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Re: assault weapon ban
« Reply #240 on: June 08, 2013, 02:27:24 PM »
White males who were literate, lived in the right state, weren't poor and had the right background, maybe. And that's still just about the right to vote for someone who will then do the voting for you. You've been watching too many westerns on the telly.

No one back then questioned why anyone would have a gun. No one questioned one's right to self-defense. No one stopped anyone from putting what they wanted in their own body. In America 1913 you could buy heroin legally without any prescription. Compare that to not even being able to buy something as harmless as melatonin.

No one would question a white male's right to those things, maybe.

But yeah, if you value buying heroin more than voting, sure. We just see these things a bit differently.
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Re: assault weapon ban
« Reply #241 on: June 08, 2013, 02:27:54 PM »
To the kuiper belt with the two of you.

It's a cold, nasty place, reserved for those I flame.
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Re: assault weapon ban
« Reply #242 on: June 08, 2013, 02:29:50 PM »
White males who were literate, lived in the right state, weren't poor and had the right background, maybe. And that's still just about the right to vote for someone who will then do the voting for you. You've been watching too many westerns on the telly.

No one back then questioned why anyone would have a gun. No one questioned one's right to self-defense. No one stopped anyone from putting what they wanted in their own body. In America 1913 you could buy heroin legally without any prescription. Compare that to not even being able to buy something as harmless as melatonin.

No one would question a white male's right to those things, maybe.

But yeah, if you value buying heroin more than voting, sure. We just see these things a bit differently.

Strawman. I would prefer anarchism. I am saying that it is more relative freedom to be able to buy heroin legally.

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Re: assault weapon ban
« Reply #243 on: June 08, 2013, 02:38:54 PM »
I know you would, but anarchism is even more of a pipe dream than democracy.

Guns do not equal freedom and they never have. It's an illusion, and a dangerous one.
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Re: assault weapon ban
« Reply #244 on: June 08, 2013, 02:41:22 PM »
I know you would, but anarchism is even more of a pipe dream than democracy.

Guns do not equal freedom and they never have. It's an illusion, and a dangerous one.

Guns equal freedom, if everyone has the same firepower. It's a very obvious fact. The state is "invincible" just because it has all guns or the most powerful ones. Very simple.

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Re: assault weapon ban
« Reply #245 on: June 08, 2013, 02:51:18 PM »
See my reply in the other thread. The only place this might lead to is the Kuiper belt.
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Re: assault weapon ban
« Reply #246 on: June 08, 2013, 03:18:09 PM »
See my reply in the other thread. The only place this might lead to is the Kuiper belt.
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« Reply #247 on: June 08, 2013, 03:22:05 PM »
Mannulus Romanus sum. Zonae Kuiperi non metuo  8)

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Re: assault weapon ban
« Reply #248 on: June 08, 2013, 03:26:01 PM »
Kätä kieltä jonka muut voivat ymmärtää.
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Re: assault weapon ban
« Reply #249 on: June 08, 2013, 03:27:24 PM »
I'm a Roman pony and don't fear the Kuiper Belt :toporly:

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Re: assault weapon ban
« Reply #250 on: June 08, 2013, 03:28:17 PM »
You should, mate, because I can get mean if I want to.
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Re: assault weapon ban
« Reply #251 on: June 11, 2013, 09:54:10 AM »
It is only a problem if you perceive it as such. And most people don't.

I'm afraid I have to disagree. Government officials making decisions based on their own emotions, or those of a collective of whiny people is a SERIOUS problem. Even if the majority does not yet perceive it. Its as if you have given a person who gets drunk twenty four hours a day (because really drunk people make lots of emotional decisions, with disastrous results) complete control of your life. It will be quite dangerous for you and everyone involved, no matter how they "perceive it".

I disagree. In this case the system works because people do not perceive it as enough of a problem. It's not the same as the binge drinker's problem at all, because eventually his liver will be shot. We, on the other hand, can live through our lives thinking we are free.

Its beginning to become a problem though. I'm seeing a lot more grumbling than I did just a few years ago, which is the sign of a frustrated and annoyed people. I'm not saying they're "waking up" yet, but people are beginning to suspect something may be wrong with things.

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Re: assault weapon ban
« Reply #252 on: June 11, 2013, 01:58:43 PM »
I met an old pal from the university today. We discussed this. He said that if an uprising gets big enough to have success, you will get weapons for it anyway. It would feel safer with a thoroughly armed general public, though.

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Re: assault weapon ban
« Reply #253 on: June 11, 2013, 02:20:37 PM »
Consider this latest NSA/interwebz monitoring thing. Are people upset? Yes, sure, but I'm betting money on that most people worry more about the authorities being able to trace their frequent Pornhub visits than all the rest of it. Will there be an uprising because of it? No.

What surprises me is that some people are actually surprised. What did they think? That the internet would be unsupervised and unmonitored just because this isn't China? Oh please. Your employer knows what pages you visit. Your ISP knows. And your government knows.
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Re: assault weapon ban
« Reply #254 on: June 11, 2013, 02:25:09 PM »
We will have to make an uprising communicating with carrier pigeons then! :arrr: :arrr: :arrr: