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Start here => Free For ALL => Topic started by: bodie on September 26, 2013, 08:45:58 AM
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Listening to Stephen Fry the other day talking about his suicidal feelings and his depression.
There was so many people saying things like "huh what has he got to be depressed about?"
Are we in the medieval ages, still? Should we get the leeches out.
It is a fucking illness. You wouldn't say to a diabetic "what have you got to be diabetic about?" would you?
Rant over. I do like Stephen Fry. :zoinks:
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A few years ago I had to explain depression to someone who didn't understand why an elderly friend
was depressed. She said the same thing --- what has he got to be depressed about? I told her
sometimes it just happens, it is something going wrong in the brain.
She really doesn't understand mental-health stuff in general. :nerdy:
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Never mind the NT majority. They are the real idiots. It just happens to be so that they are the majority.
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Never mind the NT majority. They are the real idiots. It just happens to be so that they are the majority.
I happen to think that idiocy knows no neurotype. My own life is filled with prime examples. :tard:
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Listening to Stephen Fry the other day talking about his suicidal feelings and his depression.
There was so many people saying things like "huh what has he got to be depressed about?"
Are we in the medieval ages, still? Should we get the leeches out.
It is a fucking illness. You wouldn't say to a diabetic "what have you got to be diabetic about?" would you?
Rant over. I do like Stephen Fry. :zoinks:
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I don't like whining. In fact I think there is a problem with misunderstanding mental health. A big one. Again, you'd have to come visit and let me show you what i'm talking about by taking you among my people to show you they are a distracted and whiny bunch of faggots.
There are trillions of worse things to be depressed about than a family member dying of natural causes. For real.
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Listening to Stephen Fry the other day talking about his suicidal feelings and his depression.
There was so many people saying things like "huh what has he got to be depressed about?"
Are we in the medieval ages, still? Should we get the leeches out.
It is a fucking illness. You wouldn't say to a diabetic "what have you got to be diabetic about?" would you?
Rant over. I do like Stephen Fry. :zoinks:
Oh, the "what have you got to be diabetic about" is just around the corner. So easy to tell people that their illness is their fault. Makes it more "doable" and "justifiable" to economise on healthcare too.
Morose, maybe.
But here, in the Netherlands, the government in her ultimate wisdom came with the idea that mental health-care for children is not part of healthcare. It should belong to well-fare and benefits, from January 2015 on. Stigmatising happens with a reason.
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Never mind the NT majority. They are the real idiots. It just happens to be so that they are the majority.
I happen to think that idiocy knows no neurotype. My own life is filled with prime examples. :tard:
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I definitely attach a stigma to mental health. If someone isn't at least slightly peculiar, I trust them a whole lot less.
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I definitely attach a stigma to mental health. If someone isn't at least slightly peculiar, I trust them a whole lot less.
:agreed: :plus:
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I am going back 20+ years now, when I was at school we had an American exchange student. She was talking on the bus about her family and she mentioned at least two people in her family who had been to see a psychiatrist. She spoke about it in a very positive way, like it was a normal thing to do. A good thing. She couldn't understand why there were sniggers.
I got the impression from that, and subsequent material on the TV that America has a much more positive view of mental health.
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I am going back 20+ years now, when I was at school we had an American exchange student. She was talking on the bus about her family and she mentioned at least two people in her family who had been to see a psychiatrist. She spoke about it in a very positive way, like it was a normal thing to do. A good thing. She couldn't understand why there were sniggers.
I got the impression from that, and subsequent material on the TV that America has a much more positive view of mental health.
There are differences between countries indeed. Saw a documentary about depression and tabu in Belgium, a while ago. The percentage of suicides is a lot higher there, because depression is something not talked about. Stigmatisation and making things tabu can be lethal.
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I am going back 20+ years now, when I was at school we had an American exchange student. She was talking on the bus about her family and she mentioned at least two people in her family who had been to see a psychiatrist. She spoke about it in a very positive way, like it was a normal thing to do. A good thing. She couldn't understand why there were sniggers.
I got the impression from that, and subsequent material on the TV that America has a much more positive view of mental health.
I have nothing at all against mental health. I just don't like people making mountains out of molehills.
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I can't speak for all of America, but Bodie's observation is mostly correct in my little corner. Among the young and socially liberal, mental health has as much "stigma" as a Catholic marrying a Protestant. It's not given a second thought. One thing that it can lead to is discomfort and oversensitivity if a normal person finds out about it. That's true with physical illnesses, too.
There are still some Archie Bunkers, though. ;) Some Americans frown on mental health, just as some frown on interracial marriage or religious conversion.
As long as the mentally ill like guns. :zoinks:
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In all seriousness, the stigma depends on the diagnosis. You will get a different reaction if you say you have depression or ADHD from what you'll get if you say you have schizophrenia or autism.
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In all seriousness, the stigma depends on the diagnosis. You will get a different reaction if you say you have depression or ADHD from what you'll get if you say you have schizophrenia or autism.
Exactly. Theres a difference between someone who thinks they're a glass of orange juice and if they tip over they'll die, and someone with ADD who gets a little distracted from time to time. Cold hard reality of it, one of those people needs more help, and when the other makes their DEBILITATING illness into a huge fucking deal and tries to socially engineer disproportionate sympathy for themselves, its a fucking problem man.
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In all seriousness, the stigma depends on the diagnosis. You will get a different reaction if you say you have depression or ADHD from what you'll get if you say you have schizophrenia or autism.
Exactly. Theres a difference between someone who thinks they're a glass of orange juice and if they tip over they'll die, and someone with ADD who gets a little distracted from time to time. Cold hard reality of it, one of those people needs more help, and when the other makes their DEBILITATING illness into a huge fucking deal and tries to socially engineer disproportionate sympathy for themselves, its a fucking problem man.
Are you speaking of ADD'ers?
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In all seriousness, the stigma depends on the diagnosis. You will get a different reaction if you say you have depression or ADHD from what you'll get if you say you have schizophrenia or autism.
Exactly. Theres a difference between someone who thinks they're a glass of orange juice and if they tip over they'll die, and someone with ADD who gets a little distracted from time to time. Cold hard reality of it, one of those people needs more help, and when the other makes their DEBILITATING illness into a huge fucking deal and tries to socially engineer disproportionate sympathy for themselves, its a fucking problem man.
Are you speaking of ADD'ers?
I'm speaking about a lot of things dude. A lot of what would be considered minor problems have become a fucking GOLD MINE for pharmaceutical companies and such.
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'But I don't want to go among mad people,' Alice remarked.
'Oh, you can't help that,' said the Cat: 'we're all mad here. I'm mad. You're mad.'
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In all seriousness, the stigma depends on the diagnosis. You will get a different reaction if you say you have depression or ADHD from what you'll get if you say you have schizophrenia or autism.
Exactly. Theres a difference between someone who thinks they're a glass of orange juice and if they tip over they'll die, and someone with ADD who gets a little distracted from time to time. Cold hard reality of it, one of those people needs more help, and when the other makes their DEBILITATING illness into a huge fucking deal and tries to socially engineer disproportionate sympathy for themselves, its a fucking problem man.
Are you speaking of ADD'ers?
I'm speaking about a lot of things dude. A lot of what would be considered minor problems have become a fucking GOLD MINE for pharmaceutical companies and such.
Adult ADD has been very heavily marketed, along with the drugs that "fix" it. And because we have a medical model of disability rather than a social one, it works very effectively. No one questions being in an environment where they have to be constantly amped up on ritalin in order to succeed. Rather than being in the wrong environment, they have a personal medical problem that ritalin fixes.
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'But I don't want to go among mad people,' Alice remarked.
'Oh, you can't help that,' said the Cat: 'we're all mad here. I'm mad. You're mad.'
Love that.
Stolen :D
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Seriously? Stigma attached to mental health? :orly:
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'But I don't want to go among mad people,' Alice remarked.
'Oh, you can't help that,' said the Cat: 'we're all mad here. I'm mad. You're mad.'
Love that.
Stolen :D
:)
'How do you know I’m mad?' said Alice.
'You must be,' said the Cat, 'or you wouldn’t have come here.'
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'But I don't want to go among mad people,' Alice remarked.
'Oh, you can't help that,' said the Cat: 'we're all mad here. I'm mad. You're mad.'
Love that.
Stolen :D
:)
'How do you know I’m mad?' said Alice.
'You must be,' said the Cat, 'or you wouldn’t have come here.'
Quit being so stigmatic, Jack. :hahaha:
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Is there a stigma attached to mental health?
Of course there is. Most of the members here have not disclosed that they are on the spectrum to others than really close friends and family, if even that. And, for a good reason too.
But, about our kids, if we have them, schools know, the system knows. Our kids will have a lot to battle against, because of the stigmatisation. Some of us are known adults on the spectrum. And yes, I do notice the downsides of being a known spectrumite. I find it easier to disclose my own autism than that of my daughter. Because I do not want her stigmatised about what I told about her. She can disclose to who she feels safe to do so.
It sucks, but if none of us come out, it will be all up to our kids, to battle the stigmas attached to their labels.
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Only one person at my job knows, mostly because I question the dx myself and wonder if I have any right
to claim it. I have gotten very socially skilled, largely through having the same workplace for so many years and spending
all that time observing the same people in every mood and situation. I sometimes think if I were really on the spectrum,
I wouldn't have the ability to acquire social skills. Also, I am inarticulate at explaining autism and what aspects of it
I actually have. Maybe I'm a fraud. I'm more afraid of being a fraud than I ever was of being on the spectrum. :autism:
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Only one person at my job knows, mostly because I question the dx myself and wonder if I have any right
to claim it. I have gotten very socially skilled, largely through having the same workplace for so many years and spending
all that time observing the same people in every mood and situation. I sometimes think if I were really on the spectrum,
I wouldn't have the ability to acquire social skills. Also, I am inarticulate at explaining autism and what aspects of it
I actually have. Maybe I'm a fraud. I'm more afraid of being a fraud than I ever was of being on the spectrum. :autism:
I don't think you are a fraud. It is possible to actively acquire skills. They did not come "naturally". But no matter what, you are a treasure. And you probably are at work too.
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Only one person at my job knows, mostly because I question the dx myself and wonder if I have any right
to claim it. I have gotten very socially skilled, largely through having the same workplace for so many years and spending
all that time observing the same people in every mood and situation. I sometimes think if I were really on the spectrum,
I wouldn't have the ability to acquire social skills. Also, I am inarticulate at explaining autism and what aspects of it
I actually have. Maybe I'm a fraud. I'm more afraid of being a fraud than I ever was of being on the spectrum. :autism:
I don't think you are a fraud. It is possible to actively acquire skills. They did not come "naturally". But no matter what, you are a treasure. And you probably are at work too.
Dear cow, I will take your word for it. :cbc: :heart: :hyke:
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I'll admit, I don't understand depression 100% myself, so I'm probably not as apathetic as someone else would be.
Sure I've been depressed, but I keep it to myself, that's how I was raised.
I was always told "if you think you have it bad, someone else has it worse". My dad had a zero tolerance level for whining. If you moaned when you were sick, you had better be close to dying. It was how he was raised...and it just got passed down.
Hell, my father though fibro was "the depressed housewife syndrome" and if anyone hurt all over they were making it up, I think my mother had it...I think I probably developed it in my 20's...but denied anything for years...I still do. You got up every day, poured yourself a big cup of "harden the fuck up" and got on with life...even if you had to crawl to do it.
Depression runs in the family with the ex...his father will lay in bed for days on end at times...and if they get sick you would swear they're dying. Even after 14 years I will admit, I still don't "get it" totally...but I try.
If we were all raised in the same world the same way maybe the stigmas and intolerance wouldn't exist...but we're not...so they do, and I think they will always continue to "be"...to some point anyways.
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Only one person at my job knows, mostly because I question the dx myself and wonder if I have any right
to claim it. I have gotten very socially skilled, largely through having the same workplace for so many years and spending
all that time observing the same people in every mood and situation. I sometimes think if I were really on the spectrum,
I wouldn't have the ability to acquire social skills. Also, I am inarticulate at explaining autism and what aspects of it
I actually have. Maybe I'm a fraud. I'm more afraid of being a fraud than I ever was of being on the spectrum. :autism:
I don't think you are a fraud. It is possible to actively acquire skills. They did not come "naturally". But no matter what, you are a treasure. And you probably are at work too.
Dear cow, I will take your word for it. :cbc: :heart: :hyke:
You are one of us, CBC. :grouphug: :)
Don't forget, we are the socially able aspergic elite. :zoinks:
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I am going back 20+ years now, when I was at school we had an American exchange student. She was talking on the bus about her family and she mentioned at least two people in her family who had been to see a psychiatrist. She spoke about it in a very positive way, like it was a normal thing to do. A good thing. She couldn't understand why there were sniggers.
I got the impression from that, and subsequent material on the TV that America has a much more positive view of mental health.
I have nothing at all against mental health. I just don't like people making mountains out of molehills.
???
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Only one person at my job knows, mostly because I question the dx myself and wonder if I have any right
to claim it. I have gotten very socially skilled, largely through having the same workplace for so many years and spending
all that time observing the same people in every mood and situation. I sometimes think if I were really on the spectrum,
I wouldn't have the ability to acquire social skills. Also, I am inarticulate at explaining autism and what aspects of it
I actually have. Maybe I'm a fraud. I'm more afraid of being a fraud than I ever was of being on the spectrum. :autism:
I don't think you are a fraud. It is possible to actively acquire skills. They did not come "naturally". But no matter what, you are a treasure. And you probably are at work too.
Dear cow, I will take your word for it. :cbc: :heart: :hyke:
You are one of us, CBC. :grouphug: :)
Don't forget, we are the socially able aspergic elite. :zoinks:
You're not. :hahaha:
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Only one person at my job knows, mostly because I question the dx myself and wonder if I have any right
to claim it. I have gotten very socially skilled, largely through having the same workplace for so many years and spending
all that time observing the same people in every mood and situation. I sometimes think if I were really on the spectrum,
I wouldn't have the ability to acquire social skills. Also, I am inarticulate at explaining autism and what aspects of it
I actually have. Maybe I'm a fraud. I'm more afraid of being a fraud than I ever was of being on the spectrum. :autism:
I don't think you are a fraud. It is possible to actively acquire skills. They did not come "naturally". But no matter what, you are a treasure. And you probably are at work too.
Dear cow, I will take your word for it. :cbc: :heart: :hyke:
You are one of us, CBC. :grouphug: :)
Don't forget, we are the socially able aspergic elite. :zoinks:
You're not. :hahaha:
I have a title and a decoder ring that say otherwise. :M
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Your title doesn't mention the elite. :M
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Your title doesn't mention the elite. :M
"The Punctuated Equilibrium Of The Aspie Elite" :M
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Your title doesn't mention the elite. :M
"The Punctuated Equilibrium Of The Aspie Elite" :M
Bloody hell, I read the text below the avatar. I humbly apologise for my apparent lack of reading comprehension.
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Your title doesn't mention the elite. :M
"The Punctuated Equilibrium Of The Aspie Elite" :M
Bloody hell, I read the text below the avatar. I humbly apologise for my apparent lack of reading comprehension.
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u suck niggers I am real supersand
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Of course there is. once your not like someone else people get angry
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Of course there is. once your not like someone else people get angry
Darn you jesse you am no real supersand
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Of course there is. once your not like someone else people get angry
Darn you jesse you am no real supersand
Indeed not, he is a baby giraffe! :thumbup:
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Borderline Personality Disorder suffers from stigma. Within the mental health system. I have heard a patient say about another patient, "Stay away from her, she has BPD."
Takes ages to get any treatment for it. I was on a list to get DBT or schema therapy. I went to the preliminary interview back in April and haven't heard anything since. And stupid me lost their number. I heard through my uni tutor that the treatment has already started. Sucks to be me.
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Yes, stay away from BPD diagnosed women and relationships. It is too unpredictable. Resort to rational prejudice.
In my experience, BPD is 'overdiagnosed' nowadays. I have met many people who don't really qualify for the diagnosis and wouldn't have been diagnosed 10-20 years back for that reason. Diagnosing has gotten to a whole new level. One person here was diagnosed with tobacco addiction and atypical anorexia recently, for having lost a bit of weight fast and being a smoker .. Not to mention that person is a very moderate smoker with ideal BMI.
So probably the majority of people with the diagnosis are not actually the embodiment of evil. If the women appear unusually (sexually) attractive for reasons not entirely apparent, I suggest that is the biggest warning sign and one of the most noticeable warning signs that any woman has the evil kind of BPD, if you have ever experienced it and know what I mean exactly.
There are enough masochists and other BPD people in the world they can have relationships with. Also studies show: BPD people do way better in relationships with their own kind.
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Troll.
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Troll.
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I'm clearly not a troll. You're obviously trolling Renaeden; she hasn't done anything to you.
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Troll.
Crybaby emo pedo troll doesn't like BPD people. :hahaha:
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Troll.
Sockpuppet.
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I'm clearly not a troll. You're obviously trolling Renaeden; she hasn't done anything to you.
You were trolling my post by trying to devalue what I said, based on nothing. I have lived with the mentally ill for a majority of my life. I have seen many BPD people and many relationships in close detail. I have read the damn studies. What I said is based on realistic judgment. And then someone who just doesn't like it comes along and writes "Troll.". My post doesn't contain any elements of trolling. You can't just claim that people are trolling if you are uncomfortable with their opinions, judgment or experiences. That is trolling.
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I'm clearly not a troll. You're obviously trolling Renaeden; she hasn't done anything to you.
You were trolling my post by trying to devalue what I said, based on nothing. I have lived with the mentally ill for a majority of my life. I have seen many BPD people and many relationships in close detail. I have read the damn studies. What I said is based on realistic judgment. And then someone who just doesn't like it comes along and writes "Troll.". My post doesn't contain any elements of trolling. You can't just claim that people are trolling if you are uncomfortable with their opinions, judgment or experiences. That is trolling.
Thinking you were trolling renaeden with armchair psychobabble, Dr. Troll. That's what I think, you're trolling renaeden, and you wouldn't have said that if she hadn't posted. My opinion is based on realistic judgement; Jack is an intellectual woman, and she thinks that's what you're doing, Dr. Troll.
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I'm clearly not a troll. You're obviously trolling Renaeden; she hasn't done anything to you.
You were trolling my post by trying to devalue what I said, based on nothing. I have lived with the mentally ill for a majority of my life. I have seen many BPD people and many relationships in close detail. I have read the damn studies. What I said is based on realistic judgment. And then someone who just doesn't like it comes along and writes "Troll.". My post doesn't contain any elements of trolling. You can't just claim that people are trolling if you are uncomfortable with their opinions, judgment or experiences. That is trolling.
Jack trolls you?
So you troll Renaeden as your revenge?
Asshole.
Coward asshole.
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I am blind to trolling, I just don't see it.
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I am blind to trolling, I just don't see it. :shrug:
:hug: Welcome back.
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Thanks Jack, it is good to see you around too. :)
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I don't even know what you are talking about.
All I can see is that all those troll dynamics are having a pretty negative impact on the quality of conversation here.
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I don't even know what you are talking about.
All I can see is that all those troll dynamics are having a pretty negative impact on the quality of conversation here.
Asshole
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I don't even know what you are talking about.
Meh. Sometimes people don't, like those people who have to tell me how intelligent they are.
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I don't even know what you are talking about.
Stupid troll can't understand Jack. :hahaha:
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I don't understand things that make no real sense.
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Also studies show: BPD people do way better in relationships with their own kind.
Source?
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I read that over 10 years ago and can't find it. So either look yourself or ignore. Can't back that up.
But if you are around BPD forums you will often hear that two BPD people have had more success and longer relationships than usual. Depends of course on the people and how their condition differs individually. It can also go in the entirely opposite direction. Imo many people diagnosed nowadays with BPD are 'not really' BPD, at least not anywhere near as severely as it used to be diagnosed. They just have whatever issues that fit nowhere else. It has become kind of a sink for having some 'personality disorder not-yet-invented'.
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I don't understand things that make no real sense.
You must really suck if Jack wont even give you a chance. She loves everyone. :hahaha:
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I tend to always offend women on first sight, no matter if I do anything wrong. So if she is female, it could possibly make sense that she is was just trolling because she was being offended.
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Tell him more about me, Dr. Troll.
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Do you mean me or the actual troll?
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Do you mean me or the actual troll?
Yeah, she meant me, because I was talking shit like I know what she feels. :tard:
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Do you mean me or the actual troll?
According to Dr. retardo here, you can call anyone who doesn't like you a troll. For example:
*young gentleman has gone to the grocery store, he is pushing his cart down the lane, marking items off his list. He is not paying ettention to where he is going. Suddenly, he bumps into someone with his cart.*
Stranger: "HEY! Watch where you're going, asshole!"
Dfgl: "Omg leave me alone you troll, quit trolling me! I'll call the police!"
:wanker:
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I call any strikingly disruptive, non-contributing behavior that could not have emerged other than by ignoring realistically obtainable better knowledge trolling, especially and only if it involves some spamming, clearly illogical arguments and even more strikingly illogical arguments made to look like they are making sense, by focusing on group mentalities and other arguments or emotional inclinations suitable and misusable to quickly make people jump to the false conclusions. Of course this is not to be understood in a fuzzy manner, but in a very strict sense.
This is contrary to the more popular definition which is entirely based on the presumed intent of the poster to make people upset or invoke negative emotional responses by whatever means. That definition could easily be misused to invalidate and dismiss legitimate statements and equally it allows the troll to mask their behavior by misrepresenting their interpreted intention. The definition I propose on the other hand tries to only focus on the pragmatic reality and effective outcome of any interaction (which the popular definition as equally aims at), but by entirely ignoring the intentions of any troll.
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That was a good example of trolling.
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I call any strikingly disruptive, non-contributing behavior that could not have emerged other than by ignoring realistically obtainable better knowledge trolling, especially and only if it involves some spamming, clearly illogical arguments and even more strikingly illogical arguments made to look like they are making sense, by focusing on group mentalities and other arguments or emotional inclinations suitable and misusable to quickly make people jump to the false conclusions. Of course this is not to be understood in a fuzzy manner, but in a very strict sense.
This is contrary to the more popular definition which is entirely based on the presumed intent of the poster to make people upset or invoke negative emotional responses by whatever means. That definition could easily be misused to invalidate and dismiss legitimate statements and equally it allows the troll to mask their behavior by misrepresenting their interpreted intention. The definition I propose on the other hand tries to only focus on the pragmatic reality and effective outcome of any interaction (which the popular definition as equally aims at), but by entirely ignoring the intentions of any troll.
You should take Gary and Zeg's advice, and just stop it. Stop fighting your place here. You're new, and you've barged in making some rude generalizations about the membership as a whole. Why are you here if everyone is so far beneath you? Don't you know your place, n00b? You're a n00b, people don't know you, and even when we do know you, you still may not be the 'most' of anything around here. PPK is right, you just want to be something here, the most intelligent, gifted, philosophical, mysterious, the most horribly misunderstood. That will take time. Just stop it.
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I call any strikingly disruptive, non-contributing behavior that could not have emerged other than by ignoring realistically obtainable better knowledge trolling, especially and only if it involves some spamming, clearly illogical arguments and even more strikingly illogical arguments made to look like they are making sense, by focusing on group mentalities and other arguments or emotional inclinations suitable and misusable to quickly make people jump to the false conclusions. Of course this is not to be understood in a fuzzy manner, but in a very strict sense.
This is contrary to the more popular definition which is entirely based on the presumed intent of the poster to make people upset or invoke negative emotional responses by whatever means. That definition could easily be misused to invalidate and dismiss legitimate statements and equally it allows the troll to mask their behavior by misrepresenting their interpreted intention. The definition I propose on the other hand tries to only focus on the pragmatic reality and effective outcome of any interaction (which the popular definition as equally aims at), but by entirely ignoring the intentions of any troll.
You should take Gary and Zeg's advice, and just stop it. Stop fighting your place here. You're new, and you've barged in making some rude generalizations about the membership as a whole. Why are you here if everyone is so far beneath you? Don't you know your place, n00b? You're a n00b, people don't know you, and even when we do know you, you still may not be the 'most' of anything around here. PPK is right, you just want to be something here, the most intelligent, gifted, philosophical, mysterious, the most horribly misunderstood. That will take time. Just stop it.
Kind of reminds me of Meadow! :zoinks:
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I call any strikingly disruptive, non-contributing behavior that could not have emerged other than by ignoring realistically obtainable better knowledge trolling, especially and only if it involves some spamming, clearly illogical arguments and even more strikingly illogical arguments made to look like they are making sense, by focusing on group mentalities and other arguments or emotional inclinations suitable and misusable to quickly make people jump to the false conclusions. Of course this is not to be understood in a fuzzy manner, but in a very strict sense.
This is contrary to the more popular definition which is entirely based on the presumed intent of the poster to make people upset or invoke negative emotional responses by whatever means. That definition could easily be misused to invalidate and dismiss legitimate statements and equally it allows the troll to mask their behavior by misrepresenting their interpreted intention. The definition I propose on the other hand tries to only focus on the pragmatic reality and effective outcome of any interaction (which the popular definition as equally aims at), but by entirely ignoring the intentions of any troll.
You should take Gary and Zeg's advice, and just stop it. Stop fighting your place here. You're new, and you've barged in making some rude generalizations about the membership as a whole. Why are you here if everyone is so far beneath you? Don't you know your place, n00b? You're a n00b, people don't know you, and even when we do know you, you still may not be the 'most' of anything around here. PPK is right, you just want to be something here, the most intelligent, gifted, philosophical, mysterious, the most horribly misunderstood. That will take time. Just stop it.
I wouldn't give a shit if he was a five thousand year old sage. He greatly overestimates his value as a single human being out of billions of us. He constantly alludes to his worth, reminding everyone how "intelligent" he is (give me a fucking break), while at the same time stretching his statements out over several paragraphs, obviously googling new words, since last time he posted it took him like thirty minutes.
What a sack of shit. Get over yourself, you little punk. You're not impressing anyone. I'm actually really disappointed you didn't make the trek all the way here to fight me. I would have really enjoyed breaking all your fingers off.
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Oh there he goes again. I see him quoting a post. Don't wait up for him though, the fucker takes about thirty minutes a fucking post, because he wants it it appear as "intelligent" as he possibly can.
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You should take Gary and Zeg's advice, and just stop it. Stop fighting your place here. You're new, and you've barged in making some rude generalizations about the membership as a whole. Why are you here if everyone is so far beneath you? Don't you know your place, n00b? You're a n00b, people don't know you, and even when we do know you, you still may not be the 'most' of anything around here. PPK is right, you just want to be something here, the most intelligent, gifted, philosophical, mysterious, the most horribly misunderstood. That will take time. Just stop it.
I am not claiming to be superior other than if it is, that you see that this was an implication of a logical conclusion I drew. And I am only drawing the conclusion I do because it is to my best knowledge and not to my most socially appropriate knowledge. I am speaking my mind here, but it is all honest and I don't try to misrepresent things for social reasons or to put myself in a better light. I do try however to present things, which are actually true, to put myself in a better light. Mostly though, because the light I have been put into was some retarded idea of some pig/Buttcoffee mutation pedophile mentally deranged sockpuppet troll whatever person, based on statements of mine put out of context, misrepresented, falsely simplified or otherwise distorted things. I just do compulsory argue about everything I was involved in until I said everything to correct what I see wrong with it.
What you loosely framed as fighting for a place into the social hirachy is in fact entirely irrelevant to me, besides that I don't believe that it is much relevant to internet forums anyway. It sounds about as inflated to me as an argument as saying that I am rude, on a forum where people constantly label each other as asshats and retards and spam shit like Rage just did.
What it actually is, is that I am fighting for making sense of you people and to understand you better, on the basis of rationally arguing about it, and I am putting that above every other social motivation there may be. Maybe sadly that has largely suppressed other social interest I have here, such as talking about the threads I opened and issues I raised, which have been mostly trolled right from the beginning.
But either way, it makes me learn and despite the difficulties, I like to interact here. That is why there is no reason to go.
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@RageBeoulve:
I like to think before I speak and also learn if possible. I often appeal to intelligence and insult based on it, but I don't praise myself with it.
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You should take Gary and Zeg's advice, and just stop it. Stop fighting your place here. You're new, and you've barged in making some rude generalizations about the membership as a whole. Why are you here if everyone is so far beneath you? Don't you know your place, n00b? You're a n00b, people don't know you, and even when we do know you, you still may not be the 'most' of anything around here. PPK is right, you just want to be something here, the most intelligent, gifted, philosophical, mysterious, the most horribly misunderstood. That will take time. Just stop it.
I am not claiming to be superior other than if it is, that you see that this was an implication of a logical conclusion I drew. And I am only drawing the conclusion I do because it is to my best knowledge and not to my most socially appropriate knowledge. I am speaking my mind here, but it is all honest and I don't try to misrepresent things for social reasons or to put myself in a better light. I do try however to present things, which are actually true, to put myself in a better light. Mostly though, because the light I have been put into was some retarded idea of some pig/Buttcoffee mutation pedophile mentally deranged sockpuppet troll whatever person, based on statements of mine put out of context, misrepresented, falsely simplified or otherwise distorted things. I just do compulsory argue about everything I was involved in until I said everything to correct what I see wrong with it.
What you loosely framed as fighting for a place into the social hirachy is in fact entirely irrelevant to me, besides that I don't believe that it is much relevant to internet forums anyway. It sounds about as inflated to me as an argument as saying that I am rude, on a forum where people constantly label each other as asshats and retards and spam shit like Rage just did.
What it actually is, is that I am fighting for making sense of you people and to understand you better, on the basis of rationally arguing about it, and I am putting that above every other social motivation there may be. Maybe sadly that has largely suppressed other social interest I have here, such as talking about the threads I opened and issues I raised, which have been mostly trolled right from the beginning.
But either way, it makes me learn and despite the difficulties, I like to interact here. That is why there is no reason to go.
Fine. I'm wrong. Everyone but you is wrong. "The Most Horribly Misunderstood" it is. You should request it as you custom title. Jack still agrees with Zeg and Gary. Go fuck yourself, Puke. :hahaha:
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@RageBeoulve:
I like to think before I speak and also learn if possible. I often appeal to intelligence and insult based on it, but I don't praise myself with it.
On a board for spazzes. On the internet. Yeah you're totally not putting forth a "persona".
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I am too stupid for MENSA, too lazy to cheat the test and I don't know where else to go. Generally the more intelligent the people are, the less biased the discussions will be if tackling politically sensitive or otherwise somewhat sensitive subjects. Topics such as the race/gender IQ gap or pedophilia. But there is only a correlation to that as far as I can see. People of high IQs are still like normal NT people, they just understand everything more and better by default without being emotional about it. They are not born dedicated to just try that. I don't like normal people and I can't understand that which makes them normal either way.
Also, this forum is uncensored and seeks to develop new ideas. I find that most important.
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I am too stupid for MENSA, too lazy to cheat the test and I don't know where else to go. Generally the more intelligent the people are, the less biased the discussions will be if tackling politically sensitive or otherwise somewhat sensitive subjects. Topics such as the race/gender IQ gap or pedophilia. But there is only a correlation to that as far as I can see. People of high IQs are still like normal NT people, they just understand everything more and better by default without being emotional about it. They are not born dedicated to just try that. I don't like normal people and I can't understand that which makes them normal either way.
Also, this forum is uncensored and seeks to develop new ideas. I find that most important.
When you come up with some new ideas, let me know.
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I did last week. I will make a thread.
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I never understood why anyone would want to join MENSA.
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I never understood why anyone would want to join MENSA.
I've only ever known one MENSA member. She was too smart for me to understand either. :hahaha:
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I never understood why anyone would want to join MENSA.
I've only ever known one MENSA member. She was too smart for me to understand either. :hahaha:
:tard:
A friend of mine is a member. I've asked him about it but never gotten a satisfactory answer.
I can understand joining a chess club or a golf club. You actually do something, there is an interest you share with like-minded people. Stamps, sure. Ship models, yes. Writer's workshops, why not? But MENSA? You take a test and happen to hit the top 2%.
To me it seems to be about showing off to the people who can't join.
Anyone here a member? If so, why did you join? What do you get out of it?
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I don't think I am smart enough to join. Do they have good snacks at the meetings? :tard:
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I never understood why anyone would want to join MENSA.
I've only ever known one MENSA member. She was too smart for me to understand either. :hahaha:
:tard:
A friend of mine is a member. I've asked him about it but never gotten a satisfactory answer.
I can understand joining a chess club or a golf club. You actually do something, there is an interest you share with like-minded people. Stamps, sure. Ship models, yes. Writer's workshops, why not? But MENSA? You take a test and happen to hit the top 2%.
To me it seems to be about showing off to the people who can't join.
Anyone here a member? If so, why did you join? What do you get out of it?
I don't know how it works, but I'm pretty sure she met regularly with a small group of other smarty pants. It was a really long time ago. I never thought to ask if it was just an ego thing. She never came across as the snooty ego type. :dunno:
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To me it seems to be about showing off to the people who can't join.
Anyone here a member? If so, why did you join? What do you get out of it?
I could join but I haven't. I think they send you free puzzlebooks and stuff.
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To me it seems to be about showing off to the people who can't join.
Anyone here a member? If so, why did you join? What do you get out of it?
I could join but I haven't. I think they send you free puzzlebooks and stuff.
An elite bookclub, then?
I could join, too, but I don't see the point. I don't bond with people, especially not over a number I got in a test.
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Something like that. And the bragging rights. :P
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Something like that. And the bragging rights. :P
That's a good point. The person I knew wasn't a bragger, but she was competitive with her sister.
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It's written proof you have a brain so that when you're sitting around in a home drooling and talking to the plants people will know. :autism:
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It's written proof you have a brain so that when you're sitting around in a home drooling and talking to the plants people will know. :autism:
That's actually a good point. :laugh:
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It's written proof you have a brain so that when you're sitting around in a home drooling and talking to the plants people will know. :autism:
I had a concussion, to prove the existence of my brain. :tard:
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It's written proof you have a brain so that when you're sitting around in a home drooling and talking to the plants people will know. :autism:
I had a concussion, to prove the existence of my brain. :tard:
What did it do to your IQ?
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It's written proof you have a brain so that when you're sitting around in a home drooling and talking to the plants people will know. :autism:
I had a concussion, to prove the existence of my brain. :tard:
What did it do to your IQ?
Id did not prove anything about my IQ. And I don't know what it did to it. Should I get it tested again?
It was disastrous for my executive functioning and my communication skills. Imagine that, I was already autistic before the concussion too.
:flyingbat:
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I can't join Mensa. My IQ is not high enough. By quite a bit. I think it would be cool to be that smart though.
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It's written proof you have a brain so that when you're sitting around in a home drooling and talking to the plants people will know. :autism:
I had a concussion, to prove the existence of my brain. :tard:
What did it do to your IQ?
Id did not prove anything about my IQ. And I don't know what it did to it. Should I get it tested again?
It was disastrous for my executive functioning and my communication skills. Imagine that, I was already autistic before the concussion too.
:flyingbat:
Maybe if you tried again...?
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I can't join Mensa. My IQ is not high enough. By quite a bit. I think it would be cool to be that smart though.
They are :nerdy:
Most of them aren't anarchists, which proves that IQ isn't proportionaly equated to insight :M
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I can't join Mensa. My IQ is not high enough. By quite a bit. I think it would be cool to be that smart though.
They are :nerdy:
Most of them aren't anarchists, which proves that IQ isn't proportionaly equated to insight :M
It proves they are smart enough to recognise BS. :zoinks:
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Let's see...Lysander Spooner was an individual anarchist. He managed to force the congress of Massachusetts to change the law, so he could work as a lawyer without having ever studied at law school. He also opened the first private mail service in the world, that worked perfectly fine until the cunts in the US government shut it down.
I'm pretty sure most of the Mensa nerds haven't accomplished half of that.
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I bet my man Stephen Hawking doesn't give two shits about mensa.
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Let's see...Lysander Spooner was an individual anarchist. He managed to force the congress of Massachusetts to change the law, so he could work as a lawyer without having ever studied at law school. He also opened the first private mail service in the world, that worked perfectly fine until the cunts in the US government shut it down.
I'm pretty sure most of the Mensa nerds haven't accomplished half of that.
So what you are saying is that he was a moron but managed all that? :zoinks:
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I bet my man Stephen Hawking doesn't give two shits about mensa.
He can't leaf through the crossword puzzles. What did you expect?
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Let's see...Lysander Spooner was an individual anarchist. He managed to force the congress of Massachusetts to change the law, so he could work as a lawyer without having ever studied at law school. He also opened the first private mail service in the world, that worked perfectly fine until the cunts in the US government shut it down.
I'm pretty sure most of the Mensa nerds haven't accomplished half of that.
So what you are saying is that he was a moron but managed all that? :zoinks:
No, I'm rather saying that you can be an individual anarchist and pretty much in touch with reality.
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Let's see...Lysander Spooner was an individual anarchist. He managed to force the congress of Massachusetts to change the law, so he could work as a lawyer without having ever studied at law school. He also opened the first private mail service in the world, that worked perfectly fine until the cunts in the US government shut it down.
I'm pretty sure most of the Mensa nerds haven't accomplished half of that.
So what you are saying is that he was a moron but managed all that? :zoinks:
No, I'm rather saying that you can be an individual anarchist and pretty much in touch with reality.
I'm sorry, I thought we were discussing high IQs.
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Let's see...Lysander Spooner was an individual anarchist. He managed to force the congress of Massachusetts to change the law, so he could work as a lawyer without having ever studied at law school. He also opened the first private mail service in the world, that worked perfectly fine until the cunts in the US government shut it down.
I'm pretty sure most of the Mensa nerds haven't accomplished half of that.
So what you are saying is that he was a moron but managed all that? :zoinks:
No, I'm rather saying that you can be an individual anarchist and pretty much in touch with reality.
I'm sorry, I thought we were discussing high IQs.
I don't know anything about Spooner's IQ but he managed to accomplish those things mentioned.
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/shrug
You were the one to say "Most of them aren't anarchists, which proves that IQ isn't proportionaly equated to insight"
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I bet my man Stephen Hawking doesn't give two shits about mensa.
He can't leaf through the crossword puzzles. What did you expect?
Even if he could, I bet he'd be more interested in trying to figure out where black holes go or something.
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I bet my man Stephen Hawking doesn't give two shits about mensa.
He can't leaf through the crossword puzzles. What did you expect?
Even if he could, I bet he'd be more interested in trying to figure out where black holes go or something.
Or answer the question "How many black holes does it take to change a light bulb?"
None. There's a reason they are called BLACK holes.
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It's written proof you have a brain so that when you're sitting around in a home drooling and talking to the plants people will know. :autism:
I had a concussion, to prove the existence of my brain. :tard:
What did it do to your IQ?
Id did not prove anything about my IQ. And I don't know what it did to it. Should I get it tested again?
It was disastrous for my executive functioning and my communication skills. Imagine that, I was already autistic before the concussion too.
:flyingbat:
Maybe if you tried again...?
Another concussion? Makes me think of Asterix and Obelix treating a druid.
I'll pass.
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I bet my man Stephen Hawking doesn't give two shits about mensa.
He can't leaf through the crossword puzzles. What did you expect?
Even if he could, I bet he'd be more interested in trying to figure out where black holes go or something.
Or answer the question "How many black holes does it take to change a light bulb?"
None. There's a reason they are called BLACK holes.
YEAH. He wouldn't care about stupid old mensa.
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I never understood why anyone would want to join MENSA.
I've only ever known one MENSA member. She was too smart for me to understand either. :hahaha:
:tard:
A friend of mine is a member. I've asked him about it but never gotten a satisfactory answer.
I can understand joining a chess club or a golf club. You actually do something, there is an interest you share with like-minded people. Stamps, sure. Ship models, yes. Writer's workshops, why not? But MENSA? You take a test and happen to hit the top 2%.
To me it seems to be about showing off to the people who can't join.
Anyone here a member? If so, why did you join? What do you get out of it?
High IQ can be like autism, only that you are not disabled. That's why you want to be around those people.
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It's written proof you have a brain so that when you're sitting around in a home drooling and talking to the plants people will know. :autism:
I had a concussion, to prove the existence of my brain. :tard:
What did it do to your IQ?
Id did not prove anything about my IQ. And I don't know what it did to it. Should I get it tested again?
It was disastrous for my executive functioning and my communication skills. Imagine that, I was already autistic before the concussion too.
:flyingbat:
Maybe if you tried again...?
Another concussion? Makes me think of Asterix and Obelix treating a druid.
I'll pass.
You have to admire their logic, though.
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I never understood why anyone would want to join MENSA.
I've only ever known one MENSA member. She was too smart for me to understand either. :hahaha:
:tard:
A friend of mine is a member. I've asked him about it but never gotten a satisfactory answer.
I can understand joining a chess club or a golf club. You actually do something, there is an interest you share with like-minded people. Stamps, sure. Ship models, yes. Writer's workshops, why not? But MENSA? You take a test and happen to hit the top 2%.
To me it seems to be about showing off to the people who can't join.
Anyone here a member? If so, why did you join? What do you get out of it?
High IQ can be like autism, only that you are not disabled. That's why you want to be around those people.
Eh? Were you trying to make sense again?
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That didn't make sense to you?
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Nope. Do you want to translate it?
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Nope. Do you want to translate it?
Do you find people on your intellect level appealing? Have any need for like minded people?
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Nope. Do you want to translate it?
Do you find people on your intellect level appealing? Have any need for like minded people?
I don't think I'll find like-minded people by relying on a number. People on my intellectual level, maybe, but that's not the same thing at all.
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Nope. Do you want to translate it?
Do you find people on your intellect level appealing? Have any need for like minded people?
I don't think I'll find like-minded people by relying on a number. People on my intellectual level, maybe, but that's not the same thing at all.
Didn't mean Intellect and like minded as the same thing at all. It was two separate questions, based on what he said about seeking intellect, similar to how one might seek autism.
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I will translate, O-man.
High IQ can be like autism, only that you are not disabled. That's why you want to be around those people.
Translated:
Swiggity swag, i'm a fag.
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Nope. Do you want to translate it?
Do you find people on your intellect level appealing? Have any need for like minded people?
I don't think I'll find like-minded people by relying on a number. People on my intellectual level, maybe, but that's not the same thing at all.
Didn't mean Intellect and like minded as the same thing at all. It was two separate questions, based on what he said about seeking intellect, similar to how one might seek autism.
So what did *he* say, apart from claiming that people with high IQs are not disabled?
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I was just making a comparison, one that basically everyone should be able to understand on this board ...
To people with autism, the world appears differently. People with autism think differently. Not 100% absolutely everyone obviously but a considerable majority. We perceive more details, we think in details rather than in general concepts, our perception is more sensitive. That causes us to understand the world and everything that exists on a different level and in a different manner. It also causes us to function differently. For example, we might interpret things more literal and we can rather understand the very concrete and explicitly elaborated than the abstract and loosely implied. We tend to have special interests, where we just focus on one subject but intensely. There are many more differences, which are harder, and would take more time, to explain. All those differences may make it easier to relate to people who share a similar mindset. Not everyone with autism thinks exactly in the same way or has exactly the same mental differences. But at average, the category increases the probabilities that they do. The same is true for people with high IQ.
In an analogous manner to autism, people of high intelligence have differences in their mental functioning, therefore also 'perception' and the outcomes of that. Gifted people do have conversely often no particular interest at all, because they can and do understand everything better and automatically, with little to no hurdles to overcome. That might cause them to focus on understanding everything at once and they get lost in trying to grasp all the knowledge there is, but nothing ever in personally satisfying depth. They may have social problems which are caused by being unable to relate to the people around them, because of their superior thoughts, views and understanding which are not well accepted by their peers, because the peers are simply too stupid. Also, the higher the IQ the higher the probability of suffering from a mental disorder (just like it is with autism). High IQ correlates with life success and productivity. Someone very intelligent might not be able to get a socially satisfying experience by watching a movie with other people or playing a board game, because in their eyes, both are damn retarded and so simple that you could think of it as being age-inappropriate. They could end up with a job that is not intellectually challenging enough for them to pay attention to or to take it seriously. The same could happen to them in school, even causing them to drop out and get bad grades. They might have entirely different desires and needs based on their intellectual capabilities and curiosity.
Essentially, the higher the IQ of a person, the less the difference for them between relating to people and relating to a bunch of chimpanzees. It might just make them emotionally and socially isolated.
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Also, the higher the IQ the higher the probability of suffering from a mental disorder
Not necessarily true. There are studies that indicate the opposite.
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So what did *he* say, apart from claiming that people with high IQs are not disabled?
Did he say that? Read it as him explaining that a person with high IQ, who is not disabled, might seek out MENSA to be around those people. That high IQ people are just different from other people, like people with autism.
High IQ can be like autism, only that you are not disabled. That's why you want to be around those people.
Eh? Were you trying to make sense again?
Maybe we're just reading him different. Maybe I'm the one who needs the translation.
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Many people with high IQ are not that different from "average" people. Many people with high IQ are surprisingly conformist.
I find most eccentric people having a higher IQ than average but not an extremely high IQ.
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Which only goes to show that very few, if any, assumptions can and should be made about people with high IQs.
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But this is just making assumptions about why the top 2 percent with high IQ might want to join MENSA. You did wonder why. Don't know why, but assuming it's just an ego trip doesn't seem right to me either.
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Actually the last few comments seemed to be about more than just why some would want to join MENSA. I could be wrong, though.
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Actually the last few comments seemed to be about more than just why some would want to join MENSA. I could be wrong, though.
It's because he uses the word 'you'. Had the same reaction when he did it to me, but it's natural for me to read it as me. Could have been wrong as well.
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Lit's comments were about more than just MENSA, though.
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Am I using 'you' wrong (i.e. not using 'people', 'someone', 'people on this board' to be more specific), or is it that you are also not a native speaker and therefore interpret it wrong?
Example from this thread:
High IQ can be like autism, only that you are not disabled. That's why you want to be around those people.
Afaik that is 100% legitimate usage. Synonymous with:
High IQ can be like autism, only that [the person with high IQ is] not disabled. That's why [a person with high IQ would] want to be around those people.
or:
High IQ can be like autism, only that you are not disabled [if you were a person with high IQ, generally speaking]. That's why you want to be around those people [if you were that person/in the situation/the mentioned circumstances applied/etc., generally speaking].
Who would interpret:
High IQ can be like autism, only that you [who has a high IQ and therefore are that person specifically] are not disabled. That's why you want to be around those people [because you are that exact person with high IQ].
Or what? Doesn't make sense to me tbh.
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Actually it's just that you aren't particularly good at expressing yourself.
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Am I using 'you' wrong (i.e. not using 'people', 'someone', 'people on this board' to be more specific), or is it that you are also not a native speaker and therefore interpret it wrong?
Just re-read Odeon's post and realize I misunderstood. Thought he said, 'seemed to be about me'. Not sure why. A little foggy today. You're not using it wrong; it's my own quirk/problem. Whenever hearing a general 'you' it's always misinterpreted, and have to think about it. Sometimes react to it, sometimes not. Don't know why it's interpreted wrong; it's not because I don't understand the use of the word.
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Actually it's just that you aren't particularly good at expressing yourself.
Why do you say that?
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Actually it's just that you aren't particularly good at expressing yourself.
Why do you say that?
Do you have reading comprehension problems as well?
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Actually it's just that you aren't particularly good at expressing yourself.
Why do you say that?
Do you have reading comprehension problems as well?
He is very isolated, so he probably hasn't had a lot of oportunities to fine tune his expressive skills.
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Actually it's just that you aren't particularly good at expressing yourself.
Why do you say that?
Do you have reading comprehension problems as well?
He is very isolated, so he probably hasn't had a lot of oportunities to fine tune his expressive skills.
I'm sure mum thinks he is great, though.
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I am tired of responding to your stupid trolling to be honest.
If you say something, you usually don't do it because it is random bullshit that comes out of your head but because you have reasons for it.
I asked you to explain those reasons.
Kid: You are an asshole, fuck, shit! Fuck.
Your mom: Why did you say that?
Mentally challenged kid: U stupid, lol?
Normal kid: Because you took away my cookie and I am angry at you.
Note the difference.
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I told you. You are target practice.
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I am tired of responding to your stupid trolling to be honest.
If you say something, you usually don't do it because it is random bullshit that comes out of your head but because you have reasons for it.
I asked you to explain those reasons.
Kid: You are an asshole, fuck, shit! Fuck.
Your mom: Why did you say that?
Mentally challenged kid: U stupid, lol?
Normal kid: Because you took away my cookie and I am angry at you.
Note the difference.
Note that nobody here is your mom.
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And note that in the example, there's a "kid", a "mentally challenged kid" and a "normal kid". And "your mum". Sort of confusing, isn't it?
He really sucks at expressing himself.
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I told you. You are target practice.
What, you voluntarily practice trolling? For what purpose? To become the master of trolls?
I don't think you have it in you.
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And note that in the example, there's a "kid", a "mentally challenged kid" and a "normal kid". And "your mum". Sort of confusing, isn't it?
He really sucks at expressing himself.
At least we are getting a glimpse of how he sees the world. As in, the world, to him, is still at home. He's the kid, everyone else is "mum".
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I told you. You are target practice.
What, you voluntarily practice trolling? For what purpose? To become the master of trolls?
It's fun.
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And note that in the example, there's a "kid", a "mentally challenged kid" and a "normal kid". And "your mum". Sort of confusing, isn't it?
He really sucks at expressing himself.
At least we are getting a glimpse of how he sees the world. As in, the world, to him, is still at home. He's the kid, everyone else is "mum".
I wonder what's all this about mentally challenged kids. He must be hearing that a lot when outside, playing.
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I told you. You are target practice.
What, you voluntarily practice trolling? For what purpose? To become the master of trolls?
I don't think you have it in you.
Its not called trolling. You see to begin with I think most of us attempted to reason with you. We expressed that you were being annoying, and that we didn't like you. We tried to explain why, and here are some of the directions your logic took.
-Well lets show each other our penises!
-I wish you were a girl so you could put me in a rape dungeon.
-No, I think the problem is that none of you seem to appreciate my finer points. You're all wrong, and i'm the only one who is right.
-This board exists just so I could come along and be "trolled". Seriously it existed for years, and now since i'm here its serving its purpose.
-If you disagree with me you are a troll.
And so on, and so forth. After so much of your bullshit, most of us seem to have come to the conclusion that you cannot be reasoned with. You're just a fucking punk. What do people normally do with punks? They bop them on the head, or ignore them.
Tl;DR- Nobody fucking likes you. Also...
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He is still target practice.
His problem is that he's really poor target practice, too clueless for anything beyond penis envy and stating everyone is a troll.
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He is still target practice.
His problem is that he's really poor target practice, too clueless for anything beyond penis envy and stating everyone is a troll.
I think we should consider the possibility that he is a brilliant genius, and that the lot of us just don't get it :'/
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It is a possibility. It's for instance the case when you don't understand that anarchism is the only morally right system.
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He is still target practice.
His problem is that he's really poor target practice, too clueless for anything beyond penis envy and stating everyone is a troll.
I think we should consider the possibility that he is a brilliant genius, and that the lot of us just don't get it :'/
I already did. He isn't. Most of his "theories" are easily debated and even crushed to bits, and I've not seen him make a single claim about any interests besides jacking off all day or pornography.
Monkeys can do that too.
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He is still target practice.
His problem is that he's really poor target practice, too clueless for anything beyond penis envy and stating everyone is a troll.
I think we should consider the possibility that he is a brilliant genius, and that the lot of us just don't get it :'/
I already did. He isn't. Most of his "theories" are easily debated and even crushed to bits, and I've not seen him make a single claim about any interests besides jacking off all day or pornography.
Monkeys can do that too.
I was being sarcastic, he is a douchebag :]
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I think we should consider the possibility that he is a brilliant genius, and that the lot of us just don't get it :'/
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He is still target practice.
His problem is that he's really poor target practice, too clueless for anything beyond penis envy and stating everyone is a troll.
I think we should consider the possibility that he is a brilliant genius, and that the lot of us just don't get it :'/
OK, let's do that.
Nope. I giggled.
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i like stephen fry because he's one of the few people that actually talks abuot having bipolar disorder instead of hiding it in the shadows like it's some demon mark. it's good because it shows people that BPD doesn't have to hold you back. by the way, to OP, have you ever been to bodie, CA ghost town?
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Welcome back.
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i like stephen fry because he's one of the few people that actually talks abuot having bipolar disorder instead of hiding it in the shadows like it's some demon mark. it's good because it shows people that BPD doesn't have to hold you back. by the way, to OP, have you ever been to bodie, CA ghost town?
I watched a documentary by Stephen Fry about Bipolar and it was pretty informative. He went through an episode of depression while making it and I could certainly understand what he was going through.
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Today at the shelter I volunteer at I tipped off the part-time worker that one of the guests (young teen) was not schizophrenic and that he was probably aspie. I felt good about that because his doctors are bullshitting him if they think he has schizophrenia. I have talked to him- he's wicked intelligent, logical, coherent, just kind of speyshal. These effing docs don't know shit from chocolate as far as I am concerned.
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Wouldn't it be sort of sad if he actually was schizophrenic, though? They can be speshul, too.
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Wouldn't it be sort of sad if he actually was schizophrenic, though? They can be speshul, too.
If he is schizophrenic, then thats cool. But it would be a little sad because it means his brain is suffering from gradual deterioration. :/
I just think this- if the equations he apparently busts out are fake, then he has schizophrenia. If they are real equations, then he is aspie.
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Of course, maybe he has both.
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He, SG, my favourite spring chicken, you are back. :hyke:
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I was in hospital, yesterday and this morning. No stigmatising because of aspergers at all, but, they did question me about how I register/do not register pain. So, they did take into account what was important about my aspergers in this situation.
And I got lucky on the ward I was, only one other woman, also needing her rest desperately. We both would not have minded spending another day and night together at all, sleeping. Perfect roommate.
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Glad all went well hyke. :hug:
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I was in hospital, yesterday and this morning. No stigmatising because of aspergers at all, but, they did question me about how I register/do not register pain. So, they did take into account what was important about my aspergers in this situation.
And I got lucky on the ward I was, only one other woman, also needing her rest desperately. We both would not have minded spending another day and night together at all, sleeping. Perfect roommate.
Glad it went well....but why were you in the hospital???
And glad to be back, my favourite multi-coloured bovine :headbang2:
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I just think this- if the equations he apparently busts out are fake, then he has schizophrenia. If they are real equations, then he is aspie.
Not really understanding this thought process.
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I just think this- if the equations he apparently busts out are fake, then he has schizophrenia. If they are real equations, then he is aspie.
Not really understanding this thought process.
Well, if he is doing fake equations then it is some kind of delusion or confusing thought process, which makes sense for a schizophrenia diagnosis. If the equations on the other hand are not delusions and factoring in his logical conversations and interactions, he is most likely misdiagnosed.
Know a young schizophrenic with genius IQ; they can be intelligent too.
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I just think this- if the equations he apparently busts out are fake, then he has schizophrenia. If they are real equations, then he is aspie.
Not really understanding this thought process.
Well, if he is doing fake equations then it is some kind of delusion or confusing thought process, which makes sense for a schizophrenia diagnosis. If the equations on the other hand are not delusions and factoring in his logical conversations and interactions, he is most likely misdiagnosed.
It doesn't follow. Have a look at what John Nash was up to in the 80s.
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Yes, but he is too logical to be schizophrenic.
Sigh. Maybe best to just leave the topic alone, like you said.
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I just think this- if the equations he apparently busts out are fake, then he has schizophrenia. If they are real equations, then he is aspie.
Not really understanding this thought process.
Well, if he is doing fake equations then it is some kind of delusion or confusing thought process, which makes sense for a schizophrenia diagnosis. If the equations on the other hand are not delusions and factoring in his logical conversations and interactions, he is most likely misdiagnosed.
Why pathologize this behavior?
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I just think this- if the equations he apparently busts out are fake, then he has schizophrenia. If they are real equations, then he is aspie.
Not really understanding this thought process.
Well, if he is doing fake equations then it is some kind of delusion or confusing thought process, which makes sense for a schizophrenia diagnosis. If the equations on the other hand are not delusions and factoring in his logical conversations and interactions, he is most likely misdiagnosed.
Why pathologize this behavior?
Why not it's something to post about, of course I hold myself to a higher standard and when I have nothing to add I take the high road and just post tits :M
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Now that makes sense. :M
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If you don't want to gossip about him here, then don't .
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If you don't want to gossip about him here, then don't .
I'm not gossipping. Wanted to share a story.....and couldn't include all details. Then you responded as if I was saying anyone with schizophrenia does not know how to do equations and that is not what I was saying AT ALL.
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Armchair diagnosis just irritates me in general, SG. Nothing personal. Didn't mean to botch your story.
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There, deleted it. Won't post about such things ever again for fear someone will assume I am making a statement about an entire population. I don't appreciate being talked to as if I said people with schizophrenia cannot not have a high IQ, or cannot do equations. Never said it, never meant it, never even thought it. I know very intelligent ppl with schizophrenia as well. My uncle among them. What I think about people with schizophrenia, and pointing out a possible misdiagnosis to a staff which has never heard of aspergers, are two different conversations.
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No need to delete anything. Your wording was what it was, and just misunderstood obviously.
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Sent you a pm; wont make things worse.
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There, deleted it. Won't post about such things ever again for fear someone will assume I am making a statement about an entire population.
Yes, keep pitching a fit. :smashviolin: Is that what this place has come to? Please tell me I'm not watching a PC-language walking-on-eggshells snitfest.
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There, deleted it. Won't post about such things ever again for fear someone will assume I am making a statement about an entire population.
Yes, keep pitching a fit. :smashviolin: Is that what this place has come to? Please tell me I'm not watching a PC-language walking-on-eggshells snitfest.
It's not to bother. Hopefully SG realizes there's no need to consider shells with me, though does sometimes say provocative things which I likely won't attempt to further respond though others might. Jack's approach with people may be neither sweet nor perfect, but it's important for it to be what it is and I2 standards don't have a factor in that. Some appreciate it and some don't. Some react reflexively to a challenge as an emotional challenge, and that's a consideration in future interaction. Personally have no interest in making anyone cry, quit, give up, whatever it might be called, so consider it fine to know and consider the shells of others. It's good practice for real life.
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Nah Jack, I don't feel like shells. I don't think I've ever gone and deleted stuff before--That was me throwing a rage. I couldn't get my meaning across without being misinterpreted and it made me :GA:. Not that it needs explanations. In real life people throw rages too and we're allowed to do that so long as we don't go on and hurt people, which I'd never dream of.
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Lol, is that how you see yourself Jack?
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There, deleted it. Won't post about such things ever again for fear someone will assume I am making a statement about an entire population. I don't appreciate being talked to as if I said people with schizophrenia cannot not have a high IQ, or cannot do equations. Never said it, never meant it, never even thought it. I know very intelligent ppl with schizophrenia as well. My uncle among them. What I think about people with schizophrenia, and pointing out a possible misdiagnosis to a staff which has never heard of aspergers, are two different conversations.
Hey, there's no requirement here that people should agree on anything. No need to delete a post, no need to change your mind just because others disagree.
Harden the fuck up. :P
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There, deleted it. Won't post about such things ever again for fear someone will assume I am making a statement about an entire population.
Yes, keep pitching a fit. :smashviolin: Is that what this place has come to? Please tell me I'm not watching a PC-language walking-on-eggshells snitfest.
My thoughts exactly.
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There, deleted it. Won't post about such things ever again for fear someone will assume I am making a statement about an entire population. I don't appreciate being talked to as if I said people with schizophrenia cannot not have a high IQ, or cannot do equations. Never said it, never meant it, never even thought it. I know very intelligent ppl with schizophrenia as well. My uncle among them. What I think about people with schizophrenia, and pointing out a possible misdiagnosis to a staff which has never heard of aspergers, are two different conversations.
Hey, there's no requirement here that people should agree on anything. No need to delete a post, no need to change your mind just because others disagree.
Harden the fuck up. :P
I vote to create a requirement that everyone must agree with Jack about everything. :P
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Just to piss her off. :LOL:
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There are loads of forums on the internet. Many have posts deleted every day. Others do not have a 'delete' button at all.
Here, however, we have a unique concept of having a working 'delete' button, but using it will prompt criticism from other members. New members should know this. :tard:
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Well, it is rather obvious so yes, they *should* know this. :P
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Just to piss her off. :LOL:
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There are loads of forums on the internet. Many have posts deleted every day. Others do not have a 'delete' button at all.
Here, however, we have a unique concept of having a working 'delete' button, but using it will prompt criticism from other members. New members should know this. :tard:
The delete button is a good option. Though hopefully it isn't further used in response to my thoughts.
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This is the Odeon Claus.
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Hawt, isn't he?
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Hawt, isn't he?
No, more of a north pole vibe.
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Deleted, to protect the delicate members of I2.
It's for your own good.
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Hawt, isn't he?
No, more of a north pole vibe.
Aww, c'mon, you know you want him. :zoinks:
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SG, I hope you have not been put off posting here. There aren't that many people posting here at the moment, and your posts were actually ones I enjoyed reading. :-\
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Yes, SG, don't be put off. Jack wont ask you to harden the fuck up or anything. :laugh:
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SG, I hope you have not been put off posting here. There aren't that many people posting here at the moment, and your posts were actually ones I enjoyed reading. :-\
Nah I'm not putting off :) Just easing back in.... got myself involved in some re bel work and now at a place I am not spending all my time wondering when the world will end lol. Now I just think about the work I have to do, and then when I have an interesting thought I can pop in my favourite autie sites and check in on my peeps O0
and awwww, I enjoy reading your posts, and other peoples posts too :santa:
CBC gave me a good laugh the other day too :cbc:
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SG, I hope you have not been put off posting here. There aren't that many people posting here at the moment, and your posts were actually ones I enjoyed reading. :-\
Nah I'm not putting off :) Just easing back in.... got myself involved in some re bel work and now at a place I am not spending all my time wondering when the world will end lol. Now I just think about the work I have to do, and then when I have an interesting thought I can pop in my favourite autie sites and check in on my peeps O0
and awwww, I enjoy reading your posts, and other peoples posts too :santa:
CBC gave me a good laugh the other day too :cbc:
Keep thinking. Thinking is good. Oh, and don't forget to share those thoughts :thumbup:
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Yes, SG, don't be put off. Jack wont ask you to harden the fuck up or anything. :laugh:
At least, not before :missionary:. :zoinks:
I suspect that Jack is more attracted to Odeon Claus. :P
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Jack likes Semicolon too.
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Jack likes Semicolon too.
:celebrate:
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Yes, SG, don't be put off. Jack wont ask you to harden the fuck up or anything. :laugh:
But I will, since PPK isn't around. Somebody's gotta do it.
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So just to reiterate:
Harden the fuck up. :P
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So just to reiterate:
Harden the fuck up. :P
just keep posting SG :viking:
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Yes, SG, don't be put off. Jack wont ask you to harden the fuck up or anything. :laugh:
But I will, since PPK isn't around. Somebody's gotta do it.
Sweet and sensitive tender hearts serve a purpose too.
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Yes, SG, don't be put off. Jack wont ask you to harden the fuck up or anything. :laugh:
But I will, since PPK isn't around. Somebody's gotta do it.
Sweet and sensitive tender hearts serve a purpose too.
They do, as target practice. >:D :orly:
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Yes, SG, don't be put off. Jack wont ask you to harden the fuck up or anything. :laugh:
But I will, since PPK isn't around. Somebody's gotta do it.
Sweet and sensitive tender hearts serve a purpose too.
They do, as target practice. >:D :orly:
They serve a purpose to others like them too.
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Yes, SG, don't be put off. Jack wont ask you to harden the fuck up or anything. :laugh:
But I will, since PPK isn't around. Somebody's gotta do it.
Sweet and sensitive tender hearts serve a purpose too.
As donors?
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lol u guys.
I'm flattered. Until now I thought only cupid liked to shoot at my heart. But now all the love darts are overwhelming :pinkbeat:
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just opening the chianti, SG >:D
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just opening the chianti, SG >:D
i dunno whether to
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or to
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You can do both.
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Borderline Personality Disorder suffers from stigma. Within the mental health system. I have heard a patient say about another patient, "Stay away from her, she has BPD."
Takes ages to get any treatment for it. I was on a list to get DBT or schema therapy. I went to the preliminary interview back in April and haven't heard anything since. And stupid me lost their number. I heard through my uni tutor that the treatment has already started. Sucks to be me.
Turned out I didn't have borderline PD in the end anyway. Had a long test about personality disorders (the SCID?) and it came up with schizoid PD. I haven't known of any stigma against that.
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Borderline Personality Disorder suffers from stigma. Within the mental health system. I have heard a patient say about another patient, "Stay away from her, she has BPD."
Takes ages to get any treatment for it. I was on a list to get DBT or schema therapy. I went to the preliminary interview back in April and haven't heard anything since. And stupid me lost their number. I heard through my uni tutor that the treatment has already started. Sucks to be me.
Turned out I didn't have borderline PD in the end anyway. Had a long test about personality disorders (the SCID?) and it came up with schizoid PD. I haven't known of any stigma against that.
Apparently with schizotypic all flags are raised though. :dunno:
I don't get the stigmatisation.
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Borderline Personality Disorder suffers from stigma. Within the mental health system. I have heard a patient say about another patient, "Stay away from her, she has BPD."
Takes ages to get any treatment for it. I was on a list to get DBT or schema therapy. I went to the preliminary interview back in April and haven't heard anything since. And stupid me lost their number. I heard through my uni tutor that the treatment has already started. Sucks to be me.
Turned out I didn't have borderline PD in the end anyway. Had a long test about personality disorders (the SCID?) and it came up with schizoid PD. I haven't known of any stigma against that.
Apparently with schizotypic all flags are raised though. :dunno:
I don't get the stigmatisation.
Some will say that those on the schizoid spectrum are supposed to have a higher risk for criminal activity...and can make some of the most dangerous criminals.
High on that spectrum myself, so I have seen the stigma.
Basically if they find out you're a loner...their next question is: "do you own any firearms?" :autism:
Son's Dr. told us to avoid ever using the word "anti-social" if asked about how he or I relate to people/peers and just go with the "social anxiety/can't relate to" phrases. Raises too many red flags these days.
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This is Australia, I have no firearms. :P
I saw a psychologist a while back who gave me quick treatment for depression (I only went five times) and it was written in my treatment summary that they won't be doing anything about my schizoid PD because it takes too long.
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I think people in Australia can own guns, except of course for toy guns which are banned. :lol1:
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I think rural area people can have guns if there are good reasons for having one. In suburban areas there is no point so people living there aren't allowed to have guns.
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I think rural area people can have guns if there are good reasons for having one. In suburban areas there is no point so people living there aren't allowed to have guns.
I always thought Australia was a gun place, but I'm just reading the internet and it reads like guns are a bit restricted but anyone willing to jump through the bureaucratic hoops of obtaining a license, registering the serial numbers and proving they have proper storage, can legally own one, even people who have them for target sport. I don't live there though so I don't know. :dunno:
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I think you know more than I do. ;)
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I also read not many people are registered gun owners in Australia, like five or six percent. I don't know if that speaks anything to the number of unregistered gun owners since restrictive laws are fairly new, but it might say a lot about it maybe being difficult to obtain a license, or maybe people in Australia just don't give a crap about owning guns. :lol1:
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Maybe your last sentence is true. I don't know of it being a big deal here. Occasionally it is on the news where unregistered guns are seized in places where there is a lot of criminal activity going on.
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Australia is crazy. After the Port Arthur massacre they restricted the guns. Haven't had one since. I prefer the American way. Double down on guns and double up on mass shootings. Keeps the population growth under control and gives both sides of the issue something to fret over besides the corporations stealing everything.
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And Hubert is back completely. :clap:
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Even my opinions have opinions :M
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You live a life of fulfilment. :M