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Start here => Free For ALL => Topic started by: bodie on September 25, 2014, 02:07:18 PM
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It is a bit scary. It is spreading.
I don't like it. [emoji33]
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Why don't you like it? :tard:
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They'd better do something about it now, while they still can.
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Reactions will speed up as soon as it gets to a 'white' country. ::)
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So very true. Unfortunately.
I do think that the situation is changing, but ebola is still seen as a West African problem, not something the big boys need to bother with.
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It is not always fatal, but highly contagious. If it hit a big city it would be like a plague.
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Just a reflection:
The first morning I spent in the US, I watched the news in the hotel lobby while drinking my morning coffee. CNN spent a lot of time reporting about the Ebola outbreak, but their focus was almost exclusively on the two US citizens who contracted the virus (and got an experimental drug, and survived). This was the day before the first of them landed in the US.
Pretty much all of the Ebola news coverage was about these two people. At the time, though, some 1,400 people had died, many or most of them even without a bed to sleep on.
I wonder what would happen if they were to mass-produce ZMapp and focus their efforts on saving the sick in Africa rather than just plan on sending troops.
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It is not always fatal, but highly contagious. If it hit a big city it would be like a plague.
In a city, sure, but Ebola is actually not all that contagious. Body contact involving bodily fluids is required.
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:o exchanging bodily fluids goes on enough. eeeww
Why do the healthworkers wear masks then, and did you see this, that Spanish priest?
(http://cfdc8b0de351c7c31b07-c99619fa06a92e3ddd2265393c7fb10c.r12.cf3.rackcdn.com/5495048-Spanish-Priest-With-Ebola-Virus-Returns-to-Spain.jpg)
that looks scary
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It is not transmitted through the air, that is what I meant. Bodily fluids, though, include sweat and spit, among other things.
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Bodily fluids, though, include sweat and spit, among other things.
That conjures up such a lovely mental image :zoinks:
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:o exchanging bodily fluids goes on enough. eeeww
Why do the healthworkers wear masks then, and did you see this, that Spanish priest?
(http://cfdc8b0de351c7c31b07-c99619fa06a92e3ddd2265393c7fb10c.r12.cf3.rackcdn.com/5495048-Spanish-Priest-With-Ebola-Virus-Returns-to-Spain.jpg)
that looks scary
Sweat, dribble, sneezing, coughing, it all is dangerous.
Lots of contamination is because of people taking care of someone they care about, dead or alive. Human reaction, caring, with bare hands.
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Much of it only happened because of cultural differences. They've aggressively driven away healthcare workers, FFS.
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It doesn't frighten me. The simple reason being that every time there's a new disease spreading in the world, the media blows it out of proportion and makes it look a hell of a lot worse than it actually is. They use fear tactics to get our attention.
Remember mad cow disease? Bird flu? Swine flu?
Where are they now?
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It doesn't frighten me. The simple reason being that every time there's a new disease spreading in the world, the media blows it out of proportion and makes it look a hell of a lot worse than it actually is. They use fear tactics to get our attention.
Remember mad cow disease? Bird flu? Swine flu?
Where are they now?
Mad cow disease led to very drastic, and needed reactions, to avoid it becoming massive. Otherwise it would have spread out of control, and there is no cure.
It changed thoughts about what to feed animals too.
The problem of Ebola is the fear that makes people shun healthcare, when they think they may be contaminated. And there is innate need in people to physically care for their loved ones. So, contamination goes on and on. Combine that with a social infrastructure that is not that clear cut. And ad more fear, so healthworkers get to be seen as the enemies.
It's a nasty thing. And a dangerous one. Not so much in the west. The west will quarantine far more effective. And there is better care here. In Africa it may evolve into a staying disease.
About the flu, there will be a big one, one day. Will happen, and there will be nothing we can do about it. The only thing that will help you then is a good physical start to begin with. So, getting scared about it will not help preventing. It's like rain, it will fall or not.
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It seems to be fear and fear alone that reluctantly persuades the wealthy counties of the world to send help. Not compassion. For these people are suffering.
I read somewhere there are 120 doctors for almost 4 million people in Liberia. Yet, International Aid has been just a trickle so far. I am sad if the reason is because these areas are deemed of low importance and the risk to us enlightened folk is low.
I hope the world takes notice, or i fear that 'low risk' may just bite us on the bum.
I also hope it happens before the ageing has beens of pop crawl out of the wood work to make another live aid song. Oh, please Mr Geldof don't do it. :zoinks:
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It's like people who complain their government doesn't provide enough hunger aide to Africa, but they don't personally provide any aide to Africa.
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Mad cow disease led to very drastic, and needed reactions, to avoid it becoming massive. Otherwise it would have spread out of control, and there is no cure.
It changed thoughts about what to feed animals too.
Yes, I remember seeing victims on the news. The advanced stages of the disease was horrible.
Appalling farm practices were outlawed.
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Been watching it since the beginning. Scary shit.
Going to get a lot worse before it gets better I think. :(
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It seems to be fear and fear alone that reluctantly persuades the wealthy counties of the world to send help. Not compassion. For these people are suffering.
I read somewhere there are 120 doctors for almost 4 million people in Liberia. Yet, International Aid has been just a trickle so far. I am sad if the reason is because these areas are deemed of low importance and the risk to us enlightened folk is low.
I hope the world takes notice, or i fear that 'low risk' may just bite us on the bum.
I also hope it happens before the ageing has beens of pop crawl out of the wood work to make another live aid song. Oh, please Mr Geldof don't do it. :zoinks:
Bob Geldof will save us all. :zoinks:
Most solutions have nothing to do with compassion. Humanity is overrated.
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It's like people who complain their government doesn't provide enough hunger aide to Africa, but they don't personally provide any aide to Africa.
An individual could easily be too poor to be able to provide anything, for anyone. Your point?
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Been watching it since the beginning. Scary shit.
Going to get a lot worse before it gets better I think. :(
Yup. Tens of thousands of people will have died before it's brought under control.
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Been watching it since the beginning. Scary shit.
Going to get a lot worse before it gets better I think. :(
Yup. Tens of thousands of people will have died before it's brought under control.
If it will get under control. There are chances it may become endemic in Africa.
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It seems to be fear and fear alone that reluctantly persuades the wealthy counties of the world to send help. Not compassion. For these people are suffering.
I read somewhere there are 120 doctors for almost 4 million people in Liberia. Yet, International Aid has been just a trickle so far. I am sad if the reason is because these areas are deemed of low importance and the risk to us enlightened folk is low.
I hope the world takes notice, or i fear that 'low risk' may just bite us on the bum.
I also hope it happens before the ageing has beens of pop crawl out of the wood work to make another live aid song. Oh, please Mr Geldof don't do it. :zoinks:
Bob Geldof will save us all. :zoinks:
Most solutions have nothing to do with compassion. Humanity is overrated.
My seven year old dragged me to the telly the other day. He had been going on and on about a kid called 'Jon' who was blind. There were tears. It turns out to be an advert for a charity about kids in Africa going blind because of dirty water they drink. He had managed to hit the record button this time and he made me watch it. He must have dreamed about it too, he woke up in the night saying we got to save 'Jon'. He got a lid off something and went through the house collecting small change and presented it to me in a business like fashion saying i can have the money in exchange for a text message i must send to this charity donating some money.
Yes i sent the text. I don't know if it was real compassion, but it was innocent and very genuine.
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You have the sweetest Urchin of the whole world.
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Been watching it since the beginning. Scary shit.
Going to get a lot worse before it gets better I think. :(
Yup. Tens of thousands of people will have died before it's brought under control.
If it will get under control. There are chances it may become endemic in Africa.
Scary thought, but I do think it will be brought under control, eventually, when it's become enough of a threat to the West.
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You have the sweetest Urchin of the whole world.
Agreed.
It's where you still get real compassion.
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It's like people who complain their government doesn't provide enough hunger aide to Africa, but they don't personally provide any aide to Africa.
An individual could easily be too poor to be able to provide anything, for anyone. Your point?
See it a lot. This is so terrible, hopefully the rest of the world will do something about it. Makes more sense to just say it's awful, rather than point out how others should care more, or wishing other would care more. Am assuming people truly too poor probably don't have electronics and internet access, so not sure of your point either.
I don't know if it was real compassion,
Yes it is, and very beautiful.
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It's like people who complain their government doesn't provide enough hunger aide to Africa, but they don't personally provide any aide to Africa.
An individual could easily be too poor to be able to provide anything, for anyone. Your point?
I would not have the faintest idea how to provide aide to Africa personally. I can donate, sure, but that is something different.
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It's like people who complain their government doesn't provide enough hunger aide to Africa, but they don't personally provide any aide to Africa.
An individual could easily be too poor to be able to provide anything, for anyone. Your point?
I would not have the faintest idea how to provide aide to Africa personally. I can donate, sure, but that is something different.
Used to have a friend who did missionary work is third world countries. She care a lot more than me.
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It's like people who complain their government doesn't provide enough hunger aide to Africa, but they don't personally provide any aide to Africa.
An individual could easily be too poor to be able to provide anything, for anyone. Your point?
See it a lot. This is so terrible, hopefully the rest of the world will do something about it. Makes more sense to just say it's awful, rather than bash others for not caring enough. Am assuming people truly too poor probably don't have electronics and internet access, so not sure of your point either.
Poverty is a weird thing. Nowadays, in my country, you are almost obliged to have internet access, or you will have no money at all. There are barely offices within traveling distance, for someone to apply for jobs and such. There are barely actual people available to help people out. It all has become internet business, and that tends to go wrong more than once.
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It's like people who complain their government doesn't provide enough hunger aide to Africa, but they don't personally provide any aide to Africa.
An individual could easily be too poor to be able to provide anything, for anyone. Your point?
I would not have the faintest idea how to provide aide to Africa personally. I can donate, sure, but that is something different.
Used to have a friend who did missionary work is third world countries. She care a lot more than me.
Being a missionary, or an NGO worker is a calling for the few. Doesn't say others are not caring. There are other things that need doing and caring too.
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Poverty standards are weird, yes. Truly poor people probably don't reside in he western world; most probably do in fact have something to give. The US has enough farmland to feed a lot of starving people, but farmers are paid not to plant a portion of their farmland, to keep our own economy stable. The government could just as easily pay them for the fruit of that land, and donate that food to Africa, or the farmers could do that themselves. The money the farmers receive and the amount of produce in circulation would still be the same, but their would be excess food going to somewhere that needs it. 'The world' doesn't really give a crap about Africa, but individuals sometimes care, like sweet little boys who take action.
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It's like people who complain their government doesn't provide enough hunger aide to Africa, but they don't personally provide any aide to Africa.
An individual could easily be too poor to be able to provide anything, for anyone. Your point?
I would not have the faintest idea how to provide aide to Africa personally. I can donate, sure, but that is something different.
Used to have a friend who did missionary work is third world countries. She care a lot more than me.
Being a missionary, or an NGO worker is a calling for the few. Doesn't say others are not caring. There are other things that need doing and caring too.
Am honest enough to admit I don't really care, otherwise I'd do something. Won't make noises of outrage about how other should do something, so people might think I care. It's like the discussion we had the other day. If truly caring what my government is doing to help Africa, might write a congressman or something. Something, anything, something other than noise, but I don't.
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It doesn't frighten me. The simple reason being that every time there's a new disease spreading in the world, the media blows it out of proportion and makes it look a hell of a lot worse than it actually is. They use fear tactics to get our attention.
Remember mad cow disease? Bird flu? Swine flu?
Where are they now?
If it weren't for the infected people being brought to the US, doubtful it would have been in the news in such magnitude. You're right, fear tactics and sensationalism.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/to-your-health/wp/2014/09/05/how-ebola-the-kardashian-of-diseases-is-stealing-attention-from-illnesses-that-kill-more-people/ (http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/to-your-health/wp/2014/09/05/how-ebola-the-kardashian-of-diseases-is-stealing-attention-from-illnesses-that-kill-more-people/)
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That was a first for me - donating via text off a TV advert. I encourage the urchin to express his feelings about everything, so am really pleased that he cares about kids in Africa. He says stuff like "They won't be able to do their school work if they go blind, will they Mom?"
I deliver parcels and goodie bags to homeless shelters on xmas eve and this year the urchin is going to come. I thought about it last year but i went alone. This year he really wants to come. I have had some criticism about this, especially from my own mother "what if he catches headlice in one of those places?" Which is typical of my mom who's favourite saying is 'charity begins at home'. I don't share that view and always followed my Dad in such matters. He would say that unless you have the fortunes of Richard Branson and can afford to buy your own island then you should be concerned about others in your community, country and the world. He would say that anyone can succumb to disease or be a victim of crime. The disease he was referring to was AIDS. If he were alive today he would probably say the same thing about Ebola. Anyway I am not forcing the urchin to come, he wants to and i think it will be a good experience.
I tend to be more involved, or more committed if there is a personal connection. Before I was a mother i sponsored a Burmese girl to go to school for four years. Her name was Po Po. Her Dad was in prison and her Mom was very poorly. She was nine when i started and had younger brothers and sisters to look after as well as her Mom.
I contacted OWFI a while ago (organisation of womens Freedom in Iraq) because of a post that i think was made by Adam. I am still in touch with them now. They have never asked me directly for money although there is a 'donate now' button on the website but they do ask me to write to various people and organisations and even governments. I do this gladly. I have always avoided women's organisations and feminist movements but these women have violence coming at them from all angles. They do have a fight on their hands. Part of the reason I do this is guilt because I supported a government who actually made their lives much worse. The Iraqi wars have taken their husbands and then the government installed by the 'allies' promptly took away any rights they had fought for under Saddam. There was a group of Yazidi women in Mosul who met once a month in secret, and I volunteered to send them messages of support which were then translated and read out at the meetings. This was part of an initiative to bridge the international gap and was apparently a source of comfort to these women to know that they had worldwide support. No names were exchanged but messages would be signed by unemplyed, France. / cartoonist, The Netherlands. / journalist, USA / and i was mother, UK. The best thing was that these women wanted to ask us questions. The questions they asked were a real mixed bag. Mostly stuff like what kind of house we live in, etc but the best one was a description of some make believe story they told to their children to make them go to sleep and asked what stories we tell to our kids. We were going to get the chance to ask them things the following month but all correspondence with these women stopped abruptly. I learned later that ISIS had taken Mosul and the Yazidi were amongst a few groups who were targeted by ISIS. Some of them had been driven away, many of them raped and tortured and some were executed. I don't know what happened to the group of ladies i was connected with.
I can't really explain why I feel so pig sick about these women i didn't even know. To this day i remain as baffled as hell to the outpouring of grief that went on when Princess Diana died. ?? I just couldn't contain my indifference over her death. I can't explain it any more than i can explain why i feel for the things i do.
I don't think i have ever told an individual that they should donate to charity. There have been plenty of times in my life when i haven't either. I don't always give for altruistic reasons, not when i look closely. I can also see multiple 'jon' type adverts and not feel motivated. Or, i can see something on the news and be driven. I do believe I have every right to voice an opinion, to question and to challenge the decisions my government makes about aid. The budget they use is public money. I use my twitter account to tweet MP's and government departments all the time.
As for the urchin, yes he is very caring at times. He is very well up on 'current affairs' and no longer watches the kiddies TV in the mornings but has taken to watching Sky news with me! He tackled me the other day because I threw a plastic bag in the bin. I was given a lecture about reusing things and recycling. I do admit that I am not as green as i should be! I do struggle to 'care' that much but it is good that schools are inserting such thoughts at an early age.
He is not all sweetness and light however and spent the whole swimming lesson on the bus because he said the 'f' word on his way into the baths. :zoinks:
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this year the urchin is going to come.
That's really awesome. Mom raised me doing a lot of charity work, and have logged a lot of hours on my own as an adult. Never have been one to give money, but time, effort, and belongings, yes. Mom drug me into the nitty gritty of it too, homeless shelters, battered women shelters. Had a fortunate life, but she taught be poverty and abuse through observation. Did volunteer work with the kids, but not the same type as mom did with me; maybe being too protective in that regard, and life has presented a circumstance thus far which made me wonder if the nitty gritty would have been a beneficial experience. Learning lessons by observing rather than learning the hard way by living them.
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Which is typical of my mom who's favourite saying is 'charity begins at home'.
In later years, am finding myself to be more in agreement with this. Went cold turkey a few years ago and haven't looked back. Still willing to donate possessions, but very stingy about my time. Maybe simply because life now affords me the luxury of time to be selfish about my time, now that those I actually prioritize don't so much need it.
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It's like people who complain their government doesn't provide enough hunger aide to Africa, but they don't personally provide any aide to Africa.
An individual could easily be too poor to be able to provide anything, for anyone. Your point?
See it a lot. This is so terrible, hopefully the rest of the world will do something about it. Makes more sense to just say it's awful, rather than point out how others should care more, or wishing other would care more. Am assuming people truly too poor probably don't have electronics and internet access, so not sure of your point either.
I don't know if it was real compassion,
Yes it is, and very beautiful.
If we all cared more, they would certainly be better off than before. OTOH, regardless of how much a couple of individuals care, Ebola will remain out of control unless those nations with the resources and the know-how decide to help, for real.
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It's like people who complain their government doesn't provide enough hunger aide to Africa, but they don't personally provide any aide to Africa.
An individual could easily be too poor to be able to provide anything, for anyone. Your point?
I would not have the faintest idea how to provide aide to Africa personally. I can donate, sure, but that is something different.
Used to have a friend who did missionary work is third world countries. She care a lot more than me.
Missionary work is sort of selfish, though, isn't it? Sure, they may help out but they basically want to shove Jesus in people's throats in return.
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If we all cared more, they would certainly be better off than before. OTOH, regardless of how much a couple of individuals care, Ebola will remain out of control unless those nations with the resources and the know-how decide to help, for real.
Africa has a lot more deadlier problems than ebola. The only reason leader of other nations will ever care, is due to not wanting it to spread to their own nation.
Missionary work is sort of selfish, though, isn't it? Sure, they may help out but they basically want to shove Jesus in people's throats in return.
Not sure; she was a teenager and didn't even speak their language, so probably not a great deal of throat shoving on her part. Though don't personally believe in altruism, so maybe some selfish motivation involved, even if only for the warm fuzzy of feeling good about herself. Still, caring more than me, which admittedly is not at all.
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It doesn't frighten me. The simple reason being that every time there's a new disease spreading in the world, the media blows it out of proportion and makes it look a hell of a lot worse than it actually is. They use fear tactics to get our attention.
Remember mad cow disease? Bird flu? Swine flu?
Where are they now?
Mad cow disease led to very drastic, and needed reactions, to avoid it becoming massive. Otherwise it would have spread out of control, and there is no cure.
It changed thoughts about what to feed animals too.
It still wasn't as bad as the media made it out to be.
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It doesn't frighten me. The simple reason being that every time there's a new disease spreading in the world, the media blows it out of proportion and makes it look a hell of a lot worse than it actually is. They use fear tactics to get our attention.
Remember mad cow disease? Bird flu? Swine flu?
Where are they now?
Mad cow disease led to very drastic, and needed reactions, to avoid it becoming massive. Otherwise it would have spread out of control, and there is no cure.
It changed thoughts about what to feed animals too.
It still wasn't as bad as the media made it out to be.
Without the drastic reactions, it could have been worse than the media made it out to be.
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If we all cared more, they would certainly be better off than before. OTOH, regardless of how much a couple of individuals care, Ebola will remain out of control unless those nations with the resources and the know-how decide to help, for real.
Africa has a lot more deadlier problems than ebola. The only reason leader of other nations will ever care, is due to not wanting it to spread to their own nation.
Which is an excellent way to motivate them.
Missionary work is sort of selfish, though, isn't it? Sure, they may help out but they basically want to shove Jesus in people's throats in return.
Not sure; she was a teenager and didn't even speak their language, so probably not a great deal of throat shoving on her part. Though don't personally believe in altruism, so maybe some selfish motivation involved, even if only for the warm fuzzy of feeling good about herself. Still, caring more than me, which admittedly is not at all.
I don't believe in altruism either. Of course it's about her feeling good about herself, but I'm sure Jesus was a part of it too.
As for not speaking their language, she wouldn't have been the first missionary with that particular handicap. Never stopped any of them.
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It doesn't frighten me. The simple reason being that every time there's a new disease spreading in the world, the media blows it out of proportion and makes it look a hell of a lot worse than it actually is. They use fear tactics to get our attention.
Remember mad cow disease? Bird flu? Swine flu?
Where are they now?
Mad cow disease led to very drastic, and needed reactions, to avoid it becoming massive. Otherwise it would have spread out of control, and there is no cure.
It changed thoughts about what to feed animals too.
It still wasn't as bad as the media made it out to be.
It was considered to be a very real threat then. It wasn't just the media.
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So very true. Unfortunately.
I do think that the situation is changing, but ebola is still seen as a West African problem, not something the big boys need to bother with.
It is and African problem, and it is a "sexy" problem, one that you will find in crime series. Ebola triggers the mind.
In western Europe some diseases hardly get media attention, because it just is not a sexy juicy disease, even if it kills people. Loads of people got infected with Q fever, in the Netherlands, in 2011. With long term effects. People got killed by it too. It was not a sexy disease, and it was more profitable to not talk about it too. So, it was barely talked about. There was hardly a thing about it in the papers back then, and even now, it gets little attention.
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Which is an excellent way to motivate them.
It only notes the difference between caring about the spread of ebola, and caring about the people dying in Africa; thinking there's a big difference.
It is and African problem, and it is a "sexy" problem, one that you will find in crime series. Ebola triggers the mind.
Am thinking it's not even that; it's recognized an anyone problem, and that's why it frightens people. Even when aids spread to the western world, leaders of the US didn't really care, the general public didn't really care beyond the sensationalism, because in the beginning it was primarily a disease of junkies and gay men. Leaders only began to care about the disease when when women, children, and old people started contracting it; they started caring because it was being spread by the medical institutions; they started caring because they cared about who was dying from the disease, and to this day that doesn't include the people of Africa.
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As for not speaking their language, she wouldn't have been the first missionary with that particular handicap. Never stopped any of them.
You reminded me of something funny. In my last position, the facility had a large number of non-English speaking workers. Each month cake was served by the administrative staff, in honor of anyone having a birthday that month. One time one of the managers was handing out slices of cake, saying happy Halloween happy Halloween, to each person passing by. Asked her why she was saying happy Halloween, and she said they don't understand or care what she's saying anyway. Thought that was hilarious because she was right; it was about the cake and not the message being delivered along with it. :laugh:
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I don't know much about missionary work, but i think these areas in Africa specifically need medical staff and not religious guidance.
Médecins Sans Frontières/Doctors Without Borders are one of the main organisations with people on the ground in places with ebola. They provide doctors and health workers irrespective of race, religion, creed, or political convictions. They are independent of any political or religious agenda. I have been reading some of their blogs. They are awesome. Founded in France.
A lot of countries adopt some kind of Good Samaritan law. In England, this is rarely enforced. It applies when there is a relationship already between the 'rescuer' and 'person in distress'. Health and Safety regulations seem to come first. In other places, the 'rescuer' has been sued by the person if they accidently make matters worse or cause further harm!
The Good Samaritan Laws in France are different.
The French Law, not only does not seek to exonerate the rescuer of any liability in the event of inappropriate help, but quite to the contrary it intends to punish – both in criminal and civil law – the bystander who, directly witnessing a dangerous incident, does not intervene even though to do so would pose no risk to him or a third party.
Criminal Code Art 223-6
I am not even sure if i applaud this law or not. I like to keep laws to an absolute minimum if i had the choice. I was just wondering if its principals influenced the founding ideas of Médecins Sans Frontières. I was also trying to imagine how it would impact a person growing up with a law that almost demands altruism, and possibly even heroism.
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Have only ever read about samaritan laws being used against anyone, in the case of Princess Diana's death. Maybe it's about the status of who needs rescuing in some places. Though laws over there are strange and have gotten the impression people don't have the right to protect themselves in self-defense, being sued by their own attackers, so it doesn't surprise there are places where people can be sued for trying to help someone. Samatarian laws are good because people shouldn't have worry about being charged with a crime for trying to help.
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Are you currently able to load the page for recent posts at the bottom of the hompage, Bodaccea?
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Are you currently able to load the page for recent posts at the bottom of the hompage, Bodaccea?
Nevermind. It's working now.
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Which is an excellent way to motivate them.
It only notes the difference between caring about the spread of ebola, and caring about the people dying in Africa; thinking there's a big difference.
Though will agree the motivation doesn't really matter, as long as people are getting the help they need. Unless of course that motivation is religious. :laugh:
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? i had wondered off from this laptap and left it with a lot of windows open. i returned and had to reload :zoinks:
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It may have been something glitching on my own computer. It seem to be related to a post he made with a video, and maybe my browser was having trouble loading it. Seems fine now.
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I don't know much about missionary work, but i think these areas in Africa specifically need medical staff and not religious guidance.
Médecins Sans Frontières/Doctors Without Borders are one of the main organisations with people on the ground in places with ebola. They provide doctors and health workers irrespective of race, religion, creed, or political convictions. They are independent of any political or religious agenda. I have been reading some of their blogs. They are awesome. Founded in France.
A lot of countries adopt some kind of Good Samaritan law. In England, this is rarely enforced. It applies when there is a relationship already between the 'rescuer' and 'person in distress'. Health and Safety regulations seem to come first. In other places, the 'rescuer' has been sued by the person if they accidently make matters worse or cause further harm!
The Good Samaritan Laws in France are different.
The French Law, not only does not seek to exonerate the rescuer of any liability in the event of inappropriate help, but quite to the contrary it intends to punish – both in criminal and civil law – the bystander who, directly witnessing a dangerous incident, does not intervene even though to do so would pose no risk to him or a third party.
Criminal Code Art 223-6
I am not even sure if i applaud this law or not. I like to keep laws to an absolute minimum if i had the choice. I was just wondering if its principals influenced the founding ideas of Médecins Sans Frontières. I was also trying to imagine how it would impact a person growing up with a law that almost demands altruism, and possibly even heroism.
Artsen zonder grenzen/Médecins Sans Frontières is an organisation I support on a regular basis. Sometimes I cannot bring myself to reading their journal though. It's awesome what they are doing.
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I don't know much about missionary work, but i think these areas in Africa specifically need medical staff and not religious guidance.
Médecins Sans Frontières/Doctors Without Borders are one of the main organisations with people on the ground in places with ebola. They provide doctors and health workers irrespective of race, religion, creed, or political convictions. They are independent of any political or religious agenda. I have been reading some of their blogs. They are awesome. Founded in France.
A lot of countries adopt some kind of Good Samaritan law. In England, this is rarely enforced. It applies when there is a relationship already between the 'rescuer' and 'person in distress'. Health and Safety regulations seem to come first. In other places, the 'rescuer' has been sued by the person if they accidently make matters worse or cause further harm!
The Good Samaritan Laws in France are different.
The French Law, not only does not seek to exonerate the rescuer of any liability in the event of inappropriate help, but quite to the contrary it intends to punish – both in criminal and civil law – the bystander who, directly witnessing a dangerous incident, does not intervene even though to do so would pose no risk to him or a third party.
Criminal Code Art 223-6
I am not even sure if i applaud this law or not. I like to keep laws to an absolute minimum if i had the choice. I was just wondering if its principals influenced the founding ideas of Médecins Sans Frontières. I was also trying to imagine how it would impact a person growing up with a law that almost demands altruism, and possibly even heroism.
I seem to recall that we have a law like that.
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It may have been something glitching on my own computer. It seem to be related to a post he made with a video, and maybe my browser was having trouble loading it. Seems fine now.
Clear your browser's cache and any I2-related cookies.
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Which is an excellent way to motivate them.
It only notes the difference between caring about the spread of ebola, and caring about the people dying in Africa; thinking there's a big difference.
But every now and then, somebody will hop on a plane from A to B and find out that he is sick a day or two after arriving at B.
Which is something that is happening right now, and which I'm sure will further motivate the leaders to finance the efforts to contain the virus.
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I don't know much about missionary work, but i think these areas in Africa specifically need medical staff and not religious guidance.
Médecins Sans Frontières/Doctors Without Borders are one of the main organisations with people on the ground in places with ebola. They provide doctors and health workers irrespective of race, religion, creed, or political convictions. They are independent of any political or religious agenda. I have been reading some of their blogs. They are awesome. Founded in France.
A lot of countries adopt some kind of Good Samaritan law. In England, this is rarely enforced. It applies when there is a relationship already between the 'rescuer' and 'person in distress'. Health and Safety regulations seem to come first. In other places, the 'rescuer' has been sued by the person if they accidently make matters worse or cause further harm!
The Good Samaritan Laws in France are different.
The French Law, not only does not seek to exonerate the rescuer of any liability in the event of inappropriate help, but quite to the contrary it intends to punish – both in criminal and civil law – the bystander who, directly witnessing a dangerous incident, does not intervene even though to do so would pose no risk to him or a third party.
Criminal Code Art 223-6
I am not even sure if i applaud this law or not. I like to keep laws to an absolute minimum if i had the choice. I was just wondering if its principals influenced the founding ideas of Médecins Sans Frontières. I was also trying to imagine how it would impact a person growing up with a law that almost demands altruism, and possibly even heroism.
I seem to recall that we have a law like that.
Your government has been considering this law, but not sure if it has decided to do so.
I believe it is covered in the handbook, titled "Good moomin Guide" :moomin:
In Chapter 95 (punishments) it clearly states that any bad moomin who ignores another in distress will be sent to the naughty step.
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Which is an excellent way to motivate them.
It only notes the difference between caring about the spread of ebola, and caring about the people dying in Africa; thinking there's a big difference.
But every now and then, somebody will hop on a plane from A to B and find out that he is sick a day or two after arriving at B.
Which is something that is happening right now, and which I'm sure will further motivate the leaders to finance the efforts to contain the virus.
Apparently doctors in Stockholm are checking a patient suspected of having contracted the Ebola virus. I think they are just being over cautious as this is the about the fifth or sixth one, and so far none were confirmed to have the virus.
It is a question of time, though. A breakout in Europe would mean a lockdown on airports and the free movement between member states would be temporarily suspended. It has a potential to harm businesses and those already struggling might be forced to close. It could be HUGE.
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There is a confirmed case of Ebola in Texas.
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There is a confirmed case of Ebola in Texas.
And they sent him home a couple of days ago with antibiotics. He may have infected a few.
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I don't know much about missionary work, but i think these areas in Africa specifically need medical staff and not religious guidance.
Médecins Sans Frontières/Doctors Without Borders are one of the main organisations with people on the ground in places with ebola. They provide doctors and health workers irrespective of race, religion, creed, or political convictions. They are independent of any political or religious agenda. I have been reading some of their blogs. They are awesome. Founded in France.
A lot of countries adopt some kind of Good Samaritan law. In England, this is rarely enforced. It applies when there is a relationship already between the 'rescuer' and 'person in distress'. Health and Safety regulations seem to come first. In other places, the 'rescuer' has been sued by the person if they accidently make matters worse or cause further harm!
The Good Samaritan Laws in France are different.
The French Law, not only does not seek to exonerate the rescuer of any liability in the event of inappropriate help, but quite to the contrary it intends to punish – both in criminal and civil law – the bystander who, directly witnessing a dangerous incident, does not intervene even though to do so would pose no risk to him or a third party.
Criminal Code Art 223-6
I am not even sure if i applaud this law or not. I like to keep laws to an absolute minimum if i had the choice. I was just wondering if its principals influenced the founding ideas of Médecins Sans Frontières. I was also trying to imagine how it would impact a person growing up with a law that almost demands altruism, and possibly even heroism.
I seem to recall that we have a law like that.
Your government has been considering this law, but not sure if it has decided to do so.
I believe it is covered in the handbook, titled "Good moomin Guide" :moomin:
In Chapter 95 (punishments) it clearly states that any bad moomin who ignores another in distress will be sent to the naughty step.
:laugh:
It's Chapter 96. :P
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There is a confirmed case of Ebola in Texas.
And they sent him home a couple of days ago with antibiotics. He may have infected a few.
Just read about it. They screwed up. About 20 people are now being monitored.
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Two Dutch doctors that got quarantined in the Netherlands want to go back to their hospital. But, with stricter protocol than obliged, they had an unrecognised outbreak of ebola in their hospital, because the symptoms were not by the WHO book.
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Scary stuff. Maybe now the governments will start caring.
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And while they are at it, let them have a strong go at malaria too.
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Don't confuse them like that. They don't multitask. :P
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because the symptoms were not by the WHO book.
For some reason, am thinking read years ago, maybe back in the 90 when it last flared up, Ebola is a virus which mutates each time it reappears, making it inconducive to vaccine.
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Not sure if it mutates every time it reappears. There are a few different strains, though.
There is an ongoing vaccine trial now, I think.
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That makes sense.
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because the symptoms were not by the WHO book.
For some reason, am thinking read years ago, maybe back in the 90 when it last flared up, Ebola is a virus which mutates each time it reappears, making it inconducive to vaccine.
I think part of the reason the symptoms were not recognised is because there has not been enough research in the field to find all possible symptoms. It still is terra incognita.
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(CNN) -- The first person to be diagnosed with Ebola on American soil went to the emergency room last week, but was released from the hospital even though he told staff he had traveled from Liberia.
"A travel history was taken, but it wasn't communicated to the people who were making the decision. ... It was a mistake. They dropped the ball," said Dr. Anthony Fauci, director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases.
"You don't want to pile on them, but hopefully this will never happen again. ... The CDC has been vigorously emphasizing the need for a travel history," Fauci told CNN's "The Lead with Jake Tapper."
Ebola preps difficult for hospitals
Hospital officials have acknowledged that the patient's travel history wasn't "fully communicated" to doctors, but also said in a statement Wednesday that based on his symptoms, there was no reason to admit him when he first came to the emergency room last Thursday night.
"At that time, the patient presented with low-grade fever and abdominal pain. His condition did not warrant admission. He also was not exhibiting symptoms specific to Ebola," Texas Health Presbyterian Hospital Dallas said.
The patient, identified by his half-brother as Thomas Eric Duncan, told hospital staff that he was from Liberia, a friend who knows him well said.
A nurse asked the patient about his recent travels while he was in the emergency room, and the patient said he had been in Africa, said Dr. Mark Lester, executive vice president of Texas Health Resources. But that information was not "fully communicated" to the medical team, Lester said.
The man underwent basic blood tests, but not an Ebola screening, and was sent home with antibiotics, said Dr. Edward Goodman with Texas Health Presbyterian Hospital.
Three days later, the man returned to the facility, where it was determined that he probably had Ebola. He was then isolated.
"The hospital followed all suggested CDC protocols at that time. Texas Health Presbyterian Hospital Dallas' staff is thoroughly trained in infection control procedures and protocols," the hospital said Wednesday.
The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, which has helped lead the international response to Ebola, advises that all medical facilities should ask patients with symptoms consistent with Ebola for their travel history.
Duncan's travel history "was not acted upon in an appropriate way," said Dr. Sanjay Gupta, CNN's Chief Medical Correspondent.
"A nurse did ask the question and he did respond that he was in Liberia and that wasn't transmitted to people who were in charge of his care," Gupta said. "There's no excuse for this."
A U.S. official told CNN senior medical correspondent Elizabeth Cohen that the situation was clearly "a screw-up." A patient who shows up to a hospital with a fever and a history of travel to Liberia should be treated as an infection risk, the official said.
Asked repeatedly by Gupta whether the patient should have been tested for Ebola during his first visit to the hospital, CDC Director Dr. Thomas Frieden said officials were still looking at details about how the case was handled.
"We know that in busy emergency departments all over the country, people may not ask travel histories. I don't know if that was done here," Frieden said. "But we need to make sure that it is done going forward."
Friend: I called the CDC with concerns
Duncan is a 42-year-old Liberian national, according to his friend. This is Duncan's first trip to the United States, where he was visiting family and friends.
The close associate, who does not want to be identified because of the sensitivity of the case, contacted the CDC with concerns that the hospital wasn't moving quickly enough after Duncan's second hospital visit.
Marie Nyan, whose mother died of Ebola, carries her 2-year-old son, Nathaniel Edward, to an ambulance after showing signs of the virus in the Liberian village of Freeman Reserve on Tuesday, September 30. Health officials say the Ebola outbreak in West Africa is the deadliest ever. More than 3,000 people have died, according to the World Health Organization.
A health official uses a thermometer Monday, September 29, to screen a Ukrainian crew member on the deck of a cargo ship at the Apapa port in Lagos, Nigeria.
Children pray during Sunday service at the Bridgeway Baptist Church in Monrovia, Liberia, on Sunday, September 28.
Residents of the St. Paul Bridge neighborhood in Monrovia take a man suspected of having Ebola to a clinic on September 28.
Workers move a building into place as part of a new Ebola treatment center in Monrovia on September 28.
Medical staff members at the Doctors Without Borders facility in Monrovia burn clothes belonging to Ebola patients on Saturday, September 27.
A police officer patrols a road in Monrovia on September 27 after a body was found in the center of the city.
Tents are set up as health control centers at an air base near the Senegalese capital of Dakar on September 27. After closing its borders on August 21, Senegal opened an air corridor to allow humanitarian aid to be delivered to the three areas most affected by the Ebola virus.
A health worker in Freetown, Sierra Leone, sprays disinfectant around the area where a man sits before loading him into an ambulance on Wednesday, September 24.
People wait outside a new Ebola treatment center in Monrovia on Tuesday, September 23.
Health workers in protective suits work outside an Ebola treatment center in Monrovia on September 23.
Medics load an Ebola patient onto a plane at Sierra Leone's Freetown-Lungi International Airport on Monday, September 22.
A team that handles the management of dead bodies prays with Saymon Kamara, far right, on September 22 in Monrovia. Kamara's mother died from complications of high blood pressure.
A few people are seen in Freetown during a three-day nationwide lockdown on Sunday, September 21. In an attempt to curb the spread of the Ebola virus, people in Sierra Leone were told to stay in their homes.
A baby pig sleeps in front of an ambulance at the Connaught Hospital in Freetown on September 21.
Supplies wait to be loaded onto an aircraft at New York's John F. Kennedy International Airport on Saturday, September 20. It was the largest single shipment of aid to the Ebola zone to date, and it was coordinated by the Clinton Global Initiative and other U.S. aid organizations.
A volunteer health worker in Freetown talks with residents on how to prevent Ebola infection and identify symptoms of the virus on September 20. Bars of soap were also distributed.
Police in Freetown guard a roadblock Friday, September 19, as the country began enforcing its three-day nationwide lockdown.
A student of the Sainte Therese school in Abidjan, Ivory Coast, looks at placards Monday, September 15, that were put up to raise awareness about the symptoms of the Ebola virus.
Members of a volunteer medical team wear protective gear before the burying of an Ebola victim Saturday, September 13, in Conakry, Guinea.
A child stops on a Monrovia street Friday, September 12, to look at a man who is suspected of suffering from Ebola.
Health workers on Wednesday, September 10, carry the body of a woman who they suspect died from the Ebola virus in Monrovia.
A woman in Monrovia carries the belongings of her husband, who died after he was infected by the Ebola virus.
Five ambulances that were donated by the United States to help combat the Ebola virus are lined up in Freetown on September 10 following a ceremony that was attended by Sierra Leone President Ernest Bai Koroma.
A health worker wears protective gear Sunday, September 7, at ELWA Hospital in Monrovia.
An ambulance transporting Dr. Rick Sacra, an American missionary who was infected with Ebola in Liberia, arrives at the Nebraska Medical Center in Omaha, Nebraska, on Friday, September 5. Sacra was being treated in the hospital's special isolation unit.
Medical workers from the Liberian Red Cross carry the body of an Ebola victim Thursday, September 4, in Banjol, Liberia.
Health workers in Monrovia place a corpse into a body bag on September 4.
A rally against the Ebola virus is held in Abidjan on September 4.
After an Ebola case was confirmed in Senegal, people load cars with household items as they prepare to cross into Guinea from the border town of Diaobe, Senegal, on Wednesday, September 3.
Crowds cheer and celebrate in the streets Saturday, August 30, after Liberian authorities reopened the West Point slum in Monrovia. The military had been enforcing a quarantine on West Point, fearing a spread of the Ebola virus.
A health worker wearing a protective suit conducts an Ebola prevention drill at the port in Monrovia on Friday, August 29.
Senegalese Health Minister Awa Marie Coll-Seck gives a news conference August 29 to confirm the first case of Ebola in Senegal. She announced that a young Guinean had tested positive for the deadly virus.
Volunteers working with the bodies of Ebola victims in Kenema, Sierra Leone, sterilize their uniforms on Sunday, August 24.
A Liberian health worker checks people for symptoms of Ebola at a checkpoint near the international airport in Dolo Town, Liberia, on August 24.
A guard stands at a checkpoint Saturday, August 23, between the quarantined cities of Kenema and Kailahun in Sierra Leone.
A burial team from the Liberian Ministry of Health unloads bodies of Ebola victims onto a funeral pyre at a crematorium in Marshall, Liberia, on Friday, August 22.
A humanitarian group worker, right, throws water in a small bag to West Point residents behind the fence of a holding area on August 22. Residents of the quarantined Monrovia slum were waiting for a second consignment of food from the Liberian government.
Dr. Kent Brantly leaves Emory University Hospital on Thursday, August 21, after being declared no longer infectious from the Ebola virus. Brantly was one of two American missionaries brought to Emory for treatment of the deadly virus.
Brantly, right, hugs a member of the Emory University Hospital staff after being released from treatment in Atlanta.
Family members of West Point district commissioner Miata Flowers flee the slum in Monrovia while being escorted by the Ebola Task Force on Wednesday, August 20.
An Ebola Task Force soldier beats a local resident while enforcing a quarantine on the West Point slum on August 20.
Local residents gather around a very sick Saah Exco, 10, in a back alley of the West Point slum on Tuesday, August 19. The boy was one of the patients that was pulled out of a holding center for suspected Ebola patients after the facility was overrun and closed by a mob on August 16. A local clinic then refused to treat Saah, according to residents, because of the danger of infection. Although he was never tested for Ebola, Saah's mother and brother died in the holding center.
A burial team wearing protective clothing retrieves the body of a 60-year-old Ebola victim from his home near Monrovia on Sunday, August 17.
lija Siafa, 6, stands in the rain with his 10-year-old sister, Josephine, while waiting outside Doctors Without Borders' Ebola treatment center in Monrovia on August 17. The newly built facility will initially have 120 beds, making it the largest-ever facility for Ebola treatment and isolation.
Brett Adamson, a staff member from Doctors Without Borders, hands out water to sick Liberians hoping to enter the new Ebola treatment center on August 17.
Workers prepare the new Ebola treatment center on August 17.
A body, reportedly a victim of Ebola, lies on a street corner in Monrovia on Saturday, August 16.
Liberian police depart after firing shots in the air while trying to protect an Ebola burial team in the West Point slum of Monrovia on August 16. A crowd of several hundred local residents reportedly drove away the burial team and their police escort. The mob then forced open an Ebola isolation ward and took patients out, saying the Ebola epidemic is a hoax.
A crowd enters the grounds of an Ebola isolation center in the West Point slum on August 16. The mob was reportedly shouting, "No Ebola in West Point."
A health worker disinfects a corpse after a man died in a classroom being used as an Ebola isolation ward Friday, August 15, in Monrovia.
A boy tries to prepare his father before they are taken to an Ebola isolation ward August 15 in Monrovia.
Kenyan health officials take passengers' temperature as they arrive at the Jomo Kenyatta International Airport on Thursday, August 14, in Nairobi, Kenya.
A hearse carries the coffin of Spanish priest Miguel Pajares after he died at a Madrid hospital on Tuesday, August 12. Pajares, 75, contracted Ebola while he was working as a missionary in Liberia.
A member of the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention leads a training session on Ebola infection control Monday, August 11, in Lagos.
Health workers in Kenema screen people for the Ebola virus on Saturday, August 9, before they enter the Kenema Government Hospital.
A health worker at the Kenema Government Hospital carries equipment used to decontaminate clothing and equipment on August 9.
Health care workers wear protective gear at the Kenema Government Hospital on August 9.
Paramedics in protective suits move Pajares, the infected Spanish priest, at Carlos III Hospital in Madrid on Thursday, August 7. He died five days later.
Nurses carry the body of an Ebola victim from a house outside Monrovia on Wednesday, August 6.
A Nigerian health official wears protective gear August 6 at Murtala Muhammed International Airport in Lagos.
Officials with the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention in Atlanta sit in on a conference call about Ebola with CDC team members deployed in West Africa on Tuesday, August 5.
Aid worker Nancy Writebol, wearing a protective suit, gets wheeled on a gurney into Emory University Hospital in Atlanta on August 5. A medical plane flew Writebol from Liberia to the United States after she and her colleague Dr. Kent Brantly were infected with the Ebola virus in the West African country.
Nigerian health officials are on hand to screen passengers at Murtala Muhammed International Airport on Monday, August 4.
A man gets sprayed with disinfectant Sunday, August 3, in Monrovia.
Dr. Kent Brantly, right, gets out of an ambulance after arriving at Emory University Hospital in Atlanta on Saturday, August 2. Brantly was infected with the Ebola virus in Africa, but he was brought back to the United States for further treatment.
Nurses wearing protective clothing are sprayed with disinfectant Friday, August 1, in Monrovia after they prepared the bodies of Ebola victims for burial.
A nurse disinfects the waiting area at the ELWA Hospital in Monrovia on Monday, July 28.
Liberian President Ellen Johnson Sirleaf, right, walks past an Ebola awareness poster in downtown Monrovia as Liberia marked the 167th anniversary of its independence Saturday, July 26. The Liberian government dedicated the anniversary to fighting the deadly disease.
In this photo provided by Samaritan's Purse, Dr. Kent Brantly, left, treats an Ebola patient in Monrovia. On July 26, the North Carolina-based group said Brantly tested positive for the disease. Days later, Brantly arrived in Georgia to be treated at an Atlanta hospital, becoming the first Ebola patient to knowingly be treated in the United States.
A 10-year-old boy whose mother was killed by the Ebola virus walks with a doctor from the aid organization Samaritan's Purse after being taken out of quarantine Thursday, July 24, in Monrovia.
A doctor puts on protective gear at the treatment center in Kailahun on Sunday, July 20.
Members of Doctors Without Borders adjust tents in the isolation area in Kailahun on July 20.
Boots dry in the Ebola treatment center in Kailahun on July 20.
Red Cross volunteers prepare to enter a house where an Ebola victim died in Pendembu, Sierra Leone, on Friday, July 18.
Dr. Jose Rovira of the World Health Organization takes a swab from a suspected Ebola victim in Pendembu on July 18.
Red Cross volunteers disinfect each other with chlorine after removing the body of an Ebola victim from a house in Pendembu on July 18.
A dressing assistant prepares a Doctors Without Borders member before entering an isolation ward Thursday, July 17, in Kailahun.
A doctor works in the field laboratory at the Ebola treatment center in Kailahun on July 17.
Doctors Without Borders staff prepare to enter the isolation ward at an Ebola treatment center in Kailahun on July 17.
A health worker with disinfectant spray walks down a street outside the government hospital in Kenema on Thursday, July 10.
Dr. Mohamed Vandi of the Kenema Government Hospital trains community volunteers who will aim to educate people about Ebola in Sierra Leone.
Police block a road outside Kenema to stop motorists for a body temperature check on Wednesday, July 9.
A woman has her temperature taken at a screening checkpoint on the road out of Kenema on July 9.
A member of Doctors Without Borders puts on protective gear at the isolation ward of the Donka Hospital in Conakry on Saturday, June 28.
Airport employees check passengers in Conakry before they leave the country on Thursday, April 10.
CNN's Dr. Sanjay Gupta, left, works in the World Health Organization's mobile lab in Conakry. Gupta traveled to Guinea in April to report on the deadly virus.
A Guinea-Bissau customs official watches arrivals from Conakry on Tuesday, April 8.
Egidia Almeida, a nurse in Guinea-Bissau, scans a Guinean citizen coming from Conakry on April 8.
A scientist separates blood cells from plasma cells to isolate any Ebola RNA and test for the virus Thursday, April 3, at the European Mobile Laboratory in Gueckedou, Guinea.
Members of Doctors Without Borders carry a dead body in Gueckedou on Friday, April 1.
Gloves and boots used by medical personnel dry in the sun April 1 outside a center for Ebola victims in Gueckedou.
A health specialist works Monday, March 31, in a tent laboratory set up at a Doctors Without Borders facility in southern Guinea.
Health specialists work March 31 at an isolation ward for patients at the facility in southern Guinea.
The associate said Duncan is "all right" now, but is in pain and hasn't eaten in The patient is now under intensive care and isolated, Frieden said.
He is in serious condition, the hospital told CNN. Neither the hospital nor government officials have identified Duncan by name.
Obama administration recirculates guidelines
It's unknown whether others were infected after Duncan's first visit to the hospital. People who have Ebola are contagious -- but only through contact with infected bodily fluids -- when they display active symptoms of the virus, such as a high fever, severe headache, diarrhea and vomiting, among others. It's not like a cold or the flu, which can be spread before symptoms show up, and it doesn't spread through the air.
Liberia is one of the hotspots in a large outbreak of Ebola in West Africa, with 3,458 cases and 1,830 deaths as of September 23, according to the World Health Organization. Other countries affected include Guinea, Nigeria and Sierra Leone. In total, more than 3,000 people have died in those countries from Ebola, and more than 6,500 have contracted the disease.
This summer, two American missionaries who were working in Liberia contracted the virus and were brought back to the United States, where they were treated with the experimental drug ZMapp. Another American doctor working with the same charity was also infected in Liberia and brought home for treatment. They all have since recovered from the virus and were released from care.
The CDC has ramped up a national effort to stem the spread of Ebola, and in September President Barack Obama spoke at CDC headquarters in Atlanta. He called the virus a global health and security threat, and pledged U.S. assistance to the affected countries to try to stem the tide of the disease.
After the Dallas diagnosis, the Obama administration is recirculating its guidance about how to respond to the virus, White House spokesman Josh Earnest told reporters.
"In light of this incident," Earnest said, "the administration has taken the step of recirculating our guidance to law enforcement agencies that are responsible for securing the border, to those agencies that represent individuals who staff the airline industry and to medical professionals all across the country, to make sure people are aware there is an important protocol that should be implemented if an individual presents with symptoms that are consistent with Ebola."
Finding the people the man came in contact with
The patient came into contact with up to 20 individuals, Dallas Mayor Mike Rawlings told CNN.
A CDC team is in Dallas helping to find anyone he may have come in contact with, Frieden said.
Once those people are identified, they will be monitored for 21 days -- taking their temperatures twice a day -- in cooperation with local and state health officials, Frieden said.
Some school-age children have been in contact with the Ebola patient, but the students haven't exhibited symptoms of the deadly virus, authorities said.
Five students at four different schools came into contact with the man, Dallas Superintendent Mike Miles said.
The children are being monitored at home, and the schools they attended remain open, he said.
First diagnosed case of Ebola in U.S.
Paramedics who transported the patient to the hospital have been isolated, Rawlings' chief of staff said. They have not shown symptoms of the disease so far, Frieden said.
The ambulance used to carry the patient was still in use for two days after the transport, city of Dallas spokeswoman Sana Syed said.
But she emphasized that the paramedics decontaminated the ambulance, as they do after every transport, according to national standards
http://www.cnn.com/2014/10/01/health/ebo...index.html (http://www.cnn.com/2014/10/01/health/ebo...index.html)
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But she emphasized that the paramedics decontaminated the ambulance, as they do after every transport, according to national standards
Doomed.
We are all doomed.
:death:
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It doesn't frighten me. The simple reason being that every time there's a new disease spreading in the world, the media blows it out of proportion and makes it look a hell of a lot worse than it actually is. They use fear tactics to get our attention.
Remember mad cow disease? Bird flu? Swine flu?
Where are they now?
Mad cow disease led to very drastic, and needed reactions, to avoid it becoming massive. Otherwise it would have spread out of control, and there is no cure.
It changed thoughts about what to feed animals too.
It still wasn't as bad as the media made it out to be.
It was considered to be a very real threat then. It wasn't just the media.
I never said it was just media, all I said was that it wasn't as bad as the media made it out to be. I never said that mad cow disease was a cakewalk.
But that's the same with anything that can be considered even close to a crisis.
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But she emphasized that the paramedics decontaminated the ambulance, as they do after every transport, according to national standards
Doomed.
We are all doomed.
:death:
So, should I expect you guys to disappear from the board, eventually?
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But she emphasized that the paramedics decontaminated the ambulance, as they do after every transport, according to national standards
Doomed.
We are all doomed.
:death:
So, should I expect you guys to disappear from the board, eventually?
Where is CBC?
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But she emphasized that the paramedics decontaminated the ambulance, as they do after every transport, according to national standards
Doomed.
We are all doomed.
:death:
So, should I expect you guys to disappear from the board, eventually?
Where is CBC?
OMG :GA:
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https://imgur.com/oz29XuY
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About the flu, there will be a big one, one day. Will happen, and there will be nothing we can do about it. The only thing that will help you then is a good physical start to begin with. So, getting scared about it will not help preventing. It's like rain, it will fall or not.
Its weird how powerful fear feels, but you're right - it never helped anything.
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The Daily Mail has reported that ISIS is using spiders to spread Ebola into Great Britain. The spiders will also cause an impossibly harsh winter. And you know how reliable the Daily Mail is.
I'm off to tour the Empire.
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The Daily Mail rocks. :zoinks:
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The Daily Mail has reported that ISIS is using spiders to spread Ebola into Great Britain. The spiders will also cause an impossibly harsh winter. And you know how reliable the Daily Mail is.
I'm off to tour the Empire.
The Daily Mail Song (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5eBT6OSr1TI#ws)
Daily Mail Cancer Song - Russell Howard (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KZTeSxWdk1g#)
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Just two hours drive north of me :zombiefuck:
Man being evaluated for possible Ebola at Boston’s Beth Israel
BRAINTREE — A man who recently visited Liberia is being assessed in a Boston hospital for a possible infection by the deadly Ebola virus, health officials said Sunday.
The man, whom officials have not identified, was taken by ambulance to Beth Israel Deaconess Medical Center late Sunday afternoon after his presence at a Braintree medical practice briefly shut down that facility earlier in the day.
Link (http://www.bostonglobe.com/metro/2014/10/12/ebola/z3DybKoXBg0XjPO6m5yVgK/story.html)
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The Daily Mail has reported that ISIS is using spiders to spread Ebola into Great Britain. The spiders will also cause an impossibly harsh winter. And you know how reliable the Daily Mail is.
I'm off to tour the Empire.
I found my copy of the DM.
(http://i.chzbgr.com/maxW500/8339778560/h58FF3D46/)
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The Daily Mail has reported that ISIS is using spiders to spread Ebola into Great Britain. The spiders will also cause an impossibly harsh winter. And you know how reliable the Daily Mail is.
I'm off to tour the Empire.
I found my copy of the DM.
(http://i.chzbgr.com/maxW500/8339778560/h58FF3D46/)
I approve of this kind of factual journalism.
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Just two hours drive north of me :zombiefuck:
Man being evaluated for possible Ebola at Boston’s Beth Israel
BRAINTREE — A man who recently visited Liberia is being assessed in a Boston hospital for a possible infection by the deadly Ebola virus, health officials said Sunday.
The man, whom officials have not identified, was taken by ambulance to Beth Israel Deaconess Medical Center late Sunday afternoon after his presence at a Braintree medical practice briefly shut down that facility earlier in the day.
Link (http://www.bostonglobe.com/metro/2014/10/12/ebola/z3DybKoXBg0XjPO6m5yVgK/story.html)
Apparently it's unlikely.
Although they always say so, don't they? The risk is extremely low and all that. :P
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Quarantined nurse: My 'human rights' violated...
Kaci Hickox, a nurse placed under mandatory quarantine in New Jersey, went on CNN on Sunday and criticized the "knee-jerk reaction by politicians" to Ebola, saying "to quarantine someone without a better plan in place, without more forethought, is just preposterous."
Hickox, who was working to help treat Ebola patients in Sierra Leone, has tested negative twice for Ebola and does not have symptoms, she said.
"This is an extreme that is really unacceptable, and I feel like my basic human rights have been violated," Hickox told CNN's Candy Crowley on "State of the Union."
She described herself as "physically strong" but "emotionally exhausted."
"To put me through this emotional and physical stress is completely unacceptable," she said.
She slammed New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie for describing her as "obviously ill."
http://www.cnn.com/2014/10/26/health/new-jersey-quarantined-nurse/index.html?hpt=hp_t1 (http://www.cnn.com/2014/10/26/health/new-jersey-quarantined-nurse/index.html?hpt=hp_t1)
A mandatory 21-day quarantine imposed by New York and New Jersey on health care workers returning from West Africa after treating Ebola patients caught local and federal officials by surprise and spurred a heated debate on handling the spread of the virus.
http://www.cnn.com/2014/10/25/health/us-ebola/index.html?hpt=hp_t1 (http://www.cnn.com/2014/10/25/health/us-ebola/index.html?hpt=hp_t1)
Sorry I have to agree with this, this isn't the fucking flu and if they think it spread fast over there, think what it could do in NYC...and as for Kaci...I say keep her an extra 7 days for being a whiny ass bitch.
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...and as for Kaci...I say keep her an extra 7 days for being a whiny ass bitch.
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Ebola out of control in NY... :zombiefuck:
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Quarantined nurse: My 'human rights' violated...
Kaci Hickox, a nurse placed under mandatory quarantine in New Jersey, went on CNN on Sunday and criticized the "knee-jerk reaction by politicians" to Ebola, saying "to quarantine someone without a better plan in place, without more forethought, is just preposterous."
Hickox, who was working to help treat Ebola patients in Sierra Leone, has tested negative twice for Ebola and does not have symptoms, she said.
"This is an extreme that is really unacceptable, and I feel like my basic human rights have been violated," Hickox told CNN's Candy Crowley on "State of the Union."
She described herself as "physically strong" but "emotionally exhausted."
"To put me through this emotional and physical stress is completely unacceptable," she said.
She slammed New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie for describing her as "obviously ill."
http://www.cnn.com/2014/10/26/health/new-jersey-quarantined-nurse/index.html?hpt=hp_t1 (http://www.cnn.com/2014/10/26/health/new-jersey-quarantined-nurse/index.html?hpt=hp_t1)
A mandatory 21-day quarantine imposed by New York and New Jersey on health care workers returning from West Africa after treating Ebola patients caught local and federal officials by surprise and spurred a heated debate on handling the spread of the virus.
http://www.cnn.com/2014/10/25/health/us-ebola/index.html?hpt=hp_t1 (http://www.cnn.com/2014/10/25/health/us-ebola/index.html?hpt=hp_t1)
Sorry I have to agree with this, this isn't the fucking flu and if they think it spread fast over there, think what it could do in NYC...and as for Kaci...I say keep her an extra 7 days for being a whiny ass bitch.
And she is a healthworker?
I'd expect healthworkers at risk to self-quarantine at least. Doesn't have to be the hospital, but has to be a place away from people, with only a few trusted people dropping groceries in disposable bags at the door.
What is 21 days without physical contact, if you can keep all loved ones safe from risk by it?
Nigeria shows how important it is to confine possible patients away from other people. It's the only way to prevent Ebola from spreading.
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And she is a healthworker?
I'd expect healthworkers at risk to self-quarantine at least. Doesn't have to be the hospital, but has to be a place away from people, with only a few trusted people dropping groceries in disposable bags at the door.
What is 21 days without physical contact, if you can keep all loved ones safe from risk by it?
Nigeria shows how important it is to confine possible patients away from other people. It's the only way to prevent Ebola from spreading.
IMO she shouldn't be after this. Her Linkin page (which mysteriously disappeared soon after it hit the chat boards) had on it that she was employed by the CDC. :dunno:
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She is asymptomatic, though, and I think this whole thing is driven by fear rather than reason.
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Fear is a good reason to be as safe as possible.
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But rather counterproductive.
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She is asymptomatic, though, and I think this whole thing is driven by fear rather than reason.
The two Dutch doctors who came to the Netherlands to wait and see if they were infected had been working at an Ebola free hospital. Then asymptomatic patients came in, but with Ebola none the less. Those doctors kept themselves in quarantine for as long as needed.
A better safe than sorry approach with Ebola is well advised, I think. Once it gets hold of bigger cities, no matter in what country, fear will make that some patients will hide and not go to hospitals.
Fear may be a reason to quarantine strictly. Fear is also the reason the bloody disease spreads so well.
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:o exchanging bodily fluids goes on enough. eeeww
Why do the healthworkers wear masks then, and did you see this, that Spanish priest?
(http://cfdc8b0de351c7c31b07-c99619fa06a92e3ddd2265393c7fb10c.r12.cf3.rackcdn.com/5495048-Spanish-Priest-With-Ebola-Virus-Returns-to-Spain.jpg)
that looks scary
Bolded is why everyone is flipping out about something that isn't remotely as much of a threat to the first world as the coverage it's getting would have you believe.
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Personally I think being pulled away from your life for three weeks straight for catching a disease that isn't actually all that easily spread sounds pretty fucked up indeed.
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She is asymptomatic, though, and I think this whole thing is driven by fear rather than reason.
She is now. I guess when they first hit her with the thermometer at the airport she registered a temp of 101...she said she was angry and overheated. Quite possible, but I understand the fear, especially since they have one returning Dr. in the hospital now in NY (who showed no symptoms until about a week after his return), he had been out jogging, riding the subway, getting together with friends...etc.
Ebola is not spread easily, but it is spread through body fluids...so is a stomach virus...how many cruise ships have been sunk by one of those? Anyone who's ever cared for a sick kid under the age of 4 knows their fate with that and how easily bodily fluids can be exchanged. :P
In hindsight I should have bought some cheap hazmat suits...they have been selling like hotcakes on Ebay for Halloween. Between "Breaking Bad" and Ebola the sales are nuts.
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She is asymptomatic, though, and I think this whole thing is driven by fear rather than reason.
She is now. I guess when they first hit her with the thermometer at the airport she registered a temp of 101...she said she was angry and overheated. Quite possible, but I understand the fear, especially since they have one returning Dr. in the hospital now in NY (who showed no symptoms until about a week after his return), he had been out jogging, riding the subway, getting together with friends...etc.
Ebola is not spread easily, but it is spread through body fluids...so is a stomach virus...how many cruise ships have been sunk by one of those? Anyone who's ever cared for a sick kid under the age of 4 knows their fate with that and how easily bodily fluids can be exchanged. :P
In hindsight I should have bought some cheap hazmat suits...they have been selling like hotcakes on Ebay for Halloween. Between "Breaking Bad" and Ebola the sales are nuts.
I guess I'll have reason to reconsider my views if she actually does have Ebola. I find it unlikely, though, as her temp is supposedly normal now.
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Personally I think being pulled away from your life for three weeks straight for catching a disease that isn't actually all that easily spread sounds pretty fucked up indeed.
I agree.
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But rather counterproductive.
Oldest spent the first three weeks of military in quarantine as swine flu suspect; told her good. False alarm, life went on, everything's fine.
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(http://i0.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/000/808/132/0c6.jpg)
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What a drama queen. ::)
A nurse who was quarantined against her will in New Jersey after treating Ebola patients in West Africa will not obey officials' instructions to seclude herself at home in Maine, she and her lawyers said on NBC's "Today" show and in the Bangor Daily News.
One of the nurse's lawyers told CNN on Wednesday that they are trying to work with Maine officials to avoid escalating the situation.
The nurse, Kaci Hickox, returned to Maine on Monday after New Jersey authorities released her from a hospital tent where state officials kept her over the weekend as part of a new quarantine policy. She hired a lawyer and spoke out about her isolation and was then transported to Maine.
She has twice tested negative for the virus.
Maine officials have said that they would ask Hickox to quarantine herself at home until the passage of 21 days from her last possible contact with an Ebola patient, adding that they would make it involuntary if she resisted.
"Today" show host Matt Lauer on Wednesday asked her whether she planned to follow guidelines and finish that quarantine on November 10.
"I don't plan on sticking to the guidelines," she said. "I remain appalled by these home quarantine policies that have been forced upon me."
Send her "special" little ass back to the Ebola zone already. I bet they miss her. :zoinks:
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But rather counterproductive.
Oldest spent the first three weeks of military in quarantine as swine flu suspect; told her good. False alarm, life went on, everything's fine.
The difference, though, is that most of the people that would be quarantined are medical professionals.
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What a drama queen. ::)
A nurse who was quarantined against her will in New Jersey after treating Ebola patients in West Africa will not obey officials' instructions to seclude herself at home in Maine, she and her lawyers said on NBC's "Today" show and in the Bangor Daily News.
One of the nurse's lawyers told CNN on Wednesday that they are trying to work with Maine officials to avoid escalating the situation.
The nurse, Kaci Hickox, returned to Maine on Monday after New Jersey authorities released her from a hospital tent where state officials kept her over the weekend as part of a new quarantine policy. She hired a lawyer and spoke out about her isolation and was then transported to Maine.
She has twice tested negative for the virus.
Maine officials have said that they would ask Hickox to quarantine herself at home until the passage of 21 days from her last possible contact with an Ebola patient, adding that they would make it involuntary if she resisted.
"Today" show host Matt Lauer on Wednesday asked her whether she planned to follow guidelines and finish that quarantine on November 10.
"I don't plan on sticking to the guidelines," she said. "I remain appalled by these home quarantine policies that have been forced upon me."
Send her "special" little ass back to the Ebola zone already. I bet they miss her. :zoinks:
:dunno:
You have a society that encourages this sort of thing, from the legal action to the TV appearances. This is par for the course.
This drama is about fear, mostly unfounded.
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But rather counterproductive.
Oldest spent the first three weeks of military in quarantine as swine flu suspect; told her good. False alarm, life went on, everything's fine.
The difference, though, is that most of the people that would be quarantined are medical professionals.
Good.
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But rather counterproductive.
Oldest spent the first three weeks of military in quarantine as swine flu suspect; told her good. False alarm, life went on, everything's fine.
The difference, though, is that most of the people that would be quarantined are medical professionals.
Good.
Not particularly, if you want to have them continue helping out.
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Fear: North Korea will quarantine everyone coming from abroad for three weeks.
China apparently barely checks people coming in, and has trouble with hygiene in hospitals on top of that. Could be a new place for a bigger outbreak.
Maybe for healthworkers keeping track of their temperature for an elongated time would make sense. Some people have high temperatures by default, others have low temperatures by default. The latter could have a fever not noticed via protocol figures, where the former may be contained in quarantine when nothing is wrong.
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But rather counterproductive.
Oldest spent the first three weeks of military in quarantine as swine flu suspect; told her good. False alarm, life went on, everything's fine.
The difference, though, is that most of the people that would be quarantined are medical professionals.
Good.
Not particularly, if you want to have them continue helping out.
They could be quarantined to continue to help the infected. :laugh:
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Fear: North Korea will quarantine everyone coming from abroad for three weeks.
China apparently barely checks people coming in, and has trouble with hygiene in hospitals on top of that. Could be a new place for a bigger outbreak.
Maybe for healthworkers keeping track of their temperature for an elongated time would make sense. Some people have high temperatures by default, others have low temperatures by default. The latter could have a fever not noticed via protocol figures, where the former may be contained in quarantine when nothing is wrong.
In the case of the legal eagle nurse, apparently the equipment and method used at the airport was less than adequate. I get that they don't want to physically touch every individual at the checkpoint but they should know that it limits the usefulness of the test.
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But rather counterproductive.
Oldest spent the first three weeks of military in quarantine as swine flu suspect; told her good. False alarm, life went on, everything's fine.
The difference, though, is that most of the people that would be quarantined are medical professionals.
Good.
Not particularly, if you want to have them continue helping out.
They could be quarantined to continue to help the infected. :laugh:
In the US?
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But rather counterproductive.
Oldest spent the first three weeks of military in quarantine as swine flu suspect; told her good. False alarm, life went on, everything's fine.
The difference, though, is that most of the people that would be quarantined are medical professionals.
Good.
Not particularly, if you want to have them continue helping out.
They could be quarantined to continue to help the infected. :laugh:
In the US?
Not certain the country of circumstance matters.
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It's all a ancient alien plot :o
I got curious when I read that Israeli medical experts are training doctors in several African countries ( Guinea, Sierra Leone, Liberia, etc.) how to fight the deadly virus Ebola. Why Israelis would like to help Blacks whom they have been calling them “cancer” in Israel and are expelling them from Israel to other African countries like Uganda? Where the heck Israeli medical personal learned how to fight Ebola virus when there is not case of Ebola reported in Israel so far? The only logical answer to these valid questions, is that Israeli medical advisers are there to harvest human organs as they’re accused of doing in Haiti, Kosova, Ukraine, India, Palestine and many other places.
Link (http://uprootedpalestinians.blogspot.com/2014/10/ebola-ancient alien-depopulation-wmd.html)
It must be true I read it online :zoinks:
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:o
OMG.
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That site is hilarious. +