
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Re: Stoning
« Reply #33 on: March 25, 2008, 08:16:06 PM »
and rape isn't about sex. they would still be hungry for power over someone helpless.

Yes and no. Like I've said, there are different kinds of rape.
Which is kind of why I don't like them being lumped together. Nothing
to do with 'aggravating circumstances' (though they seldom happen when
rape IS about sex). I don't know if the penalty should be different, as the
effect on the victim may be the same (though I doubt this - but how can one
tell? Every victim is different).

Most people agree that rape is an act of violence, power, and control, Calandale.

Just because you raped a woman that does not make you an authority on the subject.

Isn't he uniquely qualified to report on his own motivations?

Didn't he say that he raped that woman out of anger because she threatened some of his games?

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Re: Stoning
« Reply #34 on: March 25, 2008, 08:31:29 PM »


Most people agree that rape is an act of violence, power, and control, Calandale.

Just because you raped a woman that does not make you an authority on the subject.

Got NOTHING to do with my experience, which was entirely those things.
Indeed, there was little  sexual about the whole experience.

However, slipping some girl a mickey, or pushing someone down during
a date probably has much more to do with sex.

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Re: Stoning
« Reply #35 on: March 25, 2008, 08:32:15 PM »


Isn't he uniquely qualified to report on his own motivations?

Yes. But, this is a belief that I held from before.
I see what I did as far worse.

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Re: Stoning
« Reply #36 on: March 25, 2008, 08:33:37 PM »

Didn't he say that he raped that woman out of anger because she threatened some of his games?

No. Never that. I beat her for that.
I don't even know the why of the rape.
It was something she was trying to
unleash in me - but neither of us knew what
it was. We both knew it was violent though.

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Re: Stoning
« Reply #37 on: March 25, 2008, 09:31:11 PM »


Most people agree that rape is an act of violence, power, and control, Calandale.

Just because you raped a woman that does not make you an authority on the subject.

Got NOTHING to do with my experience, which was entirely those things.
Indeed, there was little  sexual about the whole experience.

However, slipping some girl a mickey, or pushing someone down during
a date probably has much more to do with sex.

I think that slipping a date rape drug into a woman's drink is more about power and control than about the sex, too.

Do you mean pushing the woman down to rape her is not about power and control? 

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Re: Stoning
« Reply #38 on: March 25, 2008, 09:37:45 PM »


I think that slipping a date rape drug into a woman's drink is more about power and control than about the sex, too.

Do you mean pushing the woman down to rape her is not about power and control? 

I can't be certain, because I KNOW I would never
do anything like that, for sex. But, I rather suspect
that extreme desire can move those with little self-
control. I've done some things that are pretty damned
foul, without any feelings of power, for sex alone. I suspect
that some feel that a woman might be willing, but unwilling
to say so.

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Re: Stoning
« Reply #39 on: March 25, 2008, 09:38:49 PM »
My boyfriend also believes child rapists and molesters should be put do death. What if there was castration? Take off their balls and they won’t hurt another child but unfortunately it’s seen as a cruel and unusual punishment. But it’s better than having them going out and hurting children and if they are asexual, they won’t hurt children. But here is the problem, what if they were innocent? Men have been accused of molesting a child.
So it made me reconsider about it.

Eunuchs can still molest with their hands.   Just because a guy has no balls and dick, doesn't mean he can fondle and violate a child.   These people are sick mentally as they always minimalize their actions and try to justify what they do.    The psychologist that works in the same office building as me won't even see child molesters since they rarely change or rehab at all.   Murderers have a better rehabilitation rate lol.   There is a history of eunuchs doing sexual shit to people anyways, it stops very little.
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Re: Stoning
« Reply #40 on: March 25, 2008, 09:41:27 PM »
Eunuchs can still molest with their hands.   Just because a guy has no balls and dick, doesn't mean he can fondle and violate a child.   These people are sick mentally as they always minimalize their actions and try to justify what they do.    The psychologist that works in the same office building as me won't even see child molesters since they rarely change or rehab at all.   Murderers have a better rehabilitation rate lol.   There is a history of eunuchs doing sexual shit to people anyways, it stops very little.

Yes. Hell, I can NEVER trust myself again.

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Re: Stoning
« Reply #41 on: March 26, 2008, 01:23:27 PM »
My boyfriend also believes child rapists and molesters should be put do death. What if there was castration? Take off their balls and they won’t hurt another child but unfortunately it’s seen as a cruel and unusual punishment. But it’s better than having them going out and hurting children and if they are asexual, they won’t hurt children. But here is the problem, what if they were innocent? Men have been accused of molesting a child.
So it made me reconsider about it.

Eunuchs can still molest with their hands.   Just because a guy has no balls and dick, doesn't mean he can fondle and violate a child.   These people are sick mentally as they always minimalize their actions and try to justify what they do.    The psychologist that works in the same office building as me won't even see child molesters since they rarely change or rehab at all.   Murderers have a better rehabilitation rate lol.   There is a history of eunuchs doing sexual shit to people anyways, it stops very little.

I have been told by people, even by my old shrink that if you remove a guy's balls, it makes them weak, effects their hormones and I was told they won't have a sex drive so therefore they won't be sexually attracted to anyone. My boyfriend even told me removing their balls takes away their sex drive and they won't want to molest a child because there is no sex feeling. They won't even have sexual fantasies about them either. Maybe all those people were wrong whom told me? Shrinks can be wrong too. They're not perfect.

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Re: Stoning
« Reply #42 on: March 26, 2008, 03:02:15 PM »
and rape isn't about sex. they would still be hungry for power over someone helpless.

Yes and no. Like I've said, there are different kinds of rape.
Which is kind of why I don't like them being lumped together. Nothing
to do with 'aggravating circumstances' (though they seldom happen when
rape IS about sex). I don't know if the penalty should be different, as the
effect on the victim may be the same (though I doubt this - but how can one
tell? Every victim is different).

Most people agree that rape is an act of violence, power, and control, Calandale.

Just because you raped a woman that does not make you an authority on the subject.

Aw, you just ruined his fantasy now. :(

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Re: Stoning
« Reply #43 on: March 26, 2008, 10:11:58 PM »


I think that slipping a date rape drug into a woman's drink is more about power and control than about the sex, too.

Do you mean pushing the woman down to rape her is not about power and control? 

I can't be certain, because I KNOW I would never
do anything like that, for sex. But, I rather suspect
that extreme desire can move those with little self-
control. I've done some things that are pretty damned
foul, without any feelings of power, for sex alone. I suspect
that some feel that a woman might be willing, but unwilling
to say so.
I was raped on a date, under circumstances that Cal describes above.  The guy had poor self-control and I wasn't able to read the signs, plus we'd both been drinking.  Afterwards his roommate came in and tried to rape me too, but I had a meltdown and they thought I was having a seizure.  They both panicked, and the other guy ran.  My "date" was very apologetic and terrified that I was going to call the cops.  I didn't report him because I was scared to death of him by that point, and I also blamed myself for what happened.  My brains were already pretty scrambled from the AS and from other things in my life, so I just added it to the list of my own "mistakes." 

I've only recently started to remember and deal with this experience.  It's been unpleasant to ponder, but I guess it's doing me some good to finally face it.   :-\

At the time it happened, I wasn't thinking of revenge.  I was just wanting it to never have happened at all, so I denied it.  If I had to assign a punishment to that guy for what happened, I have no idea what it'd be. 

I realize that every rape is "different," but I do agree with Cal that sometimes it's a lack of sexual self-control that's involved, more than a pre-meditated act of power and control over the woman. 
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Re: Stoning
« Reply #44 on: March 26, 2008, 10:13:46 PM »
I would kill bastards like that.

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