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Arena for the Competitive => Main Event Callouts => Topic started by: Al Swearegen on September 27, 2010, 06:33:45 AM
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i sent alex my last donation on the 7th of september. (monday was a holiday here, labour day. no mail) right around the same time i got my new computer. before i found out what a scammer he was, and everything else. so you can really go back and see if thats true or not.
and my point is you are a trouble maker reguardless
I kinda like Sir Les as an asshole, he makes a lot of sense. Also lives up to the reputation of his avatar
I should also add he scared an NT off another forum and off WP too. Go figure.
I scared off a NT? Really? Little old me? Which NT and was that a good or a bad thing Kit?
Remember Granatelli?
When was I bitching about him? I don't ever recall.
Granatelli left because sir les brought the issue back and then others stepped in saying how they were bothered by his comments, I stepped in too and then he decided to leave. I felt sorry for him and didn't know what to say when he said nobody likes him and he is unwanted there. All I could say is sorry he feels that way. He lurked for two months and then I haven't seen him since. If anyone leaves over an incident, I see it as scaring them off. I can say others scared Sir Les off because they didn't like his behavior. I say some of us scared BruceCM off because we caught him with his sockpuppet.
If anyone wants to see the links, I'll be glad to post them here where the drama occurred. Then others can judge for themselves.
I think I may have started something. Oh shit. Why must I be good at these things when it's not my intention?
But thank goodness this is I2.
OK Kit you are right.
It is I2 and that maxim "BE PREPARED TO BACK UP YOUR WORDS" is very true. You demand this off me and all good. No issue. But I will certainly do no less of you. In fact moreso.
Your intention is VERY clear Kit don't play it down. You love drama and want to back a shitty point of Richard's and I am going to go gunning for you on this one. See I call it like it is and don't try to dress it down.
No-one scared me off. I thought the stand they were taking was not much to my liking and I had other forums which were giving me far more joy.
You can try to gloss over what happen in trying to spin things one way or another but I will call it true to rights and I have no issue and then I will get you in light of the facts to explain what you have said.
So yes, I remember Grantanelli. I remember exactly what happened there and yes I am prepared to take a lead pipe to your premise. Then I will get to your intention after. You did chose this Kit.
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When was I bitching about him? I don't ever recall.
Really Kit? I think you are lying.
Let me help refresh that selective memory of yours then
Les left? :Sad face:
I have called Grantelli out on his bigotry stuff too by pointing out to him not all aspies are this way or that way and he knows that. If he isn't going to post here again, his problem. Just click on their profile and click "add foe" and you will never see their posts and problem solved.
No, just change the way you talk and learn to keep your mouth shut about things or learn to word things different so you don't come off as bigoted or whatever. Just stop being black and white about aspies or is that too hard? You act like we're all the same.
A good argument here. Will granatelli back out again like he always does?
I find it annoying when people back out of arguments. I like some good drama.
So how about you firstly own your position in this and secondly don't try to insinuate it was me against Granatelli
But let's continue because I have just scratched the surface.
You want drama and you want me to account for myself you better be prepare to do the same, because you are peddling bullshit and you know it.
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Granatelli left because sir les brought the issue back and then others stepped in saying how they were bothered by his comments, I stepped in too and then he decided to leave. I felt sorry for him and didn't know what to say when he said nobody likes him and he is unwanted there. All I could say is sorry he feels that way.
Sure Kit we see the level of "how sorry you are already".
Let's drop the righteous pretense.
The comments that were made about this guys behaviour from me AND OTHERS was more than fair and needed addressing
If anyone wants to see the links, I'll be glad to post them here where the drama occurred. Then others can judge for themselves.
We WILL get to that Kit don't worry. I have done my research too. People need the background to your attempt at smear first though..don't you think?
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I think I may have started something. Oh shit. Why must I be good at these things when it's not my intention?
But thank goodness this is I2.
You aren't good at these things Kit. You will find this out in this thread.
Yes thank goodness this is I2.
I2 where:
We won't cater for your shitstirring without calling you on it
Where you need to make account of yourself
Where no-one will call me out for being unduly mean to you
Where you will been exposed to the full for your every word.
Where Admin don't stop and intercede.
Where even the spectators that don't approved will respect the place enough not to intervene.
You are on your own here. Back yourself Kit.
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He's right Kit. Get in here.
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But hey rather than go the route of talking in abstract terms let's get to the crux of why I AND OTHERS had issue with Granatelli. It was for bullshit ableist shit he continually spouted in a ASD relationship support forum.
Have a look at this to get up to speed people.
....Aspies on the board ought not see it as Ableism.
Stereotypes and generalizations exist because there is always some truth in them.
No this is not right and you are smart enough to know this is not right.
Stereotypes such as The stupidity of Irish (probably from illiterate Irish immigrants and xenophobic bigots) , The degeneracy of black people (Racists throughout history fearing the other because their skin is different), the gullibility and naivety of blondes (Sexist probably knew three or our blondes that he thought was stupid and away he went) and so on. I am sure in all of these instances of stereotypes and generalisations you may find people who fit one of these stereotypes in some great or small way. The above as broad statements are NOT TRUE and rather insulting to be honest.
Don't try to fool us that stereotypes are OK if you can find instances to back them. They are not and furthermore taken to believing the stereotypes is actually something a little worse. There s a couple of terms reserved for people who are happy looking at the classification of person before the person themselves and to used a broad concept of a classification to associate with all people of the classification.
Don't be that guy Grantanelli.
AS is a disability. An official dx exists.
No one is doubting that. The reason for us being here (I bloody hope) is that why recognise and respect what it isn't and are trying to learn from each other, given understanding for the different neurologies, how to understand appreciate the differences between each other and understand each other from a different perspective.
Lack of empathy is right at the top of the list. Being unable to see another persons point of view or perespective. I didn't make it up, it's in the official dx. So is rigidity.
Nice Grantanelli.
So that is what Empathy is? Sort of close (and it is the small things that make a difference when you have some concepts as abstract and broad as this). Empathy is the sharing of emotion and feelings. It IN NO WAY has to do with being able to see a person's point of view or perspective.
Yes the mention of lack pf empathy is in the official dx and your definition and understanding of what that actually means is not.
I have seen this more than a couple of times though. You making a point about something calling it irrefutable fact and beyond debate. "Argue all you want you can't change the facts"?
What is your understanding of what any one person with Asperger's can with rigidity? How pervasive is it? How disabling/interfering in the functioning of their lives? To what areas of their live and thinking?
Now I want you to tell us in which way rigidity affects each of the Aspies on the forum. Stuck? Bit unfair to ask? Bit unfair to throw this into the debate without term of any reference to try to make a point? I think we can live without having to address rigidity for whatever it may mean to you.
That's why I walked away from this disagreement. Because no matter what anyone says about being open minded or being willing to change their mind if sufficient proof is provided I've got more important things to worry about right now than to have a 20 page argument w/someone who probably won't ever be able to see my point of view anyway & is very rigid or set in what they believe to be true. Again, that's not me, that's in the official dx.
OK Grantanelli knowing my mind like you do and knowing me as a person tell me again how you know what I may or may not believe and why.
I "probably won't ever be able to see my point of view anyway & is very rigid or set in what they believe to be true"? OK explain this because at least two other members on this forum have seen that I am exceptional good at apologising and seeking to right wrongs IF I believe I am wrong and further step away from a strongly contested position, and I believe some may have seen this here.
So how does this reality fit with that which you have composed with me and your presupposition about what aspects of Asperger's Syndrome affect me and to what extent? Tell me again your understanding and where you got it about my views and my ability to appreciate rationality, fairness and reason. Feelings? No contest I battle with this. An emotional argument doesn't make sense and needs explaining to see it or its worth. But that is not what you said you said "I've got more important things to worry about right now than to have a 20 page argument w/someone who probably won't ever be able to see my point of view anyway & is very rigid or set in what they believe to be true" That is quite an assumption and again based on a stereotype or generalisation and broadly smeared over what your understanding of how I may or may not conduct myself.
Again there is a name for this kind of generalised talk of a people, and application of a generalisation applied broadly to one to make the point for a each person of that classification explicitly.
Don't be that guy.
Again that's not you that's in the diagnosis? Immediately before this you typed "have a 20 page argument w/someone who probably won't ever be able to see my point of view anyway & is very rigid or set in what they believe to be true" I am not in the diagnosis. These assertions were made specifically about me and about how I will view something and about flaws in my ability to reason. Don't say that I am in the diagnosis. I am not.
Each person on the spectrum has cluster of traits on the Autism Spectrum. Now overlay over this is which clusters, what degree of each trait, its expression of this, the life experiences of the individual, the therapy, medication, intelligence, self-management, environment....yet you make hard and fast assumptions given a phrase in the diagnosis and what it means to you?
Why are you doing this Grantanelli?
The reason is simple. This is a support forum. It is for people of both neurotypes. The position is not that Aspies are worse or weaker or wrong. It does acknowledge difference and it does acknowledge disability in the same way that vision impairment and/or blindness is a difference and a disability but does not inherently mean a blind person is wrong.
I see the above as a very damning view on Aspies and what you see us as individually and collectively and is in no way acknowledging us positively. I see many of your posts as doing the same but subtly and to a lesser extent.
Why?
Wow. What a sweetheart of a guy.
Now here is the crux of your position. Was I unnecessarily attacking him and was i chasing him off? Well from this post...not really. Certainly I was calling him on Ableist things but let's see what others were saying.
(Yes your views of his actions are well noted in how YOU talked to him there telling the guy you felt sorry for to "shut his mouth")
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Hmmm...if Granatelli's decided to bugger off, so be it. He seemed to have issues about AS that no other poster had and I myself butted heads with him enough times to not really miss him.
Case closed.
Chris,
I don't agree with Grafton on everything here, but I, for one, was very bothered also by some of granatelli's posts. I just winced and went on, but the feeling was there. And I think I'm NT :-)
And I don't feel that NT problems are not given equal weight.
For whatever it is worth.
JM
Sir_Les,
After going over some of these posts in this and the other thread, I find myself agreeing with you: digs are digs. And subtle digs are the hardest to deal with. And subtle digs that imply that because someone is ..., their opinion is naturally biased (and WRONG), negates the purpose of this board.
I actually had to go look up ableism. There is no excuse for it.
And I see why you keep pursuing it - it keeps sliding away, without being resolved.
You don't need my support. I'm just coming down on the same side of the fence because I agree with this belief.
Alicia
Sir Les - you have made your case with clarity and dignity. I am pleased you chose to do so in a separate thread and even if granatelli chooses not to/doesn't have time/simply doesn't reply then you have made us all think about the way we act ourselves and hopefully we'll all be more aware of the things we say and the way we say them. That can only ever be a good thing.
I admire you for being able to stand up and be counted and I agree that it should be in public as behind the scenes can lead to too many 'he said, no HE said' kind of dialogues. This way we can all see and comment on what is said. Nothing you have said is unpleasant, simply true. The truth is often uncomfortable but it doesn't make it less true.
A good argument here. Will granatelli back out again like he always does?
I find it annoying when people back out of arguments. I like some good drama.
What did the owner of the site Grafton think about all this? Kit.....
Chris, it was already contained on the other thread.
Les didn't need guidance sorting these issues. He was simply correct. Granatelli made a lot of ableist offensive statements. I was more patient about them than Les was, but being that patient with them was not required. It is hardly the first time it had been brought up. Granatelli had ignored more gentle attempts and I fully support Les in saying that enough's enough. Unfortunately, I am busy and Les did not communicate to me that he was frustrated and upset when so many other members responded by challenging his methods instead of recognizing the validity of his point and valuing that above his 'tone.' I thought he was handling that well or I would have yelled at the readership and locked the thread. Instead he found his last straw and has left.
And I am disgusted with the whole affair and wonder what the hell I am doing hosting a forum where Les' list of 'all of the above' has happened to him.
The elephant that needs to be eaten is the way this group abruptly managed to turn into something that seems to value NT communication styles so much that granatelli's semi-subtle bigotry was accepted and even defended, while devaluing AS communication styles so much that Les' honest response to being subjected to bigotry got him lambasted.
Fuck me!!!
Kit why are these people say these kind of things. He was so hard done by and it was just me right? I mean no one took the view that he was poisonous right?
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Picking on a pregnant woman? A new low even for your Les.
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Picking on a pregnant woman? A new low even for your Les.
Its not like all this drama is NEW, Phlex. She has a history.
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Picking on a pregnant woman? A new low even for your Les.
http://www.intensitysquared.com/index.php/topic,9579.495.html
Get up to speed Phlexor.
Explain "even for you" and then explain "picking on".
As for her pregnancy. I chose not her pregnancy nor her words. Nor did I choose her to use them here.
So have a read. Have a think and try again mate. I am sure you have good cause to say what you did and I would like to hear it.
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Picking on a pregnant woman? A new low even for your Les.
http://www.intensitysquared.com/index.php/topic,9579.495.html
Get up to speed Phlexor.
Explain "even for you" and then explain "picking on".
As for her pregnancy. I chose not her pregnancy nor her words. Nor did I choose her to use them here.
So have a read. Have a think and try again mate. I am sure you have good cause to say what you did and I would like to hear it.
Yeah, but what kind of cunt has a go at a pregnant woman, you know that it isn't all fun and games being pregnant, unless the reason you aren't married anymore is because you were an oblivious cunt to your ex wife.
I think it says more about your character than hers right now. You made a choice and have to live with the fact of that's how you look towards me now.
I don't imagine you give a shit but I felt I had to say something.
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Picking on a pregnant woman? A new low even for your Les.
http://www.intensitysquared.com/index.php/topic,9579.495.html
Get up to speed Phlexor.
Explain "even for you" and then explain "picking on".
As for her pregnancy. I chose not her pregnancy nor her words. Nor did I choose her to use them here.
So have a read. Have a think and try again mate. I am sure you have good cause to say what you did and I would like to hear it.
Yeah, but what kind of cunt has a go at a pregnant woman, you know that it isn't all fun and games being pregnant, unless the reason you aren't married anymore is because you were an oblivious cunt to your ex wife.
I think it says more about your character than hers right now. You made a choice and have to live with the fact of that's how you look towards me now.
I don't imagine you give a shit but I felt I had to say something.
Pregnant or not that is not an issue nor the argument. It has nothing to do with the call out at hand unless it is seen as a contributing factor to her remarks or her ability to defend them. Using it as a blanket excuse reason not to call her out is a poor excuse. i have seen pregnant women do all kinds of things far more stressful than post on an internet forum. She can stand up for herself. That said I have no real idea what the call out is about just that pregnancy is not a reason not to call her on her own words
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When was I bitching about him? I don't ever recall.
Really Kit? I think you are lying.
Let me help refresh that selective memory of yours then
Les left? :Sad face:
I have called Grantelli out on his bigotry stuff too by pointing out to him not all aspies are this way or that way and he knows that. If he isn't going to post here again, his problem. Just click on their profile and click "add foe" and you will never see their posts and problem solved.
No, just change the way you talk and learn to keep your mouth shut about things or learn to word things different so you don't come off as bigoted or whatever. Just stop being black and white about aspies or is that too hard? You act like we're all the same.
A good argument here. Will granatelli back out again like he always does?
I find it annoying when people back out of arguments. I like some good drama.
So how about you firstly own your position in this and secondly don't try to insinuate it was me against Granatelli
But let's continue because I have just scratched the surface.
You want drama and you want me to account for myself you better be prepare to do the same, because you are peddling bullshit and you know it.
I was not lying. I didn't know what your partner was talking about so I asked. She didn't answer and she said true so I assumed what I guessed was correct. People need to be more specific. She did say cross forum so I thought she meant here. That didn't make me a liar. I just misunderstood.
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Look, you dicks can do whatever the hell you want, and I'm sure you will. I really don't give a fuck.
But you have to imagine that Kit right now is under a lot of stress. Considering she had a miscarriage before this pregnancy you can imagine that she is a little concerned about that happening again. Now I think she probably deserves a little slack at the moment.
Now like I said, call her out and what not, but don't act surprised when I think it's a cunt act.
All fake internet friendships/acquaintances aside, You act is becoming increasingly boring lately Les, give it a rest, you aren't the internet police.
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So if a pregnant woman killed half the city, it would be okay because she's pregnant? An extreme example, but only done to exaggerate the fault of your logic.
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^This.
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Granatelli left because sir les brought the issue back and then others stepped in saying how they were bothered by his comments, I stepped in too and then he decided to leave. I felt sorry for him and didn't know what to say when he said nobody likes him and he is unwanted there. All I could say is sorry he feels that way.
Sure Kit we see the level of "how sorry you are already".
Let's drop the righteous pretense.
The comments that were made about this guys behaviour from me AND OTHERS was more than fair and needed addressing
If anyone wants to see the links, I'll be glad to post them here where the drama occurred. Then others can judge for themselves.
We WILL get to that Kit don't worry. I have done my research too. People need the background to your attempt at smear first though..don't you think?
Yeah I felt sorry for him on the other board because he felt everyone didn't like him and he was unwanted. Is that a bad thing? I can still feel sorry for people you know. I think you are taking this whole thing too personally. I meant nothing bad by it when you said you scared off another NT. Then you asked which NT and if it was a good thing or a bad thing so I thought you were confused about what I said so I asked if you remembered him so you know what I was talking about. TBH I wasn't sure if you were joking with your question or serious. It can be hard to tell on I2 because of the way it was worded.
What Hykes said I told her I be glad to post the links to the drama if anyone is curious and wants to know the whole story. Then they can decide if you scared him off or if he simply decided to leave and you didn't cause it. Get it? Don't you like people knowing all the facts too before making any assumptions or judgments? Why are you upset by it?
Heck I scared maggiedoll off of WP. Know how I did it? It had to do with what happened between sinsboldly and I and she took her side and didn't like me spreading the word about her being banned and being happy I caused her banning. She stayed for a little longer and then left the forum. Now she just lurks every now and then but she doesn't post. Yes it was her decision to leave and not post there anymore but I was the cause of her to make that choice.
People here scared off sinsboldly when she joined because she didn't like being questioned about something. I don't remember what, callaway remembers though since she does research for the answer and I can't be arsed to do it. Sure it was her choice to leave here and ask her account to be deleted but people here were the cause of her making that choice right?
So I always say someone scared another person off.
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I think I may have started something. Oh shit. Why must I be good at these things when it's not my intention?
But thank goodness this is I2.
You aren't good at these things Kit. You will find this out in this thread.
Yes thank goodness this is I2.
I2 where:
We won't cater for your shitstirring without calling you on it
Where you need to make account of yourself
Where no-one will call me out for being unduly mean to you
Where you will been exposed to the full for your every word.
Where Admin don't stop and intercede.
Where even the spectators that don't approved will respect the place enough not to intervene.
You are on your own here. Back yourself Kit.
That was the response to Sopho's drama llama picture and I wasn't expecting any drama, I didn't even know you were going to get bent so out of shape. If I knew would I still have mentioned you scared off another NT? I dunno.
So I made that post and because this is I2, I don't even bother going back to delete my previous posts that would start something. This seems to be the second time here I have done it. First I say who bearheart is after I find out and boom, a drama breaks out. Okay that became enjoyable even though it was not my intention. Then now this.
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So if a pregnant woman killed half the city, it would be okay because she's pregnant? An extreme example, but only done to exaggerate the fault of your logic.
If shleed was a twat, could anyone tell the difference?
Did Kit kill half the city? Not that I'm aware of. Extreme examples don't prove anything.
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But hey rather than go the route of talking in abstract terms let's get to the crux of why I AND OTHERS had issue with Granatelli. It was for bullshit ableist shit he continually spouted in a ASD relationship support forum.
Have a look at this to get up to speed people.
....Aspies on the board ought not see it as Ableism.
Stereotypes and generalizations exist because there is always some truth in them.
No this is not right and you are smart enough to know this is not right.
Stereotypes such as The stupidity of Irish (probably from illiterate Irish immigrants and xenophobic bigots) , The degeneracy of black people (Racists throughout history fearing the other because their skin is different), the gullibility and naivety of blondes (Sexist probably knew three or our blondes that he thought was stupid and away he went) and so on. I am sure in all of these instances of stereotypes and generalisations you may find people who fit one of these stereotypes in some great or small way. The above as broad statements are NOT TRUE and rather insulting to be honest.
Don't try to fool us that stereotypes are OK if you can find instances to back them. They are not and furthermore taken to believing the stereotypes is actually something a little worse. There s a couple of terms reserved for people who are happy looking at the classification of person before the person themselves and to used a broad concept of a classification to associate with all people of the classification.
Don't be that guy Grantanelli.
AS is a disability. An official dx exists.
No one is doubting that. The reason for us being here (I bloody hope) is that why recognise and respect what it isn't and are trying to learn from each other, given understanding for the different neurologies, how to understand appreciate the differences between each other and understand each other from a different perspective.
Lack of empathy is right at the top of the list. Being unable to see another persons point of view or perespective. I didn't make it up, it's in the official dx. So is rigidity.
Nice Grantanelli.
So that is what Empathy is? Sort of close (and it is the small things that make a difference when you have some concepts as abstract and broad as this). Empathy is the sharing of emotion and feelings. It IN NO WAY has to do with being able to see a person's point of view or perspective.
Yes the mention of lack pf empathy is in the official dx and your definition and understanding of what that actually means is not.
I have seen this more than a couple of times though. You making a point about something calling it irrefutable fact and beyond debate. "Argue all you want you can't change the facts"?
What is your understanding of what any one person with Asperger's can with rigidity? How pervasive is it? How disabling/interfering in the functioning of their lives? To what areas of their live and thinking?
Now I want you to tell us in which way rigidity affects each of the Aspies on the forum. Stuck? Bit unfair to ask? Bit unfair to throw this into the debate without term of any reference to try to make a point? I think we can live without having to address rigidity for whatever it may mean to you.
That's why I walked away from this disagreement. Because no matter what anyone says about being open minded or being willing to change their mind if sufficient proof is provided I've got more important things to worry about right now than to have a 20 page argument w/someone who probably won't ever be able to see my point of view anyway & is very rigid or set in what they believe to be true. Again, that's not me, that's in the official dx.
OK Grantanelli knowing my mind like you do and knowing me as a person tell me again how you know what I may or may not believe and why.
I "probably won't ever be able to see my point of view anyway & is very rigid or set in what they believe to be true"? OK explain this because at least two other members on this forum have seen that I am exceptional good at apologising and seeking to right wrongs IF I believe I am wrong and further step away from a strongly contested position, and I believe some may have seen this here.
So how does this reality fit with that which you have composed with me and your presupposition about what aspects of Asperger's Syndrome affect me and to what extent? Tell me again your understanding and where you got it about my views and my ability to appreciate rationality, fairness and reason. Feelings? No contest I battle with this. An emotional argument doesn't make sense and needs explaining to see it or its worth. But that is not what you said you said "I've got more important things to worry about right now than to have a 20 page argument w/someone who probably won't ever be able to see my point of view anyway & is very rigid or set in what they believe to be true" That is quite an assumption and again based on a stereotype or generalisation and broadly smeared over what your understanding of how I may or may not conduct myself.
Again there is a name for this kind of generalised talk of a people, and application of a generalisation applied broadly to one to make the point for a each person of that classification explicitly.
Don't be that guy.
Again that's not you that's in the diagnosis? Immediately before this you typed "have a 20 page argument w/someone who probably won't ever be able to see my point of view anyway & is very rigid or set in what they believe to be true" I am not in the diagnosis. These assertions were made specifically about me and about how I will view something and about flaws in my ability to reason. Don't say that I am in the diagnosis. I am not.
Each person on the spectrum has cluster of traits on the Autism Spectrum. Now overlay over this is which clusters, what degree of each trait, its expression of this, the life experiences of the individual, the therapy, medication, intelligence, self-management, environment....yet you make hard and fast assumptions given a phrase in the diagnosis and what it means to you?
Why are you doing this Grantanelli?
The reason is simple. This is a support forum. It is for people of both neurotypes. The position is not that Aspies are worse or weaker or wrong. It does acknowledge difference and it does acknowledge disability in the same way that vision impairment and/or blindness is a difference and a disability but does not inherently mean a blind person is wrong.
I see the above as a very damning view on Aspies and what you see us as individually and collectively and is in no way acknowledging us positively. I see many of your posts as doing the same but subtly and to a lesser extent.
Why?
Wow. What a sweetheart of a guy.
Now here is the crux of your position. Was I unnecessarily attacking him and was i chasing him off? Well from this post...not really. Certainly I was calling him on Ableist things but let's see what others were saying.
(Yes your views of his actions are well noted in how YOU talked to him there telling the guy you felt sorry for to "shut his mouth")
I told him to stop talking that way about AS. That was my friendly advice to him. Did he take it? No. I was disappointed in how he took it all to extreme because I thought he was stronger than that. But now my thoughts have changed about that part because maybe he doesn't know what he is saying will offend so he felt better off leaving. Do I miss him? Not really.
What I saw there what you were doing was just asking him why he does these things is all and calling him out on it and not letting him walk away from it. I didn't think you were doing it to scare him off. You can unintentionally scare people off like I did with maggiedoll, and kassianne.
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Hmmm...if Granatelli's decided to bugger off, so be it. He seemed to have issues about AS that no other poster had and I myself butted heads with him enough times to not really miss him.
Case closed.
Chris,
I don't agree with Grafton on everything here, but I, for one, was very bothered also by some of granatelli's posts. I just winced and went on, but the feeling was there. And I think I'm NT :-)
And I don't feel that NT problems are not given equal weight.
For whatever it is worth.
JM
Sir_Les,
After going over some of these posts in this and the other thread, I find myself agreeing with you: digs are digs. And subtle digs are the hardest to deal with. And subtle digs that imply that because someone is ..., their opinion is naturally biased (and WRONG), negates the purpose of this board.
I actually had to go look up ableism. There is no excuse for it.
And I see why you keep pursuing it - it keeps sliding away, without being resolved.
You don't need my support. I'm just coming down on the same side of the fence because I agree with this belief.
Alicia
Sir Les - you have made your case with clarity and dignity. I am pleased you chose to do so in a separate thread and even if granatelli chooses not to/doesn't have time/simply doesn't reply then you have made us all think about the way we act ourselves and hopefully we'll all be more aware of the things we say and the way we say them. That can only ever be a good thing.
I admire you for being able to stand up and be counted and I agree that it should be in public as behind the scenes can lead to too many 'he said, no HE said' kind of dialogues. This way we can all see and comment on what is said. Nothing you have said is unpleasant, simply true. The truth is often uncomfortable but it doesn't make it less true.
A good argument here. Will granatelli back out again like he always does?
I find it annoying when people back out of arguments. I like some good drama.
What did the owner of the site Grafton think about all this? Kit.....
Chris, it was already contained on the other thread.
Les didn't need guidance sorting these issues. He was simply correct. Granatelli made a lot of ableist offensive statements. I was more patient about them than Les was, but being that patient with them was not required. It is hardly the first time it had been brought up. Granatelli had ignored more gentle attempts and I fully support Les in saying that enough's enough. Unfortunately, I am busy and Les did not communicate to me that he was frustrated and upset when so many other members responded by challenging his methods instead of recognizing the validity of his point and valuing that above his 'tone.' I thought he was handling that well or I would have yelled at the readership and locked the thread. Instead he found his last straw and has left.
And I am disgusted with the whole affair and wonder what the hell I am doing hosting a forum where Les' list of 'all of the above' has happened to him.
The elephant that needs to be eaten is the way this group abruptly managed to turn into something that seems to value NT communication styles so much that granatelli's semi-subtle bigotry was accepted and even defended, while devaluing AS communication styles so much that Les' honest response to being subjected to bigotry got him lambasted.
Fuck me!!!
Kit why are these people say these kind of things. He was so hard done by and it was just me right? I mean no one took the view that he was poisonous right?
What do you think? They didn't like what he said either. I just rather laughed at his comments than getting all insulted. I recall one of the NT members there saying I was also offended with what I said there but I didn't argue about it because I don't remember saying I was offended by it. I remember saying there I found it funny what he say about AS. But they finally said something about it when you made it an issue and we all stepped in. But you were the one who called it out first and kept shoving it and then he left the forum due to his wife's situation and then he came back and then you brought the issue back which I thought was funny. I was wondering when you were going to do that. Then others decided to step in and say they feel the same way about him too.
Heck I am sure lot of aspies felt that way about him on WP and I sometimes wonder if he had the mods on his back about it. I saw a member mentioning him in her post and it was obvious she was talking about him just by what she was saying about that user. But she wouldn't tell me in PM who she was talking about but I figure who anyway. But he stopped posting on WP too all together after what happened on the other board.
Maybe we can all call you a hero eh? Like I called myself a hero about sins being demodded.
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Picking on a pregnant woman? A new low even for your Les.
Maybe he didn't even know?
Oh well, just as long as I am here, I shouldn't expect special treatment and if I can't take the heat here or the stress, I can just simply leave until I am better.
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What forum was this on?
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Not intensity, so it sucks.
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Look, you dicks can do whatever the hell you want, and I'm sure you will. I really don't give a fuck.
But you have to imagine that Kit right now is under a lot of stress. Considering she had a miscarriage before this pregnancy you can imagine that she is a little concerned about that happening again. Now I think she probably deserves a little slack at the moment.
Now like I said, call her out and what not, but don't act surprised when I think it's a cunt act.
All fake internet friendships/acquaintances aside, You act is becoming increasingly boring lately Les, give it a rest, you aren't the internet police.
No I am not under lot of stress. I was back in May when I first found out and my husband and I were fighting more often after that because of my crazy emotions and mood swings. Even more things were annoying me that didn't usually annoy me and I think I am feeling better now and less sensitive. But I was never like those other pregnant women I read at Babycenter. They seem too sensitive. But sometimes I worry about a stillborn and am hoping I have this baby and not a stillborn.
Lately I my mind has been dumb because I don't always feel the mental energy to stick for myself because I am always lost with words but this time I did have the words. Maybe it's me losing my brain like I have read about pregnancy. Some of us lose our minds meaning we get dumber.
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What forum was this on?
ASD relationships.
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karmas a bitch sir les. maybe this is why you have so many health problems? i recently saw karma in action. my moms house got completely flooded in a monsoon after a wildfire and she had to move. she's married to a child abuser/molester and all most all of her shit was completely ruined, with that said,
i hope you fucking die of a heart attack.
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Wat? :LOL:
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there was a wildfire on the beautiful mountains here, and we get summer thunderstorm seasons. well the backside of this mountain was burned up so when it rained it basically turned into a parkinglot and flooded an area called doney park. it destroyed a bunch of homes including my mothers, heres the facebook page
http://www.facebook.com/flagfloodwatch
and this happend because shes married to an awful man. it finally came back on her, and im happy it did
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Ok.
ANYWAY, some of us are just sick of shit websites like WP bleeding into our lovely intensity.
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But this is about ASD Relationships this time. :2thumbsup:
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But this is about ASD Relationships this time. :2thumbsup:
Point being, if its not THIS website, its in the wrong place.
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Here is something I said:
http://asdrelationships.freeforums.org/post10214.html#p10214
Question:
Would things be any different if granatelli said in the first place "many aspies" or "lot of aspies" or "most aspies" than "aspies?" I mean talking that way would rule out aspies who aren't that way based on what he is saying, so if he went on about how black and white we are and saying how we refuse to see other point of views, etc saying "Most aspies" or "some aspies" " or many aspies" some people would have been less bothered by his posts knowing he isn't saying all aspies are that way?
Yep just asked if anything be different there if he talked that way instead. Apparently he never took that advice if he ever read it.
http://asdrelationships.freeforums.org/post10214.html#p10214
I said:
"I just laughed and moved on"
Better than getting all offended and bent out of shape what I read online so it's better to find it funny.
Here it is where sir les said I told him to shut it:
http://asdrelationships.freeforums.org/post10036.html#p10036
No, just change the way you talk and learn to keep your mouth shut about things or learn to word things different so you don't come off as bigoted or whatever. Just stop being black and white about aspies or is that too hard? You act like we're all the same.
He didn't take that advice either.
Note: I love to post links to verify my posts are true what I said.
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:plus: for kit for standing her ground
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Ok.
ANYWAY, some of us are just sick of shit websites like WP bleeding into our lovely intensity.
i get it. but i love dramas, much like spokane. we've defintly had our dramas and are over it now but i think unless your stalin, or hitler you dont really deserve to be treated this fucking bad online. especially if your an expecting mother, thats seriously leaves a bad taste in your mouth right there. its not like she killed one of his kids, or firebombed his car. she said he made someone leave, hardly worth getting all fussy over so if anything hes part of the problem to because hes contributing to the drama
im shure spokane will take this better than he has. and by the looks of it she has :plus: for her
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Man fuck this.
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Picking on a pregnant woman? A new low even for your Les.
Wow Phlex.
My hair is standing straight up in my neck.
You awake every feminist fibre in my body.
Pregnancy is not an illness or a weakness. And as long as there are no complications, women can do everything they want, apart from a few things.
If a pregnant woman can't do a call-out, she can't be a judge, she can't be a lawyer, she can't be a surgeon, she can't drive a car.
Apart from apparent things, like eating raw meat, eating raw cheeses, changing cat litter without gloves, work with toxic things, women can do what they can do when they are pregnant just like they can when they are not. Don't try to take that away from women Phlex.
I don't want to get back to the times when (only the richer btb) women were treated like expensive china when with child. Please, give the female sex some credit.
And for what it's worth, hormones can make pregnant women, and new mothers very fierce fighters.
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I was not lying. I didn't know what your partner was talking about so I asked. She didn't answer and she said true so I assumed what I guessed was correct. People need to be more specific. She did say cross forum so I thought she meant here. That didn't make me a liar. I just misunderstood.
I meant that bitch you made in the things that piss you off thread indeed, as you assumed. So, I said that was true. (Just to clear things up)
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I was not lying. I didn't know what your partner was talking about so I asked. She didn't answer and she said true so I assumed what I guessed was correct. People need to be more specific. She did say cross forum so I thought she meant here. That didn't make me a liar. I just misunderstood.
I meant that bitch you made in the things that piss you off thread indeed, as you assumed. So, I said that was true. (Just to clear things up)
Okay so I was correct and I was just talking about this to my friends from here and I figured maybe I embarrassed your partner by saying he scared off someone so he got upset and made this into a drama.
I asked my friend if he be pissed of someone told him he scared off someone and he said he probably feel guilty. So I figured maybe this is why he got so bent out of shape over this.
Sir les, if this is what this was about, I apologize. I didn't say it to make you feel guilty or get all embarrassed so you felt you had to defend yourself thinking I wanted a drama.
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all these people on and no one wants to chat? :nerdy:
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all these people on and no one wants to chat? :nerdy:
I will chat! :orly:
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I was not lying. I didn't know what your partner was talking about so I asked. She didn't answer and she said true so I assumed what I guessed was correct. People need to be more specific. She did say cross forum so I thought she meant here. That didn't make me a liar. I just misunderstood.
I meant that bitch you made in the things that piss you off thread indeed, as you assumed. So, I said that was true. (Just to clear things up)
Okay so I was correct and I was just talking about this to my friends from here and I figured maybe I embarrassed your partner by saying he scared off someone so he got upset and made this into a drama.
I asked my friend if he be pissed of someone told him he scared off someone and he said he probably feel guilty. So I figured maybe this is why he got so bent out of shape over this.
Sir les, if this is what this was about, I apologize. I didn't say it to make you feel guilty or get all embarrassed so you felt you had to defend yourself thinking I wanted a drama.
I won't answer for Sir_Les. Not the way our relation works.
I asked you in the other thread, because Granatelli left after Sir_Les.
And after he was gone, the debate with Granatelli still went on.
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I was not lying. I didn't know what your partner was talking about so I asked. She didn't answer and she said true so I assumed what I guessed was correct. People need to be more specific. She did say cross forum so I thought she meant here. That didn't make me a liar. I just misunderstood.
I meant that bitch you made in the things that piss you off thread indeed, as you assumed. So, I said that was true. (Just to clear things up)
Okay so I was correct and I was just talking about this to my friends from here and I figured maybe I embarrassed your partner by saying he scared off someone so he got upset and made this into a drama.
I asked my friend if he be pissed of someone told him he scared off someone and he said he probably feel guilty. So I figured maybe this is why he got so bent out of shape over this.
Sir les, if this is what this was about, I apologize. I didn't say it to make you feel guilty or get all embarrassed so you felt you had to defend yourself thinking I wanted a drama.
I won't answer for Sir_Les. Not the way our relation works.
I asked you in the other thread, because Granatelli left after Sir_Les.
And after he was gone, the debate with Granatelli still went on.
Yeah, I remember. He spied there for a while. I think he was making sure we all moved on and weren't talking about it anymore. Then when he was sure we were done and have all moved on, he left for good, is my guess. Like he cares what people online think of him. I didn't know he was that sensitive.
Remember when someone make a post when his name get mentioned or him? It was just obvious he was lurking in the thread.
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Nope Kit.
This is what happened. Your mate Ricktard was carrying on like a dickhead about how I was a troublemaker and trying to denounce my action with TheZach and in you come with:
I should also add he scared an NT off another forum and off WP too. Go figure.
You then try to:
Paint it as me scaring him off alone.
You being fair and concerned and treating him nicely and feeling sorry for him
Him as a victim
Him leaving before and as a result of me
Then want to post the links to further solidify Your/Ricktard's assertions.
This is where I come in.
Try to tell a forum who was not there and doesn't know what happened, anything, and they are likely to believe it because they are unlikely to join to become members and read the background. All you need to do is to post a few select links to go wit a selective memory and voila!! You have just rewritten history as far as it needs to be rewritten here.
How far did it "need" re-writing? Only as much completely misrepresent what went on somewhere else and back Ricktard's point of view.
Why bring it up at all? No one else was there and no-one else really knew anything about the forum anyhow?
Drama. This was not about telling the truth nor about correct representation Kit.
The only reason you wanted it introduced was to get the drama happening and the gossip.
The reason you place the comment where and how you did was to back Ricktard. There was nothing incidental with what you said.
You said what you said for a specific reason and in answering things you suggest that random shit just hits the keyboard and is entered.
Why mention in this context, Granatelli and ASDRelationships forum? Why use it to back Ricktard? Why insinuate that I chased him off when it was clearly a collaborative effort? Why suggest my efforts bad and yours good and him mistreated? You know damn well this is not right and I have proved it here.
Drama?
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dude anyone can see your a trouble maker. why did you make the topic about wanting to be a mod on WP?
maybe alex would have made you one? i suspect you didnt make it to bring to light your uncanny wisdom about how alex doesnt know how to run a board properly. you made the topic to cause trouble :autism:
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there was a wildfire on the beautiful mountains here, and we get summer thunderstorm seasons. well the backside of this mountain was burned up so when it rained it basically turned into a parkinglot and flooded an area called doney park. it destroyed a bunch of homes including my mothers, heres the facebook page
http://www.facebook.com/flagfloodwatch
and this happend because shes married to an awful man. it finally came back on her, and im happy it did
What caused the wildfires and floods that occurred in Arizona prior to your mother getting married to Simon Legree?
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Picking on a pregnant woman? A new low even for your Les.
http://www.intensitysquared.com/index.php/topic,9579.495.html
Get up to speed Phlexor.
Explain "even for you" and then explain "picking on".
As for her pregnancy. I chose not her pregnancy nor her words. Nor did I choose her to use them here.
So have a read. Have a think and try again mate. I am sure you have good cause to say what you did and I would like to hear it.
Yeah, but what kind of cunt has a go at a pregnant woman, you know that it isn't all fun and games being pregnant, unless the reason you aren't married anymore is because you were an oblivious cunt to your ex wife.
I think it says more about your character than hers right now. You made a choice and have to live with the fact of that's how you look towards me now.
I don't imagine you give a shit but I felt I had to say something.
Look, you dicks can do whatever the hell you want, and I'm sure you will. I really don't give a fuck.
But you have to imagine that Kit right now is under a lot of stress. Considering she had a miscarriage before this pregnancy you can imagine that she is a little concerned about that happening again. Now I think she probably deserves a little slack at the moment.
Now like I said, call her out and what not, but don't act surprised when I think it's a cunt act.
All fake internet friendships/acquaintances aside, You act is becoming increasingly boring lately Les, give it a rest, you aren't the internet police.
Phlexor just because your stomach is around the size of a pregnant woman's doesn't mean that you can empathise or relate to a woman's pregnancy. Hate to break it to you but you are not lactating any time soon.
You are right it is just a speed hump in this conversation.
Now let's talk about pregnant women and what they are huh?
Delicate you say? Irrational, non-thinking, brainless, easily stressed and unable to hold their own? That about up to speed?
Is that what your thoughts are on your own wife Tiger Lily? I really fucking hope not. That would be a real cunt act to treat someone like that huh?
Now was I picking on Kit? Not at all Kit misrepresented some shit about me, (So yeah there goes your internet police bullshit right there) and I countered it. Did I go out and find some shit or did it knock on my door?
This place is obviously too stressful for you big fella. It is more than you can handle, and you take shit a lot more seriously than me, Kit or any members here.The only one who is being a cunt is Lord Phlexor. A whiny, fat, old, sexist cunt.
There mate. Just for old times sake, I gave you a bit of notice and answered you. Not that it matters but I felt considering how we have got on so well in the past I would give you a bit of my time.
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dude anyone can see your a trouble maker. why did you make the topic about wanting to be a mod on WP?
maybe alex would have made you one? i suspect you didnt make it to bring to light your uncanny wisdom about how alex doesnt know how to run a board properly. you made the topic to cause trouble :autism:
Define "trouble" I think the thread and all related threads bought up a lot of things to help the site.I think it went well.
I think I would have made a great mod.
But Ricktard this is not a thread about your mindless assertions this is about Kit's mindless assertions. They are slightly more valued to me. So shut the fuck up you wanked silly retard.
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i dont have to define anything when its quite clear as fucking day motherfucker. went real well? helped some members? are you serious. others made copycat threads everyone knew what a joke your bid for moderator was
i'll shut the fuck up when you arent 4 foor 7, ugly and and think your the best thing since sliced bread
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Picking on a pregnant woman? A new low even for your Les.
I don't see any validity to this post.
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i dont have to define anything when its quite clear as fucking day motherfucker. went real well? helped some members? are you serious. others made copycat threads everyone knew what a joke your bid for moderator was
i'll shut the fuck up when you arent 4 foor 7, ugly and and think your the best thing since sliced bread
Getting kind of tense and what you are saying makes little sense.
"4 foor 7." - what's this Tard Code for?
But for the record I am awesome and your efforts to put shit on me just isn't working. Start a callout if you like, or go have another wank.
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i dont have to define anything when its quite clear as fucking day motherfucker. went real well? helped some members? are you serious. others made copycat threads everyone knew what a joke your bid for moderator was
i'll shut the fuck up when you arent 4 foor 7, ugly and and think your the best thing since sliced bread
Getting kind of tense and what you are saying makes little sense.
"4 foor 7." - what's this Tard Code for?
But for the record I am awesome and your efforts to put shit on me just isn't working. Start a callout if you like, or go have another wank.
I don't think there's been a proper callout since I joined the site. I wanna see a callout :viking: :viking: :viking:
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Me thinks Sir Les will call out and richard will wimper. And no, the more I read of your threads in re-posts, the less impressed I am with you.
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I don't think there's been a proper callout since I joined the site. I wanna see a callout :viking: :viking: :viking:
You're in one right now, lol.
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i dont have to define anything when its quite clear as fucking day motherfucker. went real well? helped some members? are you serious. others made copycat threads everyone knew what a joke your bid for moderator was
i'll shut the fuck up when you arent 4 foor 7, ugly and and think your the best thing since sliced bread
Getting kind of tense and what you are saying makes little sense.
"4 foor 7." - what's this Tard Code for?
But for the record I am awesome and your efforts to put shit on me just isn't working. Start a callout if you like, or go have another wank.
I don't think there's been a proper callout since I joined the site. I wanna see a callout :viking: :viking: :viking:
Shitstirrer. :laugh:
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i dont have to define anything when its quite clear as fucking day motherfucker. went real well? helped some members? are you serious. others made copycat threads everyone knew what a joke your bid for moderator was
i'll shut the fuck up when you arent 4 foor 7, ugly and and think your the best thing since sliced bread
Getting kind of tense and what you are saying makes little sense.
"4 foor 7." - what's this Tard Code for?
But for the record I am awesome and your efforts to put shit on me just isn't working. Start a callout if you like, or go have another wank.
I don't think there's been a proper callout since I joined the site. I wanna see a callout :viking: :viking: :viking:
Shitstirrer. :laugh:
How dare you. I'm deeply hurt by that accusation. :angel: :angel: :angel:
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:-[ Sorry. It won't happen again. :crossed:
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:-[ Sorry. It won't happen again. :crossed:
:2thumbsup:
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:-[ Sorry. It won't happen again. :crossed:
:2thumbsup:
Okay! You two kissed and made up. Now if we can only get some more members to do that we'll be... Well, boring?
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:-[ Sorry. It won't happen again. :crossed:
:2thumbsup:
Okay! You two kissed and made up. Now if we can only get some more members to do that we'll be... Well, boring?
IntensitySquared...Feel the love! :grouphug:
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:-[ Sorry. It won't happen again. :crossed:
:2thumbsup:
Okay! You two kissed and made up. Now if we can only get some more members to do that we'll be... Well, boring?
Good point, but I doubt anyone is willing to kiss Richard until he changes out of those cum stained skivvies. :duh: Ooops, this post isn't helping to make peace. Good thing Richard ignores my posts. :zoinks:
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IntensitySquared...Feel the love! :grouphug:
I keep telling you to stop touching me.
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IntensitySquared...Feel the love! :grouphug:
I keep telling you to stop touching me.
That wasn't me. :zoinks:
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Oh noes.
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Richard! Leave Osenstive1 alone.
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Picking on a pregnant woman? A new low even for your Les.
Wow Phlex.
My hair is standing straight up in my neck.
You awake every feminist fibre in my body.
Pregnancy is not an illness or a weakness. And as long as there are no complications, women can do everything they want, apart from a few things.
If a pregnant woman can't do a call-out, she can't be a judge, she can't be a lawyer, she can't be a surgeon, she can't drive a car.
Apart from apparent things, like eating raw meat, eating raw cheeses, changing cat litter without gloves, work with toxic things, women can do what they can do when they are pregnant just like they can when they are not. Don't try to take that away from women Phlex.
I don't want to get back to the times when (only the richer btb) women were treated like expensive china when with child. Please, give the female sex some credit.
And for what it's worth, hormones can make pregnant women, and new mothers very fierce fighters.
Talk about going overboard or over reacting, oh yeah you just did.
For starters, men and women are different, pure fact. Plus I'm more focused on Sir Les in my argument than Kit. As in what It says about his character than hers. I think it's just common sense and general niceness to give a break to a pregnant woman who has had a miscarriage previously. If what she does bothers him that much, and it's Kit we are talking about, then perhaps he should get the fuck off the internet.
And don't you think I know what pregnant women are capable of? I do have a wife that has been pregnant 6 times. Plus this isn't about what they can do physically wise.
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Picking on a pregnant woman? A new low even for your Les.
http://www.intensitysquared.com/index.php/topic,9579.495.html
Get up to speed Phlexor.
Explain "even for you" and then explain "picking on".
As for her pregnancy. I chose not her pregnancy nor her words. Nor did I choose her to use them here.
So have a read. Have a think and try again mate. I am sure you have good cause to say what you did and I would like to hear it.
Yeah, but what kind of cunt has a go at a pregnant woman, you know that it isn't all fun and games being pregnant, unless the reason you aren't married anymore is because you were an oblivious cunt to your ex wife.
I think it says more about your character than hers right now. You made a choice and have to live with the fact of that's how you look towards me now.
I don't imagine you give a shit but I felt I had to say something.
Look, you dicks can do whatever the hell you want, and I'm sure you will. I really don't give a fuck.
But you have to imagine that Kit right now is under a lot of stress. Considering she had a miscarriage before this pregnancy you can imagine that she is a little concerned about that happening again. Now I think she probably deserves a little slack at the moment.
Now like I said, call her out and what not, but don't act surprised when I think it's a cunt act.
All fake internet friendships/acquaintances aside, You act is becoming increasingly boring lately Les, give it a rest, you aren't the internet police.
Phlexor just because your stomach is around the size of a pregnant woman's doesn't mean that you can empathise or relate to a woman's pregnancy. Hate to break it to you but you are not lactating any time soon.
You are right it is just a speed hump in this conversation.
Now let's talk about pregnant women and what they are huh?
Delicate you say? Irrational, non-thinking, brainless, easily stressed and unable to hold their own? That about up to speed?
Is that what your thoughts are on your own wife Tiger Lily? I really fucking hope not. That would be a real cunt act to treat someone like that huh?
Now was I picking on Kit? Not at all Kit misrepresented some shit about me, (So yeah there goes your internet police bullshit right there) and I countered it. Did I go out and find some shit or did it knock on my door?
This place is obviously too stressful for you big fella. It is more than you can handle, and you take shit a lot more seriously than me, Kit or any members here.The only one who is being a cunt is Lord Phlexor. A whiny, fat, old, sexist cunt.
There mate. Just for old times sake, I gave you a bit of notice and answered you. Not that it matters but I felt considering how we have got on so well in the past I would give you a bit of my time.
True colours shining though eh?
Yeah, this happens every time I pwn someone, they bring out the fat cunt remarks because they have no leg to stand on.
You are a trouble maker, you like to stir shit up. This is who you are and you enjoy it. But you are a coward and can't just admit the truth.
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Picking on a pregnant woman? A new low even for your Les.
I don't see any validity to this post.
You mean he's always that low? ;)
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Picking on a pregnant woman? A new low even for your Les.
Wow Phlex.
My hair is standing straight up in my neck.
You awake every feminist fibre in my body.
Pregnancy is not an illness or a weakness. And as long as there are no complications, women can do everything they want, apart from a few things.
If a pregnant woman can't do a call-out, she can't be a judge, she can't be a lawyer, she can't be a surgeon, she can't drive a car.
Apart from apparent things, like eating raw meat, eating raw cheeses, changing cat litter without gloves, work with toxic things, women can do what they can do when they are pregnant just like they can when they are not. Don't try to take that away from women Phlex.
I don't want to get back to the times when (only the richer btb) women were treated like expensive china when with child. Please, give the female sex some credit.
And for what it's worth, hormones can make pregnant women, and new mothers very fierce fighters.
Talk about going overboard or over reacting, oh yeah you just did.
For starters, men and women are different, pure fact. Plus I'm more focused on Sir Les in my argument than Kit. As in what It says about his character than hers. I think it's just common sense and general niceness to give a break to a pregnant woman who has had a miscarriage previously. If what she does bothers him that much, and it's Kit we are talking about, then perhaps he should get the fuck off the internet.
And don't you think I know what pregnant women are capable of? I do have a wife that has been pregnant 6 times. Plus this isn't about what they can do physically wise.
Overreaction?
Maybe, but I don't think so.
Women still get sacked easily when they are pregnant. And people clear their conscience by telling it will be better for the mother and the baby. So, yes, it is a sore point with me.
Of course the sacking now happens officially because of other reasons, it is not allowed to discriminate on pregnancy anymore.
But it was allowed in the days my grandmothers were young. Nice jobs, and getting pregnant did not go together, often getting married was already enough to get sacked, getting pregnant was going to do it if they had been lenient on a newly wed woman. Very unfair, and in stealth this still happens. So yes, I react on you bringing in Kit's condition. It's not fair on Kit.
And you saying you were not defending Kit, but showing how low Sir_Les can get makes it even worse.
To me it implies that you tell Kit she can do anything, while you tell Sir_Les that he should treat Kit as if she can't. Wanting him to disrespect Kit, and to act condescending towards Kit.
Why do I answer you? Not because I want to defend Kit, she is very capable of doing that herself. Not because I want to defend Sir_Les, he can do that himself too. But, because it is a view on women that has been used and will be used against women any time it comes in handy economically or for other reasons. Like I said, you triggered every feminist fibre in me. And you did not bring it to peace with your answer. It only got worse.
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Yeah, that's your problem, not mine. It's not what I was trying to to or trying to say.
I'm not trying to protect Kit here, all I started off with was telling Les that perhaps he should drop the internet tough guy routine against someone who probably has a lot more going on IRL that these retarded internet dramas.
It's about men keeping other men in line.
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Yeah, that's your problem, not mine. It's not what I was trying to to or trying to say.
I'm not trying to protect Kit here, all I started off with was telling Les that perhaps he should drop the internet tough guy routine against someone who probably has a lot more going on IRL that these retarded internet dramas.
It's about men keeping other men in line.
Not good enough.
Seems that now you are questioning Kit's judgement to be on a place like I2.
Lots of people here have lots of shit going on IRL. If we have to take that into account, half of us at least would not qualify to be on I2, and there for at risk to being called out.
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Yeah, that's your problem, not mine. It's not what I was trying to to or trying to say.
I'm not trying to protect Kit here, all I started off with was telling Les that perhaps he should drop the internet tough guy routine against someone who probably has a lot more going on IRL that these retarded internet dramas.
It's about men keeping other men in line.
Not good enough.
Seems that now you are questioning Kit's judgement to be on a place like I2.
Lots of people here have lots of shit going on IRL. If we have to take that into account, half of us at least would not qualify to be on I2, and there for at risk to being called out.
I really don't give a shit if it isn't good enough for you, the thing is, kit's situation is a known.
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Yeah, that's your problem, not mine. It's not what I was trying to to or trying to say.
I'm not trying to protect Kit here, all I started off with was telling Les that perhaps he should drop the internet tough guy routine against someone who probably has a lot more going on IRL that these retarded internet dramas.
It's about men keeping other men in line.
Not good enough.
Seems that now you are questioning Kit's judgement to be on a place like I2.
Lots of people here have lots of shit going on IRL. If we have to take that into account, half of us at least would not qualify to be on I2, and there for at risk to being called out.
I really don't give a shit if it isn't good enough for you, the thing is, kit's situation is a known.
Yup, pregnant, and from what I have seen about it, a happy, strong, pregnant woman.
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Yeah, that's your problem, not mine. It's not what I was trying to to or trying to say.
I'm not trying to protect Kit here, all I started off with was telling Les that perhaps he should drop the internet tough guy routine against someone who probably has a lot more going on IRL that these retarded internet dramas.
It's about men keeping other men in line.
Not good enough.
Seems that now you are questioning Kit's judgement to be on a place like I2.
Lots of people here have lots of shit going on IRL. If we have to take that into account, half of us at least would not qualify to be on I2, and there for at risk to being called out.
I really don't give a shit if it isn't good enough for you, the thing is, kit's situation is a known.
Yup, pregnant, and from what I have seen about it, a happy, strong, pregnant woman.
Just keep ignoring the fact that it's more about sir les than it is about kit, if that's the only way you can win your argument.
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Yeah, that's your problem, not mine. It's not what I was trying to to or trying to say.
I'm not trying to protect Kit here, all I started off with was telling Les that perhaps he should drop the internet tough guy routine against someone who probably has a lot more going on IRL that these retarded internet dramas.
It's about men keeping other men in line.
Not good enough.
Seems that now you are questioning Kit's judgement to be on a place like I2.
Lots of people here have lots of shit going on IRL. If we have to take that into account, half of us at least would not qualify to be on I2, and there for at risk to being called out.
I really don't give a shit if it isn't good enough for you, the thing is, kit's situation is a known.
Yup, pregnant, and from what I have seen about it, a happy, strong, pregnant woman.
Just keep ignoring the fact that it's more about sir les than it is about kit, if that's the only way you can win your argument.
Be gentle on me, I'm having my period.
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Yeah, that's your problem, not mine. It's not what I was trying to to or trying to say.
I'm not trying to protect Kit here, all I started off with was telling Les that perhaps he should drop the internet tough guy routine against someone who probably has a lot more going on IRL that these retarded internet dramas.
It's about men keeping other men in line.
Not good enough.
Seems that now you are questioning Kit's judgement to be on a place like I2.
Lots of people here have lots of shit going on IRL. If we have to take that into account, half of us at least would not qualify to be on I2, and there for at risk to being called out.
I really don't give a shit if it isn't good enough for you, the thing is, kit's situation is a known.
Yup, pregnant, and from what I have seen about it, a happy, strong, pregnant woman.
Just keep ignoring the fact that it's more about sir les than it is about kit, if that's the only way you can win your argument.
Be gentle on me, I'm having my period.
You have no real argument, you are just sticking up for your internet boyfriend.
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Yeah, that's your problem, not mine. It's not what I was trying to to or trying to say.
I'm not trying to protect Kit here, all I started off with was telling Les that perhaps he should drop the internet tough guy routine against someone who probably has a lot more going on IRL that these retarded internet dramas.
It's about men keeping other men in line.
Well you failed in this regard. You just made yourself look like a sexist ignorant cunt.
All you started off doing was telling me I was a cunt and trying to try a lowball remark anbout my ex, which gets us to...
True colours shining though eh?
Yeah, this happens every time I pwn someone, they bring out the fat cunt remarks because they have no leg to stand on
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No it is about disrespect. Try it on with me big fella and I give it back tit for tat.
So let's not try to downplay what you have said or talk up what I have said.
You haven't pwned anyone you have just been a bit of a whingy cunt and been exposed for that.
You are a trouble maker, you like to stir shit up. This is who you are and you enjoy it. But you are a coward and can't just admit the truth.
How do you figure that I am a coward. I can't remember cowering from any battle and I certainly am fine with putting up with the mighty Lord Phlexor. You could try explaining but then again you are doing a pretty pathetic job explain your position thus far.
Picking on a pregnant woman? A new low even for your Les.
Wow Phlex.
My hair is standing straight up in my neck.
You awake every feminist fibre in my body.
Pregnancy is not an illness or a weakness. And as long as there are no complications, women can do everything they want, apart from a few things.
If a pregnant woman can't do a call-out, she can't be a judge, she can't be a lawyer, she can't be a surgeon, she can't drive a car.
Apart from apparent things, like eating raw meat, eating raw cheeses, changing cat litter without gloves, work with toxic things, women can do what they can do when they are pregnant just like they can when they are not. Don't try to take that away from women Phlex.
I don't want to get back to the times when (only the richer btb) women were treated like expensive china when with child. Please, give the female sex some credit.
And for what it's worth, hormones can make pregnant women, and new mothers very fierce fighters.
Talk about going overboard or over reacting, oh yeah you just did.
For starters, men and women are different, pure fact. Plus I'm more focused on Sir Les in my argument than Kit. As in what It says about his character than hers. I think it's just common sense and general niceness to give a break to a pregnant woman who has had a miscarriage previously. If what she does bothers him that much, and it's Kit we are talking about, then perhaps he should get the fuck off the internet.
And don't you think I know what pregnant women are capable of? I do have a wife that has been pregnant 6 times. Plus this isn't about what they can do physically wise.
Men and women are different? Really? Is that how you had 6 kids? This is not even a worthy consideration.
Going overboard or over-reacting. Nah it is called disagreeing with your stupidity.
What exactly does it say about my character and for doing what?
Let's break it down for you here
You know what this place is? Right? Intensity.
What hapens on Intensity?
Are we allowed and ought we call out other members on shit? Come on think about it. (Will give you a hint. What is the one maxim tha anyone on here has to adhere to - read the front page for further clues.)
OK who is allowed to be subject to this banter and callouts? Everyone on the site....or everyone except if they are...Kit? Pregnant? what the fuck are you saying here.
Because someone is pregnant it means that they are going to go to pieces with a callout? True or false?
Can Kit handle a callout and would she or anyone else here have any problem answering their charges put to them?
If they couldn't, ought they be members?
Who else has an issue with this? (I am sure Kit doesn't and no other member seems to)
So you have a problem with something.
You see Kit a long time member on this forum getting called out for shit she has said as what this forum is designed around. Now she knows this and I know this and all fair.
But because it is Kit ...and it's Kit we are talking about....
and because she is pregnent she is somehow incapable of having a reasoned debate? Anyone who would seek to call her out is of poor character because she is Kit and because she by your reckonninig can not handle it?
Plus this isn't about what they can do physically wise.
It is not about what they can do physically-wise. You are saying because Kit is pregnant that she can't handle a Les Patterson callout. You are saying that she should be immune to callouts BECAUSE either she is Kit OR because she is pregnant.
That actually says a whole heap of shit about you.
The moment Kit decides this place is too much for her, she will leave OR she will say to me that she wants to be excused from the callout, and I will oblige her. But at the moment all good and fair.
You are just clogging the general flow of the callout much like Richard's posts and with little more to offer to things. A touch more readable but more whiny. They balance out to the same standard.
You just made an ass of yourself.
"It's about men keeping other men in line". Tell me when you manage this Phlex. I imagine other men laugh at you when you go on with rants like this in real life. I won't afford you less disrespect.
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Yeah, that's your problem, not mine. It's not what I was trying to to or trying to say.
I'm not trying to protect Kit here, all I started off with was telling Les that perhaps he should drop the internet tough guy routine against someone who probably has a lot more going on IRL that these retarded internet dramas.
It's about men keeping other men in line.
Not good enough.
Seems that now you are questioning Kit's judgement to be on a place like I2.
Lots of people here have lots of shit going on IRL. If we have to take that into account, half of us at least would not qualify to be on I2, and there for at risk to being called out.
I really don't give a shit if it isn't good enough for you, the thing is, kit's situation is a known.
Yup, pregnant, and from what I have seen about it, a happy, strong, pregnant woman.
Just keep ignoring the fact that it's more about sir les than it is about kit, if that's the only way you can win your argument.
Be gentle on me, I'm having my period.
You have no real argument, you are just sticking up for your internet boyfriend.
Nope, standing up for pregnant women being strong enough.
Had you written this elsewhere, I would have reacted the same.
I like the way Kit is standing her ground here, she's doing great. And this thing between Kit and Sir_Les is between them.
I truly think you are doing pregnant women injustice, when you say Kit should not be called out because of being pregnant.
Me asking you to be gentle because of having a period was sarcasm though. It being this time of the month is true, and you probably can find somewhere on this board that I am on hormones because of it. A period for me without is much harder than delivering a baby is for me. But, I would be appalled if you took me having a period into account when disagreeing with me.
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Now Phlex try and make your point.
Yes I get that you are trying to say that it has nothing to do with Kit being pregnant or about Kit at all....right?
But it is actually to do with my character calling out Kit whom it has nothing to do with...right?
But let's get real for a moment. The issue is that you see this callout as a big thing and no-one else does. You see it as a huge stressor in our real lives.
We don't but you do. You see Kit as inherent weak or stupid and vulnerable. ...and it's Kit we are talking about....
You believe that she can not handle the amount of terrible stress, and moreso because she is pregnant
Therefore my calling her out is somehow risking her frail health and challenging her in horrible ways mentally.
So it would reflect very badly on me and not Kit right??
You silly sack of shit. Get the fuck over yourself. Kit is fine with this. I am fine with this. The members are fine with this.
You are not OK with this and need to get off the internets a while.
There seem one Intensity member who is taking things way too seriously and that is you. You Lord Phlexor who is resorting to be a whiny tard.
Sad really.
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Now Phlex try and make your point.
Yes I get that you are trying to say that it has nothing to do with Kit being pregnant or about Kit at all....right?
But it is actually to do with my character calling out Kit whom it has nothing to do with...right?
But let's get real for a moment. The issue is that you see this callout as a big thing and no-one else does. You see it as a huge stressor in our real lives.
We don't but you do. You see Kit as inherent weak or stupid and vulnerable. ...and it's Kit we are talking about....
You believe that she can not handle the amount of terrible stress, and moreso because she is pregnant
Therefore my calling her out is somehow risking her frail health and challenging her in horrible ways mentally.
So it would reflect very badly on me and not Kit right??
You silly sack of shit. Get the fuck over yourself. Kit is fine with this. I am fine with this. The members are fine with this.
You are not OK with this and need to get off the internets a while.
There seem one Intensity member who is taking things way too seriously and that is you. You Lord Phlexor who is resorting to be a whiny tard.
Sad really.
:LMAO:
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Shit stirring is the Intensity way
:plus: to Sir les
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Now Phlex try and make your point.
Yes I get that you are trying to say that it has nothing to do with Kit being pregnant or about Kit at all....right?
But it is actually to do with my character calling out Kit whom it has nothing to do with...right?
But let's get real for a moment. The issue is that you see this callout as a big thing and no-one else does. You see it as a huge stressor in our real lives.
We don't but you do. You see Kit as inherent weak or stupid and vulnerable. ...and it's Kit we are talking about....
You believe that she can not handle the amount of terrible stress, and moreso because she is pregnant
Therefore my calling her out is somehow risking her frail health and challenging her in horrible ways mentally.
So it would reflect very badly on me and not Kit right??
You silly sack of shit. Get the fuck over yourself. Kit is fine with this. I am fine with this. The members are fine with this.
You are not OK with this and need to get off the internets a while.
There seem one Intensity member who is taking things way too seriously and that is you. You Lord Phlexor who is resorting to be a whiny tard.
Sad really.
:LMAO:
:poo: Deflect.
Yup big guy can't manage reason and go the deflect. Why try really. You did your best and all you came up with was sexist fail, contradiction to the site policy and fail by the keystroke. Were I you I would resort to emoticons too.
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Yep, that must be it, Sir Les nails it again.
::)
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Yep, that must be it, Sir Les nails it again.
::)
Unless you had something rational to say?
Anything...anything...anything at all?
Or you could try to...what was it? "try to keep me in line" :emb:
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Yep, that must be it, Sir Les nails it again.
::)
Unless you had something rational to say?
Anything...anything...anything at all?
Or you could try to...what was it? "try to keep me in line" :emb:
No no, keep up the good work, the internet needs you.
I've said what I wanted to say, a number of times, do you really think me saying it again will achieve anything? No? Didn't think so.
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Gotta plus both Kit and Sir_Les.
:plus: :plus:
666 for you Sir_Les.
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Be gentle on me, I'm having my period.
NO, gb2kitchen woman!
Joking of course, don't tear my balls off.
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Yep, that must be it, Sir Les nails it again.
::)
Unless you had something rational to say?
Anything...anything...anything at all?
Or you could try to...what was it? "try to keep me in line" :emb:
No no, keep up the good work, the internet needs you.
I've said what I wanted to say, a number of times, do you really think me saying it again will achieve anything? No? Didn't think so.
I dunno. Maybe go for coherence this time.
Personally I think you need to go have a bowl Phlex then relax the fuck out :meditate:
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Be gentle on me, I'm having my period.
NO, gb2kitchen woman!
Joking of course, don't tear my balls off.
Good call. (the small print that is)
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Yep, that must be it, Sir Les nails it again.
::)
Unless you had something rational to say?
Anything...anything...anything at all?
Or you could try to...what was it? "try to keep me in line" :emb:
No no, keep up the good work, the internet needs you.
I've said what I wanted to say, a number of times, do you really think me saying it again will achieve anything? No? Didn't think so.
I dunno. Maybe go for coherence this time.
Personally I think you need to go have a bowl Phlex then relax the fuck out :meditate:
You're so funny man, I'm the fat one, I'm the one who needs to relax, yet you're the one who had a heart attack. Life's cruel isn't it.
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And now, rages final thought. Intensity is the best, and if you visit other spectrum websites for reasons besides trolling, you are garbage.
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And now, rages final thought. Intensity is the best, and if you visit other spectrum websites for reasons besides trolling, you are garbage.
I approve this message. :zoinks:
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:green:
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Yep, that must be it, Sir Les nails it again.
::)
Unless you had something rational to say?
Anything...anything...anything at all?
Or you could try to...what was it? "try to keep me in line" :emb:
No no, keep up the good work, the internet needs you.
I've said what I wanted to say, a number of times, do you really think me saying it again will achieve anything? No? Didn't think so.
I dunno. Maybe go for coherence this time.
Personally I think you need to go have a bowl Phlex then relax the fuck out :meditate:
You're so funny man, I'm the fat one, I'm the one who needs to relax, yet you're the one who had a heart attack. Life's cruel isn't it.
Life is a riot. My Father a big drinker, smoker, ate unhealthy and overweight
My Mother fitness freak, petite, nondrinker or smoker.
Guess which one got terminal bowel cancer?
Yup she is fixing to die any time and the old man as strong as ever.
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That was the response to Sopho's drama llama picture and I wasn't expecting any drama, I didn't even know you were going to get bent so out of shape. If I knew would I still have mentioned you scared off another NT? I dunno.
So I made that post and because this is I2, I don't even bother going back to delete my previous posts that would start something. This seems to be the second time here I have done it. First I say who bearheart is after I find out and boom, a drama breaks out. Okay that became enjoyable even though it was not my intention. Then now this.
Kit you are acting like you act without any real context and in a vaccum oblivous to what is going on around you and what others post around you.
I don't believe it for a second. Ricktard was trying his best to give me shit about being a trouble maker and having fun on WP. It is true, I can be and I did have fun on WrongPlanet. People know the score on both accounts and I am not going to deny it. Besides it is Richard for fuck's sake.
Then you come through with a "Agreed. He scares away NT's too on WP and another forum too. Go figure. I feel really bad for the guy getting scared off and wish he had not have left". (Paraphrased)
This was not in a vaccum. YOu sided with Richard. You took your own stance and it was not an incidental passing on of information. Not by any reading.
I was not lying. I didn't know what your partner was talking about so I asked. She didn't answer and she said true so I assumed what I guessed was correct. People need to be more specific. She did say cross forum so I thought she meant here. That didn't make me a liar. I just misunderstood.
MMmmm...ok. Not really buying it tbh. Might be but I think that it rings false in my ears.
Yeah I felt sorry for him on the other board because he felt everyone didn't like him and he was unwanted. Is that a bad thing? I can still feel sorry for people you know. I think you are taking this whole thing too personally. I meant nothing bad by it when you said you scared off another NT. Then you asked which NT and if it was a good thing or a bad thing so I thought you were confused about what I said so I asked if you remembered him so you know what I was talking about. TBH I wasn't sure if you were joking with your question or serious. It can be hard to tell on I2 because of the way it was worded.
What Hykes said I told her I be glad to post the links to the drama if anyone is curious and wants to know the whole story. Then they can decide if you scared him off or if he simply decided to leave and you didn't cause it. Get it? Don't you like people knowing all the facts too before making any assumptions or judgments? Why are you upset by it?
Heck I scared maggiedoll off of WP. Know how I did it? It had to do with what happened between sinsboldly and I and she took her side and didn't like me spreading the word about her being banned and being happy I caused her banning. She stayed for a little longer and then left the forum. Now she just lurks every now and then but she doesn't post. Yes it was her decision to leave and not post there anymore but I was the cause of her to make that choice.
People here scared off sinsboldly when she joined because she didn't like being questioned about something. I don't remember what, callaway remembers though since she does research for the answer and I can't be arsed to do it. Sure it was her choice to leave here and ask her account to be deleted but people here were the cause of her making that choice right?
So I always say someone scared another person off.
Granatelli had many people pissed off with him because he was a bigot. You did not feel sorry about him or his bigotry and were in the front lines with everyone that railed against him including the owner. You kinda skipped over this bit completely huh? Why? Probably something to do with the lack of drama and because it sounds less damning saying "Yeah there was a guy on another board that fought with Les and others and eventually he left. Shortly beforehand Les left"
You wanted to prove your position. Your position was that in backing Ricktards assertions to my character that I had on another forum gone on, railed against an NT and scared them off the site. You wanted to find links to support this to the I2 community.
I simply got in first and exposed what actually happened. No-one here but Hyke actually had the context to know either way and I was damned if I was going to have you post posts out of context to back a point.
I told him to stop talking that way about AS. That was my friendly advice to him. Did he take it? No. I was disappointed in how he took it all to extreme because I thought he was stronger than that. But now my thoughts have changed about that part because maybe he doesn't know what he is saying will offend so he felt better off leaving. Do I miss him? Not really.
What I saw there what you were doing was just asking him why he does these things is all and calling him out on it and not letting him walk away from it. I didn't think you were doing it to scare him off. You can unintentionally scare people off like I did with maggiedoll, and kassianne.
You ripped shit out of him Kit. Most of us did (including and maybe especially me...and Grafton). That is not a bad thing. But it was not isolated to one person nor because the guy was not given a chance nor because he was NT.
Posting the way you did without the context to show people who don't know the situation leaves them a lot of blank space to fill in.
What do you think? They didn't like what he said either. I just rather laughed at his comments than getting all insulted. I recall one of the NT members there saying I was also offended with what I said there but I didn't argue about it because I don't remember saying I was offended by it. I remember saying there I found it funny what he say about AS. But they finally said something about it when you made it an issue and we all stepped in. But you were the one who called it out first and kept shoving it and then he left the forum due to his wife's situation and then he came back and then you brought the issue back which I thought was funny. I was wondering when you were going to do that. Then others decided to step in and say they feel the same way about him too.
Heck I am sure lot of aspies felt that way about him on WP and I sometimes wonder if he had the mods on his back about it. I saw a member mentioning him in her post and it was obvious she was talking about him just by what she was saying about that user. But she wouldn't tell me in PM who she was talking about but I figure who anyway. But he stopped posting on WP too all together after what happened on the other board.
Maybe we can all call you a hero eh? Like I called myself a hero about sins being demodded.
A hero? Wo Kit painting this all now in a very different light to the way you insinuated it earlier.
Picking on a pregnant woman? A new low even for your Les.
Maybe he didn't even know?
Oh well, just as long as I am here, I shouldn't expect special treatment and if I can't take the heat here or the stress, I can just simply leave until I am better.
No you shouldn't Kit.
I will tell you something. I actually IF I had no respect for you and thought you incapable of arguing or resolving shit or of no consequence would not fucking bother with you.
I am simply not prepared to do that. I have no idea what Phlex or anyone else thinks of you but I think you are a bit more substantial than that. You are here and yu know why we are here. You have earned your stripes so to speak.
Ironically if you wanted to call things off for a while I would. You know this too. You have seen it before. With Granatelli on ASDR. :D
Here is something I said:
http://asdrelationships.freeforums.org/post10214.html#p10214
Question:
Would things be any different if granatelli said in the first place "many aspies" or "lot of aspies" or "most aspies" than "aspies?" I mean talking that way would rule out aspies who aren't that way based on what he is saying, so if he went on about how black and white we are and saying how we refuse to see other point of views, etc saying "Most aspies" or "some aspies" " or many aspies" some people would have been less bothered by his posts knowing he isn't saying all aspies are that way?
Yep just asked if anything be different there if he talked that way instead. Apparently he never took that advice if he ever read it.
http://asdrelationships.freeforums.org/post10214.html#p10214
I said:
"I just laughed and moved on"
Better than getting all offended and bent out of shape what I read online so it's better to find it funny.
Here it is where sir les said I told him to shut it:
http://asdrelationships.freeforums.org/post10036.html#p10036
No, just change the way you talk and learn to keep your mouth shut about things or learn to word things different so you don't come off as bigoted or whatever. Just stop being black and white about aspies or is that too hard? You act like we're all the same.
He didn't take that advice either.
Note: I love to post links to verify my posts are true what I said.
Yup already quoted you as saying that.
Now here is the thing. I see this as just contesting your premise and putting facts where base insinuation and uncontextualise claim lay.
I am not bent out of shape or upset. I call bullshit and I always will. I am reactive. Always have been and always will be.
I think that you went fishing and dangled the bait and I took it and landed right in your boat with you and you weren't expecting that type of a reaction.
You should know me enough by now to know that I will always react strongly and doing so is far from a bad thing in my book.
I don't see you as being completely acting in a vaccum of what was going on and I think you did try for some drama and you got it Kit. One big surly Sir_Les to play with.
Have fun Kit.
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you call me melodramatic? that would be you sir, overracting to what a pregnant lady said to you online. my god how do you deal with real life situations? i can see you paying a bill or returning a product irl
"LOOK YOU ASSHOLE< I SAID< THEN YOU SAID, THEN I SAID I PAYED MY BILL ONTIME!"
jesus fucking christ. shut the fuck up already
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you call me melodramatic? that would be you sir, overracting to what a pregnant lady said to you online. my god how do you deal with real life situations? i can see you paying a bill or returning a product irl
"LOOK YOU ASSHOLE< I SAID< THEN YOU SAID, THEN I SAID I PAYED MY BILL ONTIME!"
jesus fucking christ. shut the fuck up already
How's that ignoring working out for you there Richard?
Are you fucking lost? What are you doing here?
Do you have anything to contribute? Do you make any sense? Do you wank yourself insensible before you start posting? Sure looks like it.
This obvious offends your delicate sensibilities so how about going to the Ginseng forum and post about your shiny rocks you keep breaking?
Fucking time-wasting idiot. :-*
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well? get a grip on life man, and then kill yourself. all your problems will be solved then. your a fucking walking basketcase
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well? get a grip on life man, and then kill yourself. all your problems will be solved then. your a fucking walking basketcase
I am fine with life. This thread is no biggie. It is part of what happens here. Read the front page and then ask someone to translate it for you.
Kill myself? You wish
Get a grip? That is you Mr Dick ("Richard") Wank.
Before you try to inject credibility into this thread or question my character or values...tell me do you, or do you not post pictures of you wanking?
Ok thanks for coming (pun intended) and trying to communicate to the humans. Now fuck off and take your fail with you.
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i think its been well established what a melodramatic pussy fuck you really are. your long winded replys and answers in this thread prove that, all over nothing!
since there is really nothing left to prove, i'll let you shit your pants online. and then argue with yourself about why you just shit your pants online
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i think its been well established what a melodramatic pussy fuck you really are. your long winded replys and answers in this thread prove that, all over nothing!
since there is really nothing left to prove, i'll let you shit your pants online. and then argue with yourself about why you just shit your pants online
Talking crap don't make it so does it?
Again if you are offended or upset by this post then you can ignore it. By ignore I don't mean keep reading it and replying to it. You know, really ignore.
I am in no danger of shitting myself Richard.
There was never anything to prove in the first place. You just decided to come in and be a dickhead and did so admirably. It is like you have spent your whole life practicing. Co-incidence? I think not.
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Nope Kit.
This is what happened. Your mate Ricktard was carrying on like a dickhead about how I was a troublemaker and trying to denounce my action with TheZach and in you come with:
I should also add he scared an NT off another forum and off WP too. Go figure.
You then try to:
Paint it as me scaring him off alone.
You being fair and concerned and treating him nicely and feeling sorry for him
Him as a victim
Him leaving before and as a result of me
Then want to post the links to further solidify Your/Ricktard's assertions.
This is where I come in.
Try to tell a forum who was not there and doesn't know what happened, anything, and they are likely to believe it because they are unlikely to join to become members and read the background. All you need to do is to post a few select links to go wit a selective memory and voila!! You have just rewritten history as far as it needs to be rewritten here.
How far did it "need" re-writing? Only as much completely misrepresent what went on somewhere else and back Ricktard's point of view.
Why bring it up at all? No one else was there and no-one else really knew anything about the forum anyhow?
Drama. This was not about telling the truth nor about correct representation Kit.
The only reason you wanted it introduced was to get the drama happening and the gossip.
The reason you place the comment where and how you did was to back Ricktard. There was nothing incidental with what you said.
You said what you said for a specific reason and in answering things you suggest that random shit just hits the keyboard and is entered.
Why mention in this context, Granatelli and ASDRelationships forum? Why use it to back Ricktard? Why insinuate that I chased him off when it was clearly a collaborative effort? Why suggest my efforts bad and yours good and him mistreated? You know damn well this is not right and I have proved it here.
Drama?
It's my friggen opinion that you scared him off. Big deal. Get over it. I never said it was a good thing or a bad thing.
You may think you didn't scare him off, hykes may think that too but I am entitled to my own opinion. Why does it matter what I think? Get over it.
It doesn't make me a bad person to feel sorry for someone. Am I bad for feeling sorry or concerned for sinsboldly when she kept messing with her own profile and couldn't keep her avatars the same for 24 hrs and the fact she was off of WP after her ban was uplifted. Hey even at the same time I was thinking "what did she expect?" So I am not bad for feeling sorry for granatelli when he posted about how no one there wants him, he is unwanted and he gets it. Yeah niceness is a bitch huh?
I never asked for a drama and thank you sir les for showing me how sensitive you are. I really thought you didn't care what people thought or that you aren't sensitive but obviously you do care or you wouldn't be doing this. If you care so much, post your own friggen links to all the dramas if you're so worried what people think. You posted selected quotes too.
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Sure you did Kit.
There is nothing to "Get over". As I say I am neither annoyed or upset but I am calling it how I see it.
You think I misrepresented things. Fine You think I selective posted and did not encapsulate how things went down? I will be happy to be proved wrong.
If someone is railing against someone else and you just happen to bring something like this (the way you did) into the debate you don't need to say it is a good thing or bad thing. By positioning it in this context you necessarily insinuate it to be bad. Just like giving half the story paints it as bad.
Why? Because no-one who is not there has any idea of what actually went on.
You certainly weren't going to give account.
You alluded to this poor NT guy. Me chasing off someone from two forums. Hell when you say "I should also add", what are you adding this to?
You were adding it to Richard condemning rant and NOW you say you weren't trying to show it as a good or bad thing?
Bullshit Kit.
You were adding your own fuel to Ricktards fire and knew precisely that there was no way it would be viewed in a positive light you doing so.
Does it matter in the scheme of things? Probably not. Am I losing sleep over this? Nope
Am I going to call you out on this....you bet your arse I will.
Don't say you had no idea it could be taken this way. Don't say that it was all unintentional and don't try to say that you weren't hoping for a nibble.
You got that nibble. I want to see how you go landing me. :zoinks:
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Granatelli had many people pissed off with him because he was a bigot. You did not feel sorry about him or his bigotry and were in the front lines with everyone that railed against him including the owner. You kinda skipped over this bit completely huh? Why? Probably something to do with the lack of drama and because it sounds less damning saying "Yeah there was a guy on another board that fought with Les and others and eventually he left. Shortly beforehand Les left"
No I felt sorry for him when he felt no one liked him and he was unwanted. Heck I even said the same to SBI on IM. I thought then the simple solution is stop talking that way about AS but now I realize maybe he doesn't know what he was saying wrong and when he found out he offended lot of people, he left. Maybe he doesn't know what he will say will offend so he took it to extreme and quit posting there and left eventually. Just my opinion.
I told him to stop talking that way about AS. That was my friendly advice to him. Did he take it? No. I was disappointed in how he took it all to extreme because I thought he was stronger than that. But now my thoughts have changed about that part because maybe he doesn't know what he is saying will offend so he felt better off leaving. Do I miss him? Not really.
What I saw there what you were doing was just asking him why he does these things is all and calling him out on it and not letting him walk away from it. I didn't think you were doing it to scare him off. You can unintentionally scare people off like I did with maggiedoll, and kassianne.
You ripped shit out of him Kit. Most of us did (including and maybe especially me...and Grafton). That is not a bad thing. But it was not isolated to one person nor because the guy was not given a chance nor because he was NT.
Posting the way you did without the context to show people who don't know the situation leaves them a lot of blank space to fill in.
They can just read the whole thread thanks to the links being posted. I posted the ones I found important and I am not going to go through all my posts and post them all here. That isn't painting a picture.
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Granatelli had many people pissed off with him because he was a bigot. You did not feel sorry about him or his bigotry and were in the front lines with everyone that railed against him including the owner. You kinda skipped over this bit completely huh? Why? Probably something to do with the lack of drama and because it sounds less damning saying "Yeah there was a guy on another board that fought with Les and others and eventually he left. Shortly beforehand Les left"
No I felt sorry for him when he felt no one liked him and he was unwanted. Heck I even said the same to SBI on IM. I thought then the simple solution is stop talking that way about AS but now I realize maybe he doesn't know what he was saying wrong and when he found out he offended lot of people, he left. Maybe he doesn't know what he will say will offend so he took it to extreme and quit posting there and left eventually. Just my opinion.
I told him to stop talking that way about AS. That was my friendly advice to him. Did he take it? No. I was disappointed in how he took it all to extreme because I thought he was stronger than that. But now my thoughts have changed about that part because maybe he doesn't know what he is saying will offend so he felt better off leaving. Do I miss him? Not really.
What I saw there what you were doing was just asking him why he does these things is all and calling him out on it and not letting him walk away from it. I didn't think you were doing it to scare him off. You can unintentionally scare people off like I did with maggiedoll, and kassianne.
You ripped shit out of him Kit. Most of us did (including and maybe especially me...and Grafton). That is not a bad thing. But it was not isolated to one person nor because the guy was not given a chance nor because he was NT.
Posting the way you did without the context to show people who don't know the situation leaves them a lot of blank space to fill in.
They can just read the whole thread thanks to the links being posted. I posted the ones I found important and I am not going to go through all my posts and post them all here. That isn't painting a picture.
They won't though. They will take your word though and if you insinuate it to be negative then they will take it as read that UNLESS they have someone defend the position and and put a contrary perspective on it that the insinuation will be right.
You insinuated this by putting "Let me also add" That is let me add this charge to Richard's list of condemnations.
You DO get this Kit. I know you do.
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Oh this might make you feel better,
http://asdrelationships.freeforums.org/if-you-re-tired-of-granatelli-les-thread-please-don-t-read-t416.html
http://asdrelationships.freeforums.org/grantanelli-please-explain-this-all-to-me-and-tell-me-why-t404.html
I believe this is where the issue started between you two:
http://asdrelationships.freeforums.org/as-health-issues-t368.html
Ah this is the post it started with I remember:
http://asdrelationships.freeforums.org/post9059.html#p9059
There you go, happy? Now everyone can read through it if they give a damn about what really happened. This is where all the drama occurred regarding you calling him out because you got so sick of his bigotryness. Then others stepped in.
Still call this all BS? If so, then why don't you post all the other links you think are relevant to the topic? To me all these links are relevant where the drama started and where it took place. Not BS because it's my own opinion and perspective. I can say you are talking BS just because you don't agree with my view and how it happened or just because we both have our own view about this.
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Granatelli had many people pissed off with him because he was a bigot. You did not feel sorry about him or his bigotry and were in the front lines with everyone that railed against him including the owner. You kinda skipped over this bit completely huh? Why? Probably something to do with the lack of drama and because it sounds less damning saying "Yeah there was a guy on another board that fought with Les and others and eventually he left. Shortly beforehand Les left"
No I felt sorry for him when he felt no one liked him and he was unwanted. Heck I even said the same to SBI on IM. I thought then the simple solution is stop talking that way about AS but now I realize maybe he doesn't know what he was saying wrong and when he found out he offended lot of people, he left. Maybe he doesn't know what he will say will offend so he took it to extreme and quit posting there and left eventually. Just my opinion.
I told him to stop talking that way about AS. That was my friendly advice to him. Did he take it? No. I was disappointed in how he took it all to extreme because I thought he was stronger than that. But now my thoughts have changed about that part because maybe he doesn't know what he is saying will offend so he felt better off leaving. Do I miss him? Not really.
What I saw there what you were doing was just asking him why he does these things is all and calling him out on it and not letting him walk away from it. I didn't think you were doing it to scare him off. You can unintentionally scare people off like I did with maggiedoll, and kassianne.
You ripped shit out of him Kit. Most of us did (including and maybe especially me...and Grafton). That is not a bad thing. But it was not isolated to one person nor because the guy was not given a chance nor because he was NT.
Posting the way you did without the context to show people who don't know the situation leaves them a lot of blank space to fill in.
They can just read the whole thread thanks to the links being posted. I posted the ones I found important and I am not going to go through all my posts and post them all here. That isn't painting a picture.
They won't though. They will take your word though and if you insinuate it to be negative then they will take it as read that UNLESS they have someone defend the position and and put a contrary perspective on it that the insinuation will be right.
You insinuated this by putting "Let me also add" That is let me add this charge to Richard's list of condemnations.
You DO get this Kit. I know you do.
How do you know they won't?
When I see links being posted to past dramas from other forums, I prefer to read it myself and get my own opinion.
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but spokane, dont you know your just throwing more full on teh fire? im shure somwhere in austraila a short overweight man is getting no sleep! could he have said it better? placed a metaphor like this? used one more overly dramatic line about just how much hurt you have caused him?
how you saying him making someone leave is just the end of the world!!!
*holds breath*
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but spokane, dont you know your just throwing more full on teh fire? im shure somwhere in austraila a short overweight man is getting no sleep! could he have said it better? placed a metaphor like this? used one more overly dramatic line about just how much hurt you have caused him?
how you saying him making someone leave is just the end of the world!!!
*holds breath*
I've tried apologizing to him but appearenlty that wasn't the case for him.
I never said it was the end of the world when he made someone leave. He got all bent out of shape over that comment.
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yes i know. i was mocking him, because he obviously is soaked from head to toe in the giant pussy that follows him around. poor guy :P
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yes i know. i was mocking him, because he obviously is soaked from head to toe in the giant pussy that follows him around. poor guy :P
You're a fine one to mock people for being soaked in bodily fluids.
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the sky just fell on my head because you said that. now i supose i shall live the rest of my life as a ninja turtle
:'(
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but spokane, dont you know your just throwing more full on teh fire? im shure somwhere in austraila a short overweight man is getting no sleep! could he have said it better? placed a metaphor like this? used one more overly dramatic line about just how much hurt you have caused him?
how you saying him making someone leave is just the end of the world!!!
*holds breath*
I am sure your every pronouncement makes perfect sense to you and it is very admirable you trying to fight Spokane Girl's fights for her, even if all you can do is attempt at addressing nothing but imagined fantasies of what I look or bother over.
Stick Ricky this situation is not that tricky and does not require the uses of a masturbator. Sorry. As far as uses, you are not up for much even as an ally here for Kit.
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but spokane, dont you know your just throwing more full on teh fire? im shure somwhere in austraila a short overweight man is getting no sleep! could he have said it better? placed a metaphor like this? used one more overly dramatic line about just how much hurt you have caused him?
how you saying him making someone leave is just the end of the world!!!
*holds breath*
I am sure your every pronouncement makes perfect sense to you and it is very admirable you trying to fight Spokane Girl's fights for her, even if all you can do is attempt at addressing nothing but imagined fantasies of what I look or bother over.
Stick Ricky this situation is not that tricky and does not require the uses of a masturbator. Sorry. As far as uses, you are not up for much even as an ally here for Kit.
Plus he just fucked off with his cum stained knickers to Wankville, supposedly for good.
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Oh this might make you feel better,
http://asdrelationships.freeforums.org/if-you-re-tired-of-granatelli-les-thread-please-don-t-read-t416.html
http://asdrelationships.freeforums.org/grantanelli-please-explain-this-all-to-me-and-tell-me-why-t404.html
I believe this is where the issue started between you two:
http://asdrelationships.freeforums.org/as-health-issues-t368.html
Ah this is the post it started with I remember:
http://asdrelationships.freeforums.org/post9059.html#p9059
There you go, happy? Now everyone can read through it if they give a damn about what really happened. This is where all the drama occurred regarding you calling him out because you got so sick of his bigotryness. Then others stepped in.
Still call this all BS? If so, then why don't you post all the other links you think are relevant to the topic? To me all these links are relevant where the drama started and where it took place. Not BS because it's my own opinion and perspective. I can say you are talking BS just because you don't agree with my view and how it happened or just because we both have our own view about this.
I know exactly what happened then and I was not saying any of this was Bullshit.
I was saying (and have said a number of times now) that you chose to bring this up in the way that you did ("and may I add" when adding to Sticky Ricky's condemnation of me - vague assertions to what I did at another board) was by the way you did it,which was NOT neutral or accidental.
You know this. You went fishing for a bite, or perhaps saw Sticky Ricky and I in a fight, and wanted to inflame things.
What you said was specifically by its wording (What was said and unsaid), by its adding on to an opposing argument against me (negative), by the position you took to it (Poor Granatelli I felt sorry for what happened to him and what happened to him is Les chased him away from the board)
As far as I see things I have in the first few posts here rectified the insinuation and put the facts where they should be. So upset? Nope.
About what I am doing, is to see why you are pretending, you were not doing exactly what you were clearly (to me) doing.
I know you don't mind this at all Kit, and I suspect you have never felt sorry for Granatelli. This is how I know this. Your own words.
http://www.intensitysquared.com/index.php/topic,12491.msg590948.html#msg590948
Meadow
Granatelli (a member at WP and ASD Relationships)
Black and white thinkers
Paranoid people
People IMing and then taking them five minutes or more to respond
People IMing me and then they have to go a few minutes later after they have sent me the first IM
Being misunderstood
Getting accused of things that aren't true
People not listening to me
People not apologizing
The run around
People not backing up their claims
People running from an argument
People abusing SSI
Over sensitive people
"Calm down"
"That's part of life."
"They're kids."
People who say AS is fake
People who say they want to be my friend but then they stop talking to me and ignore my PMs or IM or they never come online again
Perverts and pigs (not the animals)
Creepy diaper men
And tim_tex used to piss me off but hasn't lately. Ever since the incident on the forum, he has not made one thread on his women issues.
Internet memes
Arrogance
Two face people
This could get interesting in light of this huh?
Personal opinion as to why you went for this play in the first place?
You like gossip and drama and thought throwing this out there was never going to be pinned back on you. It has now and I really think you should own it. You did what you did to help create drama. You meant it to. You were not for a moment talking neutrally about it and you saw the way to interject it into debate in such a way to create drama.
No biggie Kit. Don't be embarrassed. It is like a stealth farter finally being caught and having to own up to their own farts. Own this one Kit. It was a kind of a shitty thing to do but no doubt you normally get away with it and it is only a speedhump in the life of I2.
(Having said that I gotta say I would prefer you never on my side as a court witness. Can you imagine all seems to be going splendid in a case against me and then my little mate Kit pipes up with "Having said that I might add that he does look like that person in the wanted picture at the bank's office and I think he had a day off work when it last got robbed". When I say "WTF?" She says "What I did not say anything negative or even say you did it. If the jurors want to investigate this probably before they deliberate they can." Context is the killer. It doesn't happen by accident)
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I hope everyone notices how most of les's arguments are built around speculation.
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I hope everyone notices how most of les's arguments are built around speculation.
Whatever Phlex. I call butthurt.
You came in mindlessly into this thread and wanted to "pull me into line" or whatever the fuck you said.
Instead you tripped over your own feet and landed heavy and unceremoniously in front of us all. Exposed and embarrassed, you limped out and dusted yourself off whilst pronouncing you had made your point well and had even pwned me.
You failed here. You know it. Failures not a biggie though is it Phlex.
Kid yourself that I, or anyone else. thinks I am merely speculating all you like, "mate".
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I hope everyone notices how most of les's arguments are built around speculation.
Whatever Phlex. I call butthurt.
You came in mindlessly into this thread and wanted to "pull me into line" or whatever the fuck you said.
Instead you tripped over your own feet and landed heavy and unceremoniously in front of us all. Exposed and embarrassed, you limped out and dusted yourself off whilst pronouncing you had made your point well and had even pwned me.
You failed here. You know it. Failures not a biggie though is it Phlex.
Kid yourself that I, or anyone else. thinks I am merely speculating all you like, "mate".
Also notice how that wasn't even a real reply, again filled with speculation.
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I hope everyone notices how most of les's arguments are built around speculation.
Whatever Phlex. I call butthurt.
You came in mindlessly into this thread and wanted to "pull me into line" or whatever the fuck you said.
Instead you tripped over your own feet and landed heavy and unceremoniously in front of us all. Exposed and embarrassed, you limped out and dusted yourself off whilst pronouncing you had made your point well and had even pwned me.
You failed here. You know it. Failures not a biggie though is it Phlex.
Kid yourself that I, or anyone else. thinks I am merely speculating all you like, "mate".
Also notice how that wasn't even a real reply, again filled with speculation.
It isn't speculation. Merely my perception of what I saw placed in metaphors for you.
Did you or did you not say..."It's about men keeping other men in line."?
How do you figure you manage it? To what extent do you think you made any point about Kit can or can't do and as to why? To what point do you think you made any point about what I ought to do on Intensity and why?
You didn't. You were an abject and dismal failure in this thread. That is the metaphor of you coming here and falling over yourself and thinking that you somehow pwned me "Yeah, this happens every time I pwn someone, they bring out the fat cunt remarks because they have no leg to stand on".
Speculation may to you mean basing educated and reason guesses based on the facts of what has gone before. That to me is not speculation.
You aren't a help to Kit, me or yourself in this thread. YOu think I will see out to rehash things for you? Nah, mate, not up for that.
You came you fail, you tried again you failed further and now I should make an effort with you? I have no idea why you are here you ignorant, sensitive, whiny tool.
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I hope everyone notices how most of les's arguments are built around speculation.
Whatever Phlex. I call butthurt.
You came in mindlessly into this thread and wanted to "pull me into line" or whatever the fuck you said.
Instead you tripped over your own feet and landed heavy and unceremoniously in front of us all. Exposed and embarrassed, you limped out and dusted yourself off whilst pronouncing you had made your point well and had even pwned me.
You failed here. You know it. Failures not a biggie though is it Phlex.
Kid yourself that I, or anyone else. thinks I am merely speculating all you like, "mate".
Also notice how that wasn't even a real reply, again filled with speculation.
It isn't speculation. Merely my perception of what I saw placed in metaphors for you.
Did you or did you not say..."It's about men keeping other men in line."?
How do you figure you manage it? To what extent do you think you made any point about Kit can or can't do and as to why? To what point do you think you made any point about what I ought to do on Intensity and why?
You didn't. You were an abject and dismal failure in this thread. That is the metaphor of you coming here and falling over yourself and thinking that you somehow pwned me "Yeah, this happens every time I pwn someone, they bring out the fat cunt remarks because they have no leg to stand on".
Speculation may to you mean basing educated and reason guesses based on the facts of what has gone before. That to me is not speculation.
You aren't a help to Kit, me or yourself in this thread. YOu think I will see out to rehash things for you? Nah, mate, not up for that.
You came you fail, you tried again you failed further and now I should make an effort with you? I have no idea why you are here you ignorant, sensitive, whiny tool.
Again you have nothing. I think it's amazing how you can type so much yet say so little.
But the fact remains, I type so little and you are falling over yourself to reply with long winded bullshit :laugh:
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I hope everyone notices how most of les's arguments are built around speculation.
Whatever Phlex. I call butthurt.
You came in mindlessly into this thread and wanted to "pull me into line" or whatever the fuck you said.
Instead you tripped over your own feet and landed heavy and unceremoniously in front of us all. Exposed and embarrassed, you limped out and dusted yourself off whilst pronouncing you had made your point well and had even pwned me.
You failed here. You know it. Failures not a biggie though is it Phlex.
Kid yourself that I, or anyone else. thinks I am merely speculating all you like, "mate".
Also notice how that wasn't even a real reply, again filled with speculation.
It isn't speculation. Merely my perception of what I saw placed in metaphors for you.
Did you or did you not say..."It's about men keeping other men in line."?
How do you figure you manage it? To what extent do you think you made any point about Kit can or can't do and as to why? To what point do you think you made any point about what I ought to do on Intensity and why?
You didn't. You were an abject and dismal failure in this thread. That is the metaphor of you coming here and falling over yourself and thinking that you somehow pwned me "Yeah, this happens every time I pwn someone, they bring out the fat cunt remarks because they have no leg to stand on".
Speculation may to you mean basing educated and reason guesses based on the facts of what has gone before. That to me is not speculation.
You aren't a help to Kit, me or yourself in this thread. YOu think I will see out to rehash things for you? Nah, mate, not up for that.
You came you fail, you tried again you failed further and now I should make an effort with you? I have no idea why you are here you ignorant, sensitive, whiny tool.
Again you have nothing. I think it's amazing how you can type so much yet say so little.
But the fact remains, I type so little and you are falling over yourself to reply with long winded bullshit :laugh:
Just to make it clear to you. "Saying so little" is not fact but merely your reading. The reason you read it this way is because you don't understand what I say. This is of little surprise to me and no doubt others that you are failing in this regard. It may be better next time to say "Sir_Les_Patterson....I am failing in understanding anything. I understand so little".
Falling over myself? Hardly. This is my thread and whether it is you , Richard, Kit or anyone else in MY thread I will respond. Do you really thing yourself THAT important in things Phlex? Come a guy like you important in ANY respect? really? How do you figure?
You came in with a silly premise and dedicated a few long tirades at it. You found yourself not in a position to give account of yourself without either sounding generally sexist and ignorant or with very poor opinions on Kit and her ability to handle herself generally or perhaps with little opinion on what this place is supposed to be about. certainly you have no idea what I am about or have any idea or what I have said.
You have not been able to say in lot of words what you wanted to say and now you are trying with economy of words and it still is not working for you Phlex. Having no real way to defend YOUR contention you are now trying to put this on me as my failing, that you are unable to explain your position without failing, and that I ought to post shorter replies out of character to how I normally do...to fit in with you?
You are fucking hopeless mate. Long winded is how I type. Always has been. You are in my thread. If it smells like bullshit to you don't come in here and sit in it. Go to other threads, that you don't think are full of bullshit, and share your fail postings around there. That kinda makes sense doesn't it?
Have another joint and think it over.
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I hope everyone notices how most of les's arguments are built around speculation.
Whatever Phlex. I call butthurt.
You came in mindlessly into this thread and wanted to "pull me into line" or whatever the fuck you said.
Instead you tripped over your own feet and landed heavy and unceremoniously in front of us all. Exposed and embarrassed, you limped out and dusted yourself off whilst pronouncing you had made your point well and had even pwned me.
You failed here. You know it. Failures not a biggie though is it Phlex.
Kid yourself that I, or anyone else. thinks I am merely speculating all you like, "mate".
Also notice how that wasn't even a real reply, again filled with speculation.
It isn't speculation. Merely my perception of what I saw placed in metaphors for you.
Did you or did you not say..."It's about men keeping other men in line."?
How do you figure you manage it? To what extent do you think you made any point about Kit can or can't do and as to why? To what point do you think you made any point about what I ought to do on Intensity and why?
You didn't. You were an abject and dismal failure in this thread. That is the metaphor of you coming here and falling over yourself and thinking that you somehow pwned me "Yeah, this happens every time I pwn someone, they bring out the fat cunt remarks because they have no leg to stand on".
Speculation may to you mean basing educated and reason guesses based on the facts of what has gone before. That to me is not speculation.
You aren't a help to Kit, me or yourself in this thread. YOu think I will see out to rehash things for you? Nah, mate, not up for that.
You came you fail, you tried again you failed further and now I should make an effort with you? I have no idea why you are here you ignorant, sensitive, whiny tool.
Again you have nothing. I think it's amazing how you can type so much yet say so little.
But the fact remains, I type so little and you are falling over yourself to reply with long winded bullshit :laugh:
Just to make it clear to you. "Saying so little" is not fact but merely your reading. The reason you read it this way is because you don't understand what I say. This is of little surprise to me and no doubt others that you are failing in this regard. It may be better next time to say "Sir_Les_Patterson....I am failing in understanding anything. I understand so little".
Falling over myself? Hardly. This is my thread and whether it is you , Richard, Kit or anyone else in MY thread I will respond. Do you really thing yourself THAT important in things Phlex? Come a guy like you important in ANY respect? really? How do you figure?
You came in with a silly premise and dedicated a few long tirades at it. You found yourself not in a position to give account of yourself without either sounding generally sexist and ignorant or with very poor opinions on Kit and her ability to handle herself generally or perhaps with little opinion on what this place is supposed to be about. certainly you have no idea what I am about or have any idea or what I have said.
You have not been able to say in lot of words what you wanted to say and now you are trying with economy of words and it still is not working for you Phlex. Having no real way to defend YOUR contention you are now trying to put this on me as my failing, that you are unable to explain your position without failing, and that I ought to post shorter replies out of character to how I normally do...to fit in with you?
You are fucking hopeless mate. Long winded is how I type. Always has been. You are in my thread. If it smells like bullshit to you don't come in here and sit in it. Go to other threads, that you don't think are full of bullshit, and share your fail postings around there. That kinda makes sense doesn't it?
Have another joint and think it over.
I knew you'd type another novel, You are so my bitch.
Again, nothing of substance, you guess peoples motives, you throw insults for the sake of insults, thinking that's how you win an argument. You might entertain the easily amused members here, but that's about it. But if that's what is important to you, keep it up. :2thumbsup:
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trying to reaad Les's posts reminds me of trying to read through War & Peace :zoinks:
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trying to reaad Les's posts reminds me of trying to read through War & Peace :zoinks:
I will give you a pass Soph.
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Oh this might make you feel better,
http://asdrelationships.freeforums.org/if-you-re-tired-of-granatelli-les-thread-please-don-t-read-t416.html
http://asdrelationships.freeforums.org/grantanelli-please-explain-this-all-to-me-and-tell-me-why-t404.html
I believe this is where the issue started between you two:
http://asdrelationships.freeforums.org/as-health-issues-t368.html
Ah this is the post it started with I remember:
http://asdrelationships.freeforums.org/post9059.html#p9059
There you go, happy? Now everyone can read through it if they give a damn about what really happened. This is where all the drama occurred regarding you calling him out because you got so sick of his bigotryness. Then others stepped in.
Still call this all BS? If so, then why don't you post all the other links you think are relevant to the topic? To me all these links are relevant where the drama started and where it took place. Not BS because it's my own opinion and perspective. I can say you are talking BS just because you don't agree with my view and how it happened or just because we both have our own view about this.
I know exactly what happened then and I was not saying any of this was Bullshit.
I was saying (and have said a number of times now) that you chose to bring this up in the way that you did ("and may I add" when adding to Sticky Ricky's condemnation of me - vague assertions to what I did at another board) was by the way you did it,which was NOT neutral or accidental.
You know this. You went fishing for a bite, or perhaps saw Sticky Ricky and I in a fight, and wanted to inflame things.
What you said was specifically by its wording (What was said and unsaid), by its adding on to an opposing argument against me (negative), by the position you took to it (Poor Granatelli I felt sorry for what happened to him and what happened to him is Les chased him away from the board)
As far as I see things I have in the first few posts here rectified the insinuation and put the facts where they should be. So upset? Nope.
About what I am doing, is to see why you are pretending, you were not doing exactly what you were clearly (to me) doing.
I know you don't mind this at all Kit, and I suspect you have never felt sorry for Granatelli. This is how I know this. Your own words.
http://www.intensitysquared.com/index.php/topic,12491.msg590948.html#msg590948
Meadow
Granatelli (a member at WP and ASD Relationships)
Black and white thinkers
Paranoid people
People IMing and then taking them five minutes or more to respond
People IMing me and then they have to go a few minutes later after they have sent me the first IM
Being misunderstood
Getting accused of things that aren't true
People not listening to me
People not apologizing
The run around
People not backing up their claims
People running from an argument
People abusing SSI
Over sensitive people
"Calm down"
"That's part of life."
"They're kids."
People who say AS is fake
People who say they want to be my friend but then they stop talking to me and ignore my PMs or IM or they never come online again
Perverts and pigs (not the animals)
Creepy diaper men
And tim_tex used to piss me off but hasn't lately. Ever since the incident on the forum, he has not made one thread on his women issues.
Internet memes
Arrogance
Two face people
This could get interesting in light of this huh?
Personal opinion as to why you went for this play in the first place?
You like gossip and drama and thought throwing this out there was never going to be pinned back on you. It has now and I really think you should own it. You did what you did to help create drama. You meant it to. You were not for a moment talking neutrally about it and you saw the way to interject it into debate in such a way to create drama.
No biggie Kit. Don't be embarrassed. It is like a stealth farter finally being caught and having to own up to their own farts. Own this one Kit. It was a kind of a shitty thing to do but no doubt you normally get away with it and it is only a speedhump in the life of I2.
(Having said that I gotta say I would prefer you never on my side as a court witness. Can you imagine all seems to be going splendid in a case against me and then my little mate Kit pipes up with "Having said that I might add that he does look like that person in the wanted picture at the bank's office and I think he had a day off work when it last got robbed". When I say "WTF?" She says "What I did not say anything negative or even say you did it. If the jurors want to investigate this probably before they deliberate they can." Context is the killer. It doesn't happen by accident)
Good to see we're on the same page about this then regarding what happened. So there was no bullshit then. I still think you scared him off because you were a big part of it. You can't change my opinion there and I will never change it.
I felt sorry for him after he said no one likes him and he is unwanted there, got it?
Look at the fucking time stamps. That was posted back in April. When did Granatelli say no one wants him and he is not liked there? Ah here it is right here, May 23rd, a month after I made the other post here:
http://asdrelationships.freeforums.org/post10155.html#p10155
I think you are just making a big fool out of yourself with this thread and I never asked for a drama and you know it. I made myself clear in my PP.
So you see, I am allowed to get different opinions after things happen and different feelings. I still stand by what I have said about him in the past though. That hasn't changed. I'm allowed to change my opinions and my mind. That doesn't make me two faced or a contradictor or a hypocrite.
I bet granatelli be laughing at this thread right now if he were reading it and the people on WP who are seeing this I bet are glad why alex wouldn't choose you as a mod. Getting all bent out of shape over a comment and gosh no wonder people see you as a bully. You jump to conclusions and make assumptions and assume you're right and think everything else is BS so you turn it all into this. It doesn't matter if you think you were defending yourself or not, it still makes you a bully nonetheless and it just means you have issues and you take things out of proportion and get all bent out of shape. Then the fact you totally take my posts out of context claiming I wanted this drama and saying I am doing BS and trying to paint a picture. Well you just showed me what some friend you are, I don't even consider you one anymore because why? I don't need friends who are going to falsely accuse me and think I'm lying. I dump them just like that when they do that stuff to me.
So I am not being two faced. Everything is right here, all the facts.
So you may keep arguing this all you want Sir Les because the rest you say is moot. I think I pretty much summed it all up. And I have gotten second thoughts about you if you were mod. I decided you shouldn't be one on WP not because of this only but because the fact you said you wouldn't lock threads. I can't imagine a forum with chaos and just be cause I like drama doesn't mean I am going to let dramas happen if I were a mod nor not do my job as one.
And don't even be surprised when I do the granatelli after your next reply because I think I have said everything and it's obvious to everyone. And if you do try and pull this stuff on me again, I might just ignore it and not even reply because I wouldn't be arsed to deal with the drama so I would careless if you think I was contradicting myself because I refused to get into an argument after I have said I hate it when people run from arguments. But when it comes to people being brick walls, I don't think it's worth it.
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Kit I hate to do you the discourtesy of having to repeat myself yet again but this is not to do with what actually happened on ASDR. I know what happened. I was there.
This has specifically to do with you saying in response to Richard's rants against me "and may I add that he...".
You started it of as an add on to a rant so by context you were placing it as a bad thing.
You then told a forum who had no context that I scared away an NT.
From this alone you are insinuating that I am an NT basher and the context of the "and i may add" support this.
Next you say how I chased them off two forums and that it was done at a place where no-one has an account (Except me and Hyke). You say poor him and how hurt he was.
All of this paints a pretty bad picture doesn't it. Not a nice thing to do to a friend. That is OK though Kit. I don't care that much but thought to call you on it anyway. You dislike people not backing themselves and running from arguments and I know you love drama so here it is. An opportunity for all that. I thought you would be pleased by all this. No?
You keep saying again and again that I am all bent out of shape. No Kit not really. Is it bothering you? Why not just answer why you presented things as you did and in the context you did. If you could do it without claiming that you meant it neutrally that would be smashing. Thanks Kit.
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Kit I hate to do you the discourtesy of having to repeat myself yet again but this is not to do with what actually happened on ASDR. I know what happened. I was there.
This has specifically to do with you saying in response to Richard's rants against me "and may I add that he...".
You started it of as an add on to a rant so by context you were placing it as a bad thing.
You then told a forum who had no context that I scared away an NT.
From this alone you are insinuating that I am an NT basher and the context of the "and i may add" support this.
Next you say how I chased them off two forums and that it was done at a place where no-one has an account (Except me and Hyke). You say poor him and how hurt he was.
All of this paints a pretty bad picture doesn't it. Not a nice thing to do to a friend. That is OK though Kit. I don't care that much but thought to call you on it anyway. You dislike people not backing themselves and running from arguments and I know you love drama so here it is. An opportunity for all that. I thought you would be pleased by all this. No?
You keep saying again and again that I am all bent out of shape. No Kit not really. Is it bothering you? Why not just answer why you presented things as you did and in the context you did. If you could do it without claiming that you meant it neutrally that would be smashing. Thanks Kit.
But I never meant it as a bad thing nor was I ranting. I just said it okay, I didn't mean it as good or bad nor as a rant and my god I was only thinking of how you chased off another NT, I wasn't thinking of anything else. I said you chased him off is all and where did I say you were an NT basher? To me doing all this and claiming I was saying BS about you is caring what I think.
If you still don't believe me, then this argument is pretty much over because you are not going to get an answer you want to hear because I am not going to lie to you just so you be all happy and move on, I don't work that way so you are just going to keep getting the same answer over and over in different wording or me doing the Granatelli because I get so sick of repeating myself and talking to a brick wall. It's never bothered me you scared him off but I always thought it was a shame he took it to extreme but now I understand why he took it to extreme and it has to do with my own personal experience I went through last month. If he wanted to leave and quit posting, it was his choice as Hykes said. Same as when he quit WP all together. If it weren't for you, he would still be posting on those two forums. Was it a good thing or a bad thing? I have no opinion about it so I do not know.
I have already answered your other questions and I have already explained myself.
Instead of turning it all into this why didn't you just say your side of the story and I would have still said you chased him off because you were a big cause of it and if it weren't for you, no one else would have said his comments about aspies have been bothering them too and you would have seen we just have our own opinions and nothing else. No need for an argument over this just because someone's opinion is different than yours or their point of view, it doesn't make it BS just because their view isn't the same as yours.
You know what a friend told me last fall? He told me when someone tells their side of the story and they leave out parts about what happened in a incident, it doesn't mean they are lying because the parts they leave out may not have been relevant to them that were relevant to me. So when Kassiane and I had a huge issue between us, she talked about what happened here instead than what happened in the group and you know what I thought? "Bullshit" because she left out the group part so I told that part and then my friend told me she probably didn't see the group incident as relevant as I did so she left it out. It didn't mean she was lying nor trying to paint a picture about what happened between us. This is just an example of how people's views are different about what happened and how their point of view about what happened may not match what you saw or how you view it. It doesn't mean they are lying or trying to paint a picture. So that was a new lesson I had learned last fall I never knew about about how people think and what might be going on in their heads when their side of the story doesn't match mine nor what they say about the same details.
Okay I think I get your point of view now, I wasn't trying to paint anything. I wish you get mine. And I find it very hurtful you think I would try and intentionally do something to you. I thought you knew me well but I guess I was wrong and even worse when a friend thinks wrong of me after knowing me for three years. I have been here for three years and you have been here how long? I thought that be plenty of time to know what kind of person I am.
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Kit I hate to do you the discourtesy of having to repeat myself yet again but this is not to do with what actually happened on ASDR. I know what happened. I was there.
This has specifically to do with you saying in response to Richard's rants against me "and may I add that he...".
You started it of as an add on to a rant so by context you were placing it as a bad thing.
You then told a forum who had no context that I scared away an NT.
From this alone you are insinuating that I am an NT basher and the context of the "and i may add" support this.
Next you say how I chased them off two forums and that it was done at a place where no-one has an account (Except me and Hyke). You say poor him and how hurt he was.
All of this paints a pretty bad picture doesn't it. Not a nice thing to do to a friend. That is OK though Kit. I don't care that much but thought to call you on it anyway. You dislike people not backing themselves and running from arguments and I know you love drama so here it is. An opportunity for all that. I thought you would be pleased by all this. No?
You keep saying again and again that I am all bent out of shape. No Kit not really. Is it bothering you? Why not just answer why you presented things as you did and in the context you did. If you could do it without claiming that you meant it neutrally that would be smashing. Thanks Kit.
But I never meant it as a bad thing nor was I ranting. I just said it okay, I didn't mean it as good or bad nor as a rant and my god I was only thinking of how you chased off another NT, I wasn't thinking of anything else. I said you chased him off is all and where did I say you were an NT basher? To me doing all this and claiming I was saying BS about you is caring what I think.
If you still don't believe me, then this argument is pretty much over because you are not going to get an answer you want to hear because I am not going to lie to you just so you be all happy and move on, I don't work that way so you are just going to keep getting the same answer over and over in different wording or me doing the Granatelli because I get so sick of repeating myself and talking to a brick wall. It's never bothered me you scared him off but I always thought it was a shame he took it to extreme but now I understand why he took it to extreme and it has to do with my own personal experience I went through last month. If he wanted to leave and quit posting, it was his choice as Hykes said. Same as when he quit WP all together. If it weren't for you, he would still be posting on those two forums. Was it a good thing or a bad thing? I have no opinion about it so I do not know.
I have already answered your other questions and I have already explained myself.
Instead of turning it all into this why didn't you just say your side of the story and I would have still said you chased him off because you were a big cause of it and if it weren't for you, no one else would have said his comments about aspies have been bothering them too and you would have seen we just have our own opinions and nothing else. No need for an argument over this just because someone's opinion is different than yours or their point of view, it doesn't make it BS just because their view isn't the same as yours.
You know what a friend told me last fall? He told me when someone tells their side of the story and they leave out parts about what happened in a incident, it doesn't mean they are lying because the parts they leave out may not have been relevant to them that were relevant to me. So when Kassiane and I had a huge issue between us, she talked about what happened here instead than what happened in the group and you know what I thought? "Bullshit" because she left out the group part so I told that part and then my friend told me she probably didn't see the group incident as relevant as I did so she left it out. It didn't mean she was lying nor trying to paint a picture about what happened between us. This is just an example of how people's views are different about what happened and how their point of view about what happened may not match what you saw or how you view it. It doesn't mean they are lying or trying to paint a picture. So that was a new lesson I had learned last fall I never knew about about how people think and what might be going on in their heads when their side of the story doesn't match mine nor what they say about the same details.
Okay I think I get your point of view now, I wasn't trying to paint anything. I wish you get mine. And I find it very hurtful you think I would try and intentionally do something to you. I thought you knew me well but I guess I was wrong and even worse when a friend thinks wrong of me after knowing me for three years. I have been here for three years and you have been here how long? I thought that be plenty of time to know what kind of person I am.
Kit read the Peanut Gallery and consider what Hyke has said. She is spot on and I am not surprised. I will be here.
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:fiveshots: :popcorn:
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I knew you'd type another novel, You are so my bitch.
Again, nothing of substance, you guess peoples motives, you throw insults for the sake of insults, thinking that's how you win an argument. You might entertain the easily amused members here, but that's about it. But if that's what is important to you, keep it up. :2thumbsup:
:lol:
Only just saw this. Phlex, Phlex , Phlex. If only you wanting something to be true or to go your way was tantamount to you being correct .... or rational. Hell were that the case then, yes I would be your bitch.....mind you, you would also have a job and not be fat.
I will tell you something. I don't seek to win an argument with you because you don't put up one. I don't try to pwn you because as best I try I don't think I could do better than your self-pwning efforts earlier in the thread.
Hope that helps
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I knew you'd type another novel, You are so my bitch.
Again, nothing of substance, you guess peoples motives, you throw insults for the sake of insults, thinking that's how you win an argument. You might entertain the easily amused members here, but that's about it. But if that's what is important to you, keep it up. :2thumbsup:
:lol:
Only just saw this. Phlex, Phlex , Phlex. If only you wanting something to be true or to go your way was tantamount to you being correct .... or rational. Hell were that the case then, yes I would be your bitch.....mind you, you would also have a job and not be fat.
I will tell you something. I don't seek to win an argument with you because you don't put up one. I don't try to pwn you because as best I try I don't think I could do better than your self-pwning efforts earlier in the thread.
Hope that helps
Why would I play those retarded games in your head for? I'll leave looking like a dickhead to you.
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I knew you'd type another novel, You are so my bitch.
Again, nothing of substance, you guess peoples motives, you throw insults for the sake of insults, thinking that's how you win an argument. You might entertain the easily amused members here, but that's about it. But if that's what is important to you, keep it up. :2thumbsup:
:lol:
Only just saw this. Phlex, Phlex , Phlex. If only you wanting something to be true or to go your way was tantamount to you being correct .... or rational. Hell were that the case then, yes I would be your bitch.....mind you, you would also have a job and not be fat.
I will tell you something. I don't seek to win an argument with you because you don't put up one. I don't try to pwn you because as best I try I don't think I could do better than your self-pwning efforts earlier in the thread.
Hope that helps
Why would I play those retarded games in your head for? I'll leave looking like a dickhead to you.
You are playing retarded games in my head? What the hell are you on about now?.
You are not "making me your bitch" nor are you "keeping me in line" or any of the other retarded fail you are spouting. You are spouting fail on an internet forum full of spazzes and beyond all reason keep seeking to do so.
I see no game. No strategy. No end result other than more fail for you. It is rather pitiful.
It is a big fat fail.
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I knew you'd type another novel, You are so my bitch.
Again, nothing of substance, you guess peoples motives, you throw insults for the sake of insults, thinking that's how you win an argument. You might entertain the easily amused members here, but that's about it. But if that's what is important to you, keep it up. :2thumbsup:
:lol:
Only just saw this. Phlex, Phlex , Phlex. If only you wanting something to be true or to go your way was tantamount to you being correct .... or rational. Hell were that the case then, yes I would be your bitch.....mind you, you would also have a job and not be fat.
I will tell you something. I don't seek to win an argument with you because you don't put up one. I don't try to pwn you because as best I try I don't think I could do better than your self-pwning efforts earlier in the thread.
Hope that helps
Why would I play those retarded games in your head for? I'll leave looking like a dickhead to you.
You are playing retarded games in my head? What the hell are you on about now?.
You are not "making me your bitch" nor are you "keeping me in line" or any of the other retarded fail you are spouting. You are spouting fail on an internet forum full of spazzes and beyond all reason keep seeking to do so.
I see no game. No strategy. No end result other than more fail for you. It is rather pitiful.
It is a big fat fail.
Aww, is this all too hard for you to understand? I though you were good at explaining everything to everyone else like you are the only person who understands. Is there finally something Mr KnowItAll can't explain?
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I knew you'd type another novel, You are so my bitch.
Again, nothing of substance, you guess peoples motives, you throw insults for the sake of insults, thinking that's how you win an argument. You might entertain the easily amused members here, but that's about it. But if that's what is important to you, keep it up. :2thumbsup:
:lol:
Only just saw this. Phlex, Phlex , Phlex. If only you wanting something to be true or to go your way was tantamount to you being correct .... or rational. Hell were that the case then, yes I would be your bitch.....mind you, you would also have a job and not be fat.
I will tell you something. I don't seek to win an argument with you because you don't put up one. I don't try to pwn you because as best I try I don't think I could do better than your self-pwning efforts earlier in the thread.
Hope that helps
Why would I play those retarded games in your head for? I'll leave looking like a dickhead to you.
You are playing retarded games in my head? What the hell are you on about now?.
You are not "making me your bitch" nor are you "keeping me in line" or any of the other retarded fail you are spouting. You are spouting fail on an internet forum full of spazzes and beyond all reason keep seeking to do so.
I see no game. No strategy. No end result other than more fail for you. It is rather pitiful.
It is a big fat fail.
Aww, is this all too hard for you to understand? I though you were good at explaining everything to everyone else like you are the only person who understands. Is there finally something Mr KnowItAll can't explain?
Its OK Randy never understood what I was telling him nor I of what he tried to communicate either. I don't have an issue with his or your communication fail. Does that helpp?
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I knew you'd type another novel, You are so my bitch.
Again, nothing of substance, you guess peoples motives, you throw insults for the sake of insults, thinking that's how you win an argument. You might entertain the easily amused members here, but that's about it. But if that's what is important to you, keep it up. :2thumbsup:
:lol:
Only just saw this. Phlex, Phlex , Phlex. If only you wanting something to be true or to go your way was tantamount to you being correct .... or rational. Hell were that the case then, yes I would be your bitch.....mind you, you would also have a job and not be fat.
I will tell you something. I don't seek to win an argument with you because you don't put up one. I don't try to pwn you because as best I try I don't think I could do better than your self-pwning efforts earlier in the thread.
Hope that helps
Why would I play those retarded games in your head for? I'll leave looking like a dickhead to you.
You are playing retarded games in my head? What the hell are you on about now?.
You are not "making me your bitch" nor are you "keeping me in line" or any of the other retarded fail you are spouting. You are spouting fail on an internet forum full of spazzes and beyond all reason keep seeking to do so.
I see no game. No strategy. No end result other than more fail for you. It is rather pitiful.
It is a big fat fail.
Aww, is this all too hard for you to understand? I though you were good at explaining everything to everyone else like you are the only person who understands. Is there finally something Mr KnowItAll can't explain?
Its OK Randy never understood what I was telling him nor I of what he tried to communicate either. I don't have an issue with his or your communication fail. Does that helpp?
Oh I understand exactly what you are talking about. It's you who have no idea. So who is really failing here :laugh:
It's a real pity your taunting never made it out of the school yard.
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I knew you'd type another novel, You are so my bitch.
Again, nothing of substance, you guess peoples motives, you throw insults for the sake of insults, thinking that's how you win an argument. You might entertain the easily amused members here, but that's about it. But if that's what is important to you, keep it up. :2thumbsup:
:lol:
Only just saw this. Phlex, Phlex , Phlex. If only you wanting something to be true or to go your way was tantamount to you being correct .... or rational. Hell were that the case then, yes I would be your bitch.....mind you, you would also have a job and not be fat.
I will tell you something. I don't seek to win an argument with you because you don't put up one. I don't try to pwn you because as best I try I don't think I could do better than your self-pwning efforts earlier in the thread.
Hope that helps
Why would I play those retarded games in your head for? I'll leave looking like a dickhead to you.
You are playing retarded games in my head? What the hell are you on about now?.
You are not "making me your bitch" nor are you "keeping me in line" or any of the other retarded fail you are spouting. You are spouting fail on an internet forum full of spazzes and beyond all reason keep seeking to do so.
I see no game. No strategy. No end result other than more fail for you. It is rather pitiful.
It is a big fat fail.
Aww, is this all too hard for you to understand? I though you were good at explaining everything to everyone else like you are the only person who understands. Is there finally something Mr KnowItAll can't explain?
Its OK Randy never understood what I was telling him nor I of what he tried to communicate either. I don't have an issue with his or your communication fail. Does that helpp?
Oh I understand exactly what you are talking about. It's you who have no idea. So who is really failing here :laugh:
It's a real pity your taunting never made it out of the school yard.
Sure big guy if that is what will get you through the day good luck to you. I don't care enough to take on your fail. I will let you walk into the sunset hi-fiving yourself on your evident fail and with some deluded sense of win. I am not that invested in you, and as I say I could not seek to match your own ability to self-pwn with any effort to show you how ridiculous you are.
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I knew you'd type another novel, You are so my bitch.
Again, nothing of substance, you guess peoples motives, you throw insults for the sake of insults, thinking that's how you win an argument. You might entertain the easily amused members here, but that's about it. But if that's what is important to you, keep it up. :2thumbsup:
:lol:
Only just saw this. Phlex, Phlex , Phlex. If only you wanting something to be true or to go your way was tantamount to you being correct .... or rational. Hell were that the case then, yes I would be your bitch.....mind you, you would also have a job and not be fat.
I will tell you something. I don't seek to win an argument with you because you don't put up one. I don't try to pwn you because as best I try I don't think I could do better than your self-pwning efforts earlier in the thread.
Hope that helps
Why would I play those retarded games in your head for? I'll leave looking like a dickhead to you.
You are playing retarded games in my head? What the hell are you on about now?.
You are not "making me your bitch" nor are you "keeping me in line" or any of the other retarded fail you are spouting. You are spouting fail on an internet forum full of spazzes and beyond all reason keep seeking to do so.
I see no game. No strategy. No end result other than more fail for you. It is rather pitiful.
It is a big fat fail.
Aww, is this all too hard for you to understand? I though you were good at explaining everything to everyone else like you are the only person who understands. Is there finally something Mr KnowItAll can't explain?
Its OK Randy never understood what I was telling him nor I of what he tried to communicate either. I don't have an issue with his or your communication fail. Does that helpp?
Oh I understand exactly what you are talking about. It's you who have no idea. So who is really failing here :laugh:
It's a real pity your taunting never made it out of the school yard.
Sure big guy if that is what will get you through the day good luck to you. I don't care enough to take on your fail. I will let you walk into the sunset hi-fiving yourself on your evident fail and with some deluded sense of win. I am not that invested in you, and as I say I could not seek to match your own ability to self-pwn with any effort to show you how ridiculous you are.
Ohh, big guy eh? Is that a part of your online aussie ocka charm eh? Why don't you leave the 70's and join 21st century Australia.
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I knew you'd type another novel, You are so my bitch.
Again, nothing of substance, you guess peoples motives, you throw insults for the sake of insults, thinking that's how you win an argument. You might entertain the easily amused members here, but that's about it. But if that's what is important to you, keep it up. :2thumbsup:
:lol:
Only just saw this. Phlex, Phlex , Phlex. If only you wanting something to be true or to go your way was tantamount to you being correct .... or rational. Hell were that the case then, yes I would be your bitch.....mind you, you would also have a job and not be fat.
I will tell you something. I don't seek to win an argument with you because you don't put up one. I don't try to pwn you because as best I try I don't think I could do better than your self-pwning efforts earlier in the thread.
Hope that helps
Why would I play those retarded games in your head for? I'll leave looking like a dickhead to you.
You are playing retarded games in my head? What the hell are you on about now?.
You are not "making me your bitch" nor are you "keeping me in line" or any of the other retarded fail you are spouting. You are spouting fail on an internet forum full of spazzes and beyond all reason keep seeking to do so.
I see no game. No strategy. No end result other than more fail for you. It is rather pitiful.
It is a big fat fail.
Aww, is this all too hard for you to understand? I though you were good at explaining everything to everyone else like you are the only person who understands. Is there finally something Mr KnowItAll can't explain?
Its OK Randy never understood what I was telling him nor I of what he tried to communicate either. I don't have an issue with his or your communication fail. Does that helpp?
Oh I understand exactly what you are talking about. It's you who have no idea. So who is really failing here :laugh:
It's a real pity your taunting never made it out of the school yard.
Sure big guy if that is what will get you through the day good luck to you. I don't care enough to take on your fail. I will let you walk into the sunset hi-fiving yourself on your evident fail and with some deluded sense of win. I am not that invested in you, and as I say I could not seek to match your own ability to self-pwn with any effort to show you how ridiculous you are.
Ohh, big guy eh? Is that a part of your online aussie ocka charm eh? Why don't you leave the 70's and join 21st century Australia.
I thought it sounded a bit nicer than "slobbering drug-addled behemoth". I thought your feelings may get hurt.
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I knew you'd type another novel, You are so my bitch.
Again, nothing of substance, you guess peoples motives, you throw insults for the sake of insults, thinking that's how you win an argument. You might entertain the easily amused members here, but that's about it. But if that's what is important to you, keep it up. :2thumbsup:
:lol:
Only just saw this. Phlex, Phlex , Phlex. If only you wanting something to be true or to go your way was tantamount to you being correct .... or rational. Hell were that the case then, yes I would be your bitch.....mind you, you would also have a job and not be fat.
I will tell you something. I don't seek to win an argument with you because you don't put up one. I don't try to pwn you because as best I try I don't think I could do better than your self-pwning efforts earlier in the thread.
Hope that helps
Why would I play those retarded games in your head for? I'll leave looking like a dickhead to you.
You are playing retarded games in my head? What the hell are you on about now?.
You are not "making me your bitch" nor are you "keeping me in line" or any of the other retarded fail you are spouting. You are spouting fail on an internet forum full of spazzes and beyond all reason keep seeking to do so.
I see no game. No strategy. No end result other than more fail for you. It is rather pitiful.
It is a big fat fail.
Aww, is this all too hard for you to understand? I though you were good at explaining everything to everyone else like you are the only person who understands. Is there finally something Mr KnowItAll can't explain?
Its OK Randy never understood what I was telling him nor I of what he tried to communicate either. I don't have an issue with his or your communication fail. Does that helpp?
Oh I understand exactly what you are talking about. It's you who have no idea. So who is really failing here :laugh:
It's a real pity your taunting never made it out of the school yard.
Sure big guy if that is what will get you through the day good luck to you. I don't care enough to take on your fail. I will let you walk into the sunset hi-fiving yourself on your evident fail and with some deluded sense of win. I am not that invested in you, and as I say I could not seek to match your own ability to self-pwn with any effort to show you how ridiculous you are.
Ohh, big guy eh? Is that a part of your online aussie ocka charm eh? Why don't you leave the 70's and join 21st century Australia.
I thought it sounded a bit nicer than "slobbering drug-addled behemoth". I thought your feelings may get hurt.
Would probably be as ineffective as everything else you post, so why not.
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I knew you'd type another novel, You are so my bitch.
Again, nothing of substance, you guess peoples motives, you throw insults for the sake of insults, thinking that's how you win an argument. You might entertain the easily amused members here, but that's about it. But if that's what is important to you, keep it up. :2thumbsup:
:lol:
Only just saw this. Phlex, Phlex , Phlex. If only you wanting something to be true or to go your way was tantamount to you being correct .... or rational. Hell were that the case then, yes I would be your bitch.....mind you, you would also have a job and not be fat.
I will tell you something. I don't seek to win an argument with you because you don't put up one. I don't try to pwn you because as best I try I don't think I could do better than your self-pwning efforts earlier in the thread.
Hope that helps
Why would I play those retarded games in your head for? I'll leave looking like a dickhead to you.
You are playing retarded games in my head? What the hell are you on about now?.
You are not "making me your bitch" nor are you "keeping me in line" or any of the other retarded fail you are spouting. You are spouting fail on an internet forum full of spazzes and beyond all reason keep seeking to do so.
I see no game. No strategy. No end result other than more fail for you. It is rather pitiful.
It is a big fat fail.
Aww, is this all too hard for you to understand? I though you were good at explaining everything to everyone else like you are the only person who understands. Is there finally something Mr KnowItAll can't explain?
Its OK Randy never understood what I was telling him nor I of what he tried to communicate either. I don't have an issue with his or your communication fail. Does that helpp?
Oh I understand exactly what you are talking about. It's you who have no idea. So who is really failing here :laugh:
It's a real pity your taunting never made it out of the school yard.
Sure big guy if that is what will get you through the day good luck to you. I don't care enough to take on your fail. I will let you walk into the sunset hi-fiving yourself on your evident fail and with some deluded sense of win. I am not that invested in you, and as I say I could not seek to match your own ability to self-pwn with any effort to show you how ridiculous you are.
Ohh, big guy eh? Is that a part of your online aussie ocka charm eh? Why don't you leave the 70's and join 21st century Australia.
I thought it sounded a bit nicer than "slobbering drug-addled behemoth". I thought your feelings may get hurt.
Would probably be as ineffective as everything else you post, so why not.
Meh. Consider it said.
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I knew you'd type another novel, You are so my bitch.
Again, nothing of substance, you guess peoples motives, you throw insults for the sake of insults, thinking that's how you win an argument. You might entertain the easily amused members here, but that's about it. But if that's what is important to you, keep it up. :2thumbsup:
:lol:
Only just saw this. Phlex, Phlex , Phlex. If only you wanting something to be true or to go your way was tantamount to you being correct .... or rational. Hell were that the case then, yes I would be your bitch.....mind you, you would also have a job and not be fat.
I will tell you something. I don't seek to win an argument with you because you don't put up one. I don't try to pwn you because as best I try I don't think I could do better than your self-pwning efforts earlier in the thread.
Hope that helps
Why would I play those retarded games in your head for? I'll leave looking like a dickhead to you.
You are playing retarded games in my head? What the hell are you on about now?.
You are not "making me your bitch" nor are you "keeping me in line" or any of the other retarded fail you are spouting. You are spouting fail on an internet forum full of spazzes and beyond all reason keep seeking to do so.
I see no game. No strategy. No end result other than more fail for you. It is rather pitiful.
It is a big fat fail.
Aww, is this all too hard for you to understand? I though you were good at explaining everything to everyone else like you are the only person who understands. Is there finally something Mr KnowItAll can't explain?
Its OK Randy never understood what I was telling him nor I of what he tried to communicate either. I don't have an issue with his or your communication fail. Does that helpp?
Oh I understand exactly what you are talking about. It's you who have no idea. So who is really failing here :laugh:
It's a real pity your taunting never made it out of the school yard.
Sure big guy if that is what will get you through the day good luck to you. I don't care enough to take on your fail. I will let you walk into the sunset hi-fiving yourself on your evident fail and with some deluded sense of win. I am not that invested in you, and as I say I could not seek to match your own ability to self-pwn with any effort to show you how ridiculous you are.
Ohh, big guy eh? Is that a part of your online aussie ocka charm eh? Why don't you leave the 70's and join 21st century Australia.
I thought it sounded a bit nicer than "slobbering drug-addled behemoth". I thought your feelings may get hurt.
Would probably be as ineffective as everything else you post, so why not.
Meh. Consider it said.
Yep, as I thought, ineffective. Got anything better than school yard insults?
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I knew you'd type another novel, You are so my bitch.
Again, nothing of substance, you guess peoples motives, you throw insults for the sake of insults, thinking that's how you win an argument. You might entertain the easily amused members here, but that's about it. But if that's what is important to you, keep it up. :2thumbsup:
:lol:
Only just saw this. Phlex, Phlex , Phlex. If only you wanting something to be true or to go your way was tantamount to you being correct .... or rational. Hell were that the case then, yes I would be your bitch.....mind you, you would also have a job and not be fat.
I will tell you something. I don't seek to win an argument with you because you don't put up one. I don't try to pwn you because as best I try I don't think I could do better than your self-pwning efforts earlier in the thread.
Hope that helps
Why would I play those retarded games in your head for? I'll leave looking like a dickhead to you.
You are playing retarded games in my head? What the hell are you on about now?.
You are not "making me your bitch" nor are you "keeping me in line" or any of the other retarded fail you are spouting. You are spouting fail on an internet forum full of spazzes and beyond all reason keep seeking to do so.
I see no game. No strategy. No end result other than more fail for you. It is rather pitiful.
It is a big fat fail.
Aww, is this all too hard for you to understand? I though you were good at explaining everything to everyone else like you are the only person who understands. Is there finally something Mr KnowItAll can't explain?
Its OK Randy never understood what I was telling him nor I of what he tried to communicate either. I don't have an issue with his or your communication fail. Does that helpp?
Oh I understand exactly what you are talking about. It's you who have no idea. So who is really failing here :laugh:
It's a real pity your taunting never made it out of the school yard.
Sure big guy if that is what will get you through the day good luck to you. I don't care enough to take on your fail. I will let you walk into the sunset hi-fiving yourself on your evident fail and with some deluded sense of win. I am not that invested in you, and as I say I could not seek to match your own ability to self-pwn with any effort to show you how ridiculous you are.
Ohh, big guy eh? Is that a part of your online aussie ocka charm eh? Why don't you leave the 70's and join 21st century Australia.
I thought it sounded a bit nicer than "slobbering drug-addled behemoth". I thought your feelings may get hurt.
Would probably be as ineffective as everything else you post, so why not.
Meh. Consider it said.
Yep, as I thought, ineffective. Got anything better than school yard insults?
For you? Not really. You think you are worth more? Amazing.
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For you? Not really. You think you are worth more? Amazing.
Guess you ran out of ideas, pity.
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So what are you drinking? I'm off to get the order, and I need to know what you want.
BTW: game starts at 2.30.
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For you? Not really. You think you are worth more? Amazing.
Guess you ran out of ideas, pity.
No I think you trying pin any point is like nailing jelly to a wall and i am supposed to help you out here or translate your nonsense? Why would I do thjis favour for you. You seem intent on fail and I am happy to let you do just that.
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For you? Not really. You think you are worth more? Amazing.
Guess you ran out of ideas, pity.
No I think you trying pin any point is like nailing jelly to a wall and i am supposed to help you out here or translate your nonsense? Why would I do thjis favour for you. You seem intent on fail and I am happy to let you do just that.
:yawn:
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Kit's callout, is now a Plexor callout?
For you? Not really. You think you are worth more? Amazing.
A put down does not win an argument.
Especially, as I think this originally started because Phlexor thought it was low of you to start attacking Kit for entertainment...out of genuine and admirable concern. Whether anyone else or even Kit feels this is an insult or irrelevant that she is pregnant, is their opinion. However, Plexor's initial post I saw as very nice to be concerned. Nothing more, nothing less.
No I think you trying pin any point is like nailing jelly to a wall and i am supposed to help you out here or translate your nonsense? Why would I do thjis favour for you. You seem intent on fail and I am happy to let you do just that.
Another way you, Les try to 'appear' to win an argument by putting people down and demeaning them, rather than sticking to the original topic and discussing the issue at hand.
And I think Phlexor did make his point, and you further proved how low and schoolboyish your behaviour can be at times by calling him 'fat' and references to him not having a job....you lost all credibility after that on this try at debate.
WTF...all he did was fire up at you for what he thought was a low attack on a woman.
And by the way Les, what makes your 'attacks' more admirable than Kit's, or anyone else's for that matter?
Oh yeah, that's right, calling someone fat is so much more admirable than Kit's behaviour.
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Oh shit, Eclair v.s Sir_Les...
:popcorn:
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Kit's callout, is now a Plexor callout?
For you? Not really. You think you are worth more? Amazing.
A put down does not win an argument.
Especially, as I think this originally started because Phlexor thought it was low of you to start attacking Kit for entertainment...out of genuine and admirable concern. Whether anyone else or even Kit feels this is an insult or irrelevant that she is pregnant, is their opinion. However, Plexor's initial post I saw as very nice to be concerned. Nothing more, nothing less.
No I think you trying pin any point is like nailing jelly to a wall and i am supposed to help you out here or translate your nonsense? Why would I do thjis favour for you. You seem intent on fail and I am happy to let you do just that.
Another way you, Les try to 'appear' to win an argument by putting people down and demeaning them, rather than sticking to the original topic and discussing the issue at hand.
And I think Phlexor did make his point, and you further proved how low and schoolboyish your behaviour can be at times by calling him 'fat' and references to him not having a job....you lost all credibility after that on this try at debate.
WTF...all he did was fire up at you for what he thought was a low attack on a woman.
And by the way Les, what makes your 'attacks' more admirable than Kit's, or anyone else's for that matter?
Oh yeah, that's right, calling someone fat is so much more admirable than Kit's behaviour.
OK Eclair I will bite.
So Lord Phlexor becomes Saint Phlexor in your eyes and had an "admirable" attack full of concern? "Nothing more, nothing less."
Picking on a pregnant woman? A new low even for your Les.
http://www.intensitysquared.com/index.php/topic,9579.495.html
Get up to speed Phlexor.
Explain "even for you" and then explain "picking on".
As for her pregnancy. I chose not her pregnancy nor her words. Nor did I choose her to use them here.
So have a read. Have a think and try again mate. I am sure you have good cause to say what you did and I would like to hear it.
Yeah, but what kind of cunt has a go at a pregnant woman, you know that it isn't all fun and games being pregnant, unless the reason you aren't married anymore is because you were an oblivious cunt to your ex wife.
I think it says more about your character than hers right now. You made a choice and have to live with the fact of that's how you look towards me now.
I don't imagine you give a shit but I felt I had to say something.
oooppsss...what was that middle bit. That bolded bit right there Eclair. Was that admirable? Concerned? Nothing more or less? Making a point perhaps?
Now way I read it here Eclair and correct me if I am wrong or call my rationale here schoolyard or bullying if you like but in MY book remarks like the above are actually a little personal. You in turn are saying that Saint Phlexor can say whatever personal shit at me and in return I am not able to do that. If I were to do that then by default I would be "low and schoolboyish" and without credibility but he can and makes what? Credible, admirable and concerned points?
Bullshit Eclair. That is not how it works.
Some comes at me personally and I go at them personal. I don't get mad but I see it as a green light to take things to that person level. I am actually all good with that. That is the way it is and you can read it any way you like. You normally do and strange ways they are. I have commented on this before both you and Hardron read things in peculiar ways.
He did not make any real point but then I don't speak dickhead and if you do then that is all good with me too.
Saintt Phlexor. Who would have thought he rise to such a station. Right up there with Mary McKillop. It is a good day for Intensity.
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What Phlexor said was that it was low to pick on a pregnant woman, which given his perspective as a husband of a six times pregnant wife is very understandable. I do understand that pregnant women can be judges or anything else they want, but I also remember my husband wound up with IBS dealing with stress when I was pregnant. Some people tend to go easier on people when they know they are having a harder time IRL, whether that's because they are pregnant, they just had surgery, they just suffered a loss, or whatever reason, and I think that's where Phlexor was coming from.
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Yeah, but what kind of cunt has a go at a pregnant woman, you know that it isn't all fun and games being pregnant, unless the reason you aren't married anymore is because you were an oblivious cunt to your ex wife.
I think it says more about your character than hers right now. You made a choice and have to live with the fact of that's how you look towards me now.
I don't imagine you give a shit but I felt I had to say something.
oooppsss...what was that middle bit. That bolded bit right there Eclair. Was that admirable? Concerned? Nothing more or less? Making a point perhaps?
Now way I read it here Eclair and correct me if I am wrong or call my rationale here schoolyard or bullying if you like but in MY book remarks like the above are actually a little personal. You in turn are saying that Saint Phlexor can say whatever personal shit at me and in return I am not able to do that. If I were to do that then by default I would be "low and schoolboyish" and without credibility but he can and makes what? Credible, admirable and concerned points?
Bullshit Eclair. That is not how it works.
Some comes at me personally and I go at them personal. I don't get mad but I see it as a green light to take things to that person level. I am actually all good with that. That is the way it is and you can read it any way you like. You normally do and strange ways they are. I have commented on this before both you and Hardron read things in peculiar ways.
He did not make any real point but then I don't speak dickhead and if you do then that is all good with me too.
Saintt Phlexor. Who would have thought he rise to such a station. Right up there with Mary McKillop. It is a good day for Intensity.
I suspect it did demonstrate his opinion of the little regard he felt you had for your own wife and conveyed his disgust at how he thinks you treat women anyway to make his point.
He was disgusted in your behaviour towards a woman, and used a previous example of his understanding of your behaviour towards women from what I can see.
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What Phlexor said was that it was low to pick on a pregnant woman, which given his perspective as a husband of a six times pregnant wife is very understandable. I do understand that pregnant women can be judges or anything else they want, but I also remember my husband wound up with IBS dealing with stress when I was pregnant. Some people tend to go easier on people when they know they are having a harder time IRL, whether that's because they are pregnant, they just had surgery, they just suffered a loss, or whatever reason, and I think that's where Phlexor was coming from.
Maybe. Maybe not. He chose to say what he said how he said it and I will answer him in kind. I see nothing particularly noble in his reaction.
Kit has said herself that she dislikes people not backing themselves or running from an argument. I see it as in line with this that I bought this up and as personal as I may have been to Phlex I don't believe I was so with Kit.
If Kit said at any point that she wanted to drop it, as she has seen before I would have. No questions asked.
This is Intensity and I think Phlex has lost sight of the fact that Kit is a grown woman. she is a long time member, she is here by choice, she is more than capable of answering for herself, she is not his wife.
Furthermore he has had 6 kids and I too. I am not completely oblivious to what pregnancy is. I still do not see the foul.
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Yeah, but what kind of cunt has a go at a pregnant woman, you know that it isn't all fun and games being pregnant, unless the reason you aren't married anymore is because you were an oblivious cunt to your ex wife.
I think it says more about your character than hers right now. You made a choice and have to live with the fact of that's how you look towards me now.
I don't imagine you give a shit but I felt I had to say something.
oooppsss...what was that middle bit. That bolded bit right there Eclair. Was that admirable? Concerned? Nothing more or less? Making a point perhaps?
Now way I read it here Eclair and correct me if I am wrong or call my rationale here schoolyard or bullying if you like but in MY book remarks like the above are actually a little personal. You in turn are saying that Saint Phlexor can say whatever personal shit at me and in return I am not able to do that. If I were to do that then by default I would be "low and schoolboyish" and without credibility but he can and makes what? Credible, admirable and concerned points?
Bullshit Eclair. That is not how it works.
Some comes at me personally and I go at them personal. I don't get mad but I see it as a green light to take things to that person level. I am actually all good with that. That is the way it is and you can read it any way you like. You normally do and strange ways they are. I have commented on this before both you and Hardron read things in peculiar ways.
He did not make any real point but then I don't speak dickhead and if you do then that is all good with me too.
Saintt Phlexor. Who would have thought he rise to such a station. Right up there with Mary McKillop. It is a good day for Intensity.
I suspect it did demonstrate his opinion of the little regard he felt you had for your own wife and conveyed his disgust at how he thinks you treat women anyway to make his point.
He was disgusted in your behaviour towards a woman, and used a previous example of his understanding of your behaviour towards women from what I can see.
He has no understanding of what my behaviour is towards women. He simply wanted to get personal. He did and I did. You come in her wanting to commend him for his ability to do so? Fair enough well done. You also believe that me responding in kind is a bad thing? Fair enough.
Whether you think this or not matter very little to me.
You would prefer me to cop shit like that unanswered, and that will never happen. You can be as disappointed or disapproving as you like Eclair. It is not going to change things. Hope that brings things a little clearer for you.
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Yeah, but what kind of cunt has a go at a pregnant woman, you know that it isn't all fun and games being pregnant, unless the reason you aren't married anymore is because you were an oblivious cunt to your ex wife.
I think it says more about your character than hers right now. You made a choice and have to live with the fact of that's how you look towards me now.
I don't imagine you give a shit but I felt I had to say something.
oooppsss...what was that middle bit. That bolded bit right there Eclair. Was that admirable? Concerned? Nothing more or less? Making a point perhaps?
Now way I read it here Eclair and correct me if I am wrong or call my rationale here schoolyard or bullying if you like but in MY book remarks like the above are actually a little personal. You in turn are saying that Saint Phlexor can say whatever personal shit at me and in return I am not able to do that. If I were to do that then by default I would be "low and schoolboyish" and without credibility but he can and makes what? Credible, admirable and concerned points?
Bullshit Eclair. That is not how it works.
Some comes at me personally and I go at them personal. I don't get mad but I see it as a green light to take things to that person level. I am actually all good with that. That is the way it is and you can read it any way you like. You normally do and strange ways they are. I have commented on this before both you and Hardron read things in peculiar ways.
He did not make any real point but then I don't speak dickhead and if you do then that is all good with me too.
Saintt Phlexor. Who would have thought he rise to such a station. Right up there with Mary McKillop. It is a good day for Intensity.
I suspect it did demonstrate his opinion of the little regard he felt you had for your own wife and conveyed his disgust at how he thinks you treat women anyway to make his point.
He was disgusted in your behaviour towards a woman, and used a previous example of his understanding of your behaviour towards women from what I can see.
He has no understanding of what my behaviour is towards women. He simply wanted to get personal. He did and I did. You come in her wanting to commend him for his ability to do so? Fair enough well done. You also believe that me responding in kind is a bad thing? Fair enough.
Whether you think this or not matter very little to me.
You would prefer me to cop shit like that unanswered, and that will never happen. You can be as disappointed or disapproving as you like Eclair. It is not going to change things. Hope that brings things a little clearer for you.
I'd suggest you do 2 things.
1. Acknowledge you have mistakenly quoted the above as my words (red), when they are in fact Phlexor's.
2. Read my original post. It refers to you using unassociated things to make a point. Phlexor to my mind, was validating his point with a previous example of how he felt you treated women with disgregard previously. In other words, it was relevant to the subject matter.
(oh, and in reference to my point number 2...'using unassociated things to make a point'. My original post was to point that out. But alas...you start on about me thinking Phlexor's a hero...ramble, ramble, ramble)
- And as an aside, for your noble offer to say you would have stopped if Kit had asked you to....well, you had already posted a multitude of shit before she even could respond.
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Yeah, but what kind of cunt has a go at a pregnant woman, you know that it isn't all fun and games being pregnant, unless the reason you aren't married anymore is because you were an oblivious cunt to your ex wife.
I think it says more about your character than hers right now. You made a choice and have to live with the fact of that's how you look towards me now.
I don't imagine you give a shit but I felt I had to say something.
oooppsss...what was that middle bit. That bolded bit right there Eclair. Was that admirable? Concerned? Nothing more or less? Making a point perhaps?
Now way I read it here Eclair and correct me if I am wrong or call my rationale here schoolyard or bullying if you like but in MY book remarks like the above are actually a little personal. You in turn are saying that Saint Phlexor can say whatever personal shit at me and in return I am not able to do that. If I were to do that then by default I would be "low and schoolboyish" and without credibility but he can and makes what? Credible, admirable and concerned points?
Bullshit Eclair. That is not how it works.
Some comes at me personally and I go at them personal. I don't get mad but I see it as a green light to take things to that person level. I am actually all good with that. That is the way it is and you can read it any way you like. You normally do and strange ways they are. I have commented on this before both you and Hardron read things in peculiar ways.
He did not make any real point but then I don't speak dickhead and if you do then that is all good with me too.
Saintt Phlexor. Who would have thought he rise to such a station. Right up there with Mary McKillop. It is a good day for Intensity.
I suspect it did demonstrate his opinion of the little regard he felt you had for your own wife and conveyed his disgust at how he thinks you treat women anyway to make his point.
He was disgusted in your behaviour towards a woman, and used a previous example of his understanding of your behaviour towards women from what I can see.
He has no understanding of what my behaviour is towards women. He simply wanted to get personal. He did and I did. You come in her wanting to commend him for his ability to do so? Fair enough well done. You also believe that me responding in kind is a bad thing? Fair enough.
Whether you think this or not matter very little to me.
You would prefer me to cop shit like that unanswered, and that will never happen. You can be as disappointed or disapproving as you like Eclair. It is not going to change things. Hope that brings things a little clearer for you.
I'd suggest you do 2 things.
1. Acknowledge you have mistakenly quoted the above as my words (red), when they are in fact Phlexor's.
2. Read my original post. It refers to you using unassociated things to make a point. Phlexor to my mind, was validating his point with a previous example of how he felt you treated women with disgregard previously. In other words, it was relevant to the subject matter.
(oh, and in reference to my point number 2...'using unassociated things to make a point'. My original post was to point that out. But alas...you start on about me thinking Phlexor's a hero...ramble, ramble, ramble)
- And as an aside, for your noble offer to say you would have stopped if Kit had asked you to....well, you had already posted a multitude of shit before she even could respond.
I did not mistakenly quote those words as yours and nor did I suggest they were your's. I did however you it to show that his behaviour was in my view not as you say and why I feel more than OK responding to him personally. Did then, do now.
I did read your post in which you said (here is a quote and I completely hold myself out as you saying them just to be perfectly clear) "However, Plexor's initial post I saw as very nice to be concerned. Nothing more, nothing less." (in fact "admirable concern"). Now my contention to you is that, far from being unreasonable in getting personal with Saint Phlexor, that he CHOOSING to say the above red coloured wording (that was coloured by you and not Saint Phlexor, but that you endorsed as being nicely concerned and admirable, nothing more and nothing less) was in fact a personal attack.
So my contention to you who would chose to view his unsubstantiated personal attacks on me as all noble (parphrased "I saw as very nice to be concerned. Nothing more, nothing less." not saying that you used the term noble of course) and mine as "low and schoolboyish" (yes these were your references) for stooping down to personal attacks.
You have completely eluded that the reality of the situation is that the only other response is to cop it sweet and I don't delude yourself to thinking this would ever happen.
As to your second point and being that Phlex is obviously a large part of my life and know my innermost workings and that of my ex-wife...oh...wait on. You see the problem here? But he sees how I relate to women generally in my everyday...oh...damn. There is a point there somewhere about how he has some understanding of something. What was it? "previous example of how he felt you treated women with disgregard previously" (that was you wasn't it?) You believe that he is some kind of a decent judge on these things or something? Am I close?
I did post a lot of stuff before Kit did. I think it back my point reasonably well and I don't think it was too heavy-handed or brutal and I think she responded well enough. Where the foul is I still can not see. As I said with my posted reply to Callaway.
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^ And this is how you respond when someone points out (as I said, refer to my first and succinct post), that you, in fact started getting defensive on something that was intended as care and concern for a member.
I DID NOT necessarily endorse Phlexor's comments about your marriage. I SAID that he used it perhaps as a way to demonstrate how disgusted he was at your behaviour at Kit, and used his opinion on a previous situation where he believed you demonstrated similar behaviour.
I would even question that he used it to hurt you perse, but rather show how disgusted he was with your attitude towards Kit.
As to your second point and being that Phlex is obviously a large part of my life and know my innermost workings and that of my ex-wife...oh...wait on. You see the problem here? But he sees how I relate to women generally in my everyday...oh...damn. There is a point there somewhere about how he has some understanding of something. What was it? "previous example of how he felt you treated women with disgregard previously" (that was you wasn't it?) You believe that he is some kind of a decent judge on these things or something? Am I close?
I did post a lot of stuff before Kit did. I think it back my point reasonably well and I don't think it was too heavy-handed or brutal and I think she responded well enough. Where the foul is I still can not see. As I said with my posted reply to Callaway.
That's between you and he to sort out if you think he took advantage of personal information. Perhaps you should have addressed that directly?
You believe that he is some kind of a decent judge on these things or something? Am I close?
No, I just think you shot down a man who was trying to bring to your attention that you might be misguided in starting something with Kit. I don't think he deserved to be shot down for that.
And no, just because I think someone's heart was in the right place, doesn't mean I necessarily agree with them. If I observe what went on, it seems he was shocked by your arrogance and perhaps thought having a go at your marriage was a shot at getting across how low he thought your respect for women was.
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^ And this is how you respond when someone points out (as I said, refer to my first and succinct post), that you, in fact started getting defensive on something that was intended as care and concern for a member.
I DID NOT necessarily endorse Phlexor's comments about your marriage. I SAID that he used it perhaps as a way to demonstrate how disgusted he was at your behaviour at Kit, and used his opinion on a previous situation where he believed you demonstrated similar behaviour.
I would even question that he used it to hurt you perse, but rather show how disgusted he was with your attitude towards Kit.
As to your second point and being that Phlex is obviously a large part of my life and know my innermost workings and that of my ex-wife...oh...wait on. You see the problem here? But he sees how I relate to women generally in my everyday...oh...damn. There is a point there somewhere about how he has some understanding of something. What was it? "previous example of how he felt you treated women with disgregard previously" (that was you wasn't it?) You believe that he is some kind of a decent judge on these things or something? Am I close?
I did post a lot of stuff before Kit did. I think it back my point reasonably well and I don't think it was too heavy-handed or brutal and I think she responded well enough. Where the foul is I still can not see. As I said with my posted reply to Callaway.
That's between you and he to sort out if you think he took advantage of personal information. Perhaps you should have addressed that directly?
You believe that he is some kind of a decent judge on these things or something? Am I close?
No, I just think you shot down a man who was trying to bring to your attention that you might be misguided in starting something with Kit. I don't think he deserved to be shot down for that.
And no, just because I think someone's heart was in the right place, doesn't mean I necessarily agree with them. If I observe what went on, it seems he was shocked by your arrogance and perhaps thought having a go at your marriage was a shot at getting across how low he thought your respect for women was.
He hasn't hurt me and he hasn't taken advantage of personal information. I don't see where you are getting this.
I was not being arrogant or defensive. Again I will state and I hope this is making some kind of sense this time around that he WAS getting personal regardless of what kind of moral high horse he rode in on, and as a result I got personal back and OF COURSE he deserved to get shot of the damn thing. Again if someone gets personal with you, you ought not meekly take it. That would be fucking ridiculous. I am mind-boggled that you would think of it as such.
If someone malign you as a parent (personal attack - with me) for whatever reason (heart in the right place or not) I would not find it at all "low and schoolgirlish" for you to counter this in a like personal manner. tat for fat I say.
You have chosen though to say this of my behaviour. His behaviour, what exactly have you said there?
Yup don't try to say that this was an impartial viewpoint, or that you were not supporting his right to say whatever, and denouncing my right to respond in kind. It wasn't and you really ought not need this pointed out because it is as clear as clear.
If we can not respond to people getting personal with us then where the hell am I? I thought I was at I2 and I thought people knew what the hell this place is for and what was expected repartee? You and Saint Phlexor should know better.
If Phlexor wanted to take a shot to prove some point of his, he has tried it fully knowing what he was doing and being prepared to be reacted on. He got reacted on and there is no foul.
But perhaps to spell it out for me. Tell me if someone attacked you personally what would you have done? Same setting. Go hard Eclair and tell me how you would have played patty-cake with them or told them that you felt their pain or sung a couple of choruses of Kumbaya.
BTW I am "shocked by HIS arrogance" and his low view of Kit and her ability to defend a viewpoint, because she is Kit "we are talking about" or because she is pregnant. I find it insulting.
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As to your second point and being that Phlex is obviously a large part of my life and know my innermost workings and that of my ex-wife...oh...wait on. You see the problem here? But he sees how I relate to women generally in my everyday...oh...damn. There is a point there somewhere about how he has some understanding of something. What was it? "previous example of how he felt you treated women with disgregard previously" (that was you wasn't it?) You believe that he is some kind of a decent judge on these things or something? Am I close?
I did post a lot of stuff before Kit did. I think it back my point reasonably well and I don't think it was too heavy-handed or brutal and I think she responded well enough. Where the foul is I still can not see. As I said with my posted reply to Callaway.
Your post reads to me as if you did know him IRL.
BTW I am "shocked by HIS arrogance" and his low view of Kit and her ability to defend a viewpoint, because she is Kit "we are talking about" or because she is pregnant. I find it insulting.
And he was shocked by YOUR arrogance. Get it now?
BTW I am "shocked by HIS arrogance" and his low view of Kit and her ability to defend a viewpoint, because she is Kit "we are talking about" or because she is pregnant. I find it insulting.
I'm going to take this to another level because YOU are trying to imply that Phlexor insinuated a pregnant women is somehow 'inferior' (or insert whatever term you wish to mean 'pregnant women are strong and capable')
Firstly. Kit has already admitted that she can become quite upset and obsess on internet dramas anyway. Why throw a red flag to a bull, when she doesn't need that shit in her life whilst pregnant and has problems ignoring it?
Or maybe Les, you are so obsessed, that yes, even though this site is all about backing words, that sometimes it really IS best to bite your tongue for the wellbeing of a member.
Secondly, it is clear she did not tell people she was pregnant straight away. What does that mean? She wanted to be sure the baby was certain, she didn't want special treatment, not sure...it's surely better to err on the side of caution though because she's had a difficult time with pregnancy before, and Phlexor was trying to bring your attention to that.
And just in case you and your supporters are so sure that Kit could take it, I suggest you read the posts here, and in particular Kit's;
http://www.intensitysquared.com/index.php/topic,14835.new.html#new
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As to your second point and being that Phlex is obviously a large part of my life and know my innermost workings and that of my ex-wife...oh...wait on. You see the problem here? But he sees how I relate to women generally in my everyday...oh...damn. There is a point there somewhere about how he has some understanding of something. What was it? "previous example of how he felt you treated women with disgregard previously" (that was you wasn't it?) You believe that he is some kind of a decent judge on these things or something? Am I close?
I did post a lot of stuff before Kit did. I think it back my point reasonably well and I don't think it was too heavy-handed or brutal and I think she responded well enough. Where the foul is I still can not see. As I said with my posted reply to Callaway.
Your post reads to me as if you did know him IRL.
BTW I am "shocked by HIS arrogance" and his low view of Kit and her ability to defend a viewpoint, because she is Kit "we are talking about" or because she is pregnant. I find it insulting.
And he was shocked by YOUR arrogance. Get it now?
BTW I am "shocked by HIS arrogance" and his low view of Kit and her ability to defend a viewpoint, because she is Kit "we are talking about" or because she is pregnant. I find it insulting.
I'm going to take this to another level because YOU are trying to imply that Phlexor insinuated a pregnant women is somehow 'inferior' (or insert whatever term you wish to mean 'pregnant women are strong and capable')
Firstly. Kit has already admitted that she can become quite upset and obsess on internet dramas anyway. Why throw a red flag to a bull, when she doesn't need that shit in her life whilst pregnant and has problems ignoring it?
Or maybe Les, you are so obsessed, that yes, even though this site is all about backing words, that sometimes it really IS best to bite your tongue for the wellbeing of a member.
Secondly, it is clear she did not tell people she was pregnant straight away. What does that mean? She wanted to be sure the baby was certain, she didn't want special treatment, not sure...it's surely better to err on the side of caution though because she's had a difficult time with pregnancy before, and Phlexor was trying to bring your attention to that.
And just in case you and your supporters are so sure that Kit could take it, I suggest you read the posts here, and in particular Kit's;
http://www.intensitysquared.com/index.php/topic,14835.new.html#new
"Get it now?". No not really because arrogant or not I would not have used it as an excuse for a lowball personal attack, so no.
I am insinuating that with Phlex bringing up her pregnancy as a precursor for not calling out a member AND him mentioning that "it is Kit we are talking about". Neither of which I say is a precursor to not.
But perhaps you can make a list of all members on Intensity that we are never allowed to argue with. I will start it for you
KIT.....
It is never best to bite your tongue from lowball personal attacks. Never. Don't try to convince me otherwise. Saint Phlexor copped what he deserved and no less.
She stated categorically that she did not want special treatment so let's not err on the side of caution what ever that means.
Furthermore let's say that whilst I haven't read the thread you posted and won't as you are trying to being it up as something I ought to have known and acted on after the case I can tell you categorically that I have seen her say a number of times things to the effect (Some posted in this thread) that she does love gossip, She does love drama and she hates people that run from arguments and don't back their claim.
But hey that is me out the way.
You still haven't explained your position on whether you should defend yourself from personal attacks and whether in doing so makes you "low and schoolgirlish" (yes I will keep an eye on every tie you do so from here on in if you say to the contrary and raise it up for you to hoist you back up on a moral high horse if you do) and whether someone insulting you in such a manner is "admirable",
You could do this next post along with that members to be excluded from any argument list. Best that we are all on the same page here wouldn't you think?
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As to your second point and being that Phlex is obviously a large part of my life and know my innermost workings and that of my ex-wife...oh...wait on. You see the problem here? But he sees how I relate to women generally in my everyday...oh...damn. There is a point there somewhere about how he has some understanding of something. What was it? "previous example of how he felt you treated women with disgregard previously" (that was you wasn't it?) You believe that he is some kind of a decent judge on these things or something? Am I close?
I did post a lot of stuff before Kit did. I think it back my point reasonably well and I don't think it was too heavy-handed or brutal and I think she responded well enough. Where the foul is I still can not see. As I said with my posted reply to Callaway.
Your post reads to me as if you did know him IRL.
BTW I am "shocked by HIS arrogance" and his low view of Kit and her ability to defend a viewpoint, because she is Kit "we are talking about" or because she is pregnant. I find it insulting.
And he was shocked by YOUR arrogance. Get it now?
BTW I am "shocked by HIS arrogance" and his low view of Kit and her ability to defend a viewpoint, because she is Kit "we are talking about" or because she is pregnant. I find it insulting.
I'm going to take this to another level because YOU are trying to imply that Phlexor insinuated a pregnant women is somehow 'inferior' (or insert whatever term you wish to mean 'pregnant women are strong and capable')
Firstly. Kit has already admitted that she can become quite upset and obsess on internet dramas anyway. Why throw a red flag to a bull, when she doesn't need that shit in her life whilst pregnant and has problems ignoring it?
Or maybe Les, you are so obsessed, that yes, even though this site is all about backing words, that sometimes it really IS best to bite your tongue for the wellbeing of a member.
Secondly, it is clear she did not tell people she was pregnant straight away. What does that mean? She wanted to be sure the baby was certain, she didn't want special treatment, not sure...it's surely better to err on the side of caution though because she's had a difficult time with pregnancy before, and Phlexor was trying to bring your attention to that.
And just in case you and your supporters are so sure that Kit could take it, I suggest you read the posts here, and in particular Kit's;
http://www.intensitysquared.com/index.php/topic,14835.new.html#new
"Get it now?". No not really because arrogant or not I would not have used it as an excuse for a lowball personal attack, so no.
I am insinuating that with Phlex bringing up her pregnancy as a precursor for not calling out a member AND him mentioning that "it is Kit we are talking about". Neither of which I say is a precursor to not.
But perhaps you can make a list of all members on Intensity that we are never allowed to argue with. I will start it for you
KIT.....
It is never best to bite your tongue from lowball personal attacks. Never. Don't try to convince me otherwise. Saint Phlexor copped what he deserved and no less.
She stated categorically that she did not want special treatment so let's not err on the side of caution what ever that means.
Furthermore let's say that whilst I haven't read the thread you posted and won't as you are trying to being it up as something I ought to have known and acted on after the case I can tell you categorically that I have seen her say a number of times things to the effect (Some posted in this thread) that she does love gossip, She does love drama and she hates people that run from arguments and don't back their claim.
But hey that is me out the way.
You still haven't explained your position on whether you should defend yourself from personal attacks and whether in doing so makes you "low and schoolgirlish" (yes I will keep an eye on every tie you do so from here on in if you say to the contrary and raise it up for you to hoist you back up on a moral high horse if you do) and whether someone insulting you in such a manner is "admirable",
You could do this next post along with that members to be excluded from any argument list. Best that we are all on the same page here wouldn't you think?
Shall it go with your list of what is and isn't acceptable behaviour? (ie; as the topic of your thread suggests that Kit's behaviour is untoward and she should back up her words and every insult?)
Once again....your diversionary tactics don't work.
A man who defends a woman with honest and sincere intentions, does not deserve to be called a fat cunt, insulted that because he is fat doesn't mean he can relate to being pregnant, unemployed etc etc. You lowered yourself. Totally.
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As to your second point and being that Phlex is obviously a large part of my life and know my innermost workings and that of my ex-wife...oh...wait on. You see the problem here? But he sees how I relate to women generally in my everyday...oh...damn. There is a point there somewhere about how he has some understanding of something. What was it? "previous example of how he felt you treated women with disgregard previously" (that was you wasn't it?) You believe that he is some kind of a decent judge on these things or something? Am I close?
I did post a lot of stuff before Kit did. I think it back my point reasonably well and I don't think it was too heavy-handed or brutal and I think she responded well enough. Where the foul is I still can not see. As I said with my posted reply to Callaway.
Your post reads to me as if you did know him IRL.
BTW I am "shocked by HIS arrogance" and his low view of Kit and her ability to defend a viewpoint, because she is Kit "we are talking about" or because she is pregnant. I find it insulting.
And he was shocked by YOUR arrogance. Get it now?
BTW I am "shocked by HIS arrogance" and his low view of Kit and her ability to defend a viewpoint, because she is Kit "we are talking about" or because she is pregnant. I find it insulting.
I'm going to take this to another level because YOU are trying to imply that Phlexor insinuated a pregnant women is somehow 'inferior' (or insert whatever term you wish to mean 'pregnant women are strong and capable')
Firstly. Kit has already admitted that she can become quite upset and obsess on internet dramas anyway. Why throw a red flag to a bull, when she doesn't need that shit in her life whilst pregnant and has problems ignoring it?
Or maybe Les, you are so obsessed, that yes, even though this site is all about backing words, that sometimes it really IS best to bite your tongue for the wellbeing of a member.
Secondly, it is clear she did not tell people she was pregnant straight away. What does that mean? She wanted to be sure the baby was certain, she didn't want special treatment, not sure...it's surely better to err on the side of caution though because she's had a difficult time with pregnancy before, and Phlexor was trying to bring your attention to that.
And just in case you and your supporters are so sure that Kit could take it, I suggest you read the posts here, and in particular Kit's;
http://www.intensitysquared.com/index.php/topic,14835.new.html#new
"Get it now?". No not really because arrogant or not I would not have used it as an excuse for a lowball personal attack, so no.
I am insinuating that with Phlex bringing up her pregnancy as a precursor for not calling out a member AND him mentioning that "it is Kit we are talking about". Neither of which I say is a precursor to not.
But perhaps you can make a list of all members on Intensity that we are never allowed to argue with. I will start it for you
KIT.....
It is never best to bite your tongue from lowball personal attacks. Never. Don't try to convince me otherwise. Saint Phlexor copped what he deserved and no less.
She stated categorically that she did not want special treatment so let's not err on the side of caution what ever that means.
Furthermore let's say that whilst I haven't read the thread you posted and won't as you are trying to being it up as something I ought to have known and acted on after the case I can tell you categorically that I have seen her say a number of times things to the effect (Some posted in this thread) that she does love gossip, She does love drama and she hates people that run from arguments and don't back their claim.
But hey that is me out the way.
You still haven't explained your position on whether you should defend yourself from personal attacks and whether in doing so makes you "low and schoolgirlish" (yes I will keep an eye on every tie you do so from here on in if you say to the contrary and raise it up for you to hoist you back up on a moral high horse if you do) and whether someone insulting you in such a manner is "admirable",
You could do this next post along with that members to be excluded from any argument list. Best that we are all on the same page here wouldn't you think?
Shall it go with your list of what is and isn't acceptable behaviour? (ie; as the topic of your thread suggests that Kit's behaviour is untoward and she should back up her words and every insult?) [/quote}
Yes tell us what is not acceptable on I2 with long standing members I implore you
Once again....your diversionary tactics don't work.
Not at all. I can't see where you are coming to and the questions I ask seem like it would give us all a god basis for Intensity squared code of conduct from a moral stalwart like yourself. You know these things and these are what you are basing these values on so again. Kit....who else ought we never argue with AND are you saying that we ought not react to lowball personal insults? Easy Eclair and that is what you are suggesting and so let's have at it. Share your morality with me.
A man that makes a lowball personal insult to another, does deserves to be called a fat cunt, even if he is insulted because he is fat doesn't mean he can relate to being pregnant, unemployed etc etc. He lowered himself. Totally.
^^^^ This makes perfect sense to me.
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^ Can you stop inserting quotes with my username against them that I did not make?
It's the second time you've done it.
Thanks.
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^ Can you stop inserting quotes with my username against them that I did not make?
It's the second time you've done it.
Thanks.
As much as I would love to I think it actually reads better the way I modified.
Do you a deal though I will not do this if you come up with the list of names of people that are excluded. I will then put it on vote and then ask Odeon to put these people into a special I2 user group) and also answer that one question without beating around the bush (and explain that one too because as I say I don't get the mentality that ANYONE under ANY circumstance should - and goes double for members on I2 - insult you personally without you having the right of return fire).
I think this is more than fair.
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^ Can you stop inserting quotes with my username against them that I did not make?
It's the second time you've done it.
Thanks.
As much as I would love to I think it actually reads better the way I modified.
Do you a deal though I will not do this if you come up with the list of names of people that are excluded. I will then put it on vote and then ask Odeon to put these people into a special I2 user group) and also answer that one question without beating around the bush (and explain that one too because as I say I don't get the mentality that ANYONE under ANY circumstance should - and goes double for members on I2 - insult you personally without you having the right of return fire).
I think this is more than fair.
::) There is no deal. Phlexor was trying to bring something to your attention out of genuine concern. He backed his words about your behaviour and you didn't like it.
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^ Can you stop inserting quotes with my username against them that I did not make?
It's the second time you've done it.
Thanks.
As much as I would love to I think it actually reads better the way I modified.
Do you a deal though I will not do this if you come up with the list of names of people that are excluded. I will then put it on vote and then ask Odeon to put these people into a special I2 user group) and also answer that one question without beating around the bush (and explain that one too because as I say I don't get the mentality that ANYONE under ANY circumstance should - and goes double for members on I2 - insult you personally without you having the right of return fire).
I think this is more than fair.
::) There is no deal. Phlexor was trying to bring something to your attention out of genuine concern. He backed his words about your behaviour and you didn't like it.
No go then Eclair.
Phlexor was not bringing something to my attention. Saint Phlexor was making personal attacks and Saint Phlexor copped one back. This is Intensity Squared. He would have expected it and he got it. No foul and I still don't see your point.
Unless you have a code of conduct that Intensian's ought to abide by that they ought to accept personal insults then I say your point is not a strong one. I will keep a good eye on you reacting to personal insult in the future though and be happy to bring up this glaring inconsistency with your morality so you keep your highly vaunted morality in check. Hope you don't take any offense when I do.
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^ Can you stop inserting quotes with my username against them that I did not make?
It's the second time you've done it.
Thanks.
As much as I would love to I think it actually reads better the way I modified.
Do you a deal though I will not do this if you come up with the list of names of people that are excluded. I will then put it on vote and then ask Odeon to put these people into a special I2 user group) and also answer that one question without beating around the bush (and explain that one too because as I say I don't get the mentality that ANYONE under ANY circumstance should - and goes double for members on I2 - insult you personally without you having the right of return fire).
I think this is more than fair.
::) There is no deal. Phlexor was trying to bring something to your attention out of genuine concern. He backed his words about your behaviour and you didn't like it.
No go then Eclair.
Phlexor was not bringing something to my attention. Saint Phlexor was making personal attacks and Saint Phlexor copped one back. This is Intensity Squared. He would have expected it and he got it. No foul and I still don't see your point.
Unless you have a code of conduct that Intensian's ought to abide by that they ought to accept personal insults then I say your point is not a strong one. I will keep a good eye on you reacting to personal insult in the future though and be happy to bring up this glaring inconsistency with your morality so you keep your highly vaunted morality in check. Hope you don't take any offense when I do.
Dear Pot,
You seem to have a particular code of conduct yourself, hence why you called Kit out originally. She obviously didn't meet your high standards of internet etiquette / code of conduct and you were calling her out to 'back her words and every insinuation'.
With Love,
Kettle x
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^ Can you stop inserting quotes with my username against them that I did not make?
It's the second time you've done it.
Thanks.
As much as I would love to I think it actually reads better the way I modified.
Do you a deal though I will not do this if you come up with the list of names of people that are excluded. I will then put it on vote and then ask Odeon to put these people into a special I2 user group) and also answer that one question without beating around the bush (and explain that one too because as I say I don't get the mentality that ANYONE under ANY circumstance should - and goes double for members on I2 - insult you personally without you having the right of return fire).
I think this is more than fair.
::) There is no deal. Phlexor was trying to bring something to your attention out of genuine concern. He backed his words about your behaviour and you didn't like it.
No go then Eclair.
Phlexor was not bringing something to my attention. Saint Phlexor was making personal attacks and Saint Phlexor copped one back. This is Intensity Squared. He would have expected it and he got it. No foul and I still don't see your point.
Unless you have a code of conduct that Intensian's ought to abide by that they ought to accept personal insults then I say your point is not a strong one. I will keep a good eye on you reacting to personal insult in the future though and be happy to bring up this glaring inconsistency with your morality so you keep your highly vaunted morality in check. Hope you don't take any offense when I do.
Dear Pot,
You seem to have a particular code of conduct yourself, hence why you called Kit out originally. She obviously didn't meet your high standards of internet etiquette / code of conduct and you were calling her out to 'back her words and every insinuation'.
With Love,
Kettle x
Did she though? I think despite you and Saint Phlexor wading in at this point in the game she did and she gave account of herself and under the same situation I would expect nothing less. That IS what you are saying yeah?
I did exactly what I should have done if i disagreed with something here and felt like it deserved a call-out? She as the subject of a callout did what she was supposed to do? Yeah? So Kit has done exactly what my expectations were, right? In the same instance I would do the same?
Well this all seems in line and not at all hypocritical like you trying to allude to. So you have failed in this argument too. No hypocrisy there. Now rather than try to be smart about things because you stuffed up your attempts to be. Why not stop beating around the bush?
Where does that left pot and kettle conversations to yourself?
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Dear Pot,
You seem to have a particular code of conduct yourself, hence why you called Kit out originally. She obviously didn't meet your high standards of internet etiquette / code of conduct and you were calling her out to 'back her words and every insinuation'.
With Love,
Kettle x
Did she though? I think despite you and Saint Phlexor wading in at this point in the game she did and she gave account of herself and under the same situation I would expect nothing less. That IS what you are saying yeah?
I did exactly what I should have done if i disagreed with something here and felt like it deserved a call-out? She as the subject of a callout did what she was supposed to do? Yeah? So Kit has done exactly what my expectations were, right? In the same instance I would do the same?
Well this all seems in line and not at all hypocritical like you trying to allude to. So you have failed in this argument too. No hypocrisy there. Now rather than try to be smart about things because you stuffed up your attempts to be. Why not stop beating around the bush?
Where does that left pot and kettle conversations to yourself?
Phlexor stated his thoughts at the beginning of the thread.
I then came in and saw your usual rant fest back and forth with him, which you are now trying to do with me when I merely stated, I believe that his initial intent was coming from a good place, and you just shit all over it.
Don't bother saying I'm beating around the bush. I've stated my original stance / reasoning, and despite efforts to bring you back to that track you feel you have a 'right to defend yourself' from an attack mentioning your marriage that you felt was unjust. According to YOUR standards.
Likewise, Phlexor made the comment that targetting a pregnant woman who has already had dramas falling pregnant, may be unjust according to HIS standards. And he felt an obligation to at least bring this to your attention in his efforts to 'defend' your attack on Kit.
You didn't even have the balls to acknowledge the link I posted where it is clear Kit was not in a good place. She mentions a meltdown, then Hyke so 'helpfully' informs Kit how to frame her posts and think about what she is saying. ::)
You know what is even more hypocritical...this rule about 'not attacking someone's family or children'...so when Phlexor gives you a slight nudge to wake up to yourself, she's pregnant, don't be so low...how is that so different?
Take it as far off track as you want and have a go at me. Someone called you out for a low act, and you couldn't take it when they went low also....and all you had was your schoolboy fat taunts etc to fall back on.
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Dear Pot,
You seem to have a particular code of conduct yourself, hence why you called Kit out originally. She obviously didn't meet your high standards of internet etiquette / code of conduct and you were calling her out to 'back her words and every insinuation'.
With Love,
Kettle x
Did she though? I think despite you and Saint Phlexor wading in at this point in the game she did and she gave account of herself and under the same situation I would expect nothing less. That IS what you are saying yeah?
I did exactly what I should have done if i disagreed with something here and felt like it deserved a call-out? She as the subject of a callout did what she was supposed to do? Yeah? So Kit has done exactly what my expectations were, right? In the same instance I would do the same?
Well this all seems in line and not at all hypocritical like you trying to allude to. So you have failed in this argument too. No hypocrisy there. Now rather than try to be smart about things because you stuffed up your attempts to be. Why not stop beating around the bush?
Where does that left pot and kettle conversations to yourself?
Phlexor stated his thoughts at the beginning of the thread.
I then came in and saw your usual rant fest back and forth with him, which you are now trying to do with me when I merely stated, I believe that his initial intent was coming from a good place, and you just shit all over it.
Don't bother saying I'm beating around the bush. I've stated my original stance / reasoning, and despite efforts to bring you back to that track you feel you have a 'right to defend yourself' from an attack mentioning your marriage that you felt was unjust. According to YOUR standards.
Likewise, Phlexor made the comment that targetting a pregnant woman who has already had dramas falling pregnant, may be unjust according to HIS standards. And he felt an obligation to at least bring this to your attention in his efforts to 'defend' your attack on Kit.
You didn't even have the balls to acknowledge the link I posted where it is clear Kit was not in a good place. She mentions a meltdown, then Hyke so 'helpfully' informs Kit how to frame her posts and think about what she is saying. ::)
You know what is even more hypocritical...this rule about 'not attacking someone's family or children'...so when Phlexor gives you a slight nudge to wake up to yourself, she's pregnant, don't be so low...how is that so different?
Take it as far off track as you want and have a go at me. Someone called you out for a low act, and you couldn't take it when they went low also....and all you had was your schoolboy fat taunts etc to fall back on.
Have not taken it off track at all. The "low act" defined by you and Phlexor was...me calling out Kit.
Now what is not "off-track" is verifying whether or not it is a low act?
Now based on my knowledge then and now I now the following
Kit is pregnant. I know this and any attempt I have made to see whether or not this is an exclusion to argue with her seems to be dismissed by you and Phlex as a valid reason not to call her out. Therefore - no foul - not low.
Phlex said "it is Kit we are talking about". I know this too and was aware of this and don't see this as an exclusion nor low and asking why this would exclude her has again drawn blanks - so no foul - not a low act.
Kit has said that she likes drama and so again no foul not a low act.
Kit has said that she doesn't like people running from arguments or not backing themselves. No foul. Not a low act.
Intensity squared members agree as being on this site to back their claims. I asked this of her and she obliged. No foul not a low act.
Kit has said she does not want special treatment. I agree with her sentiments. No foul not a low act.
Further to this you want me to look at some thread I likely have not seen to give me some hindsight knowledge which may or may not have influenced my decision to call her out. Being that I haven't seen nor had I at the time seen the thread it is superfluous to what we are talking about here.
So taking that out of the equation....where is the low act. I say it simply doesn't exist.
I acted in good faith in what I did and did not get brutal with Kit. I called her out and unless Kit was in some 'protected user group or I was acting on any knowledge of kit that is different from the above....no low act.
So explain to me on the basis of the above the low act.
Now let's have a look at the rest.
Regardless of the callout between me and Kit and involving me and Kit, let's look specifically at Saint Phlexor for a minute.
Regardless of what he felt or his moral righteousness he decided to get personal.
So as to Saint Phlexor vs me, he fired a personal attack and got one back. Not rocket science here to see that my retort did not come out of nowhere and it WAS deserved. Because his attack was personal and was aimed at me. All good. No foul.
You seem to think or suggest at the time that he decides to wade in there and fire off a personal shot that I should either ignore it (because it comes from a good place) or commend him for it. You have rocks in your head if you think this is right.
Anyone trying that shit for whatever reason will cop something of the same nature back at me. Call it "getting my attention" or "nudging me" or downplay it as much as you like Eclair but it was a personal attack and he got it straight back.
Yes he probably justified it to himself and felt some moral high ground. I don't give a shit. I felt it was unjustified and I reacted accordingly and I still say it was right to do so and will always be right to do so. He chose his words and the consequence for chosen words.
"You know what is even more hypocritical...this rule about 'not attacking someone's family or children'...so when Phlexor gives you a slight nudge to wake up to yourself, she's pregnant, don't be so low...how is that so different?"
Ummm...because I was not attacking Kit personally about her family? I dunno is that different? Because i had not insulted Saint Phlexor about his family? Because he wasn't giving me a nudge he was making base personalised accusations about me? Because there was nothing to "wake up from for all I explained above? Hell take your pick Eclair. I am sure in your own code of conduct you will find some moralistic hypocrisy but it makes no sense to me.
As for not having the balls? WTF? What I am saying is that giving me any knowledge AFTER the event that I was not aware about at the time doesn't make the slight difference now does it? Or does it? If so how do you figure? It would be like you telling me now I am so men to Saiint Phlexor and should have let him say whatever he damn well pleases because he has terminal Leukemia and is fixing to die next week ...don't you feel so bad now? Well no. I have no knowledge of this and could not have known and can't feel bad about not having this knowledge to act on and make different choices. (I do hope that is not the truth Saint Phlex. I hope you will be around to make a lot of retarded posts in the future)
I can take any insult thrown at me but will return it too. Always do. What you are suggesting is that I ought not have got personal. You are also saying that his getting personal is fine and mine is not. Furthermore you are saying that he ought to be excluded from being abused back.
So you are doing well here Eclair we have Kit and Saint Phlex on that protected list. Who else should we place on the list?
You are being fucking ridiculous in my honest opinion and taking things waaaayyy too seriously. Again. I expected better of both of you. This is IntensitySquared and as far as I am concerned if you are a member here you are having to back your claims. You both have been her long enough to know this. You should be prepared to back yourself and hold your own. This is not a support forum or a knitting circle. I think at some point you both have forgotten this and have blown shit out of all proportion.
I think the only think I can sensibly suggest is, to grip your shoulders really tightly, and pull with all your might, and see if you can get your head out of your arse. Fuck's sake.
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I don't really care about the whole Granatelli drama from elsewhere. I do object to what I infer as in effect, even if not written in the rules, creating a separate class of user(s) here that are not subject to having their assertions/postings challenged. Kit herself said much the same earlier so I don't see why others (Phlexor and Eclair) don't drop it. But if this subject/thread matters that much then why not keep it going? :deadhorse:
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Oh great, this has turned into eclair vs sir les from sir les vs phlexor. :popcorn:
The reason why I never told anyone I was pregnant because I had a miscarriage last time and I sure didn't want to go around telling everyone about it and then bam it happens again and I have to tell everyone again I lost the baby making myself looking like an attention seeker.
Honestly I didn't see anything I posted to argue about or back up for sir les but he somehow found a way to turn it into a argument and claim I was trying to paint a picture of him and sprout BS which I found offensive because it wasn't true, why would I lie about someone? I would never lie about anyone, not even about my worst enemies. Then all of a sudden it was about "I should also add" than what really happened on the other board. It must mean something to him while to me it means nothing. I've had these situations before where I say something and people have a reaction to it and I get all confused and never say it again but yet when others say it, they get no reaction. :/ But it has never turned into this. I've had two other situations where people got bent out of shape over what I said and it turns out the word I used has a different meaning than I thought and the reason why I used those words was because they are said to me by my family. I get called cheap and I have been told by m dad he is going to dump me off at home or at the bookstore so one day I say to a mother online good thing she checked out that daycare first before dumping her kids off and she took offense to it. I get told I'm cheap and my mom calls herself cheap and then I say it to my aunt and uncle and she sends me a letter telling me how offended she is. But it still never turned into a huge drama. But I still had to learn the hard way what "cheap" and "dump" meant. But I still say them but not to other people, only to people I know and about myself. People can't get offended what I say about myself and people who know me well won't take offense. I'd be hurt if they did took offense.
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Who wants to fuck?
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First things first: rossco's wife was the bigger cunt to him, from what I heard, so that argument is fucked from the outset. But then again, we have women's lib saying otherwise.
Secondly: the Saints got flogged by 56 points, which makes them the losers no matter what.
And I would back rossco as I have spoken to him IRL, and know all about the probs he had.
Don't doubt Phlex was trying to back Kit, but as the argument was between rossco and Kit, maybe it should have been left at that point.
Anyway, it's all fucking history now.
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^ Yep, it's fair to say it's history. I have continued to reinforce my first post, but Les, as usual prefers to write lingering essays.
When he gets no response, or not the response he hoped for, it becomes a case of he eggs on for more and then turns it into a conversation it never started out as. If a member doesn't respond, he tries to egg on for more.
Then usually ends it with a comment to the tone of 'I expected better from you' or something similar and condescending, much the same as he has done above. But when someone calls him out on his behaviour, they aren't allowed the same opinion of 'I expected better from you'.
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Do I ever do that? I think i'm pretty blunt.
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^ Yep, it's fair to say it's history. I have continued to reinforce my first post, but Les, as usual prefers to write lingering essays.
When he gets no response, or not the response he hoped for, it becomes a case of he eggs on for more and then turns it into a conversation it never started out as. If a member doesn't respond, he tries to egg on for more.
Then usually ends it with a comment to the tone of 'I expected better from you' or something similar and condescending, much the same as he has done above. But when someone calls him out on his behaviour, they aren't allowed the same opinion of 'I expected better from you'.
OK this is what was happening for me an in context to how I read it whilst on IntensitySquared (the place to back your words)
Sticky Ricky doing his usual blah about me as he is want to do and I was giving back. All good.
In comes Ki who brings up shit from another site hat no-one else knows about (except Hyke) and seems to me to add and insinuate shit (without the benefit of context) to Sticky Ricky's assumptions.
I though "Wow. Did not see that coming. More drama for Kit? OK she wants to dangle a bit of bait at me? Alright why not I will have a bite and see how she goes with this. It could be fun and I want to hear her explain how she came to that. I have never called her out and she likes people to back what they say, so I will show that what I believe she is insinuating isn't so and see how she goes about backing her viewpoint as I see it. This could get interesting. Game on" :asthing:
So I did exactly that and whilst this was underway Saint Phlexor squeezes himself sideways into the debate and decides of his own volition to call me a low cunt for doing so and condemns me for calling out a member here. Not any run of the mill member but I called out Kit. (Again no foul as I saw it. I saw no real biggie. In fact to not call her out or treat her with kid gloves or exclude her I thought a bit insulting.) All good. I for that have no issue with it except that of course it, in my opinion is stupid and worth derision.
Then he chooses to further make his point by bringing in a slur against my ex-wife. Yup. Personal attack. Now "It really on for him and gloves off. Decency be damned" Tit for Fat
In the meantime of course Kit is trying to tell me what happened on ASDR and I was contending that I knew this and that I was there and not at all interested in this as she tried to make her points about this. To be honest I was having a more interesting time in dealing with Saint Phlexor and getting him to back his words. I was trying to get Kit back to context and why she chose to say what she did in the way that she did ON HERE rather than dredging up any more Granantelli bullshit.
I found the Peanut Gallery almost universally was a big WTF? I wasn't about o go on there. It is and has always been for spectators. Hyke then started to spell things out in a Hyke way. That is to say in a way that is non-reactive, tactful and clear and concise. Around about the complete opposite as me. :D
Kit after saying that I am "all bent out of shape" by what she is on about then in a most "bent out of shape" way says how terrible a person I am for misreading her and so on. All good. I am actually (seeing how Hyke puts it across so well there and Kit completely misreads me) seeing how she goes a bit reading and comprehending what she has said.
But whilst things are simmering down with Lord Phlexor and his efforts in "keeping me in line" or whatever fail, have taken a nosedive, in comes a new element. On her moral high horse racing through deflecting logical and rationality wherever it lurks to rescue her girlfriend Saint Phlexor, comes Eclair. I was "WTF? Shit she is like a female version of Hardron in her ability to misread a situation and keep going (but I always had the impression at least Hardron meant it and just wanted to get some mileage) she is fucking crazy. OK why not I will see who else comes. Back what you say Les"
I was/am mindboggled by Eclair's ability to take a position that personal attacks ought to be taken and brush aside (on here of all places) but for some reason that made sense in an Eclair kind of way. It makes further sense to her that whilst doing this that any personal attacks I throw his way to return the favour are demonised as "low and schoolyardboyish". Further yet she backs that I (on the basis of what I know about Kit ought to not have treated her as any other IntensitySquared member. She also contends that being Saint Phlexors attacks were ("from a good place", admirable" "out of concern") that any personal attacks in light of this should not be responded to.
Now from would imagine any impartial reading this would seem that there is a real case implicit in what both Eclair and Saint Phlexor say in having a protected class of citizen on I2, who when named can be put into a new usergroup of not having to defend themselves or answer for anything they say. So far Saint Phlexor and Eclair have voiced that Kit ought to not have to be called out for anything or have to argue anything or back what she says and Eclair has given the nod for Saint Phlex in that he should be able to make personal lowball attacks unanswered.
So that is the sate of play. Anyone else want to wade in on this I am fine with it. form a line to the right and I will be here. Internet. It is a nasty business. :asthing:
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^ Yep, it's fair to say it's history. I have continued to reinforce my first post, but Les, as usual prefers to write lingering essays.
When he gets no response, or not the response he hoped for, it becomes a case of he eggs on for more and then turns it into a conversation it never started out as. If a member doesn't respond, he tries to egg on for more.
Then usually ends it with a comment to the tone of 'I expected better from you' or something similar and condescending, much the same as he has done above. But when someone calls him out on his behaviour, they aren't allowed the same opinion of 'I expected better from you'.
OK this is what was happening for me an in context to how I read it whilst on IntensitySquared (the place to back your words)
Sticky Ricky doing his usual blah about me as he is want to do and I was giving back. All good.
In comes Ki who brings up shit from another site hat no-one else knows about (except Hyke) and seems to me to add and insinuate shit (without the benefit of context) to Sticky Ricky's assumptions.
I though "Wow. Did not see that coming. More drama for Kit? OK she wants to dangle a bit of bait at me? Alright why not I will have a bite and see how she goes with this. It could be fun and I want to hear her explain how she came to that. I have never called her out and she likes people to back what they say, so I will show that what I believe she is insinuating isn't so and see how she goes about backing her viewpoint as I see it. This could get interesting. Game on" :asthing:
So I did exactly that and whilst this was underway Saint Phlexor squeezes himself sideways into the debate and decides of his own volition to call me a low cunt for doing so and condemns me for calling out a member here. Not any run of the mill member but I called out Kit. (Again no foul as I saw it. I saw no real biggie. In fact to not call her out or treat her with kid gloves or exclude her I thought a bit insulting.) All good. I for that have no issue with it except that of course it, in my opinion is stupid and worth derision.
Then he chooses to further make his point by bringing in a slur against my ex-wife. Yup. Personal attack. Now "It really on for him and gloves off. Decency be damned" Tit for Fat
In the meantime of course Kit is trying to tell me what happened on ASDR and I was contending that I knew this and that I was there and not at all interested in this as she tried to make her points about this. To be honest I was having a more interesting time in dealing with Saint Phlexor and getting him to back his words. I was trying to get Kit back to context and why she chose to say what she did in the way that she did ON HERE rather than dredging up any more Granantelli bullshit.
I found the Peanut Gallery almost universally was a big WTF? I wasn't about o go on there. It is and has always been for spectators. Hyke then started to spell things out in a Hyke way. That is to say in a way that is non-reactive, tactful and clear and concise. Around about the complete opposite as me. :D
Kit after saying that I am "all bent out of shape" by what she is on about then in a most "bent out of shape" way says how terrible a person I am for misreading her and so on. All good. I am actually (seeing how Hyke puts it across so well there and Kit completely misreads me) seeing how she goes a bit reading and comprehending what she has said.
But whilst things are simmering down with Lord Phlexor and his efforts in "keeping me in line" or whatever fail, have taken a nosedive, in comes a new element. On her moral high horse racing through deflecting logical and rationality wherever it lurks to rescue her girlfriend Saint Phlexor, comes Eclair. I was "WTF? Shit she is like a female version of Hardron in her ability to misread a situation and keep going (but I always had the impression at least Hardron meant it and just wanted to get some mileage) she is fucking crazy. OK why not I will see who else comes. Back what you say Les"
I was/am mindboggled by Eclair's ability to take a position that personal attacks ought to be taken and brush aside (on here of all places) but for some reason that made sense in an Eclair kind of way. It makes further sense to her that whilst doing this that any personal attacks I throw his way to return the favour are demonised as "low and schoolyardboyish". Further yet she backs that I (on the basis of what I know about Kit ought to not have treated her as any other IntensitySquared member. She also contends that being Saint Phlexors attacks were ("from a good place", admirable" "out of concern") that any personal attacks in light of this should not be responded to.
Now from would imagine any impartial reading this would seem that there is a real case implicit in what both Eclair and Saint Phlexor say in having a protected class of citizen on I2, who when named can be put into a new usergroup of not having to defend themselves or answer for anything they say. So far Saint Phlexor and Eclair have voiced that Kit ought to not have to be called out for anything or have to argue anything or back what she says and Eclair has given the nod for Saint Phlex in that he should be able to make personal lowball attacks unanswered.
So that is the sate of play. Anyone else want to wade in on this I am fine with it. form a line to the right and I will be here. Internet. It is a nasty business. :asthing:
Oh please, spare me. You got confronted with this;
Picking on a pregnant woman? A new low even for your Les.
http://www.intensitysquared.com/index.php/topic,9579.495.html
Get up to speed Phlexor.
Explain "even for you" and then explain "picking on".
As for her pregnancy. I chose not her pregnancy nor her words. Nor did I choose her to use them here.
So have a read. Have a think and try again mate. I am sure you have good cause to say what you did and I would like to hear it.
Yeah, but what kind of cunt has a go at a pregnant woman, you know that it isn't all fun and games being pregnant, unless the reason you aren't married anymore is because you were an oblivious cunt to your ex wife.
I think it says more about your character than hers right now. You made a choice and have to live with the fact of that's how you look towards me now.
I don't imagine you give a shit but I felt I had to say something.
"Unless the reason you aren't married anymore is because you were an oblivious cunt to your ex wife"
Shock statement, perhaps he was as shocked, as I was, that someone who should know better, in fact, didn't.
If Hyke supports your 'mission' and feels obliged to inform Kit how to word her responses, then so be it.
For me, it smacks of hypocrisy. YOU accuse Kit of driving off a member from a site, but yet, have no qualms yourself in targetting a member who you for 1. Know will be engaged in the drama 2. Have been informed it might be a good thing to back off and not bring more internet crap into their life.
Personally Les, I thought you were a grown up and above this sort of shit.
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The Granatelli BS? I hope you still aren't saying I am making it up and you just mean what he said about AS that was BS.
And you never apologized for taking my post out of context and turning it all into this. At least I already apologized for what I said earlier in this thread.
Well at least Hykes came to the rescue.
Eclair, where did sir les accuse me of driving off another member? And do you realize that was Phlexor's post you quoted?
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The Granatelli BS? I hope you still aren't saying I am making it up and you just mean what he said about AS that was BS.
And you never apologized for taking my post out of context and turning it all into this. At least I already apologized for what I said earlier in this thread.
Well at least Hykes came to the rescue.
Eclair, where did sir les accuse me of driving off another member? And do you realize that was Phlexor's post you quoted?
Yes, I DO realise it was Phexor's post, because that's the one that Les thinks Phlexor is out of line having a go at Les's insensitivity.
I believe Hyke was on Sir Les's side, and was insensitive to you as she is Les's friend, and it is clear at the beginning of the thread (at least to me) that she is supporting him.
I don't think her telling you how to compose your posts in The Peanut Gallery was helpful, but rather, if she was Les's friend, she should have contacted him and said hey, this girl has mentioned this is making her meltdown.
Either way, I've seen some pretty bad form from members who should have known better, and in the future, I will keep that in mind.
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And you never apologized for taking my post out of context and turning it all into this. At least I already apologized for what I said earlier in this thread.
Kit, I don't know if you are directing this remark to me, but if you are, I do not recall taking any of your posts out of contexts.
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"Unless the reason you aren't married anymore is because you were an oblivious cunt to your ex wife"
Shock statement, perhaps he was as shocked, as I was, that someone who should know better, in fact, didn't.
If Hyke supports your 'mission' and feels obliged to inform Kit how to word her responses, then so be it.
For me, it smacks of hypocrisy. , but yet, have no qualms yourself in targetting a member who you for 1. Know will be engaged in the drama 2. Have been informed it might be a good thing to back off and not bring more internet crap into their life.
Personally Les, I thought you were a grown up and above this sort of shit.
"YOU accuse Kit of driving off a member from a site" Pretty big assertion there Eclair. Show us this reading by all means. Never said or will say it..
Like all of this you have completely misread it and want to go off on very silly tangential argument and conjecture not actually based on the facts at hand.
Now looking at this premise and you building a case of hypocrisy on the supposition of something I never said or did, how do you figure? I want a rational answer please Eclair without you looking like you have either misread, not read or completely misunderstood or misconstrued what has been discussed here. Would hate to think that you are getting the wrong end of the stick and running with am ill thought out position. It would make you look stupid.
As I have said many times REGARDLESS of your support to Saint Phlexor here or the way you are wanting to down play what he said. A personal Attack IS a personal attack. I WILL give back to ANY personal attack. I actually think it is no problem and sits very well with me.
Again you have not explained how I was to know better, with the facts I had at my disposal not to call out or argue with Kit. Make a case for this based on what I knew, and why personal attack like this is to not be defended against and perhaps too explain what the right response is for anyone having a personal attack against them. (I am from here on in watching you close to see how you live up to the right not to defend against anyone personally attacking you. JSYK)
You can think I ought to be "above all this" as much as you like but you have yet to say exactly why there is a problem and I have given you every opportunity to explain your position.
With what I knew at the time, why were my actions low? Ought Kit or Phlex or anyone else here be barred from argument or discussion? If so why haven't you or anyone put it to Odeon that these people be in a privileged usergroup with defined I2 exclusions. If it is just something we should all magically know then assume perhaps because it is in your mind it is not instantly projected by osmosis through every other member.
Name them. I have asked that you do and you steer away from this.
It is simple. Either Kit ought to be protected and censored from any action (for whatever reason) OR she ought not. If she is then well and could set the wheels in motion to make this obvious and set up a special user group and make it so. IF NOT then don't try to defend the action as low if there was no reason not to do otherwise. It can not be both.
I really should not have to break it down for you like this. Again we are in Intensity and I would have thought walking through the door so to speak means that this is what you take on the moment you are here. So don't avoid what is put to you . Back your claims Eclair and answer what is put to you or just accept that you have no real commitment to explaining your bullshit.
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It is simple. Either Kit ought to be protected and censored from any action (for whatever reason) OR she ought not. If she is then well and could set the wheels in motion to make this obvious and set up a special user group and make it so. IF NOT then don't try to defend the action as low if there was no reason not to do otherwise. It can not be both.
This idea of a specially protected group here that does not have to answer for anything they say is why I put up this poll. http://www.intensitysquared.com/index.php/topic,14881.0.html (http://www.intensitysquared.com/index.php/topic,14881.0.html) so that the members of this site can let odeon know if they desire to create an Endangered Species List if you will.
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"you should not have to break it down for me like this"... thanks.
Please spare me.
I believe the crux of this thread from your point of view, was to call Kit out on something, I think Phlexor was right in saying you picked on the wrong person.
End of story. I'm not coming into your endless tirades and dramas Les. I'm sorry. I just think you are low right now, as Phlexor did. Your essays to try to bring me into your mind games also show me that. Apologies, but I can't be bothered.
As for your 'be prepared to back your words', I did. I back that you had nothing better to do with your time than bring a drama from another site here, for your pure entertainment, and fuck the fact that Kit probably deserved some slack at this time in her life.
If Phlexor or I are cunts for thinking that Kit might need to be left alone at this time, then I can personally live with that.
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The Granatelli BS? I hope you still aren't saying I am making it up and you just mean what he said about AS that was BS.
And you never apologized for taking my post out of context and turning it all into this. At least I already apologized for what I said earlier in this thread.
Well at least Hykes came to the rescue.
Eclair, where did sir les accuse me of driving off another member? And do you realize that was Phlexor's post you quoted?
Yes, I DO realise it was Phexor's post, because that's the one that Les thinks Phlexor is out of line having a go at Les's insensitivity.
I believe Hyke was on Sir Les's side, and was insensitive to you as she is Les's friend, and it is clear at the beginning of the thread (at least to me) that she is supporting him.
I don't think her telling you how to compose your posts in The Peanut Gallery was helpful, but rather, if she was Les's friend, she should have contacted him and said hey, this girl has mentioned this is making her meltdown.
Either way, I've seen some pretty bad form from members who should have known better, and in the future, I will keep that in mind.
Actually Les doesn't think " Phlexor is out of line having a go at Les's insensitivity" does he? What does Les actual;ly think. It has been explained to you enough time for you to understand it so perhaps post what Les actually thinks of Phlexor's post to him.
I believe you misread (or didn't - it is really hard to tell because you clearly have a weird understanding of shit) what Hyke said. Whilst I have been saying to Kit "You saying this in this context means this" and backing that I did not do or say what the inisinuation was, and Kit has been "I never insinuated anything you are being mean and are bent out of shape", in comes Hyke saying "Hey Kit just letting Les probably read you putting this phrase in here as meaning this or that", Kit in turn says "Huh? Nah they are just words and I throw them in anywhere they don't mean anything when I do", "Hyke says well actually when you place a few in a certain context this is what it can look like or insinuate"
Now read that through a few times. It is quite neutral and depending on what Kit answers to with her convo (which I am not a party to but instead an interested bystander to), It may that Kit has used words that she believes are neutral that aren't in a setting that she thinks is neutral which isn't and in a way she thought was of no consequences which again wasn't. I was not at all likely to believe she would or could get it wrong on so many levels through just not being aware. But her conversation with Hyke is certainly opening up that possibility. If that happens to be the case I will likely apologise to Kit how I got it wrong and why and all good.
So I think you can shove the on Les's side bit fair up your arse Eclair along with the she is being insensitive to Kit. In fact it is because of her sensitivity that she is exploring why Kit runs into this with other's including her own family. Hell of a thing to actually help someone understand such a problem huh? Insensitive? Yeah, jam it Eclair. She does not fight my battles and I would not expect her to so don't even go there.
I still don't think you have said about Kit melting down over this and I can't see why Hyke would tell me this. Is this common knowledge or is this another thing I ought to know through Osmosis?
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I still don't think you have said about Kit melting down over this and I can't see why Hyke would tell me this. Is this common knowledge or is this another thing I ought to know through Osmosis?
Yes...well, I sent you the link earlier in this thread where Kit says she had a meltdown. You said you didn't read it or didn't need to after the fact. So no, not osmosis, but you were alerted to the link and chose not to read about her reactions to your callout.
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"you should not have to break it down for me like this"... thanks.
Please spare me.
I believe the crux of this thread from your point of view, was to call Kit out on something, I think Phlexor was right in saying you picked on the wrong person.
End of story. I'm not coming into your endless tirades and dramas Les. I'm sorry. I just think you are low right now, as Phlexor did. Your essays to try to bring me into your mind games also show me that. Apologies, but I can't be bothered.
As for your 'be prepared to back your words', I did. I back that you had nothing better to do with your time than bring a drama from another site here, for your pure entertainment, and fuck the fact that Kit probably deserved some slack at this time in her life.
If Phlexor or I are cunts for thinking that Kit might need to be left alone at this time, then I can personally live with that.
No you really did not back anything you said.
You formed an opinion and said it ought to be so. When pushed as to why you avoided. I tried many times to say are you saying or meaning this or that and again you deflected or run from explanation.
You say that I accused Kit of chasing away a member? Nope.
You accuse Hyke of being insensitive to Kit? You don't explain that either, especially in light of what she was actually doing.
You down play that Saint Phlexor was making an attack. You don't explain why there should be one rule for him and another for me or what exactly ought I do if faced with a personal attack.
You explain little that reflects badly on you not me. I explain and take a lot of time writing said essays to back myself. You simply don't you give weird POV's and run from any in depth discussions and when faced with anything to expose some question of inconsistency you avoid or run from it or make some blanket generalised statement.
You do not back your claims.
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I still don't think you have said about Kit melting down over this and I can't see why Hyke would tell me this. Is this common knowledge or is this another thing I ought to know through Osmosis?
Yes...well, I sent you the link earlier in this thread where Kit says she had a meltdown. You said you didn't read it or didn't need to after the fact. So no, not osmosis, but you were alerted to the link and chose not to read about her reactions to your callout.
That link which I was not aware of prior to the callout that you based my decision to call her out not taking it into account? That one? The one that ought not be factored into the judgment on me being low or acting in any way unbecoming on the basis of not having this link to read and base my decision around? Was that the link that you mentioned? Just so I have the right link in mind here Eclair
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Oh LOL Eclair,
Guess I should not be writing in the peanut gallery any more. You brought me in.
First, I'm a woman who is treated more than right by Sir_Les.
Second, he can and will do his own battles, and doesn't need me for that. And he will not see this post before it is posted here.
Third, I have no issues with Kit.
So, why did I answer Kit in the peanut gallery? Because of her melting down? TBH, I read that post so quickly, that I missed the word meltdown. But, browsing AFF I saw she had a fresh thread mentioning her having problems with how people read her too. And I remembered her posting similar things before.
I do not often post on AFF. Sometimes I say hi to Pika there, or something like that, but that's it. And here on I2 I had an example of text I could use in my answer. I hope that for her it is a helpful answer. If not, so be it.
In reading her closely, I noticed that she was probably answering Skyblue with her post, though, to me, the tone would more suggest her answering Richard. So, I asked her about it. And, her answer was clear enough.
Why was I before in this thread? Clarifying something to Kit, stemming from before the call-out in that the Zach thread, and venting, because I did get very reactive in a feminist way about Phlex bringing in Kit's pregnancy. And would have been just as reactive if it was someone else calling out Kit.
There have been 6 replies while I wrote this. I am not going to read them before I hit the post button.
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"you should not have to break it down for me like this"... thanks.
Please spare me.
I believe the crux of this thread from your point of view, was to call Kit out on something, I think Phlexor was right in saying you picked on the wrong person.
End of story. I'm not coming into your endless tirades and dramas Les. I'm sorry. I just think you are low right now, as Phlexor did. Your essays to try to bring me into your mind games also show me that. Apologies, but I can't be bothered.
As for your 'be prepared to back your words', I did. I back that you had nothing better to do with your time than bring a drama from another site here, for your pure entertainment, and fuck the fact that Kit probably deserved some slack at this time in her life.
If Phlexor or I are cunts for thinking that Kit might need to be left alone at this time, then I can personally live with that.
No you really did not back anything you said.
You formed an opinion and said it ought to be so. When pushed as to why you avoided. I tried many times to say are you saying or meaning this or that and again you deflected or run from explanation.
You say that I accused Kit of chasing away a member? Nope.
You accuse Hyke of being insensitive to Kit? You don't explain that either, especially in light of what she was actually doing.
You down play that Saint Phlexor was making an attack. You don't explain why there should be one rule for him and another for me or what exactly ought I do if faced with a personal attack.
You explain little that reflects badly on you not me. I explain and take a lot of time writing said essays to back myself. You simply don't you give weird POV's and run from any in depth discussions and when faced with anything to expose some question of inconsistency you avoid or run from it or make some blanket generalised statement.
You do not back your claims.
You are right. Phlexor was wrong. Your wife did not leave you because you may have been an insensitive cunt.
She most likely left you because you talk in fucking mind game playing circles and can't take criticism, or at the very least take on board when someone says you may have made a mistake.
You can't take straight talking. You went low, Plexor called you out, told you you were an insensitive cunt and now you want to attack me for supporting that his orignal intent was to protect Kit.
I have not backed my claims? I claimed that Phlexor was perhaps well meaning with his intentions and you played schoolboy about it and then went on to attack me for daring to question that you may have been wrong also. You've proven my claims with your own behaviour.
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And here Les, just to refresh your memory is how you reacted to someone bringing your attention to the fact that you might want to think about a members situation before going on a tirade;
Picking on a pregnant woman? A new low even for your Les.
http://www.intensitysquared.com/index.php/topic,9579.495.html
Get up to speed Phlexor.
Explain "even for you" and then explain "picking on".
As for her pregnancy. I chose not her pregnancy nor her words. Nor did I choose her to use them here.
So have a read. Have a think and try again mate. I am sure you have good cause to say what you did and I would like to hear it.
You at this point can't even get the gist of a simple few sentences from Phlexor alerting you to picking on Kit without;
Explain "even for you" and then explain "picking on".
You were hell bent on a rant. Why should he have to explain SIMPLE ENGLISH?
It's no wonder he tried shock tactics about your failed marriage to snap you out of cuntsville....but no....you were too addicted to the debate and dehumanising things.
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And here Les, just to refresh your memory is how you reacted to someone bringing your attention to the fact that you might want to think about a members situation before going on a tirade;
Picking on a pregnant woman? A new low even for your Les.
http://www.intensitysquared.com/index.php/topic,9579.495.html
Get up to speed Phlexor.
Explain "even for you" and then explain "picking on".
As for her pregnancy. I chose not her pregnancy nor her words. Nor did I choose her to use them here.
So have a read. Have a think and try again mate. I am sure you have good cause to say what you did and I would like to hear it.
You at this point can't even get the gist of a simple few sentences from Phlexor alerting you to picking on Kit without;
Explain "even for you" and then explain "picking on".
You were hell bent on a rant. Why should he have to explain SIMPLE ENGLISH?
It's no wonder he tried shock tactics about your failed marriage to snap you out of cuntsville....but no....you were too addicted to the debate and dehumanising things.
I was just trying to bring to Les's attention that he may not want to look like a doucebag. I guess I was wrong. Also, I guess we all found out that Les is the sensitive type.
Oh and apparently I think certain classes of members need protecting and that I want the almost non-existent rules of Intensity to be changed to reflect this. I'm glad people told me this and I wasn't even aware of how I felt.
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And here Les, just to refresh your memory is how you reacted to someone bringing your attention to the fact that you might want to think about a members situation before going on a tirade;
Picking on a pregnant woman? A new low even for your Les.
http://www.intensitysquared.com/index.php/topic,9579.495.html
Get up to speed Phlexor.
Explain "even for you" and then explain "picking on".
As for her pregnancy. I chose not her pregnancy nor her words. Nor did I choose her to use them here.
So have a read. Have a think and try again mate. I am sure you have good cause to say what you did and I would like to hear it.
You at this point can't even get the gist of a simple few sentences from Phlexor alerting you to picking on Kit without;
Explain "even for you" and then explain "picking on".
You were hell bent on a rant. Why should he have to explain SIMPLE ENGLISH?
It's no wonder he tried shock tactics about your failed marriage to snap you out of cuntsville....but no....you were too addicted to the debate and dehumanising things.
Dehumanising? Nope we are calling out things we don't agree with and asserting our position and explaining our position and trying to justify ourselves and understand the other. Welcome to I2. You know this is what Intensity is. Yet you are taking this out of proportion and saying "Well it is fine doing this except when it isn't. Kit should not be exposed to this because of a link that you did not see and the knowledge it bore."
Phlex said i was picking on Kit and she was pregnant and in doing so was low. I wasn't and her being Kit and/or her being pregnant is obvious not a bar or exclusion to this and I called that right. When put to both of you, whilst calling it low you were not about to back that it was low for either of these reason.
"Shock tactics"? No at best he was not getting the response he wanted and thought to sink the boot in a personal attack and got it straight back. That Eclair is an at best interpretation. Again I did not see the relevance.
I actually asked him in that post back to him to explain it. He could have volunterred this link that you did AT A MUCH later stage and I would have taken it on board and based whatever on that. He didn't or even explain it. He chose instead to call me an cunt which I don't mind and THEN fire a personal attack that you endorse.
I wasn't in cuntsville. I was in a callout. I was not ranting. I was arguing and backing my claims. At what point did you blow this out of proportion and for what purpose?
As to what I did or did not do in my marriage there are two people in the world that have any real idea about the true ins and outs of my marriage and as much as it may surprise you it is not you nor Saint Phlex. Any personal shot at that is fairly ignorant and retarded.
Your efforts at playing the white knight or moral ambassador is pretty fake given what you just said. You and Saint Phlex are certainly not in a position to judge such things rationally. I never attacked Kit personally but rather what she said. In a callout which was not to do with either of you, you both have tried to question my morality whilst both taking personal shots at me. Don't try to take moral high ground or call my actions low as you have just sunk beneath my actions with your own.
Take a bow, Eclair.
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And here Les, just to refresh your memory is how you reacted to someone bringing your attention to the fact that you might want to think about a members situation before going on a tirade;
Picking on a pregnant woman? A new low even for your Les.
http://www.intensitysquared.com/index.php/topic,9579.495.html
Get up to speed Phlexor.
Explain "even for you" and then explain "picking on".
As for her pregnancy. I chose not her pregnancy nor her words. Nor did I choose her to use them here.
So have a read. Have a think and try again mate. I am sure you have good cause to say what you did and I would like to hear it.
You at this point can't even get the gist of a simple few sentences from Phlexor alerting you to picking on Kit without;
Explain "even for you" and then explain "picking on".
You were hell bent on a rant. Why should he have to explain SIMPLE ENGLISH?
It's no wonder he tried shock tactics about your failed marriage to snap you out of cuntsville....but no....you were too addicted to the debate and dehumanising things.
I was just trying to bring to Les's attention that he may not want to look like a doucebag. I guess I was wrong. Also, I guess we all found out that Les is the sensitive type.
Oh and apparently I think certain classes of members need protecting and that I want the almost non-existent rules of Intensity to be changed to reflect this. I'm glad people told me this and I wasn't even aware of how I felt.
Not at all. Had you wished to do this you would have bought your reasoning for thinking this to my attention via Pm or on forum without trying for a personal attack. You didn't even when asked to.
You chose this approach and you are reaping the benefits of doing so.
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And here Les, just to refresh your memory is how you reacted to someone bringing your attention to the fact that you might want to think about a members situation before going on a tirade;
Picking on a pregnant woman? A new low even for your Les.
http://www.intensitysquared.com/index.php/topic,9579.495.html
Get up to speed Phlexor.
Explain "even for you" and then explain "picking on".
As for her pregnancy. I chose not her pregnancy nor her words. Nor did I choose her to use them here.
So have a read. Have a think and try again mate. I am sure you have good cause to say what you did and I would like to hear it.
You at this point can't even get the gist of a simple few sentences from Phlexor alerting you to picking on Kit without;
Explain "even for you" and then explain "picking on".
You were hell bent on a rant. Why should he have to explain SIMPLE ENGLISH?
It's no wonder he tried shock tactics about your failed marriage to snap you out of cuntsville....but no....you were too addicted to the debate and dehumanising things.
I was just trying to bring to Les's attention that he may not want to look like a doucebag. I guess I was wrong. Also, I guess we all found out that Les is the sensitive type.
Oh and apparently I think certain classes of members need protecting and that I want the almost non-existent rules of Intensity to be changed to reflect this. I'm glad people told me this and I wasn't even aware of how I felt.
Not at all. Had you wished to do this you would have bought your reasoning for thinking this to my attention via Pm or on forum without trying for a personal attack. You didn't even when asked to.
You chose this approach and you are reaping the benefits of doing so.
It just doesn't suit your argument, does it. If that were the case, where was my PM from you telling me that you thought it was poor form for me to address it public rather than private?
You do realise that this makes you a hypocrite, either it's okay or not. Falling back on "he started it" as a defence for doing the same as me really isn't good enough.
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^ ha ha....well, just the fact that he's ranted and raved at you and me rather than EVEN CONSIDER, that Kit doesn't need his shit, shows his priorities.
Pretty impressive essays demonstrate the amount of time and energy he has to try to prove his point, rather than at least admit, he may have been wrong.
Yeah. Marriage wouldn't go so well :P good thing you got out Les....oops....was I being schoolgirlish there?
ps. How are the driving lessons going? You know it's best not to drive when hungover and still under the influence?
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Err, hate to interrupt but maybe a new callout thread is in order? This is more about arguing over the ethics of how/if certain users should be treated certain ways, instead of being a issue between Sir_Les and Kit now.
Just saying.
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And here Les, just to refresh your memory is how you reacted to someone bringing your attention to the fact that you might want to think about a members situation before going on a tirade;
Picking on a pregnant woman? A new low even for your Les.
http://www.intensitysquared.com/index.php/topic,9579.495.html
Get up to speed Phlexor.
Explain "even for you" and then explain "picking on".
As for her pregnancy. I chose not her pregnancy nor her words. Nor did I choose her to use them here.
So have a read. Have a think and try again mate. I am sure you have good cause to say what you did and I would like to hear it.
You at this point can't even get the gist of a simple few sentences from Phlexor alerting you to picking on Kit without;
Explain "even for you" and then explain "picking on".
You were hell bent on a rant. Why should he have to explain SIMPLE ENGLISH?
It's no wonder he tried shock tactics about your failed marriage to snap you out of cuntsville....but no....you were too addicted to the debate and dehumanising things.
I was just trying to bring to Les's attention that he may not want to look like a doucebag. I guess I was wrong. Also, I guess we all found out that Les is the sensitive type.
Oh and apparently I think certain classes of members need protecting and that I want the almost non-existent rules of Intensity to be changed to reflect this. I'm glad people told me this and I wasn't even aware of how I felt.
Not at all. Had you wished to do this you would have bought your reasoning for thinking this to my attention via Pm or on forum without trying for a personal attack. You didn't even when asked to.
You chose this approach and you are reaping the benefits of doing so.
It just doesn't suit your argument, does it. If that were the case, where was my PM from you telling me that you thought it was poor form for me to address it public rather than private?
You do realise that this makes you a hypocrite, either it's okay or not. Falling back on "he started it" as a defence for doing the same as me really isn't good enough.
Not at all. You can say what ever you like. You can say I am wrong. Call me a cunt do whatever. At no point do I consider this anything but heated banter. Attack me personally and I will come straight back at you. You should know this and ought not be surprised when I do.
If before you decided to get personal, and it was your decision to do so, you wanted to suggest your rational for wanting to "protect Kit from a callout" over reasons do do with why she ought not be "subjected to this" that had more to do generally with her being pregnant or being a woman or being Kit, then you should have explained it like I asked or PM'ed me.
You did not. You were wanting to make a statement, or pull me into line, or be a cunt or whatever. You chose instead to throw caution to the wind and make a personal attack and at that point I felt justified to give you whatever I was wanting to. At this point (and only at this point) it really did not matter what you said.
You could have done differently and you chose not to so all good I will attack you personally as you have chose to react on me and I have no issue with that.
Doesn't at all make me a hypocrite. I asked you to explain yourself you chose not to. There are choices here and you chose your actions.
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^ ha ha....well, just the fact that he's ranted and raved at you and me rather than EVEN CONSIDER, that Kit doesn't need his shit, shows his priorities.
Pretty impressive essays demonstrate the amount of time and energy he has to try to prove his point, rather than at least admit, he may have been wrong.
Yeah. Marriage wouldn't go so well :P good thing you got out Les....oops....was I being schoolgirlish there?
ps. How are the driving lessons going? You know it's best not to drive when hungover and still under the influence?
Actually the discussions between Kit and Hyke were opening up a possibility that Kit was completely oblivious to the context of certain phrases and has actually been having issues in this IRL. It was opening up the prospect of getting a lot further to examining if or why there was misunderstandings and apologies and explanations all around.
So you kow that Kit well knows that If I get something wrong and I see it, I have no issue accepting this. Ask her perhaps. I may well be in a position once I know where she was coming from in apologising here too. But it will have nothing to do with your or Phlex's actions and would have happened or not regardless.
But then adjunct to that are you two. Do you honestly think you are helping this for Kit or for my or for the discussion at large? No? D you think you have done her, yourselves or anyone else any favours? No?
Fucking morons the both of you
Marriage would not have gone well, Hungover? Driving lessons? What the fuck are you on about now?
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^ ha ha....well, just the fact that he's ranted and raved at you and me rather than EVEN CONSIDER, that Kit doesn't need his shit, shows his priorities.
Pretty impressive essays demonstrate the amount of time and energy he has to try to prove his point, rather than at least admit, he may have been wrong.
Yeah. Marriage wouldn't go so well :P good thing you got out Les....oops....was I being schoolgirlish there?
ps. How are the driving lessons going? You know it's best not to drive when hungover and still under the influence?
Actually the discussions between Kit and Hyke were opening up a possibility that Kit was completely oblivious to the context of certain phrases and has actually been having issues in this IRL. It was opening up the prospect of getting a lot further to examining if or why there was misunderstandings and apologies and explanations all around.
So you kow that Kit well knows that If I get something wrong and I see it, I have no issue accepting this. Ask her perhaps. I may well be in a position once I know where she was coming from in apologising here too. But it will have nothing to do with your or Phlex's actions and would have happened or not regardless.
But then adjunct to that are you two. Do you honestly think you are helping this for Kit or for my or for the discussion at large? No? D you think you have done her, yourselves or anyone else any favours? No?
Fucking morons the both of you
Marriage would not have gone well, Hungover? Driving lessons? What the fuck are you on about now?
"Actually the discussions between Kit and Hyke were opening up a possibility that Kit was completely oblivious to the context of certain phrases and has actually been having issues in this IRL. It was opening up the prospect of getting a lot further to examining if or why there was misunderstandings and apologies and explanations all around."
How generous of you and Hyke to explain to Kit these important things at this time in her life.
Seriously, I'm disgusted with both of you. Maybe you should know better, or maybe you both are more retarded than I thought. Pathetic.
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^ ha ha....well, just the fact that he's ranted and raved at you and me rather than EVEN CONSIDER, that Kit doesn't need his shit, shows his priorities.
Pretty impressive essays demonstrate the amount of time and energy he has to try to prove his point, rather than at least admit, he may have been wrong.
Yeah. Marriage wouldn't go so well :P good thing you got out Les....oops....was I being schoolgirlish there?
ps. How are the driving lessons going? You know it's best not to drive when hungover and still under the influence?
Actually the discussions between Kit and Hyke were opening up a possibility that Kit was completely oblivious to the context of certain phrases and has actually been having issues in this IRL. It was opening up the prospect of getting a lot further to examining if or why there was misunderstandings and apologies and explanations all around.
So you kow that Kit well knows that If I get something wrong and I see it, I have no issue accepting this. Ask her perhaps. I may well be in a position once I know where she was coming from in apologising here too. But it will have nothing to do with your or Phlex's actions and would have happened or not regardless.
But then adjunct to that are you two. Do you honestly think you are helping this for Kit or for my or for the discussion at large? No? D you think you have done her, yourselves or anyone else any favours? No?
Fucking morons the both of you
Marriage would not have gone well, Hungover? Driving lessons? What the fuck are you on about now?
What the fuck am I on about....well, exactly...just demonstrating the tangential shit that comes out of your mind equally so.
Get back to the original point...oh, that's right, you can't....because that would mean admitting that you were an opportunistic internet bitch addicted to drama at any cost.
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LEAVE KIT ALONE!!! :'(
(Despite Kit acting like a general fucktard.)
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Jesus eclair, I do think you are getting a bit paranoid about this. Fucking words on a screen.
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can someone sum up what's going on in this thread?
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can someone sum up what's going on in this thread?
Precis: Kit was called out by Sir_Les over something that involved some shit in another forum, Sir Les asked her to back up her words. Phlexor wieighed in defending Kit and calling Les a cunt, Les got stuck into Phlex, back and forth, eclair jumped in to back Phlex, argey bargey between Les, Phlex and eclair, Kit wonders WTF she started, more argey bargey, what time is it now?
That should bring you up to speed.
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Jesus eclair, I do think you are getting a bit paranoid about this. Fucking words on a screen.
Sorry if compassion is beyond your comprehension.
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Jesus eclair, I do think you are getting a bit paranoid about this. Fucking words on a screen.
Sorry if compassion is beyond your comprehension.
No, just tired of wading through 14 pages of bullshit.
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You don't have to you know.
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You don't have to you know.
Bit hard to get to just the juicy bits.
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Jesus eclair, I do think you are getting a bit paranoid about this. Fucking words on a screen.
Sorry if compassion is beyond your comprehension.
Sorry if Internet 101 is beyond your comprehension.
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Jesus eclair, I do think you are getting a bit paranoid about this. Fucking words on a screen.
Sorry if compassion is beyond your comprehension.
Sorry if Internet 101 is beyond your comprehension.
Your point? Be prepared to back your words, it's Sir Les's rule after all :police: What is 'internet 101'?
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And you never apologized for taking my post out of context and turning it all into this. At least I already apologized for what I said earlier in this thread.
Kit, I don't know if you are directing this remark to me, but if you are, I do not recall taking any of your posts out of contexts.
No, it was to sir les.
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The Granatelli BS? I hope you still aren't saying I am making it up and you just mean what he said about AS that was BS.
And you never apologized for taking my post out of context and turning it all into this. At least I already apologized for what I said earlier in this thread.
Well at least Hykes came to the rescue.
Eclair, where did sir les accuse me of driving off another member? And do you realize that was Phlexor's post you quoted?
Yes, I DO realise it was Phexor's post, because that's the one that Les thinks Phlexor is out of line having a go at Les's insensitivity.
I believe Hyke was on Sir Les's side, and was insensitive to you as she is Les's friend, and it is clear at the beginning of the thread (at least to me) that she is supporting him.
I don't think her telling you how to compose your posts in The Peanut Gallery was helpful, but rather, if she was Les's friend, she should have contacted him and said hey, this girl has mentioned this is making her meltdown.
Either way, I've seen some pretty bad form from members who should have known better, and in the future, I will keep that in mind.
I'm not surprised that she is on his side because it's common for friends and partners to side with their friends nonetheless. I saw it as she is trying to help me with my wording to prevent stuff like this in the future with anyone.
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^ ha ha....well, just the fact that he's ranted and raved at you and me rather than EVEN CONSIDER, that Kit doesn't need his shit, shows his priorities.
Pretty impressive essays demonstrate the amount of time and energy he has to try to prove his point, rather than at least admit, he may have been wrong.
Yeah. Marriage wouldn't go so well :P good thing you got out Les....oops....was I being schoolgirlish there?
ps. How are the driving lessons going? You know it's best not to drive when hungover and still under the influence?
Actually the discussions between Kit and Hyke were opening up a possibility that Kit was completely oblivious to the context of certain phrases and has actually been having issues in this IRL. It was opening up the prospect of getting a lot further to examining if or why there was misunderstandings and apologies and explanations all around.
So you kow that Kit well knows that If I get something wrong and I see it, I have no issue accepting this. Ask her perhaps. I may well be in a position once I know where she was coming from in apologising here too. But it will have nothing to do with your or Phlex's actions and would have happened or not regardless.
But then adjunct to that are you two. Do you honestly think you are helping this for Kit or for my or for the discussion at large? No? D you think you have done her, yourselves or anyone else any favours? No?
Fucking morons the both of you
Marriage would not have gone well, Hungover? Driving lessons? What the fuck are you on about now?
"Actually the discussions between Kit and Hyke were opening up a possibility that Kit was completely oblivious to the context of certain phrases and has actually been having issues in this IRL. It was opening up the prospect of getting a lot further to examining if or why there was misunderstandings and apologies and explanations all around."
How generous of you and Hyke to explain to Kit these important things at this time in her life.
Seriously, I'm disgusted with both of you. Maybe you should know better, or maybe you both are more retarded than I thought. Pathetic.
You are disgusted with me and I think you are a moron, I think we will both live.
Put in context. I did have a reason to call out Kit. Kit was either meaning something but how she put things out there or she wasn't. I wanted to both show that the insinuations were not right and find out why she made the insinuations she did and called her out to explain. My approach is, in fitting with me not very tactful and Kit was unable to see where I was coming from and I was unable to see what the hell she was saying.
Hyke, whose first language is not English could see and explain things a lot better and had seen elsewhere apparently, Kit saying that she had had issues here before an was explaining what she saw.
Hyke was and is a lot more patient and a lot less reactive and judgmental than me. It is a nice and gentle approach from things from her and so what the hell you are "disgusted about I don't fucking know.
I suspect my suggestion to pull your head out of your arse wasn't taken on board because it still seems pretty trapped.
Don't have to bother with how retarded you think we may be, you seem to be showing new levels of non-comprehension or mis-readings than I have ever seen from you to date.
As to the tangential bullshit coming out of me? No, not really.
I will say that conversions with you within the context of what is said and trying to stay rational and logical and so forth are difficult because it is like playing a game of basketball where you grab the ball and start running away of court and on to the oval with it and I have to likewise chase you up and grab it off you to bring it back in play. (Now having said this and as a specific metaphor to make a point solely to tangential tendencies, I am full prepared for you to now go off on some mindless rant how I was trying to say that my metaphor shows this is a game to me or about the fact there is no basketball and how you doubt I play basket ball or whatever and this will make my point very nicely.)
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Now. Kit I know you are trying to get my attention and I do apologise that I seem to be ignoring you. I would prefer to be one on one head to head with you but I have Tweedle-Dum and Tweedle-Dumber in the thread distracting me. Not making things much better for you or things generally.
Now in the Peanut Gallery (no I won't just go in there as I reckon it ought to be for non-contestants) you were saying that you were completely oblivious to terms like "Go Figure" and "may I add" and the effect this has in conversation (particularly) negative conversation? Is that right? I am saying words and phrases like that similar to "and we all know what he is like", words that suggest something negative or some negative conotation in context to what is said but not actually saying it?
My focus naturally has been on these two morons but I sort of got the gist that this is exactly what you are saying and that furthermore it has been an issue genwrally that you were aware of? Or have I got this completely wrong?
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Jesus eclair, I do think you are getting a bit paranoid about this. Fucking words on a screen.
Sorry if compassion is beyond your comprehension.
Sorry if Internet 101 is beyond your comprehension.
Your point? Be prepared to back your words, it's Sir Les's rule after all :police: What is 'internet 101'?
1. Don't get emotionally involved with text typed from a stranger.
2. Internet isn't serious business, so stop trying to project IRL situations onto it.
3. Nothing is sacred online.
Etc.
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Jesus eclair, I do think you are getting a bit paranoid about this. Fucking words on a screen.
Sorry if compassion is beyond your comprehension.
Sorry if Internet 101 is beyond your comprehension.
Your point? Be prepared to back your words, it's Sir Les's rule after all :police: What is 'internet 101'?
My rule? Remember this or after 3 or 4 years of you being here you never noticed? "We stand for freedom of expression, combative debate, and the generation of ideas. There are no boundaries here over what may be said, save for one rule - be prepared to back up your words. Or face the wrath of the community."
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Now. Kit I know you are trying to get my attention and I do apologise that I seem to be ignoring you. I would prefer to be one on one head to head with you but I have Tweedle-Dum and Tweedle-Dumber in the thread distracting me. Not making things much better for you or things generally.
Now in the Peanut Gallery (no I won't just go in there as I reckon it ought to be for non-contestants) you were saying that you were completely oblivious to terms like "Go Figure" and "may I add" and the effect this has in conversation (particularly) negative conversation? Is that right? I am saying words and phrases like that similar to "and we all know what he is like", words that suggest something negative or some negative conotation in context to what is said but not actually saying it?
My focus naturally has been on these two morons but I sort of got the gist that this is exactly what you are saying and that furthermore it has been an issue genwrally that you were aware of? Or have I got this completely wrong?
I found your post hard to understand tbh so bare with me.
Wait, if you have never been to that peanut thread, then how did you know what Hykes said to me?
Yes I did say I was oblivious to those terms like I was with "cheap" and "dump" because I never bothered looking them up. How many of us look up words we already know? Same as the phrases. You have not ever said words or used phrases that other people said to you and you thought you knew what they were? Then after you say them, you learn after that what people have been saying to you was an insult or they were using irony with their choice of words and you took it all literal or learned them the wrong way or the situations they said them in were different than the situation you were in when you used them? That's what happened with me regarding the words "dump" and cheap" except I wasn't getting insulted, irony was being used and my dad was talking BS when he told me my aunt and uncle were cheap so they don't travel for reunions or weddings that happen outside their home state and I took him literal. My parents still calls me cheap and my husband and it doesn't bother me but I know now to not say it to other people. Mom called me cheap in Europe though and said I was a cheapskate but I doubt she was insulting me because I was being cheap. Then there is my dad that tells me he is going to dump me off somewhere and I never took insult to it and even I have said to dump me off somewhere. But then I go saying it to a parent online about daycare and I couldn't understand why she got so bent out of shape over a compliment. Then I realized did I do it again like I did with my aunt one time about her being cheap? So I went online and asked if dump and drop meant the same thing and I learned they both have different meanings. But hey at least I never walked into a daycare saying "It's so nice parents have a place to dump their kids off at when they go to work" because just imagine how the teachers there would react? They be ignoring the sentence and be focusing on the word instead and maybe have a negative view of me than realizing what I was really trying to say based on how I used the word. I even wonder how they would react if I said that about my own child before going to work? I don't think people take offense if I say it about myself or my own kids. Maybe they would think I was making a joke? People are weird because of how they think and interpret things.
"We all know what he is like" I have used phrases like that and I mean a good thing or a bad thing but it depends on the person. If they are good people and I say to someone "well at least you know what he is like so I don't have to tell you what he is like" I mean nothing bad by it. It just saved me the time and energy telling that person about that other person. Well now I know that phrase is negative too and it's not something people just say when they think they don't have to use their time of energy to tell them about that other person since that person had already met that other person or knows that person too. So if I used that phrase on someone and someone else was talking positive about that other person, everyone would think I was putting down that person ignoring what we were all saying about that person previously because they be too focused on the phrase I used?
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Thanks Kit.
Yeah when I say I will not go there I mean in terms of I won't post in there. I will leave it to Non-contestants to post in and I will post here.
Now OK. With what you were saying, I read "and may I add" as you "adding weight" or "supporting" Sticky Ricky's position. Kind of saying I agree with what you say Richard and further more he goes around targetting scaring NT's off forums and look here is a prime example of it. "Go figure" in this context would mean "Who can figure out why the arsehole does it"
Now reading it in this light(which is precisely how I read it) is not too complimentary...or true. I set about to prove it wasn't and further called you out to explain why on Earth you would want to insinuate this. I set above putting it back in context to what happened. Truth is I don't have any issue with NT's nor seek to scare them off forums and I believe that my efforts with that dude were not because he was NT or anything but because he was a bigot and others there took the same view.
I saw you as fishing for a reaction of me and wanting a reaction and thought that you were trying to create a bit of drama and knowing that you have said previously that you like drama and people to back themselves. I thought it was all good and you wanted the debate. My efforts in getting from you the reasons for you doing this had you constantly bringing up what went on there rather than simply why you put things to me here as said above.
Unfortunately before we could really get into this too much we had the retard twin in full flurry falling over themselves to make some kind of point and doing nothing more than blowing things out of proportion and hijacking proceedings.
Fortunately Hykes at the same time got talking to you and you were able to tell her that you weren't meaning it in this way and that "Go figure" and "and may I add" you weren't using to mean...anything. Furthermore saying that this was an issue that you had run into before.
So having explained this and seeing that you were not actually meaning it to be read in this light I offer my unreserved apology for reading it like that and getting it wrong. My apologies too if you believed I was mad at you or whatever. I wasn't I thought you wanted a bit of a stoush and you obviously didn't.
Now that this is out the way it looks like I have two things to do. Read that link that Eclair posted and continue playing with the retard twins. :)
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Okay Sir Les, we're cool now. Sorry about everything.
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Okay Sir Les, we're cool now. Sorry about everything.
Likewise mate. We are spazzes we read shit wrong. That is why callouts are good.
Now where are those other fucktards?
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Okay Sir Les, we're cool now. Sorry about everything.
Likewise mate. We are spazzes we read shit wrong. That is why callouts are good.
Now where are those other fucktards?
AWWW Sweet. I feel all warm and fuzzy inside now :ghugs: :grouphug: :ghugs: :grouphug:
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Okay Sir Les, we're cool now. Sorry about everything.
Likewise mate. We are spazzes we read shit wrong. That is why callouts are good.
Now where are those other fucktards?
Thank Christ that's over. Or is it?
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Well Kit and I sorted things out. We were always going to. It was just Saint Phlex and Eclair holding the process up.
I think that they ought not clog this thread up any more with their fail.
So... http://www.intensitysquared.com/index.php/topic,14899.0.html :zoinks: