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Title: Slutwalk
Post by: Binty on April 05, 2011, 09:02:40 PM
I have mixed views about the whole thing.  Slutwalk was a protest against what a police officer said about rape: "Women should avoid dressing like sluts in order to not be victimized."

Now, I agree that what he said is out of order as it puts all the blame on the woman and absolves the man.  However, there is a slight element of truth to what he said.  I mean, with the way some of the woman dress like, it just screams "FUCK ME".  No, it doesn't immediately equal to "feel free to rape me if you wish" but it DOES put you in the eyes of a man as a target.  We should try to educate men that just because a woman's clothing looks like a "yes" it doesn't actually mean "yes".

Largely my views are in the middle between this article and the comments underneath:

http://thoughtcatalog.com/2011/the-funny-thing-about-the-slutwalk-feminism/

Thoughts?
Title: Re: Slutwalk
Post by: Osensitive1 on April 05, 2011, 09:21:48 PM
Rape is wrong, of course, and when it comes to rapists clothing may or may not be realted to their preference. Women who dress and act like whores get treated like whores even outside of the scope of the issue of rape. Not sure if men are the ones who need educated on this.
Title: Re: Slutwalk
Post by: Binty on April 05, 2011, 09:27:58 PM
Women who dress and act like whores do not deserve rape.  They may invite it but they do not deserve it.  This is why men need to be educated.
Title: Re: Slutwalk
Post by: 'Butterflies' on April 05, 2011, 09:30:12 PM
Women who dress and act like whores do not deserve rape.  They may invite it but they do not deserve it.  This is why men need to be educated.

I think that most rapists know rape is wrong, but choose to do it anyway. I'm not sure how you can educate a rapist not to rape.
Title: Re: Slutwalk
Post by: Osensitive1 on April 05, 2011, 09:31:41 PM
Women who dress and act like whores do not deserve rape.  They may invite it but they do not deserve it.  This is why men need to be educated.
Of course they don't deserve rape, and not sure if they invite it. Have no idea what's in a rapists head, but understand clothing isn't allowed to be brought up in court because plenty of rape victims aren't dressed in any way provocative. It's silly to connect the two.
Title: Re: Slutwalk
Post by: Osensitive1 on April 05, 2011, 09:33:02 PM
I'm not sure how you can educate a rapist not to rape.
Not sure it's possible.
Title: Re: Slutwalk
Post by: Binty on April 05, 2011, 09:33:19 PM
Women who dress and act like whores do not deserve rape.  They may invite it but they do not deserve it.  This is why men need to be educated.

I think that most rapists know rape is wrong, but choose to do it anyway. I'm not sure how you can educate a rapist not to rape.

It's not educating the rapist specifically though, it's educating people who think that just because a woman wears revealing clothing, it's okay to rape her.  Those people who absolve the men of any blame and say the woman brought it on herself.
Title: Re: Slutwalk
Post by: Binty on April 05, 2011, 09:34:07 PM
Women who dress and act like whores do not deserve rape.  They may invite it but they do not deserve it.  This is why men need to be educated.
Of course they don't deserve rape, and not sure if they invite it. Have no idea what's in a rapists head, but understand clothing isn't allowed to be brought up in court because plenty of rape victims aren't dressed in any way provocative. It's silly to connect the two.

I agree.  That's why I think the Slutwalk was fucking stupid :P  However I do agree that it was out of order for a police officer to say what he did.

Meh, I'm not good at getting my points across lately.
Title: Re: Slutwalk
Post by: Osensitive1 on April 05, 2011, 09:35:36 PM
it's educating people who think that just because a woman wears revealing clothing, it's okay to rape her.
Is that what you think that police officer said?
Title: Re: Slutwalk
Post by: P7PSP on April 05, 2011, 09:35:47 PM
Women who dress and act like whores do not deserve rape.  They may invite it but they do not deserve it.  This is why men need to be educated.
You mean the vast majority of men who live their entire life not committing rape anyway? I have made it to 51 years old without committing rape. I am fairly confident that I can refrain from raping women the rest of my life without the benefit of anti rape conditioning.  ::)
Title: Re: Slutwalk
Post by: Binty on April 05, 2011, 09:37:43 PM
it's educating people who think that just because a woman wears revealing clothing, it's okay to rape her.
Is that what you think that police officer said?

Pretty much:  "Women should avoid dressing like sluts in order to not be victimized."
Title: Re: Slutwalk
Post by: Binty on April 05, 2011, 09:38:13 PM
Women who dress and act like whores do not deserve rape.  They may invite it but they do not deserve it.  This is why men need to be educated.
You mean the vast majority of men who live their entire life not committing rape anyway? I have made it to 51 years old without committing rape. I am fairly confident that I can refrain from raping women the rest of my life without the benefit of anti rape conditioning.  ::)

What the hell does anti-rape conditioning even mean?  ::)
Title: Re: Slutwalk
Post by: 'Butterflies' on April 05, 2011, 09:38:39 PM
Women who dress and act like whores do not deserve rape.  They may invite it but they do not deserve it.  This is why men need to be educated.

I think that most rapists know rape is wrong, but choose to do it anyway. I'm not sure how you can educate a rapist not to rape.

It's not educating the rapist specifically though, it's educating people who think that just because a woman wears revealing clothing, it's okay to rape her.  Those people who absolve the men of any blame and say the woman brought it on herself.

People who think that are jerks, but will convincing them they're wrong actually stop any girls getting raped? If they're not the ones doing the raping.

Title: Re: Slutwalk
Post by: eris on April 05, 2011, 09:38:52 PM
I think that women who dress like that should may be be treated as such, but such is not rape. When a man goes from boobies to forced sex acts it's not really about the miniskirt.


Title: Re: Slutwalk
Post by: 'Butterflies' on April 05, 2011, 09:39:52 PM
Women who dress and act like whores do not deserve rape.  They may invite it but they do not deserve it.  This is why men need to be educated.
You mean the vast majority of men who live their entire life not committing rape anyway? I have made it to 51 years old without committing rape. I am fairly confident that I can refrain from raping women the rest of my life without the benefit of anti rape conditioning.  ::)

 I had no idea you were 51. I've seen your pics. You'ree holding up well for an old boy :2thumbsup:
Title: Re: Slutwalk
Post by: Osensitive1 on April 05, 2011, 09:40:42 PM
However I do agree that it was out of order for a police officer to say what he did.
Yes, out of order, though likely he was thinking along the same lines of my first comment; doesn't mean he thinks it was okay.
Pretty much:  "Women should avoid dressing like sluts in order to not be victimized."
Doesn't translate to 'it's okay to rape women who dress like sluts', though stupid, yes.
Title: Re: Slutwalk
Post by: Binty on April 05, 2011, 09:42:43 PM
Women who dress and act like whores do not deserve rape.  They may invite it but they do not deserve it.  This is why men need to be educated.

I think that most rapists know rape is wrong, but choose to do it anyway. I'm not sure how you can educate a rapist not to rape.

It's not educating the rapist specifically though, it's educating people who think that just because a woman wears revealing clothing, it's okay to rape her.  Those people who absolve the men of any blame and say the woman brought it on herself.

People who think that are jerks, but will convincing them they're wrong actually stop any girls getting raped? If they're not the ones doing the raping.



It will certainly help get more rapists convicted if anything.
Title: Re: Slutwalk
Post by: Binty on April 05, 2011, 09:44:45 PM
However I do agree that it was out of order for a police officer to say what he did.
Yes, out of order, though likely he was thinking along the same lines of my first comment; doesn't mean he thinks it was okay.
Pretty much:  "Women should avoid dressing like sluts in order to not be victimized."
Doesn't translate to 'it's okay to rape women who dress like sluts', though stupid, yes.

That's the thing though, we don't know what he was thinking when he said that and speculating that he probably didn't mean it anyway, just let's him get away with it.
Title: Re: Slutwalk
Post by: 'Butterflies' on April 05, 2011, 09:45:45 PM
Women who dress and act like whores do not deserve rape.  They may invite it but they do not deserve it.  This is why men need to be educated.

I think that most rapists know rape is wrong, but choose to do it anyway. I'm not sure how you can educate a rapist not to rape.

It's not educating the rapist specifically though, it's educating people who think that just because a woman wears revealing clothing, it's okay to rape her.  Those people who absolve the men of any blame and say the woman brought it on herself.

People who think that are jerks, but will convincing them they're wrong actually stop any girls getting raped? If they're not the ones doing the raping.



It will certainly help get more rapists convicted if anything.

That is true.
Title: Re: Slutwalk
Post by: Binty on April 05, 2011, 09:46:06 PM
Also, did anyone actually read the article?  :laugh:  That's what I wanted to talk about, the article itself and the comments underneath it, as I'm still not too sure what stance to take on this.

I'm half tempted to post the conversation I had with TOW about it.
Title: Re: Slutwalk
Post by: P7PSP on April 05, 2011, 09:46:31 PM
Women who dress and act like whores do not deserve rape.  They may invite it but they do not deserve it.  This is why men need to be educated.
You mean the vast majority of men who live their entire life not committing rape anyway? I have made it to 51 years old without committing rape. I am fairly confident that I can refrain from raping women the rest of my life without the benefit of anti rape conditioning.  ::)

What the hell does anti-rape conditioning even mean?  ::)
Read A Clockwork Orange by Anthony Burgess - Ludovico Technique. My point is that men as a group don't generally commit rape, those that do - as Butterfly stated - won't likely refrain from it because of education. If that was all that was required the sob sister techniques to rehabilitate criminals that were tried from the 1940s to the 1970s inclusive would have been successful.
Title: Re: Slutwalk
Post by: Binty on April 05, 2011, 09:48:53 PM
Women who dress and act like whores do not deserve rape.  They may invite it but they do not deserve it.  This is why men need to be educated.
You mean the vast majority of men who live their entire life not committing rape anyway? I have made it to 51 years old without committing rape. I am fairly confident that I can refrain from raping women the rest of my life without the benefit of anti rape conditioning.  ::)

What the hell does anti-rape conditioning even mean?  ::)
Read A Clockwork Orange by Anthony Burgess - Ludovico Technique. My point is that men as a group don't generally commit rape, those that do - as Butterfly stated - won't likely refrain from it because of education. If that was all that was required the sob sister techniques to rehabilitate criminals that were tried from the 1940s to the 1970s inclusive would have been successful.

I stopped reading after that.
Title: Re: Slutwalk
Post by: Osensitive1 on April 05, 2011, 09:49:17 PM
It will certainly help get more rapists convicted if anything.
How?
Title: Re: Slutwalk
Post by: P7PSP on April 05, 2011, 09:49:44 PM
Women who dress and act like whores do not deserve rape.  They may invite it but they do not deserve it.  This is why men need to be educated.
You mean the vast majority of men who live their entire life not committing rape anyway? I have made it to 51 years old without committing rape. I am fairly confident that I can refrain from raping women the rest of my life without the benefit of anti rape conditioning.  

 I had no idea you were 51. I've seen your pics. You'ree holding up well for an old boy :2thumbsup:
Thank you Butterflies.  :-[
Title: Re: Slutwalk
Post by: Osensitive1 on April 05, 2011, 09:52:07 PM
Also, did anyone actually read the article?
No, what you posted is more interesting, am sure of it.
Title: Re: Slutwalk
Post by: Eclair on April 05, 2011, 09:57:43 PM
I have mixed views about the whole thing.  Slutwalk was a protest against what a police officer said about rape: "Women should avoid dressing like sluts in order to not be victimized."

Now, I agree that what he said is out of order as it puts all the blame on the woman and absolves the man.  However, there is a slight element of truth to what he said.  I mean, with the way some of the woman dress like, it just screams "FUCK ME".  No, it doesn't immediately equal to "feel free to rape me if you wish" but it DOES put you in the eyes of a man as a target.  We should try to educate men that just because a woman's clothing looks like a "yes" it doesn't actually mean "yes".

Largely my views are in the middle between this article and the comments underneath:

http://thoughtcatalog.com/2011/the-funny-thing-about-the-slutwalk-feminism/

Thoughts?

Does that mean that a girl on a beach wearing a bikini is 'asking for it'?

A man walking around, doing his gardening, with no shirt on, is he 'asking for it'?

My housemate will often walk around with boxers on, no shirt. But if I walked around in shorts and a bikini top, am I a whore and 'asking for it'?

Rape is about power, and the assault of another person's rights to dress, act and look a certain way...or plain just be a female and be attacked.

Old women get raped ffs.

The words 'slut' and 'whore' are so freely associated with women, yet men themselves, if we look at the context of the words, are equally capable of that also.

And really, what is wrong with being a slut, or a whore, whatever that means, if you aren't hurting anyone else deliberately?

Just my random thoughts.
Title: Re: Slutwalk
Post by: 'Butterflies' on April 05, 2011, 09:58:33 PM
There is a point to what the guy said. I don't dress slutty, but if I did, I'd be carefull where I did it. I would avoid walking through dark areas at night and stay on roads where I felt safe.

Same as if I went out for a drink with a lot of money on me. I wouldn't go into some dingy, rough pub in a bad area, and let it be seen that I was carrying lotss of money. Of course it wouldn't give anyone the right to rob me, but I know that it would increase my chances of being robbed.


In an ideal world, we could go about our business knowing that we were safe from others. Sadly we don't live in an ideal world, and the burden of responsibility for our own safety ultimately rests on our own shoulders.
Title: Re: Slutwalk
Post by: 'Butterflies' on April 05, 2011, 10:05:05 PM
Police also tell you to lock your doors and windows, and take precautions against burglars. It doesn't mean that if you don't lock your door that you deserve to be burgled, but of course it does increase your chances of it happening.
Title: Re: Slutwalk
Post by: Osensitive1 on April 05, 2011, 10:06:55 PM
^Your points about location are important; vulnerability is more of an issue than dress.
Title: Re: Slutwalk
Post by: Binty on April 05, 2011, 10:08:38 PM
There is a point to what the guy said. I don't dress slutty, but if I did, I'd be carefull where I did it. I would avoid walking through dark areas at night and stay on roads where I felt safe.

Same as if I went out for a drink with a lot of money on me. I wouldn't go into some dingy, rough pub in a bad area, and let it be seen that I was carrying lotss of money. Of course it wouldn't give anyone the right to rob me, but I know that it would increase my chances of being robbed.


In an ideal world, we could go about our business knowing that we were safe from others. Sadly we don't live in an ideal world, and the burden of responsibility for our own safety ultimately rests on our own shoulders.

Thank you!  I agree with everything you wrote.

I'm gonna post my conversation with TOW after all:

TOW: i dunno.. i still don't really agree. i think the woman should be prepared for wolf whistles/comments/whatever, but not more than that  
personally
me: she should be prepared for attention
TOW: yeah, that's what i mean
me: but some attention may lead to negative attention  
and i dunno
TOW: yeah, but i would say there is a distinct line between attention and physical aggression
and what someone wears isn't going to push someone over that line unless they're basically a sociopath to begin with
me: no but say, a woman is at a party
and she's wearing a dress that could double up as a boob tube
she's had a couple of drinks
and so has the guy she's making out with  
he starts trying to slide his hand up her dress  
and she's telling him no  
now, he doesn't have any right to do that  
BUT
the woman's behaviour and looks does send off wrong signals
TOW: again, i would say it's more to do with the couple of drinks/perceived vulnerability
me: but the guy has had some drinks too
do send off*
TOW: which is more related to the guy's own behavior/decisions
me: yes okay, but i'm saying not every guy who rapes is a sociopath
TOW: really?
me: and i'm not taking the rapist's side  
look, i've been in dodgy situations myself
TOW: i know you're not
me: but those were situations I PUT MYSELF in  
and i invited the attention  
i just didn't like it when they tried to go further
and so women are like that  
it's all nice and dandy when guys are all over you and saying they want to fuck you
but when they actually attempt to, it isn't anymore and you get scared  
the fault sometimes is on both sides
TOW: eh i guess, but it's still situational imo... if you're talking solely about dressing a certain way (which was how i took the article), then i disagree that wearing certain clothes is "asking for it".. and nothing (behavior/clothing/whatever) excuses rape or assault
me: clothing+behaviour is sometimes asking for it though  
i was lucky that i never got myself raped  
but i sure did put myself in situations where it would have been possible
TOW: well, i mean, if you put yourself in a bar situation ostensibly looking for sex, then yes, you are knowingly putting yourself in danger. however, i think the article is more referring to women who dress the same way but are raped in a situation outside something like that (like off the street or whatever)
me: i think it's in general  
it's related to the comment  
a police officer made
TOW: i still think behavior/situation/etc. are much bigger factors than clothing
but the whole march and shit is stupid
me: yeah i agree with that
Title: Re: Slutwalk
Post by: 'Butterflies' on April 05, 2011, 10:09:04 PM
^Your points about location are important; vulnerability is more of an issue than dress.

Yes. I would avoid those areas at night, even if not dressed sluttily.
Title: Re: Slutwalk
Post by: Binty on April 05, 2011, 10:12:39 PM
It will certainly help get more rapists convicted if anything.
How?

By not absolving the man of all blame.  This is a police officer who said that.  It's highly likely then that more police officers think likewise and the police, apart from a hospital, is where a woman would most likely go to if she was raped.  This is why so few women report being raped in the first place as they're afraid that people will turn round and say that they asked for it.
Title: Re: Slutwalk
Post by: 'Butterflies' on April 05, 2011, 10:16:27 PM
This is an argument that I've heard many times. It basically comes down to two points of view.
One is that every woman, or person has an intrinsic right not to be seriously wronged. Morally this is true.
The other is that we have to take esponsibility for keeping ourselves safe, because the one thing we can absolutely rely on is the fact that there is always someone out there who will do us wrong, and all we can do is try our best to make sure it doesn't happen to us.

It's a basic dilema between idealism and pragmatism.
Title: Re: Slutwalk
Post by: Binty on April 05, 2011, 10:18:28 PM
 :indeed:

I'm still not sure where I stand on that.  I'd like to be idealistic but common sense tells me something different.
Title: Re: Slutwalk
Post by: Osensitive1 on April 05, 2011, 10:20:41 PM
This is an argument that I've heard many times. It basically comes down to two points of view.
One is that every woman, or person has an intrinsic right not to be seriously wronged. Morally this is true.
The other is that we have to take esponsibility for keeping ourselves safe, because the one thing we can absolutely rely on is the fact that there is always someone out there who will do us wrong, and all we can do is try our best to make sure it doesn't happen to us.

It's a basic dilema between idealism and pragmatism.
Great post.
Title: Re: Slutwalk
Post by: Binty on April 05, 2011, 10:21:49 PM
This is an argument that I've heard many times. It basically comes down to two points of view.
One is that every woman, or person has an intrinsic right not to be seriously wronged. Morally this is true.
The other is that we have to take esponsibility for keeping ourselves safe, because the one thing we can absolutely rely on is the fact that there is always someone out there who will do us wrong, and all we can do is try our best to make sure it doesn't happen to us.

It's a basic dilema between idealism and pragmatism.
Great post.

I agree.  I'd plus her again if I could.
Title: Re: Slutwalk
Post by: 'Butterflies' on April 05, 2011, 10:26:54 PM
thanks guys :)
Title: Re: Slutwalk
Post by: Eclair on April 05, 2011, 10:29:27 PM
There is a point to what the guy said. I don't dress slutty, but if I did, I'd be carefull where I did it. I would avoid walking through dark areas at night and stay on roads where I felt safe.

Same as if I went out for a drink with a lot of money on me. I wouldn't go into some dingy, rough pub in a bad area, and let it be seen that I was carrying lotss of money. Of course it wouldn't give anyone the right to rob me, but I know that it would increase my chances of being robbed.


In an ideal world, we could go about our business knowing that we were safe from others. Sadly we don't live in an ideal world, and the burden of responsibility for our own safety ultimately rests on our own shoulders.

Agree on all your points, not just in this point, but the following ones, ie; precautions etc....it's the world we live in.

On top of that, you have the progression of society. Hell, we'd all be classed as 'sluts' if we were morphed back 100 years!

I would never do anything to compromise my safety or incite some sort of attention in an unsafe situation.

That being said, both times I have been sexually attacked were in so called 'safe' scenarios. The flipside is, you shouldn't live your life in fear also.

That's not to disagree, but to say, you can conduct yourself within the 'rules' and still be a target. Yep, you can increase those chances by being blase, but to live your whole life with a fear of what might happen, is also not a safe haven. In fact, I'd go so far as to say, I have been safer in far more perceived 'riskier' situations, than when I was in 'safer' situations.
Title: Re: Slutwalk
Post by: ProfessorFarnsworth on April 05, 2011, 10:29:58 PM
I think the issue of provocative clothing isn't the arousal factor, not even about 'asking for it', but rather how easy it would be to remove those items to commit the act. I mean if you're a rapist with a choice between a woman wearing a tight trenchcoat with jeans and a woman wearing a loose blouse and a miniskirt, which one sounds easier to target and overpower?
Title: Re: Slutwalk
Post by: eris on April 05, 2011, 10:30:44 PM
I fail to understand how dressing like a slut promotes violence on women.


yes it promotes the bitch getting treated like a whore...but rape ?


Title: Re: Slutwalk
Post by: Frolic_Fun on April 05, 2011, 10:34:52 PM
This is funny because a lot of people here look down on anyone who dresses like whores. Would you give a shit if those Newcastle bints were raped? :dunno:
Title: Re: Slutwalk
Post by: Binty on April 05, 2011, 10:35:27 PM
Sometimes the lines are murky.  Any time a woman doesn't give consent, it's rape.

It doesn't always have to be about being attacked on the street or in some dark alley.  See my party scenario.
Title: Re: Slutwalk
Post by: Binty on April 05, 2011, 10:36:36 PM
This is funny because a lot of people here look down on anyone who dresses like whores. Would you give a shit if those Newcastle bints were raped? :dunno:

I looked down on them because they were dressed in ridiculous clothing when it was snowing.
Title: Re: Slutwalk
Post by: Frolic_Fun on April 05, 2011, 10:39:14 PM
Personally I'd not give a shit if they did, despite agreeing with the overall topic. Would you?
Title: Re: Slutwalk
Post by: Osensitive1 on April 05, 2011, 10:40:09 PM
Would you give a shit if those Newcastle bints were raped? :dunno:
If they were someone I cared for, then yes would care.
Title: Re: Slutwalk
Post by: earthboundmisfit on April 05, 2011, 10:42:08 PM



TOW: yeah, but i would say there is a distinct line between attention and physical aggression
and what someone wears isn't going to push someone over that line unless they're basically a sociopath to begin with



I agree with TOW. If a guy continues even after you tell him no and make it clear you are done, he is a sociopath. Like I said in the other thread, just being male doesn't solely qualify someone to be a rapist. There has to be an underlying sickness in order to commit an act such as rape, torture, murder, etc.
Title: Re: Slutwalk
Post by: Frolic_Fun on April 05, 2011, 10:44:20 PM
The reason why I am asking this because this topic gives pretense that you should actually care, when in reality most of us probably don't.

Rape, as horribly mind fucking it is to the person and all, If it isn't someone I know then I will not shed a tear. If anything, I won't know it even happened unless it was reported.

I think we should refrain from idealistic tendacies and just be glad we're not the ones being raped. :dunno:
Title: Re: Slutwalk
Post by: ProfessorFarnsworth on April 05, 2011, 10:45:27 PM
Sometimes the lines are murky.  Any time a woman doesn't give consent, it's rape.

It doesn't always have to be about being attacked on the street or in some dark alley.  See my party scenario.

In that case at a party, I'd go by personality and motives at the time. Dressing provocatively poses no real relevance then, except as a failing excuse for the rapist to deny themselves of self-control they should have.
Title: Re: Slutwalk
Post by: Eclair on April 05, 2011, 11:00:36 PM
The reason why I am asking this because this topic gives pretense that you should actually care, when in reality most of us probably don't.

Rape, as horribly mind fucking it is to the person and all, If it isn't someone I know then I will not shed a tear. If anything, I won't know it even happened unless it was reported.

I think we should refrain from idealistic tendacies and just be glad we're not the ones being raped. :dunno:

It probably doesn't affect you directly Schleed, no. But imagine how you would feel if your girlfriend was raped. Don't think it will happen because she is a 'nice' girl and looks after where she is? Think again.

Just sublimal messages like 'bints in Newcastle', 'who would care if they were raped'...is enough. You appear to make a line of those who deserve to have it happen and those who don't. Just that attitude in itself, feeds the misconceptions about just what rape is.
Title: Re: Slutwalk
Post by: Frolic_Fun on April 05, 2011, 11:06:24 PM
It probably doesn't affect you directly Schleed, no. But imagine how you would feel if your girlfriend was raped. Don't think it will happen because she is a 'nice' girl and looks after where she is? Think again.
To say that gives the assumption that I don't care even if it's someone I know. I never said that and to answer that, in that case then yes I would care. I also have never said it couldn't happen, but to be glad it didn't happen to us.

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Just sublimal messages like 'bints in Newcastle', 'who would care if they were raped'...is enough. You appear to make a line of those who deserve to have it happen and those who don't. Just that attitude in itself, feeds the misconceptions about just what rape is.
All I'm pointing out is that we'd not care, despite out pretensions that we would. It is natural to care less for someone you look down on.
Title: Re: Slutwalk
Post by: Al Swearegen on April 06, 2011, 08:03:48 AM
Women who dress and act like whores do not deserve rape.  They may invite it but they do not deserve it.  This is why men need to be educated.

Men don't need to be educated about this Bint.

You may as well say that men need to be educated that it is not right to stab people you don't agree with or that they need to be educated not to put babies in ovens.

I think you need to redefine your thoughts on what "men" need to be educated on.
Title: Re: Slutwalk
Post by: Adam on April 06, 2011, 08:49:37 AM
I don't think men need to be educated, but I think society needs to drasticall change its views on rape.
Title: Re: Slutwalk
Post by: 'andersom' on April 06, 2011, 09:11:25 AM
it's educating people who think that just because a woman wears revealing clothing, it's okay to rape her.
Is that what you think that police officer said?

Pretty much:  "Women should avoid dressing like sluts in order to not be victimized."

Not a specific male point of view, just wrong. Have heard it a lot, also from women.

The only reason I can think of is that people somehow hope there can be found a reason for something as evil as rape, it has to be triggered, lets blame slutty clothing.
In that way, you can have control over rape, can prevent it. If it is just that some people rape, just like that, preying for vulnerable targets, that's a lot more scary than thinking it is slutty clothing triggering it. Because it can't be controlled then.


 
Title: Re: Slutwalk
Post by: Binty on April 06, 2011, 10:08:29 AM
Women who dress and act like whores do not deserve rape.  They may invite it but they do not deserve it.  This is why men need to be educated.

Men don't need to be educated about this Bint.

You may as well say that men need to be educated that it is not right to stab people you don't agree with or that they need to be educated not to put babies in ovens.

I think you need to redefine your thoughts on what "men" need to be educated on.

You're very predictable.
Title: Re: Slutwalk
Post by: Adam on April 06, 2011, 10:08:58 AM
It's kind of true in the same way that going into dodgy places at night means you're more likely to get beaten up. It doesn't mean you DESERVE to get beaten up, or that it's ok. But it is more likely to happen and, annoyingly, deciding not to go to those dodgy areas at night does make sense
Title: Re: Slutwalk
Post by: Al Swearegen on April 06, 2011, 10:12:49 AM
Women who dress and act like whores do not deserve rape.  They may invite it but they do not deserve it.  This is why men need to be educated.

Men don't need to be educated about this Bint.

You may as well say that men need to be educated that it is not right to stab people you don't agree with or that they need to be educated not to put babies in ovens.

I think you need to redefine your thoughts on what "men" need to be educated on.

You're very predictable.

Of course I am predictable. I am a man and as such am easy to figure out. I am also , being a man, in need of re-education to teach me morals and values. Such is my burden of being male. It is a curse  :LOL:
Title: Re: Slutwalk
Post by: Squidusa on April 06, 2011, 10:17:29 AM
My opinion on this is ,

Firstly , the police officer was out of line for what he said , apart from showing a lack of proffesionality (not sure if thats the word) , it was also blatantly unfair therefore some kind of disciplinary action should be taken on him IMO.

Secondly , Rapists will rape regardless of clothing , maybe it makes it easier for them as the Prof said due to skimpy clothing but idk , I think if that rapist was going to rape them , he'd do it regardless of how covered up they are.



This is funny because a lot of people here look down on anyone who dresses like whores. Would you give a shit if those Newcastle bints were raped? :dunno:

I'll admit I did look down on "Those bints in newcastle" as personally I believe it shows a lack of self respect to go around wearing next to nothing, that is in design to attract (Positive) male attention but I certainly wouldnt wish something as horrible as rape upon them.

And as stupid as it may sound I do feel sorry for rape victims and victims of other horrendous crimes  regardless of if I know them or not.
I blame my parents for drilling empathy into me  :P

BTW , when I first read the title of this thread I though it was about walking like Sluts , made me chuckle  :lol:
Title: Re: Slutwalk
Post by: Binty on April 06, 2011, 10:20:44 AM
Women who dress and act like whores do not deserve rape.  They may invite it but they do not deserve it.  This is why men need to be educated.

Men don't need to be educated about this Bint.

You may as well say that men need to be educated that it is not right to stab people you don't agree with or that they need to be educated not to put babies in ovens.

I think you need to redefine your thoughts on what "men" need to be educated on.

You're very predictable.

Of course I am predictable. I am a man and as such am easy to figure out. I am also , being a man, in need of re-education to teach me morals and values. Such is my burden of being male. It is a curse  :LOL:

Unfortunately it's also the burden of being a dumbass  :zoinks:
Title: Re: Slutwalk
Post by: Al Swearegen on April 06, 2011, 10:25:00 AM
Women who dress and act like whores do not deserve rape.  They may invite it but they do not deserve it.  This is why men need to be educated.

Men don't need to be educated about this Bint.

You may as well say that men need to be educated that it is not right to stab people you don't agree with or that they need to be educated not to put babies in ovens.

I think you need to redefine your thoughts on what "men" need to be educated on.

You're very predictable.

Of course I am predictable. I am a man and as such am easy to figure out. I am also , being a man, in need of re-education to teach me morals and values. Such is my burden of being male. It is a curse  :LOL:

Unfortunately it's also the burden of being a dumbass  :zoinks:

So you is saying babies in the oven is a bad thing? Thanks Bint I feels smarter already. You is so smarts being a girl.

You make great points. Thanks Bint I will ponder your posts and look hard for the pearls of wisdom....real hard
Title: Re: Slutwalk
Post by: Binty on April 06, 2011, 10:28:10 AM
Women who dress and act like whores do not deserve rape.  They may invite it but they do not deserve it.  This is why men need to be educated.

Men don't need to be educated about this Bint.

You may as well say that men need to be educated that it is not right to stab people you don't agree with or that they need to be educated not to put babies in ovens.

I think you need to redefine your thoughts on what "men" need to be educated on.

You're very predictable.

Of course I am predictable. I am a man and as such am easy to figure out. I am also , being a man, in need of re-education to teach me morals and values. Such is my burden of being male. It is a curse  :LOL:

Unfortunately it's also the burden of being a dumbass  :zoinks:

So you is saying babies in the oven is a bad thing? Thanks Bint I feels smarter already. You is so smarts being a girl.

You make great points. Thanks Bint I will ponder your posts and look hard for the pearls of wisdom....real hard

You really need to get laid  ;)
Title: Re: Slutwalk
Post by: Al Swearegen on April 06, 2011, 10:30:52 AM
Women who dress and act like whores do not deserve rape.  They may invite it but they do not deserve it.  This is why men need to be educated.

Men don't need to be educated about this Bint.

You may as well say that men need to be educated that it is not right to stab people you don't agree with or that they need to be educated not to put babies in ovens.

I think you need to redefine your thoughts on what "men" need to be educated on.

You're very predictable.

Of course I am predictable. I am a man and as such am easy to figure out. I am also , being a man, in need of re-education to teach me morals and values. Such is my burden of being male. It is a curse  :LOL:

Unfortunately it's also the burden of being a dumbass  :zoinks:

So you is saying babies in the oven is a bad thing? Thanks Bint I feels smarter already. You is so smarts being a girl.

You make great points. Thanks Bint I will ponder your posts and look hard for the pearls of wisdom....real hard

You really need to get laid  ;)

Thanks for the offer but I have to politely refuse. I hear that Praetor is on the prowl for girls though. Seems like a nice chap. If you like I can send him a Pm
Title: Re: Slutwalk
Post by: Binty on April 06, 2011, 10:32:41 AM
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Title: Re: Slutwalk
Post by: Al Swearegen on April 06, 2011, 10:38:13 AM
(http://www.erichufschmid.net/Dumb-down/super-retard.JPG)

Yup that's him. He is a nice guy apparently.
Title: Re: Slutwalk
Post by: RageBeoulve on April 11, 2011, 07:58:01 AM
Women who dress and act like whores do not deserve rape.  They may invite it but they do not deserve it.  This is why men need to be educated.

Teach me about consentual lovin, Ma'am.  :eyelash:
Title: Re: Slutwalk
Post by: Frolic_Fun on April 11, 2011, 12:26:43 PM
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We am spase peepole
Title: Re: Slutwalk
Post by: Scrapheap on April 12, 2011, 10:55:25 PM
Women who dress and act like whores do not deserve rape.  They may invite it but they do not deserve it.  This is why men need to be educated.

Spot on!

I don't know how to rape women properly. Can you show me how??  :eyebrows:  :eyebrows:  :eyebrows: :oneliner:
Title: Re: Slutwalk
Post by: Squidusa on April 13, 2011, 05:30:26 AM
Women who dress and act like whores do not deserve rape.  They may invite it but they do not deserve it.  This is why men need to be educated.

Spot on!

I don't know how to rape women properly. Can you show me how??  :eyebrows:  :eyebrows:  :eyebrows: :oneliner:

 :lol: