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Start here => What's your crime? Basic Discussion => Topic started by: ZEGH8578 on February 08, 2013, 11:12:53 AM
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Me and a friend discussed this, as we were talking about how to potentially survive a homicidal mass murderer gone spree killing.
We were trying to see what would cause which emotional reaction in the killer.
For example, during the Utøya massacre, two of the survivors had actually faced him, and confronted him - they had communicated, and survived through communication:
One young boy told him that he was too young to die, and sternly told him that he had killed enough. This caused the killer to stop, and move on. The next one had simply shouted "Listen to me!" for then to beg "Don't shoot me!". The vast majority of the victims had, unfortunately, just broken down, and were in shock, mostly screaming and crying, or whimpering pleas that didn't emotionally affect the killer.
Either way, we came to the idea that confusion could probably either save you - or kill you, but it would be like a gamble - in a situation where death was otherwise almost certain. For example, a robot dance!
The backside of spontaneously going into a robot dance, would be that if he decided to just shoot you right down anyway, this would be an extremely silly way to die. But then again, would it really be more proper screaming and begging?
Then I begun thinking of the continuing implications of robot dancing. Not only would it confuse the killer, but the fleeing people too. They would suddenly be convinced - even relieved - that "it is all just an elaborate joke", untill he gets blasted down. Any surviving witness would be truly confused by this, because it would have been so memorable.
If identified, the dancing victim would leave very confused parents, and loved-ones.
"Why didn't he flee!? Why stop and robot-dance!? He never even robot-danced before!!!"
On the tomb-stone
"For some reason, he robot-danced"
:cbc:
DISCUSS!
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If faced with a situation where I could not flee without knowing I'd most likely be shot or fight, my plan is to strip naked.
I figure it will either scare them stupid or at least my clothes won't get ruined when they gun me down.
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I wish I had that much weed
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MY plan is to run.
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Having had shots pass by me 7 times in my life, I can only say that one should Keep Calm and Duck.
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Run in zig zags and keep jumping and rolling behind cover until you can get your hands on the gunman. Break his/her fingers after wrestling the gun away from them, get your hands around his/her neck and dig your thumbs into their throat till you feel a crunch. Take ammuntition out of the gun, insert the barrel into their dead asshole.
You may be killed attempting it, but at least you'll have gone down fighting. This is a good death. There is no shame in this.
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Run in zig zags and keep jumping and rolling behind cover until you can get your hands on the gunman. Break his/her fingers after wrestling the gun away from them, get your hands around his/her neck and dig your thumbs into their throat till you feel a crunch. Take ammuntition out of the gun, insert the barrel into their dead asshole.
You may be killed attempting it, but at least you'll have gone down fighting. This is a good death. There is no shame in this.
One dude actually tried this with Breivik. Only pity was that Breivik was highly trained at the time, and very strong. The guy trying to wrestle him was not. He was pushed down, and shot in the face.
It is - to me - one of the most disturbing deaths of Utøya - if one can be singled out - for that poor bastard to have his unique bravery rewarded only with death. Jeez...
And on top of that, nobody remembers him. It was only an anecdote :(
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Run in zig zags and keep jumping and rolling behind cover until you can get your hands on the gunman. Break his/her fingers after wrestling the gun away from them, get your hands around his/her neck and dig your thumbs into their throat till you feel a crunch. Take ammuntition out of the gun, insert the barrel into their dead asshole.
You may be killed attempting it, but at least you'll have gone down fighting. This is a good death. There is no shame in this.
One dude actually tried this with Breivik. Only pity was that Breivik was highly trained at the time, and very strong. The guy trying to wrestle him was not. He was pushed down, and shot in the face.
It is - to me - one of the most disturbing deaths of Utøya - if one can be singled out - for that poor bastard to have his unique bravery rewarded only with death. Jeez...
And on top of that, nobody remembers him. It was only an anecdote :(
Again, man. HE went down fighting instead of being shot while cowering in fear. If I was going to die, i'd definetely pick that route.
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Having had shots pass by me 7 times in my life, I can only say that one should Keep Calm and Duck.
What kind of neighborhood do you live in? :zombiefuck:
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I like the thought of robot dancing.... as good a way as any to die i spose.
An alternative would be to burst into song with "if you're happy and you know it clap your hands"
I used to think of things to do if i was followed out of a club or something. (I don't anymore because i don't go :( ) but i thought about crossing over the street a few times, just to make sure you were being followed and then suddenly turning around and hugging them saying "OMG thank god it's you...you had me worried for a minute, how is your mum?" It would be a shock to him and and give you time to kick him in his balls and run. Or maybe turning round and saying "and here he is, our lucky winner for tonight ladies and gentlemen" whilst fiddling with your ear as if you are wearing an earpiece and pointing upwards mouthing 'camera' at him.
Yeah the mind boggles but the reality is i would probably poop myself :dunno:
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Run in zig zags and keep jumping and rolling behind cover until you can get your hands on the gunman. Break his/her fingers after wrestling the gun away from them, get your hands around his/her neck and dig your thumbs into their throat till you feel a crunch. Take ammuntition out of the gun, insert the barrel into their dead asshole.
You may be killed attempting it, but at least you'll have gone down fighting. This is a good death. There is no shame in this.
You can't die with dignity, you know.
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Sure you can. The meaning can have dignity even if the process is a mess.
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I do favor giving life the finger, on my way out
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Run in zig zags and keep jumping and rolling behind cover until you can get your hands on the gunman. Break his/her fingers after wrestling the gun away from them, get your hands around his/her neck and dig your thumbs into their throat till you feel a crunch. Take ammuntition out of the gun, insert the barrel into their dead asshole.
You may be killed attempting it, but at least you'll have gone down fighting. This is a good death. There is no shame in this.
Strip naked, get an erection and rub shit all over yourself for a psychological edge while wrestling. Bum him for bonus points.
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Run in zig zags and keep jumping and rolling behind cover until you can get your hands on the gunman. Break his/her fingers after wrestling the gun away from them, get your hands around his/her neck and dig your thumbs into their throat till you feel a crunch. Take ammuntition out of the gun, insert the barrel into their dead asshole.
You may be killed attempting it, but at least you'll have gone down fighting. This is a good death. There is no shame in this.
Strip naked, get an erection and rub shit all over yourself for a psychological edge while wrestling. Bum him for bonus points.
Someone tried to throw rocks at him. Now I'm thinking, they should have thrown poop at him. At least it would give everyone else ample oportunity to flee, while he focuses all his efforts on you :D
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Run in zig zags and keep jumping and rolling behind cover until you can get your hands on the gunman. Break his/her fingers after wrestling the gun away from them, get your hands around his/her neck and dig your thumbs into their throat till you feel a crunch. Take ammuntition out of the gun, insert the barrel into their dead asshole.
You may be killed attempting it, but at least you'll have gone down fighting. This is a good death. There is no shame in this.
You can't die with dignity, you know.
We dissagree, O-man. I know I can. While the guy would be desperately trying to pick me off to prevent me from breaking his neck, many people would escape. Thus i'd be a hero even if he managed to shoot me. This is a very good death.
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Run in zig zags and keep jumping and rolling behind cover until you can get your hands on the gunman. Break his/her fingers after wrestling the gun away from them, get your hands around his/her neck and dig your thumbs into their throat till you feel a crunch. Take ammuntition out of the gun, insert the barrel into their dead asshole.
You may be killed attempting it, but at least you'll have gone down fighting. This is a good death. There is no shame in this.
Strip naked, get an erection and rub shit all over yourself for a psychological edge while wrestling. Bum him for bonus points.
Fucking brilliant. More effective if I kept whispering to him that there was no way out of this, and that he was about to be raped, and that I would damage his intestines with my penis. :green:
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Sure you can. The meaning can have dignity even if the process is a mess.
I beg to differ. There's no meaning with death. It's just the end.
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Sure you can. The meaning can have dignity even if the process is a mess.
I beg to differ. There's no meaning with death. It's just the end.
But to take out the bad guy on one's way out ... :headbang2:
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Run in zig zags and keep jumping and rolling behind cover until you can get your hands on the gunman. Break his/her fingers after wrestling the gun away from them, get your hands around his/her neck and dig your thumbs into their throat till you feel a crunch. Take ammuntition out of the gun, insert the barrel into their dead asshole.
You may be killed attempting it, but at least you'll have gone down fighting. This is a good death. There is no shame in this.
You can't die with dignity, you know.
We dissagree, O-man. I know I can. While the guy would be desperately trying to pick me off to prevent me from breaking his neck, many people would escape. Thus i'd be a hero even if he managed to shoot me. This is a very good death.
You can live with dignity but you can't die with it. We'll just have to disagree.
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Run in zig zags and keep jumping and rolling behind cover until you can get your hands on the gunman. Break his/her fingers after wrestling the gun away from them, get your hands around his/her neck and dig your thumbs into their throat till you feel a crunch. Take ammuntition out of the gun, insert the barrel into their dead asshole.
You may be killed attempting it, but at least you'll have gone down fighting. This is a good death. There is no shame in this.
Strip naked, get an erection and rub shit all over yourself for a psychological edge while wrestling. Bum him for bonus points.
Fucking brilliant. More effective if I kept whispering to him that there was no way out of this, and that he was about to be raped, and that I would damage his intestines with my penis. :green:
That would be so very dignified. :zoinks:
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Run in zig zags and keep jumping and rolling behind cover until you can get your hands on the gunman. Break his/her fingers after wrestling the gun away from them, get your hands around his/her neck and dig your thumbs into their throat till you feel a crunch. Take ammuntition out of the gun, insert the barrel into their dead asshole.
You may be killed attempting it, but at least you'll have gone down fighting. This is a good death. There is no shame in this.
Serpentine!
The In-Laws (1979): Getting off the plane in Tijuara (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A2_w-QCWpS0#)
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It's just the end.
Of a story. Which has meaning. :P
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It's just the end.
Of a story. Which has meaning. :P
Not for you tho.
You'll be gone.
For all you're concerned, everything else is gone too. That's the shit about death. There's no sitting on clouds, watching down on your loved ones.
They are gone.
The world is gone.
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It's just the end.
Of a story. Which has meaning. :P
Never believed meaning, but purpose, yes. Plus it's only then end for certain things.
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I'm not religious, but lately I've been wishing death might mean
going back to one's ancestors. I'd like to meet some more of mine. :apondering:
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Sure you can. The meaning can have dignity even if the process is a mess.
I beg to differ. There's no meaning with death. It's just the end.
But to take out the bad guy on one's way out ... :headbang2:
:agreed: if you can't send them ahead, than take them with you.
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Sure you can. The meaning can have dignity even if the process is a mess.
I beg to differ. There's no meaning with death. It's just the end.
With age comes experience and wisdom regarding these things. The kids won't understand until life teaches them otherwise.
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Sure you can. The meaning can have dignity even if the process is a mess.
I beg to differ. There's no meaning with death. It's just the end.
With age comes experience and wisdom regarding these things. The kids won't understand until life teaches them otherwise.
The age-argument isn't entirely valid.
Look around
I am sometimes baffled at what senior citizens have managed to miss out on, concerning subjects of common sense. How can someone old be as stupid as many of them are?
How have they managed to survive a whole life, without understanding the world better than what they do?
It's very demoralizing :I
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Sure you can. The meaning can have dignity even if the process is a mess.
I beg to differ. There's no meaning with death. It's just the end.
With age comes experience and wisdom regarding these things. The kids won't understand until life teaches them otherwise.
You're talking to somebody who has been preparing for her partner's death since his terminal diagnosis. Shove it so far up your ass you choke on it.
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Sure you can. The meaning can have dignity even if the process is a mess.
I beg to differ. There's no meaning with death. It's just the end.
With age comes experience and wisdom regarding these things. The kids won't understand until life teaches them otherwise.
You're talking to somebody who has been preparing for her partner's death since his terminal diagnosis. Shove it so far up your ass you choke on it.
I was talking to Odeon, who doesn't generally refer to himself as "her".
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Sure you can. The meaning can have dignity even if the process is a mess.
I beg to differ. There's no meaning with death. It's just the end.
With age comes experience and wisdom regarding these things. The kids won't understand until life teaches them otherwise.
You're talking to somebody who has been preparing for her partner's death since his terminal diagnosis. Shove it so far up your ass you choke on it.
His age-angle was invalid, but you must accept that people will still be nihilistic about these kinds of things, in a world where many try to find meaning because it is important to them.
A friend of mine just lost his mother, and as strongly atheistic as he usually is, I found myself casually discussing ghosts with him, and for a moment I forgot he just lost his mother, and I kept mocking his sudden acceptance for the possibility of ghosts. He took it with stride, and let me laugh, cus he knows where I come from. Only later that night did I suddenly remember that he was probably imagining the ghost of his mother, while insisting to me that a ghost would not frighten him.
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I was talking to Odeon, who doesn't generally refer to himself as "her".
Uh huh, looked like you were talking to Odeon about the other people in the thread, one of whom was in the quote.
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His age-angle was invalid, but you must accept that people will still be nihilistic about these kinds of things, in a world where many try to find meaning because it is important to them.
A friend of mine just lost his mother, and as strongly atheistic as he usually is, I found myself casually discussing ghosts with him, and for a moment I forgot he just lost his mother, and I kept mocking his sudden acceptance for the possibility of ghosts. He took it with stride, and let me laugh, cus he knows where I come from. Only later that night did I suddenly remember that he was probably imagining the ghost of his mother, while insisting to me that a ghost would not frighten him.
Sure. Yeah I know a lot of people are nihilistic. Actually one of the arguments I've heard is that it's comforting if death is a random and meaningless thing, because what's the alternative? Something has decided that you're such a horrible person that you deserve to be painfully destroyed?
I think I might share your friend's perspective on ghosts. Horror films about the supernatural are mostly boring. Even if you have a vengeful spirit targeting you... so what? Maybe it's like Sixth Sense and they just want someone to know the truth about what happened.
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His age-angle was invalid, but you must accept that people will still be nihilistic about these kinds of things, in a world where many try to find meaning because it is important to them.
A friend of mine just lost his mother, and as strongly atheistic as he usually is, I found myself casually discussing ghosts with him, and for a moment I forgot he just lost his mother, and I kept mocking his sudden acceptance for the possibility of ghosts. He took it with stride, and let me laugh, cus he knows where I come from. Only later that night did I suddenly remember that he was probably imagining the ghost of his mother, while insisting to me that a ghost would not frighten him.
Sure. Yeah I know a lot of people are nihilistic. Actually one of the arguments I've heard is that it's comforting if death is a random and meaningless thing, because what's the alternative? Something has decided that you're such a horrible person that you deserve to be painfully destroyed?
I think I might share your friend's perspective on ghosts. Horror films about the supernatural are mostly boring. Even if you have a vengeful spirit targeting you... so what? Maybe it's like Sixth Sense and they just want someone to know the truth about what happened.
It is often difficult and unpredictable to relate to people suffering a loss. Another example was before I was born, my uncle Miguel died in a traffic accident.
Friends and relatives of my grandmother tried to comfort her, by saying "He's in a better place now." This only enfuriated her, because "a better place" would be alive, on earth, with her. She isn't religious.
But how could they know? They only meant to be consoling.
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I was talking to Odeon, who doesn't generally refer to himself as "her".
Uh huh, looked like you were talking to Odeon about the other people in the thread, one of whom was in the quote.
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Having had shots pass by me 7 times in my life, I can only say that one should Keep Calm and Duck.
What kind of neighborhood do you live in? :zombiefuck:
There are always people envious to the throne.
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I don't think there is dignity in death. But, dying is the last bit of living one does. Somehow I find comfort in knowing someone died fitting the way he or she lived. The way people die does make a difference, both for the dying, and for the ones left behind. It doesn't change the gap left behind, and the missing. But it can make a change in how you can deal with that gap.
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It is true that once you're dead you're dead. Your actions in life affect others however. (You are part of an enormous picture, the world does not revolve around you. It never will.) So say if you die saving the lives of others, as opposed to dying from inhaling cocaine laced with gasoline, one is going to be inspiring to others, and one if going to be a fucking joke. In short, a heroic death is a "good" death. We are all GOING TO DIE someday. Wouldn't you like to think your life and death meant something?
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Wouldn't you like to think your life and death meant something?
Wouldn't I like to think after I am dead that my life meant something? Hmmm. There seems to be a minor logical error in that thinking but I just can't put my finger on it. :chin:
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I was talking to Odeon, who doesn't generally refer to himself as "her".
Uh huh, looked like you were talking to Odeon about the other people in the thread, one of whom was in the quote.
You are such a hypocrite. Kicking someone when they are down. After I've seen you get on Pentagram about it.
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Hey, I'd rather be butthurt than be an asshole. :viking:
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It is true that once you're dead you're dead. Your actions in life affect others however. (You are part of an enormous picture, the world does not revolve around you. It never will.) So say if you die saving the lives of others, as opposed to dying from inhaling cocaine laced with gasoline, one is going to be inspiring to others, and one if going to be a fucking joke. In short, a heroic death is a "good" death. We are all GOING TO DIE someday. Wouldn't you like to think your life and death meant something?
In a few years, the humans you hoped to influence will be gone, too, and whatever you so-called good death was, it won't be remembered. When everyone dies, the death of one is bound to be confused with the death of another.
As you say, *everyone* dies. But it doesn't stop there. Give it more time and the planet will be gone, too. And the sun. Ultimately everything is pointless.
I'd much rather try to find meaning in my life while I still live it.
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Hey, I'd rather be butthurt than be an asshole. :viking:
It's entirely possible to be both. :viking:
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It's entirely possible to be both. :viking:
:LOL: The things we aspire to.
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Wouldn't you like to think your life and death meant something?
Wouldn't I like to think after I am dead that my life meant something? Hmmm. There seems to be a minor logical error in that thinking but I just can't put my finger on it. :chin:
Oh is that so? Maybe i'm too dumb to see this, man. How about you break it down for me? :zoinks:
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It is true that once you're dead you're dead. Your actions in life affect others however. (You are part of an enormous picture, the world does not revolve around you. It never will.) So say if you die saving the lives of others, as opposed to dying from inhaling cocaine laced with gasoline, one is going to be inspiring to others, and one if going to be a fucking joke. In short, a heroic death is a "good" death. We are all GOING TO DIE someday. Wouldn't you like to think your life and death meant something?
In a few years, the humans you hoped to influence will be gone, too, and whatever you so-called good death was, it won't be remembered. When everyone dies, the death of one is bound to be confused with the death of another.
As you say, *everyone* dies. But it doesn't stop there. Give it more time and the planet will be gone, too. And the sun. Ultimately everything is pointless.
I'd much rather try to find meaning in my life while I still live it.
That's a very good point, Odeon. But I care about the relatively short terms effects my actions will have on the big picture. I care about what happens after i'm gone, even if in the end everything will be gone.
I care about it, man. :)
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It's entirely possible to be both. :viking:
:LOL: The things we aspire to.
I'd think that assholes are more easily butthurt, too. :zoinks:
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Maybe i'm too dumb to see this
:laugh:
:agreed:
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It is true that once you're dead you're dead. Your actions in life affect others however. (You are part of an enormous picture, the world does not revolve around you. It never will.) So say if you die saving the lives of others, as opposed to dying from inhaling cocaine laced with gasoline, one is going to be inspiring to others, and one if going to be a fucking joke. In short, a heroic death is a "good" death. We are all GOING TO DIE someday. Wouldn't you like to think your life and death meant something?
In a few years, the humans you hoped to influence will be gone, too, and whatever you so-called good death was, it won't be remembered. When everyone dies, the death of one is bound to be confused with the death of another.
As you say, *everyone* dies. But it doesn't stop there. Give it more time and the planet will be gone, too. And the sun. Ultimately everything is pointless.
I'd much rather try to find meaning in my life while I still live it.
That's a very good point, Odeon. But I care about the relatively short terms effects my actions will have on the big picture. I care about what happens after i'm gone, even if in the end everything will be gone.
I care about it, man. :)
I know you do. Not everyone is a certified cynic like I am.
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I'd think that assholes are more easily butthurt, too. :zoinks:
Uh oh, for one brief second there it sounded like you were calling yourself a decent sort. :lol1:
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I'd think that assholes are more easily butthurt, too. :zoinks:
Uh oh, for one brief second there it sounded like you were calling yourself a decent sort. :lol1:
:laugh:
No such thing.
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It is true that once you're dead you're dead. Your actions in life affect others however. (You are part of an enormous picture, the world does not revolve around you. It never will.) So say if you die saving the lives of others, as opposed to dying from inhaling cocaine laced with gasoline, one is going to be inspiring to others, and one if going to be a fucking joke. In short, a heroic death is a "good" death. We are all GOING TO DIE someday. Wouldn't you like to think your life and death meant something?
In a few years, the humans you hoped to influence will be gone, too, and whatever you so-called good death was, it won't be remembered. When everyone dies, the death of one is bound to be confused with the death of another.
As you say, *everyone* dies. But it doesn't stop there. Give it more time and the planet will be gone, too. And the sun. Ultimately everything is pointless.
I'd much rather try to find meaning in my life while I still live it.
That's a very good point, Odeon. But I care about the relatively short terms effects my actions will have on the big picture. I care about what happens after i'm gone, even if in the end everything will be gone.
I care about it, man. :)
I know you do. Not everyone is a certified cynic like I am.
Lol we all love you man. Cynics are cool.
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Not everyone is a certified cynic like I am.
Certified for a brief time, but it's taxing to keep up with the certification renewal.
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My cynicism has let up a lot in the past years.
Lately I am afraid of scary movies, and I find some babies to be cute.
In fact, watching a WW2 docu lately, what gripped me the most was footage of French soldiers trying to force gas masks on a protesting little girl :( W her lil cry face and lil curls :( She has no idea they're just trying to help :(
I also cry to shows like "secret millionaire" :(
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I was talking to Odeon, who doesn't generally refer to himself as "her".
Uh huh, looked like you were talking to Odeon about the other people in the thread, one of whom was in the quote.
Jeeeeeez, dude. Would you have responded/be responding the same way in real life?
Not everyone is a certified cynic like I am.
Certified for a brief time, but it's taxing to keep up with the certification renewal.
Real cynics don't bother; we see the renewal process for the useless cash cow it is.
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It is true that once you're dead you're dead. Your actions in life affect others however. (You are part of an enormous picture, the world does not revolve around you. It never will.) So say if you die saving the lives of others, as opposed to dying from inhaling cocaine laced with gasoline, one is going to be inspiring to others, and one if going to be a fucking joke. In short, a heroic death is a "good" death. We are all GOING TO DIE someday. Wouldn't you like to think your life and death meant something?
In a few years, the humans you hoped to influence will be gone, too, and whatever you so-called good death was, it won't be remembered. When everyone dies, the death of one is bound to be confused with the death of another.
As you say, *everyone* dies. But it doesn't stop there. Give it more time and the planet will be gone, too. And the sun. Ultimately everything is pointless.
I'd much rather try to find meaning in my life while I still live it.
That's a very good point, Odeon. But I care about the relatively short terms effects my actions will have on the big picture. I care about what happens after i'm gone, even if in the end everything will be gone.
I care about it, man. :)
I know you do. Not everyone is a certified cynic like I am.
Lol we all love you man. Cynics are cool.
Sometimes I wish I had a brighter outlook on life, but then I realise it's not my fault that life is what it is.
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Ah, the cynic outlook, I know it well.
But, there is still some passion left, or newly emerged, on a smaller scale. No world saving ideas anymore, but, my own surroundings, there my actions do count. Sometimes I do miss the huge passions from way back. But, I'm glad to have some passion left.
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It is true that once you're dead you're dead. Your actions in life affect others however. (You are part of an enormous picture, the world does not revolve around you. It never will.) So say if you die saving the lives of others, as opposed to dying from inhaling cocaine laced with gasoline, one is going to be inspiring to others, and one if going to be a fucking joke. In short, a heroic death is a "good" death. We are all GOING TO DIE someday. Wouldn't you like to think your life and death meant something?
In a few years, the humans you hoped to influence will be gone, too, and whatever you so-called good death was, it won't be remembered. When everyone dies, the death of one is bound to be confused with the death of another.
As you say, *everyone* dies. But it doesn't stop there. Give it more time and the planet will be gone, too. And the sun. Ultimately everything is pointless.
I'd much rather try to find meaning in my life while I still live it.
That's a very good point, Odeon. But I care about the relatively short terms effects my actions will have on the big picture. I care about what happens after i'm gone, even if in the end everything will be gone.
I care about it, man. :)
I know you do. Not everyone is a certified cynic like I am.
Lol we all love you man. Cynics are cool.
Sometimes I wish I had a brighter outlook on life, but then I realise it's not my fault that life is what it is.
To be honest I feel that way a lot too, but I still have hope.
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I have hopes. Several of them.
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I'm a simple guy. I just hope for a TRUE end to war, and a satisfying career for myself. Thats it.
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A true end to war will come sooner or later, but we'll probably have to get rid of the human race first.
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That I can agree with. Certain human beings are hellbent on controlling, capitalizing on, and generally preying on the weakness of other humans. As long as these assholes exist, so will war.
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:dunno: it's just the way we are.
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It is now, but i'm hoping that we eventually develop past that. Probably won't happen in my lifetime, but I have to have some kind of motivation, you know? :apondering:
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Humans are incredibly adaptable, and humans _can_ accept "eternal peace" if "thrust upon them", the problem is humans follow authority - and authority will have to set the pace.
Authority must be benevolent, and serve all, and that is what can work "only in theory" and "never in practice", at least not while the world appears as it does now. And it probably will continue to appear like this for a long, long time to come.
In other words - in practice - humans will likely never stop warring. And we are capable of existing here - unchanged - for hundreds of thousands - even millions of years.
So demoralizing :D
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Sometimes I wish I had a brighter outlook on life, but then I realise it's not my fault that life is what it is.
Yes it is. Admins have godlike powers.
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A true end to war will come sooner or later, but we'll probably have to get rid of the human race first.
As well ants, lions, hyenas and Chimpanzees.
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Sometimes I wish I had a brighter outlook on life, but then I realise it's not my fault that life is what it is.
Yes it is. Admins have godlike powers.
I forgot. :-[
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Humans are incredibly adaptable, and humans _can_ accept "eternal peace" if "thrust upon them", the problem is humans follow authority - and authority will have to set the pace.
Authority must be benevolent, and serve all, and that is what can work "only in theory" and "never in practice", at least not while the world appears as it does now. And it probably will continue to appear like this for a long, long time to come.
In other words - in practice - humans will likely never stop warring. And we are capable of existing here - unchanged - for hundreds of thousands - even millions of years.
So demoralizing :D
Exactly my point man. Why does authority have to ALWAYS be so focused on self validation and not just "the job"? Everyone is guilty of this if even the slightest position of leadership is even briefly given to them.
Either its "OH SHIT EVERYBODY CHECK OUT WHAT A GOOD JOB I'M DOIN HEHE ITS ALL ABOUT ME FUCK YES"
or its "I will use pretty speech and behavior thats easily mistaken as legit when people aren't paying attention(cause what normal american citizen with a job and kids is a politician with a lifetime of experience AMIRITELOL?) to boost my own station in life to the maximum with my position. I came to get money and fuck bitches to the point where I could never spend all the money, and most of the bitches will lay and wait for their turn forever"
Why is it like this? Why can't people just be cool to each other? Why be greedy to the point that you stockpile resources and the only thing that results from it is the starvation of thousands, or hundreds of thousands of people? Why fight a war and cause the deaths of thousands of people for a resource that hit peak production fourty years ago?
I DON'T GET IT MAN FUCK! :autism:
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Humans are incredibly adaptable, and humans _can_ accept "eternal peace" if "thrust upon them", the problem is humans follow authority - and authority will have to set the pace.
Authority must be benevolent, and serve all, and that is what can work "only in theory" and "never in practice", at least not while the world appears as it does now. And it probably will continue to appear like this for a long, long time to come.
In other words - in practice - humans will likely never stop warring. And we are capable of existing here - unchanged - for hundreds of thousands - even millions of years.
So demoralizing :D
Exactly my point man. Why does authority have to ALWAYS be so focused on self validation and not just "the job"? Everyone is guilty of this if even the slightest position of leadership is even briefly given to them.
Either its "OH SHIT EVERYBODY CHECK OUT WHAT A GOOD JOB I'M DOIN HEHE ITS ALL ABOUT ME FUCK YES"
or its "I will use pretty speech and behavior thats easily mistaken as legit when people aren't paying attention(cause what normal american citizen with a job and kids is a politician with a lifetime of experience AMIRITELOL?) to boost my own station in life to the maximum with my position. I came to get money and fuck bitches to the point where I could never spend all the money, and most of the bitches will lay and wait for their turn forever"
Why is it like this? Why can't people just be cool to each other? Why be greedy to the point that you stockpile resources and the only thing that results from it is the starvation of thousands, or hundreds of thousands of people? Why fight a war and cause the deaths of thousands of people for a resource that hit peak production fourty years ago?
I DON'T GET IT MAN FUCK! :autism:
A response. How did you find the time?
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:laugh:
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Humans are incredibly adaptable, and humans _can_ accept "eternal peace" if "thrust upon them", the problem is humans follow authority - and authority will have to set the pace.
Authority must be benevolent, and serve all, and that is what can work "only in theory" and "never in practice", at least not while the world appears as it does now. And it probably will continue to appear like this for a long, long time to come.
In other words - in practice - humans will likely never stop warring. And we are capable of existing here - unchanged - for hundreds of thousands - even millions of years.
So demoralizing :D
Exactly my point man. Why does authority have to ALWAYS be so focused on self validation and not just "the job"? Everyone is guilty of this if even the slightest position of leadership is even briefly given to them.
Either its "OH SHIT EVERYBODY CHECK OUT WHAT A GOOD JOB I'M DOIN HEHE ITS ALL ABOUT ME FUCK YES"
or its "I will use pretty speech and behavior thats easily mistaken as legit when people aren't paying attention(cause what normal american citizen with a job and kids is a politician with a lifetime of experience AMIRITELOL?) to boost my own station in life to the maximum with my position. I came to get money and fuck bitches to the point where I could never spend all the money, and most of the bitches will lay and wait for their turn forever"
Why is it like this? Why can't people just be cool to each other? Why be greedy to the point that you stockpile resources and the only thing that results from it is the starvation of thousands, or hundreds of thousands of people? Why fight a war and cause the deaths of thousands of people for a resource that hit peak production fourty years ago?
I DON'T GET IT MAN FUCK! :autism:
A response. How did you find the time?
It was higher on my priorities than responding to the future essays and deceitful posts you will make in our callout. I will get to you though. Eventually. And I won't give an inch, bro. Trust me. Be patient.
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Humans are incredibly adaptable, and humans _can_ accept "eternal peace" if "thrust upon them", the problem is humans follow authority - and authority will have to set the pace.
Authority must be benevolent, and serve all, and that is what can work "only in theory" and "never in practice", at least not while the world appears as it does now. And it probably will continue to appear like this for a long, long time to come.
In other words - in practice - humans will likely never stop warring. And we are capable of existing here - unchanged - for hundreds of thousands - even millions of years.
So demoralizing :D
Exactly my point man. Why does authority have to ALWAYS be so focused on self validation and not just "the job"? Everyone is guilty of this if even the slightest position of leadership is even briefly given to them.
Either its "OH SHIT EVERYBODY CHECK OUT WHAT A GOOD JOB I'M DOIN HEHE ITS ALL ABOUT ME FUCK YES"
or its "I will use pretty speech and behavior thats easily mistaken as legit when people aren't paying attention(cause what normal american citizen with a job and kids is a politician with a lifetime of experience AMIRITELOL?) to boost my own station in life to the maximum with my position. I came to get money and fuck bitches to the point where I could never spend all the money, and most of the bitches will lay and wait for their turn forever"
Why is it like this? Why can't people just be cool to each other? Why be greedy to the point that you stockpile resources and the only thing that results from it is the starvation of thousands, or hundreds of thousands of people? Why fight a war and cause the deaths of thousands of people for a resource that hit peak production fourty years ago?
I DON'T GET IT MAN FUCK! :autism:
A response. How did you find the time?
It was higher on my priorities than responding to the future essays and deceitful posts you will make in our callout. I will get to you though. Eventually. And I won't give an inch, bro. Trust me. Be patient.
You won't give an inch. Not one. Cuz being completely unable to respond in a timely manner is standing your ground LIKE A BOSS :hahaha:
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This is sort of entertaining but there will need to be more drama or people will lose interest. :P
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I find it fascinating that, on the surface of it, Rage seems to have more demands on his time than One L despite One L (iirc) having a family and going to law school.
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I find it fascinating that, on the surface of it, Rage seems to have more demands on his time than One L despite One L (iirc) having a family and going to law school.
Yup, that's it. Not ducking at all. Really, really busy. Only spent 90 minutes on here yesterday and couldn't draft a response in that amount of time :)
Perhaps I just think quicker than he does.
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I find it fascinating that, on the surface of it, Rage seems to have more demands on his time than One L despite One L (iirc) having a family and going to law school.
Yup, that's it. Not ducking at all. Really, really busy. Only spent 90 minutes on here yesterday and couldn't draft a response in that amount of time :)
Perhaps I just think quicker than he does.
You do think quicker than I do, but that does not make any of the points I've made less valid. It just means you're good as twisting things around with unrelated nonsense and sounding legit when you're just talking out of your ass. For example. You say you work fifty hours a week or something and spend fourty hours at school. Okay man. Do you have a tardis? Have you duplicated the time machine from the old HG Wells novel? There are only a hundred and sixty eight hours in a week. The bare minimum sleeping time to be moderately healthy and sane is fifty six hours a week. Other demands such as cooking meals, personal hygiene, maintaining your abode, a little time to relax your mind by watching a couple of shows or something, and countless other things. A RIDICULOUS amount.
You're lying. There is not enough time.
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Humans are incredibly adaptable, and humans _can_ accept "eternal peace" if "thrust upon them", the problem is humans follow authority - and authority will have to set the pace.
Authority must be benevolent, and serve all, and that is what can work "only in theory" and "never in practice", at least not while the world appears as it does now. And it probably will continue to appear like this for a long, long time to come.
In other words - in practice - humans will likely never stop warring. And we are capable of existing here - unchanged - for hundreds of thousands - even millions of years.
So demoralizing :D
Exactly my point man. Why does authority have to ALWAYS be so focused on self validation and not just "the job"? Everyone is guilty of this if even the slightest position of leadership is even briefly given to them.
Either its "OH SHIT EVERYBODY CHECK OUT WHAT A GOOD JOB I'M DOIN HEHE ITS ALL ABOUT ME FUCK YES"
or its "I will use pretty speech and behavior thats easily mistaken as legit when people aren't paying attention(cause what normal american citizen with a job and kids is a politician with a lifetime of experience AMIRITELOL?) to boost my own station in life to the maximum with my position. I came to get money and fuck bitches to the point where I could never spend all the money, and most of the bitches will lay and wait for their turn forever"
Why is it like this? Why can't people just be cool to each other? Why be greedy to the point that you stockpile resources and the only thing that results from it is the starvation of thousands, or hundreds of thousands of people? Why fight a war and cause the deaths of thousands of people for a resource that hit peak production fourty years ago?
I DON'T GET IT MAN FUCK! :autism:
A response. How did you find the time?
It was higher on my priorities than responding to the future essays and deceitful posts you will make in our callout. I will get to you though. Eventually. And I won't give an inch, bro. Trust me. Be patient.
You won't give an inch. Not one. Cuz being completely unable to respond in a timely manner is standing your ground LIKE A BOSS :hahaha:
Yeah that's nicely put. Good politicking. Let me go ahead and translate that for people who don't understand bullshit.
You won't give an inch. Not one. Its really annoying me that I can't control your behavior, and that you are so focused on something constructive. I like stirring shit. A lot.
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I find it fascinating that, on the surface of it, Rage seems to have more demands on his time than One L despite One L (iirc) having a family and going to law school.
Yup, that's it. Not ducking at all. Really, really busy. Only spent 90 minutes on here yesterday and couldn't draft a response in that amount of time :)
Perhaps I just think quicker than he does.
You do think quicker than I do, but that does not make any of the points I've made less valid. It just means you're good as twisting things around with unrelated nonsense and sounding legit when you're just talking out of your ass. For example. You say you work fifty hours a week or something and spend fourty hours at school. Okay man. Do you have a tardis? Have you duplicated the time machine from the old HG Wells novel? There are only a hundred and sixty eight hours in a week. The bare minimum sleeping time to be moderately healthy and sane is fifty six hours a week. Other demands such as cooking meals, personal hygiene, maintaining your abode, a little time to relax your mind by watching a couple of shows or something, and countless other things. A RIDICULOUS amount.
You're lying. There is not enough time.
Indeed. I MUST be lying because I am doing something you could not yourself accomplish :zoinks:
I work from 8am - 4pm Mon - Fri. (40 hours)
I am at school from 5pm - 11pm Mon - Fri (30 hours)
I put in at least 8 hours at the library on both Saturday and Sunday (16 hours)
I sleep from 12am - 7am
49 hours a week, and I am doing just fine, but thanks for the worry. 7 hours a night is a luxury after raising 2 infants in the past 4 years. I am not sure where you get the idea that a human must have 8 hours of sleep a night to stay sane. In undergrad I worked the graveyard shift and survived 3 years at less than 5 hours a night.
The required work week for a newly hired attorney at a large firm is 100 hours a week. Law school is easy compared to that.
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I like stirring shit. A lot.
Yer finally getting it. :clap:
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I don't believe you. You can pull that for a while but after an extended period your health suffers greatly, and your grasp on reality deteriorates. Some literature even reports that you can start dreaming while being awake at times. Maybe you're implying you do this in bursts?
Besides, sleep isn't the only factor. There are literally THOUSANDS of demands on an individual's time, many which pop up out of the blue. You cannot possibly meet these expectations while also having ninety hours rigidly spoken for already. Something just isn't gelling here.
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I don't believe you.
You can't imagine how little I care :LOL:
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I don't believe you.
You can't imagine how little I care :LOL:
Ohhh nice move. No decent argument? My point was so to the POINT that you couldn't twist it around?
Claim you don't care. Lol. At least i'm starting to understand your odd behavior. You really are just a dick.
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I don't believe you.
You can't imagine how little I care :LOL:
Ohhh nice move. No decent argument? My point was so to the POINT that you couldn't twist it around?
Claim you don't care. Lol. At least i'm starting to understand your odd behavior. You really are just a dick.
You want me to argue what? I gave you my schedule, you don't believe it, I don't care. What do you think I am going to do? Obtain affidavits? Video evidence? It is also irrelevant to the main issue so ... eh.
I'm sure the site is sick to death of this going on across 4 different threads. There is a dedicated thread for this now, let's stay there.
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And i'm pretty sure they're stoked about it. I you want to control other people's behavior that badly, there is dedicated site for that. Its called wrong planet. :laugh:
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I don't believe you. You can pull that for a while but after an extended period your health suffers greatly, and your grasp on reality deteriorates. Some literature even reports that you can start dreaming while being awake at times. Maybe you're implying you do this in bursts?
Besides, sleep isn't the only factor. There are literally THOUSANDS of demands on an individual's time, many which pop up out of the blue. You cannot possibly meet these expectations while also having ninety hours rigidly spoken for already. Something just isn't gelling here.
Thought he was married? The wife might be taking care of some of the extra demands.
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I find it fascinating that, on the surface of it, Rage seems to have more demands on his time than One L despite One L (iirc) having a family and going to law school.
He should use an office application. :orly:
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The required work week for a newly hired attorney at a large firm is 100 hours a week. Law school is easy compared to that.
Really? :o
That's a lot.
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I don't believe you. You can pull that for a while but after an extended period your health suffers greatly, and your grasp on reality deteriorates. Some literature even reports that you can start dreaming while being awake at times. Maybe you're implying you do this in bursts?
Besides, sleep isn't the only factor. There are literally THOUSANDS of demands on an individual's time, many which pop up out of the blue. You cannot possibly meet these expectations while also having ninety hours rigidly spoken for already. Something just isn't gelling here.
Thought he was married? The wife might be taking care of some of the extra demands.
That may give him a once up, but you can't expect her to do all of it. Evn just married couple has a double workload for that stuff. But they have a young kid. Oooooh buddy. Kids are messy.
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I don't believe you. You can pull that for a while but after an extended period your health suffers greatly, and your grasp on reality deteriorates. Some literature even reports that you can start dreaming while being awake at times. Maybe you're implying you do this in bursts?
Besides, sleep isn't the only factor. There are literally THOUSANDS of demands on an individual's time, many which pop up out of the blue. You cannot possibly meet these expectations while also having ninety hours rigidly spoken for already. Something just isn't gelling here.
Thought he was married? The wife might be taking care of some of the extra demands.
That may give him a once up, but you can't expect her to do all of it. Evn just married couple has a double workload for that stuff. But they have a young kid. Oooooh buddy. Kids are messy.
Two :M
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YEah see? TWO KIDS?
I mean cmon man you can't tell me your wife is expected to keep up with all domestic tasks herself.
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YEah see? TWO KIDS?
I mean cmon man you can't tell me your wife is expected to keep up with all domestic tasks herself.
Has your debate with me really devolved to questioning what I do during every waking moment of my life and wondering how much work my wife has to do to keep up? Or have you simply found yourself running dry on relevant points and are flinging whatever you can in the hopes of ..... I can't even tell what your goal is at this point. Raising two kids with a husband who works and goes to school is impossible because (something) and therefore I am not a busy person and so you win the argument that is taking place on another thread?
I'm just trying to understand your point because it is starting to sound like desperation.
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Another one of those "appearing to be legit" posts.
I haven't changed anything I've argued at this thread. And still drive at the same point. You are bullshittin about your time management.
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Another one of those "appearing to be legit" posts.
I haven't changed anything I've argued at this thread. And still drive at the same point. You are bullshittin about your time management.
Prove it
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I already provided as much proof as is possible by considering all the variables. Theres not enough time in the day.
The only way what you say could work is if you don't clean yourself regularly, don't sleep well, have no friends, no hobbies outside of this website, don't plan meals/do any grocery shopping or cooking/ let your yard and house look like shit, EXCETERA
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I already provided as much proof as is possible by considering all the variables. Theres not enough time in the day.
The only way what you say could work is if you don't clean yourself regularly, don't sleep well, have no friends, no hobbies outside of this website, don't plan meals/do any grocery shopping or cooking/ let your yard and house look like shit, EXCETERA
Etcetera :M
Productivity is relative, and might explain your struggles ;)
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I'm not getting what you're laying down here.
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I don't believe you. You can pull that for a while but after an extended period your health suffers greatly, and your grasp on reality deteriorates. Some literature even reports that you can start dreaming while being awake at times. Maybe you're implying you do this in bursts?
Besides, sleep isn't the only factor. There are literally THOUSANDS of demands on an individual's time, many which pop up out of the blue. You cannot possibly meet these expectations while also having ninety hours rigidly spoken for already. Something just isn't gelling here.
Thought he was married? The wife might be taking care of some of the extra demands.
That may give him a once up, but you can't expect her to do all of it. Evn just married couple has a double workload for that stuff. But they have a young kid. Oooooh buddy. Kids are messy.
Seems to me he is doing fine. Both him and his family.
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I don't believe you. You can pull that for a while but after an extended period your health suffers greatly, and your grasp on reality deteriorates. Some literature even reports that you can start dreaming while being awake at times. Maybe you're implying you do this in bursts?
Besides, sleep isn't the only factor. There are literally THOUSANDS of demands on an individual's time, many which pop up out of the blue. You cannot possibly meet these expectations while also having ninety hours rigidly spoken for already. Something just isn't gelling here.
Thought he was married? The wife might be taking care of some of the extra demands.
That may give him a once up, but you can't expect her to do all of it. Evn just married couple has a double workload for that stuff. But they have a young kid. Oooooh buddy. Kids are messy.
Seems to me he is doing fine. Both him and his family.
Indeed. It might come as a surprise to him that there are single mothers with two kids out there that are doing okay. Sometimes the mother even has to work a job on top of all that. Women are much more capable than he gives them credit for. They aren't just chattel or an inferior species. They are wonderful :viking:
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I don't believe you. You can pull that for a while but after an extended period your health suffers greatly, and your grasp on reality deteriorates. Some literature even reports that you can start dreaming while being awake at times. Maybe you're implying you do this in bursts?
Besides, sleep isn't the only factor. There are literally THOUSANDS of demands on an individual's time, many which pop up out of the blue. You cannot possibly meet these expectations while also having ninety hours rigidly spoken for already. Something just isn't gelling here.
Thought he was married? The wife might be taking care of some of the extra demands.
That may give him a once up, but you can't expect her to do all of it. Evn just married couple has a double workload for that stuff. But they have a young kid. Oooooh buddy. Kids are messy.
Seems to me he is doing fine. Both him and his family.
Indeed. It might come as a surprise to him that there are single mothers with two kids out there that are doing okay. Sometimes the mother even has to work a job on top of all that. Women are much more capable than he gives them credit for. They aren't just chattel or an inferior species. They are wonderful :viking:
Can't let you put words in my mouth again. I implied she was of equal value, and not your slave.
Stop doing that. Say what you mean and take others at their word like a fucking adult.
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That may give him a once up, but you can't expect her to do all of it. Evn just married couple has a double workload for that stuff. But they have a young kid. Oooooh buddy. Kids are messy.
While I admit that I might not have interpreted this correctly as it contains a number of words I am either unfamiliar with, or take advantage of less common spelling, I assumed that "You can't expect her to do all of it. Even just married couples has a double workload" implied that one shouldn't expect a woman to be able to raise two kids without someone taking half the workload. As such, reminding you that single mothers do it all the time is highly relevant.
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The only way what you say could work is if you don't clean yourself regularly, don't sleep well, have no friends, no hobbies outside of this website, don't plan meals/do any grocery shopping or cooking/ let your yard and house look like shit, EXCETERA
Bolded are the parts that are typical for grad school. (And, around exams times, well... let's just say I definitely remember guys talking about wearing swim trunks for underwear because they had run out of clean underwear and hadn't had time to do laundry yet.)
Also, come to think of it, underlined are the parts that sound like being the parent(s) of a small child or two. :laugh:
Funny thing is I wasn't seeking to help either Rage or One L, but I feel like Rage is making himself look childish. I wasn't saying anything beyond a hypothesis that perhaps One L's wife helps keep the things going he does not have time to do. I have no idea what their arrangement is.
I do know there are indeed people (wives OR husbands- or even just significant others) who view having to step up their own workload in order to help their partner finish a life goal (like school) as a worthy investment in their future together and/or as something they feel they ought to do to support the person they love and have chosen to spend their life with. Not saying that's always how it pans out, but it certainly wouldn't be a particularly "out-there" arrangement for most of the housework and childcare to fall to the partner who *isn't* working full time while also going to law school- again, does not have to be about gender. Hell of a lot of work for everyone involved, especially with young kids, but I'd assume that their assumption is very likely that it will ultimately be worth it.
And yes, single mothers do it alone. And, in less-common cases, single fathers do it. It's very difficult to do alone- especially TOTALLY alone (which is even less common), but can be done. So long as there's enough money, anyway.
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The required work week for a newly hired attorney at a large firm is 100 hours a week. Law school is easy compared to that.
For whatever it's worth, I checked up on this with a friend of a friend who recently graduated law school. They "only" work 50-60 hour weeks.
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The only way what you say could work is if you don't clean yourself regularly, don't sleep well, have no friends, no hobbies outside of this website, don't plan meals/do any grocery shopping or cooking/ let your yard and house look like shit, EXCETERA
Bolded are the parts that are typical for grad school. (And, around exams times, well... let's just say I definitely remember guys talking about wearing swim trunks for underwear because they had run out of clean underwear and hadn't had time to do laundry yet.)
Also, come to think of it, underlined are the parts that sound like being the parent(s) of a small child or two. :laugh:
Funny thing is I wasn't seeking to help either Rage or One L, but I feel like Rage is making himself look childish. I wasn't saying anything beyond a hypothesis that perhaps One L's wife helps keep the things going he does not have time to do. I have no idea what their arrangement is.
I do know there are indeed people (wives OR husbands- or even just significant others) who view having to step up their own workload in order to help their partner finish a life goal (like school) as a worthy investment in their future together and/or as something they feel they ought to do to support the person they love and have chosen to spend their life with. Not saying that's always how it pans out, but it certainly wouldn't be a particularly "out-there" arrangement for most of the housework and childcare to fall to the partner who *isn't* working full time while also going to law school- again, does not have to be about gender. Hell of a lot of work for everyone involved, especially with young kids, but I'd assume that their assumption is very likely that it will ultimately be worth it.
And yes, single mothers do it alone. And, in less-common cases, single fathers do it. It's very difficult to do alone- especially TOTALLY alone (which is even less common), but can be done. So long as there's enough money, anyway.
Yes people can have a different outlook. I just think it should be split down the middle.
guys talking about wearing swim trunks for underwear because they had run out of clean underwear and hadn't had time to do laundry yet.)
Oh man thats sick. :( They probably had partying and sex and marijuana higher up on their priority list than staying clean. Well maybe not sex.
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The required work week for a newly hired attorney at a large firm is 100 hours a week. Law school is easy compared to that.
For whatever it's worth, I checked up on this with a friend of a friend who recently graduated law school. They "only" work 50-60 hour weeks.
(http://catmacros.files.wordpress.com/2009/12/busted.jpg)
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The only way what you say could work is if you don't clean yourself regularly, don't sleep well, have no friends, no hobbies outside of this website, don't plan meals/do any grocery shopping or cooking/ let your yard and house look like shit, EXCETERA
Bolded are the parts that are typical for grad school. (And, around exams times, well... let's just say I definitely remember guys talking about wearing swim trunks for underwear because they had run out of clean underwear and hadn't had time to do laundry yet.)
Also, come to think of it, underlined are the parts that sound like being the parent(s) of a small child or two. :laugh:
Funny thing is I wasn't seeking to help either Rage or One L, but I feel like Rage is making himself look childish. I wasn't saying anything beyond a hypothesis that perhaps One L's wife helps keep the things going he does not have time to do. I have no idea what their arrangement is.
I do know there are indeed people (wives OR husbands- or even just significant others) who view having to step up their own workload in order to help their partner finish a life goal (like school) as a worthy investment in their future together and/or as something they feel they ought to do to support the person they love and have chosen to spend their life with. Not saying that's always how it pans out, but it certainly wouldn't be a particularly "out-there" arrangement for most of the housework and childcare to fall to the partner who *isn't* working full time while also going to law school- again, does not have to be about gender. Hell of a lot of work for everyone involved, especially with young kids, but I'd assume that their assumption is very likely that it will ultimately be worth it.
And yes, single mothers do it alone. And, in less-common cases, single fathers do it. It's very difficult to do alone- especially TOTALLY alone (which is even less common), but can be done. So long as there's enough money, anyway.
That was pretty much my reaction to Rage's comments.
Law school is tough and requires a lot of time, but I can easily understand why many couples would choose to do what they can to make it work.'
I went back to the uni at one point in my career, when we had a newborn at home - my oldest - and so we split the responsibilities at home best we could. It worked but eventually I decided I wasn't seeing my kid enough. My wife still thinks it was a shame, but career-wise I've done OK anyway.
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The required work week for a newly hired attorney at a large firm is 100 hours a week. Law school is easy compared to that.
For whatever it's worth, I checked up on this with a friend of a friend who recently graduated law school. They "only" work 50-60 hour weeks.
So the friend of your friend can keep another job on the side, then? :P
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Yes people can have a different outlook. I just think it should be split down the middle.
That's nice in theory but what you will do in Real Life (TM) is to compromise. What's important is that both parties accept that their respective workloads are fair.
"In the middle" considerations, btw, should include the law school anyway because (and I'm assuming things here) it will benefit both of them. My guess is that it was a joint decision.
Now, if she wanted to study, too, things might be different.
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Raising a kid on your own is no stroll in the park! At least at work you get a break and get to log off. It's never ending with a kid. The thing i have found is that whenever i get into supermum mode i feel like 'yeah bring it on' and i get on a roll and find i can accomplish the impossible. They do say if you want to get something done you should ask a busy person :GA:
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Raising a kid on your own is no stroll in the park! At least at work you get a break and get to log off. It's never ending with a kid. The thing i have found is that whenever i get into supermum mode i feel like 'yeah bring it on' and i get on a roll and find i can accomplish the impossible. They do say if you want to get something done you should ask a busy person :GA:
That's so awesome. I don't have any :bonnet: :toy: but I could try getting busier!
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Oh man thats sick. :( They probably had partying and sex and marijuana higher up on their priority list than staying clean. Well maybe not sex.
My response to your responses (quoted above, as well as in general) is probably best summed up in my response to Odeon, below. Rage, you're just making yourself sound too "young" to know what you're talking about.
Yes people can have a different outlook. I just think it should be split down the middle.
That's nice in theory but what you will do in Real Life (TM) is to compromise. What's important is that both parties accept that their respective workloads are fair.
"In the middle" considerations, btw, should include the law school anyway because (and I'm assuming things here) it will benefit both of them. My guess is that it was a joint decision.
Now, if she wanted to study, too, things might be different.
I feel like this conversation is revealing a lack of understanding of/exposure to certain aspects of Real Life (TM) on Rage's part. Which is a shame, as I feel like the current argument started with a legit beef against One L, but now Rage is making his own case seem weak.
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Oh man thats sick. :( They probably had partying and sex and marijuana higher up on their priority list than staying clean. Well maybe not sex.
My response to your responses (quoted above, as well as in general) is probably best summed up in my response to Odeon, below. Rage, hon, you're just making yourself sound too "young" to know what you're talking about.
Yes people can have a different outlook. I just think it should be split down the middle.
That's nice in theory but what you will do in Real Life (TM) is to compromise. What's important is that both parties accept that their respective workloads are fair.
"In the middle" considerations, btw, should include the law school anyway because (and I'm assuming things here) it will benefit both of them. My guess is that it was a joint decision.
Now, if she wanted to study, too, things might be different.
I feel like this conversation is revealing a lack of understanding of/exposure to certain aspects of Real Life (TM) on Rage's part. Which is a shame, as I feel like the current argument started with a legit beef against One L, but now Rage is making his own case seem weak.
I happen to know Rage is very busy. He has been since before he started school. He has different projects and hjas texted me pics of some of them. Pics of his niece and nephew doing different things, pics of them, pics of work he's done arouind the house. They are full of energy. They are smalller versions of himself. He remodeled his parent's house and landscaped their yard. I have seen pics of that as well. It is easy to claim on facebook you have the perfect life. People lie about that all the time. MLA is a lawyer in training. Isn't lying what lawyer's do best? Rage and MLA are free to post pics to back their shit up.
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I can't believe people are stooping to "my life is better than yours!"
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I happen to know Rage is very busy. He has been since before he started school. He has different projects and hjas texted me pics of some of them. Pics of his niece and nephew doing different things, pics of them, pics of work he's done arouind the house. They are full of energy. They are smalller versions of himself. He remodeled his parent's house and landscaped their yard. I have seen pics of that as well. It is easy to claim on facebook you have the perfect life. People lie about that all the time. MLA is a lawyer in training. Isn't lying what lawyer's do best? Rage and MLA are free to post pics to back their shit up.
Whether Rage is busy or not has fuck all to do with the basis for this argument. What PMSL said sounds right to me. Keeping on topic about MLAs behavior here would be more productive than questioning whether he really has a job and is going to Law School evenings. People are capable of such things. I can't believe people are stooping to "my life is better than yours!"
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I can't believe people are stooping to "my life is better than yours!"
Typical MLA. Idgaf who's life is better. MLA is just hellbent on showing the world how speshul he is. I notice generally people who do that are covering up an ugly truth. My life is fine the way it is. I am finally going somewhere because I am making an effort. I don't need to broadcast it publicly. I wouldn't want to jinx it anyway.
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Oh man thats sick. :( They probably had partying and sex and marijuana higher up on their priority list than staying clean. Well maybe not sex.
My response to your responses (quoted above, as well as in general) is probably best summed up in my response to Odeon, below. Rage, hon, you're just making yourself sound too "young" to know what you're talking about.
Yes people can have a different outlook. I just think it should be split down the middle.
That's nice in theory but what you will do in Real Life (TM) is to compromise. What's important is that both parties accept that their respective workloads are fair.
"In the middle" considerations, btw, should include the law school anyway because (and I'm assuming things here) it will benefit both of them. My guess is that it was a joint decision.
Now, if she wanted to study, too, things might be different.
I feel like this conversation is revealing a lack of understanding of/exposure to certain aspects of Real Life (TM) on Rage's part. Which is a shame, as I feel like the current argument started with a legit beef against One L, but now Rage is making his own case seem weak.
I happen to know Rage is very busy. He has been since before he started school. He has different projects and hjas texted me pics of some of them. Pics of his niece and nephew doing different things, pics of them, pics of work he's done arouind the house. They are full of energy. They are smalller versions of himself. He remodeled his parent's house and landscaped their yard. I have seen pics of that as well. It is easy to claim on facebook you have the perfect life. People lie about that all the time. MLA is a lawyer in training. Isn't lying what lawyer's do best? Rage and MLA are free to post pics to back their shit up.
What's your point? That MLA is lying because he claims to be happy? That because Rage's argument re splitting things in the middle is considered to be weak, you need to show that Rage is just as busy as ML says he is but MLA is lying about that, too?
I don't get it.
Rage may be busy but (for entirely understandable reasons) he doesn't have a lot of experience in family life (as in having your own family). It doesn't reflect badly on him at all. What might is him saying he knows it should be better than people who do have that experience.
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I can't believe people are stooping to "my life is better than yours!"
Typical MLA. Idgaf who's life is better. MLA is just hellbent on showing the world how speshul he is. I notice generally people who do that are covering up an ugly truth. My life is fine the way it is. I am finally going somewhere because I am making an effort. I don't need to broadcast it publicly. I wouldn't want to jinx it anyway.
That's just bullshit. It may be true for you but it doesn't have to be true for everyone else. Ever heard of that expression about shouting from the rooftops?
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^I am on my phone. I will go into depth later.
I agree about some of what you said about Rage. I will clarify. I hate typing on my phone.
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The required work week for a newly hired attorney at a large firm is 100 hours a week. Law school is easy compared to that.
For whatever it's worth, I checked up on this with a friend of a friend who recently graduated law school. They "only" work 50-60 hour weeks.
I was referring to the large firms in NY, Chicago and LA. The ones with a starting salary of $160k and $20-$80k in annual bonus. 100 hours a week is an extreme during trial prep or doc review, but 80 hours a week isn't at all unusual. I won't take a job that requires more than 50 myself.
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If the argument has really degraded to who is busier or who is happier then I raise the white flag. It isn't an argument I really care about having, and if thinking you are busier or happier makes you feel good in some way it really costs me nothing to let you have that. Enjoy :)
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If the argument has really degraded to who is busier or who is happier then I raise the white flag. It isn't an argument I really care about having, and if thinking you are busier or happier makes you feel good in some way it really costs me nothing to let you have that. Enjoy :)
You were the one who first implied that Rage was somehow lying about his time schedule. You brought it up.
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If the argument has really degraded to who is busier or who is happier then I raise the white flag. It isn't an argument I really care about having, and if thinking you are busier or happier makes you feel good in some way it really costs me nothing to let you have that. Enjoy :)
You were the one who first implied that Rage was somehow lying about his time schedule. You brought it up.
Provide a quote then.
What I actually said was that I was at least as busy as he is, so his "busyness" wasn't an excuse to let questions lie for 20 days without an answer. Never said shit about his schedule as I have no idea what it is. From what you have written in his defense it sounds like a lot of babysitting, school and arts and crafts. I don't begrudge him any of that.
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If the argument has really degraded to who is busier or who is happier then I raise the white flag. It isn't an argument I really care about having, and if thinking you are busier or happier makes you feel good in some way it really costs me nothing to let you have that. Enjoy :)
You were the one who first implied that Rage was somehow lying about his time schedule. You brought it up.
Provide a quote then.
What I actually said was that I was at least as busy as he is, so his "busyness" wasn't an excuse to let questions lie for 20 days without an answer. Never said shit about his schedule as I have no idea what it is. From what you have written in his defense it sounds like a lot of babysitting, school and arts and crafts. I don't begrudge him any of that.
You are basically trying to control how he lives his life. He doesn't have to justify himself to you. It is his life, not yours. No two people are the same. Everyone has their own set of circumstances. You pass judgment on others as if you were somehow perfect. You are in no place to judge. You aren't special.
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You are basically trying to control how he lives his life.
Now that's hyperbolic. Even for you. How am I controlling his life?
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You are basically trying to control how he lives his life.
Now that's hyperbolic. Even for you. How am I controlling his life?
:hahaha: I said trying to. You do realize he doesn't have to do things the way you *think* he should. Typical Lawyer B.S.
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You are basically trying to control how he lives his life.
Now that's hyperbolic. Even for you. How am I controlling his life?
:hahaha: I said trying to. You do realize he doesn't have to do things the way you *think* he should. Typical Lawyer B.S.
Flailing again :M
What am I trying to "make him do" other than back up his assertions?
He is quite openly trying to make me act differently on the board. Do you feel like a hypocrite making this argument?
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The required work week for a newly hired attorney at a large firm is 100 hours a week. Law school is easy compared to that.
For whatever it's worth, I checked up on this with a friend of a friend who recently graduated law school. They "only" work 50-60 hour weeks.
I was referring to the large firms in NY, Chicago and LA. The ones with a starting salary of $160k and $20-$80k in annual bonus. 100 hours a week is an extreme during trial prep or doc review, but 80 hours a week isn't at all unusual. I won't take a job that requires more than 50 myself.
Places like Boies Schiller. The money is pretty good, but they completely own you.
http://blogs.wsj.com/law/2012/12/04/bonus-watch-envy-edition-boies-schiller-tops-out-at-250000/ (http://blogs.wsj.com/law/2012/12/04/bonus-watch-envy-edition-boies-schiller-tops-out-at-250000/)
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You are basically trying to control how he lives his life.
Now that's hyperbolic. Even for you. How am I controlling his life?
:hahaha: I said trying to. You do realize he doesn't have to do things the way you *think* he should. Typical Lawyer B.S.
Flailing again :M
What am I trying to "make him do" other than back up his assertions?
He is quite openly trying to make me act differently on the board. Do you feel like a hypocrite making this argument?
Projecting again. And yet again purposefully misquoting me. No surprise there.
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You are basically trying to control how he lives his life.
Now that's hyperbolic. Even for you. How am I controlling his life?
:hahaha: I said trying to. You do realize he doesn't have to do things the way you *think* he should. Typical Lawyer B.S.
Flailing again :M
What am I trying to "make him do" other than back up his assertions?
He is quite openly trying to make me act differently on the board. Do you feel like a hypocrite making this argument?
Projecting again. And yet again purposefully misquoting me. No surprise there.
Misquoting? Did I change something in the quote box? Did you not say I am "trying to control how he lives his life"?
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You are basically trying to control how he lives his life.
Now that's hyperbolic. Even for you. How am I controlling his life?
:hahaha: I said trying to. You do realize he doesn't have to do things the way you *think* he should. Typical Lawyer B.S.
Flailing again :M
What am I trying to "make him do" other than back up his assertions?
He is quite openly trying to make me act differently on the board. Do you feel like a hypocrite making this argument?
Projecting again. And yet again purposefully misquoting me. No surprise there.
Misquoting? Did I change something in the quote box? Did you not say I am "trying to control how he lives his life"?
Then what is the issue? If you aren't trying to control how he handles his time then you initial comment is pointless. He isn't you and you don't know his life so you can't say whether or not he has time. You are merely speculating. He won't be back till next week. Nothing you say will chanhe that.
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You aren't even making sense. Try here:
http://www.intensitysquared.com/index.php/topic,20437.0.html (http://www.intensitysquared.com/index.php/topic,20437.0.html)
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You aren't even making sense. Try here:
http://www.intensitysquared.com/index.php/topic,20437.0.html (http://www.intensitysquared.com/index.php/topic,20437.0.html)
You will have to wait. You are not the center of the universe. If you continue with this attention seeking behavior I'll make you wait longer.
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Actually *I* am the centre of the universe. You all exist for my personal amusement. :M
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:indeed:
Actually *I* am the centre of the universe. You all exist for my personal amusement. :M
You even have your own magnetic force that causes the planets to move.
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:indeed:
Actually *I* am the centre of the universe. You all exist for my personal amusement. :M
You even have your own magnetic force that causes the planets to move.
That is absolutely correct. I'd explain but the science is *very* complicated. :toporly:
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Don't feed his delusions of grandeur! :LOL:
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No feeding necessary. I *know*. :P
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I love how nearly every single I2 threads end up some sort of lame-ass piss contest between ego-projecting nerds
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I love how nearly every single I2 threads end up some sort of lame-ass piss contest between ego-projecting nerds
They do not! I'm totally calling you out for saying that! :autism:
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I love how nearly every single I2 threads end up some sort of lame-ass piss contest between ego-projecting nerds
:pee: :pee: :pee: :pee: :pee:
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I love how nearly every single I2 threads end up some sort of lame-ass piss contest between ego-projecting nerds
I really am the centre of the universe, you know.
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I love how nearly every single I2 threads end up some sort of lame-ass piss contest between ego-projecting nerds
I really am the centre of the universe, you know.
Having that much mass is usually a sign that one has been eating too much junk food.
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I love how nearly every single I2 threads end up some sort of lame-ass piss contest between ego-projecting nerds
I really am the centre of the universe, you know.
Having that much mass is usually a sign that one has been eating too much junk food.
I'm a black hole, really. :zoinks:
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Don't feed his delusions of grandeur! :LOL:
He looked hungry. :P
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Don't feed his delusions of grandeur! :LOL:
He looked hungry. :P
But if he gains any more mass, the universe might implode!
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Don't feed his delusions of grandeur! :LOL:
He looked hungry. :P
But if he gains any more mass, the universe might implode!
Oh, dear. What have I done?!? :GA:
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I love how nearly every single I2 threads end up some sort of lame-ass piss contest between ego-projecting nerds
I really am the centre of the universe, you know.
Having that much mass is usually a sign that one has been eating too much junk food.
Sad but true. :cbc: I have reduced my mass but there is more work to be done!
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I love how nearly every single I2 threads end up some sort of lame-ass piss contest between ego-projecting nerds
I really am the centre of the universe, you know.
Having that much mass is usually a sign that one has been eating too much junk food.
I'm a black hole, really. :zoinks:
Damn. How can anyone dominate you now.
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I love how nearly every single I2 threads end up some sort of lame-ass piss contest between ego-projecting nerds
I really am the centre of the universe, you know.
Having that much mass is usually a sign that one has been eating too much junk food.
I'm a black hole, really. :zoinks:
Damn. How can anyone dominate you now.
You can't. :zoinks:
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I can't believe people are stooping to "my life is better than yours!"
:rofl:
:indeed:
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If the argument has really degraded to who is busier or who is happier then I raise the white flag. It isn't an argument I really care about having, and if thinking you are busier or happier makes you feel good in some way it really costs me nothing to let you have that. Enjoy :)
You were the one who first implied that Rage was somehow lying about his time schedule. You brought it up.
Provide a quote then.
What I actually said was that I was at least as busy as he is, so his "busyness" wasn't an excuse to let questions lie for 20 days without an answer. Never said shit about his schedule as I have no idea what it is. From what you have written in his defense it sounds like a lot of babysitting, school and arts and crafts. I don't begrudge him any of that.
I don't begrudge him any of that.
Oh. Well thats that then. You sure seemed to be challenging me though, and I was determined to get to the bottom of it if need be.
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If the argument has really degraded to who is busier or who is happier then I raise the white flag. It isn't an argument I really care about having, and if thinking you are busier or happier makes you feel good in some way it really costs me nothing to let you have that. Enjoy :)
You were the one who first implied that Rage was somehow lying about his time schedule. You brought it up.
Provide a quote then.
What I actually said was that I was at least as busy as he is, so his "busyness" wasn't an excuse to let questions lie for 20 days without an answer. Never said shit about his schedule as I have no idea what it is. From what you have written in his defense it sounds like a lot of babysitting, school and arts and crafts. I don't begrudge him any of that.
I don't begrudge him any of that.
Oh. Well thats that then. You sure seemed to be challenging me though, and I was determined to get to the bottom of it if need be.
Challenging you that you weren't busy? I don't generally find myself arguing points that I have absolutely no evidence to back. I can't prove what you do with your time, so I wouldn't argue it. It is also completely irrelevant to the matter at hand.
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It is also completely irrelevant to the matter at hand.
It really is. If you deny you did this, quote is in the thread. People vs mla or one l or something.
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What I actually said was that I was at least as busy as he is, so his "busyness" wasn't an excuse to let questions lie for 20 days without an answer. Never said shit about his schedule as I have no idea what it is.
That was all I intended
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I explained that before. Your original questions seemed more like jeers or cuts than questions, so I ignored them. When you pressed me, I realized you were serious and answered them.
As an example I asked you the question about calling people niggers. I felt like that is what you were doing to me originally, and wanted to show you what it looked like.
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I explained that before. Your original questions seemed more like jeers or cuts than questions, so I ignored them. When you pressed me, I realized you were serious and answered them.
As an example I asked you the question about calling people niggers. I felt like that is what you were doing to me originally, and wanted to show you what it looked like.
I see. Yes, calling someone a nigger is offensive. It's actually why I started up with Ricky.
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I don't really have a big problem with the words nigger or faggot. They're just words to me.
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What I actually said was that I was at least as busy as he is, so his "busyness" wasn't an excuse to let questions lie for 20 days without an answer. Never said shit about his schedule as I have no idea what it is.
That was all I intended
Bullshit. You used the taunting emote which is what you do to taunt people. :hahaha:
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Oh thats right you gotta finish another callout Mla. :lol1:
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Oh thats right you gotta finish another callout Mla. :lol1:
Yeah, that other one is clearly not going anywhere. :viking:
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Cool I get to be a bystander again.
:2thumbsup:
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I love how nearly every single I2 threads end up some sort of lame-ass piss contest between ego-projecting nerds
:hahaha:
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Why you bumping threads? :zoinks:
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Hoobert takes turns on having
mancrushes obsessions with a rotating cast of I2 doodz.
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Why you bumping threads? :zoinks:
Too good to pass up
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:orly: