INTENSITY²
Start here => M.O.-Introductions => Ask Away Threads => Topic started by: Postperson on July 06, 2006, 01:51:26 AM
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ASPIE TRASH!!!
there's lots of people here that make me avoid this forum from time to time.
I've asked for an 'ignore' button before.
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Are we really suggesting that people should leave?? I understand that some of you might feel uncomfortable with Hiro but you can block both pms and emails if you feel you need to. I thought part of the purpose of Intensity was to encourage people to develop a thicker skin to help them cope better in the real world- how is trying to encourage members to leave helping with this?
Do we really want Intensity to become another 'safe haven' site with play nice rules?
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i don't think you understand PI.
what is taking place on the forums is different than what is taking place during private discussions. There has been a loophole that needs to be plugged here.
If someone is using intensity to troll for vulnerable women. then through this site the use the pm function to lure said women to giving away their email address (like a paedophile acting nice nice to a child and offering them candy to hop in the car).
this is about blatant predatory actions, and i would assume that a site that caters to women on the spectrum is just a playground for them.
and these women happen to be married, and he knows this. what is the point when he gets his foot in the door and then floods them with inappropriate emails. whats his point. how are the women supposed to respond to their husbands who open one or several of these emails.
This is Bullshit. and i hope you know that your questioning is beyond reason, and NOT about, "i thought intensity was supposed to be about..."
because it is supposed to be about public behaviour. NOT a place where women get violated in private.
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But those women have the option to block the pm's and emails and that's my point. None of us are children that need protecting from the bad man. One question: if Hiro was harrassing male members how would you feel about that?
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i would still feel the same way...
you are fighting the wrong battle this time and it has nothing to do with intensity and what its meant to be.
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i would still feel the same way...
you are fighting the wrong battle this time and it has nothing to do with intensity and what its meant to be.
I think encouraging a member to leave has everything to do with what Intensity is meant to be. Who's next to be asked to leave for making a few members feel uncomfortable?? Where do we stop?? And who is going to decide who these 'vulnerable' members are who need protecting?
The only trouble with battles fought mostly in secret is that most of us only have what we can see publically to base our opinions on. At the moment it seems that there is one member who has a few others pilling in on him because they don't agree with his actions that have only been hinted at publically.
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bull fucking shit.
have you read the peanut gallery? have you?
i am the one who is getting the piling on. i am the one who is taking it from several members. is it because you don't view me as vulnerable? i deserve to be taking it from several member?
what about taking it from a few hundred unwelcomed emails, just because you prove to be a trusting individual. just because you prove to be gullable. thats an AS trait which is dominant in all of us. and that is what makes us the perfect breeding ground for people who prey on others, be it a man or a woman.
if i was forced to choose, i would choose the vulnerable members who have been abused. If the point is that Triste is asking him to leave or else herself and some of the others wont come here then i would choose them over him.
he could always use his typical tactic and check back in under another name, but this time he is on notice. and i suspect he will be more careful about his actions. that is if, in fact, he isnt here only for the purposes of preying on vulnerable women.
also, have you missed the point?
this is exactly how a community defins a moral code of conduct in the absence of written rules.
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The point is only you and a few other members really know what's going on- but for some reason (which you won't state) you are reluctant to actually share publically what exactly has been going on. Unless you do how do you expect other members to be able to have an informed decision on this situation? I won't support members being asked to leave when all I have to judge the situation is a few hints. If he is going to be asked to leave then surely we all have the right for a real explanation?
No I don't consider you vulnerable but then you wouldn't consider me vulnerable either would you? I'm glad that its made you angry though- it doesn't feel good when its implied that you opinions are worth less because you're not as vulnerable as someone you disagree with does it?
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hows this:
have you read my promised response to him in the main event.
did you see me ask him to leave?
the point is that someone who has been violated asked him to leave. which took courage, BTW.
why don't you let hiro answer for himself, in HIS ask away thread rather than butt in and take the wind out of someone who has just mustered tohe courage to make that statement.
thats my point here. why is it your business to silence someone just as they are finding their voice?
i will be happy to delete all my responses here if you agree to do the same.
let them work it out.
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V for Vendetta
iI's your lack of autism McJ, that makes you find autistic behaviour unacceptable. I find it absurd when we have thread titles like 'who would you stalk at WP'. I don't know why you go for the UberNT stuff, but you do.
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p for taking the piss
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hows this:
have you read my promised response to him in the main event.
did you see me ask him to leave?
the point is that someone who has been violated asked him to leave. which took courage, BTW.
why don't you let hiro answer for himself, in HIS ask away thread rather than butt in and take the wind out of someone who has just mustered tohe courage to make that statement.
thats my point here. why is it your business to silence someone just as they are finding their voice?
i will be happy to delete all my responses here if you agree to do the same.
let them work it out.
How could anyone but you know that it took courage to ask him to leave? You're the only one who seems to know exactly what has been going on.
I am not trying to silence someone but that doesn't mean I give up my right to an opinion. All the recent fighting on here when only a few people actually know what's really go on, where often a 3rd or 4th party is the one doing the fighting is getting ridiculous- perhaps we should consider a site name change to 'Secrecy' or 'Perplexity' for those of us who don't get to hear the whole story??
I have to wonder why you think I should behave differently to other members though- I don't have the right to appear to be trying to silence someone but you have the right to do it to me? I posted my opinion because I was shocked that someone would be asked to leave, seemingly with no attempt to resolve the situation.
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Mcjagger's like the god of intensity. He plays games with us mere mortals, knows everything about everyone, (omnipresent?) and just sends out little snippets of information and confusing riddles to the rest of us that further confuse the situation (like the bible) and expects us all to believe in and worship him.
EDIT - wrong thread, could the mod's move this to hiro's ask away thread?
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remain thick.
silence the silenced.
i have offered you away out. what do you want the gorey details. isn't it enough that someone says they were hurt.
open your fucking eyes this is not even your thread.
maybe we should consider your name change to: nosey fucking bitch.
i mean jesus fucking christ. i was willing to let a peaceful resolution happen here but you wouldn't keep your fucking nose, and opinion out of SOMEONE ELSES ASK AWAY THREAD. why don't you start answering or offering your fucking opinion in duncs ask away thread? why do you each need one.
that is my point here. whats yours?
i'll tell you what, you want some sicko to have a private, secretive voice, without the victim having the right to come onto their ask away thread and saying, " i'd like you to leave."
jesus fucking christ, you are a nosey fucking, opinionated kind of confrontational bitch, aren't you? and i thought i had issues.
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Mcjagger's like the god of intensity. He plays games with us mere mortals, knows everything about everyone, (omnipresent?) and just sends out little snippets of information and confusing riddles to the rest of us that further confuse the situation (like the bible) and expects us all to believe in and worship him.
EDIT - wrong thread, could the mod's move this to hiro's ask away thread?
eamonn, but i worship you.
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McJagger, I agree with everything Postperson and PurposefulInsanity have just said.
If Hiro's PM's are so abusive, fine, let him stop sending the damn PM's. I don't care if he's done this on other sites. If you call him on his past behavior on other sites, I will call Triste on her past behavior on other sites. And that will not be pleasant for her. And if right now Triste is refusing to stay unless he leaves, fine. Let her leave.
Hiro, you hear that? You have as much right to be here as anyone else.
Because PI is right. That attitude does not fit intensity. Don't you fucking call that bull without giving the slightest argument to back it up. No it is not enough that someone says they are hurt. Lots of people in the past, on this site, have said they are hurt. What makes Triste special?
Feel free to insult my character all you like, it won't change the substance of our arguments.
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the point is, mcj, that people do not know what the fuck is going on, and so we have to take your word for what you say has happened. no-one's asking anyone who feels attacked to make themselves more vulnerable, and it might be that this particular issue can't be resolved because people don't want to make things public. however, that does not give you the right to accuse people of trying to silence other people, because they do not know the full story. they're working with the little information available.
i expect i know a bit more than most, seeing as how i've been dragged into a similar situation before, and yet i am still confused.
and before you start accusing me of defending anyone, or castigating anyone,. you know perfectly well that i'd be the first to get my knickers in a twist over sexual abuse, so stop and think before you accuse me of the same things you've accused PI of, eh?
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the substance of the argument is:
i never asked him to leave.
this is his ask away thread and someone else brought it up. Â which they have a right to do. Â by PI being a nosey bitch, in his thread is wrong. Â we all do it and we all hijack other peoples thread. Â this to me is different. Â all you and PI are doing is lending voice to an abuser.
i have begun in the main event as promised. Â he can settle with me there. Â and perhaps if PI had an issue with what triste said, then maybe she should have called her out there. Â but rather, she chose this venue, and in effect is silencing someone who feels abused.
what i dont understand is why she chose to answer for hiro, here on his thread.
also, and once again, i never told him he wasn't welcome. Â he brings up some interesting loopholes which need to be plugged. Â this whole situation is like rape. Â all i was doing was lending a voice for the abused. Â and it was working until, PI had to step in and silence ONE of the victims further.
perhaps Intensity is now working according to its original intention. Â i feel sorry for omega having to defend its base roots with so much rabid opposition and so many willing to lend voice to the abusive. Â and i am not talking about public abuse, i am talking about shit that has happened out of the public eye. Â this site was used as a vehicle to stalk vulnerable people, to gain access through trickery or a nice guy act. Â then it turns into violations of trust, and abuse.
furthermore, pyraxis. Â if you have issue with triste, then you should call her out or use her ask away thread. Â just because she thought you were machavallian isn't good enough. Â and neither is her request to hiro in his thread to leave.
but, some of hiro's actions and his (mental) raping of women, and on other sites is pertinant to establishing a pattern of abuse.
Pyraxis, all you will find is triste may have a pattern of sensitivity, which BTW, she would freely admit. Â Hiro, needs to be put on notice that using this site to prey on women are just plain wrong.
he can be like peter, or me, or fluorescent, or peagai, he can be an equal opportunity flamer. IN PUBLIC.
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the point is, mcj, that people do not know what the fuck is going on, and so we have to take your word for what you say has happened. no-one's asking anyone who feels attacked to make themselves more vulnerable, and it might be that this particular issue can't be resolved because people don't want to make things public. however, that does not give you the right to accuse people of trying to silence other people, because they do not know the full story. they're working with the little information available.
i expect i know a bit more than most, seeing as how i've been dragged into a similar situation before, and yet i am still confused.
and before you start accusing me of defending anyone, or castigating anyone,. you know perfectly well that i'd be the first to get my knickers in a twist over sexual abuse, so stop and think before you accuse me of the same things you've accused PI of, eh?
Lucifer,
what about people who do not choose to be silent? what about those who have no choice? what about those who have had their voice beaten, or terrified, or abused, out of them?
Lucifer,
then you are very lucky to have been able to find your voice, again, kevv.
if you'd seen even one of the many PMs i received after i stood up and spoke out about sexism on another board - and said i would continue to do so, even after being villified on the board - from women who'd been abused, and who were too terrified to speak out, in case they got even more abuse from the bullies who were trying it on with me, then you'd be shocked.
people who've had their voices forcibly removed, kevv, can't just "get over it". to make choices, you need the power to do so, as well as the awareness that there is a choice, and the opportunity and the means by which to make that choice.
this isn't about being politically correct. this is about people who have had sanity-threatening, as well as physical life-threatening, abuse.
and i will repeat what i've said elsewhere: you (and this isn't just to kevv) can (misguidedly) call me politically correct all you like, but while there is ONE WOMAN who cannot speak up for herself - or any other member of an "out group" - then i shall speak up for them, and you can try and bully ME into silence as much as you like.
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The question is if the victims wanted this dealing with privately why did you bring it out into the open at all? I respect their right to have this dealt with privately, but you're the one who brought it out into the open and who has been saying that you will publically post the evidence (after the election you said)- why would you do that if you knew they wanted it dealing with privately?
I don't want to know all the gory details but I am entitled to be shocked that anyone would be asked to leave (which was posted publically so of course people were going to comment on it)-which is why I posted this morning. And my shock at this is not going to be lessened any by you calling me names or hinting about what he has done. If its going to be dealt with privately it should be dealt with privately- not half in the open like this. Or is the real issue that you got carried away and let out more than you should have done without checking with the victims you're fighting on behalf of?
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you don't even understand what this is about or who i am.
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this portion is public.
http://www.intensitysquared.com/index.php?topic=792.120
the following response hiro asks one of his victims if they want him to leave.
a different victim dsaid yes, and here you come stealing her voice
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you don't even understand what this is about or who i am.
So enlighten me- why bring something out into the public eye if you know the victims wanted it dealing with privately? In case you haven't realised the going too far comment was a guess based on the many times in the past you've blamed your impulse control issues.
I am not stealing her voice- I stated I was shocked that anyone would be asked to leave and that was just me stating my opinion as far as I was concerned. I did not think I'll post my opinion and then argue about it for several posts-that has happened because I was told I wasn't entitled to an opinion. Should I check with you next time to see if I'm allowed an opinion on a subject before I post in future? Don't you think that you've got your fair share of the blame for blowing this up out of all proportion by the way you've approached me about this?
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i never asked him to leave.
True. Triste asked him to leave. You support Triste which could be implied that you also want him to leave. But you did not actually ask him to leave.
PI being a nosey bitch, in his thread is wrong. we all do it and we all hijack other peoples thread. this to me is different. all you and PI are doing is lending voice to an abuser.
I dispute the accusation that Hiro is an abuser.
That is something I prefer to judge for myself. I have not yet seen anything that makes me certain he is an abuser. I am certain that he has hurt Triste, but I can not judge to what degree because I don't know enough. So all I have to go by is her hurt, and she is by far not the first person to be hurt by what goes on here, so I have no reason to treat her hurt any differently than others'.
PI (...) chose this venue, and in effect is silencing someone who feels abused.
No. She has not told Triste to be quiet, and even if she had, Triste would be free to ignore her. Just like anyone else here. She has just argued with Triste's requests, and with you.
he brings up some interesting loopholes which need to be plugged.
I agree, and I am all in favor of plugging them. But I also think that they can be plugged without Hiro leaving the site - so I have made it clear to him that I think he should stay.
this whole situation is like rape. all i was doing was lending a voice for the abused. and it was working until, PI had to step in and silence ONE of the victims further.
Like rape? Yes. Is it rape? No. There is a serious difference between sending a woman rude and sexually explicit PM's (assuming that was what Hiro did - I can't even know that for certain) and physically grabbing her, restraining her, stripping her private areas, and sticking one's penis into her. Don't blow something further out of proportion than it already is.
lend voice to the abusive. and i am not talking about public abuse, i am talking about shit that has happened out of the public eye. this site was used as a vehicle to stalk vulnerable people, to gain access through trickery or a nice guy act. then it turns into violations of trust, and abuse.
Throwing around the "abuse" card does not help your case. I am not going to jump on it and become all meek and back down, just because it's "abuse" - or "racism" or "sexism" or any of these other loaded words that come with an automatic socio-political viewpoint which is met with blind hostility if it is not adopted.
some of hiro's actions and his (mental) raping of women, and on other sites is pertinant to establishing a pattern of abuse.
Pyraxis, all you will find is triste may have a pattern of sensitivity, which BTW, she would freely admit.
Which is fine. But if she has a pattern of sensitivity, and she can't deal with the consequences, then it would not be wise or healthy for her to risk spending time on an uncensored site.
Hiro, needs to be put on notice that using this site to prey on women are just plain wrong.
he can be like peter, or me, or fluorescent, or peagai, he can be an equal opportunity flamer. IN PUBLIC.
I agree. I support that. I support Triste speaking up, and I support you defending her, and I support PI and Vetivert giving you shit for it. And I also support Hiro, who until this argument right here did not have anybody but Postperson sticking up for him. So I'm going to continue to give my opinion.
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And one more thing. I really hope Triste has the courage to stay.
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True. Triste asked him to leave. You support Triste which could be implied that you also want him to leave. But you did not actually ask him to leave.
on the contrary, have you read my reply to him in the main event?
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this portion is public.
http://www.intensitysquared.com/index.php?topic=792.120
the following response hiro asks one of his victims if they want him to leave.
a different victim dsaid yes, and here you come stealing her voice
pyraxis said,
I dispute the accusation that Hiro is an abuser.
That is something I prefer to judge for myself. I have not yet seen anything that makes me certain he is an abuser. I am certain that he has hurt Triste, but I can not judge to what degree because I don't know enough. So all I have to go by is her hurt, and she is by far not the first person to be hurt by what goes on here, so I have no reason to treat her hurt any differently than others'.
ah yes, but the other actions have been in public. people know that when they come here they will be held accountable for their words. how can someone be held accountable for their words when they are occuring under the cover of darkness?
thats a cowards way.
anything that i have said in private i intend on bringing out. you know that for a fact.
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No. She has not told Triste to be quiet, and even if she had, Triste would be free to ignore her. Just like anyone else here. She has just argued with Triste's requests, and with you.
I agree, and I am all in favor of plugging them. But I also think that they can be plugged without Hiro leaving the site - so I have made it clear to him that I think he should stay.
can you see your contradiction here.
hiro has every right to ignore triste, just as triste has every right to ignore PI. but shouldsn't we have heard from hiro first, rather than lend him a false sense of security?
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Like rape? Yes. Is it rape? No. There is a serious difference between sending a woman rude and sexually explicit PM's (assuming that was what Hiro did - I can't even know that for certain) and physically grabbing her, restraining her, stripping her private areas, and sticking one's penis into her. Don't blow something further out of proportion than it already is.
all i have learned here (with my eyes wide open) is that there are several forms of rape. read the lashback that i heard in the im curious thread in the sex forum about how i simply suggested to the young men to be ready with a response (not physical).
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True. Triste asked him to leave. You support Triste which could be implied that you also want him to leave. But you did not actually ask him to leave.
on the contrary, have you read my reply to him in the main event?
Yes, but I'm confused what point you're trying to make here. I said it could be implied - not that you intended it, not that it was implied. I do see the part of your main event thread where you say you don't hold a grudge and presumably that you also hope Hiro can stay.
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Throwing around the "abuse" card does not help your case. I am not going to jump on it and become all meek and back down, just because it's "abuse" - or "racism" or "sexism" or any of these other loaded words that come with an automatic socio-political viewpoint which is met with blind hostility if it is not adopted.
good, then back down.
simple. Â you know the game plan, i am not going to reveal my hand. Â which is why i am having a difficult time with you chiming in on this. Â you know better and you know my intent. Â and my intent has never been to run him off. Â and YOU KNOW THAT.
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people know that when they come here they will be held accountable for their words. how can someone be held accountable for their words when they are occuring under the cover of darkness?
thats a cowards way.
True, and I think Hiro should get his ass out here and defend himself. Though I can see why he might not want to, since his verbal skills are worse than the rest of the people in the argument, and I'm sure he's as aware as you are of how intolerant our society can be to perceived rapists.
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Which is fine. But if she has a pattern of sensitivity, and she can't deal with the consequences, then it would not be wise or healthy for her to risk spending time on an uncensored site.
and this is the largest load of crap that you have written to date.
she knows the consequences of the public forums and that she will be held accountable for her words. Â i personally guaranteed that she did know that with private correspondance, explainiung what this site was all about.
she didn't sign up to be abused in private. Â nobody here has.
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I agree. I support that. I support Triste speaking up, and I support you defending her, and I support PI and Vetivert giving you shit for it. And I also support Hiro, who until this argument right here did not have anybody but Postperson sticking up for him. So I'm going to continue to give my opinion.
more crap.
did you read the peanut gallery responses while i was demonstrating my rare capacity for being patient. PP was not the only one.
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hiro has every right to ignore triste, just as triste has every right to ignore PI. but shouldsn't we have heard from hiro first, rather than lend him a false sense of security?
Yes, in an ideal world. But by the time I got here, you and PI had already been going at it for a page - there was no time to salvage what you wanted. So I added my two cents. I'm thinking we should move this hijack out of hiro's thread though, and into the main event - what do you think?
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and furthermore, i was fighting this battle alone. Â until some of the victims decided to come forward for themselves.
which BTW, lends support to exactly some of the things i told you.
i would hope that the victims can gain a voice. Â that is always the ultimate goal.
my problem came when they tried and were questioned by someone other than who their voice was intended for, in their own personal ask away thread.
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my problem came when they tried and were questioned by someone other than who their voice was intended for, in their own personal ask away thread.
Okay, I may be confused about that part, because by the time I got here, Triste's request was in Hiro's thread - are you saying it started off in Triste's thread or something?
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True. Triste asked him to leave. You support Triste which could be implied that you also want him to leave. But you did not actually ask him to leave.
on the contrary, have you read my reply to him in the main event?
Yes, but I'm confused what point you're trying to make here. I said it could be implied - not that you intended it, not that it was implied. I do see the part of your main event thread where you say you don't hold a grudge and presumably that you also hope Hiro can stay.
i said that he has a choice as to how much he gets scarred.
he will likely feel some embarrassment, but he will get over it.
what does that imply. Â it implies that if he doesn't get over it then he will leave. Â i said he WOULD get over it which implies he stays.
also in the link above i also stated that sometimess people need to see actions before they can trust again. Â how can they see his actions if he were to leave.
i never implied any such thing that he should leave.
i did state that if i was forced to choose, i would choose that the victims remain. Â they could learn more from this place than someone who uses the cover of the night to abuse people.
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people know that when they come here they will be held accountable for their words. how can someone be held accountable for their words when they are occuring under the cover of darkness?
thats a cowards way.
True, and I think Hiro should get his ass out here and defend himself. Though I can see why he might not want to, since his verbal skills are worse than the rest of the people in the argument, and I'm sure he's as aware as you are of how intolerant our society can be to perceived rapists.
i stand by my comment that it is a form of rape and that he preys on vulnerable women specifically.
he needs help, and we can teach each other as a community, setting our own set of morals.
and onmce again you are being hipocritical. why don't you want to understand why one of the victims may have a hard time explaining themselves, especially on a site as brutal as this one can be.
the main problum is the unpublic behaviour
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my problem came when they tried and were questioned by someone other than who their voice was intended for, in their own personal ask away thread.
Okay, I may be confused about that part, because by the time I got here, Triste's request was in Hiro's thread - are you saying it started off in Triste's thread or something?
i am saying that triste broughht it to the appropriate venue (here in hiros thread) why couldn't we have waited for hiro to reply? it is his thread after all.
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i stand by my comment that it is a form of rape and that he preys on vulnerable women specifically.
he needs help, and we can teach each other as a community, setting our own set of morals.
and onmce again you are being hipocritical. why don't you want to understand why one of the victims may have a hard time explaining themselves, especially on a site as brutal as this one can be.
the main problum is the unpublic behaviour
I want to give you a decent answer to this, but I first want to get this mess out of Hiro's thread. However I don't want to move it without confirmation from someone else (anyone!) that it's a good idea, since I'm personally involved and don't want to use admin influence unfairly.
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OK, I agree it is a good idea and I split this from the Ask Hiro Thread back to Triste's post there, since the rest since then was a hijack.
Maybe now we can all wait for Hiro to respond to Triste.
Callaway as Admin
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Thanks, Callaway.
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why don't you want to understand why one of the victims may have a hard time explaining themselves, especially on a site as brutal as this one can be.
Because I have personal issues with Triste. Actually it goes a ways beyond Triste, she just happens to be an example of it. I haven't called her out because my issues with her didn't seem important enough, in the same way that my dislike of peegai wasn't really worth a main event callout (though in retrospect I probably should have called Triste). Also, I couldn't yet see a way for good to come of it. So I was just staying away from her for the most part. But when it looked like her actions might actually drive Hiro away (because both of them are insecure and sensitive) - since Triste already had you, I thought that what was needed was for someone to speak up on Hiro's behalf.
I know that victims can have a hard time explaining themselves. I'm somewhat confused that you, who have been so intolerant of the difficulties of someone like Neuroman, would be so quick to leap to Triste's defense when it's essentially the same issue. My first instinct is to draw gender lines, but I could easily be wrong about that. Anyway - I ultimately don't have a problem with your actions here. Do you have a problem with mine?
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no i dont hold grudges.
i dont care enough to. hey, i invited sean over for a BBQ. ;)
if i was to look deep inside me i would say yeah, its probably gender bias. but i cannot say for sure. the truth probably is that i actually have a deep respect for women and their plight. but my macho image is the one i portray. ???
i gave neuroman a shitload of chances to come clean. he hurt alot of people and he unfairly judged them. then he took my creaqtive concept and claimned it for his own. i have been working on forgiving him, i have a grudge because i cared deeply for him. but i am learning more and more that there is a possibility of multiple personality issues with neuroman, and he honestly doesn't realize that he has fabricated alot of shit.
you are mor evolved than i.
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all of the above still misses the point, mcj. it's not about people having a voice, or whether to make stuff public or not, or anything else you've stated above. it's about people having very little information on which to form opinions, and then being told their opinions are wrong/not viable/damaging/silencing others, when they've asked for more info, and not got it.
from the start, the whole thing was confused, with hiro apparently talkig to himself, you accusing him of all sorts without giving any reason why, etc., etc.
let's start again, and then we can stop getting ourselves any deeper into the confused shit this has turned into: your quoting me shows me that there's a miscommunication going on somewhere, as what i've said above has nothing to do with what i said in the quotations.
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We have a responsibility to see each side in the best way We can see it. Not to be Judgemental in the process or how two members respond to what is happening. The Issue is not protection or somebody asking a member to leave. The Issue is how is best for this site how to handle it in the end. We all as Individuals may handle it in different ways does that make it more right or wrong no. Some may show concerns for a fellow member here and there is that wrong no. Maybe We should step back and wait to see how they respond to this situation how they conduct themselves because of this situation in the end.
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I gave my opinion because people often do on these ask away threads, and its never been a problem before- I was gobsmacked by the idea that anyone would be asked to leave and so I said so. You can call me names, insist that I'm excusing his behaviour or trying to silence a victim but the fact remains I expressed an opinion on a comment made in public, something you wouldn't normally have a problem with, but this time you did. How the hell is anyone supposed to know when its alright by you to have an opinion? And yet you tell me I'm wrong that there's a double standard round here when quite clearly you do have different standards for different members and different situations.
I have no desire to go round in circles on this subject with you- I expressed my opinion and I have made it clear why I did, and also what I was not trying to do. I did not make the comment as a prelude to a fight or call out- the only reason this has carried on as long as it as was because I was put in the position of having to defend my comment.
Some advice for the future- making it clear that you have no respect for the person you are trying to put your point of view across to [or their opinions] puts them in a defensive mode and makes them less likely to want to walk away from a discussion.
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ok then.
perhaps kevv is right 8). and perhaps we should hear from the interreswted party, first. :'(
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all of the above still misses the point, mcj. it's not about people having a voice, or whether to make stuff public or not, or anything else you've stated above. it's about people having very little information on which to form opinions, and then being told their opinions are wrong/not viable/damaging/silencing others, when they've asked for more info, and not got it.
from the start, the whole thing was confused, with hiro apparently talkig to himself, you accusing him of all sorts without giving any reason why, etc., etc.
let's start again, and then we can stop getting ourselves any deeper into the confused shit this has turned into:Â your quoting me shows me that there's a miscommunication going on somewhere, as what i've said above has nothing to do with what i said in the quotations.
this sounds like a hipocritical statement. it seems like people need details and that is just perverse. especially when there is enough information on the boards to formulate a reasonable assessment of the situation.
not my problem if you remain fixed in your selective understanding mode.
not my fault if you are not a person who backs up their words, when it falls outside of your specific agenda.
hmmmm.
you make me curious about so many things.
and i will repeat what i've said elsewhere: you (and this isn't just to kevv) can (misguidedly) call me politically correct all you like, but while there is ONE WOMAN who cannot speak up for herself - or any other member of an "out group" - then i shall speak up for them, and you can try and bully ME into silence as much as you like.
you may continue to bully me if you wish, lucifer, since i am not going to reveal my hand to you or anybody else in public. why should i? would you, if you were doing your best to represent the voiceless crowd. would you get a little irate if someone was posting OUT Of PLACE, and put those goals in jeopardy. i highly doubt that yopu wouldn't as it seems you profess to be (thus the hipocricy).
at least when i had a series of questions for you, and your replies were doubletalk and ambiguous, i had the courrtesy to drop it and take you at your ambiguous word for it.
make up your mind lucifer, which side of the fence are you going to sit on. and just because i have the propensity to act a bit immature at times doesn't make mine a less noble venture than what you claim yours are.
furthermore, i know you quit smoking, but why don't you put that in your pipe and smoke it?
or do you prefer apples?
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You seem obsessed with hiro, mcJ.
like captain Ahab was with the white whale.
i only know hiro from this site, but some of you seem to know him from neurolands. did you have some history with him there mcJ?
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yes a history of support for him.
the consistency by which the claims have come accross my desk began to show a pattern. i did not judge him lightly. i still don't. its just that the unwritten rules need to be established here so this type of actions which occur under cover of the night, need plugging. i am very pleased at the courageous actions of the women to come forward.
i don't appreciate hiro's callous replies.
the fact is that these women feel violated. perhaps some consideration should be made that these feelings are valid...
am i the only one who see's the pattern here. he is more than welcome to post whatever he wants in the public forums, but, this pattern of abuse, to married and vulnerable women, in private correspondance is completely unacceptable.
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you have a lot of private correspondence with some of those women too don't you? shima for example.
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with several people not involved as well.
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especially when there is enough information on the boards to formulate a reasonable assessment of the situation.
I concur, lest look at the record
triste 36.5% of all post in the Sex Forums
hiro sex forums = 0%
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with several people not involved as well.
The Saga lives
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especially when there is enough information on the boards to formulate a reasonable assessment of the situation.
I concur, lest look at the record
triste 36.5% of all post in the Sex Forums
hiro sex forums = 0%
be warned ladies, he is telling you how he selects his victims. at least on of them.
don't you have some questions in the main event? this will ne the last time i ask.
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i just got out the hospitle, i have not made it to that thread yat
care to join for a fucking change???
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I find it absurd when we have thread titles like 'who would you stalk at WP'. I don't know why you go for the UberNT stuff, but you do.
How is that thread any more absurb than other threads here, like donating your cadaver to necrophiliacs or the shagging thread?
Also it was a nostaligic wink the thread that threw the first intensity in the slammer, posted on one of the first days of I2's existence.
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the distinction is that it occured in public.
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I am Locking this thread temporary.
I will be calling out hiro on this subject too.
I think the speculation needs to end too.
Kevv729 as Mediator or as Myself in this.
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I have unlocked.
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all of the above still misses the point, mcj. it's not about people having a voice, or whether to make stuff public or not, or anything else you've stated above. it's about people having very little information on which to form opinions, and then being told their opinions are wrong/not viable/damaging/silencing others, when they've asked for more info, and not got it.
from the start, the whole thing was confused, with hiro apparently talkig to himself, you accusing him of all sorts without giving any reason why, etc., etc.
let's start again, and then we can stop getting ourselves any deeper into the confused shit this has turned into: your quoting me shows me that there's a miscommunication going on somewhere, as what i've said above has nothing to do with what i said in the quotations.
this sounds like a hipocritical statement. it seems like people need details and that is just perverse. especially when there is enough information on the boards to formulate a reasonable assessment of the situation.
not my problem if you remain fixed in your selective understanding mode.
not my fault if you are not a person who backs up their words, when it falls outside of your specific agenda.
hmmmm.
you make me curious about so many things.
back off, mcj - you're attacking both PI and me, and i'm not even sure why, although i suspect you believe we're saying something we're not, or attacking you or those you're defending, and neither of us is doing so. that's why i said "stop, and let's start again".
i'm not asking you to reveal details. i am merely trying to explain why people were curious as to why someone was asked to leave intensity (as they saw it), and then responded assertively after you launched into them.
you may continue to bully me if you wish, lucifer
why do you feel bullied, mcj? i'm not bullying you, just trying to look at the situation and see where the "short circuit" is. interesting that you feel bullied, though, as that says more about you than it does about me. i'm just being speaking assertively. feeling attacked?
since i am not going to reveal my hand to you or anybody else in public. why should i? would you, if you were doing your best to represent the voiceless crowd. would you get a little irate if someone was posting OUT Of PLACE, and put those goals in jeopardy.
not asking you to. read my posts again.
i highly doubt that yopu wouldn't as it seems you profess to be (thus the hipocricy).
at least when i had a series of questions for you, and your replies were doubletalk and ambiguous, i had the courrtesy to drop it and take you at your ambiguous word for it.
sorry - don't get this bit at all. could you rephrase it, please?
make up your mind lucifer, which side of the fence are you going to sit on. and just because i have the propensity to act a bit immature at times doesn't make mine a less noble venture than what you claim yours are.
no idea why you're going at me here, mcj, but it ain't working, and i'll just wait until you've got your tantrum about me out of the way (yet again), as i haven't got an axe to grind with you about this.
furthermore, i know you quit smoking, but why don't you put that in your pipe and smoke it?
or do you prefer apples?
no idea what that means either.
so, to summarise: i'm not asking you to reveal any information which is confidential, or which people have requested that you keep out of the public eye. i am, however, asking that you consider how people will feel if you (and hiro) keep zipping round the board talking about stuff which most other members have little or no idea about, whether or not it's right, wrong, desirable, whatever, that they SHOULD know what's going on. human nature - people don't know something, and it's been hyped up as much as you two have made it, then people are going to want to know.
that make things clearer?
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yes it does.
you are not the person whose motives and/or actions ned to be questioned over this matter.
thank you for your patience.
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If you're going to perform a character assassination on PI, perhaps it would be polite to wait until she gets back on Monday. ::)
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If you're going to perform a character assassination on PI, perhaps it would be polite to wait until she gets back on Monday. ::)
nothing has been said about her since she wasn't around to defend herself.
i am talking about hiro.
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My mistake. Thats the trouble with talking in riddles. ;D
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actually dunc, its my bad. i wish i were a better communicator of my thoughts. my inability to communicate has been getting me into alot of trouble.
when did PI leave?
did she go and visit her parents in france?
because i sent her about 5 pm's yesterday.
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Nah, she's at the seaside with the older two kids, I got back from driving em there about an hour and a half ago. So now I get a couple of days peace from squabbling kids, since the little un can't fight with himself. ;D
She got the PMs last night, as far as I know she felt that you had missed the point somewhat. Other than that you'll have to wait til she gets back for further comment. :P
I think where you fucked up with PI was going on the attack instead of being reasonable and rational - you know her well enough by now to know that gobbing off at her is always counter-productive. ;)
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i know that. i had learned that lesson well, a very long time ago. but the nicey nice, respectful debate with her especially isn't so much fun...
ah well.
one day she will awaken to know that i actually like her. but shhhh, don't tell her because then she will dismiss my name calling, and i won't be able to get her juices flowing.
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the nicey nice, respectful debate with her especially isn't so much fun...
Quoted for the quitter
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nope, i didn't quit. but you persist. i am done, there is a difference.
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you are done when you quit again.
agian, you quit, and you are done.
if you are done, then quit again.
yes, i do see the differences
yes, i will persist in what is justice and truth
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no
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yes, i will persist in what is justice and truth
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no
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no
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at least you know
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no
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are you being immature again
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no
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I am inside your paranoid little mind, deny it, so i can own you, accept it, so i can disown you
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same to you McJ
a no reply = yes
no holds barred boyz
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i mean it, NO!
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then consider it done
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So are You two having fun again.
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consider the underlying meaning kevv.
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So are You two having fun again.
Kevv, sorry to say
No, he never stopped
just switched personalities again
it's not his fault, some are born with
but others do tend to nurture some things
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consider the underlying meaning kevv.
So You are not having fun again more McJagger.
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So are You two having fun again.
Kevv, sorry to say
No, he never stopped
just switched personalities again
it's not his fault, some are born with
but others do tend to nurture some things
Which one is that I wonder?
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Nope, and i wasn't having fun the first time around either. honestly, why don't people open their eyes.
3 seperate women have come forward.
i told him no, in the main event i said wait two days, he posted a dozen times taunting me and showing aggressive bevaviour.
he knows whats going on, this isn't for yours or anybody elses entertainment. i was simply putting him on notice without having to divulge personal, highly abusive behavior. i am offering him an out after accomplishing my goal.
my goal:
raise awareness about private abuse.
allowing an opportunity for the abused to have a voice (which 3 of them have)
plugging the loophole
lending confidence to future victims to post unpublic behaviour which crosses the line.
my final goal will be to show people how to block pm's from people who offer unwelcomed correspondance. once i figure it out for myself.
and i might add kevv, you are acting pretty dense for a mediator.
opening your eyes and gathering the entire picture is a good place to start. if you cannot see the pattern here or the underlying meaning, will you be able to effectively do your job? how many times do i have to spell it out?
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your 3 women have been proven to be liars
just like you have done to yourself
produce facts, not drama
queen
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author=McJagger link=topic=891.msg25433#msg25433 date=1152401866
Nope, and i wasn't having fun the first time around either. honestly, why don't people open their eyes.
3 seperate women have come forward.
i told him no, in the main event i said wait two days, he posted a dozen times taunting me and showing aggressive bevaviour.
he knows whats going on, this isn't for yours or anybody elses entertainment. i was simply putting him on notice without having to divulge personal, highly abusive behavior. i am offering him an out after accomplishing my goal.
my goal:
raise awareness about private abuse.
allowing an opportunity for the abused to have a voice (which 3 of them have)
plugging the loophole
lending confidence to future victims to post unpublic behaviour which crosses the line.
my final goal will be to show people how to block pm's from people who offer unwelcomed correspondance. once i figure it out for myself.
and i might add kevv, you are acting pretty dense for a mediator.
opening your eyes and gathering the entire picture is a good place to start. if you cannot see the pattern here or the underlying meaning, will you be able to effectively do your job? how many times do i have to spell it out?
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author=McJagger link=topic=891.msg25433#msg25433 date=1152401866
Nope, and i wasn't having fun the first time around either. honestly, why don't people open their eyes.
3 seperate women have come forward.
i told him no, in the main event i said wait two days, he posted a dozen times taunting me and showing aggressive bevaviour.
he knows whats going on, this isn't for yours or anybody elses entertainment. i was simply putting him on notice without having to divulge personal, highly abusive behavior. i am offering him an out after accomplishing my goal.
my goal:
raise awareness about private abuse.
allowing an opportunity for the abused to have a voice (which 3 of them have)
plugging the loophole
lending confidence to future victims to post unpublic behaviour which crosses the line.
my final goal will be to show people how to block pm's from people who offer unwelcomed correspondance. once i figure it out for myself.
and i might add kevv, you are acting pretty dense for a mediator.
opening your eyes and gathering the entire picture is a good place to start. if you cannot see the pattern here or the underlying meaning, will you be able to effectively do your job? how many times do i have to spell it out?
Maybe You should have ignored him and not let Him get the best of You then in the end You responded to Him did You not so who is more dense here You or Him.
I am not do anything as mediator here right now I do it as a member nothing more McJagger.
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I will start the vote on the Main Event when the members have something to vote by
it will not be 2 days
the End
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my final goal will be to show people how to block pm's from people who offer unwelcomed correspondance. once i figure it out for myself.
I posted about how to do this days ago:
To block PM's from certain members: go to your profile page, under 'Modify profile' there is a 'personal message options' link, on that page you can add members to your ignore list.
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actually dunc, its my bad. i wish i were a better communicator of my thoughts. my inability to communicate has been getting me into alot of trouble.
when did PI leave?
did she go and visit her parents in france?
because i sent her about 5 pm's yesterday.
I left friday morning but I was too busy getting everything ready thursday evening (that's the trouble with deciding to go camping wednesday night when you don't even have a tent). I did get chance to check my email before I went and I got your pms but I didn't think you were expecting a response, sorry.
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actually dunc, its my bad. i wish i were a better communicator of my thoughts. my inability to communicate has been getting me into alot of trouble.
when did PI leave?
did she go and visit her parents in france?
because i sent her about 5 pm's yesterday.
I left friday morning but I was too busy getting everything ready thursday evening (that's the trouble with deciding to go camping wednesday night when you don't even have a tent). I did get chance to check my email before I went and I got your pms but I didn't think you were expecting a response, sorry.Â
Nah, things happen quickly here and its all pretty much forgotten.
hope you didn't think i was harrassing you with the deluge of pm's. if so, then i am sorry.
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actually dunc, its my bad. i wish i were a better communicator of my thoughts. my inability to communicate has been getting me into alot of trouble.
when did PI leave?
did she go and visit her parents in france?
because i sent her about 5 pm's yesterday.
I left friday morning but I was too busy getting everything ready thursday evening (that's the trouble with deciding to go camping wednesday night when you don't even have a tent). I did get chance to check my email before I went and I got your pms but I didn't think you were expecting a response, sorry.
Nah, things happen quickly here and its all pretty much forgotten.
hope you didn't think i was harrassing you with the deluge of pm's. if so, then i am sorry.
Nah but I was a little offended that you honestly seemed to think nosiness was my motivation.
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but your avatar displays the nose as the centerpiece of the work of art.
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Is this a badger hiro thread? At any rate, this is AS behavior, forget the big picture.
What nationality are you?
Which faces on post reply do you think are gay?
Do you live in big house or little house?
What should go on a pizza?
Is there anything you are allergic to?
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ASPIE TRASH!!!
there's lots of people here that make me avoid this forum from time to time.
I've asked for an 'ignore' button before.
I know you from somewhere.
Did you get hounded away?