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Arena for the Competitive => Main Event Callouts => Topic started by: GalileoAce on May 12, 2008, 08:42:32 PM
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This is just a small call out. In keeping with the site's theme: "Be prepared to back up your words". As such, I'd like the Pretty Tyrant to provide proof to back up this claim:
There's a difference: Vodzy, the little cunt, did it on purpose, after having read my post.
EDIT: Change topic title to match current discussion :)
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Odeon can never prove whether or not Vodzy read the post he made reference to.
He can only determine for sure whether Vodzy opened the page that Odeon's post appeared on or not and match some time signatures. It doesn't mean that he has proof that Vodzy read anything on the page.
What is this about?
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It's about respecting each other. Odeon has no right to insult Vodzy in the manner he has been doing. Whether Vodzy's actions were deliberate or not is indeterminate.
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It's about respecting each other. Odeon has no right to insult Vodzy in the manner he has been doing. Whether Vodzy's actions were deliberate or not is indeterminate.
OK
It's Vodzy's turn next.
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It's about respecting each other. Odeon has no right to insult Vodzy in the manner he has been doing. Whether Vodzy's actions were deliberate or not is indeterminate.
OK
It's Vodzy's turn next.
Well, no. If Vodzy's actions were deliberate, I can't see a way for Odeon to have known that, so his insults were still unwarranted.
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Well, then., I'm off some.
You want to hear from Odeaon next. See, I want to hear from Vodzy, first.
I suspect that Odeaon knows something that we can not, from what has been posted.
This is why Vodzy HAS to be next.
What Odeon knows will remain, but what we don't know is Vodzy's mind.
Odeon has posted.
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Knowing Vodzy's mind will be of benefit indeed, but it is not the crux of my angst toward Odeon.
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Are you serious? It's Vodzy we are talking about. He sure didn't do cos he likes helping little old ladies across the street if you know what I mean.
And I'm sure Vodzy wouldn't have it any other way.
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Are you serious? It's Vodzy we are talking about. He sure didn't do cos he likes helping little old ladies across the street if you know what I mean.
And I'm sure Vodzy wouldn't have it any other way.
I think it's serious that the Webmonkey and Domain owner insults members of the site without proof (seemingly). Whether or not this is Modus Operandi for Vodzy is an aside to this. Sure character reference does go a ways to help proving someone's guilt, but it's evidence that is a the key. So what evidence did Odeon have that Vodzy deliberately posted the quote quote after Odeon's request; what evidence is there that it wasn't a deliberate action but rather a mistake? As far as I can tell there is none either way. I always thought presumption of innocence was the way to go.
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Whoops.
I just noticed that I was posting in a place where my comments do not aplly.
I will start a peanut gallery thread when I next stop by, if it's not already been done..
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I thought the callout threads were open to discussion? But the Main Event thread was not?
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I did it on purpose. I couldn't help it. :green:
Odeon didn't know that. He has a grudge against me for blocking him and his slut (they have since been unblocked, for I do not hold grudges).
He's lucky he locked the thread after he threatened me with banning. I couldn't resist that bait! Bugger >:(
Are you serious? It's Vodzy we are talking about. He sure didn't do cos he likes helping little old ladies across the street if you know what I mean.
And I'm sure Vodzy wouldn't have it any other way.
FYI MF, I go out of my way to walk old ladies home! No shit!
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Are you serious? It's Vodzy we are talking about. He sure didn't do cos he likes helping little old ladies across the street if you know what I mean.
And I'm sure Vodzy wouldn't have it any other way.
I think it's serious that the Webmonkey and Domain owner insults members of the site without proof (seemingly). Whether or not this is Modus Operandi for Vodzy is an aside to this. Sure character reference does go a ways to help proving someone's guilt, but it's evidence that is a the key. So what evidence did Odeon have that Vodzy deliberately posted the quote quote after Odeon's request; what evidence is there that it wasn't a deliberate action but rather a mistake? As far as I can tell there is none either way. I always thought presumption of innocence was the way to go.
Damn straight. :plus:
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Well, then., I'm off some.
You want to hear from Odeaon next. See, I want to hear from Vodzy, first.
I suspect that Odeaon knows something that we can not, from what has been posted.
This is why Vodzy HAS to be next.
What Odeon knows will remain, but what we don't know is Vodzy's mind.
Odeon has posted.
You logic is flawed.
Odeon never backed up his claim. You are merely assume he knew my intentions.
In Australia at least, one is innocent until PROVEN otherwise.
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I did it on purpose. I couldn't help it. :green:
Odeon didn't know that. He has a grudge against me for blocking him and his slut (they have since been unblocked, for I do not hold grudges).
He's lucky he locked the thread after he threatened me with banning. I couldn't resist that bait! Bugger >:(
Are you serious? It's Vodzy we are talking about. He sure didn't do cos he likes helping little old ladies across the street if you know what I mean.
And I'm sure Vodzy wouldn't have it any other way.
Sorry that should be blabberising, not banning (though the difference is a bee's dick).
FYI MF, I go out of my way to walk old ladies home! No shit!
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I did it on purpose. I couldn't help it. :green:
Well then, given that you admitted it. You sir, are an ass. :: nods :: You could've broken the site, not a smart move no no. But at least you got your jollies. ::)
Odeon didn't know that. He has a grudge against me for blocking him and his slut (they have since been unblocked, for I do not hold grudges).
He's lucky he locked the thread after he threatened me with banning. I couldn't resist that bait! Bugger >:(
I can see know way that he did not. So his insulting of you was grossly presumptuous.
So I find that both of you are asses. You shouldn't have quote quoted especially having read Odeon's request not to. Nor should Odeon has insulted you without actually proof that you did it deliberately.
Oh, and Callaway actually locked the thread, no Odeon...
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I did it on purpose. I couldn't help it. :green:
Well then, given that you admitted it. You sir, are an ass. :: nods :: You could've broken the site, not a smart move no no. But at least you got your jollies. ::)
Odeon didn't know that. He has a grudge against me for blocking him and his slut (they have since been unblocked, for I do not hold grudges).
He's lucky he locked the thread after he threatened me with banning. I couldn't resist that bait! Bugger >:(
I can see know way that he did not. So his insulting of you was grossly presumptuous.
So I find that both of you are asses. You shouldn't have quote quoted especially having read Odeon's request not to. Nor should Odeon has insulted you without actually proof that you did it deliberately.
Oh, and Callaway actually locked the thread, no Odeon...
Yeah I'm an arse. That's news to...?
Lucky Callaway, saving me from the gift of the blab.
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Stuff that GA wrote
Yeah I'm an arse. That's news to...?
Lucky Callaway, saving me from the gift of the blab.
News to me, actually. I did not know of your arsey ways. I am now learn-ed.
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If we're going to be pedantic, I'm not actually an arse, but I perform arsey acts from time to time.
That could so be misunderstood.
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I did it on purpose. I couldn't help it. :green:
Odeon didn't know that. He has a grudge against me for blocking him and his slut (they have since been unblocked, for I do not hold grudges).
He's lucky he locked the thread after he threatened me with banning. I couldn't resist that bait! Bugger >:(
Are you serious? It's Vodzy we are talking about. He sure didn't do cos he likes helping little old ladies across the street if you know what I mean.
And I'm sure Vodzy wouldn't have it any other way.
FYI MF, I go out of my way to walk old ladies home! No shit!
Having trouble picking up chicks your own age lately? ;)
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I did it on purpose. I couldn't help it. :green:
Odeon didn't know that. He has a grudge against me for blocking him and his slut (they have since been unblocked, for I do not hold grudges).
He's lucky he locked the thread after he threatened me with banning. I couldn't resist that bait! Bugger >:(
Are you serious? It's Vodzy we are talking about. He sure didn't do cos he likes helping little old ladies across the street if you know what I mean.
And I'm sure Vodzy wouldn't have it any other way.
FYI MF, I go out of my way to walk old ladies home! No shit!
Having trouble picking up chicks your own age lately? ;)
You calling me a GF?
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I did it on purpose. I couldn't help it. :green:
Odeon didn't know that. He has a grudge against me for blocking him and his slut (they have since been unblocked, for I do not hold grudges).
:LMAO:
oh definitely - we were both utterly devastated by your ignoring us, vodzy. i cried for days.
as for "odeon and his slut"... tsk, tsk - jealousy is an ugly thing, dear. get over it.
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This is just a small call out. In keeping with the site's theme: "Be prepared to back up your words". As such, I'd like the Pretty Tyrant to provide proof to back up this claim:
There's a difference: Vodzy, the little cunt, did it on purpose, after having read my post.
I posted about my fears shortly before he did another quote thing. Several people replied to my post, and I replied with more specifics, on the same page he must have opened before he went on to post his empty quote thing. Obviously I can't prove it one way or another, but I consider it likely that he had read at least one or two of the several posts discussing the issue.
Also, I started a separate thread where I did mention this.
And finally, he has not denied anything, although he could have. Considering how ghey he thinks I am (there's more name-calling for you, right there in his custom title, well, at least until I changed it; why didn't you pick him up on that?), I think it's likely that he reads a lot of what I post.
He's guilty as charged, the little cunt. If he wants to deny it, now's the time.
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It's about respecting each other. Odeon has no right to insult Vodzy in the manner he has been doing. Whether Vodzy's actions were deliberate or not is indeterminate.
Where does it say that I must respect a little cunt that jeopardises the site for shit and giggles? Especially when said cunt was the one to start the name-calling, in his custom title.
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It's about respecting each other. Odeon has no right to insult Vodzy in the manner he has been doing. Whether Vodzy's actions were deliberate or not is indeterminate.
OK
It's Vodzy's turn next.
Well, no. If Vodzy's actions were deliberate, I can't see a way for Odeon to have known that, so his insults were still unwarranted.
Read above. I have replied; it's your turn now.
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Knowing Vodzy's mind will be of benefit indeed, but it is not the crux of my angst toward Odeon.
Then what is?
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Are you serious? It's Vodzy we are talking about. He sure didn't do cos he likes helping little old ladies across the street if you know what I mean.
And I'm sure Vodzy wouldn't have it any other way.
I think it's serious that the Webmonkey and Domain owner insults members of the site without proof (seemingly). Whether or not this is Modus Operandi for Vodzy is an aside to this. Sure character reference does go a ways to help proving someone's guilt, but it's evidence that is a the key. So what evidence did Odeon have that Vodzy deliberately posted the quote quote after Odeon's request; what evidence is there that it wasn't a deliberate action but rather a mistake? As far as I can tell there is none either way. I always thought presumption of innocence was the way to go.
I'm Site Owner as well. ::)
Would it be OK if a mere mortal had insulted poor Vodzy? Are you seriously suggesting that as site owner, web monkey and whatnot, I don't have the same rights to post as everyone else? Is this the time where you will start on me about the responsibilities I have?
I see to it that people can post here, even little cunts like Vodzy who try to bring it down. That's it. Otherwise I'm just like everyone else, posting what I feel like, trying to have as much fun as I can, reacting according to MY personality.
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I thought the callout threads were open to discussion? But the Main Event thread was not?
Oh, that's right. I should have moved to the main event, right?
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I did it on purpose. I couldn't help it. :green:
Cunt.
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Well, then., I'm off some.
You want to hear from Odeaon next. See, I want to hear from Vodzy, first.
I suspect that Odeaon knows something that we can not, from what has been posted.
This is why Vodzy HAS to be next.
What Odeon knows will remain, but what we don't know is Vodzy's mind.
Odeon has posted.
You logic is flawed.
Odeon never backed up his claim. You are merely assume he knew my intentions.
In Australia at least, one is innocent until PROVEN otherwise.
But you don't have free speech there?
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Well, that was fun...
NEXT!
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:lol:
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Well, then., I'm off some.
You want to hear from Odeaon next. See, I want to hear from Vodzy, first.
I suspect that Odeaon knows something that we can not, from what has been posted.
This is why Vodzy HAS to be next.
What Odeon knows will remain, but what we don't know is Vodzy's mind.
Odeon has posted.
You logic is flawed.
Odeon never backed up his claim. You are merely assume he knew my intentions.
In Australia at least, one is innocent until PROVEN otherwise.
Not really any logic needed at all.
I said I SUSPECT(ed) that Odeon knows more than we, merely from his posting. (Yes, at that point, I had chosen to believe both of you, until one trips up, but that does not involve logic)
You had not posted any response, yet. That is why the logical next step, in my way of thinking, was to hear from you before we could go any farther.
Odeon had already posted. That is not logic. That is fact.
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I think it's Vodzy's MO to try to provoke. Never mind him. He is a kid. Some of them grow up, you know.
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*shrugs*
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So where's the Llama?? :grrr: I wants the llama, precioussssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssss :P
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So where's the Llama?? :grrr: I wants the llama, precioussssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssss :P
I want one turning on a spit. Last time I had llama it was excellent.
dead fucking serious Mexico traveler speaking, folks. Have you ever had any llama? I didn't want to bring this up for a long time, because the one with the eyebrows is so cute, but I love the shoulder roasts of llama. oddly, the older ones, worn out from their burdens are still tender, unlike a bovine.
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So where's the Llama?? :grrr: I wants the llama, precioussssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssss :P
Anything for you, Ozymandias:
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:laugh:
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OMFG, Callaway posted my next meal.
*wishes in one hand and shits in the other. One hand gets full faster*
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OMFG, Callaway posted my next meal.
*wishes in one hand and shits in the other. One hand gets full faster*
well, Llama's and their cousins are not only a source of clothing, but, meat and milk. Just like middle east tribes eat camels!
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OMFG, Callaway posted my next meal.
*wishes in one hand and shits in the other. One hand gets full faster*
well, Llama's and their cousins are not only a source of clothing, but, meat and milk. Just like middle east tribes eat camels!
Yes, they are an incredibly complete form of domesticated animal. Everything is right there in one C.A.R.E. package. They fuck like rabbits, too, but it is rare for a "vaca" llama to have twins or triplets, unlike goats. The "wool" more than makes up for this deficiency, however. Alpaca often have twins, though. They are much smaller, by comparison and it takes more of them to fed an extended family. More bellies to feed means they are less efficient than llamas.
It is a tiny subculture in America to keep llamas, but not so in southern Mexico!
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I did it on purpose. I couldn't help it. :green:
Odeon didn't know that. He has a grudge against me for blocking him and his slut (they have since been unblocked, for I do not hold grudges).
He's lucky he locked the thread after he threatened me with banning. I couldn't resist that bait! Bugger >:(
Are you serious? It's Vodzy we are talking about. He sure didn't do cos he likes helping little old ladies across the street if you know what I mean.
And I'm sure Vodzy wouldn't have it any other way.
FYI MF, I go out of my way to walk old ladies home! No shit!
Having trouble picking up chicks your own age lately? ;)
You calling me a GF?
I think you know I am. :green:
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I thought the callout threads were open to discussion? But the Main Event thread was not?
Oh, that's right. I should have moved to the main event, right?
No, it's not nessecary for something as trifle as this.
Knowing Vodzy's mind will be of benefit indeed, but it is not the crux of my angst toward Odeon.
Then what is?
Bullying. True, Vodzy's actions were stupid and possibly negligent, but I don't think any action warrants calling someone an arse or cunt or what have you, and yes it happens all too frequently on this site.
Some would say that it is the way I2 is. But I prefer it's other; adult discussion where you have to back up what you say. We can still have adult discussion and waffle without resorting to childish name calling or insults.
So in a way I guess I'm calling everyone out, but I directed to you because what you said shocked me, it was not something I expected of you, which is partially due to my lack of knowledge into Vodzy's arsey actions. And as Site Owner et al, I do hold you to a certain level of behaviour; as Site Owner et al I see you as the yard stick for the site itself, same way I've always seen you, Dunc, & Callaway (as the Semi-Perm Admin), and any of the flux admins. You set the tone at which discussion proceeds on this your site, I think it should be a higher pitch.
Vodzy was wrong and I doubt your comment will weigh heavily upon him, but it takes one wrong step to start a journey into hell. There are many members who have thinner skins than Vodzy, true they shouldn't be here but they are, so think of your words next time, please.
Well, then., I'm off some.
You want to hear from Odeaon next. See, I want to hear from Vodzy, first.
I suspect that Odeaon knows something that we can not, from what has been posted.
This is why Vodzy HAS to be next.
What Odeon knows will remain, but what we don't know is Vodzy's mind.
Odeon has posted.
You logic is flawed.
Odeon never backed up his claim. You are merely assume he knew my intentions.
In Australia at least, one is innocent until PROVEN otherwise.
But you don't have free speech there?
Most of the time we do. Unlike here I must say, as evidenced by the mere presence of the Blabberizer.
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WTF is that!? :o
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it's the drama farmer - i got bored with the drama llama.
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I thought the callout threads were open to discussion? But the Main Event thread was not?
Oh, that's right. I should have moved to the main event, right?
No, it's not nessecary for something as trifle as this.
Knowing Vodzy's mind will be of benefit indeed, but it is not the crux of my angst toward Odeon.
Then what is?
Bullying. True, Vodzy's actions were stupid and possibly negligent, but I don't think any action warrants calling someone an arse or cunt or what have you, and yes it happens all too frequently on this site.
Some would say that it is the way I2 is. But I prefer it's other; adult discussion where you have to back up what you say. We can still have adult discussion and waffle without resorting to childish name calling or insults.
So in a way I guess I'm calling everyone out, but I directed to you because what you said shocked me, it was not something I expected of you, which is partially due to my lack of knowledge into Vodzy's arsey actions. And as Site Owner et al, I do hold you to a certain level of behaviour; as Site Owner et al I see you as the yard stick for the site itself, same way I've always seen you, Dunc, & Callaway (as the Semi-Perm Admin), and any of the flux admins. You set the tone at which discussion proceeds on this your site, I think it should be a higher pitch.
Vodzy was wrong and I doubt your comment will weigh heavily upon him, but it takes one wrong step to start a journey into hell. There are many members who have thinner skins than Vodzy, true they shouldn't be here but they are, so think of your words next time, please.
Well, then., I'm off some.
You want to hear from Odeaon next. See, I want to hear from Vodzy, first.
I suspect that Odeaon knows something that we can not, from what has been posted.
This is why Vodzy HAS to be next.
What Odeon knows will remain, but what we don't know is Vodzy's mind.
Odeon has posted.
You logic is flawed.
Odeon never backed up his claim. You are merely assume he knew my intentions.
In Australia at least, one is innocent until PROVEN otherwise.
But you don't have free speech there?
Most of the time we do. Unlike here I must say, as evidenced by the mere presence of the Blabberizer.
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WTF is that!? :o
:yawn:
If you want moderation then:
:gotowp:
Otherwise stop whining. That is all.
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I don't think he wants moderation, and I'v known GA from several forums, just clarity for his own mind. Then again, I'v been wrong before! :P
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So where's the Llama?? :grrr: I wants the llama, precioussssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssss :P
You called?
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Are you serious? It's Vodzy we are talking about. He sure didn't do cos he likes helping little old ladies across the street if you know what I mean.
And I'm sure Vodzy wouldn't have it any other way.
I think it's serious that the Webmonkey and Domain owner insults members of the site without proof (seemingly). Whether or not this is Modus Operandi for Vodzy is an aside to this. Sure character reference does go a ways to help proving someone's guilt, but it's evidence that is a the key. So what evidence did Odeon have that Vodzy deliberately posted the quote quote after Odeon's request; what evidence is there that it wasn't a deliberate action but rather a mistake? As far as I can tell there is none either way. I always thought presumption of innocence was the way to go.
Do you know that Vodzy's previous custom title was "Odeon is Ghey," Galileo Ace?
Sometimes people here call one another names, based only on their unsubstantiated opinions. I have been called "Cuntaway" and Odeon has been called "Ghey" and a "Nazi," among other things. You have been called names too, as has almost every member who posts regularly. It seems unreasonable to me to say that some members are allowed to call other people names while certain others are not. If you believe that it's OK for Vodzy to call Odeon a name then why would it not be just as OK for Odeon to call Vodzy a name, whether or not he has "proof"?
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I thought the callout threads were open to discussion? But the Main Event thread was not?
Oh, that's right. I should have moved to the main event, right?
No, it's not nessecary for something as trifle as this.
Knowing Vodzy's mind will be of benefit indeed, but it is not the crux of my angst toward Odeon.
Then what is?
Bullying. True, Vodzy's actions were stupid and possibly negligent, but I don't think any action warrants calling someone an arse or cunt or what have you, and yes it happens all too frequently on this site.
Some would say that it is the way I2 is. But I prefer it's other; adult discussion where you have to back up what you say. We can still have adult discussion and waffle without resorting to childish name calling or insults.
That is your opinion. You have the right to see things your way. I have the right to disagree and behave the way I see fit.
So in a way I guess I'm calling everyone out, but I directed to you because what you said shocked me, it was not something I expected of you, which is partially due to my lack of knowledge into Vodzy's arsey actions. And as Site Owner et al, I do hold you to a certain level of behaviour; as Site Owner et al I see you as the yard stick for the site itself, same way I've always seen you, Dunc, & Callaway (as the Semi-Perm Admin), and any of the flux admins. You set the tone at which discussion proceeds on this your site, I think it should be a higher pitch.
Vodzy was wrong and I doubt your comment will weigh heavily upon him, but it takes one wrong step to start a journey into hell. There are many members who have thinner skins than Vodzy, true they shouldn't be here but they are, so think of your words next time, please.
Fair enough, but I disagree. Yes, in a way, me, Callaway, Dunc, etc, are yardsticks for the site, but on the other hand, we are also members with the same rights to be angry and frustrated and annoyed as anyone else, especially when it's about the site's security. If he thinks I overstepped, then *he* should call me out.
I don't have any respect for people who deliberately set out to create more work and worry for me. The little cunt deserved it.
P.S. Why didn't this callout happen when Dunc called Ahayes names, or when he called Cal names? Did you look the other way then?
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I don't think he wants moderation, and I'v known GA from several forums, just clarity for his own mind. Then again, I'v been wrong before! :P
I would agree with this. I have the highest respect for GA, even though I strongly disagree with him on this one.
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I don't think he wants moderation, and I'v known GA from several forums, just clarity for his own mind. Then again, I'v been wrong before! :P
Come on, what else do you call someone trying to get us all to mind our P's and Q's. Or was that Arses and Cunts...
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I don't think he wants moderation, and I'v known GA from several forums, just clarity for his own mind. Then again, I'v been wrong before! :P
Come on, what else do you call someone trying to get us all to mind our P's and Q's. Or was that Arses and Cunts...
Someone with a differing opinion?
His opinion is a reasonable one, and does not equal moderation. He simply wants me to be more polite, but doesn't want to enforce it, which is what moderation really is about.
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good point.
win/win, calloo callay, can we move on to the next drama now, please? :laugh:
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What *is* the next drama? :laugh:
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oh, i'm sure there'll be one along as soon as anyone gets comfortable again. ;)
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I don't think he wants moderation, and I'v known GA from several forums, just clarity for his own mind. Then again, I'v been wrong before! :P
Come on, what else do you call someone trying to get us all to mind our P's and Q's. Or was that Arses and Cunts...
Someone with a differing opinion?
His opinion is a reasonable one, and does not equal moderation. He simply wants me to be more polite, but doesn't want to enforce it, which is what moderation really is about.
To me it does, albeit an attempt at persuading us to carry out self-moderation. We do way too much of that irl already...
Politeness is just another nasty hand me down from NT society, as far as I am concerned. Just my take on it.
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nope. politeness is a way of getting through the bloody day, without killing each other. it oils the wheels of social interaction, so things can run.
i'm all for politeness and respect, myself - if you ask me, there's not enough of it.
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I agree. And self-moderation is not a bad thing; someone else forcing it is.
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I agree. And self-moderation is not a bad thing; someone else forcing it is.
Or a system. Which is what happens when we walk out of that front door.
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I agree. And self-moderation is not a bad thing; someone else forcing it is.
Or a system. Which is what happens when we walk out of that front door.
No, that's not true. What happens is that we don't kill each other.
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it always amazes me when aspies moan about rules in social interation. surely, the whole point is that it's easier to interact when there are clear rules as to how to - all you have to do islearn them.
i know i find it much more difficult these days, because social interaction is so much more informal. when i was young, if you met someone, they said, "how do you do?", and you replied with the same, and then advanced bunnies was "pleased to meet you." and that was it. nowadays, apart from saying their mother's a cunt, more or less anything goes, and that's so much harder.
i like formality - it's easy.
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Yes, I agree. And politeness is excellent survival strategy.
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Yes, I agree. And politeness is excellent survival strategy.
fuck off, cunt!
:LMAO:
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it always amazes me when aspies moan about rules in social interation. surely, the whole point is that it's easier to interact when there are clear rules as to how to - all you have to do islearn them.
i know i find it much more difficult these days, because social interaction is so much more informal. when i was young, if you met someone, they said, "how do you do?", and you replied with the same, and then advanced bunnies was "pleased to meet you." and that was it. nowadays, apart from saying their mother's a cunt, more or less anything goes, and that's so much harder.
i like formality - it's easy.
Formality requires that you know the rules, remember most Aspies struggle to learn them, especially without a nice book on them. Of course even if you know the rules, as soon as you make a mistake with them (which is bound to happen) you then lack the intuition to deal with it, and the sheer judgementalism that those rules are built on mean that chances are someone will just assume you are an undesirable and that would be it. Having options with what to say, and what not to say I prefer myself...
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Yes, I agree. And politeness is excellent survival strategy.
fuck off, cunt!
:LMAO:
I love it when you talk dirty to me. :eyebrows:
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it always amazes me when aspies moan about rules in social interation. surely, the whole point is that it's easier to interact when there are clear rules as to how to - all you have to do islearn them.
i know i find it much more difficult these days, because social interaction is so much more informal. when i was young, if you met someone, they said, "how do you do?", and you replied with the same, and then advanced bunnies was "pleased to meet you." and that was it. nowadays, apart from saying their mother's a cunt, more or less anything goes, and that's so much harder.
i like formality - it's easy.
Formality requires that you know the rules, remember most Aspies struggle to learn them, especially without a nice book on them. Of course even if you know the rules, as soon as you make a mistake with them (which is bound to happen) you then lack the intuition to deal with it, and the sheer judgementalism that those rules are built on mean that chances are someone will just assume you are an undesirable and that would be it. Having options with what to say, and what not to say I prefer myself...
fair comment.
i do wonder whether you'd still say that if you'd experienced a different way of working, though.
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Yes, I agree. And politeness is excellent survival strategy.
fuck off, cunt!
:LMAO:
I love it when you talk dirty to me. :eyebrows:
ohhhhhhhh, i know. ;)
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it always amazes me when aspies moan about rules in social interation. surely, the whole point is that it's easier to interact when there are clear rules as to how to - all you have to do islearn them.
i know i find it much more difficult these days, because social interaction is so much more informal. when i was young, if you met someone, they said, "how do you do?", and you replied with the same, and then advanced bunnies was "pleased to meet you." and that was it. nowadays, apart from saying their mother's a cunt, more or less anything goes, and that's so much harder.
i like formality - it's easy.
Formality requires that you know the rules, remember most Aspies struggle to learn them, especially without a nice book on them. Of course even if you know the rules, as soon as you make a mistake with them (which is bound to happen) you then lack the intuition to deal with it, and the sheer judgementalism that those rules are built on mean that chances are someone will just assume you are an undesirable and that would be it. Having options with what to say, and what not to say I prefer myself...
fair comment.
i do wonder whether you'd still say that if you'd experienced a different way of working, though.
It might be different I guess, though I am one of those who likes fighting rules and abusing loopholes not playing by them. I doubt much could change that.
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I don't think he wants moderation, and I'v known GA from several forums, just clarity for his own mind. Then again, I'v been wrong before! :P
Come on, what else do you call someone trying to get us all to mind our P's and Q's. Or was that Arses and Cunts...
Someone with a differing opinion?
His opinion is a reasonable one, and does not equal moderation. He simply wants me to be more polite, but doesn't want to enforce it, which is what moderation really is about.
To me it does, albeit an attempt at persuading us to carry out self-moderation. We do way too much of that irl already...
Politeness is just another nasty hand me down from NT society, as far as I am concerned. Just my take on it.
Your entitled to that opinion and your entitled to think I am wrong. But, IRL, politeness is not censorship or grovelling or sycophancy, it's common sense. So unless your contemplating a career and lifestyle far removed from all contact with other human beings, politeness or diplomacy is a necessary survival skill. Thats my opinion.
As for self moderation, it's how I behave, at least half the time anyway, and believe. It's not imposed on me except by me on myself. GA is free to accept or reject my opinion, as you, Lucifer, odeon, calandale, etc, are free to do as well. It's not going to change how I operate or conduct myself here or in real life. And thats my take on it! :P
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I don't think he wants moderation, and I'v known GA from several forums, just clarity for his own mind. Then again, I'v been wrong before! :P
Come on, what else do you call someone trying to get us all to mind our P's and Q's. Or was that Arses and Cunts...
Someone with a differing opinion?
His opinion is a reasonable one, and does not equal moderation. He simply wants me to be more polite, but doesn't want to enforce it, which is what moderation really is about.
To me it does, albeit an attempt at persuading us to carry out self-moderation. We do way too much of that irl already...
Politeness is just another nasty hand me down from NT society, as far as I am concerned. Just my take on it.
Your entitled to that opinion and your entitled to think I am wrong. But, IRL, politeness is not censorship or grovelling or sycophancy, it's common sense. So unless your contemplating a career and lifestyle far removed from all contact with other human beings, politeness or diplomacy is a necessary survival skill. Thats my opinion.
As for self moderation, it's how I behave, at least half the time anyway, and believe. It's not imposed on me except by me on myself. GA is free to accept or reject my opinion, as you, Lucifer, odeon, calandale, etc, are free to do as well. It's not going to change how I operate or conduct myself here or in real life. And thats my take on it! :P
Common sense is defined by the society we are in, and as you rightly point out we have to play the game for now. It doesnt mean we should like the game or system, and really we should all be striving to change it. Obviously I play the game myself, but I almost despise myself for playing it. What scares me is in trying hard to conform, one can lose their identity and sense of who they are.
As for imposition, it is imposed on you in the sense you are free to choose not to play along, but the consequences for not playing are pretty disasterous. Not what I would call a free choice myself.
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I don't think he wants moderation, and I'v known GA from several forums, just clarity for his own mind. Then again, I'v been wrong before! :P
Come on, what else do you call someone trying to get us all to mind our P's and Q's. Or was that Arses and Cunts...
Someone with a differing opinion?
His opinion is a reasonable one, and does not equal moderation. He simply wants me to be more polite, but doesn't want to enforce it, which is what moderation really is about.
To me it does, albeit an attempt at persuading us to carry out self-moderation. We do way too much of that irl already...
Politeness is just another nasty hand me down from NT society, as far as I am concerned. Just my take on it.
Your entitled to that opinion and your entitled to think I am wrong. But, IRL, politeness is not censorship or grovelling or sycophancy, it's common sense. So unless your contemplating a career and lifestyle far removed from all contact with other human beings, politeness or diplomacy is a necessary survival skill. Thats my opinion.
As for self moderation, it's how I behave, at least half the time anyway, and believe. It's not imposed on me except by me on myself. GA is free to accept or reject my opinion, as you, Lucifer, odeon, calandale, etc, are free to do as well. It's not going to change how I operate or conduct myself here or in real life. And thats my take on it! :P
Common sense is defined by the society we are in, and as you rightly point out we have to play the game for now. It doesnt mean we should like the game or system, and really we should all be striving to change it. Obviously I play the game myself, but I almost despise myself for playing it. What scares me is in trying hard to conform, one can lose their identity and sense of who they are.
As for imposition, it is imposed on you in the sense you are free to choose not to play along, but the consequences for not playing are pretty disasterous. Not what I would call a free choice myself.
I never said I liked it, but, then again, I have a great deal of latitude in my present life to do or not do. BUT, one can conform in a borderline way, yet, not sacrifice ones identity and I certainly haven't lost the sense of who I am. Nor is my daughter losing the sense of who she is. My own sense of self is NOT in seeing the world in black and white with minimal grey, but, I see the world in huge swaths of grey with minimal black and white on the extreme borders. One can play the game/along without losing ones identity, the trick is in learning the limitations within which each of us works well. I relish the challenge of balancing conformity with my own individuality and refusal to knuckle under to the game. And let me tell you, very few games are more full of BS conformity then the medical field. Of course academia is the only field I consider on a par with that concept. My dearest friend is a retired prof. and some of the stories he told me would curl anyones hair. I'm sure Lucifer could vouch for that!
The bottom line is, if I wanted to live a totally individual and free life, I could head out to some remote area of the Maine woods and hide and build a life for myself totally alone and self sufficient. BUT, I like my wine, a decent tenderloin, fresh produce and those things I couldn't manufacture for myself, in short I can't live without contact with other people. However brief and exasperating. It's not necessarily an "NT" imposition, it's a "human" imposition, as in the cost we have to pay for being human. So unless you want to and can do, a move out to Australia's "Dead Heart". Find an oasis and live there cut off from all contact with the rest of society, your going to have to find that "balance" point as well. It's never about surrendering your individuality, it's about, keeping your individuality, and yet being able to :razz: , in a fashion that both satisfies and helps keep your sanity. I'm still working on that! :P
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If you thought that you were about to fail physics in two days, would you be debating the fact that you don't want to be polite and think that everyone should be striving to change the "system" so we don't need to get along with other people or would you be studying your ass off?
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:puke:
:agreed:
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If you thought that you were about to fail physics in two days, would you be debating the fact that you don't want to be polite and think that everyone should be striving to change the "system" so we don't need to get along with other people or would you be studying your ass off?
I wasn't ::) at Hadron!
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I don't think he wants moderation, and I'v known GA from several forums, just clarity for his own mind. Then again, I'v been wrong before! :P
Come on, what else do you call someone trying to get us all to mind our P's and Q's. Or was that Arses and Cunts...
Someone with a differing opinion?
His opinion is a reasonable one, and does not equal moderation. He simply wants me to be more polite, but doesn't want to enforce it, which is what moderation really is about.
To me it does, albeit an attempt at persuading us to carry out self-moderation. We do way too much of that irl already...
Politeness is just another nasty hand me down from NT society, as far as I am concerned. Just my take on it.
Your entitled to that opinion and your entitled to think I am wrong. But, IRL, politeness is not censorship or grovelling or sycophancy, it's common sense. So unless your contemplating a career and lifestyle far removed from all contact with other human beings, politeness or diplomacy is a necessary survival skill. Thats my opinion.
As for self moderation, it's how I behave, at least half the time anyway, and believe. It's not imposed on me except by me on myself. GA is free to accept or reject my opinion, as you, Lucifer, odeon, calandale, etc, are free to do as well. It's not going to change how I operate or conduct myself here or in real life. And thats my take on it! :P
Common sense is defined by the society we are in, and as you rightly point out we have to play the game for now. It doesnt mean we should like the game or system, and really we should all be striving to change it. Obviously I play the game myself, but I almost despise myself for playing it. What scares me is in trying hard to conform, one can lose their identity and sense of who they are.
As for imposition, it is imposed on you in the sense you are free to choose not to play along, but the consequences for not playing are pretty disasterous. Not what I would call a free choice myself.
I never said I liked it, but, then again, I have a great deal of latitude in my present life to do or not do. BUT, one can conform in a borderline way, yet, not sacrifice ones identity and I certainly haven't lost the sense of who I am. Nor is my daughter losing the sense of who she is. My own sense of self is NOT in seeing the world in black and white with minimal grey, but, I see the world in huge swaths of grey with minimal black and white on the extreme borders. One can play the game/along without losing ones identity, the trick is in learning the limitations within which each of us works well. I relish the challenge of balancing conformity with my own individuality and refusal to knuckle under to the game. And let me tell you, very few games are more full of BS conformity then the medical field. Of course academia is the only field I consider on a par with that concept. My dearest friend is a retired prof. and some of the stories he told me would curl anyones hair. I'm sure Lucifer could vouch for that!
The bottom line is, if I wanted to live a totally individual and free life, I could head out to some remote area of the Maine woods and hide and build a life for myself totally alone and self sufficient. BUT, I like my wine, a decent tenderloin, fresh produce and those things I couldn't manufacture for myself, in short I can't live without contact with other people. However brief and exasperating. It's not necessarily an "NT" imposition, it's a "human" imposition, as in the cost we have to pay for being human. So unless you want to and can do, a move out to Australia's "Dead Heart". Find an oasis and live there cut off from all contact with the rest of society, your going to have to find that "balance" point as well. It's never about surrendering your individuality, it's about, keeping your individuality, and yet being able to :razz: , in a fashion that both satisfies and helps keep your sanity. I'm still working on that! :P
My fear I guess is that I am losing my way a little. I fought way too hard to build up a facade of being able to play the social game, and now I am there I am not totally sure whether I did the right thing. Perhaps it was a false hope of mine, or I just lost balence.
Now I am not advocating going out in the wilderness at all, nor not dealing with people, as you said there are lots of benefits with participating with society. What should change is the social system, as in the interface itself which social interaction and how we can access the structure. What I find so sad is we have some brilliant minds out there, but so many are blocked from reaching their potential and contributing something more. What has been clear to me is something out there is fundementally wrong, and society needs to move forward and step towards changing this.
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If you thought that you were about to fail physics in two days, would you be debating the fact that you don't want to be polite and think that everyone should be striving to change the "system" so we don't need to get along with other people or would you be studying your ass off?
Both :)
Its not like I havent done a 12 hour day, as well as sitting an exam...
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it always amazes me when aspies moan about rules in social interation. surely, the whole point is that it's easier to interact when there are clear rules as to how to - all you have to do islearn them.
i know i find it much more difficult these days, because social interaction is so much more informal. when i was young, if you met someone, they said, "how do you do?", and you replied with the same, and then advanced bunnies was "pleased to meet you." and that was it. nowadays, apart from saying their mother's a cunt, more or less anything goes, and that's so much harder.
i like formality - it's easy.
Is it easy? I don'think I would say that because it stumps many people.
I think of it as navigable, whereas lack of structure is like rough seas at night, when luck becomes an important factor of your survival.
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it always amazes me when aspies moan about rules in social interation. surely, the whole point is that it's easier to interact when there are clear rules as to how to - all you have to do islearn them.
i know i find it much more difficult these days, because social interaction is so much more informal. when i was young, if you met someone, they said, "how do you do?", and you replied with the same, and then advanced bunnies was "pleased to meet you." and that was it. nowadays, apart from saying their mother's a cunt, more or less anything goes, and that's so much harder.
i like formality - it's easy.
Is it easy? I don'think I would say that because it stumps many people.
I think of it as navigable, whereas lack of structure is like rough seas at night, when luck becomes an important factor of your survival.
Maybe easier is a better word to call it. At least there are books on etiquette that one can read as a guideline to practice more formal manners.
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Wow, I've started a little discussion :)
I don't look at a lot on this site, so often I don't see it when others call others' names. Out of sight out of mind as they say :/
And sure, Site Dudes et al have just as much right as members do (probably more if you think about it) to get angry, frustrated and so forth; but there are many ways to express one's anger.
And no, I'm not looking for moderation, forcing people to be polite teaches nothing, and people learn nothing. There's nothing to be gained from moderation in situations such as these (other situations aren't being discussed here)...
I abhor bullying. I've been a victim of it many times, and I've perpetrated it a few (felt guilty immediately afterward too :( ), I think it's a scourge and testament to people who don't think. People who leap before they look. In real life I excuse much rudeness and some name calling, because speech is so fast, before you know it you've said something wrong and you can't take it back. But this is a forum, we can self-censor ourselves; proof-read, edit, delete our own posts. It doesn't take much effort to take those steps.
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I should clarify, that I'm not setting out to attack or vilify Odeon. I think he's a hero for stepping up to take the reins of the site after Dunc stood down. I'm just voicing my opinion in accordance to the site's philosophy :)
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it always amazes me when aspies moan about rules in social interation. surely, the whole point is that it's easier to interact when there are clear rules as to how to - all you have to do islearn them.
i know i find it much more difficult these days, because social interaction is so much more informal. when i was young, if you met someone, they said, "how do you do?", and you replied with the same, and then advanced bunnies was "pleased to meet you." and that was it. nowadays, apart from saying their mother's a cunt, more or less anything goes, and that's so much harder.
i like formality - it's easy.
Is it easy? I don'think I would say that because it stumps many people.
I think of it as navigable, whereas lack of structure is like rough seas at night, when luck becomes an important factor of your survival.
Maybe easier is a better word to call it. At least there are books on etiquette that one can read as a guideline to practice more formal manners.
If there were no ettiquite, no normal way of being/ behaving then I doubt any of us would have much of a problem with social interaction.
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I don't think he wants moderation, and I'v known GA from several forums, just clarity for his own mind. Then again, I'v been wrong before! :P
Come on, what else do you call someone trying to get us all to mind our P's and Q's. Or was that Arses and Cunts...
Someone with a differing opinion?
His opinion is a reasonable one, and does not equal moderation. He simply wants me to be more polite, but doesn't want to enforce it, which is what moderation really is about.
To me it does, albeit an attempt at persuading us to carry out self-moderation. We do way too much of that irl already...
Politeness is just another nasty hand me down from NT society, as far as I am concerned. Just my take on it.
Your entitled to that opinion and your entitled to think I am wrong. But, IRL, politeness is not censorship or grovelling or sycophancy, it's common sense. So unless your contemplating a career and lifestyle far removed from all contact with other human beings, politeness or diplomacy is a necessary survival skill. Thats my opinion.
As for self moderation, it's how I behave, at least half the time anyway, and believe. It's not imposed on me except by me on myself. GA is free to accept or reject my opinion, as you, Lucifer, odeon, calandale, etc, are free to do as well. It's not going to change how I operate or conduct myself here or in real life. And thats my take on it! :P
Common sense is defined by the society we are in, and as you rightly point out we have to play the game for now. It doesnt mean we should like the game or system, and really we should all be striving to change it. Obviously I play the game myself, but I almost despise myself for playing it. What scares me is in trying hard to conform, one can lose their identity and sense of who they are.
As for imposition, it is imposed on you in the sense you are free to choose not to play along, but the consequences for not playing are pretty disasterous. Not what I would call a free choice myself.
Well, that's because if you behave like an arse, people react. You can still do it if you want, just as people are free to react.
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it always amazes me when aspies moan about rules in social interation. surely, the whole point is that it's easier to interact when there are clear rules as to how to - all you have to do islearn them.
i know i find it much more difficult these days, because social interaction is so much more informal. when i was young, if you met someone, they said, "how do you do?", and you replied with the same, and then advanced bunnies was "pleased to meet you." and that was it. nowadays, apart from saying their mother's a cunt, more or less anything goes, and that's so much harder.
i like formality - it's easy.
Is it easy? I don'think I would say that because it stumps many people.
I think of it as navigable, whereas lack of structure is like rough seas at night, when luck becomes an important factor of your survival.
Maybe easier is a better word to call it. At least there are books on etiquette that one can read as a guideline to practice more formal manners.
If there were no ettiquite, no normal way of being/ behaving then I doubt any of us would have much of a problem with social interaction.
I think I see what you are saying, but I believe that we would have a lot of problems if there were no guidelines at all, because I (for example) don't seem to have those same social instincts that some other people seem to have. Even if we were all cave people with caveman manners, there would still be unwritten rules that governed our behavior in the caves. Even cave people would react to a breach of the unwritten rules. I prefer the rules of social behavior to be written, so I have a chance of getting them.
By the way, don't underestimate the good effects of a massive physics study session. I did one during my first physics course and it was extremely helpful to me. I don't know what kind of learner you are, but I made notes on large paper as if I were trying to make a huge "cheat sheet," although of course I just used it as a study aid and not during exams.
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it always amazes me when aspies moan about rules in social interation. surely, the whole point is that it's easier to interact when there are clear rules as to how to - all you have to do islearn them.
i know i find it much more difficult these days, because social interaction is so much more informal. when i was young, if you met someone, they said, "how do you do?", and you replied with the same, and then advanced bunnies was "pleased to meet you." and that was it. nowadays, apart from saying their mother's a cunt, more or less anything goes, and that's so much harder.
i like formality - it's easy.
Is it easy? I don'think I would say that because it stumps many people.
I think of it as navigable, whereas lack of structure is like rough seas at night, when luck becomes an important factor of your survival.
that's a far more poetic (and comprehensive) way of putting it, dawg. :thumbup:
i think the place where a lot of aspies go wrong is in trying to work out why one says a certain thing according to the rules. my take on it is whatever bizarre reason there is for the phrase/action/whatever, it's necessary in order to keep things running smoothly, for ME, so that's MY reason for doing it.
does that make more sense?
and yep, yep, yep to what callaway said above, both posts.
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it always amazes me when aspies moan about rules in social interation. surely, the whole point is that it's easier to interact when there are clear rules as to how to - all you have to do islearn them.
i know i find it much more difficult these days, because social interaction is so much more informal. when i was young, if you met someone, they said, "how do you do?", and you replied with the same, and then advanced bunnies was "pleased to meet you." and that was it. nowadays, apart from saying their mother's a cunt, more or less anything goes, and that's so much harder.
i like formality - it's easy.
Is it easy? I don'think I would say that because it stumps many people.
I think of it as navigable, whereas lack of structure is like rough seas at night, when luck becomes an important factor of your survival.
Maybe easier is a better word to call it. At least there are books on etiquette that one can read as a guideline to practice more formal manners.
If there were no ettiquite, no normal way of being/ behaving then I doubt any of us would have much of a problem with social interaction.
I think I see what you are saying, but I believe that we would have a lot of problems if there were no guidelines at all, because I (for example) don't seem to have those same social instincts that some other people seem to have. Even if we were all cave people with caveman manners, there would still be unwritten rules that governed our behavior in the caves. Even cave people would react to a breach of the unwritten rules. I prefer the rules of social behavior to be written, so I have a chance of getting them.
I did think about that one, but if you look back over the years a lot of those caveman instincts have been supressed, so I doubt our disadvantage would be as much as you might think. Plus we probably could learn a decent amount of psychology to get around it.
Though I know that if I meet an aspie I can more or less read them, so tbh I am not 100% sure what would happen there entirely.
By the way, don't underestimate the good effects of a massive physics study session. I did one during my first physics course and it was extremely helpful to me. I don't know what kind of learner you are, but I made notes on large paper as if I were trying to make a huge "cheat sheet," although of course I just used it as a study aid and not during exams.
I got up at 8 and have done that pretty much all day. My room now has little bundles of A4 paper everywhere
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how's it going, hadron - do you feel more confident?
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how's it going, hadron - do you feel more confident?
A bit more confident, but not much. I might pass tommorrows paper, so it could be one less to sit in the summer. (if my mit circ form fails)
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that sounds a bit more positive. :thumbup:
the only thing i can say is the same thing i say to all my students who get the major reality check that is end of year/term/semester assessment time: take it as a lesson of what to expect in the second year, and knuckle down, if that's been the problem.
of course, i'm more likely to put it, "take it as a kick up the arse," but then, they'd expect nothing less from me. :laugh:
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that sounds a bit more positive. :thumbup:
the only thing i can say is the same thing i say to all my students who get the major reality check that is end of year/term/semester assessment time: take it as a lesson of what to expect in the second year, and knuckle down, if that's been the problem.
of course, i'm more likely to put it, "take it as a kick up the arse," but then, they'd expect nothing less from me. :laugh:
Yup, I do need a good kick, it almost makes failing sound appealing. Thing is I would have been able to get by like this quite comfortably, if I were more well. Next year I intend to pursue a 1st quite aggressively and that includes showing up at lectures (though I have made it so that I have a lot less to go to next year :) )
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I can kick you if you want me to. No, no, it's no bother. Really. :P
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I can kick you if you want me to. No, no, it's no bother. Really. :P
Well if you can get to Durham I would gladly take a kick if you sit my physics paper for me tommorrow... ;)
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Sorry, I can't. I'm meeting a possible client tomorrow, halfway across *this* country.
What kind of physics?
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that sounds a bit more positive. :thumbup:
the only thing i can say is the same thing i say to all my students who get the major reality check that is end of year/term/semester assessment time: take it as a lesson of what to expect in the second year, and knuckle down, if that's been the problem.
of course, i'm more likely to put it, "take it as a kick up the arse," but then, they'd expect nothing less from me. :laugh:
Yup, I do need a good kick, it almost makes failing sound appealing. Thing is I would have been able to get by like this quite comfortably, if I were more well. Next year I intend to pursue a 1st quite aggressively and that includes showing up at lectures (though I have made it so that I have a lot less to go to next year :) )
i think that's big of you to admit that, and not to do what you used to do, and fins an excuse or someone else to blame it on.
nice one, hadron. :thumbup: :clap:
i think you should unfreeze your karma.
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Sorry, I can't. I'm meeting a possible client tomorrow, halfway across *this* country.
What kind of physics?
3 Quantum Questions
2 Phases of Matter (basically watered down Chemo)
2 Waves
1 Optics
Not at all pleasent, got 100 more formulas to learn for it...
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that sounds a bit more positive. :thumbup:
the only thing i can say is the same thing i say to all my students who get the major reality check that is end of year/term/semester assessment time: take it as a lesson of what to expect in the second year, and knuckle down, if that's been the problem.
of course, i'm more likely to put it, "take it as a kick up the arse," but then, they'd expect nothing less from me. :laugh:
Yup, I do need a good kick, it almost makes failing sound appealing. Thing is I would have been able to get by like this quite comfortably, if I were more well. Next year I intend to pursue a 1st quite aggressively and that includes showing up at lectures (though I have made it so that I have a lot less to go to next year :) )
i think that's big of you to admit that, and not to do what you used to do, and fins an excuse or someone else to blame it on.
nice one, hadron. :thumbup: :clap:
i think you should unfreeze your karma.
Could do I guess.
Dont get me wrong, I still want to murder the Physics dept. There is plenty they could have done too...
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Sorry, I can't. I'm meeting a possible client tomorrow, halfway across *this* country.
What kind of physics?
3 Quantum Questions
2 Phases of Matter (basically watered down Chemo)
2 Waves
1 Optics
Not at all pleasent, got 100 more formulas to learn for it...
I could probably handle those. It's been a while but I still remember some of it.
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Sorry, I can't. I'm meeting a possible client tomorrow, halfway across *this* country.
What kind of physics?
3 Quantum Questions
2 Phases of Matter (basically watered down Chemo)
2 Waves
1 Optics
Not at all pleasent, got 100 more formulas to learn for it...
I could probably handle those. It's been a while but I still remember some of it.
Wish I could.. :(
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The plantiff should wait till he is in a good mood before making judgements about other people.
Ah yeah, psychology test reaching over 60 questions. I have 3 fat books on natural healing methods, one over 1000 pages long, and >$50 in cost. One of those natural healing books is more traditional, a medical book on adults. I got some studying to do, and thanks Sue, for giving me so many deals, I want to promote your store.
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it always amazes me when aspies moan about rules in social interation. surely, the whole point is that it's easier to interact when there are clear rules as to how to - all you have to do islearn them.
i know i find it much more difficult these days, because social interaction is so much more informal. when i was young, if you met someone, they said, "how do you do?", and you replied with the same, and then advanced bunnies was "pleased to meet you." and that was it. nowadays, apart from saying their mother's a cunt, more or less anything goes, and that's so much harder.
i like formality - it's easy.
Is it easy? I don'think I would say that because it stumps many people.
I think of it as navigable, whereas lack of structure is like rough seas at night, when luck becomes an important factor of your survival.
that's a far more poetic (and comprehensive) way of putting it, dawg. :thumbup:
i think the place where a lot of aspies go wrong is in trying to work out why one says a certain thing according to the rules. my take on it is whatever bizarre reason there is for the phrase/action/whatever, it's necessary in order to keep things running smoothly, for ME, so that's MY reason for doing it.
One thing that gets me are the environments where being formal is seen as a negative thing and gets bad reactions. I suppose it's more common around younger people. I don't want to be formal but I end up being seen that way and it makes people uncomfortable.
What people call a lack of structure seems just like a different set of unspoken rules to me.
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What scares me is in trying hard to conform, one can lose their identity and sense of who they are.
I can identify with that remark.
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I don't know about anyone else, but my decision to be here is based on me wanting to 'harden the fuck up' when it comes to how a feel about what other think and say about me.
This place has a name and a reputation, so when people make a choice to be here, there is some level of understanding of what they are in for. We are all adults here, per the rules (sure there might be a few who are lying about there age), so to me, that means all bets are off.
We each individually decide to act in a manner that we feel best represents ourselves and we make that choice on our own. If other wish to judge us by that, and they will, so be it.
Wishing others would self moderate is a cowards way of saying "I want rules here and the way people are acting towards one another upsets me".
At the end of the day you have two choices, leave or the ignore button.
Have a nice day. :green:
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Sorry, I can't. I'm meeting a possible client tomorrow, halfway across *this* country.
What kind of physics?
3 Quantum Questions
2 Phases of Matter (basically watered down Chemo)
2 Waves
1 Optics
Not at all pleasent, got 100 more formulas to learn for it...
I could probably handle those. It's been a while but I still remember some of it.
Wish I could.. :(
How did it go? It was today, right?
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What people call a lack of structure seems just like a different set of unspoken rules to me.
That's pretty much what it feels like to me, too. Or, I can't tell the difference between a truly unstructured environment and one that is full of unspoken rules. :-\
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I don't know about anyone else, but my decision to be here is based on me wanting to 'harden the fuck up' when it comes to how a feel about what other think and say about me.
This place has a name and a reputation, so when people make a choice to be here, there is some level of understanding of what they are in for. We are all adults here, per the rules (sure there might be a few who are lying about there age), so to me, that means all bets are off.
We each individually decide to act in a manner that we feel best represents ourselves and we make that choice on our own. If other wish to judge us by that, and they will, so be it.
Wishing others would self moderate is a cowards way of saying "I want rules here and the way people are acting towards one another upsets me".
At the end of the day you have two choices, leave or the ignore button.
Have a nice day. :green:
That's pretty much what some interpret this site to be about. I sort of agree. But I don't see how a completely voluntary self-moderation is necessarily a bad thing. (By "self", oneself is indicated.)
You can have opinions about others, including their need for moderation, and it's all completely in the spirit of this place, for as long as you don't force them to it.
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Sorry, I can't. I'm meeting a possible client tomorrow, halfway across *this* country.
What kind of physics?
3 Quantum Questions
2 Phases of Matter (basically watered down Chemo)
2 Waves
1 Optics
Not at all pleasent, got 100 more formulas to learn for it...
I could probably handle those. It's been a while but I still remember some of it.
Wish I could.. :(
How did it go? It was today, right?
It didnt, in short.
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Bummer. :(
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What people call a lack of structure seems just like a different set of unspoken rules to me.
That's pretty much what it feels like to me, too. Or, I can't tell the difference between a truly unstructured environment and one that is full of unspoken rules. :-\
I would consider either of those instances as quite similar in difficulty to the literal mind and as near opposites of formality. What I was agreeing with Lucifer about is that formality is "easier" than some things because it can be quickly learned form a set of books or through immersion in the practices of formality.
In the case of unstructured environments or, worse to me, those with some mysterious rubric of expected and acceptable responses to inferred and/nand/if/or/if not matrices, I actually do fairly well, because one of my natural abilities is mimicking what is around me. Figuring out what to do next is often like reading from a blueprint drawn out with invisible ink, but I can "act" by mimicry of those around me and that talent has helped me through these encounters many times.
(I know that doesn't seem honest, but it's called survival)
... as long as I don't stop to think logically or become too self-conscious, that is. If that happens, you get the "immovable stump" behavior from me.
:D
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I don't know about anyone else, but my decision to be here is based on me wanting to 'harden the fuck up' when it comes to how a feel about what other think and say about me.
This place has a name and a reputation, so when people make a choice to be here, there is some level of understanding of what they are in for. We are all adults here, per the rules (sure there might be a few who are lying about there age), so to me, that means all bets are off.
We each individually decide to act in a manner that we feel best represents ourselves and we make that choice on our own. If other wish to judge us by that, and they will, so be it.
Wishing others would self moderate is a cowards way of saying "I want rules here and the way people are acting towards one another upsets me".
At the end of the day you have two choices, leave or the ignore button.
Have a nice day. :green:
Major :plus: :clap:
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Figuring out what to do next is often like reading from a blueprint drawn out with invisible ink, but I can "act" by mimicry of those around me and that talent has helped me through these encounters many times.
(I know that doesn't seem honest, but it's called survival)
I'm curious - how many people here actually are opposed to this kind of mimicking behavior on ethical grounds?
I've also considered it for a long time to be a necessary survival tactic, but I do get occasional intense guilt about not being able to live "honestly". Because the inability is all due to my own reactions being too extreme to moderate without heavy-handedness.
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Figuring out what to do next is often like reading from a blueprint drawn out with invisible ink, but I can "act" by mimicry of those around me and that talent has helped me through these encounters many times.
(I know that doesn't seem honest, but it's called survival)
I'm curious - how many people here actually are opposed to this kind of mimicking behavior on ethical grounds?
I've also considered it for a long time to be a necessary survival tactic, but I do get occasional intense guilt about not being able to live "honestly". Because the inability is all due to my own reactions being too extreme to moderate without heavy-handedness.
I'm on the fence about that. Because mimicking behavior is how I learned to cope/adapt/survive. I honestly DON'T feel guilt about it as there was nothing else for me to do in my time and in the area/school system that I was raised in. Where I feel guilt is in not being able to figure out that "mimicking" was only going to go so far. So my mimickry did cause me some problems along the way, but, I also learned to adapt and modify. :-\ So it was all a two edged sword in so many ways. It took me a long time to figure who the "real" me was .
I remember an old Muppet show with Peter Sellers, Kermit comes on and addresses Peter who's doing something silly and feeling stressed.
KERMIT: Mr. Sellers, just be yourself!
Peter Sellers: I can't, I had myself surgically removed.
Tbh, when somebody tells me to just be "myself", thats the line I always use in response! :laugh:
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That is an awesome line. :evillaugh:
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That is an awesome line. :evillaugh:
Thank you, I am a connoiseur of any and all good lines that attract my attention! 8)
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Figuring out what to do next is often like reading from a blueprint drawn out with invisible ink, but I can "act" by mimicry of those around me and that talent has helped me through these encounters many times.
(I know that doesn't seem honest, but it's called survival)
I'm curious - how many people here actually are opposed to this kind of mimicking behavior on ethical grounds?
I've also considered it for a long time to be a necessary survival tactic, but I do get occasional intense guilt about not being able to live "honestly". Because the inability is all due to my own reactions being too extreme to moderate without heavy-handedness.
I know in school that was grounds for some major hate action on your ass if you were ever found out, but as an asperger adult, I think its a personal thing. If you still need it to survive, then what can you do.
But then again, I think deep down a lot of people do this anyway in some form or another in order to fit into there respective groups, wheather they are aware of it or not.
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Figuring out what to do next is often like reading from a blueprint drawn out with invisible ink, but I can "act" by mimicry of those around me and that talent has helped me through these encounters many times.
(I know that doesn't seem honest, but it's called survival)
I'm curious - how many people here actually are opposed to this kind of mimicking behavior on ethical grounds?
I've also considered it for a long time to be a necessary survival tactic, but I do get occasional intense guilt about not being able to live "honestly". Because the inability is all due to my own reactions being too extreme to moderate without heavy-handedness.
I know in school that was grounds for some major hate action on your ass if you were ever found out, but as an asperger adult, I think its a personal thing. If you still need it to survive, then what can you do.
But then again, I think deep down a lot of people do this anyway in some form or another in order to fit into there respective groups, wheather they are aware of it or not.
I have always been aware of it.
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Figuring out what to do next is often like reading from a blueprint drawn out with invisible ink, but I can "act" by mimicry of those around me and that talent has helped me through these encounters many times.
(I know that doesn't seem honest, but it's called survival)
I'm curious - how many people here actually are opposed to this kind of mimicking behavior on ethical grounds?
I've also considered it for a long time to be a necessary survival tactic, but I do get occasional intense guilt about not being able to live "honestly". Because the inability is all due to my own reactions being too extreme to moderate without heavy-handedness.
Whose ethical grounds?
The guilt generally makes me look even deeper than before to find the "real" me.
rock/hardplace thing?
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Figuring out what to do next is often like reading from a blueprint drawn out with invisible ink, but I can "act" by mimicry of those around me and that talent has helped me through these encounters many times.
(I know that doesn't seem honest, but it's called survival)
I'm curious - how many people here actually are opposed to this kind of mimicking behavior on ethical grounds?
I've also considered it for a long time to be a necessary survival tactic, but I do get occasional intense guilt about not being able to live "honestly". Because the inability is all due to my own reactions being too extreme to moderate without heavy-handedness.
i feel that most of the time, as though i'm "acting". i've always felt that, and wondered wtf was wrong with me. now i know i have AS, it all makes sense. it does make me slightly uncomfortable, at times, but if that's the way i have to be to get on with life, then no point in fretting about it too much. it's a means to an end , and we capricorns are gooooood at that. :laugh:
and it means i've been able to earn a living (at one point) from being an actor/stand up comic, so there's a useful transferable skill, or what? ;D
no ethical grounds at all, as far as i can see, although i'm interested (as in interested :P ) in what you mean by that.
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Figuring out what to do next is often like reading from a blueprint drawn out with invisible ink, but I can "act" by mimicry of those around me and that talent has helped me through these encounters many times.
(I know that doesn't seem honest, but it's called survival)
I'm curious - how many people here actually are opposed to this kind of mimicking behavior on ethical grounds?
I've also considered it for a long time to be a necessary survival tactic, but I do get occasional intense guilt about not being able to live "honestly". Because the inability is all due to my own reactions being too extreme to moderate without heavy-handedness.
i feel that most of the time, as though i'm "acting". i've always felt that, and wondered wtf was wrong with me. now i know i have AS, it all makes sense. it does make me slightly uncomfortable, at times, but if that's the way i have to be to get on with life, then no point in fretting about it too much. it's a means to an end , and we capricorns are gooooood at that. :laugh:
and it means i've been able to earn a living (at one point) from being an actor/stand up comic, so there's a useful transferable skill, or what? ;D
no ethical grounds at all, as far as i can see, although i'm interested (as in interested :P ) in what you mean by that.
Yeah.
I always feel that I have only comprehended about one third of a point Pyraxis has made.
I still feel guilt, but it is a guilt that I can live with since what I have done by "playing along" has usually kept me from various levels of anxieties which are even more difficult to take in stride..
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I'm still trying to understand the emotional investment of people who freak out when they discover someone else's facades. On the spectrum, it seems to have something to do with taking things literally - as in when they discover that not everything about a person can be taken literally, they get really upset because they don't know what to believe anymore. But I have no idea what the hurt/offense is for people who aren't on the spectrum.
I'm talking about things like learning that your partner is faking orgasms, or becoming confused when they say two different things in two different situations, or getting offended at a joke.
I would have thought that it would be forgiven if the offended person understood why facades can be necessary, but it doesn't seem to be.
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Whose ethical grounds?
Their own.
The guilt generally makes me look even deeper than before to find the "real" me.
rock/hardplace thing?
Not sure what you mean by that. I generally have a good sense of what the "real me" is. Communicating it is another matter entirely.
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it does make me slightly uncomfortable, at times, but if that's the way i have to be to get on with life, then no point in fretting about it too much. it's a means to an end
I still feel guilt, but it is a guilt that I can live with since what I have done by "playing along" has usually kept me from various levels of anxieties which are even more difficult to take in stride..
The guilt is because I'm all for short term pragmatism, but I haven't accepted any kind of ultimate necessity of this tactic. (In other words, "I don't want to live in survival mode forever" - though admittedly the jury's still out on that one.) I consider any resulting anxieties my own fault.
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The guilt generally makes me look even deeper than before to find the "real" me.
rock/hardplace thing?
Not sure what you mean by that. I generally have a good sense of what the "real me" is. Communicating it is another matter entirely.
I go through my travels with similar arrogance, but still, to these very days, I discover facets of myself which have yet to find light.
That's all I meant.
If I was pressed to describe a particular faith which I follow, religiously, it would include continuous self-examination and sometimes discovery when I am lucky/ready. I have also slipped from practice occasionally, but I have never lost that faith completely.
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it does make me slightly uncomfortable, at times, but if that's the way i have to be to get on with life, then no point in fretting about it too much. it's a means to an end
I still feel guilt, but it is a guilt that I can live with since what I have done by "playing along" has usually kept me from various levels of anxieties which are even more difficult to take in stride..
The guilt is because I'm all for short term pragmatism, but I haven't accepted any kind of ultimate necessity of this tactic. (In other words, "I don't want to live in survival mode forever" - though admittedly the jury's still out on that one.) I consider any resulting anxieties my own fault.
It becomes a question of degree.
As for me, I can often gain more from some encounters by keeping up a protective shield (not a facade, really), instead of having to stop halfway because I have become overloaded. If I have nothing to gain from a stressful encounter, I will avoid it. I don't want to be a total hermit either, though, since most of the things worth having have to be fought for and then protected. Having some tools to help "strengthen my keel and brace my rudder" makes it possible to do more things than I would undertake if I had no defenses.
I think of mimicry as just such a defense.
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it does make me slightly uncomfortable, at times, but if that's the way i have to be to get on with life, then no point in fretting about it too much. it's a means to an end
I still feel guilt, but it is a guilt that I can live with since what I have done by "playing along" has usually kept me from various levels of anxieties which are even more difficult to take in stride..
The guilt is because I'm all for short term pragmatism, but I haven't accepted any kind of ultimate necessity of this tactic. (In other words, "I don't want to live in survival mode forever" - though admittedly the jury's still out on that one.) I consider any resulting anxieties my own fault.
"short term pragmatism"? over 46 years? i have to disagree, obviously.
besides, if you do it often enough, it becomes second mature. not automatic, but nearly, although when i'm tired/stressed/emotional/etc. it goes straight out of the window. :laugh:
everyone plays roles, aspie or not, whether it's office/father/out with mates, teacher/sister/dopehead, and any other combination your care to mention.
i don't consider it survival - i can do that by being a complete spaz - i consider it making things easier, therefore improving the qaulity of my life. of course it takes work, and of course, i'd prefer it if people met me halfway, but because i'm approachable (can't think of another word, just at the moment, and that's not the definitive word), people are prepared to listen, and then to meet me at least part of the way.
sad but true, but the simple fact of the matter is that we as aspies have to do the work first, before people are educated about AS, and begin to understand it, and then begin to come to us, rather than the opposite.
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It becomes a question of degree.
(...)
I go through my travels with similar arrogance, but still, to these very days, I discover facets of myself which have yet to find light.
That's all I meant.
If I was pressed to describe a particular faith which I follow, religiously, it would include continuous self-examination and sometimes discovery when I am lucky/ready. I have also slipped from practice occasionally, but I have never lost that faith completely.
Good point. Actually what I really want to do is subsume survival by necessity into drive towards goal. I'm too much in love with the mechanisms to do the usual about-face and start preaching absolute acceptance of ease (sorry, really don't know a word for that concept). As long as I'm into the mechanisms I figure I may as well use them for something.
Actually, one of the things I most fear is losing the impetus for discovery because it's no longer needed for survival.
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"short term pragmatism"? over 46 years? i have to disagree, obviously.
I meant as applied to myself, not you. I've no idea if it could be short term for you.
besides, if you do it often enough, it becomes second mature. not automatic, but nearly, although when i'm tired/stressed/emotional/etc. it goes straight out of the window. :laugh:
I'm so tempted to throw in a jibe about efficacy and resultant illness.
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"short term pragmatism"? over 46 years? i have to disagree, obviously.
I meant as applied to myself, not you. I've no idea if it could be short term for you.
besides, if you do it often enough, it becomes second mature. not automatic, but nearly, although when i'm tired/stressed/emotional/etc. it goes straight out of the window. :laugh:
I'm so tempted to throw in a jibe about efficacy and resultant illness.
How about, "Lets not and say we did?" :P
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besides, if you do it often enough, it becomes second mature. not automatic, but nearly, although when i'm tired/stressed/emotional/etc. it goes straight out of the window. :laugh:
I'm so tempted to throw in a jibe about efficacy and resultant illness.
you can if you like. i've been remarkably healthy all my life, often going years without having to see a doctor.
i have been horribly ill (for me) for the past few years, but i blame where i live (cos i hate it), a constant stream of vile events (with causes beyond my control) and age. the external events cause my depression to surface, and i've had that almost constantly for the past ten years, whereas previously, it was more intermittant.
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you can if you like. i've been remarkably healthy all my life, often going years without having to see a doctor.
*shrug* The number of people I've heard brag about that....
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As per usual, I'd have to be dying and near death before I go to the doctors.
That or I need a perscription for something like diclofenac or something.
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you can if you like. i've been remarkably healthy all my life, often going years without having to see a doctor.
*shrug* The number of people I've heard brag about that....
lucky you for knowing so many healthy people.
i wasn't bragging, pyraxis, i was merely refuting your implied connexion between "acting" in social situations (as defined above) and ill health, in my case, anyway.
As per usual, I'd have to be dying and near death before I go to the doctors.
That or I need a perscription for something like diclofenac or something.
bingo. :thumbup:
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lucky you for knowing so many healthy people.
Maybe. Or maybe it's a case of self-attribution bias, because it's just a wee bit statistically unlikely that most people are healthier than most. Either way, it's not like I've conducted any scientific studies on it, but I take such claims with a major grain of salt.
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yes: i imagine it's difficult asking people for their medical records as proof.
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So go play with Callaway.
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lucky you for knowing so many healthy people.
Maybe. Or maybe it's a case of self-attribution bias, because it's just a wee bit statistically unlikely that most people are healthier than most. Either way, it's not like I've conducted any scientific studies on it, but I take such claims with a major grain of salt.
It helps if you have lived with 2 of them I guess...
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So go play with Callaway.
eh?
does not compute.
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At least ask for her dossiers. ;D
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ah, i see.
::)
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About as exciting as it gets. /nods gravely
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i shall lower my expectations forthwith.
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:plus: for the seriousness.
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well, you did nod gravely. i was just mimicking and all that. ;)
:-*
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ah, i see.
::)
Actually, I meant something more along the lines of "if you're only into communicating on a rational level, go play with one of the other people around here who's only into communicating on a rational level".
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well, you did nod gravely. i was just mimicking and all that. ;)
:-*
It's serious business, this thread. Not. :P
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ah, i see.
::)
Actually, I meant something more along the lines of "if you're only into communicating on a rational level, go play with one of the other people around here who's only into communicating on a rational level".
oh yeah, that's definitely me. i never do anything irrational, me.
:LMAO:
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I can confirm this. :P
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you're as deluded as me, then. :laugh:
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I can confirm this, too. :P
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ah, i see.
::)
Actually, I meant something more along the lines of "if you're only into communicating on a rational level, go play with one of the other people around here who's only into communicating on a rational level".
Good observation ...
*tries to regain buoyancy*
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Ya, know this dossier shit inside joke is wearing thin! Sort of like me and my decreasing appetite lately! :P
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oh yeah, that's definitely me. i never do anything irrational, me.
Who said anything about doing? :P I'm just laughing at the insistence that there couldn't possibly be anything but unbiased intentions behind your personal observations.
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oh yeah, that's definitely me. i never do anything irrational, me.
Who said anything about doing? :P I'm just laughing at the insistence that there couldn't possibly be anything but unbiased intentions behind your personal observations.
Like any of us is capable of an unbiased intention in our observations! I am both unbiased and biased...............it all depends upon what and who I am personally observing. Do I feel guilty about it,,,,,,,,,,,,,,fuck no. I am who I am, I have a mind of my own, and I base my judgements of others upon both biased and unbiased evidence. I give latitude to those I trust and feel worthy of latitude. Those I DON'T trust have to work harder to get that latitude. There are only a microscopic few that have no latitude IMO at all. Tombo/zoologist, Inger, natron, tigerlily, LGB, are those who I wouldn't give the time of day. Cal, has potential, but, his path is leading him into my adding him to the list of those people I just mentioned!
Life sucks and then you die! :laugh:
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Tombo/zoologist, Inger, natron, tigerlily, LGB, are those who I wouldn't give the time of day. Cal, has potential, but, his path is leading him into my adding him to the list of those people I just mentioned!
What did Tigerlily do to get on the list, Ozymandias?
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I don't recognize any of those names. Are they members here?
... well I'm pretty sure I know who "Cal" is.
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Tombo/zoologist, Inger, natron, tigerlily, LGB, are those who I wouldn't give the time of day. Cal, has potential, but, his path is leading him into my adding him to the list of those people I just mentioned!
What did Tigerlily do to get on the list, Ozymandias?
By being volatile and unreasonable and just expecting everybody to dance around her moods and whims. Her banning of scrapheap from the AspergianElder's forums for a trivial comment was the straw that broke the camel's back. She gets on a forum and then bails out when things get heavy. She's also a nurse supervisor, and I have known dishonest, volatile supervisor's ever since I got into the field. I have to deal with it IRL, I won't deal with it in electron unreal life. >:(
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I don't recognize any of those names. Are they members here?
... well I'm pretty sure I know who "Cal" is.
Be glad, be very glad!
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I don't recognize any of those names. Are they members here?
... well I'm pretty sure I know who "Cal" is.
No, none of them are currently members here except for Cal.
Tigerlily was Triste, who used to be a member here, but she hasn't been here for a long time.
LGB is Lets Go Blues, a young man from Saint Louis who was completely obsessed with a young woman to the point of harrassing her. He was banned from both WP and Aspergian Island.
Tom (Zoologist) was a member of Aspergia and Aspergian Island who was proved to be duplicitous and Inger was his cheerleader. They were engaged, although they lived on different continents, but the last I heard, she finally got fed up with him and ditched him.
Natron is a person who was also called SimpleComplexities. He had his own board, but he was a member of WP and Aspergian Island, before he was banned.
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Tombo/zoologist, Inger, natron, tigerlily, LGB, are those who I wouldn't give the time of day. Cal, has potential, but, his path is leading him into my adding him to the list of those people I just mentioned!
What did Tigerlily do to get on the list, Ozymandias?
By being volatile and unreasonable and just expecting everybody to dance around her moods and whims. Her banning of scrapheap from the AspergianElder's forums for a trivial comment was the straw that broke the camel's back. She gets on a forum and then bails out when things get heavy. She's also a nurse supervisor, and I have known dishonest, volatile supervisor's ever since I got into the field. I have to deal with it IRL, I won't deal with it in electron unreal life. >:(
She banned him for the "wetback" comment?
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Natron was also suffering from a severe mental health problem(s). Either Bipolar or BPD.
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Tombo/zoologist, Inger, natron, tigerlily, LGB, are those who I wouldn't give the time of day. Cal, has potential, but, his path is leading him into my adding him to the list of those people I just mentioned!
What did Tigerlily do to get on the list, Ozymandias?
By being volatile and unreasonable and just expecting everybody to dance around her moods and whims. Her banning of scrapheap from the AspergianElder's forums for a trivial comment was the straw that broke the camel's back. She gets on a forum and then bails out when things get heavy. She's also a nurse supervisor, and I have known dishonest, volatile supervisor's ever since I got into the field. I have to deal with it IRL, I won't deal with it in electron unreal life. >:(
She banned him for the "wetback" comment?
Thats what I got after "digging" around! ::)
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But, to clarify, I'm not defending "scrap" either. I don't trust/respect him anymore. His volatility is just as bad as "tigerlily's". ::)
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Natron was also suffering from a severe mental health problem(s). Either Bipolar or BPD.
True, he posted that he was involuntarily committed to a mental health facility.
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ah, i see.
::)
Actually, I meant something more along the lines of "if you're only into communicating on a rational level, go play with one of the other people around here who's only into communicating on a rational level".
I'd put my hand up for being on that list/in that group...But I'm not rational.
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oh yeah, that's definitely me. i never do anything irrational, me.
Who said anything about doing? :P I'm just laughing at the insistence that there couldn't possibly be anything but unbiased intentions behind your personal observations.
of course i'm biased: as ozy said, it's part of human nature to be so (i'm paraphrasing).
but if added together, and even if not, your posts don't suggest what you say they mean after i've responded to them. the sole use of rational communication might be anathema to you, but it gets one's point across without ambivalence.
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Tombo/zoologist, Inger, natron, tigerlily, LGB, are those who I wouldn't give the time of day. Cal, has potential, but, his path is leading him into my adding him to the list of those people I just mentioned!
What did Tigerlily do to get on the list, Ozymandias?
By being volatile and unreasonable and just expecting everybody to dance around her moods and whims. Her banning of scrapheap from the AspergianElder's forums for a trivial comment was the straw that broke the camel's back. She gets on a forum and then bails out when things get heavy. She's also a nurse supervisor, and I have known dishonest, volatile supervisor's ever since I got into the field. I have to deal with it IRL, I won't deal with it in electron unreal life. >:(
She banned him for the "wetback" comment?
He has demonstrated his racism here, as well. I have a problem with that, but I know many other racists who are even worse.
It was his dishonesty with his admin privileges while he was here that put me off.
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Yeah, he won't ever be an admin here again.
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He has demonstrated his racism here, as well. I have a problem with that, but I know many other racists who are even worse.
It was his dishonesty with his admin privileges while he was here that put me off.
It bothered me as well.
I don't like people saying racist things, but that isn't something that would ever get them banned here.
Yeah, he won't ever be an admin here again.
Yes, given what he did, I think that is for the best.
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Yeah, he won't ever be an admin here again.
Yes, given what he did, I think that is for the best.
Life's just too short. Yes, the backups work now, but you've all seen how easily this place can crash.
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Yeah, he won't ever be an admin here again.
Yes, given what he did, I think that is for the best.
Life's just too short. Yes, the backups work now, but you've all seen how easily this place can crash.
Would it help to put some old threads into a separate archive?
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Well, a smaller db is always easier to handle, but moving them (splitting the db, actually) would be a lot of work.
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That's what admins are for.
:D
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:lol:
:plus:
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*assumes an eagle's expression*
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That's what admins are for.
:D
I think we have too many posts by now so I wouldn't want to do that by hand.
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That's what admins are for.
:D
I think we have too many posts by now so I wouldn't want to do that by hand.
Backup then prune posts over a year old?
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That's what admins are for.
:D
I think we have too many posts by now so I wouldn't want to do that by hand.
Backup then prune posts over a year old?
Nah. I'll just find some other way to stabilise the thing. I like the fact that we can read stuff from the beginning and onwards. I'm very nostalgic.
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That's what admins are for.
:D
I think we have too many posts by now so I wouldn't want to do that by hand.
Backup then prune posts over a year old?
Nah. I'll just find some other way to stabilise the thing. I like the fact that we can read stuff from the beginning and onwards. I'm very nostalgic.
Not a problem if you uploaded the backup for anyone to grab...
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That's what admins are for.
:D
I think we have too many posts by now so I wouldn't want to do that by hand.
Backup then prune posts over a year old?
Nah. I'll just find some other way to stabilise the thing. I like the fact that we can read stuff from the beginning and onwards. I'm very nostalgic.
Not a problem if you uploaded the backup for anyone to grab...
A gzipped SQL dump? Sorry, but I'm not going to make that available for download. not that most people would benefit.
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That's what admins are for.
:D
I think we have too many posts by now so I wouldn't want to do that by hand.
Backup then prune posts over a year old?
Nah. I'll just find some other way to stabilise the thing. I like the fact that we can read stuff from the beginning and onwards. I'm very nostalgic.
Not a problem if you uploaded the backup for anyone to grab...
A gzipped SQL dump? Sorry, but I'm not going to make that available for download. not that most people would benefit.
Nah, have it set up as a seperate forum, but ban posting in the member permissions. Might be a solution for all those threads that have been untouched for more than a year.
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That's what admins are for.
:D
I think we have too many posts by now so I wouldn't want to do that by hand.
Backup then prune posts over a year old?
Nah. I'll just find some other way to stabilise the thing. I like the fact that we can read stuff from the beginning and onwards. I'm very nostalgic.
Not a problem if you uploaded the backup for anyone to grab...
A gzipped SQL dump? Sorry, but I'm not going to make that available for download. not that most people would benefit.
Nah, have it set up as a seperate forum, but ban posting in the member permissions. Might be a solution for all those threads that have been untouched for more than a year.
I have to agree, either create some kind of "cemetery" for old dead threads or delete them. Call, the new setup a "Boneyard" or somesuch crap. If a thread has not had a posting in a year or 6 months...............it's DEAD. Get rid of it and save the space for something that has more life. IMHO
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I like the fact that we can see all the old threads from the very beginning of Intensitysquared.
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Me too. I don't want to see them go.
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Obviously I would prefer it myself if those posts stayed, but if there are so many that keeping them active screws up the site, then it might be a lot better to archive them.
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Obviously I would prefer it myself if those posts stayed, but if there are so many that keeping them active screws up the site, then it might be a lot better to archive them.
You are right, if there are so many that they screw up the site. I didn't know that they were screwing up the site, though.
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So setup a "Boneyard" or thread cemetery for old threads go to die or to find a new and omnious resurrection..............or would that be reserection! :P
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That's what admins are for.
:D
I think we have too many posts by now so I wouldn't want to do that by hand.
Nah. I'll just find some other way to stabilise the thing. I like the fact that we can read stuff from the beginning and onwards. I'm very nostalgic.
I am in full agreement, with this.
I meant an accessible archive, that would only show up in a certain forum or something.
We don't know yet what is causing the problems, though, RIGHT?
Better to sit on our hands a while longer and watch before making too many changes all at once.
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Idea on keeping nesting threads do a screen capture of each then post it as a jpeg I'll take the time to do it if you think it will work
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I like the fact that we can see all the old threads from the very beginning of Intensitysquared.
Me too. I don't want to see them go.
They are not going anywhere.
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Obviously I would prefer it myself if those posts stayed, but if there are so many that keeping them active screws up the site, then it might be a lot better to archive them.
You are right, if there are so many that they screw up the site. I didn't know that they were screwing up the site, though.
They probably aren't. I think the crashes have something to do with optimizations and empty quotes.
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Idea on keeping nesting threads do a screen capture of each then post it as a jpeg I'll take the time to do it if you think it will work
It's a good idea. But probably not necessary.
Here's a better one, now that I think of it: If one edits those empty quotes to include a comment--any comment--the bug should no longer be of any concern. It's the empty quoting that is to blame, if I'm right.
So if you're up to that, it probably will fix the problem.
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We don't know yet what is causing the problems, though, RIGHT?
I'm not sure but I do suspect the empty quotes.
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We don't know yet what is causing the problems, though, RIGHT?
I'm not sure but I do suspect the empty quotes.
I would delete every empty quote I made if I could, but you know what will happen if you open the thread.
One of you will have to perform this particular magical feat.
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I think it is enough to edit them to include text. Any text is enough, if I'm right, so an "Edit" in 5 point size would work.
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I think it is enough to edit them to include text. Any text is enough, if I'm right, so an "Edit" in 5 point size would work.
I will take care of mine.
I did not know that it was open, once again.
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I think it is enough to edit them to include text. Any text is enough, if I'm right, so an "Edit" in 5 point size would work.
I will take care of mine.
I did not know that it was open, once again.
It's open? I didn't know, either. ???
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I think it is enough to edit them to include text. Any text is enough, if I'm right, so an "Edit" in 5 point size would work.
I will take care of mine.
I did not know that it was open, once again.
It's open? I didn't know, either. ???
Seriously, it shouldn't be, but I haven't looked yet.
EDIT:
It's NOT.
You guys will have to do it or else create another team of spam banners and just delete the fucking things.
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Then it probably isn't. Can't be arsed to look, though.
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Then it probably isn't. Can't be arsed to look, though.
Note the edit.
I just looked. It took some mousing, but no arsing.
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:laugh:
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You guys will have to do it or else create another team of spam banners and just delete the fucking things.
It's against my philosophy to delete posts here. The exception was a single post from Cal, in my ask away thread. I don't plan to change that philosophy.
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You guys will have to do it or else create another team of spam banners and just delete the fucking things.
It's against my philosophy to delete posts here. The exception was a single post from Cal, in my ask away thread. I don't plan to change that philosophy.
So, on short notice, open it for short periods of time and let those who want to help solve this, edit their posts.
Close it again when the attending admin leaves.
Possibly?
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Good thinking.
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You guys will have to do it or else create another team of spam banners and just delete the fucking things.
It's against my philosophy to delete posts here. The exception was a single post from Cal, in my ask away thread. I don't plan to change that philosophy.
So, on short notice, open it for short periods of time and let those who want to help solve this, edit their posts.
Close it again when the attending admin leaves.
Possibly?
It's worth a try.
Edit: I unlocked it and deleted all my empty quotes, I think. I'll double check now.
Here is the thread:
http://www.intensitysquared.com/index.php/topic,8639.0.html
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You guys will have to do it or else create another team of spam banners and just delete the fucking things.
It's against my philosophy to delete posts here. The exception was a single post from Cal, in my ask away thread. I don't plan to change that philosophy.
So, on short notice, open it for short periods of time and let those who want to help solve this, edit their posts.
Close it again when the attending admin leaves.
Possibly?
It's worth a try.
Edit: I unlocked it and deleted all my empty quotes, I think. I'll double check now.
Here is the thread:
http://www.intensitysquared.com/index.php/topic,8639.0.html
I think I got every one of my nested quote, empty posts.
I replaced each post with ...
"Indeed"
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Whew. All gone on my end.
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All clear on my end of the abyss! :P
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Same here.
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Someone else can delete mine if they wish to, I won't mind. But I'm too damn lazy to do it myself :( Sorry
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Someone else can delete mine if they wish to, I won't mind. But I'm too damn lazy to do it myself :( Sorry
It took me less than five minutes and I'm on a dial-up connection.
You must be lazier than a hickory root.
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Lazy perhaps, but he was also the worst offender ;)
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Lazy perhaps, but he was also the worst offender ;)
... and the first one with equipment sensitive enough to recognise the danger. Kept going or not, I don't know, yet. I haven't looked back to determine if any name-calling is due, at this point.
Either way, I invite others to set the table. I am not really a decorator.
:D
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I still doubt that that quote quote broke the database. The breaking I referred to was a rendering issue, purely cosmetic.
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I still doubt that that quote quote broke the database. The breaking I referred to was a rendering issue, purely cosmetic.
Yes, the render you grew was cosmetic, but what caused it to grow?
We don't know yet the real cause of the crashes, do we?
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Huh?
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Is that more understandable after the edit?
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The second sentence makes more sense, yes. But I don't understand "that you (meaning me) grew"
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Being slightly colorful, nothing more.
It "grew" every time someone quoted. Your equipment showed the anomalous error first, if I recall.
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Not my equipment, a plug-in for my browser which resizes the window to certain commonly used screen resolutions.
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AH!
That's kind of cool.
A Vista specific add-on?
I set up a large monitor at work with a vertical display for surfing and the firmware re-sizes the page to fit. It's a twenty eight inch, 16x9 display monitor turned on its side to be a vertical.
You can read the Wall Street Journal (for instance) from a good distance, with no scrolling necessary. Includes a remote. :D
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You broke it, you bought it.
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Someone else can delete mine if they wish to, I won't mind. But I'm too damn lazy to do it myself :( Sorry
I changed your empty quotes to :GA:
Weren't you and Renaeden having problems with your internet service?
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I still doubt that that quote quote broke the database. The breaking I referred to was a rendering issue, purely cosmetic.
If you consider what the quotes actually are, you might reconsider. And the quotes themselves won't break anything, but their handling during optimization might.
The only way I'll find out for sure is to do an optimization *after* the nested quotes are gone. If the db doesn't crash, then I'm probably right.
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I'm pretty sure I didn't participate in that thread.
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AH!
That's kind of cool.
A Vista specific add-on?
No, a Firefox one.
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AH!
That's kind of cool.
A Vista specific add-on?
No, a Firefox one.
OK
The one I set up at work was a Gateway system. I want it. They have the coolest swivel/tilt base for monitor shit I've seen.
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This is just a small call out. In keeping with the site's theme: "Be prepared to back up your words". As such, I'd like the Pretty Tyrant to provide proof to back up this claim:
It looks as though this forum is full of people who don't back up their claims. Sad (emo)
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???
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I'm guessing that Bintytard is trying to shift the goal posts to claim some kind of victory out of the jaws of defeat. ::)
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Ah, right.