Wow this is still going? I expected by now it would have been well and truly derailed.
One of the members here sent me a Pm and I have come on to give them my email address.
Has a quick skim through.
Vendetta butterflies? Why because he disagrees with you? Because he defends his claim? Damn! That is about as credible as the police state comment you made about him. Nothing like misrepresentation. Has not worked up to now, but throw enough red herrings around and something may be believed.
Butterflies I know you are trying to make a bit of mileage over this "naughtygirl/bad girl" thing, but seriously I do not think that anyone is REALLY buying that are they? Seriously? Saying you act with bad form is about as connected to being a bad girl as blowing your nose on your sleeve is "hardcore". It isn't really. It is distasteful and not something to want to associate with, but bad?
I don't think it's OK when people who have never been members here (Pandora, in this case) and have until then not been involved with the site get hurt and are seen as some kind of collateral damage and nothing to be particularly sorry about. Admit it was mean, sure, apologies, hell no.
I agree totally. Woody was another one you might say was collateral damage. Let's face it, there are a few we could bring up. Is it ok to mock and ridicule Woody because he plays a trumpet, has religious beliefs and because it seems his elevator does not go straight to the top? Do you not think he was also 'hurt' when he realised (if he has yet i don't know) that he was made a fool of? That poor sod didn't even have anyone to stand up and say 'oi' on his behalf!
Yes very good point about Woodysy, Bodie.
MLA banned Woodsy
Woodsy starts a forum to condemn MLA.
People from here like MLA went over and opened accounts and posted stupidly.
Now there was little "harm" in this. It was about the most harmless payback one could distribute. Probably around about on par with Omegle trolling.
Butterflies goes on and tries getting Woodysy to talk about masturbation and ilicit nudes from him (for what use i can only imagine...certainly not personal gratification...unless we consider it personally gratifying to share that around the internet)
So your point about the Woods board was something about stepping across the line was it? Something like that? I think it is a fine example. Thanks.
It's not the remark, it never was, it's the viciousness displayed and the total lack of remorse, later thinly disguised. It's that an innocent person was caught in the crossfire in her eagerness to flame what was an exceptionally easy target. It's the cold calculation when planning and the gloat when recapitulating perceived victories, and the willingness to always take it a little bit further.
"innocent" , no one is innocent in that drama.
Not Bodie , not TCO , not me , Not Butterflies and not Pandora.
Yes Tco may be controlling but Pandora is an adult and fully capable of making her own decisions , Pandora made the decision to make poisonous remarks about Binty's relationships and paint Butterflies as some extremely evil person.
You go on about Butterflies seeing the consequences of her behaviour but at the same time advocate that another is an "innocent person" and the response to the insults and lies they decided to sling were "cruel"?
Now do you see the double standard?
And the fuss I create now is nothing in comparison, but important, nevertheless. I think it's necessary for her to find out about how things are on the receiving end for a change.
Hardly a fuss , more like Les running in making a few posts then running off again , you going on for some reason and Hyke and Pyraxis interjecting here and there.
You didn't start the mud-slinging at FB first, you started it here.
I really did not , maybe MLA or others did but I tried to be reasonable on FB.
The two wrongs does make a right argument, with a twist. I have already commented on those.
Not two wrongs make a right at all.
I said that Butterflies was not right to retaliate in a similar method to what TCO did , I merely noted that she said it in the open and it was nohere near as bad IMO as what he had said.
Parakeet was a participant. Pandora hadn't said a word when she was forced into this. You are confusing the timeline again, unless you support pre-emptive strikes.
I believe you are confusing the timelines.
Yes Pandora was forced into this but not by butterflies, remember TCO claiming that if he hit Pandora it would have been butterflies's fault?
This is going in circles. 
Squid I did not run in and make a few posts and run out again. Any particular reason you would choose to say this about me? I am not on the run over this. I simply came onto I2 after much thought whether i would bother and posted. Is that running in? It is not is it? Why would you say so? I did not run off. I answered a few posts and thought "Fuck it have already started repeating myself over and over and i doubt anyone gets it and i don't know whether i care enough to continually go over and over. Not sure I want to be here because I don't actually like the environment and i would rather be doing something I enjoy. Then I left. You know this though too.
So why the misrepresentation?
What is more of a concern is this little piece
Pandora made the decision to make poisonous remarks about Binty's relationships and paint Butterflies as some extremely evil person.Considering that I not only said that TCO made these remarks (from Pandora's account) about Bint, I also PM'ed you the actual quote he wrote from an email to me that said this explicitly, why say this?
You KNOW it is blatantly untrue but you put it out there anyway?
THAT I don't get.
Py is right about something. The social subtleties of conversations are not my strong point. I am aspie. Most here are. Most here will not get the clever miswordings or misrepresentations or whatever. Py was not using NT as a dirty word and so no Squiddy, she did not discredit herself by saying so regardless of whether you see what she sees.
She is using it to say that Butterflies seems to be very clever with using subtle nuances and changing meaning. It is something my mother was particularly good at. It is deceptive and manipulating in the same way that misrepresenting someone's position and then arguing against the misrepsented falsity is clever and deceptive...if you don''t get caught.
Works like this Squid.
A argues X
B claims that A's argument is Y and then defends against Y.
Unless A can address Y then B skirts around having to make account of themselves for X.
In all of this I do not dislike Butterflies or anyone who likes her or supports her. I think Butterflies is fiery, quite often very witty, tough, sometimes insightful, and quite charismatic. Unfortunately she also has a difference in what she passes off for fairplay and justifiable and so. She also does not seem to mind sacrificing truth in an argument. Everyone has their bad points. I have one or two (dozen) myself.
What I find disconcerting is that these things are left unchecked. Any time in the past i can recall I2 members stepping across the line there used to be a fair bit of debate and self-moderating and censorship here. We did not need rules or mods to police because members would sort themselves out and when people were being arseholes, they would at least cop in from all sides. I certainly have in the past when i have. I think it is good that there is this honesty,trust and respect.
Now there seems to be not only a silence but...I dunno...a sanctioning or support for being arseholes. That I object to.
There doesn't to my eyes look to be a want to support a notion, but instead support a person or a group. There seems to be a default defence position that if someone is liked then their actions will be supported by and large. I am not against arguing against people i like. I will argue a notion. There was a time that this was the norm. You disagreed you said. No expectation to tow the line because someone you liked said something.
To me this is not what the defend your claim thing should be about nor the environment here and , maybe that is me. Maybe there is a change in the culture and this is the new accepted norm. Maybe I am misreading things entirely.
That said, it really doesn't matter. This thread will no doubt be dead soon. But it will be a point of reference to anyone who is desperate to find it for whatever reason.
Anyhow whatever. (Tl;dr)
