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Start here => What's your crime? Basic Discussion => Topic started by: Parts on February 04, 2014, 05:34:42 PM
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Backyard swimming pools should be banned
With drowning in backyard pools accounting for so many child deaths in Australia, is it time to ban backyard pools? Jo Abi says yes.
Drowning is one of the leading cause of death in children under five with majority of those deaths occurring in backyard pools. So why haven’t backyard pools been banned? If any other product or activity caused so many injuries and deaths in our most vulnerable they would be banned, there would be lawsuits, there would be outrage. Except backyard pools are an intrinsic part of Australian culture, and it’s costing us children’s lives.
According to Kidsafe, an average of two Australian children drown each week. Most are under 5 years of age and more than half drown in backyard pools. “The children at greatest risk are toddlers, aged 1-3, and for them drowning is the single most common cause of death”. This statistic doesn’t account for the number of near drownings, many of which result in brain injuries.
Westmead Children’s Hospital confirms that in NSW alone, from 1 July 2010 to 30 June 2011, 12 children under five died from drowning and a further 64 were admitted to hospital for near drowning. “Children under five years of age have the highest mortality rate out of any age group, with approximately 50% of drowning deaths occurring in swimming pools.”
Backyard pools need to be banned. They are way too dangerous. It doesn’t matter if you have a pool fence, locks on your back door, are super vigilant, have children who can swim. Drowning deaths and backyard pool related injuries are too frequent for us to ignore.
Link (http://www.ivillage.com.au/backyard-pools-banned/)
I thought this was an Onion article but apparently it's not. WTF I thought you people in Oz had more sense than this.
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If it saves just one life it will be worth it. Joseph Stalin 1951 :2thumbsup:
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You need to read the article for full effect. It reads like a parody of gun-control advocates criticizing gun availability.
I wonder how many deaths cigarettes cause per year in Australia. :GA:
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You need to read the article for full effect. It reads like a parody of gun-control advocates criticizing gun availability.
I wonder how many deaths cigarettes cause per year in Australia. :GA:
That cigarette problem could be easily solved if they just made them illegal then nobody would be able to get them :zoinks:
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You need to read the article for full effect. It reads like a parody of gun-control advocates criticizing gun availability.
I wonder how many deaths cigarettes cause per year in Australia. :GA:
That cigarette problem could be easily solved if they just made them illegal then nobody would be able to get them :zoinks:
That's an excellent idea! Look how well it's worked with alcohol and drugs! :snowman:
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I wish I had a backyard pool to ban. :violin:
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You need to read the article for full effect. It reads like a parody of gun-control advocates criticizing gun availability.
I wonder how many deaths cigarettes cause per year in Australia. :GA:
That cigarette problem could be easily solved if they just made them illegal then nobody would be able to get them :zoinks:
That's an excellent idea! Look how well it's worked with alcohol and drugs! :snowman:
Well it would if there was a mandatory death penalty for violators :M
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I wish I had a backyard pool to ban. :violin:
They look like too much work for me here in Connecticut you only get about 4 months a year to use them. When I was a kid in Florida the apartment complex I lived in had two pools one they kept heated in the winter and I swam almost every day
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I wish I had a backyard pool to ban. :violin:
They look like too much work for me here in Connecticut you only get about 4 months a year to use them. When I was a kid in Florida the apartment complex I lived in had two pools one they kept heated in the winter and I swam almost every day
Yeah, you're probably right about the work involved. I'd settle for a nice hot tub.
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Are you sure you're not *GROUNDHOG* Gary? :P
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Are you sure you're not *GROUNDHOG* Gary? :P
Nope. I'm a gopher. Write it down. :lol1:
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Are you sure you're not *GROUNDHOG* Gary? :P
Nope. I'm a gopher. Write it down. :lol1:
There's no pen with this computer, only a mouse. Are you a mouse? :zoinks:
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Are you sure you're not *GROUNDHOG* Gary? :P
Nope. I'm a gopher. Write it down. :lol1:
There's no pen with this computer, only a mouse. Are you a mouse? :zoinks:
Only if mouses are gophers. :zoinks:
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Are you sure you're not *GROUNDHOG* Gary? :P
Nope. I'm a gopher. Write it down. :lol1:
There's no pen with this computer, only a mouse. Are you a mouse? :zoinks:
Only if mouses are gophers. :zoinks:
Mouses? :tard: Perhaps you meant "mice". :zoinks:
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Are you sure you're not *GROUNDHOG* Gary? :P
Nope. I'm a gopher. Write it down. :lol1:
There's no pen with this computer, only a mouse. Are you a mouse? :zoinks:
Only if mouses are gophers. :zoinks:
Mouses? :tard: Perhaps you meant "mice". :zoinks:
Nope. I meant gophers. :zoinks:
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The rodent and the punctuation mark are gonna fight! :popcorn:
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Are you sure you're not *GROUNDHOG* Gary? :P
Nope. I'm a gopher. Write it down. :lol1:
There's no pen with this computer, only a mouse. Are you a mouse? :zoinks:
Only if mouses are gophers. :zoinks:
Mouses? :tard: Perhaps you meant "mice". :zoinks:
Nope. I meant groundhogs. :zoinks:
Fixed. :M
The rodent and the punctuation mark are gonna fight! :popcorn:
The mastodon and the groundhog will have a battle of the mammals. :arrr: :orly:
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The rodent and the punctuation mark are gonna fight! :popcorn:
Nah. It's impossible to find any sense of victory in beating up a gopher. :lol1:
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The mastodon and the groundhog will have a battle of the mammals. :arrr: :orly:
Who can win against an invisible mastodon? :dunno:
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The mastodon and the groundhog will have a battle of the mammals. :arrr: :orly:
Who can win against an invisible mastodon? :dunno:
Exactly. :P
Blame the Weeble; she booked the fight. :boxers:
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The mastodon and the groundhog will have a battle of the mammals. :arrr: :orly:
Who can win against an invisible mastodon? :dunno:
Don't believe the hype. The mastodon is clearly visible in Semitrollin's avatar. :zoinks:
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The mastodon and the groundhog will have a battle of the mammals. :arrr: :orly:
Who can win against an invisible mastodon? :dunno:
Exactly. :P
Blame the Weeble; she booked the fight. :boxers:
I don't write the news; I merely report it. :M :P
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You need to read the article for full effect. It reads like a parody of gun-control advocates criticizing gun availability.
I wonder how many deaths cigarettes cause per year in Australia. :GA:
That cigarette problem could be easily solved if they just made them illegal then nobody would be able to get them :zoinks:
That's an excellent idea! Look how well it's worked with alcohol and drugs! :snowman:
Well it would if there was a mandatory death penalty for violators :M
If it saves just one life it will be worth it. :trollface:
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The mastodon and the groundhog will have a battle of the mammals. :arrr: :orly:
Who can win against an invisible mastodon? :dunno:
Don't believe the hype. The mastodon is clearly visible in Semitrollin's avatar. :zoinks:
That's an artist's rendition. :M
The mastodon and the groundhog will have a battle of the mammals. :arrr: :orly:
Who can win against an invisible mastodon? :dunno:
Exactly. :P
Blame the Weeble; she booked the fight. :boxers:
I don't write the news; I merely report it. :M :P
If this was hockey, you'd have gotten a penalty. :stick: Two minutes for instigating, perhaps. :pinocchio:
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Had one of those blow up side pools when the kid was little...big one.
Spent 75% of my time cleaning it, the other 90% watching the neighbor kids swim in it while mine played with the hose, and the rest of the time fixing the pump and taking it down and cleaning it for winter. :voodoo:
Thankfully the fucker finally collapsed. I bought the kid a sprinkler. He spent more time playing in it than he ever did the pool. :dunno:
I think I'll get a kiddy pool for the back deck this summer. :apondering:
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There are some pretty strict rules here about fencing around pools so little kids can't get to them. Since Google Earth has been around, the authorities can easily find out who has a pool and whether or not they have a fence around it.
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The problem is a complicated one. The reason is that here is a number of problems contribute to the deaths.
1) Poorly supervised kids.
2) Pools built before a certain time when pool restrictions and safety regulations were lax.
3) Pool security that is damaged (broken locks on pool fence or what have you)
4) Pools simply not installed as to the restriction or "modified" after passing the safety regulations.
5) Sometimes despite all of this, a determined kid with a mind may find themselves drowned despite all safety precautions.
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There are some pretty strict rules here about fencing around pools so little kids can't get to them. Since Google Earth has been around, the authorities can easily find out who has a pool and whether or not they have a fence around it.
That should be illegal. Here, aerial photography is a Constitutionally tricky question.
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You need to read the article for full effect. It reads like a parody of gun-control advocates criticizing gun availability.
I wonder how many deaths cigarettes cause per year in Australia. :GA:
This article is actually thanks to me. Several years ago I posted a gun-control parody about swimming pools on a Swedish board. Some months later there was an article in a Swedish newspaper - obviously missing the irony in my post - about how dangerous swimming pools were. Now it seems that it has reached all the way to Australia, where people thankfully understood the irony and the absurdity of gun-control.
By the way: more people are actually drowned in swimming pools than killed by guns - even in America. Yet I have never heard any serious suggestion about banning or even restricting swimming pools.
The cigarette argument is also good: in Sweden less than 80 people a year are killed by guns, while more than 8000 are killed by smoking. Yet it is tobacco that only has an age limit of 18 years and guns that are controlled draconically.
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Child deaths in pools are largely (but not 100% of the time) caused by these things.
1. Dumb fucks not having child safe pool fences
2. Dumb fucks not supervising their kids properly
3. Dumb fucks in a country with lots of access to swimming facilities not teaching their kids to swim and about water safety
But for some reason it isn't ok to point out to people that they are dumb cunts. However it is okay to legislate to prevent their dumb cuntery.
I've said this many times before but the world would be a much better place if people had their idiocy pointed out to them.
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Child deaths in pools are largely (but not 100% of the time) caused by these things.
1. Dumb fucks not having child safe pool fences
2. Dumb fucks not supervising their kids properly
3. Dumb fucks in a country with lots of access to swimming facilities not teaching their kids to swim and about water safety
But for some reason it isn't ok to point out to people that they are dumb cunts. However it is okay to legislate to prevent their dumb cuntery.
I've said this many times before but the world would be a much better place if people had their idiocy pointed out to them.
Dumb fucks
Yep. If we're going to ban one thing, might as well ban everything else. The problem is never the object.
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Whenever I flew over Spain, going in for landing, I could always see a myriad of small, blue backyard pools growing into vision. THOUSANDS
I'd guess 70-80% of all suburban homes in Spain has that pool.
Not once did I see a kid floating dead in them. Not once!
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Whenever I flew over Spain, going in for landing, I could always see a myriad of small, blue backyard pools growing into vision. THOUSANDS
I'd guess 70-80% of all suburban homes in Spain has that pool.
Not once did I see a kid floating dead in them. Not once!
How dare you present this argument? You made that up or something. I want to make the world safer, so shut the hell up and let me ban things.
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Whenever I flew over Spain, going in for landing, I could always see a myriad of small, blue backyard pools growing into vision. THOUSANDS
I'd guess 70-80% of all suburban homes in Spain has that pool.
Not once did I see a kid floating dead in them. Not once!
How dare you present this argument? You made that up or something. I want to make the world safer, so shut the hell up and let me ban things.
Did you see Penn and Teller's episode about people being dangerous? Their point was obviously the opposite, that when you remove the tiny percentage of any population thats a murderer, violent, etc, you end up with a HUGE majority of decent people.
They showed an example of a mother who sent her 10 year old kid on the NY-metro, to school.
I thought about that, and as counter-intuitive as it seems - who in their right mind will mug or attack a 10 year old!? I mean - anything can happen, to anybody, statistically, but odds wise, you're probably MORE likely being mugged if you are an adult working man, than if you are a little kid with a backpack.
Imagine the loss of street cred, you show up to your homies, with a red and yellow backpack that you stole from a crying child :D
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Child deaths in pools are largely (but not 100% of the time) caused by these things.
1. Dumb fucks not having child safe pool fences
2. Dumb fucks not supervising their kids properly
3. Dumb fucks in a country with lots of access to swimming facilities not teaching their kids to swim and about water safety
But for some reason it isn't ok to point out to people that they are dumb cunts. However it is okay to legislate to prevent their dumb cuntery.
I've said this many times before but the world would be a much better place if people had their idiocy pointed out to them.
I pretty much agree with 1 & 2, but have some reservations about 3.
There isn't "lots" of access to swimming facilities. Surprisingly in the New Orleans in the middle class neighborhoods swimming pools are few and far between. In the poorer neighborhoods they are pretty non-existent. You can't teach your child to swim if you don't know how to swim yourself. Classes cost $, even at the Y. It isn't really possible to teach every child to swim (access to pools, time available to parents, money). Some like the PR are natural swimmers (how she can swim using one arm and leg is a marvel to watch); no one taught her.
I'm not sure how true this is, but I've been told the US Navy prefers you not to know how to swim before you enlist. They'd rather teach you properly.
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As an aside, from a biography of W. C. Fields -
W. C. Fields notoriously hated children. He had a pool in the backyard of his Hollywood home. Anthony Quinn was his next door neighbor. Quinn's 2 year old son wandered into Fields' back yard and drowned in the pool. The next day Fields had the pool filled in. Reportedly he would spend hours drinking and looking at the place where the pool was. Maybe he wasn't such a bad guy after all.
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You need to read the article for full effect. It reads like a parody of gun-control advocates criticizing gun availability.
I wonder how many deaths cigarettes cause per year in Australia. :GA:
This article is actually thanks to me. Several years ago I posted a gun-control parody about swimming pools on a Swedish board. Some months later there was an article in a Swedish newspaper - obviously missing the irony in my post - about how dangerous swimming pools were. Now it seems that it has reached all the way to Australia, where people thankfully understood the irony and the absurdity of gun-control.
By the way: more people are actually drowned in swimming pools than killed by guns - even in America. Yet I have never heard any serious suggestion about banning or even restricting swimming pools.
The cigarette argument is also good: in Sweden less than 80 people a year are killed by guns, while more than 8000 are killed by smoking. Yet it is tobacco that only has an age limit of 18 years and guns that are controlled draconically.
Well hello Lit, good to see you surfacing again.
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Child deaths in pools are largely (but not 100% of the time) caused by these things.
1. Dumb fucks not having child safe pool fences
2. Dumb fucks not supervising their kids properly
3. Dumb fucks in a country with lots of access to swimming facilities not teaching their kids to swim and about water safety
But for some reason it isn't ok to point out to people that they are dumb cunts. However it is okay to legislate to prevent their dumb cuntery.
I've said this many times before but the world would be a much better place if people had their idiocy pointed out to them.
When I was a kid, most kids would be sent to swimming lessons at a young age. And, schools had swimming in their curriculum too. Regular swimming lessons for the ones unable to swim, and lessons like rescue swimming for the 95% of kids who could swim.
With more immigrants, from more dry countries, the percentage of parents sending their kids to swimming lessons plummeted. But, since councils made it possible for primary schools to give swimming lessons, most kids were able to keep themselves floating.
8 years ago the council where I live economised swimming lessons away. Part of parental responsibility. May be true. But it sucks if you are a kid happening to have parents who either cannot afford it, or do not realise it is important to be able to swim in a country with lots of water.
So, stupid parents, and stupid politics.
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There is somewhat limited access to places to learn to swim properly were I live also, there are public pools but the hours are limited and the beach is not always very pleasant, I did not learn till I moved to Florida when I was 11. I had my kids take lessons
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I wonder how many drowning deaths were actually kids of the people that owned the pool?
We had a pool for approx. less than 2 seasons. One of those take down every year, cheap ass blow up the ring and fill things...they probably look like a giant blue condom filled with water from an airplane. :P
My kid (who was around 4 at the time) was never unsupervised, the pool was in a fenced in yard, and he was taught the basics.
I spent 95% of my summer months chasing the neighborhood kids, their dogs, and their friends out of it. If I actually had a life, and left the house like normal people do, they probably would have been in it 24/7. Talking to most of their parents was like talking to air.
Yes, I could have spent $600 on building an 8ft lockable fence they maybe couldn't have climbed over to protect my $49.99 Walmart pool, but I didn't.
The neighbors a street down had a lockable 10ft fence around their fancy in-ground pool...maybe with a double string of barbed wire at the top and security cameras it might have actually worked...they used replace a section every other year because someone would cut a hole in the fence if they left on vacation.
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This article is actually thanks to me.
That's awesome.
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Child deaths in pools are largely (but not 100% of the time) caused by these things.
1. Dumb fucks not having child safe pool fences
2. Dumb fucks not supervising their kids properly
3. Dumb fucks in a country with lots of access to swimming facilities not teaching their kids to swim and about water safety
But for some reason it isn't ok to point out to people that they are dumb cunts. However it is okay to legislate to prevent their dumb cuntery.
I've said this many times before but the world would be a much better place if people had their idiocy pointed out to them.
I pretty much agree with 1 & 2, but have some reservations about 3.
There isn't "lots" of access to swimming facilities. Surprisingly in the New Orleans in the middle class neighborhoods swimming pools are few and far between. In the poorer neighborhoods they are pretty non-existent. You can't teach your child to swim if you don't know how to swim yourself. Classes cost $, even at the Y. It isn't really possible to teach every child to swim (access to pools, time available to parents, money). Some like the PR are natural swimmers (how she can swim using one arm and leg is a marvel to watch); no one taught her.
I'm not sure how true this is, but I've been told the US Navy prefers you not to know how to swim before you enlist. They'd rather teach you properly.
When I was growing up in Australia swimming and water safety was taught at school. Was generalizing based on my own experience sorry, and also the article was about Australia.
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I wonder how many drowning deaths were actually kids of the people that owned the pool?
^This.
You do your utmost to protect your kids, teach them to do this and that, but very often, other people are the problem.
It's a bit like traffic, isn't it? You can drive safely, hold every speed limit and stop on every red light, switch lanes responsibly, never handle a mobile phone while driving, etc, etc, etc, but all it takes is a single idiot who decides that he isn't too drunk to drive.
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Child deaths in pools are largely (but not 100% of the time) caused by these things.
1. Dumb fucks not having child safe pool fences
2. Dumb fucks not supervising their kids properly
3. Dumb fucks in a country with lots of access to swimming facilities not teaching their kids to swim and about water safety
But for some reason it isn't ok to point out to people that they are dumb cunts. However it is okay to legislate to prevent their dumb cuntery.
I've said this many times before but the world would be a much better place if people had their idiocy pointed out to them.
I pretty much agree with 1 & 2, but have some reservations about 3.
There isn't "lots" of access to swimming facilities. Surprisingly in the New Orleans in the middle class neighborhoods swimming pools are few and far between. In the poorer neighborhoods they are pretty non-existent. You can't teach your child to swim if you don't know how to swim yourself. Classes cost $, even at the Y. It isn't really possible to teach every child to swim (access to pools, time available to parents, money). Some like the PR are natural swimmers (how she can swim using one arm and leg is a marvel to watch); no one taught her.
I'm not sure how true this is, but I've been told the US Navy prefers you not to know how to swim before you enlist. They'd rather teach you properly.
When I was growing up in Australia swimming and water safety was taught at school. Was generalizing based on my own experience sorry, and also the article was about Australia.
I think that would be a good idea here in the US also but so much is taught just to get test scores up a lot of other things get pushed aside but that's a whole other thread
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Child deaths in pools are largely (but not 100% of the time) caused by these things.
1. Dumb fucks not having child safe pool fences
2. Dumb fucks not supervising their kids properly
3. Dumb fucks in a country with lots of access to swimming facilities not teaching their kids to swim and about water safety
But for some reason it isn't ok to point out to people that they are dumb cunts. However it is okay to legislate to prevent their dumb cuntery.
I've said this many times before but the world would be a much better place if people had their idiocy pointed out to them.
I pretty much agree with 1 & 2, but have some reservations about 3.
There isn't "lots" of access to swimming facilities. Surprisingly in the New Orleans in the middle class neighborhoods swimming pools are few and far between. In the poorer neighborhoods they are pretty non-existent. You can't teach your child to swim if you don't know how to swim yourself. Classes cost $, even at the Y. It isn't really possible to teach every child to swim (access to pools, time available to parents, money). Some like the PR are natural swimmers (how she can swim using one arm and leg is a marvel to watch); no one taught her.
I'm not sure how true this is, but I've been told the US Navy prefers you not to know how to swim before you enlist. They'd rather teach you properly.
When I was growing up in Australia swimming and water safety was taught at school. Was generalizing based on my own experience sorry, and also the article was about Australia.
I think that would be a good idea here in the US also but so much is taught just to get test scores up a lot of other things get pushed aside but that's a whole other thread
Test scores up and cost down seems to count only. Very sad. But that is what it is about lately.
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Child deaths in pools are largely (but not 100% of the time) caused by these things.
1. Dumb fucks not having child safe pool fences
2. Dumb fucks not supervising their kids properly
3. Dumb fucks in a country with lots of access to swimming facilities not teaching their kids to swim and about water safety
But for some reason it isn't ok to point out to people that they are dumb cunts. However it is okay to legislate to prevent their dumb cuntery.
I've said this many times before but the world would be a much better place if people had their idiocy pointed out to them.
I pretty much agree with 1 & 2, but have some reservations about 3.
There isn't "lots" of access to swimming facilities. Surprisingly in the New Orleans in the middle class neighborhoods swimming pools are few and far between. In the poorer neighborhoods they are pretty non-existent. You can't teach your child to swim if you don't know how to swim yourself. Classes cost $, even at the Y. It isn't really possible to teach every child to swim (access to pools, time available to parents, money). Some like the PR are natural swimmers (how she can swim using one arm and leg is a marvel to watch); no one taught her.
I'm not sure how true this is, but I've been told the US Navy prefers you not to know how to swim before you enlist. They'd rather teach you properly.
When I was growing up in Australia swimming and water safety was taught at school. Was generalizing based on my own experience sorry, and also the article was about Australia.
I think that would be a good idea here in the US also but so much is taught just to get test scores up a lot of other things get pushed aside but that's a whole other thread
Test scores up and cost down seems to count only. Very sad. But that is what it is about lately.
My Mum is a teacher and apparently they spend days at a time these days having children practise tests and learn how to do well on tests. Not fucking educating them but training them how to do fucking tests!
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Yep, because the test scores determine how much funding the school receives.
They need a class on common sense, since half the parents don't have it anymore.
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My Mum is a teacher and apparently they spend days at a time these days having children practise tests and learn how to do well on tests. Not fucking educating them but training them how to do fucking tests!
It's the same here too, curriculums geared toward standardized testing.
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I hate standardized tests -_-
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I would HATE to be without my pool during summer.
Right now it is full of snow.
:'(
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I would HATE to be without my pool during summer.
Right now it is full of snow.
:'(
Time for skating. :snowman:
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I hate standardized tests -_-
When I was in I think second grade I got in trouble for making patterns filling in the circles rather than answers :green: Back then, 70s, they didn't have many of the tests and I hated them I can't imagine what it would be like now
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I hate standardized tests -_-
When I was in I think second grade I got in trouble for making patterns filling in the circles rather than answers :green: Back then, 70s, they didn't have many of the tests and I hated them I can't imagine what it would be like now
Lol, reminds me of a test my kid brought home. There were bands of grey with white regular dots above and below the test, so, she had been creative with that.
The remark of the teacher was. "WHY, name of my kid????"
I saw the test, and burst out laughing. Telling my daughter I would have understood better if the teacher had remarked on all other tests "Why not?"
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I hate standardized tests -_-
When I was in I think second grade I got in trouble for making patterns filling in the circles rather than answers :green: Back then, 70s, they didn't have many of the tests and I hated them I can't imagine what it would be like now
Parts, I remember being given IQ tests in grammar and high school. They said wrong answers didn't count so when I saw I had about 2 or so minutes left on the tests I simply filled in all the remaining bubbles. Managed to get enough right to get me into Mensa years later.
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I would HATE to be without my pool during summer.
Right now it is full of snow.
:'(
Time for skating. :snowman:
FUCK THAT!!
I will watch skating on television. I hate winter!
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I would HATE to be without my pool during summer.
Right now it is full of snow.
:'(
Time for skating. :snowman:
FUCK THAT!!
I will watch skating on television. I hate winter!
Winter is :viking: but only when there is ice and snow. Rain constantly is shit though
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It hasn't rained here since last year.
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It hasn't rained here since last year.
It hasn't rained much in America since last year, either. :snowman:
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I would HATE to be without my pool during summer.
Right now it is full of snow.
:'(
Time for skating. :snowman:
FUCK THAT!!
I will watch skating on television. I hate winter!
Winter is :viking: but only when there is ice and snow. Rain constantly is shit though
I HATE WINTER!!!
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It hasn't rained here since last year.
It hasn't rained much in America since last year, either. :snowman:
It feels like it has been raining here ever since last year.
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I hate standardized tests -_-
When I was in I think second grade I got in trouble for making patterns filling in the circles rather than answers :green: Back then, 70s, they didn't have many of the tests and I hated them I can't imagine what it would be like now
Parts, I remember being given IQ tests in grammar and high school. They said wrong answers didn't count so when I saw I had about 2 or so minutes left on the tests I simply filled in all the remaining bubbles. Managed to get enough right to get me into Mensa years later.
By guessing? :-\
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Yep, because the test scores determine how much funding the school receives.
They need a class on common sense, since half the parents don't have it anymore.
Unfortunately most of the teachers aren't qualified to give them.
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I hate standardized tests -_-
When I was in I think second grade I got in trouble for making patterns filling in the circles rather than answers :green: Back then, 70s, they didn't have many of the tests and I hated them I can't imagine what it would be like now
Parts, I remember being given IQ tests in grammar and high school. They said wrong answers didn't count so when I saw I had about 2 or so minutes left on the tests I simply filled in all the remaining bubbles. Managed to get enough right to get me into Mensa years later.
By guessing? :-\
Welcome to America. :thumbup:
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Whenever I flew over Spain, going in for landing, I could always see a myriad of small, blue backyard pools growing into vision. THOUSANDS
I'd guess 70-80% of all suburban homes in Spain has that pool.
Not once did I see a kid floating dead in them. Not once!
How dare you present this argument? You made that up or something. I want to make the world safer, so shut the hell up and let me ban things.
Did you see Penn and Teller's episode about people being dangerous? Their point was obviously the opposite, that when you remove the tiny percentage of any population thats a murderer, violent, etc, you end up with a HUGE majority of decent people.
They showed an example of a mother who sent her 10 year old kid on the NY-metro, to school.
I thought about that, and as counter-intuitive as it seems - who in their right mind will mug or attack a 10 year old!? I mean - anything can happen, to anybody, statistically, but odds wise, you're probably MORE likely being mugged if you are an adult working man, than if you are a little kid with a backpack.
Imagine the loss of street cred, you show up to your homies, with a red and yellow backpack that you stole from a crying child :D
Exactly. That episode wasn't what I had in mind, but that's a perfect example of my point of view. I think this attitude is caused by several things. Bored people, ignorance, dependence on the state, and irrational fear. The general desire is a safer society, and that's a good thing. The product of this approach though? Meh, not so good.
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I hate standardized tests -_-
When I was in I think second grade I got in trouble for making patterns filling in the circles rather than answers :green: Back then, 70s, they didn't have many of the tests and I hated them I can't imagine what it would be like now
Parts, I remember being given IQ tests in grammar and high school. They said wrong answers didn't count so when I saw I had about 2 or so minutes left on the tests I simply filled in all the remaining bubbles. Managed to get enough right to get me into Mensa years later.
By guessing? :-\
Welcome to America. :thumbup:
Her Majesty doesn't giver herself enough credit.
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I hate standardized tests -_-
When I was in I think second grade I got in trouble for making patterns filling in the circles rather than answers :green: Back then, 70s, they didn't have many of the tests and I hated them I can't imagine what it would be like now
Parts, I remember being given IQ tests in grammar and high school. They said wrong answers didn't count so when I saw I had about 2 or so minutes left on the tests I simply filled in all the remaining bubbles. Managed to get enough right to get me into Mensa years later.
By guessing? :-\
Welcome to America. :thumbup:
Her Majesty doesn't giver herself enough credit.
Agreed.
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I scored really high on the IQ test in elementary school. Killed half of my brain cells in high school though. :stoned: :beer:
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I hate standardized tests -_-
When I was in I think second grade I got in trouble for making patterns filling in the circles rather than answers :green: Back then, 70s, they didn't have many of the tests and I hated them I can't imagine what it would be like now
Parts, I remember being given IQ tests in grammar and high school. They said wrong answers didn't count so when I saw I had about 2 or so minutes left on the tests I simply filled in all the remaining bubbles. Managed to get enough right to get me into Mensa years later.
By guessing? :-\
Welcome to America. :thumbup:
Her Majesty doesn't giver herself enough credit.
Agreed.
Thanks, but no cigar. I've got some gaping chasms in my thinking ability.
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I scored really high on the IQ test in elementary school. Killed half of my brain cells in high school though. :stoned: :beer:
Did you have to leave Mensa? :zoinks:
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Thanks, but no cigar. I've got some gaping chasms in my thinking ability.
Have seen many intellectually gifted autistics say similar. Thinking that's to be expected, considering the territory, and has nothing to do with credit deserved. High functioning autistics are often twice exceptional. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Twice_exceptional (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Twice_exceptional)
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Thanks, but no cigar. I've got some gaping chasms in my thinking ability.
Have seen many intellectually gifted autistics say similar. Thinking that's to be expected, considering the territory, and has nothing to do with credit deserved. High functioning autistics are often twice exceptional. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Twice_exceptional (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Twice_exceptional)
Detailed IQ profiles can show amazing things, bouncing from extreme highs to extreme lows on different aspects measured. One of my kids has a gap between verbal and performal of over 30 points, but within the performal, she has gaps over more than 70 points.
Such weird intelligence profiles are seen more with people on the spectrum than with average people, I got told.
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I scored really high on the IQ test in elementary school. Killed half of my brain cells in high school though. :stoned: :beer:
Did you have to leave Mensa? :zoinks:
Never any mention of that. My parents DID get a phone call about it though...probably something like, "she actually has a brain, we found it" or "we think she may have cheated on an IQ test".
I hated school, I never studied, but always managed to pull off a passing grade on every test that half the class would bomb.
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Thanks, but no cigar. I've got some gaping chasms in my thinking ability.
Have seen many intellectually gifted autistics say similar. Thinking that's to be expected, considering the territory, and has nothing to do with credit deserved. High functioning autistics are often twice exceptional. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Twice_exceptional (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Twice_exceptional)
Detailed IQ profiles can show amazing things, bouncing from extreme highs to extreme lows on different aspects measured. One of my kids has a gap between verbal and performal of over 30 points, but within the performal, she has gaps over more than 70 points.
Such weird intelligence profiles are seen more with people on the spectrum than with average people, I got told.
Personally have the spelling ability of an adolescent. Thankfully work in abstract code and have no great need for the skill. :laugh:
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I hated school, I never studied, but always managed to pull off a passing grade on every test that half the class would bomb.
School wasn't my scene either. It also wasn't overly stressed as important in the home, only grades, so skipped a lot of class and scored a B.
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Thanks, but no cigar. I've got some gaping chasms in my thinking ability.
Have seen many intellectually gifted autistics say similar. Thinking that's to be expected, considering the territory, and has nothing to do with credit deserved. High functioning autistics are often twice exceptional. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Twice_exceptional (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Twice_exceptional)
Detailed IQ profiles can show amazing things, bouncing from extreme highs to extreme lows on different aspects measured. One of my kids has a gap between verbal and performal of over 30 points, but within the performal, she has gaps over more than 70 points.
Such weird intelligence profiles are seen more with people on the spectrum than with average people, I got told.
That's what they told me, too. Apparently my IQ profile is by itself an indication of my spazziness.
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I scored really high on the IQ test in elementary school. Killed half of my brain cells in high school though. :stoned: :beer:
Did you have to leave Mensa? :zoinks:
Never any mention of that. My parents DID get a phone call about it though...probably something like, "she actually has a brain, we found it" or "we think she may have cheated on an IQ test".
:rofl:
I hated school, I never studied, but always managed to pull off a passing grade on every test that half the class would bomb.
That's what I did with everything I wasn't interested in.
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That's what I did with everything I wasn't interested in.
Used to sometimes pay other people to do the stuff not interested in.
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You need to read the article for full effect. It reads like a parody of gun-control advocates criticizing gun availability.
I wonder how many deaths cigarettes cause per year in Australia. :GA:
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..........that's 5 minutes of my time I'll never get back. :M
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Ceilidh was told in school she had "near total recall" which is pretty cool.
I failed three years of high school and was told not to attempt uni entrance.
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Ending this thread:
It is NOT the pools which kill children; it is the inattentive parents that allow tragedy to occur.
Horror, TEH HORROR!
... but be real folks. It is NOT the pool's fault.
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That's what I did with everything I wasn't interested in.
Used to sometimes pay other people to do the stuff not interested in.
Never did that, me.
But I remember a particularly boring course at the uni, numerical analysis using Fortran (this was the first half of the 80s). I couldn't be arsed to do the lab assignments so I hacked my way into the superuser account and, um, borrowed the code from there.
Good times. :laugh:
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That's what I did with everything I wasn't interested in.
Used to sometimes pay other people to do the stuff not interested in.
Never did that, me.
But I remember a particularly boring course at the uni, numerical analysis using Fortran (this was the first half of the 80s). I couldn't be arsed to do the lab assignments so I hacked my way into the superuser account and, um, borrowed the code from there.
Good times. :laugh:
Usually did my own basic assignments, while in other classes. Just wasn't the homework type; had better things to do, so sometimes paid for big stuff like essays and research papers.
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That numerical analysis stuff was an exception--I did my assignments properly, for the most part.
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You need to read the article for full effect. It reads like a parody of gun-control advocates criticizing gun availability.
I wonder how many deaths cigarettes cause per year in Australia. :GA:
It's an argument gun rights advocates have used for years, far more kids die by drowning in swimming pools than die due to guns, unless of course, you're black.