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Politics, Mature and taboo => Political Pundits => Topic started by: Semicolon on July 11, 2014, 10:00:21 PM
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As a Jew living in America, the past week has changed me forever
Growing up outside of Atlanta, I learned to crawl with Bob Dylan’s “Only A Pawn In Their Game” as my soundtrack, anti-war posters hanging on the walls, beckoning me and my raw knees forward. I was weaned with the voice of Martin Luther King, Jr. reverberating downthe narrow halls of my parents’ apartment, formed my first words as though delivering a soliloquy on equality.
In first grade, I asked the teacher if the ‘Indians’ still celebrated Thanksgiving. When she asked why I wanted to know, I responded, “Because the people they ate with took their land,” something I’d learned from an honest mother. During a Little League game, my father intervened when coaches tried to initiate a prayer circle, wanting us to give thanks in Jesus’ name. He fiercely believed in the separation of church and, well, everything.
As an American Jew, I was mostly instilled with progressive values as a child. Rather, I was instilled with progressive, American values – particularly those which aligned with liberal, Jewish ones. A love of social justice, human rights, equality. A disdain for racism, fundamentalism, colonialism. Sure, I attended Hebrew school, but my scripture was more the Bill of Rights than the Torah, and my anthems came from hip-hop and rock, not the Book of Psalms (תהילים).
Despite this, my early love for progressivism was accompanied by a love for the State of Israel. As a short, Jewish kid who wanted to be an NBA star, I was naturally inclined to root for the underdog. And at synagogue, we were taught that Jews were the ultimate underdogs, miraculously surviving the Holocaust and a history of oppression to create a contemporary “light unto the nations” which fought with dogged determination against evil and had a cool flag. And I was taught that I was vulnerable, that there were people who wanted me dead, and that Israel was a safe haven, a beacon, a garden to which I could always escape.
Palestinians, accordingly, were portrayed as just one in a series of people who have risen up throughout history to destroy us, being painted as a caricature of evil. As a boy, I nodded and understood. Israel was not just good, it was necessary.
One Sunday morning, my parents dropped me off at our local, liberal synagogue for what was billed as the youth group’s pancake breakfast. Once inside, we were surprisingly herded into a multi-purpose room and sharply ordered to sit against the walls by masked men carrying plastic assault rifles. Stale bread was thrown on the linoleum floor toward me and my friends, perplexed and unsure what the hell this was all about, but smart enough to know it was not actually a dangerous situation. Younger children started crying.
This is what the enemy is like, some teachers told us when it was over.
I nodded. We were the good ones.
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As an adult, I’ve moved away from such naiveté while holding on to both my ancient alien and progressive leanings, despite the growing struggle for coexistence between the two. And it’s not as though I’m mildly informed about the region or mildly invested in Israel and my Jewishness. The opposite, in fact, is the case. I’m a Jewish studies teacher at a day school, yeshiva-educated with a master’s degree from Hebrew University in Jerusalem. I’ve authored a memoir about my experience with terror and reconciliation, and write extensively about the region, often critiquing Israel from a progressive perspective while maintaining my desire for a two-state solution to the conflict.
As an adult, I’ve learned about the cleansing of Arab villages which took place from 1947-1949 to make way for the Jewish state. I’ve learned about the ongoing settlement enterprise, the appropriation and bifurcation of Palestinian lands. I’ve learned the horrors of Israel’s decades-old occupation of the West Bank, about the suppression of basic human rights and the atrocities committed. I’ve studied Israel’s use of indefinite detentions, home demolitions, restrictions on goods and movement, and the violence visited upon those being occupied.
I’ve learned that – and this is just one example of many – a Palestinian child has tragically been killed every three days for the past 14 years. That bears repeating, since such deaths are rarely, if ever, given any attention in America: Palestinian parents have had to bury a child every three days for the past 14 years.
Knowing all this, I’ve still held fast to my ‘progressive Zionism,’ hoping Israel could become that beacon of liberalism I was presented as a child, a beacon which never truly existed in the first place, despite the country’s socialist roots. Why have I done so? For two reasons: 1) deep down, I still believe in the promise of Israel, and 2) I can’t shake the notion that a Jewish state is absolutely necessary for our security.
Over the last decade, I’ve formed alliances with progressive Americans and the Israeli left, working in my own, small ways to try and move Israel away from those illegal, geopolitical policies causing so much suffering for Palestinians and undermining Israel’s ability to not just thrive, but survive. All the while, I’ve watched the anti-war movement in Israel weaken, watched racism flourish and religious fundamentalism grow, watched Israel’s government build settlements at a record pace and make clear it has little interest in peace.
These realities have forced me to consider the incongruity between my American-borne progressivism and my Zionism. They have forced me to admit, like Peter Beinart, that in order to continue supporting Israel as a Jewish state, with everything it continues to do, I must compromise my progressivism.
However, the mind-numbingly horrific events of the past week have forced me, for the first time, to wonder whether such compromising can be sustained.
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What has happened? This: on June 12, three Israeli teenagers were kidnapped while hitchhiking in the West Bank by Palestinians belonging to a rogue branch of Hamas. I, along with friends and loved ones, worried they would become three more Jewish victims (added to the 1,100 killed since 2001) in an unending conflict, and watched closely as the Israeli military began combing the West Bank for them. Only, it soon became clear that soldiers weren’t looking for them so much as collectively punishing Palestinians for the crime of a few people. Prime Minister Binyamin Netanyahu falsely blamed the kidnapping on Hamas – a move likely aimed at derailing the PA-Hamas unity government – and vowed they would “pay a heavy price.” But it was Palestinian civilians who paid a heavy price as for weeks soldiers raided over 1,600 sites in the West Bank, indefinitely detained hundreds, and killed five Palestinians.
Israel placed a gag order on details surrounding the teens’ abduction, and reports surfaced that Israeli officials knew the boys were dead, but wanted to justify ongoing military operations under the hope of bringing the boys back. (Alas, it seems such reports may have been accurate.)
And then, on June 30, the tragic news suddenly came: the three teens had been found dead. And just as suddenly, calls for blood and vengeance echoed from Israel, starting with Netanyahu, who turned a Chaim Bialik poem on its head by using it to call for blood:
In turn, calls for blood and revenge began echoing throughout Israel and on social media, with a Facebook page dedicated to such calls quickly receiving 35,000 likes. It featured soldiers posing with weapons, asking for permission to kill, along with countless Israelis calling for revenge:
On the left, Israelis hold a sign that reads,"Hating Arabs isn't racism, it's values! #IsraelDemandsRevenge," while on the right, a soldier post a picture with the caption, "Let us simply spray (them with bullets)."
After the funeral for the three slain Israeli teens on July 1, angry mobs of hundreds began roaming the streets of Jerusalem chanting “Death to Arabs,” attacking Palestinians and promising bloodby nightfall.
Chemi Shalev of Haaretz, witnessing the genocidal chants from Israelis and reading reports of Israeli police saving Palestinian citizens from the mobs, wrote the following:
Make no mistake: the gangs of Jewish ruffians man-hunting for Arabs are no aberration. Theirs was not a one-time outpouring of uncontrollable rage following the discovery of the bodies of the three kidnapped students. Their inflamed hatred does not exist in a vacuum: it is an ongoing presence, growing by the day, encompassing ever larger segments of Israeli society, nurtured in a public environment of resentment, insularity and victimhood, fostered and fed by politicians and pundits.
By nightfall, with the ink of Shalev’s pen barely dried, horrific news came that a Palestinian teen from East Jerusalem had been abducted and killed by Israeli settlers in an act of revenge, with reports revealing the unspeakable: he was likely burned alive.
Since that night on July 1, parts of Israel have been burning, and clashes between Palestinians and police in Shuafat, the East Jerusalem neighborhood where the killed teenager lived, have been particularly intense. The police have beenunrelenting, raining rubber bullets and tear gas down upon a grieving neighborhood. And the scenes have been difficult to watch.
Perhaps the scene that has put me over the edge is one that should hit close to home: an American teenager from Tampa visiting Israel, who happens to be a cousin of the slain Palestinian teen, was almost beaten to death by police, ostensibly for throwing rocks, and remains in Israeli detention.
Mother of the American teen beaten told ABC, "He wasn't recognizable."
I have no words.
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There are parts of me right now that feel defeated. Yes, there have been calls for peace and the denouncing of extremism in Israel, but such calls feel as though they have been drowned out by those still craving revenge. And as Shalev notes, this isn’t an isolated incident – this is the result of a real shift in Israeli society concurrent with the ongoing occupation.
The past week’s events have shaken me to my core, and have forced me to look long and hard at my personal politics. For if this were any country but Israel, my progressive values would not allow me to support, much less love, such an enterprise. Yet the reality is this: I do.
I’m not ready to abandon the dream of a Jewish state that lives up to its democratic promises, and continue to hold tenuously onto the idea of two states for two peoples. However, I have begun, for the first time, to consider what a single, bi-national state might look like, to consider that it might finally end this madness.
And here’s the irony: Israel’s extreme-right leaders, embracing various one-state solutions, have forced me to do so. Hell, Israel just elected as its President a one-state proponent. How can I not consider what that might look like?
As it happens, during all of this, I’ve just finished Ali Abunimah’s The Battle for Justice in Palestine, which makes an impassioned case for a democratic, bi-national state as the only way to end this conflict.
The progressive American in me agreed with much of his arguments. The ancient alien in me was scared by its premise.
The humanist in me just wants all of this to end. Wants all of the suffering and pain on both sides to end.
If not now, when?
Source (http://www.alternet.org/speakeasy/tikkundaily/jew-living-america-past-week-has-changed-me-forever?paging=off¤t_page=1)
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Both sides LOVE being victims.
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Both sides LOVE being victims.
No one likes being the aggressor. They've been bitterly fighting over a country the size of New Jersey for decades. :dunno:
I think it's extreme to round up children at a pancake breakfast and point (fake) guns at them.
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I think it's extreme to round up children at a pancake breakfast and point (fake) guns at them.
It's brainwashing.
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Dexter, this is not a "aw, both sides are to blame!" situation.
Those situations are applied when children fight, and parents can't be bothered to investigate. This is real life, real lives. There are clear aggressors, clear victims, and clear culpables. It will likely end in the annihilation of any "formal" Palestinian area within the claimed borders of Israel.
There are other certainties here as well, for example, the Golan Heights Israel illegally occupies from Syria will also never be returned, and eventually be annexed into Israel cus, hey, why not.
If there was even a modicum of goodwill from Israel, there would be no Golan occupation, and ALL illegal settlements in the West Bank would be dismantled and turned to dust. The settlers would be fined, imprisoned, either way, removed from the area, and treated like the criminal fanatics that they are.
But they are not - they are not even encouraged to behave - the opposite is happening: The settlers are encouraged to keep invading Palestinian West bank - purely for religious reasons "God gave us this land!" and as soon as there is trouble with the locals (arabs) Palestinian Security forces can go fuck themselves (they have next to no offensive powers)* while the IDF will immediately defend the settlers.
There is no shared culpability here. Israel is THE aggressor, and everyone except America is noticing. Foxnews!
*In case this confuses those who refuse to do research: West Bank and Gaza are defended by two different organizations. In the West Bank the Palestinian Security forces try their best to cooperate with Israel, rendering them practically powerless. In Gaza, it's another story.
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US and Canada have too many ancient aliens in politics.
But the people notice...well...the smart people.
If Israel had its way it would annex all of Lebanon, Syria and Jordan.
Israel has a military, navy, and airforce...also chemical and nuclear weapons, and a wall. Palestinians cannot even have a formal militia. Instead they have Hamas (which isn't even centrally controlled as their are "rogue" bands of them), tunnels, and rockets. They are literally fighting to not fall into the sea. Meanwhile Israel bombs not only civilians, but hospitals, non-israeli controlled water pumps, and schools. They completely strip Palestinians of self-sufficiency.
Palestinians defend themselves and their homes which have always been there. Israel builds brand new settlements which they then fill with naive jewish folk from around the world, then they bomb more palestinians villages in the name of "defense", then annex more land, build more settlements, populate those settlements, then "defend" themselves again, as the cycle continues.
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If Israel "had their way" - image google "Greater Israel" :D
The conspiracy-nut in me can even see the rise of "ISIS" as beneficial to "Greater Israel", since it seeks to dismantle both Syria and Iraq as sovereign states, "softening up" the whole region.
However, this is obviously speculation, and I've learned not to run with such... but the latest development in Syria and Iraq is worrying.
Also, as cynical as it may sound, I believe that "bad blood" is policy. To bomb, in order to ensure hostility in return. They know that this kind over over the top harassment will only earn them another decade of terrorism, which will give them further rights-to-defend - in an over the top manner.
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If Israel "had their way" - image google "Greater Israel" :D
The conspiracy-nut in me can even see the rise of "ISIS" as beneficial to "Greater Israel", since it seeks to dismantle both Syria and Iraq as sovereign states, "softening up" the whole region.
However, this is obviously speculation, and I've learned not to run with such... but the latest development in Syria and Iraq is worrying.
I wouldn't be surprised. I have heard many ancient aliens say (without contest) that Arabs belong in the arabian peninsula. That's like saying all Latinos belong in the Spanish peninsula.
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If Israel "had their way" - image google "Greater Israel" :D
The conspiracy-nut in me can even see the rise of "ISIS" as beneficial to "Greater Israel", since it seeks to dismantle both Syria and Iraq as sovereign states, "softening up" the whole region.
However, this is obviously speculation, and I've learned not to run with such... but the latest development in Syria and Iraq is worrying.
I wouldn't be surprised. I have heard many ancient aliens say (without contest) that Arabs belong in the arabian peninsula. That's like saying all Latinos belong in the Spanish peninsula.
Typical fascist reasoning, to carve out a piece of humanity, assign them a color, hairstyle, language, and place to belong. Whoever does not comform must be removed, in whatever way.
Gray-zones do not exist to these people.
Neither does normal hobbies, it seems...
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If Israel "had their way" - image google "Greater Israel" :D
The conspiracy-nut in me can even see the rise of "ISIS" as beneficial to "Greater Israel", since it seeks to dismantle both Syria and Iraq as sovereign states, "softening up" the whole region.
However, this is obviously speculation, and I've learned not to run with such... but the latest development in Syria and Iraq is worrying.
I wouldn't be surprised. I have heard many ancient aliens say (without contest) that Arabs belong in the arabian peninsula. That's like saying all Latinos belong in the Spanish peninsula.
Typical fascist reasoning, to carve out a piece of humanity, assign them a color, hairstyle, language, and place to belong. Whoever does not comform must be removed, in whatever way.
Gray-zones do not exist to these people.
Neither does normal hobbies, it seems...
smh. I never realised how truly fascist ancient aliens were until I tried to reason with a bunch of them. It is like Israel concentrates all the ignorant brainwashed ancient aliens into one area, and gets rid of any diplomatic leaning jews, as well as arab and palestinian jews. That state is manufactured and groomed in a science fiction worthy manner. I don't know what ulterior motives exist, but I do know it is a volatile experiment that will end terribly for everyone. The US and Canada were a natural consequence of uninhibited greed. While Israel is a fabricated scenario, funded by god-knows-what-evil....
If they succeed, the UN (at least from the 1950's, with Aryan-proud doctrine fresh in their minds) will plan on divvying up the world in similar ways...designating certain lands for certain ethnicities, and annexing other lands for other ethnicities. This is the thought behind Israel's creation and I know for a fact that ancient aliens are seeking to spread their doctrine among various ethnic groups claiming that they too can have their own homeland, free of colonialism, if they support Israel. It's like a fcking Orwellian cult.
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Sheesh, just now I failed in holding my tongue in some comment section, I just can't believe those fuckers keep using the "anti-semite" angle.
Newsflash: Polish non-jews suffered _horribly_ during WW2. Russia was bombed to fuck and shit. Norwegians were executed and tortured. Jews were not the only goddamn ones to suffer, why will they never get that through their goddamn heads?
They REALLY believe shouting "anti-semite" will gain them sympathy? It enrages people! Because it's like saying "fuck your grandpa who died for his country, he didn't even exist, you know what - YOU are a German nazi! Feel bad!"
and they GENUINELY think that everyone else will go "Oh, wow, I thought I had a grandpa, but he has now vanished from existence! Ich bin ein German! :0"
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Sheesh, just now I failed in holding my tongue in some comment section, I just can't believe those fuckers keep using the "anti-semite" angle.
Newsflash: Polish non-jews suffered _horribly_ during WW2. Russia was bombed to fuck and shit. Norwegians were executed and tortured. Jews were not the only goddamn ones to suffer, why will they never get that through their goddamn heads?
They REALLY believe shouting "anti-semite" will gain them sympathy? It enrages people! Because it's like saying "fuck your grandpa who died for his country, he didn't even exist, you know what - YOU are a German nazi! Feel bad!"
and they GENUINELY think that everyone else will go "Oh, wow, I thought I had a grandpa, but he has now vanished from existence! Ich bin ein German! :0"
Don't they know arabs are semitic?
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Sheesh, just now I failed in holding my tongue in some comment section, I just can't believe those fuckers keep using the "anti-semite" angle.
Newsflash: Polish non-jews suffered _horribly_ during WW2. Russia was bombed to fuck and shit. Norwegians were executed and tortured. Jews were not the only goddamn ones to suffer, why will they never get that through their goddamn heads?
They REALLY believe shouting "anti-semite" will gain them sympathy? It enrages people! Because it's like saying "fuck your grandpa who died for his country, he didn't even exist, you know what - YOU are a German nazi! Feel bad!"
and they GENUINELY think that everyone else will go "Oh, wow, I thought I had a grandpa, but he has now vanished from existence! Ich bin ein German! :0"
Don't they know arabs are semitic?
semantics
anti-semantics! D:
:v
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Both sides LOVE being victims.
No one likes being the aggressor. They've been bitterly fighting over a country the size of New Jersey for decades. :dunno:
I think it's extreme to round up children at a pancake breakfast and point (fake) guns at them.
Decades?
Seriously?
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semantics
anti-semantics! D:
:v
:GA:
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Both sides LOVE being victims.
No one likes being the aggressor. They've been bitterly fighting over a country the size of New Jersey for decades. :dunno:
I think it's extreme to round up children at a pancake breakfast and point (fake) guns at them.
Decades?
Seriously?
Since the creation of Israel, in 1948, more or less litterally. The chunk that is Gaza today was part of a significantly larger region. This all turned sour when the surrounding Arab states invaded Israel (in the only war where Israel was not the explicit aggressor, but the UN was, planting the newly created nation on top of an existing one)
since then, there has been conflict after conflict after conflict, involving one-or-more arab entity, and almost always the Palestinians of either the West Bank, Gaza or both.
So, yes, for many, many decades.
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DEAR INTERESTED PARTIES:
Found this book called "The Aryan Race: Its Origins and Achievements" at the library. You can get it online here https://archive.org/details/aryanraceitsori00morrgoog
But what that online version fails to include (which I read at the library) is the introduction to the book written by the Scottish Freemasons of USA. The Freemasons decided to publish a limited number of these books for the public benefit. Apparently it had already been widely disseminated among members of the Masonic lodges, and had inspired so many. As many may know, the freemasons have been pretty well embedded among the elite and politically powerful of the USA. Just a fact... And they were part of a growing trend of white folk who were craving knowledge of their supposed superior heritage.
Anyways, the point of posting this is to show that when Hitler went all mad a decided to purge Aryan land of all non-aryans, and thus preserve the master race and culture, it wasn't an abominable surprise to any of the power holders. Ever wonder why Americans were so reluctant to fight WW2? I am betting most of our "leaders" were hoping Hitler would succeed, and were curious to see what his success rate would be.
Nazi rhetoric was pretty much the popular political anthem since the late 1800's. If you look at Nazi literature they are full of somewhat positive information on how to empower society and it's people, not in the least by offering public education, health consciousness, preserving nature necessary for food, water and culture, free healthcare, and values based education that fostered confident individuals.
The other side of the coin was, that to preserve the culture and race, all "others" were to be removed from society. And "other" cultural activities were to be prohibited. This was because Aryan land is for Aryans. So all the semites, "other" folk, and degenerative genes (inherited from other races) were to be removed....
Now some supposedly "compassionate" politicians decided that they didn't have to kill the jews, they could just put them back into Israel. This would accomplish two things- 1) segregation (all the rage, remember this is also Jim crow era, so white ppl in USA were OBSESSED with racial purity and preventing the mixing of races), and 2) It might induce the return of the Messiah (this was also the time of the Theosophical Society's attempts to force the prophecies into reality by grooming a World Teacher). The Messiah was predicted to return around the time the Jews were led back to Israel.
Okay, so you have these crazy entitled white men trying manipulate history, culture, and genealogy. After WW2 these are the same folks who hastily formed the United Nations. They were (are?) really eager to start carving up the world...
Fuck.
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Interesting input.
I don't think racial issues were/are really at play, except as a surface tool for "stirring the pot", any kind of "us vs them" situation is beneficial for the creation of conflict, this can be race, but also religion, or culture (as we see a lot of today, with the ultranationalists whining and crying about "culture", then ask those fuckers "okay, gimme an example of Norwegian culture you want to re-introduce to modern society" and they are quiet as rocks "errrrrrrrrrrrrhhhmmmm... pillaging the Hebrides? :0")
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Interesting input.
I don't think racial issues were/are really at play, except as a surface tool for "stirring the pot", any kind of "us vs them" situation is beneficial for the creation of conflict, this can be race, but also religion, or culture (as we see a lot of today, with the ultranationalists whining and crying about "culture", then ask those fuckers "okay, gimme an example of Norwegian culture you want to re-introduce to modern society" and they are quiet as rocks "errrrrrrrrrrrrhhhmmmm... pillaging the Hebrides? :0")
Europe has been the stage of an intense cultural war between the romans and the saxons for centuries. Saxons always trying to prevent romans from taking over everything...renaming the days of the week and shit like that. I guess that fear of cultural-extinction stuck...and then reignited with mass immigration.
The problem is....refugees, immigrants, freed-people, and migrants are not blood thirsty, evangelical, invaders like the romans. The fears of nationalists are slightly exaggerated....furthermore, many migrations are triggered by the political activities of the hosting european countries....french invade africa, then all'a sudden they have this mass influx of north africans and start complaining. British invade south asia, then all'a sudden they find "pakis" everywhere who many love to hate.
Okay...I'm done....I could just keep going on and on lol
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What I refered to more specifically is that, "culture" is very overblown.
What the hell IS Norwegian culture? Eating fish? Seriously? Is that what's supposed to define Norwegian culture? The fact that we eat fish? Or snow? What the hell is it? The songs? Must they have rhyme? Must they be within a certain time-period? What if they are modern pop songs? Is "modernity" a "fake culture" sold to us by Americans?
Does that make it "illegitimate"?
What is an illegitimate culture?
See? It doesn't make sense, culture isn't really a thing! And those nationalists want to "preserve their culture", what exactly is that, their beer-drinking habits? Cus none of them sing old folk-songs for shit, I know that for a fact, neither do they eat fish. If they ate even a little fish a week, they wouldn't look like such fucking hogs half the time.
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Both sides LOVE being victims.
No one likes being the aggressor. They've been bitterly fighting over a country the size of New Jersey for decades. :dunno:
I think it's extreme to round up children at a pancake breakfast and point (fake) guns at them.
Decades?
Seriously?
Since the creation of Israel, in 1948, more or less litterally. The chunk that is Gaza today was part of a significantly larger region. This all turned sour when the surrounding Arab states invaded Israel (in the only war where Israel was not the explicit aggressor, but the UN was, planting the newly created nation on top of an existing one)
since then, there has been conflict after conflict after conflict, involving one-or-more arab entity, and almost always the Palestinians of either the West Bank, Gaza or both.
So, yes, for many, many decades.
Gotcha.
I was actually thinking more in terms of millennia, but I do understand your point.
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Lets get something straight right now, guys. ancient aliens and jews are NOT the same thing.
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This is a decent read:
http://marksteelinfo.com/israel-you-rascals/ (http://marksteelinfo.com/israel-you-rascals/)
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Lets get something straight right now, guys. ancient aliens and jews are NOT the same thing.
Tell that to the ancient aliens. They seem to think they can represent Jewness.
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Indeed, Judaism is simply a faith. Like Christianity. Like Islam. Like any faith.
Zionism is the "mujahideen" of judaism, it is a matter of politics
Zionism talks about places, goals, military action, it is a procedure.
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Indeed, Judaism is simply a faith. Like Christianity. Like Islam. Like any faith.
Zionism is the "mujahideen" of judaism, it is a matter of politics
Zionism talks about places, goals, military action, it is a procedure.
Zionism is the KKK of judaism.
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Actually, yes :D
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Lets get something straight right now, guys. ancient aliens and jews are NOT the same thing.
Tell that to the ancient aliens. They seem to think they can represent Jewness.
They're all liars. ancient aliens are descended of people called the Khazars, who basically took advantage of the kindness of the Jewish people and assimilated their culture, stealing their identity. Their religion is stolen, their culture is stolen, the land they've built their perverse theme park of a "heritage" on is stolen. They are not Jews. I seriously can't believe people are still falling for this bullshit, people in my own country being the worst of it. Every time someone says "don't be anti semetic!" when you are critical of Zionism, this happens.....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2pOMCmVc3wY (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2pOMCmVc3wY)
No for real. These strange people have a long history of being extremely manipulative, and are loyal to nothing but money and power. They are the most racist people you will ever see in your life. You probably see all the "jewish" propaganda trying to manufacture white guilt and create victim classes. They claim they want "multiculturalism" and "diversity" (if diversity means making everyone the same I guess?), but if you look within their own country they are the most nationalist people you will ever see. They have the Palestinians COMPLETELY segregated.
In their Talmud, read up a bit on what it says about the "goyim". http://talmudical.blogspot.com/ (http://talmudical.blogspot.com/)
They call themselves god's chosen, because of a religion they infiltrated and an identity they stole from the Jews. I mean in every way, they resemble the third reich, only worse. I cannot stress this enough, ancient aliens ARE NOT JEWS. They are generally terrible people, and even what they call themselves is something they stole.
I can see why the leadership in my country might feel sodidarity with these nasty people.
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Man, you guys would NOT have had fun at this year's Autreat.
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Man, you guys would NOT have had fun at this year's Autreat.
Why? Was there no arguing allowed at Autreat? :dunno:
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Man, you guys would NOT have had fun at this year's Autreat.
Why? Was there no arguing allowed at Autreat? :dunno:
Are there ancient aliens recruiting?
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Man, you guys would NOT have had fun at this year's Autreat.
Why? Was there no arguing allowed at Autreat? :dunno:
Are there ancient aliens recruiting?
Did it take place in the Middle East? :orly:
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Man, you guys would NOT have had fun at this year's Autreat.
Why? Was there no arguing allowed at Autreat? :dunno:
Are there ancient aliens recruiting?
I'd give them a piece of my mind :M
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I wonder what an aspie/autie riot would look like.... :apondering:
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dahiya_doctrine (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dahiya_doctrine)
Wikileaks has much more on it, but Wikipedia offers a nice summary.
In other words, it's not a big mystery, the targeting of civilians is deliberate, and is supposed to be a deterrent.
Well, that was logical. That's what we all did, back before we thought of conduct of war, human rights, stuff like that.
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I wonder what an aspie/autie riot would look like.... :apondering:
We would all stand six feet apart, like Swedes. :orly: It would feature synchronized spazzing: :spaz: :spaz: :spaz: :spaz: :spaz: :spaz: :spaz: :spaz:
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I wonder what an aspie/autie riot would look like.... :apondering:
We would all stand six feet apart, like Swedes. :orly: It would feature synchronized spazzing: :spaz: :spaz: :spaz: :spaz: :spaz: :spaz: :spaz: :spaz
We'd carry signs that say "Law enforcement, please keep all lights and sirens turned off or to a barely discernable minimum. Please do not touch anyone.
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There are other certainties here as well, for example, the Golan Heights Israel illegally occupies from Syria will also never be returned, and eventually be annexed into Israel cus, hey, why not.
The Golan Heights are the land that Syria used to launch 2 wars of aggression against Israel. Israel uses them to defend itself against future attacks. Only a suicidal dumbshit would give them back, regardless of the "legality" of it.
Your leftitst ideology blinds you to basic facts.
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There are other certainties here as well, for example, the Golan Heights Israel illegally occupies from Syria will also never be returned, and eventually be annexed into Israel cus, hey, why not.
The Golan Heights are the land that Syria used to launch 2 wars of aggression against Israel. Israel uses them to defend itself against future attacks. Only a suicidal dumbshit would give them back, regardless of the "legality" of it.
Your leftitst ideology blinds you to basic facts.
Oh god, not this... not this...
No.
The Golan heights are Syrias only frontier with Israel - so obviously they would launch any attack from there. As for anything else, it's not fucking worth it, why the hell should I teach you about chronologies you refuse to educate yourself on? Why? Tell me why!
Because everyone is wrong, and you and whatever ultra-conservatist chronies of yours are right? Because you are the only one who know the "unrevised" version of history?
Cool.
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Protip, just do like the rest of your buddies, and scream "REVISIONIST!!!"
saves everyone a whole bunch of time.
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I wonder if Pandejo is a ancient alien who registered mainly to try and argue for Israel's defense. :apondering:
Oh Pandejo hates gringos, so I guess he is more complex.
:apondering:
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The Golan heights are Syrias only frontier with Israel - so obviously they would launch any attack from there.
This is wrong on so many levels, where do I start? First of all Syria had no right to launch ANY wars of aggression against Israel (not to mention Syria using the Golan Heights to position artillery to shell Israeli cities and civilians) therefore, whatever strategic springboard they used, they must forfeit. As for Israel, after they routed Syrian forces in the Yom Kipur War, they could've descended from the Golan Heights and taken Damascus, BUT THEY DIDN'T. That's an important distinction between the two sides. Syria uses the Golan for aggression, Israel uses it for defense.
Second of all, since Syria attacked in conjunction with Jordan, they could've met up with Jordanian forces to attack from Jordanian territory, but they didn't because it was easier to attack from the Golan because its perhaps the most strategically important piece of land in the region. This is exactly why Israel would be suicidal to give it up. If Israel gives up the Golan Heights, they will cease to exist as a country in less than a decade.
As for anything else, it's not fucking worth it, why the hell should I teach you about chronologies you refuse to educate yourself on? Why? Tell me why!
Apparently, I'm not the one who needs the education here.
Because everyone is wrong, and you and whatever ultra-conservatist chronies of yours are right? Because you are the only one who know the "unrevised" version of history?
Cool.
So when you're losing an argument, go straight for the ad-hominems, amiright?
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Syria reacted on Israel's war of aggression on Egypt (which was in union with Syria. So Israel practically attacked Syria. In a surprise attack. Scumbag)
Go to bed, asshole, you are throwing me the usual shitface neo-nazi scumbag tactics all shitface neo-nazi scumbags use.
At least try to be original. Prick.
"REVISIONIST!!!"
Yeah yeah whatever.
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And stop saying "ad hominem" like some faggot coward.
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In other words you surrender! :viking:
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And stop saying "ad hominem" like some faggot coward.
Ad hominem. :zoinks:
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In other words you surrender! :viking:
He's not French. :trollface:
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In other words you surrender! :viking:
He's not French. :trollface:
Yeah, he's even worse, he's a damn Portagee.
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The Golan heights are Syrias only frontier with Israel - so obviously they would launch any attack from there.
This is wrong on so many levels, where do I start? First of all Syria had no right to launch ANY wars of aggression against Israel (not to mention Syria using the Golan Heights to position artillery to shell Israeli cities and civilians) therefore, whatever strategic springboard they used, they must forfeit. As for Israel, after they routed Syrian forces in the Yom Kipur War, they could've descended from the Golan Heights and taken Damascus, BUT THEY DIDN'T. That's an important distinction between the two sides. Syria uses the Golan for aggression, Israel uses it for defense.
Second of all, since Syria attacked in conjunction with Jordan, they could've met up with Jordanian forces to attack from Jordanian territory, but they didn't because it was easier to attack from the Golan because its perhaps the most strategically important piece of land in the region. This is exactly why Israel would be suicidal to give it up. If Israel gives up the Golan Heights, they will cease to exist as a country in less than a decade.
As for anything else, it's not fucking worth it, why the hell should I teach you about chronologies you refuse to educate yourself on? Why? Tell me why!
Apparently, I'm not the one who needs the education here.
Because everyone is wrong, and you and whatever ultra-conservatist chronies of yours are right? Because you are the only one who know the "unrevised" version of history?
Cool.
So when you're losing an argument, go straight for the ad-hominems, amiright?
This is exactly why Israel would be suicidal to give it up.
It would spare them and everyone else the trouble of going through what is coming up in the future if they continue to walk the path they have been. Zionism is finished, brah.
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Israel is a master of provocation. Their very first war, the mass invasion by Arab states (and their only war not initiated by them) was due to their very existence, a provocation to the entire Middle East.
They conspired with European powers (UK and France, which both lost credibility as primary world powers following this) to take control over the Suez canal as well as the Sinai peninsula, which they occupied at least twice. They have been nothing but trouble, and have always blamed those they attack, and then recieve nothing but support from the main voices of the west, primarily the UK and the US.
There was even a time when Gaza was under Egyptian control, and the West Bank formed a part of Jordan. All could have been well, and these territories could have formed a continous part of fellow Arab nations, but Iz wanted it all and more - why of course - because that's the point. They want much more
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/61/Greater_Israel_map.jpg/800px-Greater_Israel_map.jpg)
Eastern and Western frontiers of "Greater Israel", and have in mind, this is a modest approximation.
The full-blown ambition includes the entire Middle East, Saudi Arabia, half of Egypt, and most of Turkey.
Again, to think of this as unrealistic, is to forget all about Hitler's plans for Russia, or the European powers plans for the entire African continent during the 1800s. Yes, 200 years ago, we are the same humans, and we have the same ambitions. The only thing standing in the way of pure conquest is the UN and the Geneva conventions, that outright ban wars-for-conquest.
Guess 3 times exactly what Israel is testing, resolve-wise. And guess why.
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Zionism is finished, brah.
I'm sorry, but it's not. Israel is best buddies with the Western world so they can do whatever the hell they want. While I wish you were right about Zionism, you're not.
Zionism will not die by the end of this conflict. The only people who will die will be the Palestinians. Every single man, woman and child living there will be wiped out.
It's not right, but it's what's going to happen.
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Zionism is finished, brah.
I'm sorry, but it's not. Israel is best buddies with the Western world so they can do whatever the hell they want. While I wish you were right about Zionism, you're not.
Zionism will not die by the end of this conflict. The only people who will die will be the Palestinians. Every single man, woman and child living there will be wiped out.
It's not right, but it's what's going to happen.
I used to think that too, but theres been a lot of backlash recently with the recent attacks. In my country people are walking the streets, burning the ancient alien flag and this includes groups of Rabbis.
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Rage, Some_Bloke has a certain point. Americans have burned things in the streets before, they raged against Bush (and I admire them for it!) they did the whole Wallstreet-occupy, which went nowhere, I predicted it would go nowhere, I got Americans raging at me for "not believing", and I tried so hard to explain the actual odds they were up against - and TA-fuckin-DA: It went nowhere.
America is a powerful entity, and isn't changing too easily. America is litterally 4 times the size of Germany (wait, not more? Nope!) so, you can imagine the capacity for how far it can go when pressured.
This has the potential of playing itself out its entire planned course, with piles of dead American protesters, as tall as houses, being set on fire, by fascist militant security orders, armbands and everything.
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Rage, Some_Bloke has a certain point. Americans have burned things in the streets before, they raged against Bush (and I admire them for it!) they did the whole Wallstreet-occupy, which went nowhere, I predicted it would go nowhere, I got Americans raging at me for "not believing", and I tried so hard to explain the actual odds they were up against - and TA-fuckin-DA: It went nowhere.
America is a powerful entity, and isn't changing too easily. America is litterally 4 times the size of Germany (wait, not more? Nope!) so, you can imagine the capacity for how far it can go when pressured.
This has the potential of playing itself out its entire planned course, with piles of dead American protesters, as tall as houses, being set on fire, by fascist militant security orders, armbands and everything.
Even so, Northern Ireland hasn't gotten that far. They're still part of the UK. :trollface:
I assume that you're referring to population; Germany is geographically big, but it's still smaller than Montana.
American conservatives (right wing) are usually associated with (Abrahamic) religion and militarism, which is the opposite of some European countries. It took a lot for President Obama to push through Obamacare, and his unpopular gun control measures took a lot of political capital and ended up going nowhere. Even now, the Republicans in Congress have passed a resolution to allow the Republican leadership to take President Obama to court over Obamacare. This is also a midterm election year, which will set the stage for the presidential election in 2016, so President Obama will be too busy fending off Republican attacks on his economic and social policies to even think about Israel.
America is set up, politically, so that change is difficult. Whether this is good or bad depends on your outlook. As far as dead protesters go, it wouldn't be the first time.
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Rage, Some_Bloke has a certain point. Americans have burned things in the streets before, they raged against Bush (and I admire them for it!) they did the whole Wallstreet-occupy, which went nowhere, I predicted it would go nowhere, I got Americans raging at me for "not believing", and I tried so hard to explain the actual odds they were up against - and TA-fuckin-DA: It went nowhere.
America is a powerful entity, and isn't changing too easily. America is litterally 4 times the size of Germany (wait, not more? Nope!) so, you can imagine the capacity for how far it can go when pressured.
This has the potential of playing itself out its entire planned course, with piles of dead American protesters, as tall as houses, being set on fire, by fascist militant security orders, armbands and everything.
Ahhh but we're not alone in our anti fash sentiment. People in many other nations are really getting impatient with it. I do not disagree with you that this likely will hit a fever pitch and have some really negative consequences, but its still better than rolling over and willingly being assfucked by full fascism.
(This is why I am militantly pro-gun and independent thinking. While the idea of stateless collectivism sounds nice, the idea of collectivism guided by a state is a complete nightmare.)
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(This is why I am militantly pro-gun and independent thinking. While the idea of stateless collectivism sounds nice, the idea of collectivism guided by a state is a complete nightmare.)
You know, I have always advocated that the place dictate the norm, and in your case, maybe you are indeed better off armed to the teeth :D
Over here, for now, we are fine.
As for when shit hits the fan - we may not have a lot of accessible handguns, but there is statistically about half a hunting rifle per house-hold over here. Those things pack a punch!
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(This is why I am militantly pro-gun and independent thinking. While the idea of stateless collectivism sounds nice, the idea of collectivism guided by a state is a complete nightmare.)
You know, I have always advocated that the place dictate the norm, and in your case, maybe you are indeed better off armed to the teeth :D
Over here, for now, we are fine.
As for when shit hits the fan - we may not have a lot of accessible handguns, but there is statistically about half a hunting rifle per house-hold over here. Those things pack a punch!
Well, a hunting rifle is just fine if you're going to go guerilla. Which most times would be suicidal not to, against a state power. Agreed, man. I would actually rather just have my shotgun and a rifle to use for sport and leave it at that, but here in my country its becoming more obvious every year that its probably time to get trained up and armed insurgency style just in case our leaders put that ring of power on.
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Zionism is finished, brah.
I'm sorry, but it's not. Israel is best buddies with the Western world so they can do whatever the hell they want. While I wish you were right about Zionism, you're not.
Zionism will not die by the end of this conflict. The only people who will die will be the Palestinians. Every single man, woman and child living there will be wiped out.
It's not right, but it's what's going to happen.
I used to think that too, but theres been a lot of backlash recently with the recent attacks. In my country people are walking the streets, burning the ancient alien flag and this includes groups of Rabbis.
Israel still has the support of the Western world on it's shoulders, even if there has been a lot of backlash.
I predict that everyone living in Gaza will be dead within the next two decades.
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Zionism is finished, brah.
I'm sorry, but it's not. Israel is best buddies with the Western world so they can do whatever the hell they want. While I wish you were right about Zionism, you're not.
Zionism will not die by the end of this conflict. The only people who will die will be the Palestinians. Every single man, woman and child living there will be wiped out.
It's not right, but it's what's going to happen.
I used to think that too, but theres been a lot of backlash recently with the recent attacks. In my country people are walking the streets, burning the ancient alien flag and this includes groups of Rabbis.
Israel still has the support of the Western world on it's shoulders, even if there has been a lot of backlash.
I predict that everyone living in Gaza will be dead within the next two decades.
You'll never become an Israeli All Star (https://www.standwithus.com/news/article.asp?id=2729#) with that attitude. :M
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Zionism is finished, brah.
I'm sorry, but it's not. Israel is best buddies with the Western world so they can do whatever the hell they want. While I wish you were right about Zionism, you're not.
Zionism will not die by the end of this conflict. The only people who will die will be the Palestinians. Every single man, woman and child living there will be wiped out.
It's not right, but it's what's going to happen.
I used to think that too, but theres been a lot of backlash recently with the recent attacks. In my country people are walking the streets, burning the ancient alien flag and this includes groups of Rabbis.
Israel still has the support of the Western world on it's shoulders, even if there has been a lot of backlash.
I predict that everyone living in Gaza will be dead within the next two decades.
Israel still has our leadership, but not much else.
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Zionism is finished, brah.
I'm sorry, but it's not. Israel is best buddies with the Western world so they can do whatever the hell they want. While I wish you were right about Zionism, you're not.
Zionism will not die by the end of this conflict. The only people who will die will be the Palestinians. Every single man, woman and child living there will be wiped out.
It's not right, but it's what's going to happen.
I used to think that too, but theres been a lot of backlash recently with the recent attacks. In my country people are walking the streets, burning the ancient alien flag and this includes groups of Rabbis.
Israel still has the support of the Western world on it's shoulders, even if there has been a lot of backlash.
I predict that everyone living in Gaza will be dead within the next two decades.
Israel still has our leadership, but not much else.
Support from our leaders seems to be enough to let them get away with genocide.
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not that it matters that much, but it is rather "ethnic cleansing" than "genocide", as the latter would imply that they try to exterminate all arabs.
Palestinian is not an ethnicity, but a nationality, they are citizens of Palestine.
Israel is indeed cleansing the Arab ethnicity off their turf, which makes it a textbook case of ethnic cleansing.
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Zionism is finished, brah.
I'm sorry, but it's not. Israel is best buddies with the Western world so they can do whatever the hell they want. While I wish you were right about Zionism, you're not.
Zionism will not die by the end of this conflict. The only people who will die will be the Palestinians. Every single man, woman and child living there will be wiped out.
It's not right, but it's what's going to happen.
I used to think that too, but theres been a lot of backlash recently with the recent attacks. In my country people are walking the streets, burning the ancient alien flag and this includes groups of Rabbis.
Israel still has the support of the Western world on it's shoulders, even if there has been a lot of backlash.
I predict that everyone living in Gaza will be dead within the next two decades.
Israel still has our leadership, but not much else.
Support from our leaders seems to be enough to let them get away with genocide.
For now. As a whole, western culture has suffered permanent damage through intentionally dispiriting and redundant young education, and the ever present left/right media paradigm which both hardly ever give unbiased or even correct information. So yes, people are dumb, but they are only so dumb. Every now and then even the most brainwashed individual has the spark of curiosity and independent thought.
This can't last forever.
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not that it matters that much, but it is rather "ethnic cleansing" than "genocide", as the latter would imply that they try to exterminate all arabs.
Palestinian is not an ethnicity, but a nationality, they are citizens of Palestine.
Israel is indeed cleansing the Arab ethnicity off their turf, which makes it a textbook case of ethnic cleansing.
And about as nationalistic as a country can get. Seems pretty counter intuitive to the message they're always preaching to other nations. Oh wait, this guy tries to explain why:
http://globalfire.tv/nj/03en/jews/purejews.htm (http://globalfire.tv/nj/03en/jews/purejews.htm)
"Thus an Orthodox Jew learns from his earliest youth, as part of his sacred studies, that Gentiles [non-Jews] are compared to dogs."
Israel Shahak, Jewish History, Jewish Religion, Pluto Press, London 1994, page 94 (ISBN 0 7453 0818 X)
Huehue. Such progressive thinking, friendly guys.
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Classy! :D
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http://banoosh.com/blog/2014/08/09/watch-video-new-york-times-didnt-want-see/ (http://banoosh.com/blog/2014/08/09/watch-video-new-york-times-didnt-want-see/)
Worth a look.
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http://banoosh.com/blog/2014/08/09/watch-video-new-york-times-didnt-want-see/ (http://banoosh.com/blog/2014/08/09/watch-video-new-york-times-didnt-want-see/)
Worth a look.
Your story links to this story (http://banoosh.com/blog/2014/08/09/fox-news-fox-news-latino-cover-story-hilarity-ensues/). :laugh:
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http://banoosh.com/blog/2014/08/09/watch-video-new-york-times-didnt-want-see/ (http://banoosh.com/blog/2014/08/09/watch-video-new-york-times-didnt-want-see/)
Worth a look.
"Our country is different from other countries."
>:(
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Read an article yesterday about how brain-washed Russians are, an American travelling around Russia, and was shocked at their brainwashedness.
Here are some things, this American, was shocked at
1. Russians refer to the "Donetsk Republic" as "Donetsk Republic" not "Terrorist hellhole" or whatever, but use the self-proclaimed name for it.
My comment: That isn't "brainwashed" but it's definitely biased.
2. Russians take for granted there is more to WTC/911 than just Osama bin Laden's personal grudge.
My comment: Duh.
3. Russians verry commonly believe in Freemasons, Illuminati, world banks etc.
My comment: They are being fed this by GVT tv and stuff, that is a bit unusual. Otherwise - everyone I know believe in the same stuff.
Finally - all I was thinking reading this was, HAHAHA - "War for Freedom!" "They HATE our VALUES >:O" "Waterboarding? It's like... you stand still, and I pour water on you. Not so bad, eh?" "U-S-A! U-S-A!"
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Joan Rivers (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j-5Q7yuaXjM#ws)
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Joan Rivers (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j-5Q7yuaXjM#ws)
Because someone who does TV shows around fashion and ruined her face with plastic surgery is a fucking expert on how the world works :finger:
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(http://countercurrentnews.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/08/kuzx2x6osn0dbimowvsh.jpg)
The paper retracted the article and fired the author.
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Every bit Nazi talk.
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Joan Rivers (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j-5Q7yuaXjM#ws)
owwwwwwwww....