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Politics, Mature and taboo => Political Pundits => Topic started by: TheoK on June 08, 2013, 01:52:06 AM
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Well, we "knew" this, in principle, but here it is black on white: NSA collecting phone records of millions of Verizon customers daily (http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/jun/06/nsa-phone-records-verizon-court-order)
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Good politicians don't grow on trees. They have to be put up there.
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Good politicians don't grow on trees. They have to be put up there.
:agreed: :plus:
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Well, we "knew" this, in principle, but here it is black on white: NSA collecting phone records of millions of Verizon customers daily (http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/jun/06/nsa-phone-records-verizon-court-order)
What pisses me off more than this is those who say "Nothing to hide, nothing to fear", and I'm seeing on news comment sections. I'm pretty sure that very line of reasoning has been said many times in history during the advent of a tyranny. The U.S isn't immune to encroaching authoritarianism and yet they deny it's happening in face of these revelations. So while it's been known for a while, my bigger concern is the apathy and ignorance that a lot of people seem to have about it. Or at least I hope most of those comments are shills.
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It's not easy to be Winston Smith :(
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It's not easy to be Winston Smith :(
Not easy to be Gavrilo Princip or Sophie Perovskaya either. Sometimes it is necessary. Other remedies should be exhausted first.
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If this had been Bush there would everyone would be screaming for his impeachment. So far Obama has been just as bad if not worse than Bush on civil rights
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It is bush. Obama just allowed it to continue. Said they put safeguards in place.
Someone said, maybe it was Franklin, those who trade freedom for security deserve neither.
So what if there is an occasional terrorist attack. Give me my freedom.
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:agreed: :viking:
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It is bush. Obama just allowed it to continue. Said they put safeguards in place.
Someone said, maybe it was Franklin, those who trade freedom for security deserve neither.
So what if there is an occasional terrorist attack. Give me my freedom.
Obama is in his 2nd term. The Bush did it too defense is just as lame as just following orders defense.
If this had been Bush there would everyone would be screaming for his impeachment. So far Obama has been just as bad if not worse than Bush on civil rights
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Obama is a Democrat. He is also "black". Thus people think that it is OK with him doing these things.
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Justice Department Fights Release of Secret Court Opinion Finding Unconstitutional Surveillance
In the midst of revelations that the government has conducted extensive top-secret surveillance operations to collect domestic phone records and internet communications, the Justice Department was due to file a court motion Friday in its effort to keep secret an 86-page court opinion that determined that the government had violated the spirit of federal surveillance laws and engaged in unconstitutional spying.
This important case—all the more relevant in the wake of this week's disclosures—was triggered after Sen. Ron Wyden (D-Ore.), a member of the Senate intelligence committee, started crying foul in 2011 about US government snooping.
Link (http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2013/06/justice-department-electronic-frontier-foundation-fisa-court-opinion)
Bush may have started it Obama continued it and when it gets called unconstitutional they try to block release of the ruling.
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It is bush. Obama just allowed it to continue. Said they put safeguards in place.
Someone said, maybe it was Franklin, those who trade freedom for security deserve neither.
So what if there is an occasional terrorist attack. Give me my freedom.
Obama is in his 2nd term. The Bush did it too defense is just as lame as just following orders defense.
If this had been Bush there would everyone would be screaming for his impeachment. So far Obama has been just as bad if not worse than Bush on civil rights
i was simply replying to,parts suggestion that if bush did it people would be calling for an impeachment. Bust did do it. He also started it.
Also, bust started illegal wiretapping of American citizens. When it came to light the republican controlled congress simply changed the law.
Lots of things became standard under bush and is still common under Obama...though the evidence points to these actions no longer being illegal.
If you read my post, I suggested that I would rather have freedom over security. I wasn't condoning it. Just answering a claim.
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Obama is a Democrat. He is also "black". Thus people think that it is OK with him doing these things.
actually I voted for Obama and I do not think this is ok. Nor is subpoenaing records and sources from the AP. lots of anti liberty shit going on that I'm not pleased with.
However, these things become necessary before people get off their comfortable asses and do something about it.
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I too hoped he would be better than his predecessor but have been disappointed. I do hope this will get people off their asses and push for change.
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If this had been Bush there would everyone would be screaming for his impeachment. So far Obama has been just as bad if not worse than Bush on civil rights
Agreed, much worse actually because he flat out lied about putting an end to these programs and in fact expanded upon them in secret. So much for transparency. ::)
Obama is a Democrat. He is also "black". Thus people think that it is OK with him doing these things.
Heh, that logic only works so far before even Obama's loyal followers start smelling the bullshit.
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If this had been Bush there would everyone would be screaming for his impeachment. So far Obama has been just as bad if not worse than Bush on civil rights
Agreed, much worse actually because he flat out lied about putting an end to these programs and in fact expanded upon them in secret. So much for transparency. ::)
Obama is a Democrat. He is also "black". Thus people think that it is OK with him doing these things.
Heh, that logic only works so far before even Obama's loyal followers start smelling the bullshit.
The link I posted about the justice department blocking the court finding is from Mother Jones a very left wing site
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is this apart of the patriot act? that's one stupid ass piece of legislation right there. Obama is no different than any other politician, a liar. first and formost he made a bunch of promises like closing down that jail in cuba, is it closed? nope. granted I think he has done some good things. like end DADT, and I guess anyone who steps into office is going to play the part. I also agree its time to stop blaming bush. every president is going to act like dis
I'm happy I don't have a service provider. with all of my info, I'm on a pay as you go plan so nobody has my name, adresss etc.
Although the government already has my name, and personal info so I wouldn't be upset about this even if I was on verisons phone plan
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Tis is why I feel that 911 was an inside job. Just a ruse to steal our liberties.
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It is bush. Obama just allowed it to continue. Said they put safeguards in place.
Someone said, maybe it was Franklin, those who trade freedom for security deserve neither.
So what if there is an occasional terrorist attack. Give me my freedom.
Deserve neither and will lose both. If I truly thought this stuff would make us more safe I'd be less opposed. All it does is give a corrupt government a tighter hold on us.
There will always be the occasional terrorist attack.
Obama's approval ratings actually aren't that stellar, at the moment. http://www.usnews.com/opinion/blogs/lara-brown/2013/05/22/democrats-should-be-more-worried-about-obamas-scandals (http://www.usnews.com/opinion/blogs/lara-brown/2013/05/22/democrats-should-be-more-worried-about-obamas-scandals)
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Nah, my fellow Swede, also known as the owner of the board, says that you shall have confidence in the State. The State is your friend ;)
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Tis is why I feel that 911 was an inside job. Just a ruse to steal our liberties.
I don't know if I think it was an inside job, but I do agree that it was most conveinant to use it to steal away our liberties
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We will conveniently have random attacks on American soil and they will be called terror. They will serve as a stark reminder that we indeed need protecting. And the government will gladly put salve on our open sores of fear and loathing.
-me (just now)
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We will conveniently have random attacks on American soil and they will be called terror. They will serve as a stark reminder that we indeed need protecting. And the government will gladly put salve on our open sores of fear and loathing.
-me (just now)
Well, some people, no one mentioned, defend this monster called "the state" - because the fundamental wrong is in the state. It is fundamentally perverted.
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Anything people are involved in is corrupted. you can't escape it, unless you want to go live in a cave and be miserable.
Its best to deal with whatever your faced with as best you can, that way you can enjoy your own life
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Anything people are involved in is corrupted. you can't escape it, unless you want to go live in a cave and be miserable.
Its best to deal with whatever your faced with as best you can, that way you can enjoy your own life
People have perverted minds because they live in a perverted society. In this society you learn to pretend to be good but act in your own interest on the expense of others.
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Anything people are involved in is corrupted. you can't escape it, unless you want to go live in a cave and be miserable.
Its best to deal with whatever your faced with as best you can, that way you can enjoy your own life
nothing about me is corrupt. Just slightly askew.
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Slighty off is just fine with me. I have been corrupted though, If I really get down and think about it.
For instance, I'm purposefully not speaking with my father to hurt him. Its true, I wish it wasn't but I find that most people when dealing with situations lose their intelligent part of the brain, and the animalistic thinking part takes over.
I do get satisfaction out of watching people squirm aswell. makes me feel good, :blonde:
I guess what I'm trying to say is ever since I lost all concepts of right and wrong, I don't really view morality the same as before.
Nothing here matters
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Everything matters.
And, if you live your life trying to do what's right then your life will be better.
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I don't equate doing "right" with success. this is a concept, tought by the morality police.
In nature, animals are brutal. and our closest relatives are some of the most brutal
we are all animals after all. not gods special creation
I'm living my life. there is no right or wrong for me
But this is just my opinion. everyone should do what works for them
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Well, we "knew" this, in principle, but here it is black on white: NSA collecting phone records of millions of Verizon customers daily (http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/jun/06/nsa-phone-records-verizon-court-order)
What pisses me off more than this is those who say "Nothing to hide, nothing to fear", and I'm seeing on news comment sections. I'm pretty sure that very line of reasoning has been said many times in history during the advent of a tyranny. The U.S isn't immune to encroaching authoritarianism and yet they deny it's happening in face of these revelations. So while it's been known for a while, my bigger concern is the apathy and ignorance that a lot of people seem to have about it. Or at least I hope most of those comments are shills.
:indeed: I, unfortunately, do not think most of those comments shills and the US is generally a brainwashed, brain-dead nation. Very few people I come in contact with understand the tyranny that is among us, what their freedom ought to mean, and the consequences that could come from being apathetic. On another note, I think tyranny is already here more than most realize, to the point the president is naught but a figurehead, a face to place the blame. He is in no more control than you or me, he just smiles prettier and makes more money.
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This has been going on since October, 2001
It was deemed illegal, so congress made it legal
Those of us that pointed to the Patriot Act as the dooming of amerika
Were told we were being un-patriotic and to shut our mouths
a quote attributed to Benjamin Franklin:
" Never give up an ounce of freedom for an ounce of security. For in the end you lose both."
So to everyone who said shut up and sit down, I can say
Told you so.
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I don't equate doing "right" with success. this is a concept, tought by the morality police.
In nature, animals are brutal. and our closest relatives are some of the most brutal
we are all animals after all. not gods special creation
I'm living my life. there is no right or wrong for me
But this is just my opinion. everyone should do what works for them
live what you percieve is right and right comes back to you.
It's do unto others. It's karma. It's you get what you give. Etc.
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This has been going on since October, 2001
It was deemed illegal, so congress made it legal
Those of us that pointed to the Patriot Act as the dooming of amerika
Were told we were being un-patriotic and to shut our mouths
a quote attributed to Benjamin Franklin:
" Never give up an ounce of freedom for an ounce of security. For in the end you lose both."
So to everyone who said shut up and sit down, I can say
Told you so.
omg. That is nearly what I wrote earlier. But better. But coherent. But in English.
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live what you percieve is right and right comes back to you.
It's do unto others. It's karma. It's you get what you give. Etc.
I don't believe in karma. the golden rule of doing unto others as you would have them do to you is good practice, but I don't think it has anything to do with karma. Its more of a self checkup of how you would want to be treated. because, if everyone in this world treated others as they do themselves, then the world would be a lot better place. some imaginary force called karma isn't going to bite you in the ass, in another words. That's how I take it anyways
I also don't believe in reaping and sowing. this is a bunch of Christian bullshit tought to unsuspecting victims to hand over their cash blindly
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Oh ye of little faith. Do you older why your luck isn't so great?
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This has been going on since October, 2001
It was deemed illegal, so congress made it legal
Those of us that pointed to the Patriot Act as the dooming of amerika
Were told we were being un-patriotic and to shut our mouths
a quote attributed to Benjamin Franklin:
" Never give up an ounce of freedom for an ounce of security. For in the end you lose both."
So to everyone who said shut up and sit down, I can say
Told you so.
omg. That is nearly what I wrote earlier. But better. But coherent. But in English.
sorry didnt bother reading your bull shit
And just wrote my own
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This has been going on since October, 2001
It was deemed illegal, so congress made it legal
Those of us that pointed to the Patriot Act as the dooming of amerika
Were told we were being un-patriotic and to shut our mouths
a quote attributed to Benjamin Franklin:
" Never give up an ounce of freedom for an ounce of security. For in the end you lose both."
So to everyone who said shut up and sit down, I can say
Told you so.
omg. That is nearly what I wrote earlier. But better. But coherent. But in English.
sorry didnt bother reading your bull shit
And just wrote my own
we're the bull shit brothers.
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When bush did the same shit, it was a high crime against humanity. Now that Obama is doing it the liberals are defending him and screaming familiar bullshit sayings.
"Think of the children."
"My safety."
"People who put free will above safety want to release pedophiles from prison." (Someone actually said that to me.)
"Ban guns/fatty foods/caffeine/tobacco/fun."
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When bush did the same shit, it was a high crime against humanity. Now that Obama is doing it the liberals are defending him and screaming familiar bullshit sayings.
"Think of the children."
"My safety."
"People who put free will above safety want to release pedophiles from prison." (Someone actually said that to me.)
"Ban guns/fatty foods/caffeine/tobacco/fun."
Obama isnt doing anything
Especially not stopping it
That would take an act of congress,
This is the NSA and Homeland doing their jobs
According to the letter of the law.
If you dont like it call your senator or congressman
It was pointed out after the passage of the Patriot Act
That the bill had not been read
In a hurry to protect amerika and gain control of the people including the criminal element who liked crashing planes into buildings
The bill was hurried into place
Blame congress and the american people for what is going on
We voted for them
We deserve what we get
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On another note, I think tyranny is already here more than most realize, to the point the president is naught but a figurehead, a face to place the blame. He is in no more control than you or me, he just smiles prettier and makes more money.
Definitely, it really doesn't matter who is voted in, it's basically two puppets, one puppeteer.
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I don't equate doing "right" with success. this is a concept, tought by the morality police.
In nature, animals are brutal. and our closest relatives are some of the most brutal
we are all animals after all. not gods special creation
I'm living my life. there is no right or wrong for me
But this is just my opinion. everyone should do what works for them
live what you percieve is right and right comes back to you.
It's do unto others. It's karma. It's you get what you give. Etc.
That's only true if you live among decent people.
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On another note, I think tyranny is already here more than most realize, to the point the president is naught but a figurehead, a face to place the blame. He is in no more control than you or me, he just smiles prettier and makes more money.
Definitely, it really doesn't matter who is voted in, it's basically two puppets, one puppeteer.
Yup, it's only a bad charade.
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I don't equate doing "right" with success. this is a concept, tought by the morality police.
In nature, animals are brutal. and our closest relatives are some of the most brutal
we are all animals after all. not gods special creation
I'm living my life. there is no right or wrong for me
But this is just my opinion. everyone should do what works for them
live what you percieve is right and right comes back to you.
It's do unto others. It's karma. It's you get what you give. Etc.
That's only true if you live among decent people.
actually, I believe it's a mind set. Give yourself a toxic mindset, then I'm sure others will read that about you. You think everybody is bad then I'm sure your mannerism give away your thoughts and others treat you accordingly.
I'm saying to change your mind. Not change other people....or your perception of them.
Live your own life right and stop judging others. You don't know what their dealing with.
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my mind is not prepaired anymore. it simply goes with the flow
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We defend our land
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We defend our land
Inb4 hurr durr drones.
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That's freaky news indeed. I'm thinking a hillbilly thought they were painting a painting similar to the mona lisa? only prettier.
:thumbdn:
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When bush did the same shit, it was a high crime against humanity. Now that Obama is doing it the liberals are defending him and screaming familiar bullshit sayings.
"Think of the children."
"My safety."
"People who put free will above safety want to release pedophiles from prison." (Someone actually said that to me.)
"Ban guns/fatty foods/caffeine/tobacco/fun."
You forgot "If it saves just one live it will all be worth it"
Once you hear that you should know there is nothing you can say to the person that will change their mind
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When bush did the same shit, it was a high crime against humanity. Now that Obama is doing it the liberals are defending him and screaming familiar bullshit sayings.
"Think of the children."
"My safety."
"People who put free will above safety want to release pedophiles from prison." (Someone actually said that to me.)
"Ban guns/fatty foods/caffeine/tobacco/fun."
You forgot "If it saves just one live it will all be worth it"
Once you hear that you should know there is nothing you can say to the person that will change their mind
perhaps you can convince them that we are over populated. But not their family, their religion, their color, their politics, etc. just the 'others'.
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When bush did the same shit, it was a high crime against humanity. Now that Obama is doing it the liberals are defending him and screaming familiar bullshit sayings.
"Think of the children."
"My safety."
"People who put free will above safety want to release pedophiles from prison." (Someone actually said that to me.)
"Ban guns/fatty foods/caffeine/tobacco/fun."
You forgot "If it saves just one live it will all be worth it"
Once you hear that you should know there is nothing you can say to the person that will change their mind
You could always tell them to move to the UK, as it seems that is what they want the US to be like.
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I heard that "save one life" on a Swedish board. What really pissed me off was that the person saying it is a judge IRL.
I: "Don't you think that there are too many freedom-infringing laws about most things in this country?"
He: "If we can save one life in a million it's worth a ban or restriction"
:facepalm2:
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I don't equate doing "right" with success. this is a concept, tought by the morality police.
In nature, animals are brutal. and our closest relatives are some of the most brutal
we are all animals after all. not gods special creation
I'm living my life. there is no right or wrong for me
But this is just my opinion. everyone should do what works for them
live what you percieve is right and right comes back to you.
It's do unto others. It's karma. It's you get what you give. Etc.
That's only true if you live among decent people.
You'll be more likely to live among decent people if you are one, yourself. Like attracts like. Though, like also *generates* like, so, in some cses, you'd have to fight the tide, or find ways of branching out and starting over. Which is admittedly a pain in the balls.
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Nah, my fellow Swede, also known as the owner of the board, says that you shall have confidence in the State. The State is your friend ;)
Tee hee.
It's not what I'm saying, mate, and you know it. Your solution is to shoot cops for being cops. Me, I don't really have one because I think there is no alternative.
Corruption is not an absolute but it is built-in. Not everyone will be corrupted--some politicians try their damnest to do a good job and I've actually met a few like that--but the system invites this kind of thing. Personal freedoms are easily overlooked when someone naïvely sees a way to fight crime for the good of the society. I think most such efforts start with good intentions.
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We will conveniently have random attacks on American soil and they will be called terror. They will serve as a stark reminder that we indeed need protecting. And the government will gladly put salve on our open sores of fear and loathing.
-me (just now)
You've had very few attacks on your soil, McJ. Surprisingly few. In the rest of the world, though, it's a different matter.
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I don't equate doing "right" with success. this is a concept, tought by the morality police.
In nature, animals are brutal. and our closest relatives are some of the most brutal
we are all animals after all. not gods special creation
I'm living my life. there is no right or wrong for me
But this is just my opinion. everyone should do what works for them
live what you percieve is right and right comes back to you.
It's do unto others. It's karma. It's you get what you give. Etc.
That's only true if you live among decent people.
Define decent.
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I heard that "save one life" on a Swedish board. What really pissed me off was that the person saying it is a judge IRL.
I: "Don't you think that there are too many freedom-infringing laws about most things in this country?"
He: "If we can save one life in a million it's worth a ban or restriction"
:facepalm2:
Just out of curiosity: how many lives would they have to save to break even?
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We will conveniently have random attacks on American soil and they will be called terror. They will serve as a stark reminder that we indeed need protecting. And the government will gladly put salve on our open sores of fear and loathing.
-me (just now)
You've had very few attacks on your soil, McJ. Surprisingly few. In the rest of the world, though, it's a different matter.
Europe is stained with blood.
The British tried and we kicked their asses to the Kuiper Belt.
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I don't equate doing "right" with success. this is a concept, tought by the morality police.
In nature, animals are brutal. and our closest relatives are some of the most brutal
we are all animals after all. not gods special creation
I'm living my life. there is no right or wrong for me
But this is just my opinion. everyone should do what works for them
live what you percieve is right and right comes back to you.
It's do unto others. It's karma. It's you get what you give. Etc.
That's only true if you live among decent people.
Define decent.
People who don't take advantage of you for being a nice person.
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I heard that "save one life" on a Swedish board. What really pissed me off was that the person saying it is a judge IRL.
I: "Don't you think that there are too many freedom-infringing laws about most things in this country?"
He: "If we can save one life in a million it's worth a ban or restriction"
:facepalm2:
Just out of curiosity: how many lives would they have to save to break even?
I don't know but many more than one in a million. More like one of thousand.
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It seems if your party is the one doing the snooping it's not all that bad :grrr:
According to a new survey from the Pew Research Center, a majority of Americans are O.K. with the National Security Agency’s surveillance program—i.e. secret tracking of phone records. Fifty-six percent think it’s “acceptable” while 41 percent think it’s “not acceptable.” That’s a slight change from seven years ago, when 51 percent said it was acceptable and 47 percent said it was not.
Those general numbers mask a large partisan shift. In 2006, when George W. Bush was president, just 37 percent of Democrats said the N.S.A. surveillance program was acceptable, while 61 percent said it was not. Now those numbers are 64 percent and 34 percent respectively.
Republicans appear to be fair-weather fans as well. In 2006, 75 percent said the program was acceptable, and 23 percent said it was not. Now 52 percent find it acceptable, and 47 percent unacceptable.
Link (http://takingnote.blogs.nytimes.com/2013/06/10/n-s-a-monitoring-and-partisan-hypocrisy/)
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It seems if your party is the one doing the snooping it's not all that bad :grrr:
According to a new survey from the Pew Research Center, a majority of Americans are O.K. with the National Security Agency’s surveillance program—i.e. secret tracking of phone records. Fifty-six percent think it’s “acceptable” while 41 percent think it’s “not acceptable.” That’s a slight change from seven years ago, when 51 percent said it was acceptable and 47 percent said it was not.
Those general numbers mask a large partisan shift. In 2006, when George W. Bush was president, just 37 percent of Democrats said the N.S.A. surveillance program was acceptable, while 61 percent said it was not. Now those numbers are 64 percent and 34 percent respectively.
Republicans appear to be fair-weather fans as well. In 2006, 75 percent said the program was acceptable, and 23 percent said it was not. Now 52 percent find it acceptable, and 47 percent unacceptable.
Link (http://takingnote.blogs.nytimes.com/2013/06/10/n-s-a-monitoring-and-partisan-hypocrisy/)
Do they expect anyone to believe that shit?
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It seems if your party is the one doing the snooping it's not all that bad :grrr:
According to a new survey from the Pew Research Center, a majority of Americans are O.K. with the National Security Agency’s surveillance program—i.e. secret tracking of phone records. Fifty-six percent think it’s “acceptable” while 41 percent think it’s “not acceptable.” That’s a slight change from seven years ago, when 51 percent said it was acceptable and 47 percent said it was not.
Those general numbers mask a large partisan shift. In 2006, when George W. Bush was president, just 37 percent of Democrats said the N.S.A. surveillance program was acceptable, while 61 percent said it was not. Now those numbers are 64 percent and 34 percent respectively.
Republicans appear to be fair-weather fans as well. In 2006, 75 percent said the program was acceptable, and 23 percent said it was not. Now 52 percent find it acceptable, and 47 percent unacceptable.
Link (http://takingnote.blogs.nytimes.com/2013/06/10/n-s-a-monitoring-and-partisan-hypocrisy/)
:o
People are sheep.
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George Orwell rotates in his grave :thumbdn:
Though I don't believe that a majority thinks it's OK. It's a lie.
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It seems if your party is the one doing the snooping it's not all that bad :grrr:
According to a new survey from the Pew Research Center, a majority of Americans are O.K. with the National Security Agency’s surveillance program—i.e. secret tracking of phone records. Fifty-six percent think it’s “acceptable” while 41 percent think it’s “not acceptable.” That’s a slight change from seven years ago, when 51 percent said it was acceptable and 47 percent said it was not.
Those general numbers mask a large partisan shift. In 2006, when George W. Bush was president, just 37 percent of Democrats said the N.S.A. surveillance program was acceptable, while 61 percent said it was not. Now those numbers are 64 percent and 34 percent respectively.
Republicans appear to be fair-weather fans as well. In 2006, 75 percent said the program was acceptable, and 23 percent said it was not. Now 52 percent find it acceptable, and 47 percent unacceptable.
Link (http://takingnote.blogs.nytimes.com/2013/06/10/n-s-a-monitoring-and-partisan-hypocrisy/)
:o
People are sheep.
Why even bother to poll us? Surely they can infer how we feel about it based on our other activity. :orly:
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George Orwell rotates in his grave :thumbdn:
Though I don't believe that a majority thinks it's OK. It's a lie.
The majority angle is likely propaganda to prey on peer pressure psychology so people come to accept it because "society" does. It also serves a secondary effect to gander a feeling of hopelessness for those who want to speak out against it.
Media: "Most people don't mind being spied on"
Apathetic person: "lol okay, I won't worry about it"
Concerned person: "What's the fucking point? It's hopeless"
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Yup. Like I've said many times before: most Americans don't understand why they have the 2nd Amendment. The scumbags rape the 4th Amendment - unpunished.
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Yup. Like I've said many times before: most Americans don't understand why they have the 2nd Amendment. The scumbags rape the 4th Amendment - unpunished.
There are certain elements that stand against this shit, and they are "enemies of the state" and "cyberterrorists".
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What can you say? Obama pulled a bait and switch tactic.
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He wasn't the first and won't be the last.
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He is nevertheless a hypocrite.
Once upon a time American presidents were actually on the side of the people, like Ike:
Eisenhower warns us of the military industrial complex. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8y06NSBBRtY#)
:viking:
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Maybe it is that politicians are getting caught more. Thanks to digital everything and the information that is readily available politicians are having a hard time not flip flopping.
I bet, back in the day, when they were making stump speeches from city to city they would tell each city what they most wanted to hear even if it conflicted with what they just said two cities ago.
Politicians are like that.
Odeon once said:
He wasn't the first and won't be the last
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I bet Eisenhower had plenty of skeletons in his closet.
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Well, yes, probably :-\
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I bet Eisenhower had plenty of skeletons in his closet.
All a quick search turned up was that he had an affair with Kay Summersby, the British former fashion model
(http://[url=http://popartmachine.com/artwork/LOC+1099723/0/%5BBust-portraits-of-Dwight-D.-Eisenhower-and-Kay-Summersby-Morgan%5D...-painting-artwork-print.jpg]http://popartmachine.com/artwork/LOC+1099723/0/%5BBust-portraits-of-Dwight-D.-Eisenhower-and-Kay-Summersby-Morgan%5D...-painting-artwork-print.jpg[/url])
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Having an affair just shows that you are a real man :viking:
Being a hypocrite like Obama, though :thumbdn:
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I bet Eisenhower had plenty of skeletons in his closet.
All a quick search turned up was that he had an affair with Kay Summersby, the British former fashion model
(http://[url=http://popartmachine.com/artwork/LOC+1099723/0/%5BBust-portraits-of-Dwight-D.-Eisenhower-and-Kay-Summersby-Morgan%5D...-painting-artwork-print.jpg]http://popartmachine.com/artwork/LOC+1099723/0/%5BBust-portraits-of-Dwight-D.-Eisenhower-and-Kay-Summersby-Morgan%5D...-painting-artwork-print.jpg[/url])
those fucking British home wreckers. :P
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Having an affair just shows that you are a real man :viking:
Being a hypocrite like Obama, though :thumbdn:
Getting a blowjob is enough to drive the country mad, but assfucking civil liberties is OK.
This is why the status quo continues.
If the average American wants to know what is wrong with this country, he need only look into a mirror.
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The news tells us what's important. What o support. What to be angry about.
I'm angry with labor unions.
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Having an affair just shows that you are a real man :viking:
Being a hypocrite like Obama, though :thumbdn:
Getting a blowjob is enough to drive the country mad, but assfucking civil liberties is OK.
This is why the status quo continues.
If the average American wants to know what is wrong with this country, he need only look into a mirror.
It's the same here. The morons are more interested in whether the princess had an appropriate dress on her wedding than the fact that we have unconstitutional suirveillance laws, infringement on freedom of speech etc etc etc.