America, fuck yeah!

[Calavera]

In my humble opinion you are not an intellectual if you believe in God, because a person who believes in something without reason has a flawed intellect.

Didn't really mean to prompt you to change your statement to an emotionally honest one, but that was awesome, Lit.

I don't fully agree with Lit here. An intellect could still believe in something and acknowledge he has no basis for such a belief.

[odeon]

We all believe in things without reason. Do you claim that every thought and belief that you have is perfectly rational?

No, but I would never believe in something as stupid as God just because I felt the urge to have some kind of superior authority or because I couldn't believe in the scientific theories about universe. Believing in God or Allah or whatever is to put stupidity in system.

Lit: Do you ever elect police officers in Sweden? We elect sheriffs in America.

No, we don't, but the whole system with having a police is wrong. The whole system of having a state is wrong. It's actually almost as wrong as believing in God. The sickest thing is that people don't understand that things like genocide, slavery etc. are just possible because states exist but claim that it would be worse in an anarchy. In an anarchy no one would have the tools for genocide, slavery etc, because you need a hierarchy and a monopoly on violence to oppress people to start with.

In America you believe or pretend to believe that you are some kind of revolutionaries, but someone supporting a government is never a revolutionary.

It's ridiculously obvious. You have 1000 persons. You give each of them an identical gun. Who would be able to oppress someone else? No one. That's how an anarchy works. In the state you take away the guns or "allow" private citizens to own pistols and semi-automatic rifles. The state owns machine guns, cannons, tanks, missiles, atom bombs!. Still people are unable or unwilling to see this, because it's a very unpleasant fact.

Besides, this thread is not called "America, fuck no!"

Whatever.

You've actually listed a number of your beliefs, above. You don't have any proof, yet here they are, stated as facts. You do this a lot.

/shrugs

[odeon]

In my humble opinion you are not an intellectual if you believe in God, because a person who believes in something without reason has a flawed intellect.

Didn't really mean to prompt you to change your statement to an emotionally honest one, but that was awesome, Lit.

I don't fully agree with Lit here. An intellect could still believe in something and acknowledge he has no basis for such a belief.

Agreed, and there are plenty of examples of this. I am not willing to dismiss anyone based on his or her religious beliefs.

[TheoK]

We all believe in things without reason. Do you claim that every thought and belief that you have is perfectly rational?

No, but I would never believe in something as stupid as God just because I felt the urge to have some kind of superior authority or because I couldn't believe in the scientific theories about universe. Believing in God or Allah or whatever is to put stupidity in system.

Lit: Do you ever elect police officers in Sweden? We elect sheriffs in America.

No, we don't, but the whole system with having a police is wrong. The whole system of having a state is wrong. It's actually almost as wrong as believing in God. The sickest thing is that people don't understand that things like genocide, slavery etc. are just possible because states exist but claim that it would be worse in an anarchy. In an anarchy no one would have the tools for genocide, slavery etc, because you need a hierarchy and a monopoly on violence to oppress people to start with.

In America you believe or pretend to believe that you are some kind of revolutionaries, but someone supporting a government is never a revolutionary.

It's ridiculously obvious. You have 1000 persons. You give each of them an identical gun. Who would be able to oppress someone else? No one. That's how an anarchy works. In the state you take away the guns or "allow" private citizens to own pistols and semi-automatic rifles. The state owns machine guns, cannons, tanks, missiles, atom bombs!. Still people are unable or unwilling to see this, because it's a very unpleasant fact.

Besides, this thread is not called "America, fuck no!"

Whatever.

You've actually listed a number of your beliefs, above. You don't have any proof, yet here they are, stated as facts. You do this a lot.

/shrugs

At least the thing with equal arms is not a belief but a fact. The best proof is actually your beloved state's gun laws and monopoly on violence.

Another thing. Mankind has existed for 100000 or 2 million years, depending on how one counts. States have only existed for about 6000 years. So mankind has lived without any states for at least 94% of the time it has existed.

[Calavera]

I typed "intellect" when it should be "intellectual".

[Jack]

In my humble opinion you are not an intellectual if you believe in God, because a person who believes in something without reason has a flawed intellect.

Didn't really mean to prompt you to change your statement to an emotionally honest one, but that was awesome, Lit.

I don't fully agree with Lit here. An intellect could still believe in something and acknowledge he has no basis for such a belief.

Don't agree with lit at all, but he originally made this statement as if it were a logical fact. That's why I said that there's a difference between emotional and intellectual honesty. Intellectually, he probably knows there are a great number of believers who are intellectuals, and their statements of belief are emotional statements. His new response is perfect.

[TheoK]

Also, Americans are ridiculously law-abiding. Look at the Poles, the Italians and the Greeks. They don't give a shit about laws.

[odeon]

We all believe in things without reason. Do you claim that every thought and belief that you have is perfectly rational?

No, but I would never believe in something as stupid as God just because I felt the urge to have some kind of superior authority or because I couldn't believe in the scientific theories about universe. Believing in God or Allah or whatever is to put stupidity in system.

Lit: Do you ever elect police officers in Sweden? We elect sheriffs in America.

No, we don't, but the whole system with having a police is wrong. The whole system of having a state is wrong. It's actually almost as wrong as believing in God. The sickest thing is that people don't understand that things like genocide, slavery etc. are just possible because states exist but claim that it would be worse in an anarchy. In an anarchy no one would have the tools for genocide, slavery etc, because you need a hierarchy and a monopoly on violence to oppress people to start with.

In America you believe or pretend to believe that you are some kind of revolutionaries, but someone supporting a government is never a revolutionary.

It's ridiculously obvious. You have 1000 persons. You give each of them an identical gun. Who would be able to oppress someone else? No one. That's how an anarchy works. In the state you take away the guns or "allow" private citizens to own pistols and semi-automatic rifles. The state owns machine guns, cannons, tanks, missiles, atom bombs!. Still people are unable or unwilling to see this, because it's a very unpleasant fact.

Besides, this thread is not called "America, fuck no!"

Whatever.

You've actually listed a number of your beliefs, above. You don't have any proof, yet here they are, stated as facts. You do this a lot.

/shrugs

At least the thing with equal arms is not a belief but a fact. The best proof is actually your beloved state's gun laws and monopoly on violence.

Another thing. Mankind has existed for 100000 or 2 million years, depending on how one counts. States have only existed for about 6000 years. So mankind has lived without any states for at least 94% of the time it has existed.

Ah, yes, great argument, because the ways of the cavemen are directly comparable with our modern societies.   

[TheoK]

It proves that mankind doesn't need a state to survive.

[ZEGH8578]

It proves that mankind doesn't need a state to survive.

We do need a collective, and we do need a leader, an individual who takes charge, unifies a group, and leads the way.
A natural leader will walk first, and expose himself to dangers, which makes his followers admire him for it.
This is undeniable, and a deep rooted essence of humanity.

The question is: What do we do with this - in societies where human groups count several thousand, even in small spots? Even just a normal swede neighborhood can have 5-10K people in one spot. That is "not natural" (but it is still there as an undeniable fact - but as a symptom of nature being imperfect)

Mold will choke itself out, and die, when they overpopulate a spot.
It's only a matter of reaching the "ceiling" of the ammount of people "allowed" to exist on this planet. Unfortunately, we have yet to consume everything. We can theoretically keep populating every last bit of unpopulated space. We can theoretically keep our exponential growth, and just fill up more and more and more land. Urban centres can only grow. A place that is small today, like say Uddevalla, could theoretically contain 1 million people by the year 3000, 10 million by the year 4000, 100 million by the year 5000, we will just keep seeing it as normal when the time comes.

Idunno where I'm going with this.
I'm gonna go somewhere and cry now.

[RageBeoulve]

How much infringements do you have to have on things before you call it a tyranny? You have less freedom than in Europe except what guns concerns (in a few states and cities you actually have harsher gunlaws than in most of Europe!) and you don't use those guns to what they were once intended for.

I'm actually pretty sure that Franklin and Jefferson would have called someone like Obama a tyrant.

Obama is our first  BLACK president. Most of us are allowing him some latitude.  His doctrine in history will be laid to question, but not so much as our allowing him a full rope with which to hang himself. Our tolerance MIGHT be ignored as history "remakes itself."  However, I think all of us will bear a burden due to his way of executing the duties of his office.

Obviously, you missed my earlier point.

Union begins at your next door neighbor's house.  Our Union of Great States is stronger because of the "unity"  we all share with our neighbors.

The Plurality of our populace defines the best of all that there are on this globe - freedom seekers, all of us. Every single one of us came from a place that was LESS FREE!!  Seeking is the first battle!!  It is not yet accomplished, but it is the continued attempt to attain all those freedoms we assume "to be self evident"  that continues to set us apart from all you who are willing to give in to various forms of tyranny.

IF you are talking about how difficult it is to fly or travel in this nation, you must realize, it is NOT any of US that we are being wary of; it is those of you who would not respect or even dismiss our freedom so frivolently as to make yourselves a threat to what we believe.

Trust me, I do know that my kind (gun owners, like small government, low taxes, prefer personal freedoms) only hold a small advantage in numbers. I am looking forward to the day when we have identified all those NON-AMERICANS within our borders and sent them all to Gitmo.

Other than that, fuck all your pretentious bullshit! 



GOD BLESS AMERICA!!

Actually I think all this tolerance Obama is being shown is racism. If he wasn't a black man, nobody would ever put up with the blatant overreaching of power he repeatedly commits.

An argument can be made as such...

However, being a devout NON-racist, myself,  I wonder how far the left can be allowed to carry this game. Some of us are beginning to wonder.

You DID read and understand the "far reaching" explanation I presented. How many people do you know who are twenty or more years past voting age? I am looking at a small cross section of those who I personally know. I am not pretending to know what the entire country expects from our President. 

The Office of the Presidency MUST be respected, regardless of whether or not one agrees with the sitting President. 

Do recognize that in just one more vote, we voters can overthrow the entire government.  Obama can no longer serve, and fifty to seventy per cent of sitting Congressional offices CAN be replaced.   

It is all up to us to decide.

God Bless the USA!!



LOL upon Tig. Yes, if you did not want me to invoke GOD, in the spirit of humour, then STFU!!  LOL

 

The presidential office should be respected, but like you said we the people are his employer. Patterns of misconduct are grounds for termination of employment.

Yeah, but I will not allow any foreign entity to Dis' our president without standing up for the office in general.  While we may elect another president shortly, I will defend the office  of the presidency!! NO entity shall take shots at our executive branch without consequences, regardless of which man sits in the office!

I never took such an oath (what about you?), but I am an American! 

God Bless the USA!!

I agree 100%, dude. Its completely insane to come up with plans to assassinate our own president and burn down the white house or something. What needs to happen is impeachment. That way we can take him to court and have him face up to all the laws he's broken these past few years, sending the message to future generations that this kind of behavior will not be tolerated.

America is a constitutional republic and it will remain so, despite how much certain interests want to tilt the balance of political power in favor of a stronger government and consequence free environment for a modern aristocracy. Its time to take matters into our own hands, and use the law to fight that trend.

Our leaders are not superior beings. The 1% more and more people are growing to hate are not superior beings, they are just humans with the same kind of brain everyone else has. If they can manipulate the system and twist it around so that its the grotesque mockery of government most first world nations have today, we can figure things out too can't we? The common folk should be able to understand and use the rule of law to fight back.

[odeon]

It proves that mankind doesn't need a state to survive.

Actually it proves nothing.

[TheoK]

 

[odeon]

Using your logic I could say that the dinosaurs became extinct because they didn't have a state.

  squared

[TheoK]