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Politics, Mature and taboo => Political Pundits => Topic started by: Binty on November 10, 2011, 08:12:16 PM
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http://www.buzzfeed.com/mjs538/photos-of-penn-state-students-rioting-over-the-fir (http://www.buzzfeed.com/mjs538/photos-of-penn-state-students-rioting-over-the-fir)
Here's how (some) Penn State students reacted to the firing of Coach Joe Paterno. If you didn't already know, Paterno was fired because he found out his assistant coach was molesting children back in 2002 and didn't do anything about it. All of this is so sickening:
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I despise humans.
Here is the guy's indictment in case anyone fancies a read: http://www.freep.com/assets/freep/pdf/C4181508116.PDF (http://www.freep.com/assets/freep/pdf/C4181508116.PDF)
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Is Penn State some kind of moron college for those who couldn't get in anywhere else?
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Thats not right , but reading that court case thing was hard , got to a certain point and closed it due to starting to feel nauseous. :thumbdn:
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Seriously though. First we had "riots" where people used the shooting of a man to run wild, trash their communities and steal a bunch of shit. Now people are "rioting" because a football coach covered for his child-molesting buddy and was rightly fired. I'm just speechless really and almost sympathetic towards those who go on shooting rampages. A large percentage of today's youth fucking sucks.
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Seriously though. First we had "riots" where people used the shooting of a man to run wild, trash their communities and steal a bunch of shit. Now people are "rioting" because a football coach covered up his buddy child molesting. I'm just speechless really and almost sympathetic towards those who go on shooting rampages. A large percentage of today's youth fucking sucks.
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:agreed:
Then again , they are the sports students , don't think too highly of them dear. :zoinks:
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Still.
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Penn State is actually considered to be a good school. Can't judge the whole university because of a certain percentage of morons.
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Penn State is actually considered to be a good school. Can't judge the whole university because of a certain percentage of morons.
It's a good school. Not too far from me. I've seen some concerts there.
Joe Paterno was a very very well loved and respected coach for several decades. From what I understand, his part in this is that someone told him what was happening and he told that person to go to the police and then did not follow up. I dont know what to think, but yeah, he probably should be fired for that.
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Now this is much better: http://www.buzzfeed.com/rebeccae/penn-state-students-and-alums-reacting-appropriate-nzp (http://www.buzzfeed.com/rebeccae/penn-state-students-and-alums-reacting-appropriate-nzp)
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Seriously though. First we had "riots" where people used the shooting of a man to run wild, trash their communities and steal a bunch of shit. Now people are "rioting" because a football coach covered for his child-molesting buddy and was rightly fired. I'm just speechless really and almost sympathetic towards those who go on shooting rampages. A large percentage of today's youth fucking sucks.
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I don't know why it is that you believe that Joe Paterno covered up for Jerry Sandusky in any way whatsoever. Did you not read the pdf link you posted at the end of your original post?
Joe Paterno reported to his immediate supervisor, the athletic director at Penn State, Tim Curley, the very next day what the graduate assistant told him that he had witnessed Jerry Sandusky doing to the child in the locker room. Then Tim Curley and Gary Shultz met with the graduate student directly about ten days later to find out first hand what it was that he saw.
I think that the protestors wonder why Joe Paterno is being fired when he reported the information which he heard second hand from the graduate student immediately to his boss, who reported it to the University President, Graham Spanier, along with letting him know what steps he had already taken to deal with it. I think that the person who was the one with the responsibility to report the abuse was "the person in charge of the school or institution" which was not Joe Paterno.
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Seriously though. First we had "riots" where people used the shooting of a man to run wild, trash their communities and steal a bunch of shit. Now people are "rioting" because a football coach covered for his child-molesting buddy and was rightly fired. I'm just speechless really and almost sympathetic towards those who go on shooting rampages. A large percentage of today's youth fucking sucks.
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I don't know why it is that you believe that Joe Paterno covered up for Jerry Sandusky in any way whatsoever. Did you not read the pdf link you posted at the end of your original post?
Joe Paterno reported to his immediate supervisor, the athletic director at Penn State, Tim Curley, the very next day what the graduate assistant told him that he had witnessed Jerry Sandusky doing to the child in the locker room. Then Tim Curley and Gary Shultz met with the graduate student directly about ten days later to find out first hand what it was that he saw.
I think that the protestors wonder why Joe Paterno is being fired when he reported the information which he heard second hand from the graduate student immediately to his boss, who reported it to the University President, Graham Spanier, along with letting him know what steps he had already taken to deal with it. I think that the person who was the one with the responsibility to report the abuse was "the person in charge of the school or institution" which was not Joe Paterno.
Covering was a wrong word. I was outraged that people could be so stupid. He failed to ensure that his report actually did something though. It's not like he was reporting some kid stealing football equipment, he was reporting a colleague abusing a child. Most people in his position surely would question why Sandusky was not charged, arrested or even fired at the time.
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Also one can question why he didn't go directly to the police, instead of just reporting it to his superior.
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Intelligent student is interviewed by ESPN, interrupted by idiot after Joe Paterno firing (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mXCZKUp45o0#ws)
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Yeah I watched that. Was in the link I posted. Sad that the voice of reason is usually in the minority in situations like this.
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Seriously though. First we had "riots" where people used the shooting of a man to run wild, trash their communities and steal a bunch of shit. Now people are "rioting" because a football coach covered for his child-molesting buddy and was rightly fired. I'm just speechless really and almost sympathetic towards those who go on shooting rampages. A large percentage of today's youth fucking sucks.
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Joe Paterno didn't cover up anthing fuckwit! :finger: Try getting your facts straight first.
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Also one can question why he didn't go directly to the police, instead of just reporting it to his superior.
Because he wasn't a direct witness and didn't have all the facts.
The student who reported it to him was the actual witness and didn't go to police either. He's the one to blame, not Joe Paterno. :facepalm2:
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I just read that Joe Paterno has hired a criminal defense attorney:
http://www.myfoxchicago.com/dpp/news/metro/penn-state-coach-joe-paterno-hires-criminal-attorney-former-president-graham-spanier-loses-highland-park-honors-20111110 (http://www.myfoxchicago.com/dpp/news/metro/penn-state-coach-joe-paterno-hires-criminal-attorney-former-president-graham-spanier-loses-highland-park-honors-20111110)
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Seriously though. First we had "riots" where people used the shooting of a man to run wild, trash their communities and steal a bunch of shit. Now people are "rioting" because a football coach covered for his child-molesting buddy and was rightly fired. I'm just speechless really and almost sympathetic towards those who go on shooting rampages. A large percentage of today's youth fucking sucks.
:thumbdn:
I don't know why it is that you believe that Joe Paterno covered up for Jerry Sandusky in any way whatsoever. Did you not read the pdf link you posted at the end of your original post?
Joe Paterno reported to his immediate supervisor, the athletic director at Penn State, Tim Curley, the very next day what the graduate assistant told him that he had witnessed Jerry Sandusky doing to the child in the locker room. Then Tim Curley and Gary Shultz met with the graduate student directly about ten days later to find out first hand what it was that he saw.
I think that the protestors wonder why Joe Paterno is being fired when he reported the information which he heard second hand from the graduate student immediately to his boss, who reported it to the University President, Graham Spanier, along with letting him know what steps he had already taken to deal with it. I think that the person who was the one with the responsibility to report the abuse was "the person in charge of the school or institution" which was not Joe Paterno.
Covering was a wrong word. I was outraged that people could be so stupid. He failed to ensure that his report actually did something though. It's not like he was reporting some kid stealing football equipment, he was reporting a colleague abusing a child. Most people in his position surely would question why Sandusky was not charged, arrested or even fired at the time.
He's not the person who witnessed the abuse, though. Once he told his boss what he saw, the boss and another man in his chain of command interviewed the graduate student and Joe Paterno was not even at this meeting. He wasn't really in a position to second guess his boss. Jerry Sandusky was not an employee of the university anymore, he had already retired. That's what "emeritus" means.
I think that what Jerry Sanduskey did to those boys is reprehensible and I hope he spends the rest of his life in prison for it, but I don't think that it's fair to blame Joe Paterno for what Jerry Sandusky did. He fulfilled his legal obligation to report the abuse.
Also one can question why he didn't go directly to the police, instead of just reporting it to his superior.
If I told you that I had seen someone (you thought) you knew behaving inappropriately with a child, would you go to the police to make a report yourself or would you suggest that the eyewitness do so? Hearsay evidence is generally inadmissible and this was not something that he witnessed himself.
Furthermore you have to ask yourself what you would have done if you personally witnessed someone raping a ten year old child anally? Would you have quietly backed out of the room and told someone about it the next day or would you have yelled at the perpetrator to stop hurting that child, called 911, then taken the child to the hospital?
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Furthermore you have to ask yourself what you would have done if you personally witnessed someone raping a ten year old child anally? Would you have quietly backed out of the room and told someone about it the next day or would you have yelled at the perpetrator to stop hurting that child, called 911, then taken the child to the hospital?
That's an unfair question.
Everyone thinks how they would react in a situation like that but until (god forbid) you ever encounter that who knows?
Remember the theory of behaviour that keeps passers by walking past someone being attacked / mugged? , a lot people do not know what to do in shocking situations like that and merely walk on past.
As for Joe Pa , yes he tried to do something , but IMO I don't think he tried enough and was fired due to it , the rioting is ridiculous though everyone should forget about the coach and focus on the REAL victims , I.e the kids.
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Where did I blame Joe Paterno for what happened? You're putting words in my mouth.
I'm just saying that firing him was justified and that "rioting" because he was fired, is fucking moronic.
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I do not think he is "responsible" for the abuse, and I'm not even sure if he acted incorrectly. but this is a big scandal, he HAS to take responsibility for this because it is his team. It may not be right, but he needs to be fired.
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Where did I blame Joe Paterno for what happened? You're putting words in my mouth.
I'm just saying that firing him was justified and that "rioting" because he was fired, is fucking moronic.
Was in response to Callaway or me?
Because I wasn't saying you blamed him for what happened. :laugh:
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Where did I blame Joe Paterno for what happened? You're putting words in my mouth.
I'm just saying that firing him was justified and that "rioting" because he was fired, is fucking moronic.
Was in response to Callaway or me?
Because I wasn't saying you blamed him for what happened. :laugh:
It was a response to Callaway and Scrapheap.
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Where did I blame Joe Paterno for what happened? You're putting words in my mouth.
I'm just saying that firing him was justified and that "rioting" because he was fired, is fucking moronic.
Was in response to Callaway or me?
Because I wasn't saying you blamed him for what happened. :laugh:
It was a response to Callaway and Scrapheap.
Ah ok , I need to eat already head is feeling funny. :(
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Where did I blame Joe Paterno for what happened?
Right here.
... Now people are "rioting" because a football coach covered for his child-molesting buddy and was rightly fired. ...
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I'm just saying that firing him was justified and that "rioting" because he was fired, is fucking moronic.
No, you're NOT just saying that. You tried to accuse him of a cover-up and rightly got called out on it.
Now go back to posting boobs goddamnit!!! :grrr: :dom:
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Where did I blame Joe Paterno for what happened?
Right here.
... Now people are "rioting" because a football coach covered for his child-molesting buddy and was rightly fired. ...
:hahaha:
I'm just saying that firing him was justified and that "rioting" because he was fired, is fucking moronic.
No, you're NOT just saying that. You tried to accuse him of a cover-up and rightly got called out on it.
Now go back to posting boobs goddamnit!!! :grrr: :dom:
Actually Binty said this afterwards:
Covering was a wrong word. I was outraged that people could be so stupid. He failed to ensure that his report actually did something though. It's not like he was reporting some kid stealing football equipment, he was reporting a colleague abusing a child. Most people in his position surely would question why Sandusky was not charged, arrested or even fired at the time.
Maybe you should focus on getting your facts straight Scrap. :thumbup:
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Where did I blame Joe Paterno for what happened?
Right here.
... Now people are "rioting" because a football coach covered for his child-molesting buddy and was rightly fired. ...
:hahaha:
Actually Binty said this afterwards:
Covering was a wrong word. I was outraged that people could be so stupid. He failed to ensure that his report actually did something though. It's not like he was reporting some kid stealing football equipment, he was reporting a colleague abusing a child. Most people in his position surely would question why Sandusky was not charged, arrested or even fired at the time.
Maybe you should focus on getting your facts straight Scrap. :thumbup:
No, my facts ARE straight. You don't use the word "covering" when you meant "failure to follow through with an investigation". That was an obvious attempt by Binty to back-pedal on her comments. She also tried to claim that he did nothing. She was wrong about that too.
Besides Binty is a grown woman and can defend herself. She doesn't need you doing it for her. :P
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Scrap, go get laid please.
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Where did I blame Joe Paterno for what happened?
Right here.
... Now people are "rioting" because a football coach covered for his child-molesting buddy and was rightly fired. ...
:hahaha:
Actually Binty said this afterwards:
Covering was a wrong word. I was outraged that people could be so stupid. He failed to ensure that his report actually did something though. It's not like he was reporting some kid stealing football equipment, he was reporting a colleague abusing a child. Most people in his position surely would question why Sandusky was not charged, arrested or even fired at the time.
Maybe you should focus on getting your facts straight Scrap. :thumbup:
No, my facts ARE straight. You don't use the word "covering" when you meant "failure to follow through with an investigation". That was an obvious attempt by Binty to back-pedal on her comments. She also tried to claim that he did nothing. She was wrong about that too.
Besides Binty is a grown woman and can defend herself. She doesn't need you doing it for her. :P
Nope sorry , you're reading something that you want to read , Binty said something , regretted it and acknowledged that.
We all say things then realise they weren't appropriate , Why not just leave things be rather than kick up a fuss about a comment someone already took back?
And yes Binty is a grown woman and can defend herself , I just think you were wrong so I said so , this is I2 after all. :)
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I can chime in as a mandated reporter and say that unfortunately there's quite a limit to what you can do with hearsay, though of course this is quite a differnt situation than those I deal with at my work.
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Scrap, go get laid please.
I accept your terms of surrender!!! :thumbup: