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Politics, Mature and taboo => Political Pundits => Topic started by: Calavera on January 24, 2012, 07:27:57 AM

Title: Phoenician not Arab.
Post by: Calavera on January 24, 2012, 07:27:57 AM
Here's something I must tell you. I'm Lebanese as some of you know by now. But what many of you don't realize is that I'm not technically an Arab. A Lebanese is not necessarily Arab even if we speak Lebanese Arabic.

Find out about my possible Phoenician roots here:
http://phoenicia.org/testimonial.html (http://phoenicia.org/testimonial.html)

Or if you didn't like that link (it may not be objective), just Google for other sites expounding on this. It makes more sense judging from my family name that I'm of Phoenician/Canaanite origin. It's very similar to a Hebrew name that I spot in the Bible.
Title: Re: Phoenician not Arab.
Post by: Dexter Morgan on January 27, 2012, 10:39:29 AM
Ugh.  Am I the only one who doesn't give a fuck about my heritage?  We're all human.  Why can't we leave it at that?
Title: Re: Phoenician not Arab.
Post by: PuppetSockPenguin on January 27, 2012, 10:41:49 AM
Ugh.  Am I the only one who doesn't give a fuck about my heritage?  We're all human.  Why can't we leave it at that?

Agreed. I don't understand heritage, or staying true to ones roots/culture, or anything like that.
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Post by: odeon on January 27, 2012, 11:01:05 AM
Because it can be interesting. Yes, you are human but you are also the result of your heritage.
Title: Re: Phoenician not Arab.
Post by: Calavera on January 27, 2012, 03:46:21 PM
I may be human, but I'm Lebanese. :P
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Post by: eris on January 27, 2012, 03:53:10 PM
my grandmother is greek romani. sometimes it intrigues people, sometime it puts people off. i promise you i wont steal your wallet.

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Post by: odeon on January 28, 2012, 02:56:55 AM
I like the romani. Lots of them where I grew up.
Title: Re: Phoenician not Arab.
Post by: Pig on January 28, 2012, 03:33:11 AM
I've never cared about my heritage.  I don't like the idea of being part of a lineage; I'd rather be a fresh individual with my own thoughts and accomplishments.  In some ways ancestry can be interesting, but I don't like the idea of taking "pride" in your heritage.  Actually I don't like the idea of taking pride in anything, since by the implications of determinism both pride and shame are illogical.

Also McDonald's is the healthiest restaurant in America.
Title: Re: Phoenician not Arab.
Post by: odeon on January 28, 2012, 03:37:09 AM
I've never cared about my heritage.  I don't like the idea of being part of a lineage; I'd rather be a fresh individual with my own thoughts and accomplishments.  In some ways ancestry can be interesting, but I don't like the idea of taking "pride" in your heritage.  Actually I don't like the idea of taking pride in anything, since by the implications of determinism both pride and shame are illogical.

Also McDonald's is the healthiest restaurant in America.

No such thing as a fresh individual. It's not determinism, it's just that you are surrounded by all kinds of influences, from heritage to genes to society to just about everything. You can't not be affected. Just the way it is.
Title: Re: Phoenician not Arab.
Post by: Calavera on January 28, 2012, 04:00:57 AM
I've never cared about my heritage.  I don't like the idea of being part of a lineage; I'd rather be a fresh individual with my own thoughts and accomplishments.  In some ways ancestry can be interesting, but I don't like the idea of taking "pride" in your heritage.  Actually I don't like the idea of taking pride in anything, since by the implications of determinism both pride and shame are illogical.

Good. I'm logically determined to be proud of my heritage. :autism:
Title: Re: Phoenician not Arab.
Post by: Pyraxis on January 28, 2012, 04:03:14 AM
This thread confused me. Are you saying you're the person who sent the messages in your link?
Title: Re: Phoenician not Arab.
Post by: Calavera on January 28, 2012, 04:05:09 AM
This thread confused me. Are you saying you're the person who sent the messages in your link?

Do I look like Muslim lady? :autism:
Title: Re: Phoenician not Arab.
Post by: Callaway on January 28, 2012, 04:08:57 AM
Also McDonald's is the healthiest restaurant in America.

 :o

Really?  I just read earlier today that a teenaged girl collapsed because she had eaten little more than Chicken McNuggets most of her life:

http://health.yahoo.net/experts/dayinhealth/chicken-nuggets-how-bad-are-they (http://health.yahoo.net/experts/dayinhealth/chicken-nuggets-how-bad-are-they)

Title: Re: Phoenician not Arab.
Post by: Pyraxis on January 28, 2012, 04:09:20 AM
This thread confused me. Are you saying you're the person who sent the messages in your link?

Do I look like Muslim lady? :autism:

Ohh, that's what confused me. I saw the message from a "Khaled" first and thought that was supposed to be you, but then that was the person who had put up the page, not the person who was writing in. So I didn't get what your point was about heritage.
Title: Re: Phoenician not Arab.
Post by: Calavera on January 28, 2012, 04:10:45 AM
I just think it's cool that I may be more of a Canaanite rather than a historical Arab in origin.
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Post by: Pyraxis on January 28, 2012, 04:13:10 AM
Clearly I don't know my world history. I didn't know Caananites were usually thought to be Christian.
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Post by: Adam on January 28, 2012, 04:15:10 AM
I'm a british-irish mongrel
Title: Re: Phoenician not Arab.
Post by: Calavera on January 28, 2012, 04:27:05 AM
Clearly I don't know my world history. I didn't know Caananites were usually thought to be Christian.

Yeah, because obviously, my distant ancestors must definitely share the same religious background as me in order for them to be my ancestors.
Title: Re: Phoenician not Arab.
Post by: Pyraxis on January 28, 2012, 05:09:41 AM
 :LOL: Clearly.
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Post by: Al Swearegen on January 28, 2012, 05:24:10 AM
I am a bitsa.
Aboriginal
English
Irish
Scottish
German
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Post by: Queen Victoria on January 28, 2012, 11:50:27 AM
I'm Irish, German, French, English, Welsh
PA is German, French
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Post by: Pig on January 28, 2012, 03:22:36 PM
No such thing as a fresh individual. It's not determinism, it's just that you are surrounded by all kinds of influences, from heritage to genes to society to just about everything. You can't not be affected. Just the way it is.
I'm aware that I am completely the product of my environment and genetics - but I don't want to become biased to appreciate one culture more than another, if I can help it.  My self-identity shouldn't be married to something as inane (IMO) as ethnic heritage.

Being "proud" of your heritage has always just rubbed me the wrong way.  It has implicit links to racism in my opinion.  There is a certain conceit in feeling that your ancestors' accomplishments were also partly your own.

I think it's fine to be "interested" in your genealogy, just not "proud" of it.  But what do I know anyway?  ???

Title: Re: Phoenician not Arab.
Post by: Pyraxis on January 28, 2012, 03:47:24 PM
I think it's easier to be proud of your heritage if it's in the minority in your area. I'm a boring Western mutt.
Title: Re: Phoenician not Arab.
Post by: "couldbecousin" on January 28, 2012, 05:02:52 PM
I think it's easier to be proud of your heritage if it's in the minority in your area. I'm a boring Western mutt.

 But mutts are interesting!  What kind of mutt are you?   :dog:
Title: Re: Phoenician not Arab.
Post by: "couldbecousin" on January 28, 2012, 05:04:55 PM
 I am Austrian with a little Polish on my father's side.


 I am Irish with a little English and possibly a little Native American on my mother's side.


 I love ethnicity, it is one of my speshul interests!  :autism:
Title: Re: Phoenician not Arab.
Post by: Pyraxis on January 28, 2012, 10:28:36 PM
I'm English, Welsh, German and Nebraskan.
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Post by: odeon on January 29, 2012, 02:43:25 AM
No such thing as a fresh individual. It's not determinism, it's just that you are surrounded by all kinds of influences, from heritage to genes to society to just about everything. You can't not be affected. Just the way it is.
I'm aware that I am completely the product of my environment and genetics - but I don't want to become biased to appreciate one culture more than another, if I can help it.  My self-identity shouldn't be married to something as inane (IMO) as ethnic heritage.

Being "proud" of your heritage has always just rubbed me the wrong way.  It has implicit links to racism in my opinion.  There is a certain conceit in feeling that your ancestors' accomplishments were also partly your own.

I think it's fine to be "interested" in your genealogy, just not "proud" of it.  But what do I know anyway?  ???

There's nothing wrong with being proud of where you come from. You will quite naturally form a bias based on your culture. It doesn't mean that other cultures are worth less. Quite the opposite, as a matter of fact; it can help you appreciate the others more.

It only becomes racism when you get the notion that your heritage is "the right one", that it's somehow better than the others.
Title: Re: Phoenician not Arab.
Post by: odeon on January 29, 2012, 02:43:54 AM
I am Austrian with a little Polish on my father's side.


 I am Irish with a little English and possibly a little Native American on my mother's side.


 I love ethnicity, it is one of my speshul interests!  :autism:

I'm a bit Polish on my father's side too.