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Arena for the Competitive => Main Event Callouts => Topic started by: eris on November 12, 2011, 09:55:05 AM
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not "everyone". You will know If I mean you.
So, this TM wp/aff drama is really sad. I mean, it actually makes me sad. It makes me sad that a bunch of people with no life want to calculate the downfall of a suicidal man.
I do not fucking CARE what he did to you all.
Posting his Ip address ? Tying to use his own suicide threat to get him in trouble ? I could go on ...
Why dont you all get a fucking backbone and say this stuff on those websites to his face ?
You all are cowards, and I am ASHAMED to be associated with this place right now.
I'm not going to be posting as much anymore. I dont want someone to think I had something to do with this.
You guys are disgusting. If he kills himself over this, I guess you think you won ?
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Well I posted on that other thread about TM. Just trying to understand his story. I would post on the website to his face but can't as I am banned from there (WP).
Imo he has taken on too much too fast and it has overloaded him. So he needs to take time out. To think about what has happened and plan for the future so he doesn't end up overloaded again. It seems he is new to the whole autism neighbourhood.
I hope he doesn't kill himself.
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Well I posted on that other thread about TM. Just trying to understand his story. I would post on the website to his face but can't as I am banned from there (WP).
Imo he has taken on too much too fast and it has overloaded him. So he needs to take time out. To think about what has happened and plan for the future so he doesn't end up overloaded again. It seems he is new to the whole autism neighbourhood.
I hope he doesn't kill himself.
Yeah I didnt mean you. And I didnt automatically mean anyone who posted in the thread. I think it is obvious who is acting like 12 year old girls.
I really dont know what happened, but you are probably right. He got stressed out.
So, I guess some people think the solution is to use manipulation to use his own words against him. It is childish, immature, and just plain mean.
this is the internet. some people need to remember that. suicide is not the internet. It's real.
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There's a quote that goes something like this, "All it takes for evil to triumph is for good people to do nothing."
For the most part (almost entirely) I've been quiet when I've noticed what I thought was I2 ganging up on or bullying someone. And yes, I even participated a time or two, to my later shame and regret.
I don't know where the line is between expressing an opinion and bullying.
Is an opinion,"I don't think his posts are truthful"?
Is bulllying, "He wouldn't know the truth if it fucked him in his arse. Who's got the :vibe:"?
I know this isn't a place for the soft or weak, but if someone isn't here to defend himself maybe this isn't the moral way to handle the situation.
I'm not on AFF or WP so I don't know the ins and outs of the whole situation, but I cringed at times when I read posts here about people on those sites. And the reason I didn't step up is because I don't know the personalities involved, which is no excuse.
Thank you Eris for being a good person and standing up against the darker side of our humanness.
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thanks queen.
I dont even think this is a matter of someone being bullied. If that happens it happens, it lets the person get thicker skin. I wouldnt like it but I wouldnt speak out against it.
This is different. This is sneaky.
This is secretly discussing , in what they believe to be private, how to bring about the downfall of a suicidal person.
I thought I2 was about "enabling" the spazzes ? Not trying to get them to kill themselves.
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I think maybe you should clarify exactly who you are calling out if you want an answer , if this a vent / rant kind of post then nvm. :P
Is there a point in starting a peanut gallery or not?
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I don't even have an inkling of a clue
what this is about ?
who is TM?
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I think maybe you should clarify exactly who you are calling out if you want an answer , if this a vent / rant kind of post then nvm. :P
Is there a point in starting a peanut gallery or not?
I am calling out anyone involved. Specifically Professor, V, Pikajedi and Skyblue. They know this.
And anyone else who agrees with them.
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I don't even have an inkling of a clue
what this is about ?
who is TM?
some people are trying to manipulate the words of a suicidal man to get him in trouble in the internets. Apparently they have no respect for humanity.
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I think maybe you should clarify exactly who you are calling out if you want an answer , if this a vent / rant kind of post then nvm. :P
Is there a point in starting a peanut gallery or not?
I am calling out anyone involved. Specifically Professor, V, Pikajedi and Skyblue. They know this.
And anyone else who agrees with them.
Ah ok.
I'll wait till one of them responds before making a peanut gallery.
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where? on here?
who is TM?
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where? on here?
who is TM?
TM = Tambo Man , someone on WP :P
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oh ok thanks squiddy :thumbup:
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I respectfully agree with this. A line has to be drawn somewhere. This place seems more like a gang or a fraternity than a community.
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I respectfully agree with this. A line has to be drawn somewhere. This place seems more like a gang or a fraternity than a community.
I think if they have something to say to TM, they should say it in a place where he will actually read it. That proves this isnt trying to toughen him up. They are plotting against him.
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I respectfully agree with this. A line has to be drawn somewhere. This place seems more like a gang or a fraternity than a community.
I think if they have something to say to TM, they should say it in a place where he will actually read it. That proves this isnt trying to toughen him up. They are plotting against him.
so? he has access to info on the thread, so aint no one hiding a damn thing
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It's tacky, that's what is wrong.
It's immature, and it's pathetic.
go say it TO him then, if you arent hiding it
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It's tacky, that's what is wrong.
It's immature, and it's pathetic.
go say it TO him then, if you arent hiding it
you cant say anything to him in person. with the wp mods covering for him everything is removed at his request. So you never get an answer.
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I DONT FUCKING CARE
THIS IS THE INTERNET
GET OVER IT
THE MAN IS SUICIDAL
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I DONT FUCKING CARE
THIS IS THE INTERNET
GET OVER IT
THE MAN IS SUICIDAL
no the fuck he is not.
he lied to the wp mods said he was taken to hospital after his suicide attempt.
that is a lie, they dont turn you loose on the same day. you are held for observation.
he had been posting all day long yesterday.
this is personal betwen me and him.
I will post about it whereever the fuck I want
so you STFU and get over it
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THIS IS THE INTERNET AND YOU HARASSING A SUICIDAL MAN BECAUSE OF INTERNET DRAMA
GROW UP
And you have no idea if his suicide threat was real or not. Just the fact that it was even MENTIONED should give you enough foresight to realize you need to back off !
If you all continue to harass a suicidal man into committing suicide, you goddamn well better expect me to do something about it.
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I don't know who he is and I don't care if he kills himself. I have no respect for the majority of humanity so his life will not be missed by me.
That said, people who announce such suicide attempts most likely don't do it.
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THIS IS THE INTERNET AND YOU HARASSING A SUICIDAL MAN BECAUSE OF INTERNET DRAMA
GROW UP
And you have no idea if his suicide threat was real or not. Just the fact that it was even MENTIONED should give you enough foresight to realize you need to back off !
If you all continue to harass a suicidal man into committing suicide, you goddamn well better expect me to do something about it.
hey knock yourself out........I havent said anything to him in a while. all my communication has been to wp mods or whatever the fuck they are
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I seriously doubt TM's threats of suicide are genuine.
He has already shown himself to be a dishonest, lying, manipulative cunt.
I don't believe a word he says and this drama is just his latest stunt.
Hey! I made a rhyme!!! :green:
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I seriously doubt TM's threats of suicide are genuine.
He has already shown himself to be a dishonest, lying, manipulative cunt.
I don't believe a word he says and this drama is just his latest stunt.
Hey! I made a rhyme!!! :green:
(Pssst , in here Scrap :P http://www.intensitysquared.com/index.php/topic,18731.0.html (http://www.intensitysquared.com/index.php/topic,18731.0.html) )
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It doesnt really matter. It's not really the point
The people Ive called out are sneaky, conniving, cowardly and soulless.
If you want to say something someone about something they did, DONT go to some other website they dont even read and whine about it and plot against them. It makes you an asshole.
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I seriously doubt TM's threats of suicide are genuine.
He has already shown himself to be a dishonest, lying, manipulative cunt.
I don't believe a word he says and this drama is just his latest stunt.
Hey! I made a rhyme!!! :green:
(Pssst , in here Scrap :P http://www.intensitysquared.com/index.php/topic,18731.0.html (http://www.intensitysquared.com/index.php/topic,18731.0.html) )
What part of "everyone" did you miss??
Oh, you don't want ME posting in here, but say nothing to Schleed or Boddie?? is that how it works?? :orly:
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i think it made it clear, immediately, who i was talking to in this callout.
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i think it made it clear, immediately, who i was talking to in this callout.
I've participated too, I'm just as guilty as teh rest of dem!!! :autism:
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If you feel that he should be plotted against secretly , and reported to authorities over internet drama, well then I call you out too.
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TM has been plotting in secret and has reported to his authorities (Autism Speaks).
Why is it that his shit doesn't stink, but everyone who is opposed to his bullshit, stinks to you??
What is the source of your personal bias in this??
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TM has been plotting in secret and has reported to his authorities (Autism Speaks).
Why is it that his shit doesn't stink, but everyone who is opposed to his bullshit, stinks to you??
What is the source of your personal bias in this??
Again, I dont know what he did and really dont care. You could all very well be right about it all.
My personal bias in this is that I have a soul, and am human. I see someone that has threatened suicide be further bullied and threatened with legal action for simply saying they want to kill themselves. My personal bias in this is that if he really does hurt himself, and I sat back and watched it happen, I wont be able to forgive myself.
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I do not believe his suicide threat to be genuine; It is an attempt at manipulation, and fits right in with his pattern up til now.
Regardless, it should be acted upon as though it were genuine, just in case it's real.
Unless you've dealt with a situation where somebody is serious, Eris, I don't respect your opinion on this matter.
I have dealt with this situation for real, more than once, and I have no respect or regard for people who attempt to use it to manipulate, because it's just fucking disgusting and makes it that much harder for people who are suicidal.
I disagree with Sky's action in getting a warrant; I don't feel that's the proper way to deal with it. That said, there is no fucking WAY he got out of the hospital that quickly, and he'd not be allowed onto the forums from the psych wards for obvious reasons.
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eris is BRAVE! :viking:
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I do not believe his suicide threat to be genuine; It is an attempt at manipulation, and fits right in with his pattern up til now.
Regardless, it should be acted upon as though it were genuine, just in case it's real.
Unless you've dealt with a situation where somebody is serious, Eris, I don't respect your opinion on this matter.
I have dealt with this situation for real, more than once, and I have no respect or regard for people who attempt to use it to manipulate, because it's just fucking disgusting and makes it that much harder for people who are suicidal.
I disagree with Sky's action in getting a warrant; I don't feel that's the proper way to deal with it. That said, there is no fucking WAY he got out of the hospital that quickly, and he'd not be allowed onto the forums from the psych wards for obvious reasons.
What I'm trying to say, is that all of this shouldn't matter. TM probably is an asshole, I have no idea.
I am saying - stop for a minute. Stop thinking about your internet drama. Just stop.
There is someone who is either suicidal, or so fucking upset they feel like they are, and you guys act like a bunch of hens and go and secretly plot how to exact your revenge.
He is a real person, out there somewhere. It's time to back off.
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There is someone who is either suicidal, or so fucking upset they feel like they are, and you guys act like a bunch of hens and go and secretly plot how to exact your revenge.
He is a real person, out there somewhere. It's time to back off.
Which is exactly the point and the reason is should be acted on as if it is genuine, just in case it is.
Again, I don't think it is, but I've always acted with a policy of "take that shit seriously".
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Well, he went to the hospital and got help for it. So this should be done now.
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Well, he went to the hospital and got help for it. So this should be done now.
Did you personally see him enter the hospital?? You're still falling for his lies.
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Well, he went to the hospital and got help for it. So this should be done now.
Did you personally see him enter the hospital?? You're still falling for his lies.
my point is that it doesnt matter if he is lying. To do this , period, is wrong.
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Well, he went to the hospital and got help for it. So this should be done now.
Did you personally see him enter the hospital?? You're still falling for his lies.
my point is that it doesnt matter if he is lying. To do this , period, is wrong.
Please explain to me how treating a suicide threat seriously is wrong. It's quite obvious he's lied about going to the hospital, simply because of the timeframes involved; So if he really is suicidal, he's not gotten any assistance for it.
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This is how you respond seriously to a suicide threat ?
to go talk privately with his enemies on how to get him in trouble ?
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This is how you respond seriously to a suicide threat ?
to go talk privately with his enemies on how to get him in trouble ?
I respond seriously to a suicide threat by calling local health authorities.
I was not the one he made the threat to, and it's not on my site, so I'm merely strongly advising and suggesting what I consider the best course of action.
If that's what you consider "getting him in trouble", then so be it.
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I'm talking about everything else you guys are doing. And you know it.
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I'm talking about everything else you guys are doing. And you know it.
No you're not, you're specifically addressing the situation around the suicide threat and that's what I am responding to.
If you're changing the parameters, then please specify what they actually are.
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Read the thread. Ive made my position painfully clear. I'm talking about you guys coming here, to THIS website, sneaking around, and plotting revenge on him.
Don't play semantics with me.
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Read the thread. Ive made my position painfully clear. I'm talking about you guys coming here, to THIS website, sneaking around, and plotting revenge on him.
Don't play semantics with me.
And I have made my position on the matter perfectly clear.
It is not me, and it is not AFF, that has been spreading lies and slander; Nor have we been manipulating people. TamMan is the one who has done these things.
Now I am advocating that a suicide threat, regardless of whom it comes from and the status of its sincerity, be treated as though it were real.
Somebody who made that threat, claimed to be going to the hospital and then immediately resuming posting is a liar, because they simply don't let you go that quickly. For their own good, it is vital that local health authorities be contacted - we made the mistake on AFF once of believing somebody about that sort of thing, and they ended up killing themselves. Never again.
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I dont know how many times I can say this. I really dont give a flying fuck what happened. If you contacted the authorities because he threatened suicide, that is probably for the best.
I am talking about the revenge plots, back-handedness, and sneaky behavior that is happening here at I2. If something happened and AFF or WP, I dont care. What I see, is bullies talking behind someones back secretly, and plotting against him. Posting his Ip address and real name and everything.
I'm not going to repeat that again.
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I dont know how many times I can say this. I really dont give a flying fuck what happened. If you contacted the authorities because he threatened suicide, that is probably for the best.
I am talking about the revenge plots, back-handedness, and sneaky behavior that is happening here at I2. If something happened and AFF or WP, I dont care. What I see, is bullies talking behind someones back secretly, and plotting against him. Posting his Ip address and real name and everything.
I'm not going to repeat that again.
I can't contact them; It didn't happen on a site I run, and it wasn't made to me. Only WP staff and arguably Sky can do that.
I didn't post his real name, he did. He's denied that was his IP address, and with good reason - it belonged to an account he registered solely to troll with.
If you don't care, and you're not reading what's going on, why are you involving yourself?
You've only git half a story - go take a look at what he's claiming AFF has done, what he's tried to tar Mech with (and I'm so fucking proud of the members at AFF for collectively going "so fucking what, it was years ago and offsite") and tried to get us to ban her with, solely based on stuff from years back on other sites, in attempt to get revenge for a perceived slight.
In addition, he's wheeling and manipulating people on WP in an attempt to...I don't even know. Farns might be able to assess that better.
He's doing what he can to make AFF look like a bunch of nutters (claiming we've filed legal actions, claiming all sorts of things about me, Gareth and Amy, that sort of thing), and that's just the stuff that's been shown to me.
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Stop explaining the situation to me. I am sure TM is a huge asshole. I do not care if you are right.
I care because you brought this to I2.
I care because you're cyber-bullying someone who does not read this website and is not here to defend himself, and I care because you are making this whole place look bad. I care because people are posting his contact info, and Ip address, and are planning to manipulate the suicide attempt of someone to your own advantage.
And you are discussing how you are going to go about it here. That's why I care. If you guys want to be petty children about this, do it somewhere else.
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I care because you're cyber-bullying someone who does not read this website and is not here to defend himself,
There's nothing stopping him from creating an account and explaining himself.
The fact that he doesn't do that, and instead, has spies telling him what is being said, says something in and of itself.
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Stop explaining the situation to me. I am sure TM is a huge asshole. I do not care if you are right.
I care because you brought this to I2.
I care because you're cyber-bullying someone who does not read this website and is not here to defend himself, and I care because you are making this whole place look bad. I care because people are posting his contact info, and Ip address, and are planning to manipulate the suicide attempt of someone to your own advantage.
And you are discussing how you are going to go about it here. That's why I care. If you guys want to be petty children about this, do it somewhere else.
I didn't bring it anywhere; I responded to an accusation here, and explained the circumstances behind it. I operate on a policy of openness and disclosure, and if I say that often enough I might actually start doing it more consistantly! :lol:
Besides, TamMan does know what's going on here because somebody is leaking to him; That's cowardice in and of itself, because he knows he'd be treated like anyone else here; ROUGHLY :LOL:
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I care because you're cyber-bullying someone who does not read this website and is not here to defend himself,
There's nothing stopping him from creating an account and explaining himself.
The fact that he doesn't do that, and instead, has spies telling him what is being said, says something in and of itself.
I do not think I would want to visit a website where several people are trying to get me in trouble with the police for saying I wanted to kill myself either. That is pretty much the definition of a lion pit.
No matter what, this isnt AFF or WP, so the only reason ANYONE would bring it here would to be sneaky and private about it.
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I cant believe I have to explain to a bunch of adults why it is not nice to try to get a suicidal person in trouble on the internet because of a vendetta.
seriously ? I SERIOUSLY have to explain this ?
My god...there really IS no humanity here, is there.
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I don't even have an inkling of a clue
what this is about ?
who is TM?
No idea.
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I cant believe I have to explain to a bunch of adults why it is not nice to try to get a suicidal person in trouble on the internet because of a vendetta.
I can't believe I have to explain to why it is essential to treat any and all suicide threats as if genuine, regardless of internet or because of vendetta.
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It doesnt really matter. It's not really the point
The people Ive called out are sneaky, conniving, cowardly and soulless.
If you want to say something someone about something they did, DONT go to some other website they dont even read and whine about it and plot against them. It makes you an asshole.
It says "Everyone". Are you calling everyone sneaky, etc?
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It doesnt really matter. It's not really the point
The people Ive called out are sneaky, conniving, cowardly and soulless.
If you want to say something someone about something they did, DONT go to some other website they dont even read and whine about it and plot against them. It makes you an asshole.
It says "Everyone". Are you calling everyone sneaky, etc?
Read the beginning of this thread and you'll know.
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I cant believe I have to explain to a bunch of adults why it is not nice to try to get a suicidal person in trouble on the internet because of a vendetta.
I can't believe I have to explain to why it is essential to treat any and all suicide threats as if genuine, regardless of internet or because of vendetta.
I dont know why you keep going back to that. Ive said a thousands times what my problem is with the sitation.
It doesnt really matter. It's not really the point
The people Ive called out are sneaky, conniving, cowardly and soulless.
If you want to say something someone about something they did, DONT go to some other website they dont even read and whine about it and plot against them. It makes you an asshole.
It says "Everyone". Are you calling everyone sneaky, etc?
I wrote everyone being sort of factious because it seemed like a gang-up situation. Ive stated in the thread who I was talking to. But, honestly, if someone comes here just to plot against someone else then yeah, I think they are being sneaky.
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Stop explaining the situation to me. I am sure TM is a huge asshole. I do not care if you are right.
I care because you brought this to I2.
I care because you're cyber-bullying someone who does not read this website and is not here to defend himself, and I care because you are making this whole place look bad. I care because people are posting his contact info, and Ip address, and are planning to manipulate the suicide attempt of someone to your own advantage.
And you are discussing how you are going to go about it here. That's why I care. If you guys want to be petty children about this, do it somewhere else.
Are you saying that once someone's lied about a suicide attempt then s/he need to be treated with kid gloves?
If you want to call out people, at least read their replies.
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I am saying that it is a shit thing to do to go to a totally different website and plot the revenge of someone , including posting their personal info and Ip adress, threatening to have them arrested, all because they are butthurt over something.
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It doesnt really matter. It's not really the point
The people Ive called out are sneaky, conniving, cowardly and soulless.
If you want to say something someone about something they did, DONT go to some other website they dont even read and whine about it and plot against them. It makes you an asshole.
It says "Everyone". Are you calling everyone sneaky, etc?
Read the beginning of this thread and you'll know.
I did and would suggest her to choose a title that fits instead of pissing EVERYONE off.
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I dont think Ive pissed everyone off. In fact, quite a few people agreed with me. The very first sentence of the thread explained exactly who I was talking to.
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I am saying that it is a shit thing to do to go to a totally different website and plot the revenge of someone , including posting their personal info and Ip adress, threatening to have them arrested, all because they are butthurt over something.
Why didn't you react before, when other people were "plotted" against? How about speaking out when Pandora got in the line of fire when TCO was acting like an arse and people were plotting like mad? Or perhaps when that parakeet fellow saw ghosts everywhere? Or why not when Alex fucking Plank has been discussed? Now, there's one guy that has been plotted against, more than once.
AFAIK, the IP revealed was one used by the person for trolling, which he has admitted. Apparently the suicide attempt was a lie because the timing doesn't fit, as several people have pointed out.
IMO, Pika has a pretty level-headed approach to this whole thing. You don't seem to.
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I dont think Ive pissed everyone off. In fact, quite a few people agreed with me. The very first sentence of the thread explained exactly who I was talking to.
I used the word because you did. See how it works?
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I cant believe I have to explain to a bunch of adults why it is not nice to try to get a suicidal person in trouble on the internet because of a vendetta.
I can't believe I have to explain to why it is essential to treat any and all suicide threats as if genuine, regardless of internet or because of vendetta.
I dont know why you keep going back to that. Ive said a thousands times what my problem is with the sitation.
Because it's the primary issue as far as I am concerned; The rest of his lies will fall apart, and that's evident in the fact that a lot of his "supporters" are now ripping into him.
I would suggest that that was another major reason for his threat; To stave that off and perhaps garner support; "oh, those mean AFF people made him suicidal".
Frankly, my dear, I don't give a fuck about the rest of it - that threat, if it's real, needs to be taken seriously. If it's not, it still needs to be taken seriously and if he's lying let the hospital deal with him, because it's not fair on the other users of the forum and it's just dirty to try and get us with it.
I am saying that it is a shit thing to do to go to a totally different website and plot the revenge of someone , including posting their personal info and Ip adress, threatening to have them arrested, all because they are butthurt over something.
Hey, that IP address "isn't his", it belongs to a completely unrelated third party and he's totally confused about it - oh wait, or was it his sister?
Nobody posted any person info of his - he posted his real name himself, as I said a couple of posts back. Starting to suspect you're not actually reading my replies.
Arrested? I've said nothing of the sort, I said "local health authorities". I'll let Sky speak for himself.
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I am saying that it is a shit thing to do to go to a totally different website and plot the revenge of someone , including posting their personal info and Ip adress, threatening to have them arrested, all because they are butthurt over something.
Why didn't you react before, when other people were "plotted" against? How about speaking out when Pandora got in the line of fire when TCO was acting like an arse and people were plotting like mad? Or perhaps when that parakeet fellow saw ghosts everywhere? Or why not when Alex fucking Plank has been discussed? Now, there's one guy that has been plotted against, more than once.
AFAIK, the IP revealed was one used by the person for trolling, which he has admitted. Apparently the suicide attempt was a lie because the timing doesn't fit, as several people have pointed out.
IMO, Pika has a pretty level-headed approach to this whole thing. You don't seem to.
I was personally involved with the pandora scandal, and was on the personal receiving end of her abuse. I was there, at facebook, doing exactly that - confronting the situation. Parakeet came here, at this website, defending himself. If I would have read anyone threatening his liveleyhood when he was not here I would have said something
This isnt flaming. This is messing with someones personal IRL situation. Posting real names and IP addresses, and calling REAL LIFE authorities.
As for others, they are here to defend themselves, and they are also not suicidal. Also no one was talking about calling the police and having someone arrested.
you guys just dont know when to quit.
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I think I just got a real good lesson about I2. I wont make that mistake again.
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I am saying that it is a shit thing to do to go to a totally different website and plot the revenge of someone , including posting their personal info and Ip adress, threatening to have them arrested, all because they are butthurt over something.
Why didn't you react before, when other people were "plotted" against? How about speaking out when Pandora got in the line of fire when TCO was acting like an arse and people were plotting like mad? Or perhaps when that parakeet fellow saw ghosts everywhere? Or why not when Alex fucking Plank has been discussed? Now, there's one guy that has been plotted against, more than once.
AFAIK, the IP revealed was one used by the person for trolling, which he has admitted. Apparently the suicide attempt was a lie because the timing doesn't fit, as several people have pointed out.
IMO, Pika has a pretty level-headed approach to this whole thing. You don't seem to.
This isnt flaming. This is messing with someones personal IRL situation. Posting real names and IP addresses, and calling REAL LIFE authorities.
As for others, they are here to defend themselves, and they are also not suicidal. Also no one was talking about calling the police and having someone arrested.
you guys just dont know when to quit.
Ok, it's clear to me that you're not actually reading anything we're saying, you're reading what you think we're saying, so...We're done here. :thumbdn:
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This isnt flaming. This is messing with someones personal IRL situation. Posting real names and IP addresses, and calling REAL LIFE authorities.
If they're suicidal and that information is used to help them, then I find it excusable. When I had a suicide attempt and PMed a member who used to post here, he reported my PM to the admins and they used all information they had about me to try and help me. Though it was mortifying at the time, they had good intentions and I respect that.
I don't know all the facts here, mainly because I haven't been bothered to read all their posts but I agree with the sentiment. I despise people who prey on the weak, especially on the Internet and have no empathy at all.
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I am saying that it is a shit thing to do to go to a totally different website and plot the revenge of someone , including posting their personal info and Ip adress, threatening to have them arrested, all because they are butthurt over something.
Why didn't you react before, when other people were "plotted" against? How about speaking out when Pandora got in the line of fire when TCO was acting like an arse and people were plotting like mad? Or perhaps when that parakeet fellow saw ghosts everywhere? Or why not when Alex fucking Plank has been discussed? Now, there's one guy that has been plotted against, more than once.
AFAIK, the IP revealed was one used by the person for trolling, which he has admitted. Apparently the suicide attempt was a lie because the timing doesn't fit, as several people have pointed out.
IMO, Pika has a pretty level-headed approach to this whole thing. You don't seem to.
I was personally involved with the pandora scandal, and was on the personal receiving end of her abuse. I was there, at facebook, doing exactly that - confronting the situation. Parakeet came here, at this website, defending himself. If I would have read anyone threatening his liveleyhood when he was not here I would have said something
This isnt flaming. This is messing with someones personal IRL situation. Posting real names and IP addresses, and calling REAL LIFE authorities.
As for others, they are here to defend themselves, and they are also not suicidal. Also no one was talking about calling the police and having someone arrested.
you guys just dont know when to quit.
Except, re Pandora, it was pretty clear that most of the time it wasn't her posting, it was TCO. But I guess that is different because you were involved directly, right? Sorry eris but that just reeks of double standards to me. Maybe you don't see it, maybe you need to see both dramas from the outside? Pandora is a real person, too, one that was ganged up on without ever being on here, either, and what the fuck was she supposed to do? Believe a bunch of rude blips on her screen over a real-life person she fucking lives with? Sir Les told most of you as much, and he knows Pandora, knew her long before what happened, happened.
As for the others, maybe you should read the old threads more closely.
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Except, re Pandora, it was pretty clear that most of the time it wasn't her posting, it was TCO. But I guess that is different because you were involved directly, right? Sorry eris but that just reeks of double standards to me. Maybe you don't see it, maybe you need to see both dramas from the outside? Pandora is a real person, too, one that was ganged up on without ever being on here, either, and what the fuck was she supposed to do? Believe a bunch of rude blips on her screen over a real-life person she fucking lives with? Sir Les told most of you as much, and he knows Pandora, knew her long before what happened, happened.
Except it wasn't.
She was the one who spoke badly about people here, on a completely different website where they weren't around to defend themselves. That's not honourable at all. Sir Les being friends with her, doesn't automatically make her a nice person either. Don't see why you're using her as an example in this. The parakeet case is a better one.
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my whole point with this thread is that it does not matter if you guys are right. It does not matter if TM is a manipulative liar. He probably is.
What matters is that its just plain wrong to post personal information of someone, or bring real life consequences to the table for any reason. That never happened with anyone else or I would have said something about it.
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I am saying that it is a shit thing to do to go to a totally different website and plot the revenge of someone , including posting their personal info and Ip adress, threatening to have them arrested, all because they are butthurt over something.
Why didn't you react before, when other people were "plotted" against? How about speaking out when Pandora got in the line of fire when TCO was acting like an arse and people were plotting like mad? Or perhaps when that parakeet fellow saw ghosts everywhere? Or why not when Alex fucking Plank has been discussed? Now, there's one guy that has been plotted against, more than once.
AFAIK, the IP revealed was one used by the person for trolling, which he has admitted. Apparently the suicide attempt was a lie because the timing doesn't fit, as several people have pointed out.
IMO, Pika has a pretty level-headed approach to this whole thing. You don't seem to.
This isnt flaming. This is messing with someones personal IRL situation. Posting real names and IP addresses, and calling REAL LIFE authorities.
As for others, they are here to defend themselves, and they are also not suicidal. Also no one was talking about calling the police and having someone arrested.
you guys just dont know when to quit.
Ok, it's clear to me that you're not actually reading anything we're saying, you're reading what you think we're saying, so...We're done here. :thumbdn:
I read what you said. You said that you had a legal obligation to contact the authorities, and that is fine. If someone is going to kill themselves and you call the cops that is fine, maybe even good.
Its everything else, bringing it here. You are the one that wont address the issue.
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my whole point with this thread is that it does not matter if you guys are right. It does not matter if TM is a manipulative liar. He probably is.
What matters is that its just plain wrong to post personal information of someone, or bring real life consequences to the table for any reason. That never happened with anyone else or I would have said something about it.
Frankly, I think that's cowardly and craven.
If you ignore such things, you run the risk of having another Freund on your hands. as I said earlier, we've had an actual suicide of a member at AFF and we'll be damned if that happens again. If you think that's wrong, well, basically, fuck off. As I said at the start; If you've never dealt with a suicide threat and you're advocating not bringing Real Life into it, I do not respect your opinion because you do not know what you are talking about
It's not a legal obligation, it's a moral one.
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ok, then do that. I do not disagree with you about that, or about him being wrong about everything.
But if that is your only concern, why are you HERE talking about it ? Do you think that posting his personal RL info on THIS website will help this situation ?
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Except, re Pandora, it was pretty clear that most of the time it wasn't her posting, it was TCO. But I guess that is different because you were involved directly, right? Sorry eris but that just reeks of double standards to me. Maybe you don't see it, maybe you need to see both dramas from the outside? Pandora is a real person, too, one that was ganged up on without ever being on here, either, and what the fuck was she supposed to do? Believe a bunch of rude blips on her screen over a real-life person she fucking lives with? Sir Les told most of you as much, and he knows Pandora, knew her long before what happened, happened.
Except it wasn't.
She was the one who spoke badly about people here, on a completely different website where they weren't around to defend themselves. That's not honourable at all. Sir Les being friends with her, doesn't automatically make her a nice person either. Don't see why you're using her as an example in this. The parakeet case is a better one.
How do you know? TCO admitted to having done this more than once.
As for speaking badly about people on a completely different website (here), I do believe that Butterflies started that particular campaign. She then made it clear that she didn't particularly regret it.
Why did I pick this as an example? Simply because it is fresh in people's minds, because personal information about both her and TCO WAS posted here, including photos, and I just don't see the difference other than in the details.
How is ANY of this honourable? Just to be perfectly clear on this, I think posting personal information, including photos, without that person's approval is not honourable when the objective is to piss that person off, and I really don't give a shit about how it's justified.
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I think we need to remember that the reason the "vendetta" against him is being exacted is because he threatened suicide. That's just cold.
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Just one more thing: I think judging I2 as a whole for some people's actions is not particularly cool, either.
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ok, then do that. I do not disagree with you about that, or about him being wrong about everything.
But if that is your only concern, why are you HERE talking about it ? Do you think that posting his personal RL info on THIS website will help this situation ?
What RL info has been posted?
Its everything else, bringing it here. You are the one that wont address the issue.
Again, for the third or forth time; I did not bring it here, I answered an accusation that was made here. You are not reading what the posts say, just what you think they say.
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Just one more thing: I think judging I2 as a whole for some people's actions is not particularly cool, either.
I explained in the very first sentence of this thread that I did not mean everyone, and i explained that 3 different times.
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I think we need to remember that the reason the "vendetta" against him is being exacted is because he threatened suicide. That's just cold.
One does not speak for all.
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ok, then do that. I do not disagree with you about that, or about him being wrong about everything.
But if that is your only concern, why are you HERE talking about it ? Do you think that posting his personal RL info on THIS website will help this situation ?
What RL info has been posted?
Its everything else, bringing it here. You are the one that wont address the issue.
Again, for the third or forth time; I did not bring it here, I answered an accusation that was made here. You are not reading what the posts say, just what you think they say.
His IP adress and real full name. I am reading, and reading, and reading. You all think I need some smoking gun to prove some falsehood.
I dont really care who is right, Im not trying to prove someone wrong. I'm trying to point out to everyone how fucking RUDE you guys are being.
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ok, then do that. I do not disagree with you about that, or about him being wrong about everything.
But if that is your only concern, why are you HERE talking about it ? Do you think that posting his personal RL info on THIS website will help this situation ?
What RL info has been posted?
Its everything else, bringing it here. You are the one that wont address the issue.
Again, for the third or forth time; I did not bring it here, I answered an accusation that was made here. You are not reading what the posts say, just what you think they say.
His IP adress and real full name. I am reading, and reading, and reading. You all think I need some smoking gun to prove some falsehood.
I dont really care who is right, Im not trying to prove someone wrong. I'm trying to point out to everyone how fucking RUDE you guys are being.
If you're reading, then you'll have seen me saying, several times now, that he himself posted his real full name in public. He was claiming that he'd not come back to AFF to troll and was "confused" as to what was going on, so by extension either that's not his IP address or one of us is lying.
Rude? Oh you fucking betcha. I feel completely entitled to be rude, considering he attempted to drag my name personally through the mud - apparently I'm an Orwellian control freak who hides anything that doesn't agree with me! :lol:
But seriously, I see no reason to be any more polite to him than he is being to and about me.
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Except, re Pandora, it was pretty clear that most of the time it wasn't her posting, it was TCO. But I guess that is different because you were involved directly, right? Sorry eris but that just reeks of double standards to me. Maybe you don't see it, maybe you need to see both dramas from the outside? Pandora is a real person, too, one that was ganged up on without ever being on here, either, and what the fuck was she supposed to do? Believe a bunch of rude blips on her screen over a real-life person she fucking lives with? Sir Les told most of you as much, and he knows Pandora, knew her long before what happened, happened.
Except it wasn't.
She was the one who spoke badly about people here, on a completely different website where they weren't around to defend themselves. That's not honourable at all. Sir Les being friends with her, doesn't automatically make her a nice person either. Don't see why you're using her as an example in this. The parakeet case is a better one.
How do you know? TCO admitted to having done this more than once.
As for speaking badly about people on a completely different website (here), I do believe that Butterflies started that particular campaign. She then made it clear that she didn't particularly regret it.
Why did I pick this as an example? Simply because it is fresh in people's minds, because personal information about both her and TCO WAS posted here, including photos, and I just don't see the difference other than in the details.
How is ANY of this honourable? Just to be perfectly clear on this, I think posting personal information, including photos, without that person's approval is not honourable when the objective is to piss that person off, and I really don't give a shit about how it's justified.
I don't know, that's why I said it wasn't clear. Only later did we find out that TCO had done this multiple times elsewhere. If you remember, the people involved including myself, discussed this point many times.
I'm not saying what we did or what Butterflies did was honourable either. I just don't think it's fair to use Pandora as an example. She herself drew attention to her personal information and photos by using Facebook as an outlet to vent against I2 members that she had no personal knowledge of.
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ok, then do that. I do not disagree with you about that, or about him being wrong about everything.
But if that is your only concern, why are you HERE talking about it ? Do you think that posting his personal RL info on THIS website will help this situation ?
What RL info has been posted?
Its everything else, bringing it here. You are the one that wont address the issue.
Again, for the third or forth time; I did not bring it here, I answered an accusation that was made here. You are not reading what the posts say, just what you think they say.
His IP adress and real full name. I am reading, and reading, and reading. You all think I need some smoking gun to prove some falsehood.
I dont really care who is right, Im not trying to prove someone wrong. I'm trying to point out to everyone how fucking RUDE you guys are being.
If you're reading, then you'll have seen me saying, several times now, that he himself posted his real full name in public. He was claiming that he'd not come back to AFF to troll and was "confused" as to what was going on, so by extension either that's not his IP address or one of us is lying.
Rude? Oh you fucking betcha. I feel completely entitled to be rude, considering he attempted to drag my name personally through the mud - apparently I'm a control freak! :lol:
But seriously, I see no reason to be any more polite to him than he is being to and about me.
again i ask you, if these are your only concerns, why come to I2 and bitch about it
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ok, then do that. I do not disagree with you about that, or about him being wrong about everything.
But if that is your only concern, why are you HERE talking about it ? Do you think that posting his personal RL info on THIS website will help this situation ?
What RL info has been posted?
Its everything else, bringing it here. You are the one that wont address the issue.
Again, for the third or forth time; I did not bring it here, I answered an accusation that was made here. You are not reading what the posts say, just what you think they say.
His IP adress and real full name. I am reading, and reading, and reading. You all think I need some smoking gun to prove some falsehood.
I dont really care who is right, Im not trying to prove someone wrong. I'm trying to point out to everyone how fucking RUDE you guys are being.
If you're reading, then you'll have seen me saying, several times now, that he himself posted his real full name in public. He was claiming that he'd not come back to AFF to troll and was "confused" as to what was going on, so by extension either that's not his IP address or one of us is lying.
Rude? Oh you fucking betcha. I feel completely entitled to be rude, considering he attempted to drag my name personally through the mud - apparently I'm a control freak! :lol:
But seriously, I see no reason to be any more polite to him than he is being to and about me.
again i ask you, if these are your only concerns, why come to I2 and bitch about it
(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t254/pikajedi3/Ammunition/Gorilla-hungover_1370932i.jpg)
...Ok, you're fucking winding me up now, aren't you?
Again, for the third or forth time; I did not bring it here, I answered an accusation that was made here.
I didn't bring it anywhere; I responded to an accusation here, and explained the circumstances behind it.
And that's just taking a cursory glance. Try actually READING.
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I was going to post about my professional and personal experiences with suicide threats, attempts and results. Not with specific information, but with my personal side of the dealing with it.
BUT, anything I say will be lost in all the shouting. FWIW, informing the authorities was the right thing to do. Speaking about it here any more is pointless.
Thats just an outsiders opinion, take it for what it's worth. :M
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ok, then do that. I do not disagree with you about that, or about him being wrong about everything.
But if that is your only concern, why are you HERE talking about it ? Do you think that posting his personal RL info on THIS website will help this situation ?
What RL info has been posted?
Its everything else, bringing it here. You are the one that wont address the issue.
Again, for the third or forth time; I did not bring it here, I answered an accusation that was made here. You are not reading what the posts say, just what you think they say.
His IP adress and real full name. I am reading, and reading, and reading. You all think I need some smoking gun to prove some falsehood.
I dont really care who is right, Im not trying to prove someone wrong. I'm trying to point out to everyone how fucking RUDE you guys are being.
If you're reading, then you'll have seen me saying, several times now, that he himself posted his real full name in public. He was claiming that he'd not come back to AFF to troll and was "confused" as to what was going on, so by extension either that's not his IP address or one of us is lying.
Rude? Oh you fucking betcha. I feel completely entitled to be rude, considering he attempted to drag my name personally through the mud - apparently I'm a control freak! :lol:
But seriously, I see no reason to be any more polite to him than he is being to and about me.
again i ask you, if these are your only concerns, why come to I2 and bitch about it
(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t254/pikajedi3/Ammunition/Gorilla-hungover_1370932i.jpg)
...Ok, you're fucking winding me up now, aren't you?
Again, for the third or forth time; I did not bring it here, I answered an accusation that was made here.
I didn't bring it anywhere; I responded to an accusation here, and explained the circumstances behind it.
And that's just taking a cursory glance. Try actually READING.
ok so many you didnt start the thread, but you went on and on about it for over a dozen pages. I would say that means you contributed.
I was going to post about my professional and personal experiences with suicide threats, attempts and results. Not with specific information, but with my personal side of the dealing with it.
BUT, anything I say will be lost in all the shouting. FWIW, informing the authorities was the right thing to do. Speaking about it here any more is pointless.
Thats just an outsiders opinion, take it for what it's worth. :M
This isnt about calling the authorities because you are afraid someone will kill themselves.
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ok so many you didnt start the thread, but you went on and on about it for over a dozen pages. I would say that means you contributed.
I responded to accusations and answered questions. Excuse me for operating on a policy of openness.
I think your primary complaint isn't even with me, but everyone else is just enjoying the show.
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Actually, my primary complaint is with Skyblue, but I think you are acting petty and should be more professional since that is your role. I am sure it is not AFF's policy to run to I2 and complain about stuff.
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I was going to post about my professional and personal experiences with suicide threats, attempts and results. Not with specific information, but with my personal side of the dealing with it.
BUT, anything I say will be lost in all the shouting. FWIW, informing the authorities was the right thing to do. Speaking about it here any more is pointless.
Thats just an outsiders opinion, take it for what it's worth. :M
I would be interested in hearing it.
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Except, re Pandora, it was pretty clear that most of the time it wasn't her posting, it was TCO. But I guess that is different because you were involved directly, right? Sorry eris but that just reeks of double standards to me. Maybe you don't see it, maybe you need to see both dramas from the outside? Pandora is a real person, too, one that was ganged up on without ever being on here, either, and what the fuck was she supposed to do? Believe a bunch of rude blips on her screen over a real-life person she fucking lives with? Sir Les told most of you as much, and he knows Pandora, knew her long before what happened, happened.
Except it wasn't.
She was the one who spoke badly about people here, on a completely different website where they weren't around to defend themselves. That's not honourable at all. Sir Les being friends with her, doesn't automatically make her a nice person either. Don't see why you're using her as an example in this. The parakeet case is a better one.
How do you know? TCO admitted to having done this more than once.
As for speaking badly about people on a completely different website (here), I do believe that Butterflies started that particular campaign. She then made it clear that she didn't particularly regret it.
Why did I pick this as an example? Simply because it is fresh in people's minds, because personal information about both her and TCO WAS posted here, including photos, and I just don't see the difference other than in the details.
How is ANY of this honourable? Just to be perfectly clear on this, I think posting personal information, including photos, without that person's approval is not honourable when the objective is to piss that person off, and I really don't give a shit about how it's justified.
This is certainly not how I see things.
I never started any campaign against Pandora. I said some stuff about her to get a response from Steve. He said plenty of far worse things about my family to get a response from me, but I'm hardly going to accuse him of starting a campaign against my family.
By the time I did start interacting with Pandora, she did seem to have a fairly full-on campaign against me, but I certainly did not ever start any campaign against her.
I find this quite absurd in fact.
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Actually, my primary complaint is with Skyblue, but I think you are acting petty and should be more professional since that is your role. I am sure it is not AFF's policy to run to I2 and complain about stuff.
I gave my professional opinion and defended it; For what it's worth, I've yet to see anybody with actual experience in these situations disagree with it.
Petty in what regard?
I may be an admin of AFF, but that does not mean I have to always wear my modhat, and I would argue that expecting me to do so is, to use your own words, petty. If I say something at AFF, it's official, carries weight and is often considered policy. If I say something here, it's just another voice in the madness.
Psychophant, I'd also like to hear what you have to say.
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We appear to have some guests spectating.
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Except, re Pandora, it was pretty clear that most of the time it wasn't her posting, it was TCO. But I guess that is different because you were involved directly, right? Sorry eris but that just reeks of double standards to me. Maybe you don't see it, maybe you need to see both dramas from the outside? Pandora is a real person, too, one that was ganged up on without ever being on here, either, and what the fuck was she supposed to do? Believe a bunch of rude blips on her screen over a real-life person she fucking lives with? Sir Les told most of you as much, and he knows Pandora, knew her long before what happened, happened.
Except it wasn't.
She was the one who spoke badly about people here, on a completely different website where they weren't around to defend themselves. That's not honourable at all. Sir Les being friends with her, doesn't automatically make her a nice person either. Don't see why you're using her as an example in this. The parakeet case is a better one.
How do you know? TCO admitted to having done this more than once.
As for speaking badly about people on a completely different website (here), I do believe that Butterflies started that particular campaign. She then made it clear that she didn't particularly regret it.
Why did I pick this as an example? Simply because it is fresh in people's minds, because personal information about both her and TCO WAS posted here, including photos, and I just don't see the difference other than in the details.
How is ANY of this honourable? Just to be perfectly clear on this, I think posting personal information, including photos, without that person's approval is not honourable when the objective is to piss that person off, and I really don't give a shit about how it's justified.
This is certainly not how I see things.
I never started any campaign against Pandora. I said some stuff about her to get a response from Steve. He said plenty of far worse things about my family to get a response from me, but I'm hardly going to accuse him of starting a campaign against my family.
By the time I did start interacting with Pandora, she did seem to have a fairly full-on campaign against me, but I certainly did not ever start any campaign against her.
I find this quite absurd in fact.
Except that what "she" said may have actually come from TCO. Much of the phrasing "she" used sounded like him.
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you can argue that you are a mod and have responsibility to react, or you can argue you are just a member and not required to act as a mod. not both.
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I am still trying to work out where the posts are which eris refers to? i am crap at keeping up!
Pandora and Parakeet were not suicidal, or were they? i think the driving force behind this badly named callout is the suicide bit. Now i do think the 'right' thing to do is 'alert the authorities' yes definitely a moral obligation. But.... reading between the lines (and i have to admit i haven't read the lines yet) it appears that it is not a case of alerting the authorities and being supportive, but rather alerting the authorities and being 'haha' or 'ner ner na ner ner' which if you look at it morally is a bit shitty. Not saying that is how it is, but that is how it looks.
Suicide stuff is dodgy. Have known plenty who have talked about it, but one new years day one of my mates just did it. Out of the blue. No warning, no cries for help. Just gone.
Suicide hoaxes are :thumbdn:
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I do think the reason some people wanted to alert the authorities was to simply get him in trouble and go na na na na na na , and thats the #1 reason why I got upset.
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you can argue that you are a mod and have responsibility to react, or you can argue you are just a member and not required to act as a mod. not both.
I don't see why only mods have some moral responsibility to act. Anyone with enough information to help the person could feel moral responsibility and act on it, IMO.
I was curious if this possibly suicidal person was already a member here, perhaps under another name.
If this guy said that he was suicidal only as a means to gain sympathy and win some internet argument, then that's low because he had to know that many people take suicide threats like that very seriously. If the authorities were alerted and he got into some trouble if it turned out to be a hoax he perpetrated, then wouldn't that responsibility be on him for lying about suicide in the first place?
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I do think the reason some people wanted to alert the authorities was to simply get him in trouble and go na na na na na na , and thats the #1 reason why I got upset.
I think that threats of suicide should ALWAYS be taken seriously, regardless of the person. If they get into trouble because they're lying and they did it to manipulate, they fucking deserve to.
I have no interest in being personally supportive to TamMan - he has attempted to fuck me over and is openly hostile to things I have invested a great deal of trouble in - but my principles and my morals say that authorities should be contacted regardless of the subject in question.
you can argue that you are a mod and have responsibility to react, or you can argue you are just a member and not required to act as a mod. not both.
I only have that responsibility on AFF, where I do my level best to act professionally, and I defy you if you think I have to act like that everywhere on the internet.
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you can argue that you are a mod and have responsibility to react, or you can argue you are just a member and not required to act as a mod. not both.
I don't see why only mods have some moral responsibility to act. Anyone with enough information to help the person could feel moral responsibility and act on it, IMO.
I was curious if this possibly suicidal person was already a member here, perhaps under another name.
If this guy said that he was suicidal only as a means to gain sympathy and win some internet argument, then that's low because he had to know that many people take suicide threats like that very seriously. If the authorities were alerted and he got into some trouble if it turned out to be a hoax he perpetrated, then wouldn't that responsibility be on him for lying about suicide in the first place?
I do not think they really should have a moral responsibility to act as a moderator. That was Pikajedi's position, that as a mod it was his job.
I do not think the police would do anything really either, but it was skyblue that said he already contacted the authorities and is waiting for an arrest warrant.
And that why why I got involved. This is no longer an internet drama, people are messing with his life.
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I do think the reason some people wanted to alert the authorities was to simply get him in trouble and go na na na na na na , and thats the #1 reason why I got upset.
I think that threats of suicide should ALWAYS be taken seriously, regardless of the person. If they get into trouble because they're lying and they did it to manipulate, they fucking deserve to.
I have no interest in being personally supportive to TamMan - he has attempted to fuck me over and is openly hostile to things I have invested a great deal of trouble in - but my principles and my morals say that authorities should be contacted regardless of the subject in question.
you can argue that you are a mod and have responsibility to react, or you can argue you are just a member and not required to act as a mod. not both.
I only have that responsibility on AFF, where I do my level best to act professionally, and I defy you if you think I have to act like that everywhere on the internet.
so when questioned about the suicide attempt you are allowed to wear the mod hat, but can take it off at any time to say personal opinions ?
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I do not think they really should have a moral responsibility to act as a moderator. That was Pikajedi's position, that as a mod it was his job.
You have misunderstood my position; I did not specify "as a mod".
so when questioned about the suicide attempt you are allowed to wear the mod hat, but can take it off at any time to say personal opinions ?
...That WAS a personal opinion.
And yes, I can. I'm not a moderator here, I'm under no obligation to behave like one. I will wear the modhat when answering questions about the site I run, and that's about it. And oh yes, look, I came into this discussion answering a question and an accusation about the site I run, look at that.
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You mean you did not post several times of AFF policy of what you had to do becase someone actually did this before ?
Also, I agree you do not have a responsibility to be a mod here. Thats why it is so silly when you keep flip-flopping your "official" position on this.
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Except, re Pandora, it was pretty clear that most of the time it wasn't her posting, it was TCO. But I guess that is different because you were involved directly, right? Sorry eris but that just reeks of double standards to me. Maybe you don't see it, maybe you need to see both dramas from the outside? Pandora is a real person, too, one that was ganged up on without ever being on here, either, and what the fuck was she supposed to do? Believe a bunch of rude blips on her screen over a real-life person she fucking lives with? Sir Les told most of you as much, and he knows Pandora, knew her long before what happened, happened.
Except it wasn't.
She was the one who spoke badly about people here, on a completely different website where they weren't around to defend themselves. That's not honourable at all. Sir Les being friends with her, doesn't automatically make her a nice person either. Don't see why you're using her as an example in this. The parakeet case is a better one.
How do you know? TCO admitted to having done this more than once.
As for speaking badly about people on a completely different website (here), I do believe that Butterflies started that particular campaign. She then made it clear that she didn't particularly regret it.
Why did I pick this as an example? Simply because it is fresh in people's minds, because personal information about both her and TCO WAS posted here, including photos, and I just don't see the difference other than in the details.
How is ANY of this honourable? Just to be perfectly clear on this, I think posting personal information, including photos, without that person's approval is not honourable when the objective is to piss that person off, and I really don't give a shit about how it's justified.
This is certainly not how I see things.
I never started any campaign against Pandora. I said some stuff about her to get a response from Steve. He said plenty of far worse things about my family to get a response from me, but I'm hardly going to accuse him of starting a campaign against my family.
By the time I did start interacting with Pandora, she did seem to have a fairly full-on campaign against me, but I certainly did not ever start any campaign against her.
I find this quite absurd in fact.
Except that what "she" said may have actually come from TCO. Much of the phrasing "she" used sounded like him.
If you're right, then Steve started the campaign against me in her name.
TBH, I'm not really sure that was Steve pretending to be Pandora all the time on FB. You say that some of the speech paterns could only have came from Steve, and you are probably right, but at the same time, some of her comments sounded completely unlike Steve. Also, she was making other FB posts at the time on unrelated subjects, and sounding nothing like Steve.
I am convinced they were both totally involved and posting. I think that her being unaware of what's going on is the least likely outcome, as she appears to be a regular FB user, and it would probably be near impossible for Steve to hide the fact that he has been making posts in her name.
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Actually, my primary complaint is with Skyblue, but I think you are acting petty and should be more professional since that is your role. I am sure it is not AFF's policy to run to I2 and complain about stuff.
I gave my professional opinion and defended it; For what it's worth, I've yet to see anybody with actual experience in these situations disagree with it.
Petty in what regard?
I may be an admin of AFF, but that does not mean I have to always wear my modhat, and I would argue that expecting me to do so is, to use your own words, petty. If I say something at AFF, it's official, carries weight and is often considered policy. If I say something here, it's just another voice in the madness.
Psychophant, I'd also like to hear what you have to say.
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We appear to have some guests spectating.
My psychospoiledbratbitch-ex-girlfriend did it to me and we got to her house, cops, ambulance her parents, the works.....what did we find,......a drunken, LAUGHING cunt who was howling with laughter at her "clever" manipulation. She called me first, I called the the cops and the ambulance crew (I was off duty, but am back on duty since my injury--with restrictions), then her parents. Well, when the facts became known.....I was furious, she was always good at manipulating others and had pulled this before with her parents. This was the first time it was done with full public knowledge. Mommy and Daddy always covered for her. Now her parents were there with us and humiliated before all the town. Now I had told my girlfriend (the cop) about her past and what she had done to me and others. After this I felt no more compunctions about revealing her past behaviors to the cops and her parents. She put lives at risk for her ego and need of attention. I'm still furious and am seeing red as I write this. So I'll stop here and step out. Before I say any more. :M
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You mean you did not post several times of AFF policy of what you had to do becase someone actually did this before ?
Also, I agree you do not have a responsibility to be a mod here. Thats why it is so silly when you keep flip-flopping your "official" position on this.
Yes, I posted what the AFF policy is as a contrast to the procedure, or rather lack thereof, that WP has for dealing which such threats.
I'd like some elaboration on what I'm flip-flopping on.
If you agree that I am under no obligation to behave like a moderator here, then why are you insisting that I behave like a moderator here?
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You mean you did not post several times of AFF policy of what you had to do becase someone actually did this before ?
Also, I agree you do not have a responsibility to be a mod here. Thats why it is so silly when you keep flip-flopping your "official" position on this.
Yes, I posted what the AFF policy is as a contrast to the procedure, or rather lack thereof, that WP has for dealing which such threats.
I'd like some elaboration on what I'm flip-flopping on.
If you agree that I am under no obligation to behave like a moderator here, then why are you insisting that I behave like a moderator here?
Im not. Im saying act human.
Is this worth it ? really. You get butthurt online and this happens ? Really, now. Thats why I said I'm not trying to prove anyone wrong. I dont care who is wrong. I just think you are being childish, and fail to realize that TM has a real life stake in this and doesnt deserve his real life to be sabotaged because of internet drama.
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I just want one thing to be clear, I accept full responsibility for the whole thing starting up on I2. However I will not recant any of my statements regarding my concerns on how he is suspicious and strongly related to an organisation like Autism Speaks and seems to act as their mouthpiece. Also, I did say some of the things on WP where he had an opportunity to defend them, as well as contributed to getting people to see his inconsistences. That I2 thread was more of me shit stirring and beating the war drums.
But yes, a line got cross into an uncomfortably dangerous territory, so naturally I backed off somewhat.
But thank you Eris, I think I really needed that slap to the face. EDIT: I was being sincere saying that by the way.
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You mean you did not post several times of AFF policy of what you had to do becase someone actually did this before ?
Also, I agree you do not have a responsibility to be a mod here. Thats why it is so silly when you keep flip-flopping your "official" position on this.
Yes, I posted what the AFF policy is as a contrast to the procedure, or rather lack thereof, that WP has for dealing which such threats.
I'd like some elaboration on what I'm flip-flopping on.
If you agree that I am under no obligation to behave like a moderator here, then why are you insisting that I behave like a moderator here?
Im not. Im saying act human.
Is this worth it ? really. You get butthurt online and this happens ? Really, now. Thats why I said I'm not trying to prove anyone wrong. I dont care who is wrong. I just think you are being childish, and fail to realize that TM has a real life stake in this and doesnt deserve his real life to be sabotaged because of internet drama.
And what happens if it's a serious threat and he kills himself? Would that not constitute a real life stake?
If he's not serious, then he needs to learn that that is not a threat is not to be fucking toyed with. I defy you to disagree with that, I really do.
I'll repeat what my general motif has been throughout this debate;
Suicide Threats should ALWAYS be treated as though they are 100% serious, even if you don't think they are, just in case.
If they are just doing it for attention or to manipulate, then it's a self-resolving issue, because the Emergency Services will still take them away to the funny farm (where life is beautiful all the time) and they'll get such a bollocking that they're likely to never to do it again. Also, psych wards are fucking scary places, seriously.
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and if you think it is serious , call the police in private
the way you handled it publicly, away from the website it originated from, gossiping on how to take him down, makes you look very very bad.
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and if you think it is serious , call the police in private
the way you handled it publicly, away from the website it originated from, gossiping on how to take him down, makes you look very very bad.
Not my gaff, I can't do a thing but advocate that it be taken seriously.
I do as much as I can publicly because I have always banged on about openness and transparency.
I cannot do anything on the site it originates from because he has the ear of the admin; Furthermore, he's already entrenched me as some sort of bad guy. Anything I do or say there will be taken as an attack, regardless of my intent, so why bother? Additionally, there are staff from all the major AS sites here, including the relevant one, and speaking directly to them is much more effective in advocating a course of action. I disagree with the action taken, but it's their gaff, not mine.
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My personal bias in this is that I have a soul,
Putting aside the fact that you cannot prove that you have a soul, should I infer that those who don't like Tambo Man lack souls?
and am human.
So are those you have called out.
Im saying act human.
He is acting human. Danny Thomas was acting human when he founded St Judes, King Leopold was acting human in administering the Belgian Congo in the 1920s. Please be more precise. Human nature is multi faceted.
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IF anyone seriously thought he was going to kill themselves, and they gossiped instead of calling the authorities then they should re-evaluate their own motives for their concern.
Cause the " I was genuinely concerned" shit goes out the window when it turns into a public gossip session.
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IF anyone seriously thought he was going to kill themselves, and they gossiped instead of calling the authorities then they should re-evaluate their own motives for their concern.
Cause the " I was genuinely concerned" shit goes out the window when it turns into a public gossip session.
"Hello Police, Yes, I'd like to report a suicide threat. No, I don't have the IP it was made from. Well, no, it wasn't made to me. What's my connection to this? Well, I run this website and somebody I banned has gone on to another website and made a suicide threat. How did I hear about it? Well, they made it to somebody on that forum who posted it on ANOTHER forum. Where are they...? ...America, somewhere? Hello? ...Hello?"
Not my gaff, I can't do a goddamned thing. I don't have the address it was made from, I don't have the time, I don't even have the original threat. It's up to the WP staff, and they've acted.
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My personal bias in this is that I have a soul,
Putting aside the fact that you cannot prove that you have a soul, should I infer that those who don't like Tambo Man lack souls?
Its not about liking him. If they seriously thinks he is suicidal, yet come here to gossip on how to bring him down, then I think they seriously lack marbles.
and am human.
So are those you have called out.
Of course they are, thats why I'm not going to encourage their suicide or call the police on them for internet drama.
Im saying act human.
He is acting human. Danny Thomas was acting human when he founded St Judes, King Leopold was acting human in administering the Belgian Congo in the 1920s. Please be more precise. Human nature is multi faceted.
How about this, act honorable.
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IF anyone seriously thought he was going to kill themselves, and they gossiped instead of calling the authorities then they should re-evaluate their own motives for their concern.
Cause the " I was genuinely concerned" shit goes out the window when it turns into a public gossip session.
"Hello Police, Yes, I'd like to report a suicide threat. No, I don't have the IP it was made from. Well, no, it wasn't made to me. What's my connection to this? Well, I run this website and somebody I banned has gone on to another website and made a suicide threat. How did I hear about it? Well, they made it to somebody on that forum who posted it on ANOTHER forum. Where are they...? ...America, somewhere? Hello? ...Hello?"
Not my gaff, I can't do a goddamned thing. I don't have the address it was made from, I don't have the time, I don't even have the original threat. It's up to the WP staff, ad they've acted.
Hey, you are the one that went on and on about reporting him to the authorities and you are the one who went on an on about how that it is your job to do so. Either you should, or you shouldnt, you need to make up your own mind about that. Thats not my beef.
Coming here and acting like a twat was your own decision and independent of what the police would do.
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you can argue that you are a mod and have responsibility to react, or you can argue you are just a member and not required to act as a mod. not both.
I don't see why only mods have some moral responsibility to act. Anyone with enough information to help the person could feel moral responsibility and act on it, IMO.
I was curious if this possibly suicidal person was already a member here, perhaps under another name.
If this guy said that he was suicidal only as a means to gain sympathy and win some internet argument, then that's low because he had to know that many people take suicide threats like that very seriously. If the authorities were alerted and he got into some trouble if it turned out to be a hoax he perpetrated, then wouldn't that responsibility be on him for lying about suicide in the first place?
I do not think they really should have a moral responsibility to act as a moderator. That was Pikajedi's position, that as a mod it was his job.
I do not think the police would do anything really either, but it was skyblue that said he already contacted the authorities and is waiting for an arrest warrant.
And that why why I got involved. This is no longer an internet drama, people are messing with his life.
I think that the chances of Skyblue1 getting an arrest warrant for someone threatening suicide in an internet message board PM are extremely remote, particularly since the person does not even live in the same city as he does.
If by some miracle he got one, the warrant would only be valid where Skyblue1 lives.
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IF anyone seriously thought he was going to kill themselves, and they gossiped instead of calling the authorities then they should re-evaluate their own motives for their concern.
Cause the " I was genuinely concerned" shit goes out the window when it turns into a public gossip session.
"Hello Police, Yes, I'd like to report a suicide threat. No, I don't have the IP it was made from. Well, no, it wasn't made to me. What's my connection to this? Well, I run this website and somebody I banned has gone on to another website and made a suicide threat. How did I hear about it? Well, they made it to somebody on that forum who posted it on ANOTHER forum. Where are they...? ...America, somewhere? Hello? ...Hello?"
Not my gaff, I can't do a goddamned thing. I don't have the address it was made from, I don't have the time, I don't even have the original threat. It's up to the WP staff, ad they've acted.
Hey, you are the one that went on and on about reporting him to the authorities and you are the one who went on an on about how that it is your job to do so. Either you should, or you shouldnt, you need to make up your own mind about that. Thats not my beef.
Coming here and acting like a twat was your own decision and independent of what the police would do.
...I think you've misunderstood me. I said that it should be treated as if it was a real threat, because for all we know it may well be.
I did not say it was my job to do so, because it didn't happen on my forum. Stop moving the goddamned goalposts.
If it had happened on AFF, I would have reported him to his local authorities within half an hour of finding out about it. It happened on WP, so there is nothing I can do but advocate that it be taken seriously, as I have been repeating ad naseum for the past few hours.
Also, no need to make it personal. Oh, and I'm still waiting on a clarification on what precisely I'm flip-flopping on.
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you can argue that you are a mod and have responsibility to react, or you can argue you are just a member and not required to act as a mod. not both.
I don't see why only mods have some moral responsibility to act. Anyone with enough information to help the person could feel moral responsibility and act on it, IMO.
I was curious if this possibly suicidal person was already a member here, perhaps under another name.
If this guy said that he was suicidal only as a means to gain sympathy and win some internet argument, then that's low because he had to know that many people take suicide threats like that very seriously. If the authorities were alerted and he got into some trouble if it turned out to be a hoax he perpetrated, then wouldn't that responsibility be on him for lying about suicide in the first place?
I do not think they really should have a moral responsibility to act as a moderator. That was Pikajedi's position, that as a mod it was his job.
I do not think the police would do anything really either, but it was skyblue that said he already contacted the authorities and is waiting for an arrest warrant.
And that why why I got involved. This is no longer an internet drama, people are messing with his life.
I think that the chances of Skyblue1 getting an arrest warrant for someone threatening suicide in an internet message board PM are extremely remote, particularly since the person does not even live in the same city as he does.
If by some miracle he got one, the warrant would only be valid where Skyblue1 lives.
I think what would probably happen, is that the prosecutor from skybleus state would contact Tm's local authorities to warn them someone is going to commit suicide. I think they might even be legally obligated to do so. Lots of people threaten suicide, usually because they feel that way at the time. I dont think any judge would prosecute that.
The point is, it should not have happened. No one should have messed with his IRL info. And to get THIS MAD at someone because they threatened suicide is just cold. He probably had a weak moment, and sure is paying for it now.
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IF anyone seriously thought he was going to kill themselves, and they gossiped instead of calling the authorities then they should re-evaluate their own motives for their concern.
Cause the " I was genuinely concerned" shit goes out the window when it turns into a public gossip session.
"Hello Police, Yes, I'd like to report a suicide threat. No, I don't have the IP it was made from. Well, no, it wasn't made to me. What's my connection to this? Well, I run this website and somebody I banned has gone on to another website and made a suicide threat. How did I hear about it? Well, they made it to somebody on that forum who posted it on ANOTHER forum. Where are they...? ...America, somewhere? Hello? ...Hello?"
Not my gaff, I can't do a goddamned thing. I don't have the address it was made from, I don't have the time, I don't even have the original threat. It's up to the WP staff, ad they've acted.
Hey, you are the one that went on and on about reporting him to the authorities and you are the one who went on an on about how that it is your job to do so. Either you should, or you shouldnt, you need to make up your own mind about that. Thats not my beef.
Coming here and acting like a twat was your own decision and independent of what the police would do.
...I think you've misunderstood me. I said that it should be treated as if it was a real threat, because for all we know it may well be.
I did not say it was my job to do so, because it didn't happen on my forum. Stop moving the goddamned goalposts.
If it had happened on AFF, I would have reported him to his local authorities within half an hour of finding out about it. It happened on WP, so there is nothing I can do but advocate that it be taken seriously, as I have been repeating ad naseum for the past few hours.
Also, no need to make it personal. Oh, and I'm still waiting on a clarification on what precisely I'm flip-flopping on.
I dont see how I already didnt answer all of that thoroughly. I never once stated someone should call the police or have an obligation to. You are the one talking about that and in fact whenever i try to talk to you about the issue, you bring the subject of the police back into it. . I am merely asking you to take a step back, and realize this is not longer "just the internet" and to back the fuck off.
You are flip-flopping, going back and forth about contacting the authorities , and back and forth on taking a position from a mods point of view, and as a users point of view.
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IF anyone seriously thought he was going to kill themselves, and they gossiped instead of calling the authorities then they should re-evaluate their own motives for their concern.
Cause the " I was genuinely concerned" shit goes out the window when it turns into a public gossip session.
"Hello Police, Yes, I'd like to report a suicide threat. No, I don't have the IP it was made from. Well, no, it wasn't made to me. What's my connection to this? Well, I run this website and somebody I banned has gone on to another website and made a suicide threat. How did I hear about it? Well, they made it to somebody on that forum who posted it on ANOTHER forum. Where are they...? ...America, somewhere? Hello? ...Hello?"
Not my gaff, I can't do a goddamned thing. I don't have the address it was made from, I don't have the time, I don't even have the original threat. It's up to the WP staff, ad they've acted.
Hey, you are the one that went on and on about reporting him to the authorities and you are the one who went on an on about how that it is your job to do so. Either you should, or you shouldnt, you need to make up your own mind about that. Thats not my beef.
Coming here and acting like a twat was your own decision and independent of what the police would do.
...I think you've misunderstood me. I said that it should be treated as if it was a real threat, because for all we know it may well be.
I did not say it was my job to do so, because it didn't happen on my forum. Stop moving the goddamned goalposts.
If it had happened on AFF, I would have reported him to his local authorities within half an hour of finding out about it. It happened on WP, so there is nothing I can do but advocate that it be taken seriously, as I have been repeating ad naseum for the past few hours.
Also, no need to make it personal. Oh, and I'm still waiting on a clarification on what precisely I'm flip-flopping on.
I dont see how I already didnt answer all of that thoroughly. I never once stated someone should call the police or have an obligation to. You are the one talking about that and in fact whenever i try to talk to you about the issue, you bring the subject of the police back into it. . I am merely asking you to take a step back, and realize this is not longer "just the internet" and to back the fuck off.
You are flip-flopping, going back and forth about contacting the authorities , and back and forth on taking a position from a mods point of view, and as a users point of view.
I don't see that. I saw Pikajedi say that if the suicide threat had happened on AFF instead of WP, the police would have been notified within half an hour and some additional steps would have been taken so the person couldn't construe any possible responses to the thread as encouragement to go ahead and kill himself before the police could stop him.
He said what would have happened on AFF in response to someone saying that Alex had gotten legal advice in the wake of the Will Freund murder/suicide telling him not to respond to suicide threats on WP in any way at all.
Pikajedi also said not to do it when someone said something about publicly confronting the person threatening suicide because that might have the effect of encouraging him to go ahead and kill himself if he were inclined to do it.
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And Ive said 5 times this isnt about the police. He keeps making it about the police. I think that is a personal decision if to call them to make and there is no wrong answer. Im not even going to reply to anything again about calling the police. I've stated my position on that enough.
The point of this whole thing, is that it's a shitty thing to plot against someone on a different website. and cause irl problems for them. Especially if they are suicidal.
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IF anyone seriously thought he was going to kill themselves, and they gossiped instead of calling the authorities then they should re-evaluate their own motives for their concern.
Cause the " I was genuinely concerned" shit goes out the window when it turns into a public gossip session.
"Hello Police, Yes, I'd like to report a suicide threat. No, I don't have the IP it was made from. Well, no, it wasn't made to me. What's my connection to this? Well, I run this website and somebody I banned has gone on to another website and made a suicide threat. How did I hear about it? Well, they made it to somebody on that forum who posted it on ANOTHER forum. Where are they...? ...America, somewhere? Hello? ...Hello?"
Not my gaff, I can't do a goddamned thing. I don't have the address it was made from, I don't have the time, I don't even have the original threat. It's up to the WP staff, ad they've acted.
Hey, you are the one that went on and on about reporting him to the authorities and you are the one who went on an on about how that it is your job to do so. Either you should, or you shouldnt, you need to make up your own mind about that. Thats not my beef.
Coming here and acting like a twat was your own decision and independent of what the police would do.
...I think you've misunderstood me. I said that it should be treated as if it was a real threat, because for all we know it may well be.
I did not say it was my job to do so, because it didn't happen on my forum. Stop moving the goddamned goalposts.
If it had happened on AFF, I would have reported him to his local authorities within half an hour of finding out about it. It happened on WP, so there is nothing I can do but advocate that it be taken seriously, as I have been repeating ad naseum for the past few hours.
Also, no need to make it personal. Oh, and I'm still waiting on a clarification on what precisely I'm flip-flopping on.
I dont see how I already didnt answer all of that thoroughly. I never once stated someone should call the police or have an obligation to. You are the one talking about that and in fact whenever i try to talk to you about the issue, you bring the subject of the police back into it. . I am merely asking you to take a step back, and realize this is not longer "just the internet" and to back the fuck off.
You are flip-flopping, going back and forth about contacting the authorities , and back and forth on taking a position from a mods point of view, and as a users point of view.
My whole point is that it's not "just the internet". Suicide threats must be taken seriously precisely because they are not just Internet. Again, I've dealt with actual, serious threats of suicide, and perhaps that skews my perspective on it.
I have both a moderators point of view, and a users point of view. If you've never moderated a large site, I don't think you'll understand the mental separation you need to make, ad it's actually quite a hard one to maintain.
...Callaway has what I've said down.
I've not said Police at any time - I've said HEALTH authorities.
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This is the US, if you contact the "health authorities" about suicide they call the police.
If you need to make a mental separation, thats fine. But then dont come and unload it here. Cause people are reading.
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Im made my point clear, and see no point in continuing to repeat myself. Am done here.
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IF anyone seriously thought he was going to kill themselves, and they gossiped instead of calling the authorities then they should re-evaluate their own motives for their concern.
Cause the " I was genuinely concerned" shit goes out the window when it turns into a public gossip session.
"Hello Police, Yes, I'd like to report a suicide threat. No, I don't have the IP it was made from. Well, no, it wasn't made to me. What's my connection to this? Well, I run this website and somebody I banned has gone on to another website and made a suicide threat. How did I hear about it? Well, they made it to somebody on that forum who posted it on ANOTHER forum. Where are they...? ...America, somewhere? Hello? ...Hello?"
Not my gaff, I can't do a goddamned thing. I don't have the address it was made from, I don't have the time, I don't even have the original threat. It's up to the WP staff, ad they've acted.
Hey, you are the one that went on and on about reporting him to the authorities and you are the one who went on an on about how that it is your job to do so. Either you should, or you shouldnt, you need to make up your own mind about that. Thats not my beef.
Coming here and acting like a twat was your own decision and independent of what the police would do.
...I think you've misunderstood me. I said that it should be treated as if it was a real threat, because for all we know it may well be.
I did not say it was my job to do so, because it didn't happen on my forum. Stop moving the goddamned goalposts.
If it had happened on AFF, I would have reported him to his local authorities within half an hour of finding out about it. It happened on WP, so there is nothing I can do but advocate that it be taken seriously, as I have been repeating ad naseum for the past few hours.
Also, no need to make it personal. Oh, and I'm still waiting on a clarification on what precisely I'm flip-flopping on.
I dont see how I already didnt answer all of that thoroughly. I never once stated someone should call the police or have an obligation to. You are the one talking about that and in fact whenever i try to talk to you about the issue, you bring the subject of the police back into it. . I am merely asking you to take a step back, and realize this is not longer "just the internet" and to back the fuck off.
You are flip-flopping, going back and forth about contacting the authorities , and back and forth on taking a position from a mods point of view, and as a users point of view.
My whole point is that it's not "just the internet". Suicide threats must be taken seriously precisely because they are not just Internet. Again, I've dealt with actual, serious threats of suicide, and perhaps that skews my perspective on it.
I have both a moderators point of view, and a users point of view. If you've never moderated a large site, I don't think you'll understand the mental separation you need to make, ad it's actually quite a hard one to maintain.
...Callaway has it.
I've not said Police at any time - I've said HEALTH authorities.
I think that people who have had to actually deal with suicide threats before may have a different perspective than people who haven't.
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Ok, I've calmed down to the point that I can say this. Suicide threats should always be taken seriously and I believe Pikajedi has done so and did the right thing. BUT, as my psycho cunt ex-girlfriend found out, fake suicide threats deserve no mercy. She got hauled off to jail and the psych eval ward after. Her parents are now so furious at the public humiliation and the revelations of this past behavior that they have nearly cut her off any further assistance. Her "friends" who ostracized me for leaving her are now eating crow. In short she is getting what she deserves. And that is what people who use suicide threats for manipulation should get....humiliated. The thing is, she (my ex) may do it again, she's that stupid and sick. And what may happen is that when somebody else makes a suicide threat that IS for real, they may NOT be taken seriously. Remember the story of the boy who cried..."WOLF".
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...Callaway has it.
I think that people who have had to actually deal with suicide threats before may have a different perspective than people who haven't.
I agree. I've had almost this exact argument on AFF before, when certain members disagreed with our policy of "call the fucking cops". Until you've had that responsibility and that much consequence hanging over you, I don't think you can understand.
It's like the mental separation I find myself having to make between Moderator Pikajedi and Forum User Pikajedi; until you've moderated, most people will not understand the need for it, nor how rat bastard HARD it is.
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IF anyone seriously thought he was going to kill themselves, and they gossiped instead of calling the authorities then they should re-evaluate their own motives for their concern.
Cause the " I was genuinely concerned" shit goes out the window when it turns into a public gossip session.
"Hello Police, Yes, I'd like to report a suicide threat. No, I don't have the IP it was made from. Well, no, it wasn't made to me. What's my connection to this? Well, I run this website and somebody I banned has gone on to another website and made a suicide threat. How did I hear about it? Well, they made it to somebody on that forum who posted it on ANOTHER forum. Where are they...? ...America, somewhere? Hello? ...Hello?"
Not my gaff, I can't do a goddamned thing. I don't have the address it was made from, I don't have the time, I don't even have the original threat. It's up to the WP staff, ad they've acted.
Hey, you are the one that went on and on about reporting him to the authorities and you are the one who went on an on about how that it is your job to do so. Either you should, or you shouldnt, you need to make up your own mind about that. Thats not my beef.
Coming here and acting like a twat was your own decision and independent of what the police would do.
...I think you've misunderstood me. I said that it should be treated as if it was a real threat, because for all we know it may well be.
I did not say it was my job to do so, because it didn't happen on my forum. Stop moving the goddamned goalposts.
If it had happened on AFF, I would have reported him to his local authorities within half an hour of finding out about it. It happened on WP, so there is nothing I can do but advocate that it be taken seriously, as I have been repeating ad naseum for the past few hours.
Also, no need to make it personal. Oh, and I'm still waiting on a clarification on what precisely I'm flip-flopping on.
I dont see how I already didnt answer all of that thoroughly. I never once stated someone should call the police or have an obligation to. You are the one talking about that and in fact whenever i try to talk to you about the issue, you bring the subject of the police back into it. . I am merely asking you to take a step back, and realize this is not longer "just the internet" and to back the fuck off.
You are flip-flopping, going back and forth about contacting the authorities , and back and forth on taking a position from a mods point of view, and as a users point of view.
My whole point is that it's not "just the internet". Suicide threats must be taken seriously precisely because they are not just Internet. Again, I've dealt with actual, serious threats of suicide, and perhaps that skews my perspective on it.
I have both a moderators point of view, and a users point of view. If you've never moderated a large site, I don't think you'll understand the mental separation you need to make, ad it's actually quite a hard one to maintain.
...Callaway has it.
I've not said Police at any time - I've said HEALTH authorities.
I think that people who have had to actually deal with suicide threats before may have a different perspective than people who haven't.
You have no fucking idea! :facepalm2: QFT
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Actually, my primary complaint is with Skyblue, but I think you are acting petty and should be more professional since that is your role. I am sure it is not AFF's policy to run to I2 and complain about stuff.
I gave my professional opinion and defended it; For what it's worth, I've yet to see anybody with actual experience in these situations disagree with it.
Petty in what regard?
I may be an admin of AFF, but that does not mean I have to always wear my modhat, and I would argue that expecting me to do so is, to use your own words, petty. If I say something at AFF, it's official, carries weight and is often considered policy. If I say something here, it's just another voice in the madness.
Psychophant, I'd also like to hear what you have to say.
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We appear to have some guests spectating.
My psychospoiledbratbitch-ex-girlfriend did it to me and we got to her house, cops, ambulance her parents, the works.....what did we find,......a drunken, LAUGHING cunt who was howling with laughter at her "clever" manipulation. She called me first, I called the the cops and the ambulance crew (I was off duty, but am back on duty since my injury--with restrictions), then her parents. Well, when the facts became known.....I was furious, she was always good at manipulating others and had pulled this before with her parents. This was the first time it was done with full public knowledge. Mommy and Daddy always covered for her. Now her parents were there with us and humiliated before all the town. Now I had told my girlfriend (the cop) about her past and what she had done to me and others. After this I felt no more compunctions about revealing her past behaviors to the cops and her parents. She put lives at risk for her ego and need of attention. I'm still furious and am seeing red as I write this. So I'll stop here and step out. Before I say any more. :M
Ok, I've calmed down to the point that I can say this. Suicide threats should always be taken seriously and I believe Pikajedi has done so and did the right thing. BUT, as my psycho cunt ex-girlfriend found out, fake suicide threats deserve no mercy. She got hauled off to jail and the psych eval ward after. Her parents are now so furious at the public humiliation and the revelations of this past behavior that they have nearly cut her off any further assistance. Her "friends" who ostracized me for leaving her are now eating crow. In short she is getting what she deserves. And that is what people who use suicide threats for manipulation should get....humiliated. The thing is, she (my ex) may do it again, she's that stupid and sick. And what may happen is that when somebody else makes a suicide threat that IS for real, they may NOT be taken seriously. Remember the story of the boy who cried..."WOLF".
Thanks. I was just about to ask you what happened when the emergency responders arrived and found her treating the whole situation like it was a big joke.
I was hoping that at least she wound up getting evaluated anyway in case she really was serious and was just pretending that she had been "joking".
It's shocking that she had done this repeatedly in the past.
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Actually, my primary complaint is with Skyblue, but I think you are acting petty and should be more professional since that is your role. I am sure it is not AFF's policy to run to I2 and complain about stuff.
I gave my professional opinion and defended it; For what it's worth, I've yet to see anybody with actual experience in these situations disagree with it.
Petty in what regard?
I may be an admin of AFF, but that does not mean I have to always wear my modhat, and I would argue that expecting me to do so is, to use your own words, petty. If I say something at AFF, it's official, carries weight and is often considered policy. If I say something here, it's just another voice in the madness.
Psychophant, I'd also like to hear what you have to say.
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We appear to have some guests spectating.
My psychospoiledbratbitch-ex-girlfriend did it to me and we got to her house, cops, ambulance her parents, the works.....what did we find,......a drunken, LAUGHING cunt who was howling with laughter at her "clever" manipulation. She called me first, I called the the cops and the ambulance crew (I was off duty, but am back on duty since my injury--with restrictions), then her parents. Well, when the facts became known.....I was furious, she was always good at manipulating others and had pulled this before with her parents. This was the first time it was done with full public knowledge. Mommy and Daddy always covered for her. Now her parents were there with us and humiliated before all the town. Now I had told my girlfriend (the cop) about her past and what she had done to me and others. After this I felt no more compunctions about revealing her past behaviors to the cops and her parents. She put lives at risk for her ego and need of attention. I'm still furious and am seeing red as I write this. So I'll stop here and step out. Before I say any more. :M
Ok, I've calmed down to the point that I can say this. Suicide threats should always be taken seriously and I believe Pikajedi has done so and did the right thing. BUT, as my psycho cunt ex-girlfriend found out, fake suicide threats deserve no mercy. She got hauled off to jail and the psych eval ward after. Her parents are now so furious at the public humiliation and the revelations of this past behavior that they have nearly cut her off any further assistance. Her "friends" who ostracized me for leaving her are now eating crow. In short she is getting what she deserves. And that is what people who use suicide threats for manipulation should get....humiliated. The thing is, she (my ex) may do it again, she's that stupid and sick. And what may happen is that when somebody else makes a suicide threat that IS for real, they may NOT be taken seriously. Remember the story of the boy who cried..."WOLF".
Thanks. I was just about to ask you what happened when the emergency responders arrived and found her treating the whole situation like it was a big joke.
I was hoping that at least she wound up getting evaluated anyway in case she really was serious and was just pretending that she had been "joking".
It's shocking that she had done this repeatedly in the past.
Shocking? I'd say disgusting.
In the UK, that'd probably get you arrested for, I don't even know. There's probably a law, something like, "The Wow, What A Cock Act of 1889".
In seriousness, you'd still get sectioned.
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and when i say im done here, I mean I'm done posting here.
It's only a matter of time till someone would do this same thing to me, so, gonna split.
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Sigh, this just gets more and more confusing. Where's the links to the background of this? I could search but drama goes so quickly that I don't know where to start.
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and when i say im done here, I mean I'm done posting here.
It's only a matter of time till someone would do this same thing to me, so, gonna split.
What are you saying would happen to you if you continue to post here, that an admin might try to notify someone who possibly could help you if you threatened to kill yourself?
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Eris is going on like all the alleged plotting, bullying etc took place AFTER TM made his suicide threat, when it didn't.
I really don't care about his affiliation with Autism Speaks or any work he does for them. I highly doubt his own actions against AFF and his attention seeking on WP would be given the green light by his "employer" (if they did give him the green light that reflects on them more than him). If I was an Autism Speaks board member right now I'd see to it that he never gets to write in the AS blog ever again. Jack and Kirsten are affiliated with Autism Speaks as well but you don't see them carrying on with the same rubbish TM is to try and get publicity.
I don't know if the suicide threat is genuine or not. There was nothing anyone apart from Sky and the WP mods could do to help. V did his part with is colleagues. I think your main beef might just be with Sky. I raise an eyebrow at the fact he sent said threat to someone he knows dislikes him. If it was genuine and he followed through with it I would feel bad but not remorseful, because the reason he did it was because he couldn't stomach his own drama anymore and wanted an easy way out. The tragic result of a giant emotional meltdown he brang onto himself.
And before I get called a souless bitch or something, I've been in his exact position before. I know what it's like to have your suicide threats not taken seriously (I believe ONE person contemplated ringing an ambulance and that's it). I do know however that it was me myself that got myself into that mental mess. It was me and my own inability to emotionally handle things that made it culminate to that point.
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and when i say im done here, I mean I'm done posting here.
It's only a matter of time till someone would do this same thing to me, so, gonna split.
Srsly?? :zombiefuck:
You don't seem the type to leave in a huff. I mean, you've gone through some problems here, but you always seemed sensible enough to work things out. I just don't see you melting down. :dunno:
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and when i say im done here, I mean I'm done posting here.
It's only a matter of time till someone would do this same thing to me, so, gonna split.
Srsly?? :zombiefuck:
You don't seem the type to leave in a huff. I mean, you've gone through some problems here, but you always seemed sensible enough to work things out. I just don't see you melting down. :dunno:
She isn't. It's a rational decision.
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I don't think she's leaving in a huff. Seems she is concerned about the recent trend of bringing people's IRL details in the middle of internet drama. I don't blame her, and can understand. I had expressed concerns over that during the TCO drama.
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I don't think she's leaving in a huff. Seems she is concerned about the recent trend of bringing people's IRL details in the middle of internet drama. I don't blame her, and can understand. I had expressed concerns over that during the TCO drama.
TBH, the "dropping of docs" was kinda bad form. However, TM did kinda bring this all on himself. Go on an internet board and act like a drama queen, you WILL bring attention to yourself. You don't want attention? keep a low profile. Pretty simple actually. :dunno:
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I don't read the WP or AFF threads, I don't know the details of what is going on there. I just don't give a shit about all this inter-forum drama. It's fucking retarded.
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I don't read the WP or AFF threads, I don't know the details of what is going on there. I just don't give a shit about all this inter-forum drama. It's fucking retarded.
:indeed:
Tambourine-Man started all this crap and Prof. Farnsworth, Pika and Skyblue brought it over here.
I read it out of boredom and realized what cunt TM was. Although WP is a lost cause, it would've become a complete joke if TM had gotten away with his BS. It also would've hurt the AS community IRL by sucking even more people and money into the Autism Speaks/Wrong Planet "charity" racket.
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What was the reason for it to be brought over here? Couldn't it have been discussed on AFF?
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Tell me, what IS the fascination with you lot and WP/AFF? What part of your life is it affecting by their existence? Are they slowly cutting off your fingers? Are they killing your family? What? :S
They're shit forums that are full of retards and I have loved poking at them when I trolled in the past, but what makes them different to any other forum that's full of retards? Besides, isn't the entire Internet full of unbelievably fucking retarded pricks to begin with?
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Tell me, what IS the fascination with you lot and WP/AFF? What part of your life is it affecting by their existence? Are they slowly cutting off your fingers? Are they killing your family? What? :S
They're shit forums that are full of retards and I have loved poking at them when I trolled in the past, but what makes them different to any other forum that's full of retards? Besides, isn't the entire Internet full of unbelievably fucking retarded pricks to begin with?
It irks me that these people are conning people IRL.
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But are they conning you?
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and when i say im done here, I mean I'm done posting here.
It's only a matter of time till someone would do this same thing to me, so, gonna split.
I pm'ed eris to ask her to reconsider leaving. I did so because I like her, but OTOH I would rather she leave than say she is doing so and not follow through. Have a good life eris, I like you. :thumbup:
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:indeed:
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Sigh, this just gets more and more confusing. Where's the links to the background of this? I could search but drama goes so quickly that I don't know where to start.
:clap: :clap: :clap: me too.
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I think maybe you should clarify exactly who you are calling out if you want an answer , if this a vent / rant kind of post then nvm. :P
Is there a point in starting a peanut gallery or not?
I am calling out anyone involved. Specifically Professor, V, Pikajedi and Skyblue. They know this.
And anyone else who agrees with them.
All I've done is provide wp's moderator team point of view(something Mods are not allowed to do there for some reason) and contacted other mods about t-m´ s suicide theat(standard procedure there is to inform others and decide what's the best way to deal with it).
Ive made several posts explaining that Im not going to contact any kind of authority but you are free to believe whatever you choose to believe
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eris is a good person. she is also lively and makes
interesting posts. i don't want her to go. :'(
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^Stuff is all over the place. I don't know much about the history of TM and AFF. But he has been at WP for a few months and has been writing some stuff for Autism Speaks and gotten a lot of flak for that because some people absolutely hate Autism Speaks.
TM posted yesterday that he intends to take a break from the politics that are happening about this. He seems to be ok but still stressed out. He lives with his parents and brother (I think) so he has some support in rl. I think the break will do him good anyway.
As for his real name, that is in his signature on WP as part of a Facebook link.
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...Callaway has it.
I think that people who have had to actually deal with suicide threats before may have a different perspective than people who haven't.
I agree. I've had almost this exact argument on AFF before, when certain members disagreed with our policy of "call the fucking cops". Until you've had that responsibility and that much consequence hanging over you, I don't think you can understand.
It's like the mental separation I find myself having to make between Moderator Pikajedi and Forum User Pikajedi; until you've moderated, most people will not understand the need for it, nor how rat bastard HARD it is.
Agreed.
I'd also like to point out that even if you are a mod or an admin or whatever, and you have access to the IP numbers, tracking down a real person is hard. There are proxies, both the kind that is used to anonymise your presence online and those that ISPs can use that group users, and there is the fact that you very often d not know the person's real name.
Yet you feel responsible and know you need to act. You need to do something.
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and when i say im done here, I mean I'm done posting here.
It's only a matter of time till someone would do this same thing to me, so, gonna split.
I pm'ed eris to ask her to reconsider leaving. I did so because I like her, but OTOH I would rather she leave than say she is doing so and not follow through. Have a good life eris, I like you. :thumbup:
I like her too.
What I don't get about her decision is this: on any board you are bound to encounter people whose values you don't share, who you think are acting like cunts and who have the morals of <insert favourite comparison here>. You will never like those people, no matter what you do.
But should you really put an equal sign between those individuals and the whole board? I think that's more than a bit unfair.
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I totally agree with that. I think that is the best way to act. However, i also think after doing the right thing the next right thing would be to just suspend any quarrels you have until you are sure the person is mentally fit to continue. Maybe it is a false alarm. Maybe not. Only people who really know are the person in question and the medical staff.
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I totally agree with that. I think that is the best way to act. However, i also think after doing the right thing the next right thing would be to just suspend any quarrels you have until you are sure the person is mentally fit to continue. Maybe it is a false alarm. Maybe not. Only people who really know are the person in question and the medical staff.
That can happen on a moderated board. Here, it's more difficult.
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Actually, my primary complaint is with Skyblue, but I think you are acting petty and should be more professional since that is your role. I am sure it is not AFF's policy to run to I2 and complain about stuff.
I gave my professional opinion and defended it; For what it's worth, I've yet to see anybody with actual experience in these situations disagree with it.
Petty in what regard?
I may be an admin of AFF, but that does not mean I have to always wear my modhat, and I would argue that expecting me to do so is, to use your own words, petty. If I say something at AFF, it's official, carries weight and is often considered policy. If I say something here, it's just another voice in the madness.
Psychophant, I'd also like to hear what you have to say.
*edit*
We appear to have some guests spectating.
My psychospoiledbratbitch-ex-girlfriend did it to me and we got to her house, cops, ambulance her parents, the works.....what did we find,......a drunken, LAUGHING cunt who was howling with laughter at her "clever" manipulation. She called me first, I called the the cops and the ambulance crew (I was off duty, but am back on duty since my injury--with restrictions), then her parents. Well, when the facts became known.....I was furious, she was always good at manipulating others and had pulled this before with her parents. This was the first time it was done with full public knowledge. Mommy and Daddy always covered for her. Now her parents were there with us and humiliated before all the town. Now I had told my girlfriend (the cop) about her past and what she had done to me and others. After this I felt no more compunctions about revealing her past behaviors to the cops and her parents. She put lives at risk for her ego and need of attention. I'm still furious and am seeing red as I write this. So I'll stop here and step out. Before I say any more. :M
Ok, I've calmed down to the point that I can say this. Suicide threats should always be taken seriously and I believe Pikajedi has done so and did the right thing. BUT, as my psycho cunt ex-girlfriend found out, fake suicide threats deserve no mercy. She got hauled off to jail and the psych eval ward after. Her parents are now so furious at the public humiliation and the revelations of this past behavior that they have nearly cut her off any further assistance. Her "friends" who ostracized me for leaving her are now eating crow. In short she is getting what she deserves. And that is what people who use suicide threats for manipulation should get....humiliated. The thing is, she (my ex) may do it again, she's that stupid and sick. And what may happen is that when somebody else makes a suicide threat that IS for real, they may NOT be taken seriously. Remember the story of the boy who cried..."WOLF".
Thanks. I was just about to ask you what happened when the emergency responders arrived and found her treating the whole situation like it was a big joke.
I was hoping that at least she wound up getting evaluated anyway in case she really was serious and was just pretending that she had been "joking".
It's shocking that she had done this repeatedly in the past.
To clarify, in the past she would make these threats to her parents and me and we would rush to her side without calling anyone. She would have the pills and everything set up like she was just about to do it. This happened with me once, she's done it with her parents several times, but, they always did things hush hush. And, she did it to me before I became an emt. She wasn't expecting the whole crew to show up this time. But, she called me first, that was her mistake, I called my crew/911, and then called her parents. I had a long talk with her parents later, mom was a bit mad AT me for doing what I was trained to do, for dad this was the last straw. Mom eventually calmed down especially when public opinion gave mom a lot of sympathy. (Mom's a little bit loony as well.) Ex-girlfriend didn't laugh very long when they trundled her into the ambulance and rushed her to the ER. After getting checked, they bounced her to jail where she was given a choice (after sobering up) jail or psych evaluation and rehab. She chose psych care.
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and when i say im done here, I mean I'm done posting here.
It's only a matter of time till someone would do this same thing to me, so, gonna split.
I pm'ed eris to ask her to reconsider leaving. I did so because I like her, but OTOH I would rather she leave than say she is doing so and not follow through. Have a good life eris, I like you. :thumbup:
I do to. :thumbup:
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I try to understand all kinds of sides of the argument here.
I can see where Eris is coming from,
I can see where the remarks about other nasty stuff on here come from. Pandora is a good example here.
I can see where Pika is coming from.
The only thing I can't understand or get, no matter how hard I try, is what Skyblue's issue is. Why so vehement?
Why the need to get someone arrested? Why the need to post a pm like that on another board?
Yet, Skyblue seems to be gone from this whole call-out.
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I hope eris will reconsider.
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:agreed:
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She won't.
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Indeed :(
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No, I very much doubt she will.
I respect her decision, though. If she doesn't feel comfortable participating here, for whatever reason, she shouldn't.
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she told me someone pm'ed her a threat concerning her job.
if so, then whatever nerd-rage is going on is absolutely sickening.
i have no job. i wonder what i would be threatened with ::)
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she told me someone pm'ed her a threat concerning her job.
if so, then whatever nerd-rage is going on is absolutely sickening.
i have no job. i wonder what i would be threatened with ::)
Seriously? WTF? That's just fucking cowardly and wrong, and enough reason to sinbin the idiot.
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No, I very much doubt she will.
I respect her decision, though. If she doesn't feel comfortable participating here, for whatever reason, she shouldn't.
No offense Odeon , but you haven't been speaking to her as much as I have, trust me when I say , she isn't going to change her mind.
she told me someone pm'ed her a threat concerning her job.
if so, then whatever nerd-rage is going on is absolutely sickening.
i have no job. i wonder what i would be threatened with ::)
Ok now I'm officially pissed off.
Who the fuck threatened her? , grow some balls and fucking admit it.
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she told me someone pm'ed her a threat concerning her job.
if so, then whatever nerd-rage is going on is absolutely sickening.
i have no job. i wonder what i would be threatened with ::)
Seriously? WTF? That's just fucking cowardly and wrong, and enough reason to sinbin the idiot.
she mentioned it on an offline msn-message, that someone had pm-ed her about her job. i havent been able to inquire further about it.
im hoping that she misunderstood someone, and just got rattled by something not meant as such...
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she told me someone pm'ed her a threat concerning her job.
if so, then whatever nerd-rage is going on is absolutely sickening.
i have no job. i wonder what i would be threatened with ::)
Seriously? WTF? That's just fucking cowardly and wrong, and enough reason to sinbin the idiot.
she mentioned it on an offline msn-message, that someone had pm-ed her about her job. i havent been able to inquire further about it.
im hoping that she misunderstood someone, and just got rattled by something not meant as such...
Please ask her to forward you the PM.
Threats like that NEED to be exposed.
Or the coward that did so can come forward and admit it.
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I don't know the details but I'm wondering if a threat like that could violate our TOS.
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she told me someone pm'ed her a threat concerning her job.
if so, then whatever nerd-rage is going on is absolutely sickening.
i have no job. i wonder what i would be threatened with ::)
Seriously? WTF? That's just fucking cowardly and wrong, and enough reason to sinbin the idiot.
she mentioned it on an offline msn-message, that someone had pm-ed her about her job. i havent been able to inquire further about it.
im hoping that she misunderstood someone, and just got rattled by something not meant as such...
Please ask her to forward you the PM.
Threats like that NEED to be exposed.
Or the coward that did so can come forward and admit it.
Or she can forward the PM to an admin.
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she told me someone pm'ed her a threat concerning her job.
if so, then whatever nerd-rage is going on is absolutely sickening.
i have no job. i wonder what i would be threatened with ::)
Seriously? WTF? That's just fucking cowardly and wrong, and enough reason to sinbin the idiot.
she mentioned it on an offline msn-message, that someone had pm-ed her about her job. i havent been able to inquire further about it.
im hoping that she misunderstood someone, and just got rattled by something not meant as such...
Please ask her to forward you the PM.
Threats like that NEED to be exposed.
Or the coward that did so can come forward and admit it.
Or she can forward the PM to an admin.
That too.
I don't know the details but I'm wondering if a threat like that could violate our TOS.
Tbh I don't care if it violates TOS . anyone who pulls that kind of crap deserves to be banned.
Sorry if this sounds harsh but I am beyond pissed off and disgusted right now.
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I do care about the TOS because unless we want to change the way this board works, it's about the only way to handle something like this.
If we want a moderated board, then we can start acting when people behave like cunts within the TOS.
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yeah, it sounds odd. that she mentioned something as specific as her job. im still hoping that she has overreacted to something.
maybe someone wanted to flaunt their skills, and prove that they could pinpoint where she lives, and where she works, or something. i mean, it can be done with anybodys real name, but is still a pretty asshole-ish gesture to make.
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A threat to a member, because of her being a member here, is a threat to the site.
Someone able to chase a member away with RL threats is disrupting the site.
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I do care about the TOS because unless we want to change the way this board works, it's about the only way to handle something like this.
If we want a moderated board, then we can start acting when people behave like cunts within the TOS.
Ok fair enough.
IMO I think threatening to screw up someones IRL and then attempting it deserves a ban, I don't think that = a moderated ban more of just something deserved.
But on the other hand that could threaten the boards existence , if authorities were involved I'm wondering if they would question why a member harrassing another IRL was not dealt with by the board despite it being unmoderated.
Just a thought no idea if it's correct or not.
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A threat to a member, because of her being a member here, is a threat to the site.
Someone able to chase a member away with RL threats is disrupting the site.
:agreed: :plus:
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she told me someone pm'ed her a threat concerning her job.
if so, then whatever nerd-rage is going on is absolutely sickening.
i have no job. i wonder what i would be threatened with ::)
Seriously? WTF? That's just fucking cowardly and wrong, and enough reason to sinbin the idiot.
she mentioned it on an offline msn-message, that someone had pm-ed her about her job. i havent been able to inquire further about it.
im hoping that she misunderstood someone, and just got rattled by something not meant as such...
Please ask her to forward you the PM.
Threats like that NEED to be exposed.
Or the coward that did so can come forward and admit it.
Or she can forward the PM to an admin.
That too.
I don't know the details but I'm wondering if a threat like that could violate our TOS.
Tbh I don't care if it violates TOS . anyone who pulls that kind of crap deserves to be banned.
Sorry if this sounds harsh but I am beyond pissed off and disgusted right now.
Every PM has a "Report to Admin" button. If you click it, you can choose whether or not to send it to all of us. If you send a report, a copy of the PM will also be sent. I just checked it by reporting one of my PMs to myself.
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I'm pretty sure a threat via PM is against the TOS. I'm also fairly sure that, if notified about it, we must act unless we want to risk our host shutting us down.
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And, if TOS isn't against that, then I2 may now become a magnet for creeps who find out they have free range stalking and threatening people IRL.
So, even if TOS isn't against that, maybe this needs to be a site rule, to ensure the safety of the site and it's members.
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They would certainly be threatening the site itself by proxy, if our host was told.
We reserve the right to refuse service to anyone. Any material that, in our judgment, is obscene, threatening, illegal, or violates our terms of service in any manner may be removed from our servers (or otherwise disabled), with or without notice.
Failure to respond to email from our abuse department within 48 hours may result in the suspension or termination of your services. All abuse issues must be dealt with via troubleticket/email and will have a response within 48 hours.
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It's a shame eris has to be the example to clarify this question from the peanut thread.
Goodbye, eris.
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I try to understand all kinds of sides of the argument here.
I can see where Eris is coming from,
I can see where the remarks about other nasty stuff on here come from. Pandora is a good example here.
I can see where Pika is coming from.
The only thing I can't understand or get, no matter how hard I try, is what Skyblue's issue is. Why so vehement?
Why the need to get someone arrested? Why the need to post a pm like that on another board?
Yet, Skyblue seems to be gone from this whole call-out.
Actually, the blue one is the one I understand the most. He's the one who received pm. That would have irked me too, and might have reacted differntly, though have no idea how.
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As far as I am concerned, this board is getting what it deserves. It would be really amusing if I2 were to dissolve on its own. :zoinks:
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As far as I am concerned, this board is getting what it deserves. It would be really amusing if I2 were to dissolve on its own. :zoinks:
there are good people on this board. All the time good and sometime good (not saying which category I'm in.) We'd miss it.
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As far as I am concerned, this board is getting what it deserves. It would be really amusing if I2 were to dissolve on its own. :zoinks:
Maybe I2 would be amused if you dissolved on your own :P
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As far as I am concerned, this board is getting what it deserves.
What is this board getting?
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As far as I am concerned, this board is getting what it deserves. It would be really amusing if I2 were to dissolve on its own. :zoinks:
Did snookums get his feewings hurted? :'(
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As far as I am concerned, this board is getting what it deserves. It would be really amusing if I2 were to dissolve on its own. :zoinks:
There are several aspie boards that are pretty similar to each other. This one is the one that offers some sort of different experience and you´d like it to disappear?.
This doesnt make much sense. Are you a supporter of Plank or something :orly:?
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As far as I am concerned, this board is getting what it deserves. It would be really amusing if I2 were to dissolve on its own. :zoinks:
There are several aspie boards that are pretty similar to each other. This one is the one that offers some sort of different experience and you´d like it to disappear?.
This doesnt make much sense. Are you a supporter of Plank or something :orly:?
He is a butthurt angry cunt.
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she told me someone pm'ed her a threat concerning her job.
if so, then whatever nerd-rage is going on is absolutely sickening.
i have no job. i wonder what i would be threatened with ::)
Seriously? WTF? That's just fucking cowardly and wrong, and enough reason to sinbin the idiot.
she mentioned it on an offline msn-message, that someone had pm-ed her about her job. i havent been able to inquire further about it.
im hoping that she misunderstood someone, and just got rattled by something not meant as such...
Please ask her to forward you the PM.
Threats like that NEED to be exposed.
Or the coward that did so can come forward and admit it.
Or she can forward the PM to an admin.
Jump on them from a great hight. That shit is ...that's going too far.
cue accusations of hypocrisy in 5, 4, 3...
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As far as I am concerned, this board is getting what it deserves. It would be really amusing if I2 were to dissolve on its own. :zoinks:
Talk about someone on this board who needs to get laid. :rofl:
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Did Pentagram make the threat?
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Did Pentagram make the threat?
As much as I dislike the twat I doubt that he did.
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Did Pentagram make the threat?
:lol:
No. He just made a dumb comment :laugh:
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It's obviously someone who she talks to often. Can't really think of anyone else on here who she's friends with/was friends with who would be volatile/vengeful enough to do that.
Pea and Shleed's past behaviour towards me comes to mind.
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Did Pentagram make the threat?
:lol:
No. He just made a dumb comment :laugh:
It would make sense though :tinfoil:
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Sorry, but people shouldn't be telling strangers on the internet where they work. If someone just found out on their own, that would be a different situation.
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she told me someone pm'ed her a threat concerning her job.
if so, then whatever nerd-rage is going on is absolutely sickening.
i have no job. i wonder what i would be threatened with ::)
Seriously? WTF? That's just fucking cowardly and wrong, and enough reason to sinbin the idiot.
More then sinbinned, banned!
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I think Schleed made the threat. Who else on here could do such a thing? :orly:
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Look I'm not going to say who it was at Eris's discretion I can tell you that it was not:
-Pentagam
-Schleed
-Pea guy
The person who did it knows who he is , and I'm going to say right now I think he is pure scum.
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Look I'm not going to say who it was at Eris's discretion I can tell you that it was not:
-Pentagam
-Schleed
-Pea guy
The person who did it knows who he is , and I'm going to say right now I think he is pure scum.
Yep. Scum floats on top of water. :thumbup:
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Look I'm not going to say who it was at Eris's discretion I can tell you that it was not:
-Pentagam
-Schleed
-Pea guy
The person who did it knows who he is , and I'm going to say right now I think he is pure scum.
Pure shit, you mean! :poop:
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I think that person should be banned.
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Your posts are all fours.
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I think that person should be banned.
:agreed: Fucking POS like that is lower than snake fart in a ditch.
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I think that person should be banned.
:agreed: Fucking POS like that is lower than snake fart in a ditch.
:LMAO: :plus:
You do come out with some awesome expressions. :laugh:
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I think Schleed made the threat. Who else on here could do such a thing? :orly:
Maybe I did, but then again I wouldn't have gotten a goodbye PM. :orly:
Pea and Shleed's past behaviour towards me comes to mind.
How the fuck does it have to do with threatening someone's life? I don't think I said I wanted to kill you. I think. ::)
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Has someone's life been threatened?
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I picked it up wrong, disregard. She cleared it up for me.
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Oh, okay.
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As far as I am concerned, this board is getting what it deserves. It would be really amusing if I2 were to dissolve on its own. :zoinks:
Why are you here if you think this board should dissolve? Want a board to go away? Stop posting there.
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Dook, I'm pretty sure i2 dissolved at least 2-3 times already over drama. I don't think it's going to die that easily.
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she told me someone pm'ed her a threat concerning her job.
if so, then whatever nerd-rage is going on is absolutely sickening.
i have no job. i wonder what i would be threatened with ::)
Seriously? WTF? That's just fucking cowardly and wrong, and enough reason to sinbin the idiot.
More then sinbinned, banned!
Yes, that is probably the best course of action, considering that such a threat does violate the TOS and put the site at risk.
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Suicide threats have to be taken seriously, however dubious. Same with death threats.
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Suicide threats have to be taken seriously, however dubious. Same with death threats.
Yes, agreed.
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Sorry, but people shouldn't be telling strangers on the internet where they work. If someone just found out on their own, that would be a different situation.
I recall eris mentioning what she does, but not where she works. In any case it does not excuse being the type of amoral fucktard that would threaten a persons ability to make a living based on a disagreement. Furthermore I prefer not to have such a degenerate as a member here.
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Sorry, but people shouldn't be telling strangers on the internet where they work. If someone just found out on their own, that would be a different situation.
I recall eris mentioning what she does, but not where she works. In any case it does not excuse being the type of amoral fucktard that would threaten a persons ability to make a living based on a disagreemant.
Agreed, it's a terrible thing to do, and haven't seen eris post about where she works either, though I don't read all her posts or know what's on facebook and things like that. Just have noticed that people who reveal too much online do tend to get attacked though, even if only verbally. Will admit that might not be the case here.
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Fucking hell...who would do that?
I just sent her a pm on facebook to see if she is ok.
I hope she is. eris was a cool member here. i really do like her and i wish she hadn't left. :'(
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Threatening someone's job is seriously not cool.
I think it's questionable whether that's a credible threat against the entire site, but I can see a case for it.
One thing I want though is to see the PM, to determine whether it was a real threat or a misunderstanding, before I would call for banning.
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He says there never was a pm and squid says she doesn't have it.
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Oh brother.
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she told me someone pm'ed her a threat concerning her job.
if so, then whatever nerd-rage is going on is absolutely sickening.
i have no job. i wonder what i would be threatened with ::)
What in the fuck? Who did this?! >:(
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Why does this whole Tambourine Man situation, in retrospect, look so much like the Duke Lacrosse "rape" case??
Eris was telling us to "believe the victim" even though many of us spotted a snake in the grass.
If someone tells a story of victimhood or suicide, and the story doesn't add up and the person telling the story has something to gain, they're trying to manipulate you.
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Why does this whole Tambourine Man situation, in retrospect, look so much like the Duke Lacrosse "rape" case??
Eris was telling us to "believe the victim" even though many of us spotted a snake in the grass.
If someone tells a story of victimhood or suicide, and the story doesn't add up and the person telling the story has something to gain, they're trying to manipulate you.
Funny we find out so long after the fact... :thumbdn:
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I've known her to be garbage for a long time.
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Why does this whole Tambourine Man situation, in retrospect, look so much like the Duke Lacrosse "rape" case??
Eris was telling us to "believe the victim" even though many of us spotted a snake in the grass.
Seemed she was more upset about people attempting to mess with him in real life, regardless of his authenticity. Have to agree, that's when the internet gets the most creepy.
If someone tells a story of victimhood or suicide, and the story doesn't add up and the person telling the story has something to gain, they're trying to manipulate you.
Tend to think a great deal of that type of thing is attention seeking and/or manipulative, but sometimes it isn't so probably best to react to it as if it's not.
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Why does this whole Tambourine Man situation, in retrospect, look so much like the Duke Lacrosse "rape" case??
Eris was telling us to "believe the victim" even though many of us spotted a snake in the grass.
If someone tells a story of victimhood or suicide, and the story doesn't add up and the person telling the story has something to gain, they're trying to manipulate you.
Funny we find out so long after the fact... :thumbdn:
What are we finding out?
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Why bring up "Tamgate"? -_-
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Why bring up "Tamgate"? -_-
those who fail to learn from history are doomed to repeat it.
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Why bring up "Tamgate"? -_-
those who fail to learn from history are doomed to repeat it.
Go on....
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Tambourine man won't be repeating any history any time soon.
He died last year.
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Tambourine man won't be repeating any history any time soon.
He died last year.
:orly:
What happened??
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I read that he had a seizure.
Not sure if that's code for "overdose".
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I read that he had a seizure.
Not sure if that's code for "overdose".
He was a fucking idiot. Well that is at least one person from AFF that I disagreed that you were not.
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Was he the one that went by the user name, "Buttcoffee"?
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Was he the one that went by the user name, "Buttcoffee"?
No, he was some egotistical Autistic dude that was pro-Autism Speaks. In itself neither here nor there but he was rather everyone had to jump on board
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Was he the one that went by the user name, "Buttcoffee"?
No, he was some egotistical Autistic dude that was pro-Autism Speaks. In itself neither here nor there but he was rather everyone had to jump on board
Ah, ok. Thanks!