An American Jew reflects on the Middle East

[Gopher Gary]

And stop saying "ad hominem" like some faggot coward.

Ad hominem. 

[Semicolon]

In other words you surrender! 

He's not French.

[Yuri Bezmenov]

In other words you surrender! 

He's not French.

Yeah, he's even worse, he's a damn Portagee.

[RageBeoulve]

The Golan heights are Syrias only frontier with Israel - so obviously they would launch any attack from there.

This is wrong on so many levels, where do I start? First of all Syria had no right to launch ANY wars of aggression against Israel (not to mention Syria using the Golan Heights to position artillery to shell Israeli cities and civilians) therefore, whatever strategic springboard they used, they must forfeit. As for Israel, after they routed Syrian forces in the Yom Kipur War, they could've descended from the Golan Heights and taken Damascus, BUT THEY DIDN'T. That's an important distinction between the two sides. Syria uses the Golan for aggression, Israel uses it for defense.
 Second of all, since Syria attacked in conjunction with Jordan, they could've met up with Jordanian forces to attack from Jordanian territory, but they didn't because it was easier to attack from the Golan because its perhaps the most strategically important piece of land in the region. This is exactly why Israel would be suicidal to give it up. If Israel gives up the Golan Heights, they will cease to exist as a country in less than a decade.

 

As for anything else, it's not fucking worth it, why the hell should I teach you about chronologies you refuse to educate yourself on? Why? Tell me why!

Apparently, I'm not the one who needs the education here.

Because everyone is wrong, and you and whatever ultra-conservatist chronies of yours are right? Because you are the only one who know the "unrevised" version of history?

Cool.

So when you're losing an argument, go straight for the ad-hominems, amiright?

This is exactly why Israel would be suicidal to give it up.

It would spare them and everyone else the trouble of going through what is coming up in the future if they continue to walk the path they have been. Zionism is finished, brah.

[ZEGH8578]

Israel is a master of provocation. Their very first war, the mass invasion by Arab states (and their only war not initiated by them) was due to their very existence, a provocation to the entire Middle East.

They conspired with European powers (UK and France, which both lost credibility as primary world powers following this) to take control over the Suez canal as well as the Sinai peninsula, which they occupied at least twice. They have been nothing but trouble, and have always blamed those they attack, and then recieve nothing but support from the main voices of the west, primarily the UK and the US.

There was even a time when Gaza was under Egyptian control, and the West Bank formed a part of Jordan. All could have been well, and these territories could have formed a continous part of fellow Arab nations, but Iz wanted it all and more - why of course - because that's the point. They want much more


Eastern and Western frontiers of "Greater Israel", and have in mind, this is a modest approximation.
The full-blown ambition includes the entire Middle East, Saudi Arabia, half of Egypt, and most of Turkey.

Again, to think of this as unrealistic, is to forget all about Hitler's plans for Russia, or the European powers plans for the entire African continent during the 1800s. Yes, 200 years ago, we are the same humans, and we have the same ambitions. The only thing standing in the way of pure conquest is the UN and the Geneva conventions, that outright ban wars-for-conquest.

Guess 3 times exactly what Israel is testing, resolve-wise. And guess why.

[Arya Quinn]

Zionism is finished, brah.

I'm sorry, but it's not. Israel is best buddies with the Western world so they can do whatever the hell they want. While I wish you were right about Zionism, you're not.

Zionism will not die by the end of this conflict. The only people who will die will be the Palestinians. Every single man, woman and child living there will be wiped out.

It's not right, but it's what's going to happen.

[RageBeoulve]

Zionism is finished, brah.

I'm sorry, but it's not. Israel is best buddies with the Western world so they can do whatever the hell they want. While I wish you were right about Zionism, you're not.

Zionism will not die by the end of this conflict. The only people who will die will be the Palestinians. Every single man, woman and child living there will be wiped out.

It's not right, but it's what's going to happen.

I used to think that too, but theres been a lot of backlash recently with the recent attacks. In my country people are walking the streets, burning the ancient alien flag and this includes groups of Rabbis.

[ZEGH8578]

Rage, Some_Bloke has a certain point. Americans have burned things in the streets before, they raged against Bush (and I admire them for it!) they did the whole Wallstreet-occupy, which went nowhere, I predicted it would go nowhere, I got Americans raging at me for "not believing", and I tried so hard to explain the actual odds they were up against - and TA-fuckin-DA: It went nowhere.

America is a powerful entity, and isn't changing too easily. America is litterally 4 times the size of Germany (wait, not more? Nope!) so, you can imagine the capacity for how far it can go when pressured.

This has the potential of playing itself out its entire planned course, with piles of dead American protesters, as tall as houses, being set on fire, by fascist militant security orders, armbands and everything.

[Semicolon]

Rage, Some_Bloke has a certain point. Americans have burned things in the streets before, they raged against Bush (and I admire them for it!) they did the whole Wallstreet-occupy, which went nowhere, I predicted it would go nowhere, I got Americans raging at me for "not believing", and I tried so hard to explain the actual odds they were up against - and TA-fuckin-DA: It went nowhere.

America is a powerful entity, and isn't changing too easily. America is litterally 4 times the size of Germany (wait, not more? Nope!) so, you can imagine the capacity for how far it can go when pressured.

This has the potential of playing itself out its entire planned course, with piles of dead American protesters, as tall as houses, being set on fire, by fascist militant security orders, armbands and everything.

Even so, Northern Ireland hasn't gotten that far. They're still part of the UK.

I assume that you're referring to population; Germany is geographically big, but it's still smaller than Montana.

American conservatives (right wing) are usually associated with (Abrahamic) religion and militarism, which is the opposite of some European countries. It took a lot for President Obama to push through Obamacare, and his unpopular gun control measures took a lot of political capital and ended up going nowhere. Even now, the Republicans in Congress have passed a resolution to allow the Republican leadership to take President Obama to court over Obamacare. This is also a midterm election year, which will set the stage for the presidential election in 2016, so President Obama will be too busy fending off Republican attacks on his economic and social policies to even think about Israel.

America is set up, politically, so that change is difficult. Whether this is good or bad depends on your outlook. As far as dead protesters go, it wouldn't be the first time.

[RageBeoulve]

Rage, Some_Bloke has a certain point. Americans have burned things in the streets before, they raged against Bush (and I admire them for it!) they did the whole Wallstreet-occupy, which went nowhere, I predicted it would go nowhere, I got Americans raging at me for "not believing", and I tried so hard to explain the actual odds they were up against - and TA-fuckin-DA: It went nowhere.

America is a powerful entity, and isn't changing too easily. America is litterally 4 times the size of Germany (wait, not more? Nope!) so, you can imagine the capacity for how far it can go when pressured.

This has the potential of playing itself out its entire planned course, with piles of dead American protesters, as tall as houses, being set on fire, by fascist militant security orders, armbands and everything.

Ahhh but we're not alone in our anti fash sentiment. People in many other nations are really getting impatient with it. I do not disagree with you that this likely will hit a fever pitch and have some really negative consequences, but its still better than rolling over and willingly being assfucked by full fascism.

(This is why I am militantly pro-gun and independent thinking. While the idea of stateless collectivism sounds nice, the idea of collectivism guided by a state is a complete nightmare.)

[ZEGH8578]

(This is why I am militantly pro-gun and independent thinking. While the idea of stateless collectivism sounds nice, the idea of collectivism guided by a state is a complete nightmare.)

You know, I have always advocated that the place dictate the norm, and in your case, maybe you are indeed better off armed to the teeth
Over here, for now, we are fine.

As for when shit hits the fan - we may not have a lot of accessible handguns, but there is statistically about half a hunting rifle per house-hold over here. Those things pack a punch!

[RageBeoulve]

(This is why I am militantly pro-gun and independent thinking. While the idea of stateless collectivism sounds nice, the idea of collectivism guided by a state is a complete nightmare.)

You know, I have always advocated that the place dictate the norm, and in your case, maybe you are indeed better off armed to the teeth
Over here, for now, we are fine.

As for when shit hits the fan - we may not have a lot of accessible handguns, but there is statistically about half a hunting rifle per house-hold over here. Those things pack a punch!

Well, a hunting rifle is just fine if you're going to go guerilla. Which most times would be suicidal not to, against a state power. Agreed, man. I would actually rather just have my shotgun and a rifle to use for sport and leave it at that, but here in my country its becoming more obvious every year that its probably time to get trained up and armed insurgency style just in case our leaders put that ring of power on.

[Arya Quinn]

Zionism is finished, brah.

I'm sorry, but it's not. Israel is best buddies with the Western world so they can do whatever the hell they want. While I wish you were right about Zionism, you're not.

Zionism will not die by the end of this conflict. The only people who will die will be the Palestinians. Every single man, woman and child living there will be wiped out.

It's not right, but it's what's going to happen.

I used to think that too, but theres been a lot of backlash recently with the recent attacks. In my country people are walking the streets, burning the ancient alien flag and this includes groups of Rabbis.

Israel still has the support of the Western world on it's shoulders, even if there has been a lot of backlash.

I predict that everyone living in Gaza will be dead within the next two decades.

[Semicolon]

Zionism is finished, brah.

I'm sorry, but it's not. Israel is best buddies with the Western world so they can do whatever the hell they want. While I wish you were right about Zionism, you're not.

Zionism will not die by the end of this conflict. The only people who will die will be the Palestinians. Every single man, woman and child living there will be wiped out.

It's not right, but it's what's going to happen.

I used to think that too, but theres been a lot of backlash recently with the recent attacks. In my country people are walking the streets, burning the ancient alien flag and this includes groups of Rabbis.

Israel still has the support of the Western world on it's shoulders, even if there has been a lot of backlash.

I predict that everyone living in Gaza will be dead within the next two decades.

You'll never become an Israeli All Star with that attitude.

[RageBeoulve]

Zionism is finished, brah.

I'm sorry, but it's not. Israel is best buddies with the Western world so they can do whatever the hell they want. While I wish you were right about Zionism, you're not.

Zionism will not die by the end of this conflict. The only people who will die will be the Palestinians. Every single man, woman and child living there will be wiped out.

It's not right, but it's what's going to happen.

I used to think that too, but theres been a lot of backlash recently with the recent attacks. In my country people are walking the streets, burning the ancient alien flag and this includes groups of Rabbis.

Israel still has the support of the Western world on it's shoulders, even if there has been a lot of backlash.

I predict that everyone living in Gaza will be dead within the next two decades.

Israel still has our leadership, but not much else.