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Start here => Free For ALL => Topic started by: Pyraxis on May 01, 2008, 10:14:26 PM
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Warning - political rant. Apologies for length. :P
I guess it's no surprise that among the rejects of the rejects, one of the hottest issues has always been cliques.
This is one reason I think it's important to know and defend anyone the community decides they don't like. That's a principle Intensity was founded on - though WP moderators were the villains in question at the time. It's a losing battle because you can't please and accommodate everybody, of course. But I think it's important to catch the ones who can't find a place anywhere else.
At the time I was on WP, there was a kind of informal mentorship system going on. The less functional people would invariably run afoul of the law, and when they did, a person more skilled at communicating online would step up and advocate for them to the mods. These guys - for some reason it was predominantly guys - were coming online and like almost every one of us, finding kinship among other people on the spectrum for the first time in their lives. But then they were getting kicked out for being unable to follow social rules.
On an asperger's site, I thought there was something wrong with that.
Now I have no problem with drawing lines for narcissists. It's necessary, in a world where they'll rape you or worse if you don't. But almost invariably I saw that these so called flamers weren't malicious, just incompetent and struggling with as many issues as the next guy.
So when Neuroman and McJagger founded Intensity 1, I saw this need for a community that was free enough to handle offensiveness, awkwardness, and rebelliousness, but still a benevolent community. A place for the rejects of the spectrum world.
This is why I advocate for fighting and anger here, at the expense of those who dislike hostility and those who just want a casual place to hang out. There are many communities that accomodate peaceful companionship. There is only one where it's okay to tell the people in charge to stick it up their collective asses.
Only it's not, as Calandale so effectively demonstrated.
The whole time Intensity's been in place, ever since too many people told Neuroman where to stick it and he responded by shutting the first one down, I've been trying to figure out a workable system to make this kind of community possible. Actually since before that - my position at WP, for the short time it lasted, was to intercept the site political shit before it got to Alex, so people could be free to criticize him without provoking his narcissistic defenses and getting themselves banned.
My old theory was that the power on a forum had to be split between several people, so that there was always somebody to cover for anyone who was too sick of or vulnerable to any given drama. But that's not going to help the clique effect. Now I'm thinking that there should also be a more obvious divide between webmaster(s) and owner(s). Seems like a lot of what's gone wrong here is the web folks not wanting to have to deal with borderline drama, which makes sense in 20-20 hindsight. Should have been obvious to me that putting social pressure on code monkeys is not a way to get things done cleanly.
But the social pressure only happens because the code monkeys are seen as the ones with all the power. And there's a big difference between installing emoticons on a site, making backups, and all the day to day operation tasks that people like Renaeden are so good at - and making decisions about community policies, fielding bullshit and drama, and similar social tasks. They take two completely different skill sets.
So I wonder what would happen on a site where the one who paid for it was not the one who maintained the code.
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Summation for those of us who don't really give a toss?
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I really feel for you over the Calandale situation. But he knew what he was doing when he was getting under certain peoples skin when the site direction wasnt going the way he wanted it to.
Was his ideas unreasonalbe? Perhaps. Was there something broken with the way this place is run/operated? I doubt it.
To make a big deal over seemingly nothing was a waste of his time and tallents (obviously some of you are going to agrue about tallents). But I think this place lost Calandale a long time ago. The Calanadale that we had recently wasnt like the old him at all,
To me this place is about being told 'what for' straight up and in your face. He thought he was doing it to the status quo, and the status quo thought they were doing it to him. In the end, only one ideology could win and it was a matter of wait and see as to which way it was going to go.
Acusing everyone of sucking up to the powers that be wasnt the way to go to win the hearts of those who could maybe have backed him up or whatever (dunno where that thought was going).
I agree this place is good for the unwanted and the unmanageable. But they need to understand not everyone is going to agree with them and that to sulk off isnt good form. Obviously they have to do what they feel they need.
I dont mean to come off angry or anything, but like you, this situation has upset me as well, for the same reasons as well as the ones I stated above.
At least that was my reason for suggesting an ignore mod.
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Summation for those of us who don't really give a toss?
Don't read the damn thread.
Or read the last sentence.
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I guess drama that blows up fast and is over with quickly is more exciting. But with the recent politics/clique/roundabout/circular arguing, it just kept being the same thing going on and on for too long and people got tired of it and got pissed off. Variety is what people want, I think.
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Drama can be hilarious at times, I agree. Sometimes it is completely worthless.
I would say that cliques really are not a good thing as far as what I have read about the original intended spirit of this site. I pretty much agree with your post.
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I try to stay away from the day to day handling of this place, apart from the web monkey duties, plus the issues that concern site security. I think Callaway, Renaeden, and Parts all do a terrific job, far better than I would have, had I decided to mess with the pure admin stuff.
That said, I need to point out that I2 is a large site these days, far from the little community that McJ and neuroman came up with, and as such it takes a lot more to maintain. The backups are no longer as easy to do while the MySQL tables are easier to corrupt, with more serious consequences than before. This means that I have to say no to things--ideals are great but an irresponsible admin can bring the site down--and the direct democracy we had at one point is impractical at best and a nightmare to me at worst. Call me a bore but I don't particularly like spending night after night repairing tables or hunting down some weird performance issue just to keep I2 up.
Yes, I chose to do this, nobody forced me, but that doesn't mean that I want the shit to happen, or approve of actions that cause me more trouble and sleepless nights. I chose this because I like the board and want it to live on.
I don't see what difference it makes to have the owner(s) and the web monkey separated. Ideally both care enough about the place to not simply walk away if it crashes, shrugging while moving on to the next board somewhere.
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Page-after-page of Odeon & Lucifer exchanging one-liners is acceptable compared to Calandale's spam?
I really abhor that shit so have them both ignored. Seriously immature fucking cunts.
My point is, it seems that you can post whatever you want on this site, as long as it's what "they" want.
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Page-after-page of Odeon & Lucifer exchanging one-liners is acceptable compared to Calandale's spam?
I really abhor that shit so have them both ignored. Seriously immature fucking cunts.
My point is, it seems that you can post whatever you want on this site, as long as it's what "they" want.
I'm sure this is not what they want you to post yet you did anyway and it has not been removed or altered. Calandale's spam was not the issue and was fine it was the endless nit picking arguments that was the issue.
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Page-after-page of Odeon & Lucifer exchanging one-liners is acceptable compared to Calandale's spam?
I really abhor that shit so have them both ignored. Seriously immature fucking cunts.
My point is, it seems that you can post whatever you want on this site, as long as it's what "they" want.
too right. :smarty: see?
nurse, i think we're going to need a forceps delivery to get him out of his own arse. :o
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Page-after-page of Odeon & Lucifer exchanging one-liners is acceptable compared to Calandale's spam?
I really abhor that shit so have them both ignored. Seriously immature fucking cunts.
My point is, it seems that you can post whatever you want on this site, as long as it's what "they" want.
That's the beauty of the ignore button, Vodzy. If you don't want to read Lucifer's and Odeon's one-liners, you don't have to read them.
If I'm tired of reading Calandale spamming personal attacks against Dunc, Odeon and others all over the board and his posts which were weird repeated random quotes of other posts in the thread or another post by Callista (http://www.intensitysquared.com/index.php/topic,7075.msg375806.html#msg375806), I don't have to read it. If you enjoy reading it, then you are welcome to read it.
Here are a few examples of some of his posts that I prefer not to read, for your reading enjoyment since you do like them:
http://www.intensitysquared.com/index.php/topic,8633.msg393309.html#msg393309
http://www.intensitysquared.com/index.php/topic,8612.msg393541.html#msg393541
http://www.intensitysquared.com/index.php/topic,8527.msg393302.html#msg393302
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Page-after-page of Odeon & Lucifer exchanging one-liners is acceptable compared to Calandale's spam?
I really abhor that shit so have them both ignored. Seriously immature fucking cunts.
Calandale? That you?
My point is, it seems that you can post whatever you want on this site, as long as it's what "they" want.
You're allowed to continue, aren't you?
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Page-after-page of Odeon & Lucifer exchanging one-liners is acceptable compared to Calandale's spam?
I really abhor that shit so have them both ignored. Seriously immature fucking cunts.
My point is, it seems that you can post whatever you want on this site, as long as it's what "they" want.
It was the redundancy of his messageboard politics criticism that got him blabberized.
I was given the link to this site by Calandale and I still think he is a good guy overall and find his posts interesting. I just don't agree with the concern over internets politics. RL politics are of importance and more worthy of discussion, serious or jokingly.
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Summation for those of us who don't really give a toss?
It's another of Pyraxis' boring essays where Intensity is going to hell for going against the spirit of the site, blah, blah.
She's been doing this for a year or so.
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bitch. :laugh:
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bitch. :laugh:
I only speak the truth. 8)
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Hey, it's your loss if you can't provide anything of substance.
Both of you.
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Hey, it's your loss if you can't provide anything of substance.
Both of you.
No grave loss to me if I happen to find your topic boring.
If you don't like this site's management then fuck off. You're hardly important.
(I am, though! ^^)
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Right, because everybody who has a problem and dares open their mouth doesn't deserve to be here. [/sarcasm]
Not all problems are big enough to warrant a messy emo running-away. I don't see a problem with speculating about politics and organization and maybe even provoke a, you know, interesting discussion. More interesting than the same old sex talk and summaries of people's boring days, anyway.
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Right, because everybody who has a problem and dares open their mouth doesn't deserve to be here. [/sarcasm]
Not all problems are big enough to warrant a messy emo running-away. I don't see a problem with speculating about politics and organization and maybe even provoke a, you know, interesting discussion. More interesting than the same old sex talk and summaries of people's boring days, anyway.
I never said that you don't deserve to be here. Seriously, if Intensity can only come up with is boring internet politics these days, then it's no wonder that this site is losing its key members.
It's one thing to complain about this site, but it's another to drone on about its decline for months like you have.
Just go with the flow or gtfo -- you're not changing anything. :yawn:
EDIT: Don't let the door hit your ass on your way out.
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Just a bunch of thoughts on this, not really organized or anything:
Does the fact that admins have a certain level of power mean that they aren't allowed to react? That seems "unintensity" as well, ot use a nce little buzzword. If there had been a vote for Cal to be banned (which, I don't think he was, was he?) started by non-admins. held, and carried out, would that have been aloowed? A vote for him to be blabberized? The issue seems to be with the idea of things being "un-intense" or "un-ideal" or something like that, and with the idea of one person having power. Yes, this place was started out of protest against another forum like that. If intensity seems to be going the way of WP, though, if history taught us anything, then wouldn't it be that there's less point in railing against the current status quo (because you don't like it, because it has changed, etc.) than in making a new forum for refugees who hate the current way things are? that is, if this place really seems to be like WP, or even if this place's size is the issue. Cal did it, though I didn't really spend much time on those boards, so I don't know what's up with that. And as to this supposedly being a place where people don't need social skills (a utopia or sommat, I guess?)- it seems unrealistic to not expect a large, mostly cohesive group to have norms, and to want them followed- whether or not we "should" be that way. Spectrum or NT, we're still human.
Then again I don't follow politics on here perfectly because they furstrate and bore me, so I'm prolly missing a major issue and am making an ass of myself. :-\
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Cal was not banned... he was ignored, which is the achilles heel of the troll.
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Hey, it's your loss if you can't provide anything of substance.
Both of you.
oi! don't have a go at me - i was on your side. :P
:laugh:
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Cal was not banned... he was ignored, which is the achilles heel of the narcissist.
fixed. ;)
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Just a bunch of thoughts on this, not really organized or anything:
Does the fact that admins have a certain level of power mean that they aren't allowed to react? That seems "unintensity" as well, ot use a nce little buzzword. If there had been a vote for Cal to be banned (which, I don't think he was, was he?) started by non-admins. held, and carried out, would that have been aloowed? A vote for him to be blabberized? The issue seems to be with the idea of things being "un-intense" or "un-ideal" or something like that, and with the idea of one person having power. Yes, this place was started out of protest against another forum like that. If intensity seems to be going the way of WP, though, if history taught us anything, then wouldn't it be that there's less point in railing against the current status quo (because you don't like it, because it has changed, etc.) than in making a new forum for refugees who hate the current way things are? that is, if this place really seems to be like WP, or even if this place's size is the issue. Cal did it, though I didn't really spend much time on those boards, so I don't know what's up with that. And as to this supposedly being a place where people don't need social skills (a utopia or sommat, I guess?)- it seems unrealistic to not expect a large, mostly cohesive group to have norms, and to want them followed- whether or not we "should" be that way. Spectrum or NT, we're still human.
Then again I don't follow politics on here perfectly because they furstrate and bore me, so I'm prolly missing a major issue and am making an ass of myself. :-\
well said, PMSElle. :clap: :plus:
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Personally I still think blabberizing Cal was "intense" in the same sense that some early I2 stuff was considered intense, until Queen Emoga went overboard with it.
The ignore button, OTOH, is more of an automated sanity check.
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Just go with the flow or gtfo -- you're not changing anything. :yawn:
EDIT: Don't let the door hit your ass on your way out.
No can do. I don't go with flows unless it's to my advantage. And why do you keep repeating the stuff about leaving? I haven't said anywhere that I intend to leave.
Same rules apply as always. It bores you? Don't read the fricking thread. Or hell, put me on ignore. The reason I repeat the same tired issues now is because I'm personally trying to make sense of them. And because I was asked.
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I got kicked out of a clique, bunch of idiots. I made everyone laugh, with me not at me. Fuckn Eric has problems I hear. I have a tendency to attract bad people, they got chased by a drug dealer for stealing something from him, he was gonna kill them. Perhaps Eric didn't want me getting envolved out of respect.
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Then again I don't follow politics on here perfectly because they furstrate and bore me, so I'm prolly missing a major issue and am making an ass of myself. :-\
Actually, your post makes more sense to me than most of what people have said. So it's quite appreciated.
Does the fact that admins have a certain level of power mean that they aren't allowed to react?
No - actually I would love it if admins were duking it out in the main event forum as often as everyone else (not that anyone else does anymore, very often :-\ ). When I said the bit about setting borders for narcissists, I meant that it's not reacting that's wrong - reacting is necessary - but the type of reaction. I saw Cal snipe and snipe at Odeon, and Odeon take the bait and get riled up, and then strike back with the blabberizer. In retrospect I'm not even sure it was wrong to handle it that way. I agree with what Odeon said about it being intense in the way the early days of I2 were intense, and I still think it was cowardly of Cal to have run off with his tail between his legs because he couldn't handle bringing his ideals into some kind of cohesion with the people around him. But I do have a problem with the number of members that left along with Cal, and would have liked it if that fallout could have been avoided. Odeon said at one point that he thought the remaining members were higher quality than those that left. Not only do I disagree about the quality, the whole thing makes me suspect that what he did was just to get rid of the people he personally didn't like, which I think is wrong.
If there had been a vote for Cal to be banned (which, I don't think he was, was he?) started by non-admins. held, and carried out, would that have been aloowed?
LOL. Now I have to question myself, because I was never particularly in favor of democracy. It's less important to me whether it's a single person or a group running things, than whether they get run in a certain way. What I'm trying to figure out is whether a single person or a group is more effective. Each time something happens that goes against what I want, I question what it is about the community structure that led to it happening.
The issue seems to be with the idea of things being "un-intense" or "un-ideal" or something like that, and with the idea of one person having power. Yes, this place was started out of protest against another forum like that. If intensity seems to be going the way of WP, though, if history taught us anything, then wouldn't it be that there's less point in railing against the current status quo (because you don't like it, because it has changed, etc.) than in making a new forum for refugees who hate the current way things are?
Possibly. It's just that I see the cycle repeating, and the same type of people getting kicked off each successive new board.
And as to this supposedly being a place where people don't need social skills (a utopia or sommat, I guess?)- it seems unrealistic to not expect a large, mostly cohesive group to have norms, and to want them followed- whether or not we "should" be that way. Spectrum or NT, we're still human.
The thing is, I'm looking for a group with a certain set of norms. In particular, where conflict and aggression are acceptable, and differences are investigated and eventually understood, rather than rejected as soon as they become inconvenient. That's the direction in which I keep trying to push Intensity.
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Leavin' out the couple things I don't know enough about to comment on:
Then again I don't follow politics on here perfectly because they furstrate and bore me, so I'm prolly missing a major issue and am making an ass of myself. :-\
Actually, your post makes more sense to me than most of what people have said. So it's quite appreciated.
Lol, ty.
Does the fact that admins have a certain level of power mean that they aren't allowed to react?
No - actually I would love it if admins were duking it out in the main event forum as often as everyone else (not that anyone else does anymore, very often :-\ ). When I said the bit about setting borders for narcissists, I meant that it's not reacting that's wrong - reacting is necessary - but the type of reaction. I saw Cal snipe and snipe at Odeon, and Odeon take the bait and get riled up, and then strike back with the blabberizer. In retrospect I'm not even sure it was wrong to handle it that way. I agree with what Odeon said about it being intense in the way the early days of I2 were intense, and I still think it was cowardly of Cal to have run off with his tail between his legs because he couldn't handle bringing his ideals into some kind of cohesion with the people around him. But I do have a problem with the number of members that left along with Cal, and would have liked it if that fallout could have been avoided. Odeon said at one point that he thought the remaining members were higher quality than those that left. Not only do I disagree about the quality, the whole thing makes me suspect that what he did was just to get rid of the people he personally didn't like, which I think is wrong.
Like I said, I don't follow politics a whole lot, but that's also the type of thing that you can say after any major emotional battle- "It's better that it was this way." Makes it easier to deal with havign gone through it. But, I admit that's almost me trying to mind-read, which I shouldn't (and yet, up stays the post, lol). I know that even one wrongly-worded sentence can sometimes be easy to fixate on and fester, and I'm guessing that it's been said a few times- I don't know, I don't keep count. But either way.
The issue seems to be with the idea of things being "un-intense" or "un-ideal" or something like that, and with the idea of one person having power. Yes, this place was started out of protest against another forum like that. If intensity seems to be going the way of WP, though, if history taught us anything, then wouldn't it be that there's less point in railing against the current status quo (because you don't like it, because it has changed, etc.) than in making a new forum for refugees who hate the current way things are?
Possibly. It's just that I see the cycle repeating, and the same type of people getting kicked off each successive new board.
Not to go all doomsday, but maybe there's a reason for that. I don't knwo what it is and I don't think the blame lies really anywhere, save for the way groups tend to form, to my understanding. There was always an outgroup, even here, IMO- thing is, the outgroup before was WP. Outgroups bring more cohesion to the ingroup. If a new community of outgroupers was formed, the old ingroup would be their outgroup, and that new sense of community woudl prolly help the new group's cohesion. Intensity certainly doesn't exist as a reaction forum any more; there's actual social/emotional ties, and that might be another key part of it. If this forum has become a new entity- either a stangated pit, an extended internet family, or anything else you'd like to call it- maybe the whole place is intense in name only, now. I don't mind, but then, I don't follow board politics all that much and I'm not really all that into conflict either.
And as to this supposedly being a place where people don't need social skills (a utopia or sommat, I guess?)- it seems unrealistic to not expect a large, mostly cohesive group to have norms, and to want them followed- whether or not we "should" be that way. Spectrum or NT, we're still human.
The thing is, I'm looking for a group with a certain set of norms. In particular, where conflict and aggression are acceptable, and differences are investigated and eventually understood, rather than rejected as soon as they become inconvenient. That's the direction in which I keep trying to push Intensity.
Yeah, that's what this place started toward. But, what conflict are we supposed to have right now? This is certainly conflict. In fact, seems like we get most of our conflict now out of arbitrary annoying trolling and arguments about forum politics and what intensity should be. Not saying either is extricable at all, let alone should ideally be removed, but mayeb the ignor button will go a ways toward more the type of conflict you'd want- not just pissing each other off, but actually interacting, not reacting?
Calandale's conflict seemed more and more to be about conflicting with the system and the members, which ironically may have hlelped to expediate changes against what he was trying for on both counts. Plus, he sorta had a way of arguing sideways, so although I think he was a terrific troll and great for getting members to react, he doesnt really follow the ideal of investigating and understanding one another's differences- which is nothing against him, but certainly somehting against making him a martyr for that particular cause. I personally found some of his posts sort of entertaining, but he never seemed to make me a target, and I might have felt differently if he had.
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Those are very good points, PMS Elle. I don't remember Odeon saying what Pyraxis said, though.
Odeon is not the only person who Calandale attacked. Calandale also attacked pretty much everyone else who would not just let him have his own way in whatever he wanted, including Dunc, who now has left. He even attacked Renaeden for posting in the locked photo thread, for crying out loud.
Now Calandale is throwing a huge tantrum at being ignored by a few people. What makes him think that he is so special that everyone here must read tons of his bullshit, whether they want to or not? For me, his trolling gets old after awhile, in large part because of that sideways arguing that you noticed. You are right that he is good at trolling and getting people to respond to him, so now that he has Aspie Chaos to rule, maybe the people who actually enjoy his trolling can enjoy it there. I think it is laughable that he paints himself as some sort of victim who was bullied away from here, when he is the bully who has bullied people away.
(http://www.visiblyworn.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/03/internet-troll.jpg)
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I didn't think calandale could be described as anything in particular until I saw the picture above.
I wanted to sort things out with him but there never seemed to be an end to any disagreement I had with him and so I gave up in frustration.
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yeah, but if he truly has something to say, why is he ignoring me if I am not ignoring him. He knows what grounds he and i can speak on, but he chooses not to speak.
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No can do. I don't go with flows unless it's to my advantage. And why do you keep repeating the stuff about leaving? I haven't said anywhere that I intend to leave.
Why do I keep repeating? Because, like you, I'm a broken record.
Plus, it saves me from having to get too involved in this topic.
Same rules apply as always. It bores you? Don't read the fricking thread. Or hell, put me on ignore. The reason I repeat the same tired issues now is because I'm personally trying to make sense of them. And because I was asked.
I'll only put people on ignore if they're a bane to my existence. You don't come close.
And I don't need to read the entire thread to realise how shit it is -- reading the first few sentences from the first post helps.
Anyhow, I'm done with you for today.
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Odeon said at one point that he thought the remaining members were higher quality than those that left. Not only do I disagree about the quality, the whole thing makes me suspect that what he did was just to get rid of the people he personally didn't like, which I think is wrong.
Er, you've probably misread something I said, because I did not say this, and I certainly do not agree. I did what I did with the blabberizer because I was sick and tired of Cal single-handedly trying to kill this place and thought a more intense response was required.
I certainly did not do it, or install the ignore mod, to get rid of *anyone* (with the possible exception of Cal).
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Er, you've probably misread something I said, because I did not say this, and I certainly do not agree. I did what I did with the blabberizer because I was sick and tired of Cal single-handedly trying to kill this place and thought a more intense response was required.
I certainly did not do it, or install the ignore mod, to get rid of *anyone* (with the possible exception of Cal).
Cal was the one I was referring to.
I remember some comment about the remaining members being higher quality than the ones Cal led away with him, though I can't find it now. The rest was conjecture. Whenever something like that happens, I suspect deliberate intent behind it. I could be wrong though.
At any rate, you don't have to answer me if this is just going over the same crap all over again.
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Those are very good points, PMS Elle. I don't remember Odeon saying what Pyraxis said, though.
Odeon is not the only person who Calandale attacked. Calandale also attacked pretty much everyone else who would not just let him have his own way in whatever he wanted, including Dunc, who now has left. He even attacked Renaeden for posting in the locked photo thread, for crying out loud.
Now Calandale is throwing a huge tantrum at being ignored by a few people. What makes him think that he is so special that everyone here must read tons of his bullshit, whether they want to or not? For me, his trolling gets old after awhile, in large part because of that sideways arguing that you noticed. You are right that he is good at trolling and getting people to respond to him, so now that he has Aspie Chaos to rule, maybe the people who actually enjoy his trolling can enjoy it there. I think it is laughable that he paints himself as some sort of victim who was bullied away from here, when he is the bully who has bullied people away.
(http://www.visiblyworn.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/03/internet-troll.jpg)
I'd say 100% of regular posters on this forum can be classed as trolls, going by your definition. Many also have a faint resemblance to the illustration.
Callaway, you are a troll for sure, but I don't think that's a bad thing.
It seems in the spirit of this site and in the spirit of the sophist method, which this site endorses, to troll.
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I'm not a troll. I am too boring and dysfunctional to have a plan like that.
I think you're pretty, though.
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Er, you've probably misread something I said, because I did not say this, and I certainly do not agree. I did what I did with the blabberizer because I was sick and tired of Cal single-handedly trying to kill this place and thought a more intense response was required.
I certainly did not do it, or install the ignore mod, to get rid of *anyone* (with the possible exception of Cal).
Cal was the one I was referring to.
I remember some comment about the remaining members being higher quality than the ones Cal led away with him, though I can't find it now. The rest was conjecture. Whenever something like that happens, I suspect deliberate intent behind it. I could be wrong though.
At any rate, you don't have to answer me if this is just going over the same crap all over again.
I've seen it, too, but don't even think of considering whether or not that my agreeing with your statement should be an indication that I try the mostly worthless search function.
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BTW
I did not understand his drift. I assumed that I was over-reading things and that infusing my misunderstanding would only cloud the at hand issues.
I decided to return to it at a later time, but not now.
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Er, you've probably misread something I said, because I did not say this, and I certainly do not agree. I did what I did with the blabberizer because I was sick and tired of Cal single-handedly trying to kill this place and thought a more intense response was required.
I certainly did not do it, or install the ignore mod, to get rid of *anyone* (with the possible exception of Cal).
Cal was the one I was referring to.
I remember some comment about the remaining members being higher quality than the ones Cal led away with him, though I can't find it now. The rest was conjecture. Whenever something like that happens, I suspect deliberate intent behind it. I could be wrong though.
At any rate, you don't have to answer me if this is just going over the same crap all over again.
I wanted to because that wasn't my intent. I wouldn't have if you'd been right and going over the same old crap again.
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Er, you've probably misread something I said, because I did not say this, and I certainly do not agree. I did what I did with the blabberizer because I was sick and tired of Cal single-handedly trying to kill this place and thought a more intense response was required.
I certainly did not do it, or install the ignore mod, to get rid of *anyone* (with the possible exception of Cal).
Cal was the one I was referring to.
I remember some comment about the remaining members being higher quality than the ones Cal led away with him, though I can't find it now. The rest was conjecture. Whenever something like that happens, I suspect deliberate intent behind it. I could be wrong though.
At any rate, you don't have to answer me if this is just going over the same crap all over again.
I've seen it, too, but don't even think of considering whether or not that my agreeing with your statement should be an indication that I try the mostly worthless search function.
Oh, now I see what Pyraxis means... I wasn't referring to the overall quality of the remaining membership, I was talking about a select few in the Calandale fan club that left with him.
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Like I said, I don't follow politics a whole lot, but that's also the type of thing that you can say after any major emotional battle- "It's better that it was this way."
Excellent point. That means I should filter for bias; it may not actually be better this way. I think what would have been best is if Odeon had drawn a line for Cal in such a way that Cal didn't actually leave - though I'm not sure if the leaving was a necessary part of the process. I think what would have been best is if Cal had come back and faced the music - though he doesn't seem to be capable of that at least yet.
Makes it easier to deal with havign gone through it. But, I admit that's almost me trying to mind-read, which I shouldn't (and yet, up stays the post, lol).
I'm not sure what you think I was "going through". But feel free to keep mind-reading if you like - I attempt it with most everyone. I'll just tell you if you're wrong.
If a new community of outgroupers was formed, the old ingroup would be their outgroup, and that new sense of community woudl prolly help the new group's cohesion.
That's kind of what I was hoping for on Intensity - not the outgroupers perpetually moving on from site to site.
If this forum has become a new entity- either a stangated pit, an extended internet family, or anything else you'd like to call it- maybe the whole place is intense in name only, now.
My hope is that social/emotional ties don't preclude intensity, and actually improve it somehow.
mayeb the ignor button will go a ways toward more the type of conflict you'd want- not just pissing each other off, but actually interacting, not reacting?
I don't see how or why that would happen - do you?
he doesnt really follow the ideal of investigating and understanding one another's differences- which is nothing against him, but certainly somehting against making him a martyr for that particular cause.
True. The martyrdom is more on my part - I'm the one who insisted on investigating and understanding him.
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Makes it easier to deal with havign gone through it. But, I admit that's almost me trying to mind-read, which I shouldn't (and yet, up stays the post, lol).
I'm not sure what you think I was "going through". But feel free to keep mind-reading if you like - I attempt it with most everyone. I'll just tell you if you're wrong.
Oh, I still meant odeon might have felt that way if he'd said it.
If a new community of outgroupers was formed, the old ingroup would be their outgroup, and that new sense of community woudl prolly help the new group's cohesion.
That's kind of what I was hoping for on Intensity - not the outgroupers perpetually moving on from site to site.
Good point- I guess a lot of people never fit anywhere, or at least not for long. :/
mayeb the ignor button will go a ways toward more the type of conflict you'd want- not just pissing each other off, but actually interacting, not reacting?
I don't see how or why that would happen - do you?
Well, my logic behind that hope is that if people focus less on people they consider to be tolls/spammers and more on people with whom they want to actually have discourse, the arguments that they'll have will be more liekly to be of higher quality. Sometimes though if you read crap posted even by someone you know is a chronnic spammer and likely to be talking bull, it's very tempting to reply, and get drawn into an argument that doesn't really go anywhere. Maybe the distinction I'm thining of is something like debate vs. squabbling.
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Interesting discussion. I'm trying to think of things to say, but, others like JLPMS ELLE have said it quite well. I also agree with a majority of what Pyraxis has stated. Of course I also am interpreting that Pyraxis is starting this discussion to clarify things in her own mind. Correct me if I'm wrong.
Either way a number of valid points have been cleared and made. To clarify my own position on Cal, I don't hate him, I just don't care about him for good or ill. Thats my defense against getting my buttons pushed, as soon as I feel my emotions are being manipulated or enflamed I "withdraw" and stop participating in "fights/arguments". I can't sustain confrontation very long, it's my survival mechanisms from the way I had to deal with shit in my own biological family. I spent a lot of time and effort trying to get people to stop responding to his attacks, before the blabberizer and ignore mod were added. But, there seems to be an overpowering urge to respond to things that I saw as "baiting". I have the same urges as well, but, I also see an "accusation" or "name calling" for what it is. Being called "a sycophant" "coward" , etc. Did make me angry initially, but then my common sense took over and made me realize that those were the opinions of people who DON'T know me. I'm not proclaiming myself guiltless in that regard, I certainly did my share of that. Not exactly stuff I'm proud of, but, I'm not running from it either.
So in a nutshell, he has his own forum, running along the lines of what he feels is right. Thats cool. And he still has his membership here, and I certainly feel we'll be hearing from him and his friends from time to time. Thats cool, too. It's just nice to have a break from all the High Soap Opera drama.
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Like I said, I don't follow politics a whole lot, but that's also the type of thing that you can say after any major emotional battle- "It's better that it was this way."
Excellent point. That means I should filter for bias; it may not actually be better this way. I think what would have been best is if Odeon had drawn a line for Cal in such a way that Cal didn't actually leave - though I'm not sure if the leaving was a necessary part of the process. I think what would have been best is if Cal had come back and faced the music - though he doesn't seem to be capable of that at least yet.
It's his choice. He wasn't forced to leave.
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That should tell you something. Plus, the number of people ignoring him has gone down. ::)
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good point - i'll take him off ignore, as it's pointless ignoring someone who's not here. :laugh:
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It's his choice. He wasn't forced to leave.
You're right on that. I should have worded it differently.
"...he doesn't seem to be willing to do that, at least yet..."
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That's kind of what I was hoping for on Intensity - not the outgroupers perpetually moving on from site to site.
Good point- I guess a lot of people never fit anywhere, or at least not for long. :/
This is part of why I'm having this debate though - I don't like the idea of shaking one's head as if to say "that's just the way it has to be". I'm looking for ways to improve the system, so it doesn't have to be.
Well, my logic behind that hope is that if people focus less on people they consider to be tolls/spammers and more on people with whom they want to actually have discourse, the arguments that they'll have will be more liekly to be of higher quality. (...) Maybe the distinction I'm thining of is something like debate vs. squabbling.
It's possible. Though I think there's a place for both. The squabbling has a flow to it that it's harder to reach in a cerebral debate.
I'm certainly not going to object to more intelligent arguments, though.
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good point - i'll take him off ignore, as it's pointless ignoring someone who's not here. :laugh:
Precisely.
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That's kind of what I was hoping for on Intensity - not the outgroupers perpetually moving on from site to site.
Good point- I guess a lot of people never fit anywhere, or at least not for long. :/
This is part of why I'm having this debate though - I don't like the idea of shaking one's head as if to say "that's just the way it has to be". I'm looking for ways to improve the system, so it doesn't have to be.
I agree that it's unfortunate that that's what keeps happening. Can't seem to chalk it up as a learing experience either for the rejectees because they keep getting rjeected, almost universally, even in what should be "accepting" forums.
Something you said in another discussion though- if I am remembering/interpreting correctly, you viewed tyring to be kinder/softer to someone without their asking for it as less than ideal. Now, does tht hold true for the members how are universally rejected? If we modulate our natural recations to others to be more inclusive, we stop being as genuine. If we don't, we start seeming like bullies. I do believe there's no forum where all people will be accpeted, and I do think that's the way it will always be, though I hate to say "has to be." This, however, does not mean I think there are people who will never fit with anyone anywhere. However, I am not sure if intensity is set up to be the place for that- it's a place for open debate and open forum, but the anarchy aspect also means it's a place where if somenoe pisses most of the other members off, they're kind of fucked.
I know the "Intensity is not a support site" issue had been done to death, but it seems like there would have to be more sturtcure and of a different kind if you wanted a board where people who are commonly rejected can be safe to express themselves and not get picked on/rejected/etc. or can debate, etc.; I don't think it's stuctured so it can handle that, even if such a sturcture exists. Maybe you'd need a different set of memmbers, or a subfgroup with a different interest. The closest we have come, to my mind, are subforums like the real problems forum (which I think is actually very well "unofficially member moderated" or however you'd say it. even sans rules and just running by norms- and I think that's a nice testament to the idea that there are decent people here), and maybe the forum where Randy got relegated once when he went spamcrazy awhile back (similar to blabberizing)- he didn't get kicked off, but he got quarantined.
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We can't have structure here unless we moderate the place, but if we ever do that I'm pretty sure the place will die.
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I know the "Intensity is not a support site" issue had been done to death, but it seems like there would have to be more sturtcure and of a different kind if you wanted a board where people who are commonly rejected can be safe to express themselves and not get picked on/rejected/etc. or can debate, etc.
And that's my dilemma. Ironically I pushed the creation of the WP haven with the same motivations that I push Intensity. Then, I thought benevolent and personalized moderation was the key to safety; now, I've been advocating a free-for-all; but the truth is, the people who get in trouble the most need both. At the same time. Which is an awfully careful balance, one I've set out to learn, but I only know it on a one-on-one basis, which isn't terribly useful for shaping a group.
Anyway, I have a lot to learn about group politics, and I probably won't be able to apply it fully until my head's on straighter. How to create a system that reflects what I already know on an individual basis.
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Now correct me if I'm wrong, but I thought the idea of this place was that you were free to be a twat, but just remember that people are going to call you on it. And if you cant handle it, there's the door, it's your own choice.
Express yourself all you want, it just mean everyone else is going to express themselves right back at you.
All I see the latest kerfuffle is about is that Calendale wanted more more restrictions for those in charge, less restrictions for the users, and when he didnt get his way after harping on about it for ages, he got ignored and then sulked off like a little bitch.
He either wanted the changes, or he wanted those in charge to do something drastic because of his behaviour so he could be a martyr.
I don't see where the problem is.
To me, this place is about honesty. You can act how you honestly feel, but you are going to get an honest reaction out of everyone else. To make it a safe haven for the rejected would be to lie to them, just like every other place that has rules on attacking other members. And that is what will kill this place if, in the unlikely event, that something like that ever goes through.
Yes the ignore mod can make some member live in a fantasy world as they perhaps ignore the truth of what people are saying to them, but it stops members leaving while still giving them the freedom to say and act how they please. And if you still cant handle it here under those conditions, then you have some serious problems that an online internet forums is not going to solve.
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cor! :plus:
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I actually don't like speaking about people when they aren't around to discuss an issue. But, in the case of Cal I will because it's not bitching about him.
In my opinion, for what it's worth, Cal really wasn't the same person he was 12 months ago when he introduced me to this site. I do believe his mental health has gone downhill in some ways over the past year, for whatever reasons, whether it was abusing alcohol or lonliness or whatever. And of course, I could be wrong, but that was just the feeling I got and on a personal level, I do feel sad that things went the way that they did. Towards the end I actually avoided interacting with him, after a few discussions where I felt he was drowning in his own murk and didn't really care about anything anymore.
Re the topic of cliques, yes people gravitate to, and interact with, people whose ideas and personalities they can identify with. There have been incidents where I think people have agreed with others for the sake of it and attacked others without really trying to understand and I know it happened to me a few times earlier on. In saying that, I have spent more time away from the site if I felt stressed out about something....and Cal's circular arguments not only exhausted me, I actually felt if I agreed with someone on a topic, he'd start attacking and it would just kill a valid discussion, so I wouldn't even have the desire to post sometimes. In actual fact, he was trying to create the very thing he accused everyone else of.
I choose not to really particpate in discussions like this anymore because I come to just enjoy the site, not kill it by overexamination of it.
It's the same reason I don't like long discussions after good sex.
(Sorry, had to use that analagy, since I've been accused of being purely only interested in those whom I can flirt with or post in threads so I can talk about sex ;) Glod bless Cal )
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Now correct me if I'm wrong, but I thought the idea of this place was that you were free to be a twat, but just remember that people are going to call you on it. And if you cant handle it, there's the door, it's your own choice.
Express yourself all you want, it just mean everyone else is going to express themselves right back at you.
All I see the latest kerfuffle is about is that Calendale wanted more more restrictions for those in charge, less restrictions for the users, and when he didnt get his way after harping on about it for ages, he got ignored and then sulked off like a little bitch.
He either wanted the changes, or he wanted those in charge to do something drastic because of his behaviour so he could be a martyr.
I don't see where the problem is.
To me, this place is about honesty. You can act how you honestly feel, but you are going to get an honest reaction out of everyone else. To make it a safe haven for the rejected would be to lie to them, just like every other place that has rules on attacking other members. And that is what will kill this place if, in the unlikely event, that something like that ever goes through.
Yes the ignore mod can make some member live in a fantasy world as they perhaps ignore the truth of what people are saying to them, but it stops members leaving while still giving them the freedom to say and act how they please. And if you still cant handle it here under those conditions, then you have some serious problems that an online internet forums is not going to solve.
I agree with your analysis, Phlexor. That's the way that I see Intensity as well.
I think that it's impossible to make Intensity a safe haven for all those people who have been rejected by other fora, simultaneously.
I know that Happeh was before you joined here, but he was a guy who thought that we all were on the spectrum because we wanked too much. He was kind of entertaining for a while, but if we had made Intensity a safe haven for him, then pretty much everyone else would have left. If Happeh wants a safe haven, then he can post his wanking nonsense on his own forum (http://www.happehtheory.com/).
I think that one of Calandale's core problems is that he can't trust anyone, so he's convinced that everyone else is just as rotten and corrupt as he believes himself to be.
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Now correct me if I'm wrong, but I thought the idea of this place was that you were free to be a twat, but just remember that people are going to call you on it. And if you cant handle it, there's the door, it's your own choice.
Express yourself all you want, it just mean everyone else is going to express themselves right back at you.
All I see the latest kerfuffle is about is that Calendale wanted more more restrictions for those in charge, less restrictions for the users, and when he didnt get his way after harping on about it for ages, he got ignored and then sulked off like a little bitch.
He either wanted the changes, or he wanted those in charge to do something drastic because of his behaviour so he could be a martyr.
I don't see where the problem is.
To me, this place is about honesty. You can act how you honestly feel, but you are going to get an honest reaction out of everyone else. To make it a safe haven for the rejected would be to lie to them, just like every other place that has rules on attacking other members. And that is what will kill this place if, in the unlikely event, that something like that ever goes through.
Yes the ignore mod can make some member live in a fantasy world as they perhaps ignore the truth of what people are saying to them, but it stops members leaving while still giving them the freedom to say and act how they please. And if you still cant handle it here under those conditions, then you have some serious problems that an online internet forums is not going to solve.
I agree with your analysis, Phlexor. That's the way that I see Intensity as well.
I think that it's impossible to make Intensity a safe haven for all those people who have been rejected by other fora, simultaneously.
I know that Happeh was before you joined here, but he was a guy who thought that we all were on the spectrum because we wanked too much. He was kind of entertaining for a while, but if we had made Intensity a safe haven for him, then pretty much everyone else would have left. If Happeh wants a safe haven, then he can post his wanking nonsense on his own forum (http://www.happehtheory.com/).
I think that one of Calandale's core problems is that he can't trust anyone, so he's convinced that everyone else is just as rotten and corrupt as he believes himself to be.
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He is totally right not to. Unless you have something on someone, then trusting them is tantamount to burning your own fingers. Big time.
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I actually don't like speaking about people when they aren't around to discuss an issue. But, in the case of Cal I will because it's not bitching about him.
In my opinion, for what it's worth, Cal really wasn't the same person he was 12 months ago when he introduced me to this site. I do believe his mental health has gone downhill in some ways over the past year, for whatever reasons, whether it was abusing alcohol or lonliness or whatever. And of course, I could be wrong, but that was just the feeling I got and on a personal level, I do feel sad that things went the way that they did. Towards the end I actually avoided interacting with him, after a few discussions where I felt he was drowning in his own murk and didn't really care about anything anymore.
Re the topic of cliques, yes people gravitate to, and interact with, people whose ideas and personalities they can identify with. There have been incidents where I think people have agreed with others for the sake of it and attacked others without really trying to understand and I know it happened to me a few times earlier on. In saying that, I have spent more time away from the site if I felt stressed out about something....and Cal's circular arguments not only exhausted me, I actually felt if I agreed with someone on a topic, he'd start attacking and it would just kill a valid discussion, so I wouldn't even have the desire to post sometimes. In actual fact, he was trying to create the very thing he accused everyone else of.
I choose not to really particpate in discussions like this anymore because I come to just enjoy the site, not kill it by overexamination of it.
It's the same reason I don't like long discussions after good sex.
(Sorry, had to use that analagy, since I've been accused of being purely only interested in those whom I can flirt with or post in threads so I can talk about sex ;) Glod bless Cal )
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You are probably right, Eclair. I don't know for sure if Calandale actually changed or not, but the way he came across certainly changed.
Toward the end, it was as if he felt compelled to get attention by any means necessary. I think that he actually wanted to be banned if Intensity was not going to change to suit him because he thought that it would prove that he was a martyr and get him more attention.
About cliques, I think that people tend to agree more often with someone they can identify with, but I don't think that implies that they agree with them about everything. I think that for every two people here, whether they are friends or not, they will agree about some things but disagree about others.
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I actually don't like speaking about people when they aren't around to discuss an issue. But, in the case of Cal I will because it's not bitching about him.
Actually, that's why I started this in the free-for-all - cause I ultimately intended it not just to be about Cal, and this way, even those who've deleted their accounts can read it.
Also, I'll likely tell Cal that people are talking about him here, and see how long before his narcissism tempts him to come back and read it.
I do believe his mental health has gone downhill in some ways over the past year, for whatever reasons, whether it was abusing alcohol or lonliness or whatever. And of course, I could be wrong, but that was just the feeling I got and on a personal level, I do feel sad that things went the way that they did. Towards the end I actually avoided interacting with him, after a few discussions where I felt he was drowning in his own murk and didn't really care about anything anymore.
That's funny, I got exactly the opposite impression. What's worse, whining about how you can't die and eternally reliving memories of your relationships with the women you abused, or endless circular provocative flamewars that end up causing your well-deserved defeat?
Cal's circular arguments not only exhausted me, I actually felt if I agreed with someone on a topic, he'd start attacking and it would just kill a valid discussion, so I wouldn't even have the desire to post sometimes.
Hey, that's classic bullying, and a good reason to oppose, but also the traditional excuse of many people who have run from Intensity.
In actual fact, he was trying to create the very thing he accused everyone else of.
Yep.
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I agree with your analysis, Phlexor. That's the way that I see Intensity as well.
I think that it's impossible to make Intensity a safe haven for all those people who have been rejected by other fora, simultaneously.
I'm not convinced of this yet. Probably it's impossible for all people, but I say it's possible for more people than most others think.
I think that one of Calandale's core problems is that he can't trust anyone, so he's convinced that everyone else is just as rotten and corrupt as he believes himself to be.
I'm pretty sure he trusts me more than I trust most.
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Also, I'll likely tell Cal that people are talking about him here, and see how long before his narcissism tempts him to come back and read it.
EVERYONE STOP TALKING ABOUT HIM, NOW !!
(http://i183.photobucket.com/albums/x28/kp600/11900052951-1.gif)
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Now correct me if I'm wrong, but I thought the idea of this place was that you were free to be a twat, but just remember that people are going to call you on it. And if you cant handle it, there's the door, it's your own choice.
Express yourself all you want, it just mean everyone else is going to express themselves right back at you.
Yeah - that's a core principle. I'm not about to fight Calandale's war for him, but the ignore feature does get in the way of that.
Yes the ignore mod can make some member live in a fantasy world as they perhaps ignore the truth of what people are saying to them, but it stops members leaving while still giving them the freedom to say and act how they please.
Effectively what it does is widen the pool of members who are too easily provoked into a reaction, while narrowing the pool of those who demand to be heard.
To me, this place is about honesty. You can act how you honestly feel, but you are going to get an honest reaction out of everyone else. To make it a safe haven for the rejected would be to lie to them, just like every other place that has rules on attacking other members. And that is what will kill this place if, in the unlikely event, that something like that ever goes through.
Argh, I should have known I'd be misinterpreted.
I am not calling for a "safe haven". I'm not calling for people to be dishonest. Especially not dishonest in the amount of leeway they give people. And if there were a lot of enforced rules for how you could and could not attack people here, I'd leave.
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EVERYONE STOP TALKING ABOUT HIM, NOW !!
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Also, I'll likely tell Cal that people are talking about him here, and see how long before his narcissism tempts him to come back and read it.
EVERYONE STOP TALKING ABOUT HIM, NOW !!
(http://i183.photobucket.com/albums/x28/kp600/11900052951-1.gif)
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Also, I'll likely tell Cal that people are talking about him here, and see how long before his narcissism tempts him to come back and read it.
EVERYONE STOP TALKING ABOUT HIM, NOW !!
(http://i183.photobucket.com/albums/x28/kp600/11900052951-1.gif)
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**ozymandias powers up the ignore function for rapid deployment** :techprob: :vortex:
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Also, I'll likely tell Cal that people are talking about him here, and see how long before his narcissism tempts him to come back and read it.
EVERYONE STOP TALKING ABOUT HIM, NOW !!
(http://i183.photobucket.com/albums/x28/kp600/11900052951-1.gif)
Too late R'yleh has risen from the ocean depths. :cthulhu: :beware: :goat: :sheep: :sheeplove:
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has he? where?
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Look for where Humans have gone mad and the very laws of physics are undone! :zombiefuck:
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ohhhhhh, crap (i.e. practically all) telly programmes, then.
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How would you know? you don't own one. :-\
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i see enough on other people's tellies to make a judgement, i think, even though that's only occasionally. when i visit my rellies, i can hardly believe the shite on the telly.
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EVERYONE STOP TALKING ABOUT HIM, NOW !!
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....... but NOooo!
I won't stop talking about him.
not sure about the graphic
I can see an "S" and maybe an exclamation point, but i have yet to gather it all to my own demeanor. I wish I could now.
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keep working on it. ;)
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keep working on it. ;)
it makes think of a puking camera that makes me want to move or something like that.
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i see enough on other people's tellies to make a judgement, i think, even though that's only occasionally. when i visit my rellies, i can hardly believe the shite on the telly.
Most of it is shite, but not all of it.
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Cliqueeity clique clique I am tired of this shit
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i see enough on other people's tellies to make a judgement, i think, even though that's only occasionally. when i visit my rellies, i can hardly believe the shite on the telly.
There is occasionally some good stuff, though most of that you can download pretty easily. Most stuff these days is pretty poor though, i cant count the number of times I have flicked through Sky at home and found nothing to watch across 400 channels.
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The ignore button has been the best. ;D
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It has changed things. For the better, IMO.
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Freedom of speech, IMO, also includes the right to CHOOSE what I want to read and when. And having to sort thru endless posts of circle jerking mocking debates or utter bullshit like Happeh, postperson and others I won't mention is not my cup of tea. People can still post what they want, but, it's MY choice to read or not to read. And lets not kid ourselves, I tried to not read every piece posted by shit stirrers, it's damn fucking hard. If I want to read what someone I'm ignoring posted, all I have to do is click on "show" or, read what someone has quoted from them. If people don't like what I post then they can ignore me! Freedom of choice is a wonderful thing!
Telemarketers also complained about the "Do not call list". Claiming it infringed on their "free speech", ::) WTF, if I don't want to talk to someone or be disturbed in my OWN home why should I be forced to endure that crap.
I remember an early Cable show on MTV (?) called "Max Headroom" that eventually became a short lived tv series. It portrayed a semi-totalitarian state that made it illegal for people to be able to shut off their tv's and everyone had to have a tv. Think about that scenario. Well, the ignore function is my shut off switch when things go overboard and the drama llama farmer and his herd come stampeding thru here.
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Freedom of speech, IMO, also includes the right to CHOOSE what I want to read and when. And having to sort thru endless posts of circle jerking mocking debates or utter bullshit like Happeh, postperson and others I won't mention is not my cup of tea. People can still post what they want, but, it's MY choice to read or not to read. And lets not kid ourselves, I tried to not read every piece posted by shit stirrers, it's damn fucking hard. If I want to read what someone I'm ignoring posted, all I have to do is click on "show" or, read what someone has quoted from them. If people don't like what I post then they can ignore me! Freedom of choice is a wonderful thing!
Telemarketers also complained about the "Do not call list". Claiming it infringed on their "free speech", ::) WTF, if I don't want to talk to someone or be disturbed in my OWN home why should I be forced to endure that crap.
That's a really good analogy, Ozymandias.
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I don't think so. A post in a thread is much less intrusive than a phone call to your house. But it's a matter of opinion and like I said, this isn't my war.
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I don't think so. A post in a thread is much less intrusive than a phone call to your house. But it's a matter of opinion and like I said, this isn't my war.
You make a good point and part of my fault is my OC behavior in reading every word. Even now, I click on the "show" button for colondull and ginseng boy, just to keep up on what the fuck they're saying. BUT, thats my choice and my problem..........the "IGNORE" function is just a little more control of my OC behavior than I have otherwise.
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Freedom of speech, IMO, also includes the right to CHOOSE what I want to read and when. And having to sort thru endless posts of circle jerking mocking debates or utter bullshit like Happeh, postperson and others I won't mention is not my cup of tea. People can still post what they want, but, it's MY choice to read or not to read. And lets not kid ourselves, I tried to not read every piece posted by shit stirrers, it's damn fucking hard. If I want to read what someone I'm ignoring posted, all I have to do is click on "show" or, read what someone has quoted from them. If people don't like what I post then they can ignore me! Freedom of choice is a wonderful thing!
Telemarketers also complained about the "Do not call list". Claiming it infringed on their "free speech", ::) WTF, if I don't want to talk to someone or be disturbed in my OWN home why should I be forced to endure that crap.
That's a really good analogy, Ozymandias.
:plus:
True. I personally would not choose to use the ignore button, but I see that as more as something in me....ie; it gives me a chance to examine why exactly is this person getting under my skin and to choose my battles. I don't mind being challenged on my opinions, but when someone has a particular agenda to be an asshole for assholes sake, rather than have an adult debate and see the other person's point of view, I can't really be bothered.
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Freedom of speech, IMO, also includes the right to CHOOSE what I want to read and when. And having to sort thru endless posts of circle jerking mocking debates or utter bullshit like Happeh, postperson and others I won't mention is not my cup of tea. People can still post what they want, but, it's MY choice to read or not to read. And lets not kid ourselves, I tried to not read every piece posted by shit stirrers, it's damn fucking hard. If I want to read what someone I'm ignoring posted, all I have to do is click on "show" or, read what someone has quoted from them. If people don't like what I post then they can ignore me! Freedom of choice is a wonderful thing!
Telemarketers also complained about the "Do not call list". Claiming it infringed on their "free speech", ::) WTF, if I don't want to talk to someone or be disturbed in my OWN home why should I be forced to endure that crap.
That's a really good analogy, Ozymandias.
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Your such a sycophant. :green:
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Freedom of speech, IMO, also includes the right to CHOOSE what I want to read and when. And having to sort thru endless posts of circle jerking mocking debates or utter bullshit like Happeh, postperson and others I won't mention is not my cup of tea. People can still post what they want, but, it's MY choice to read or not to read. And lets not kid ourselves, I tried to not read every piece posted by shit stirrers, it's damn fucking hard. If I want to read what someone I'm ignoring posted, all I have to do is click on "show" or, read what someone has quoted from them. If people don't like what I post then they can ignore me! Freedom of choice is a wonderful thing!
Telemarketers also complained about the "Do not call list". Claiming it infringed on their "free speech", ::) WTF, if I don't want to talk to someone or be disturbed in my OWN home why should I be forced to endure that crap.
That's a really good analogy, Ozymandias.
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Your such a sycophant. :green:
:-*
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Freedom of speech, IMO, also includes the right to CHOOSE what I want to read and when. And having to sort thru endless posts of circle jerking mocking debates or utter bullshit like Happeh, postperson and others I won't mention is not my cup of tea. People can still post what they want, but, it's MY choice to read or not to read. And lets not kid ourselves, I tried to not read every piece posted by shit stirrers, it's damn fucking hard. If I want to read what someone I'm ignoring posted, all I have to do is click on "show" or, read what someone has quoted from them. If people don't like what I post then they can ignore me! Freedom of choice is a wonderful thing!
Telemarketers also complained about the "Do not call list". Claiming it infringed on their "free speech", ::) WTF, if I don't want to talk to someone or be disturbed in my OWN home why should I be forced to endure that crap.
That's a really good analogy, Ozymandias.
:plus:
True. I personally would not choose to use the ignore button, but I see that as more as something in me....ie; it gives me a chance to examine why exactly is this person getting under my skin and to choose my battles. I don't mind being challenged on my opinions, but when someone has a particular agenda to be an asshole for assholes sake, rather than have an adult debate and see the other person's point of view, I can't really be bothered.
Good point and you make a different opinion in your own way. We need to digest other's opinions in our own way.........the ignore function lets us do so. It gives us time to look and ponder formulate a response instead of going off half cocked in response
Now I accept that some may think thats "dishonest", but, IMHO, thats also "real life". The appropriate quote that comes to mind is, "Oh Lord, let my words be tender and just, for tomorrow I may have to eat them." --anonymous (that may or may not be the exact quote, but, it's what I intended to convey)
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Now correct me if I'm wrong, but I thought the idea of this place was that you were free to be a twat, but just remember that people are going to call you on it. And if you cant handle it, there's the door, it's your own choice.
Express yourself all you want, it just mean everyone else is going to express themselves right back at you.
All I see the latest kerfuffle is about is that Calendale wanted more more restrictions for those in charge, less restrictions for the users, and when he didnt get his way after harping on about it for ages, he got ignored and then sulked off like a little bitch.
He either wanted the changes, or he wanted those in charge to do something drastic because of his behaviour so he could be a martyr.
I don't see where the problem is.
To me, this place is about honesty. You can act how you honestly feel, but you are going to get an honest reaction out of everyone else. To make it a safe haven for the rejected would be to lie to them, just like every other place that has rules on attacking other members. And that is what will kill this place if, in the unlikely event, that something like that ever goes through.
Yes the ignore mod can make some member live in a fantasy world as they perhaps ignore the truth of what people are saying to them, but it stops members leaving while still giving them the freedom to say and act how they please. And if you still cant handle it here under those conditions, then you have some serious problems that an online internet forums is not going to solve.
I agree with your analysis, Phlexor. That's the way that I see Intensity as well.
I think that it's impossible to make Intensity a safe haven for all those people who have been rejected by other fora, simultaneously.
I know that Happeh was before you joined here, but he was a guy who thought that we all were on the spectrum because we wanked too much. He was kind of entertaining for a while, but if we had made Intensity a safe haven for him, then pretty much everyone else would have left. If Happeh wants a safe haven, then he can post his wanking nonsense on his own forum (http://www.happehtheory.com/).
I think that one of Calandale's core problems is that he can't trust anyone, so he's convinced that everyone else is just as rotten and corrupt as he believes himself to be.
:plus:
Yeah, that bit bothered me too. He would accuse certain people of "evil doings" and I just couldnt see it in these people. And if you said so, you'd be accused of being naive or "wait and see".
To me that just screamed paranoia.
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Freedom of speech, IMO, also includes the right to CHOOSE what I want to read and when. And having to sort thru endless posts of circle jerking mocking debates or utter bullshit like Happeh, postperson and others I won't mention is not my cup of tea. People can still post what they want, but, it's MY choice to read or not to read. And lets not kid ourselves, I tried to not read every piece posted by shit stirrers, it's damn fucking hard. If I want to read what someone I'm ignoring posted, all I have to do is click on "show" or, read what someone has quoted from them. If people don't like what I post then they can ignore me! Freedom of choice is a wonderful thing!
Telemarketers also complained about the "Do not call list". Claiming it infringed on their "free speech", ::) WTF, if I don't want to talk to someone or be disturbed in my OWN home why should I be forced to endure that crap.
That's a really good analogy, Ozymandias.
:plus:
True. I personally would not choose to use the ignore button, but I see that as more as something in me....ie; it gives me a chance to examine why exactly is this person getting under my skin and to choose my battles. I don't mind being challenged on my opinions, but when someone has a particular agenda to be an asshole for assholes sake, rather than have an adult debate and see the other person's point of view, I can't really be bothered.
Good point and you make a different opinion in your own way. We need to digest other's opinions in our own way.........the ignore function lets us do so. It gives us time to look and ponder formulate a response instead of going off half cocked in response
Now I accept that some may think thats "dishonest", but, IMHO, thats also "real life". The appropriate quote that comes to mind is, "Oh Lord, let my words be tender and just, for tomorrow I may have to eat them." --anonymous (that may or may not be the exact quote, but, it's what I intended to convey)
Hence why I said it was my own personal reason for not using the ignore button...at this point.
Who knows, we now have the option I may use it. But my thoughts were just my personal slant on why I don't see the need to use it. In fact, telling someone that I had put them on ignore would be more an example of giving someone the power to upset me, therefore I had to put them on ignore.
Do understand the OC side though. For sure.
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I agree with your analysis, Phlexor. That's the way that I see Intensity as well.
I think that it's impossible to make Intensity a safe haven for all those people who have been rejected by other fora, simultaneously.
I'm not convinced of this yet. Probably it's impossible for all people, but I say it's possible for more people than most others think.
This think this place is only a safe haven for people who feel they have to speak their mind and have trouble keeping their mouth shut in other forums where its a rule.
(not that I'm talking about myself or anything, am I Ozy)
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This think this place is only a safe haven for people who feel they have to speak their mind and have trouble keeping their mouth shut in other forums where its a rule.
Actually that's not true, it's a safe haven for me and I'm quite capable of keeping my mouth shut when it's to my advantage. :P
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Look for where Humans have gone mad and the very laws of physics are undone! :zombiefuck:
Oh, so you mean my place during school holiday
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I don't think so. A post in a thread is much less intrusive than a phone call to your house. But it's a matter of opinion and like I said, this isn't my war.
You make a good point and part of my fault is my OC behavior in reading every word. Even now, I click on the "show" button for colondull and ginseng boy, just to keep up on what the fuck they're saying. BUT, thats my choice and my problem..........the "IGNORE" function is just a little more control of my OC behavior than I have otherwise.
I may not use the ignore mod myself, but I support you and your lifestyle choice of using it :green:
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This think this place is only a safe haven for people who feel they have to speak their mind and have trouble keeping their mouth shut in other forums where its a rule.
Actually that's not true, it's a safe haven for me and I'm quite capable of keeping my mouth shut when it's to my advantage. :P
Umm, after you said it wasnt true, I was kinda hoping that you'd have some evidence to back that up, what followed just confused me :zoinks:
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Proof by exception. You made a blanket statement ("this place is only a safe haven for people who...") and I pointed out an example which didn't fall under that, rendering the blanket statement false.
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I know that Happeh was before you joined here, but he was a guy who thought that we all were on the spectrum because we wanked too much.
Makes me wonder if Randy thinks we are all on the spectrum because we don't wank enough.
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i use the ignore button so i don't have to wade through shit to get to posts i want to read.
i've stopped using it on cal because he doesn't post here anymore.
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I agree with your analysis, Phlexor. That's the way that I see Intensity as well.
I think that it's impossible to make Intensity a safe haven for all those people who have been rejected by other fora, simultaneously.
I'm not convinced of this yet. Probably it's impossible for all people, but I say it's possible for more people than most others think.
This think this place is only a safe haven for people who feel they have to speak their mind and have trouble keeping their mouth shut in other forums where its a rule.
(not that I'm talking about myself or anything, am I Ozy)
Comparing this place to AI is like comparing Apples and Oranges. :laugh: AI is a support forum with some leeway for "spirited" debate. I just follow the guidelines set by Crucibelle.
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Proof by exception. You made a blanket statement ("this place is only a safe haven for people who...") and I pointed out an example which didn't fall under that, rendering the blanket statement false.
Ah but I prefaced it by the word 'think', implying that it was only my opinion I was stating, not a fact. ;)
Does that make sense?
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I know that Happeh was before you joined here, but he was a guy who thought that we all were on the spectrum because we wanked too much.
Makes me wonder if Randy thinks we are all on the spectrum because we don't wank enough.
Speak for yourself, but I think I wank enough. I just don't feel I have to post about it after every time like some ppl around here.
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I agree with your analysis, Phlexor. That's the way that I see Intensity as well.
I think that it's impossible to make Intensity a safe haven for all those people who have been rejected by other fora, simultaneously.
I'm not convinced of this yet. Probably it's impossible for all people, but I say it's possible for more people than most others think.
This think this place is only a safe haven for people who feel they have to speak their mind and have trouble keeping their mouth shut in other forums where its a rule.
(not that I'm talking about myself or anything, am I Ozy)
Comparing this place to AI is like comparing Apples and Oranges. :laugh: AI is a support forum with some leeway for "spirited" debate. I just follow the guidelines set by Crucibelle.
Yeah, but there were a few nut jobs there that were starting to drive me crazy. And I think that's what you get when those sort of people are protected. But each place has its use and I feel more uselful here, if that says anything.
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I know that Happeh was before you joined here, but he was a guy who thought that we all were on the spectrum because we wanked too much.
Makes me wonder if Randy thinks we are all on the spectrum because we don't wank enough.
Speak for yourself, but I think I wank enough. I just don't feel I have to post about it after every time like some ppl around here.
:-\ I was trying to make a joke. "trying" heh. Oh well never mind.
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I know that Happeh was before you joined here, but he was a guy who thought that we all were on the spectrum because we wanked too much.
Makes me wonder if Randy thinks we are all on the spectrum because we don't wank enough.
Speak for yourself, but I think I wank enough. I just don't feel I have to post about it after every time like some ppl around here.
:-\ I was trying to make a joke. "trying" heh. Oh well never mind.
Maybe Phlexor was too.
;)
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I know that Happeh was before you joined here, but he was a guy who thought that we all were on the spectrum because we wanked too much.
Makes me wonder if Randy thinks we are all on the spectrum because we don't wank enough.
Speak for yourself, but I think I wank enough. I just don't feel I have to post about it after every time like some ppl around here.
true, but then flo doesn't feel the urge to tell us all about how he got up that morning, either. ;)
:smarty:
:LMAO:
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Proof by exception. You made a blanket statement ("this place is only a safe haven for people who...") and I pointed out an example which didn't fall under that, rendering the blanket statement false.
Ah but I prefaced it by the word 'think', implying that it was only my opinion I was stating, not a fact. ;)
Does that make sense?
:laugh: It makes sense, but it just leaves us at the same "yeah, sure, you can speak your opinion, and I can speak mine, and we can disagree" impasse.
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I agree with your analysis, Phlexor. That's the way that I see Intensity as well.
I think that it's impossible to make Intensity a safe haven for all those people who have been rejected by other fora, simultaneously.
I'm not convinced of this yet. Probably it's impossible for all people, but I say it's possible for more people than most others think.
This think this place is only a safe haven for people who feel they have to speak their mind and have trouble keeping their mouth shut in other forums where its a rule.
(not that I'm talking about myself or anything, am I Ozy)
Comparing this place to AI is like comparing Apples and Oranges. :laugh: AI is a support forum with some leeway for "spirited" debate. I just follow the guidelines set by Crucibelle.
Yeah, but there were a few nut jobs there that were starting to drive me crazy. And I think that's what you get when those sort of people are protected. But each place has its use and I feel more uselful here, if that says anything.
It makes sense, more than a few people drove me crazy over there. :hair: And that was before I became Admin. ::) And I'm much more guarded there then I am here or on Morthaur's forum or The Drivel. AI is basically dead and unlikely to ever revive, it's more or less a "read only" forum in every sense of the word except in fact. Too much shit has happened there. :-\
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Another awesome sig, Ozy. ;D
"Do not do unto others as you would that they should do unto you. Their tastes may not be the same." --George Bernard Shaw
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Thank you! 8)
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Also, I'll likely tell Cal that people are talking about him here, and see how long before his narcissism tempts him to come back and read it.
;D He told me where to stick it.
Now do you see, DD?
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Also, I'll likely tell Cal that people are talking about him here, and see how long before his narcissism tempts him to come back and read it.
;D He told me where to stick it.
Now do you see, DD?
the gif Lucifer posted? yes I can see it now.
... or are you asking if I can see why I should stop talking about him?
... or if I can see that trying to tighten up the probability distribution in one area makes other areas less definable?
:laugh:
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:laugh: :headslap:
The, um, the -
Oh, fuck it.
The bull just turned his back on the flag.
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:laugh: :headslap:
The, um, the -
Oh, fuck it.
The bull just turned his back on the flag.
:clap:
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:laugh:
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:laugh: :headslap:
The, um, the -
Oh, fuck it.
The bull just turned his back on the flag.
Maybe for now, but, I'll wager that he'll be back soon. If not with his current membership, but, with a sock puppet! ;)
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Also, I'll likely tell Cal that people are talking about him here, and see how long before his narcissism tempts him to come back and read it.
;D He told me where to stick it.
Now do you see, DD?
the gif Lucifer posted? yes I can see it now.
... or are you asking if I can see why I should stop talking about him?
... or if I can see that trying to tighten up the probability distribution in one area makes other areas less definable?
:laugh:
Oh do tell me the solution to that. I need to feel as if I know some probability...
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Also, I'll likely tell Cal that people are talking about him here, and see how long before his narcissism tempts him to come back and read it.
;D He told me where to stick it.
Now do you see, DD?
the gif Lucifer posted? yes I can see it now.
... or are you asking if I can see why I should stop talking about him?
... or if I can see that trying to tighten up the probability distribution in one area makes other areas less definable?
:laugh:
Oh do tell me the solution to that. I need to feel as if I know some probability...
get a cat, stick it in a box with a radioactive source and a phial of poison...
:laugh:
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I know that Happeh was before you joined here, but he was a guy who thought that we all were on the spectrum because we wanked too much.
Makes me wonder if Randy thinks we are all on the spectrum because we don't wank enough.
Speak for yourself, but I think I wank enough. I just don't feel I have to post about it after every time like some ppl around here.
:-\ I was trying to make a joke. "trying" heh. Oh well never mind.
Maybe Phlexor was too.
;)
Yeah, what she said.
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Proof by exception. You made a blanket statement ("this place is only a safe haven for people who...") and I pointed out an example which didn't fall under that, rendering the blanket statement false.
Ah but I prefaced it by the word 'think', implying that it was only my opinion I was stating, not a fact. ;)
Does that make sense?
:laugh: It makes sense, but it just leaves us at the same "yeah, sure, you can speak your opinion, and I can speak mine, and we can disagree" impasse.
Aw, one of them vomit filled feel good worlds of niceness?
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Also, I'll likely tell Cal that people are talking about him here, and see how long before his narcissism tempts him to come back and read it.
;D He told me where to stick it.
Now do you see, DD?
the gif Lucifer posted? yes I can see it now.
... or are you asking if I can see why I should stop talking about him?
... or if I can see that trying to tighten up the probability distribution in one area makes other areas less definable?
:laugh:
Oh do tell me the solution to that. I need to feel as if I know some probability...
get a cat, stick it in a box with a radioactive source and a phial of poison...
:laugh:
:D
I never get why he used a cat. Surely there are more worthy victims out there...
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I agree with your analysis, Phlexor. That's the way that I see Intensity as well.
I think that it's impossible to make Intensity a safe haven for all those people who have been rejected by other fora, simultaneously.
I'm not convinced of this yet. Probably it's impossible for all people, but I say it's possible for more people than most others think.
This think this place is only a safe haven for people who feel they have to speak their mind and have trouble keeping their mouth shut in other forums where its a rule.
(not that I'm talking about myself or anything, am I Ozy)
Comparing this place to AI is like comparing Apples and Oranges. :laugh: AI is a support forum with some leeway for "spirited" debate. I just follow the guidelines set by Crucibelle.
Yeah, but there were a few nut jobs there that were starting to drive me crazy. And I think that's what you get when those sort of people are protected. But each place has its use and I feel more uselful here, if that says anything.
It makes sense, more than a few people drove me crazy over there. :hair: And that was before I became Admin. ::) And I'm much more guarded there then I am here or on Morthaur's forum or The Drivel. AI is basically dead and unlikely to ever revive, it's more or less a "read only" forum in every sense of the word except in fact. Too much shit has happened there. :-\
Well the falling out between Crucibelle and Morthaur & Co pretty much stuck the knife into that place.
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Proof by exception. You made a blanket statement ("this place is only a safe haven for people who...") and I pointed out an example which didn't fall under that, rendering the blanket statement false.
Ah but I prefaced it by the word 'think', implying that it was only my opinion I was stating, not a fact. ;)
Does that make sense?
:laugh: It makes sense, but it just leaves us at the same "yeah, sure, you can speak your opinion, and I can speak mine, and we can disagree" impasse.
Aw, one of them vomit filled feel good worlds of niceness?
... is it that or is it an understood circumnavigation of that globe she is asking for in an effort to increase conversational efficiency?
I find it difficult to associate the desire towards efficiency with some kind of feeling. It is essential.
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I don't know :'(
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Thank you, and good night everyone. :wanker:
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... is it that or is it an understood circumnavigation of that globe she is asking for in an effort to increase conversational efficiency?
Something like that.
It just seems like something that's come up a lot here. Maybe we should have a smiley for it. "Yes, I hear you, but I still think you're full of shit. Got any more to share with us?"
I shouldn't be calling the place a haven anyway. It's too easy to misconstrue that.
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Thank you, and good night everyone. :wanker:
Still reading the thread, huh? :wanker:
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Thank you, and good night everyone. :wanker:
Still reading the thread, huh? :wanker:
Oooo, that would work, but the only problem is that I haven't been paying much attention to this boring thread. :wanker:
Nice to see that you're still thinking of me though. Bless.
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Well the falling out between Crucibelle and Morthaur & Co pretty much stuck the knife into that place.
The odd thing is, after a few months passed, she reached out to Morthaur for some help with her computer! And unbanned him from the Island. She stated she couldn't remember what all the fuss was about. ??? But, I agree, that was the death blow, that and the fact that it was down for so long. By the time it came back up almost everybody moved on!
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Also, I'll likely tell Cal that people are talking about him here, and see how long before his narcissism tempts him to come back and read it.
;D He told me where to stick it.
Now do you see, DD?
the gif Lucifer posted? yes I can see it now.
... or are you asking if I can see why I should stop talking about him?
... or if I can see that trying to tighten up the probability distribution in one area makes other areas less definable?
:laugh:
Oh do tell me the solution to that. I need to feel as if I know some probability...
get a cat, stick it in a box with a radioactive source and a phial of poison...
:laugh:
:D
I never get why he used a cat. Surely there are more worthy victims out there...
yes, most of humanity, for a start.
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Also, I'll likely tell Cal that people are talking about him here, and see how long before his narcissism tempts him to come back and read it.
;D He told me where to stick it.
Now do you see, DD?
the gif Lucifer posted? yes I can see it now.
... or are you asking if I can see why I should stop talking about him?
... or if I can see that trying to tighten up the probability distribution in one area makes other areas less definable?
:laugh:
Oh do tell me the solution to that. I need to feel as if I know some probability...
get a cat, stick it in a box with a radioactive source and a phial of poison...
:laugh:
:D
I never get why he used a cat. Surely there are more worthy victims out there...
yes, most of humanity, for a start.
Oh yes, I agree... >:D
But would you keep the cat?
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natch. and the poison... :evillaugh:
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natch. and the poison... :evillaugh:
Make sure its a slow acting one, at that. I enjoy watching suffering...
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right you are. :witch:
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Also, I'll likely tell Cal that people are talking about him here, and see how long before his narcissism tempts him to come back and read it.
;D He told me where to stick it.
Now do you see, DD?
He said he won't come back?
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really? he was on here the night before last. ::)
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really? he was on here the night before last. ::)
He doesn't have much to say here these days. (Isn't that great?)
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i wouldn't have known - i was ignoring him. :laugh:
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really? he was on here the night before last. ::)
He doesn't have much to say here these days. (Isn't that great?)
It's fab.
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really? he was on here the night before last. ::)
:intressant: Of course a lot depends upon how Aspie Chaos does in the long haul. By that I mean, what happens when the novelty wears off and people start drifting in different directions.
It's not a question of "If", it's only a question of "When". It's happened on every other forum that I'v been on. A forum with no rules is bound to fracture into factions without some sort of strong hand(s) in control.
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Is Aspie Chaos still there, then?
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really? he was on here the night before last. ::)
*eyebrows in Calandale's general direction*
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Is Aspie Chaos still there, then?
If it wasn't he'd be here like nothing ever happened! ::) Unless he decided to spend all his time at ZOmg or Soph's forum.!
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really? he was on here the night before last. ::)
*eyebrows in Calandale's general direction*
Are you really that surprised?? :P
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Yes and no.
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natch. and the poison... :evillaugh:
Make sure its a slow acting one, at that. I enjoy watching suffering...
Finally some brilliant jewels at the bottom of what I thought could be an empty cup.
gawddamn hardon. Do some more, soon.
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... is it that or is it an understood circumnavigation of that globe she is asking for in an effort to increase conversational efficiency?
Something like that.
It just seems like something that's come up a lot here. Maybe we should have a smiley for it. "Yes, I hear you, but I still think you're full of shit. Got any more to share with us?"
I shouldn't be calling the place a haven anyway. It's too easy to misconstrue that.
Can you generate one?
It would be like a smash hit around here.
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*racks brains*
Yes, if I or somebody can come up with a fitting visual translation.
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Zomg is Sophs forum, and it comes off as pretty emo. There are a lot of people there who don't seem to have anything better to do but post on aspie forums about how their life sucks because they can't think straight and have relationship problems. Unfortunately, I fall into that catagory.
I've been on Aspie Chaos, and tbh, there isn't very much posting except Cal, who must post like about 20 threads a day. Maybe other people on average start 1 thread a day. I swear it is more like Cal's personal blog with comments (and more interactivity than a normal blog).
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Yeah, ZOMG seems to be the emo hangout du jour. Makes me wonder what sort are left on WP. And agreed on Aspie Chaos - I've been thinking of it as Cal's blog for a while.
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Zomg is Sophs forum, and it comes off as pretty emo. There are a lot of people there who don't seem to have anything better to do but post on aspie forums about how their life sucks because they can't think straight and have relationship problems. Unfortunately, I fall into that catagory.
I've been on Aspie Chaos, and tbh, there isn't very much posting except Cal, who must post like about 20 threads a day. Maybe other people on average start 1 thread a day. I swear it is more like Cal's personal blog with comments (and more interactivity than a normal blog).
Jeez!
That was at least seven or eleven categories. Can you narrow it down a little.
You said "category" (singular). It is too much to ask for you to hone up the edge that keenly, though. How about three categories?
In which three categories do you belong?
... and who the fuck are you?
I used to remember the numbers, but since Atomika, I have lost many of the "later to join" members. Clue 1 for me, please.
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Well the falling out between Crucibelle and Morthaur & Co pretty much stuck the knife into that place.
The odd thing is, after a few months passed, she reached out to Morthaur for some help with her computer! And unbanned him from the Island. She stated she couldn't remember what all the fuss was about. ??? But, I agree, that was the death blow, that and the fact that it was down for so long. By the time it came back up almost everybody moved on!
With that place and its type of clientele, a banning of a few months over something silly is irrevesable damage that cant be cleared up I think.
People on the spectrum dont deal so well with unpredictable personalities, even if it is only percieved as such.
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Also, I'll likely tell Cal that people are talking about him here, and see how long before his narcissism tempts him to come back and read it.
;D He told me where to stick it.
Now do you see, DD?
He said he won't come back?
You can has happy dance now.
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really? he was on here the night before last. ::)
:intressant: Of course a lot depends upon how Aspie Chaos does in the long haul. By that I mean, what happens when the novelty wears off and people start drifting in different directions.
It's not a question of "If", it's only a question of "When". It's happened on every other forum that I'v been on. A forum with no rules is bound to fracture into factions without some sort of strong hand(s) in control.
It all ends up going 'Lord of the Flies' anyway.
People always end up making rules of some sort and cliques always end up being formed wheather you want them or not. Its all natural.
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Also, I'll likely tell Cal that people are talking about him here, and see how long before his narcissism tempts him to come back and read it.
;D He told me where to stick it.
Now do you see, DD?
He said he won't come back?
You can has happy dance now.
What he said, since I don't see anything on his site about not quoting elsewhere, was this (after my attempt to convince him it was worth coming back to Intensity):
You'd need to
go a good deal further before convincing
me of anything.
And then:
Yeah, I still go on to catch some people. I PM'd Richard
and Zero (whatever) to try and get them to ZOMG. Didn't
read many posts.
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Also, I'll likely tell Cal that people are talking about him here, and see how long before his narcissism tempts him to come back and read it.
;D He told me where to stick it.
Now do you see, DD?
He said he won't come back?
You can has happy dance now.
What he said, since I don't see anything on his site about not quoting elsewhere, was this (after my attempt to convince him it was worth coming back to Intensity):
You'd need to
go a good deal further before convincing
me of anything.
And then:
Yeah, I still go on to catch some people. I PM'd Richard
and Zero (whatever) to try and get them to ZOMG. Didn't
read many posts.
Well if still wants to talk to some people here he can always come back :laugh:
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Also, I'll likely tell Cal that people are talking about him here, and see how long before his narcissism tempts him to come back and read it.
;D He told me where to stick it.
Now do you see, DD?
He said he won't come back?
You can has happy dance now.
What he said, since I don't see anything on his site about not quoting elsewhere, was this (after my attempt to convince him it was worth coming back to Intensity):
You'd need to
go a good deal further before convincing
me of anything.
And then:
Yeah, I still go on to catch some people. I PM'd Richard
and Zero (whatever) to try and get them to ZOMG. Didn't
read many posts.
Well if still wants to talk to some people here he can always come back :laugh:
yes, but he has put us all on his "ignore list".
Before that he started his own site and invited only a few members form here to join him.
He has made other statements as well.
It seems that Pyraxis has confirmed that he IS done here. I'll miss him, but the feeling is a one-way street, apparently.
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I guess when you are a jerk and feel everyone is against your righteous ass, its only fitting that you retreat to you own little world that you control.
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I'll miss him, but the feeling is a one-way street, apparently.
Last I heard, he thought you gave up on him a while back.
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really? he was on here the night before last. ::)
:intressant:
yep - it was just after you said something about cthulu (or someone) rising from the deeps (or something), so i assumed you'd seen him on here and was commenting on it.
if you hadn't, then... OMFG you manifested cal! :yikes:
:LMAO:
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natch. and the poison... :evillaugh:
Make sure its a slow acting one, at that. I enjoy watching suffering...
Finally some brilliant jewels at the bottom of what I thought could be an empty cup.
gawddamn hardon. Do some more, soon.
he's redeemable - i've always said so.
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Yeah, ZOMG seems to be the emo hangout du jour. Makes me wonder what sort are left on WP. And agreed on Aspie Chaos - I've been thinking of it as Cal's blog for a while.
emos who don't swear?
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i haven't posted to address the intial theme of this thread so far, for a good reason. i really don't see that there are cliques on here. "cliques" suggest some sort of intent, a deliberate separation and active barring from a particular in-group, and that's not happening here, and never was, speaking as a purported member of The Clique, and knowing the rest of the supposed members better than i do anyone else.
i'm not suggesting that people on here haven't formed friendship groups, because of course they have, and any friendship group is going to come about because the members have more than just a few random things in common, so of course they're going to agree on a number of issues. the main thing i can see that The Clique had in common, though, was telling cal to stfu and stop going on and on about farts in colanders, and s should include most of the civilised world as we know it, with the exception of cal's own retinue.
the whole clique thing is a fabrication, a product of cal's (and others') paranoia/jealousy/destructive/whiney delusions, and i'm amazed it's become part of the "urban myth" about I2. well, maybe i'm not - it's a convenient bandwagon for people to jump on when they're dissatisfied about anything, even if it's entirely unrelated.
perhaps we should substitute the word "scapegoat" for "clique"?
/shrugs.
it's like dignifying the creationists' nonsense with an argument - they haven't got one, so why bother responding to a non-argument?
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really? he was on here the night before last. ::)
:intressant:
yep - it was just after you said something about cthulu (or someone) rising from the deeps (or something), so i assumed you'd seen him on here and was commenting on it.
if you hadn't, then... OMFG you manifested cal! :yikes:
:LMAO:
Yeah, I clicked on his profile and saw that he was on just a couple of days ago. It always tells when someone was last active! 8)
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"cliques" suggest some sort of intent, a deliberate separation and active barring from a particular in-group, and that's not happening here, and never was, speaking as a purported member of The Clique, and knowing the rest of the supposed members better than i do anyone else.
My argument is not about whether any supposed "cliques" are intentional or not. You may or may not remember, but I've been as quick to point out to Cal that he has a circle of friends as to point out yours.
I really don't give a fuck whether the separation is intentional or not. That's like trying to "prove" whether Vodzy's crap in the quotes thread was intentional or not - a red herring. Separation happens, and it's human nature.
However, there are different degrees of separation, and within the range allowed by human nature is everything from backstabbing teenage girls who'll exclude you for a zit, to mixed ethnic/cultural/gender/age/etc. groups who'll welcome someone that doesn't even speak their language. I will continue to argue for more inclusion of differences, whether or not you personally think it's worth doing - I'm a bridge builder by nature.
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OK, how are we defining "clique?"
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Your mum's a clique.
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Ah. but can you find the clique?
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Zomg is Sophs forum, and it comes off as pretty emo. There are a lot of people there who don't seem to have anything better to do but post on aspie forums about how their life sucks because they can't think straight and have relationship problems. Unfortunately, I fall into that catagory.
Soph is emo, so it makes sense that her site is.
I've been on Aspie Chaos, and tbh, there isn't very much posting except Cal, who must post like about 20 threads a day. Maybe other people on average start 1 thread a day. I swear it is more like Cal's personal blog with comments (and more interactivity than a normal blog).
Of course it is. He tried to do the same here, turn this place into his personal playground. Didn't work. :zoinks:
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Also, I'll likely tell Cal that people are talking about him here, and see how long before his narcissism tempts him to come back and read it.
;D He told me where to stick it.
Now do you see, DD?
He said he won't come back?
You can has happy dance now.
I have him blocked, but OK; I'll make an exception.
:woohoo:
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natch. and the poison... :evillaugh:
Make sure its a slow acting one, at that. I enjoy watching suffering...
Finally some brilliant jewels at the bottom of what I thought could be an empty cup.
gawddamn hardon. Do some more, soon.
he's redeemable - i've always said so.
I think he probably is. He's not a bad person.
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Yeah, ZOMG seems to be the emo hangout du jour. Makes me wonder what sort are left on WP. And agreed on Aspie Chaos - I've been thinking of it as Cal's blog for a while.
emos who don't swear?
:LMAO:
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OK, how are we defining "clique?"
As a figment of Cal's imagination.
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OK, how are we defining "clique?"
As a figment of Cal's imagination.
:laugh:
i like the cut of your jib, young man. :-*
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Young? :eyelash:
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I'm a bridge builder by nature.
might help if you adopt a less confrontational style to do that, if you don't mind the advice.
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Young? :eyelash:
yep, my little toy boy. :-*
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<age-related joke deleted>
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<age-related joke deleted>
shame, cos now i have no clue what you're on about at all. BE SPECIFIC!
:rofl: ;)
:-*
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<age-related joke deleted>
shame, cos now i have no clue what you're on about at all. BE SPECIFIC!
:rofl: ;)
:-*
"Does this mean that I go for older women?"
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<age-related joke deleted>
shame, cos now i have no clue what you're on about at all. BE SPECIFIC!
:rofl: ;)
:-*
"Does this mean that I go for older womAn?"
fixed.
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:P
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/prepares An Eyebrow...
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Is that Eyebrow loaded? :hide:
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yep. and Mr Safety Catch is temporarily disposed.
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Oh noes. What can I do to, er, survive?
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i think you Know. 8)
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Oh noes. What can I do to, er, survive?
DIVE DIVE DIVE :oral:
:eyebrows:
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I'm a bridge builder by nature.
might help if you adopt a less confrontational style to do that, if you don't mind the advice.
Depends if he is building in on the River Kwei (sp?) or not... :evillaugh:
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I fucking love the innocent androgyny that springs forth so faithfully from this forum.
*times the geyser, again*
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I fucking love the innocent androgyny that springs forth so faithfully from this forum.
Me too. ;D Though mine's not so innocent anymore.
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Depends if he is building in on the River Kwei (sp?) or not... :evillaugh:
Yep. >:D
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I'm a bridge builder by nature.
might help if you adopt a less confrontational style to do that, if you don't mind the advice.
Hey, some appreciate it, and it's something I'm good at.
Still can't read you well enough to figure out whether you do or not. I'd probably lay off you if you didn't play guru so much though, and if others didn't buy it. Some of the easiest targets are those who pretend to be more than they are.
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I'm a bridge builder by nature.
might help if you adopt a less confrontational style to do that, if you don't mind the advice.
Hey, some appreciate it, and it's something I'm good at.
Still can't read you well enough to figure out whether you do or not. I'd probably lay off you if you didn't play guru so much though, and if others didn't buy it. Some of the easiest targets are those who pretend to be more than they are.
This site is supposed to be intense. Confrontation should be a part of that intensity.
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A - fucking - men.
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I'm a bridge builder by nature.
might help if you adopt a less confrontational style to do that, if you don't mind the advice.
Hey, some appreciate it, and it's something I'm good at.
Still can't read you well enough to figure out whether you do or not. I'd probably lay off you if you didn't play guru so much though, and if others didn't buy it. Some of the easiest targets are those who pretend to be more than they are.
that's very interesting. i get this "guru" thing a lot, and it's not something i've ever put myself forward as, more a role which has been assigned to me, although the title is usually more along the lines of "wise woman" (with all its connotations, undoubtedly). have been since i was a kid.
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How do you define interesting, anyway?
I don't know about putting it forth intentionally, but you do seem to take pride in it - the whole Granny Weatherwax conversation comes to mind.
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How do you define interesting, anyway?
I don't know about putting it forth intentionally, but you do seem to take pride in it - the whole Granny Weatherwax conversation comes to mind.
"interesting" as in it excites my curiosity or, er, interest.
yep, i do rather enjoy the whole granny weatherwax thing, but probably more so as i don't actively seek it out. i find it amusing.
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I'm a bridge builder by nature.
might help if you adopt a less confrontational style to do that, if you don't mind the advice.
Hey, some appreciate it, and it's something I'm good at.
Still can't read you well enough to figure out whether you do or not. I'd probably lay off you if you didn't play guru so much though, and if others didn't buy it. Some of the easiest targets are those who pretend to be more than they are.
This site is supposed to be intense. Confrontation should be a part of that intensity.
:agreed:
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I'm a bridge builder by nature.
might help if you adopt a less confrontational style to do that, if you don't mind the advice.
Hey, some appreciate it, and it's something I'm good at.
Still can't read you well enough to figure out whether you do or not. I'd probably lay off you if you didn't play guru so much though, and if others didn't buy it. Some of the easiest targets are those who pretend to be more than they are.
This site is supposed to be intense. Confrontation should be a part of that intensity.
:agreed:
It's on the introductory page, IF I recall correctly. It doesn't actually happen much, because those who seem to want this type of confrontation almost invariably underestimate the resources of their potential opponents.
Those, like us who have already enjoyed our fair share (and that of a few others who needed help) of this type of confrontation, are mostly bored with it.
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I was thinking of confrontations with a tad more substance than our usual drama.
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i s'pose we could try and find somewhere the US hasn't invaded, and invade them.
:LMAO:
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That's the spirit (of Intensity)! :laugh:
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I was thinking of confrontations with a tad more substance than our usual drama.
Hey, I argued in favor of torture and even in favor of not taking prisoners at all in war (butchery, for the most part) lol. I just might have been acting as a troll purposefully and choosing an extreme opinion just to make a thread do something other than say "Oh my, that is so wrong" in horrific response with every post esentially. Have someone that wants more horrible things to happen to humanity, instead of the carebear shit. That kind of stuff is fun for me, especially on NFL boards concerning injuries.
Site politics are interesting to some as well. I would rather argue about art, music, war, death, sex, etc; than the inner workings and politics of an internet site I don't pay for, run or contribute to (just post, like I do on plenty of other sites).
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i s'pose we could try and find somewhere the US hasn't invaded, and invade them.
:LMAO:
Still a pretty good selection of candidates to choose from.
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i s'pose we could try and find somewhere the US hasn't invaded, and invade them.
:LMAO:
Still a pretty good selection of candidates to choose from.
So let's do it while we still have a selection. ;D
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i s'pose we could try and find somewhere the US hasn't invaded, and invade them.
:LMAO:
Still a pretty good selection of candidates to choose from.
So let's do it while we still have a selection. ;D
Oh, baby, Lucifer could invade me anytime! :laugh: (just kidding, I know your O-man's Witch/goddess!) ;)
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I would rather argue about art, music, war, death, sex, etc; than the inner workings and politics of an internet site I don't pay for, run or contribute to (just post, like I do on plenty of other sites).
:laugh: Can you do it with as much fervor as the drama queens around here do when an admin looks at them the wrong way?
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... is it that or is it an understood circumnavigation of that globe she is asking for in an effort to increase conversational efficiency?
Something like that.
It just seems like something that's come up a lot here. Maybe we should have a smiley for it. "Yes, I hear you, but I still think you're full of shit. Got any more to share with us?"
I shouldn't be calling the place a haven anyway. It's too easy to misconstrue that.
Can you generate one?
It would be like a smash hit around here.
Not quite what I meant to make, but here's a different one, in honor of Cal, Odeon, the ignore function, and far, far too many callouts.
(http://www.studiopyraxis.com/temp/calodeon.gif)
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... is it that or is it an understood circumnavigation of that globe she is asking for in an effort to increase conversational efficiency?
Something like that.
It just seems like something that's come up a lot here. Maybe we should have a smiley for it. "Yes, I hear you, but I still think you're full of shit. Got any more to share with us?"
I shouldn't be calling the place a haven anyway. It's too easy to misconstrue that.
Can you generate one?
It would be like a smash hit around here.
Not quite what I meant to make, but here's a different one, in honor of Cal, Odeon, the ignore function, and far, far too many callouts.
(http://www.studiopyraxis.com/temp/calodeon.gif)
OK, try : calodeon : without the spaces.
:calodeon:
:-*
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... is it that or is it an understood circumnavigation of that globe she is asking for in an effort to increase conversational efficiency?
Something like that.
It just seems like something that's come up a lot here. Maybe we should have a smiley for it. "Yes, I hear you, but I still think you're full of shit. Got any more to share with us?"
I shouldn't be calling the place a haven anyway. It's too easy to misconstrue that.
Can you generate one?
It would be like a smash hit around here.
Not quite what I meant to make, but here's a different one, in honor of Cal, Odeon, the ignore function, and far, far too many callouts.
(http://www.studiopyraxis.com/temp/calodeon.gif)
I love it.
It gets the point across!
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OK, try : calodeon : without the spaces.
:calodeon:
:-*
:)
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... is it that or is it an understood circumnavigation of that globe she is asking for in an effort to increase conversational efficiency?
Something like that.
It just seems like something that's come up a lot here. Maybe we should have a smiley for it. "Yes, I hear you, but I still think you're full of shit. Got any more to share with us?"
I shouldn't be calling the place a haven anyway. It's too easy to misconstrue that.
Can you generate one?
It would be like a smash hit around here.
Not quite what I meant to make, but here's a different one, in honor of Cal, Odeon, the ignore function, and far, far too many callouts.
(http://www.studiopyraxis.com/temp/calodeon.gif)
:LMAO: :plus:
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Ha! I'm glad somebody found it funny. I was starting to get worried. :P
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Ha! I'm glad somebody found it funny. I was starting to get worried. :P
I would have, but, the whole thing had gotten so bloody fucking tiresome that it was hard to see the forest for the trees! :-\
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Ha! I'm glad somebody found it funny. I was starting to get worried. :P
Are you shittin' me?
It's hilarious.
... and well conceived.
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:santa:
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Gosh this is an ancient thread :P
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This is one reason I think it's important to know and defend anyone the community decides they don't like.
That's awesome.
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Gosh this is an ancient thread :P
... but a relevant one.