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Start here => What's your crime? Basic Discussion => Topic started by: Eclair on August 02, 2007, 06:50:23 AM
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So, what is the problem with women here?
I've read many a thread where guys refer to women as 'gold diggers', 'manipulative' etc, etc...the derogatory remarks go on.
The final clincher for me was when Dunc accused me of 'climbing the career ladder'.
So, what's the problem with that? You guys complain when the girls are after you for one thing or the other, and when they are trying to be self sufficient, it's somehow a crime? It's OK for a guy to be proud of his job and work his way up, but if a girl isn't at home having babies or trying to juggle a few kids, it's somehow a cop out?
And of course, what would I know about stress? It seems here unless you talk about how stressful children are, or how intrusive your drug habit is, you don't know what stress is about? My addiction IS my work, so what is the problem with that? How can that be any less draining on my life than your addictions or afflictions are in yours?
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Double standard? Aggressive men are go-getters, aggressive women are bitches?
My wife makes more money than I do. Considerably more. I don't have a problem with it.
Of course I have a woman fetish...
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Of course I have a woman fetish...
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Double standard? Aggressive men are go-getters, aggressive women are bitches?
My wife makes more money than I do. Considerably more. I don't have a problem with it.
Of course I have a woman fetish...
Self-centred bitches, apparently.
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Of course I have a woman fetish...
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Well not to derail Eclair's topic... it's something my wife said. I love everything about women, they way they think, walk, talk, look, smell, feel... all women. I find almost every woman attractive in some way or another.
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Double standard? Aggressive men are go-getters, aggressive women are bitches?
My wife makes more money than I do. Considerably more. I don't have a problem with it.
Of course I have a woman fetish...
Self-centred bitches, apparently.
Having a career and trying your hardest to advance yourself in it doesn't make you self centered. It makes you successful in that aspect. Some people's priorities are different than others.
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Of course I have a woman fetish...
expound.
Well not to derail Eclair's topic... it's something my wife said. I love everything about women, they way they think, walk, talk, look, smell, feel... all women. I find almost every woman attractive in some way or another.
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Double standard? Aggressive men are go-getters, aggressive women are bitches?
My wife makes more money than I do. Considerably more. I don't have a problem with it.
Of course I have a woman fetish...
Self-centred bitches, apparently.
Having a career and trying your hardest to advance yourself in it doesn't make you self centered. It makes you successful in that aspect. Some people's priorities are different than others.
I don't have a choice. It's not a priority even, it just happens. It IS an addiction. I even had the IT guy tell me he was going to cut off my remote access if I kept working on the weekends.
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Of course I have a woman fetish...
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Well not to derail Eclair's topic... it's something my wife said. I love everything about women, they way they think, walk, talk, look, smell, feel... all women. I find almost every woman attractive in some way or another.
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Double standard? Aggressive men are go-getters, aggressive women are bitches?
My wife makes more money than I do. Considerably more. I don't have a problem with it.
Of course I have a woman fetish...
Self-centred bitches, apparently.
Having a career and trying your hardest to advance yourself in it doesn't make you self centered. It makes you successful in that aspect. Some people's priorities are different than others.
I don't have a choice. It's not a priority even, it just happens. It IS an addiction. I even had the IT guy tell me he was going to cut off my remote access if I kept working on the weekends.
Is it a problematic addiction for you?
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Of course I have a woman fetish...
expound.
Well not to derail Eclair's topic... it's something my wife said. I love everything about women, they way they think, walk, talk, look, smell, feel... all women. I find almost every woman attractive in some way or another.
???
Double standard? Aggressive men are go-getters, aggressive women are bitches?
My wife makes more money than I do. Considerably more. I don't have a problem with it.
Of course I have a woman fetish...
Self-centred bitches, apparently.
Having a career and trying your hardest to advance yourself in it doesn't make you self centered. It makes you successful in that aspect. Some people's priorities are different than others.
I don't have a choice. It's not a priority even, it just happens. It IS an addiction. I even had the IT guy tell me he was going to cut off my remote access if I kept working on the weekends.
Is it a problematic addiction for you?
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For the most part, I find it pleasurable. It is the comments and opinions of others who don't realise that to some degree it is a compulsion is disappointing.
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Of course I have a woman fetish...
expound.
Well not to derail Eclair's topic... it's something my wife said. I love everything about women, they way they think, walk, talk, look, smell, feel... all women. I find almost every woman attractive in some way or another.
???
Double standard? Aggressive men are go-getters, aggressive women are bitches?
My wife makes more money than I do. Considerably more. I don't have a problem with it.
Of course I have a woman fetish...
Self-centred bitches, apparently.
Having a career and trying your hardest to advance yourself in it doesn't make you self centered. It makes you successful in that aspect. Some people's priorities are different than others.
I don't have a choice. It's not a priority even, it just happens. It IS an addiction. I even had the IT guy tell me he was going to cut off my remote access if I kept working on the weekends.
Is it a problematic addiction for you?
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For the most part, I find it pleasurable. It is the comments and opinions of others who don't realise that to some degree it is a compulsion is disappointing.
As long as you find it pleasurable then does it matter what anyone else thinks?
Personally I've never had a problem telling people to fuck off and mind their own business.
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Of course I have a woman fetish...
expound.
Well not to derail Eclair's topic... it's something my wife said. I love everything about women, they way they think, walk, talk, look, smell, feel... all women. I find almost every woman attractive in some way or another.
???
Double standard? Aggressive men are go-getters, aggressive women are bitches?
My wife makes more money than I do. Considerably more. I don't have a problem with it.
Of course I have a woman fetish...
Self-centred bitches, apparently.
Having a career and trying your hardest to advance yourself in it doesn't make you self centered. It makes you successful in that aspect. Some people's priorities are different than others.
I don't have a choice. It's not a priority even, it just happens. It IS an addiction. I even had the IT guy tell me he was going to cut off my remote access if I kept working on the weekends.
Is it a problematic addiction for you?
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For the most part, I find it pleasurable. It is the comments and opinions of others who don't realise that to some degree it is a compulsion is disappointing.
As long as you find it pleasurable then does it matter what anyone else thinks?
Personally I've never had a problem telling people to fuck off and mind their own business.
Me neither. But you know what I mean in essence. A guy who is focussed on his work is acceptable, and building an empire. A woman who does that is somehow perceived to be empty.
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I know what you mean. It's gender roles. Boys are blue, girls are pink, etc..
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I know what you mean. It's gender roles. Boys are blue, girls are pink, etc..
I'm glad you see the point. :angel:
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I don't think there is a double standard here, people make derogatory comments towards everyone, if they went easy on the female members just because they are female that would be a double standard.
And we all have stresses in our life, no-one is claiming that there is a right kind of stress for either sex- it just seems that some want understanding for the stresses they are under whilst refusing to accept that other people's stresses can cause them just as many problems. Its all about give and take- you can't demand understanding for your difficulties if you aren't willing to accept you're not the only one that has these problems.
As for your comment about Dunc's career ladder comment I can see that you've completely misunderstood him, but I'll let him explain what he meant by that.
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All work and no play makes Jack a dull boy. That wasn't ever directed at females. You need to have some interests outside of work obviously, just to spice things up. It is really good that you love your work.
Nothing wrong with being career oriented, just don't forget to smell the roses sometimes. That can go for anyone, regardless of gender. If work is something you really enjoy, then do it by all means. I don't think I will ever find a job I will enjoy doing on the weekends, I like my free time too much. Enjoy the fruits of your labor every once in a while. I am sure you enjoy your free time.
That double standard is slowly dying, the whole career woman thing isn't really looked down upon imo like it used to be. There isn't anything wrong with you having ambition and goals.
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I don't think there is a double standard here, people make derogatory comments towards everyone, if they went easy on the female members just because they are female that would be a double standard.
And we all have stresses in our life, no-one is claiming that there is a right kind of stress for either sex- it just seems that some want understanding for the stresses they are under whilst refusing to accept that other people's stresses can cause them just as many problems. Its all about give and take- you can't demand understanding for your difficulties if you aren't willing to accept you're not the only one that has these problems.
As for your comment about Dunc's career ladder comment I can see that you've completely misunderstood him, but I'll let him explain what he meant by that.
I believe I have been understanding of other people's stresses. I don't expect to be attacked when I try to explain what some of mine are.
I doubt I've completely misunderstood Dunc's comment.
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All work and no play makes Jack a dull boy. That wasn't ever directed at females. You need to have some interests outside of work obviously, just to spice things up. It is really good that you love your work.
Nothing wrong with being career oriented, just don't forget to smell the roses sometimes. That can go for anyone, regardless of gender. If work is something you really enjoy, then do it by all means. I don't think I will ever find a job I will enjoy doing on the weekends, I like my free time too much. Enjoy the fruits of your labor every once in a while. I am sure you enjoy your free time.
That double standard is slowly dying, the whole career woman thing isn't really looked down upon imo like it used to be. There isn't anything wrong with you having ambition and goals.
I'm just talking about the narrowmindedness here, basically.
Like I'm some sort of cunt because I don't meet the standards of suffering and struggle. Perhaps because I choose not to wear my heart on my sleeve is more the point. But for that, I get creamed when I try and explain that yes, I do have dramas, I care not to elaborate on them here to heartless bastards.
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I'm just talking about the narrowmindedness here, basically.
Like I'm some sort of cunt because I don't meet the standards of suffering and struggle. Perhaps because I choose not to wear my heart on my sleeve is more the point. But for that, I get creamed when I try and explain that yes, I do have dramas, I care not to elaborate on them here to heartless bastards.
You seem pretty cold at times yourself. We all have drama and suffering in our lives, whether we want to admit it or not. I don't think everyone here is totally heartless. You don't have to elaborate, I am sure they are pretty bad problems if you bring them up in the first place.
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I doubt I've completely misunderstood Dunc's comment.
Oh, you did, despite me elaborating what I meant, after your original misinterpretation that it was reverse snobbery. my snipe about your ability to climb the career ladder was pointed at your constant wails of 'nobody understands me' and 'I'm being misinterpreted - yet this doesn't seem to have applied in the workplace to any meaningful extent. The fact that you're a woman hadn't occurred to me when I made it, considering you have all the appeal of Dame Edna.
By the way, I don't think its because you're a professional woman that people think you're a self-centred bitch. :finger:
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I doubt I've completely misunderstood Dunc's comment.
Oh, you did, despite me elaborating what I meant, after your original misinterpretation that it was reverse snobbery. my snipe about your ability to climb the career ladder was pointed at your constant wails of 'nobody understands me' and 'I'm being misinterpreted - yet this doesn't seem to have applied in the workplace to any meaningful extent. The fact that you're a woman hadn't occurred to me when I made it, considering you have all the appeal of Dame Edna.
By the way, I don't think its because you're a professional woman that people think you're a self-centred bitch. :finger:
If you can show me where, on this site, I have been a self centred bitch, then go right ahead.
I think you will find the opposite.
And no, they aren't constant wails. They cause me concern because I actually genuinely do not like to hurt other people's feelings when it's uncalled for.
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I doubt I've completely misunderstood Dunc's comment.
Oh, you did, despite me elaborating what I meant, after your original misinterpretation that it was reverse snobbery. my snipe about your ability to climb the career ladder was pointed at your constant wails of 'nobody understands me' and 'I'm being misinterpreted - yet this doesn't seem to have applied in the workplace to any meaningful extent. The fact that you're a woman hadn't occurred to me when I made it, considering you have all the appeal of Dame Edna.
By the way, I don't think its because you're a professional woman that people think you're a self-centred bitch. :finger:
Oh, I'm so offended. Try harder you fat sexually frustrated cunt. Or are you going to send your wife out to round up some boys to spice up your sex life tonight? Do I feel insulted by you. I think not.
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Those were some haymakers you just threw there. Dayum! Personal ones to boot. Why go that route and not take the high road? You know whether you are appealing or not.
You three need to have some hot makeup sex and take pictures.
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Oh? maybe I've been 'misunderstanding' the aggressive and accusative tone you adopt when people have allegedly 'misunderstood' you then. It may be a poor choice of phrasing, or blindness to other people, but from day one you struck me as the type of person I call a 'Mimi' - cos they're all me, me me, understand me, preen, preen, fawn over me, give me special attention - needy, high maintenance, the world revolves around them. and if I fail to win the hearts of others, its all their fault, the bastards - they 'misunderstood' me. :violin:
Again, I may have 'misunderstood' you. You might be a lovely person, and not at all the moody, attention seeking harridan you present as here. Nobody's perfect. :angel:
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Oh, I'm so offended. Try harder you fat sexually frustrated cunt. Or are you going to send your wife out to round up some boys to spice up your sex life tonight? Do I feel insulted by you. I think not.
Damn, its a hard life being married to a filthy-minded nympho. :smarty:
And this, from someone who started this thread bitching about people being judgmental and narrow minded? Are you attempting to have a dig at our open relationship? LOL, the fucking irony. :LMAO:
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You three need to have some hot makeup sex and take pictures.
I'll pass, mate. I wouldn't fuck her with yours. :shitfan:
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You three need to have some hot makeup sex and take pictures.
I'll pass, mate. I wouldn't fuck her with yours. :shitfan:
Ok, I wouldn't let anyone fuck someone with my dick anyways (sounds uncomfortable anyways). I prefer to do it myself. Have you seen her picture to judge whether she is fuckable or not? I guess you find her feisty personality that unattractive.
Should I take that negatively? When I hear that it is usually a negative towards both parties. Whats wrong with mine haha. I don't recall being mean to you.
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Nah, it wasn't a dig at you. I'm sure your equipment is very nice. *cough*
As for 'feisty' I'm not sure, but her personality seems unpleasant enough to make her looks completely irrelevant. Nasty always shows somewhere on the outside anyway.
I'm bored with the topic now anyway, so enough miaowing from me. Beer anyone? :beergrin:
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I would go for a beer, but sadly I am at work about to go to a staff meeting. Time to tell them my opinion on the staff productivity software they are getting pitched to buy. I don't see my boss using the shit enough to help. What kind of beer?
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Probably Red Stripe, I can't be arsed driving someplace that sells better beer. :glug: Is your boss a lover of new toys? you can hardly ever talk folk like that out of buying marginally useless crap.
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Of course I have a woman fetish...
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Well not to derail Eclair's topic... it's something my wife said. I love everything about women, they way they think, walk, talk, look, smell, feel... all women. I find almost every woman attractive in some way or another.
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Double standard? Aggressive men are go-getters, aggressive women are bitches?
My wife makes more money than I do. Considerably more. I don't have a problem with it.
Of course I have a woman fetish...
Self-centred bitches, apparently.
Having a career and trying your hardest to advance yourself in it doesn't make you self centered. It makes you successful in that aspect. Some people's priorities are different than others.
I don't have a choice. It's not a priority even, it just happens. It IS an addiction. I even had the IT guy tell me he was going to cut off my remote access if I kept working on the weekends.
Your IT guy is an asshole. My husband has problems with his IT guy too because he is a security Nazi who is focused on stupid things that don't really matter while ignoring bigger things that would matter even more. I wonder if this is a common problem with IT guys.
I think that it's great that you are so devoted to your work. I think it's great that I am so devoted to my daughter. I am so grateful that I have her and that I got to choose to stay home with her. I realize that some people don't get a choice.
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good point, callaway - it's about respecting people's choices, even if they're not the ones you'd make yourself.
personally, i'd choose to be a (well)kept woman, if i could find the bloke who'd keep me, and who didn't make me cringe. ;)
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The problem I have with women (well, some of 'em) is that they excel with psychological abuse so much that they leave me hurting for weeks and months. :/
Roses have their sharp thorns, I guess.
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The problem I have with women (well, some of 'em) is that they excel with psychological abuse so much that they leave me hurting for weeks and months. :/
Roses have their sharp thorns, I guess.
I think you've been really unlucky peaguy :'( There are plenty of people out there (of both sexes) who act like that, but there's plenty who don't, your luck will change.
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The problem I have with women (well, some of 'em) is that they excel with psychological abuse so much that they leave me hurting for weeks and months. :/
Roses have their sharp thorns, I guess.
I think you've been really unlucky peaguy :'( There are plenty of people out there (of both sexes) who act like that, but there's plenty who don't, your luck will change.
Bring on the hot sex. :evillaugh:
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>:D
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Lol, sounds like my looser x friend Eric. Get back on the horse, I mean all the the fuckn shit I get from my bitch, I get back on. I want to help her, and so I must put up with her first then enjoy my work.
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Lol, sounds like my looser x friend Eric. Get back on the horse, I mean all the the fuckn shit I get from my bitch, I get back on. I want to help her, and so I must put up with her first then enjoy my work.
First of all, you don't know me very well.
Secondly, you have the audacity to belittle me, you non-sensical retard?
Take an English class for the good of mankind.
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Jessus, have a fuckn cow!
You didnot get my message did you? He is not my x friend because of that, he because he was a judgement fuck face. His other friends seem to like me, so I just don't get it. That is not how cool people act, and its the cool ones that don't let things bother them. I don't.
English class? fuck, you don't know me well either. Internet posting is not the whole person.
Look, I am sorry if you got the wrong message.
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The problem I have with women (well, some of 'em) is that they excel with psychological abuse so much that they leave me hurting for weeks and months. :/
Roses have their sharp thorns, I guess.
I'll cop to that last line myself, but men can do it (psychological abuse) too (I've seen it). It's just that men haven't usually been socialized to be sneaky and manipulative about hurting people.
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It depends on if it is worth putting up with. To me most of the time I would rather be alone than put up with someone that is a manipulative liar. People mistake kindness for weakness and they will try to take advantage of someone who they see as kind. Those people aren't worth my time anymore. They can die for all I care. I try to help and befriend people quite often. I get shit on for doing it, they do not appreciate my help and it shows by their words and actions. If they wanted me to keep being their friend, then they wouldn't try to fuck with my head.
That is why I rarely give people the opportunity to screw me over in real life anymore. I just don't get close to them, so I have very few close friends that I can trust. I am more open online because if someone screws me over as a friend online, it doesn't matter much at all.
I meet far too many men and women who fit right with their respective stereotypes. There are very few real exceptions to the rule out there, and they are usually already taken. I am really sick of hearing decent people complain about their piece of shit significant others. I don't even feel sorry for them anymore. It isn't like they are forced to stay with them or anything.
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The problem I have with women (well, some of 'em) is that they excel with psychological abuse so much that they leave me hurting for weeks and months. :/
Roses have their sharp thorns, I guess.
Learn their psych techs and get them back them, revenge should sort all your problems.
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The problem I have with women (well, some of 'em) is that they excel with psychological abuse so much that they leave me hurting for weeks and months. :/
Roses have their sharp thorns, I guess.
Learn their psych techs and get them back them, revenge should sort all your problems.
Loser's volley!
Revenge feels good for the short term, but what you invest - you never get back. Better to grow on.
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The problem I have with women (well, some of 'em) is that they excel with psychological abuse so much that they leave me hurting for weeks and months. :/
Roses have their sharp thorns, I guess.
Learn their psych techs and get them back them, revenge should sort all your problems.
Loser's volley!
Revenge feels good for the short term, but what you invest - you never get back. Better to grow on.
You get that feeling that you have made the world a better place, in this case.
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Oh, I'm so offended. Try harder you fat sexually frustrated cunt. Or are you going to send your wife out to round up some boys to spice up your sex life tonight? Do I feel insulted by you. I think not.
Damn, its a hard life being married to a filthy-minded nympho. :smarty:
And this, from someone who started this thread bitching about people being judgmental and narrow minded? Are you attempting to have a dig at our open relationship? LOL, the fucking irony. :LMAO:
Now I hope you see my point :)
I find the career dig judgemental. That's why I brought that up, to prove my point. We have different things but they are things that we get judged for Dunc.
Calling me a whinger is just the same as me if I called your wife a whinger when the kids annoy her at the computer or you whinge about not being able to get diagnosed.
The fact is, what one person 'whinges' about is what gets them down, may be something totally different to someone else. I whinge about having to go to work sometimes, but I know I'm damn lucky to be able to get a job. PI whinges about the kids, but I bet there isn't a day she wouldn't give her life for them.
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Fuck off
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Fuck off
Who was that directed at?
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Fuck off
For God's sake, are you serious?
Just because you know pretty much, fuck all about me, you think you have the right to make a judgement about who I am as a person.
Grow up. You have NFI what my life has been like, and not even many people in my real life know either. Because the fact is, I'm not a whinger, but I have noticed how quick cunts are to make assumptions that every successful person must have had it all fall in their lap and be out of touch with reality.
That's the easy thing to assume.
Just like it's easy to judge everyone.
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Thing is Eclair- I never said you shouldn't complain about the stresses you have going on in your life. We all have our stresses, just like we all decide where we place our priorities in life- if we were all the same this place would just be another WP.
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Thing is Eclair- I never said you shouldn't complain about the stresses you have going on in your life. We all have our stresses, just like we all decide where we place our priorities in life- if we were all the same this place would just be another WP.
No, but when I am posting something in a thread that is not offensive in my mind at the time I'm posting it, it pisses me off that every single post is somehow misconstrued into something else. And that's not whinging. I just find it IMMENSELY frustrating that judgements are made on what people think my 'persona' is, therefore, my post must have been bitchy in their opiniion. And they are wrong, so fucking wrong.
Which is a load of bullshit I am completely sick of.
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Thing is Eclair- I never said you shouldn't complain about the stresses you have going on in your life. We all have our stresses, just like we all decide where we place our priorities in life- if we were all the same this place would just be another WP.
No, but when I am posting something in a thread that is not offensive in my mind at the time I'm posting it, it pisses me off that every single post is somehow misconstrued into something else. And that's not whinging. I just find it IMMENSELY frustrating that judgements are made on what people think my 'persona' is, therefore, my post must have been bitchy in their opiniion. And they are wrong, so fucking wrong.
Which is a load of bullshit I am completely sick of.
For what its worth, i dont think your posts are particuarly bitchy at all.
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But these things happen with people who have communication difficulties and difficulties reading between the lines- this is what I tried to explain before- without the emoticons it can be hard for me to tell when someone I don't know all that well is making a joke. But I've said all this before and all it got me was a 'fuck off'- this is why it seems that you want understanding for your communication problems, but don't accept that other people have them too.
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But these things happen with people who have communication difficulties and difficulties reading between the lines- this is what I tried to explain before- without the emoticons it can be hard for me to tell when someone I don't know all that well is making a joke. But I've said all this before and all it got me was a 'fuck off'- this is why it seems that you want understanding for your communication problems, but don't accept that other people have them too.
Well on that ocassion, I actually think you were pissed off at me and wanted to cause an argument so you jumped down my throat.
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But these things happen with people who have communication difficulties and difficulties reading between the lines- this is what I tried to explain before- without the emoticons it can be hard for me to tell when someone I don't know all that well is making a joke. But I've said all this before and all it got me was a 'fuck off'- this is why it seems that you want understanding for your communication problems, but don't accept that other people have them too.
Well on that ocassion, I actually think you were pissed off at me and wanted to cause an argument so you jumped down my throat.
And yet you get pissed off at other people for assuming the same about you. ::)
No, I wasn't. But no matter what I say it seems you'll make you own assumptions.
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Thing is Eclair- I never said you shouldn't complain about the stresses you have going on in your life. We all have our stresses, just like we all decide where we place our priorities in life- if we were all the same this place would just be another WP.
No, but when I am posting something in a thread that is not offensive in my mind at the time I'm posting it, it pisses me off that every single post is somehow misconstrued into something else. And that's not whinging. I just find it IMMENSELY frustrating that judgements are made on what people think my 'persona' is, therefore, my post must have been bitchy in their opiniion. And they are wrong, so fucking wrong.
Which is a load of bullshit I am completely sick of.
For what its worth, i dont think your posts are particuarly bitchy at all.
Thanks, but I think that just proves that I must come across a stuck up :-\
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Thing is Eclair- I never said you shouldn't complain about the stresses you have going on in your life. We all have our stresses, just like we all decide where we place our priorities in life- if we were all the same this place would just be another WP.
No, but when I am posting something in a thread that is not offensive in my mind at the time I'm posting it, it pisses me off that every single post is somehow misconstrued into something else. And that's not whinging. I just find it IMMENSELY frustrating that judgements are made on what people think my 'persona' is, therefore, my post must have been bitchy in their opiniion. And they are wrong, so fucking wrong.
Which is a load of bullshit I am completely sick of.
For what its worth, i dont think your posts are particuarly bitchy at all.
Thanks, but I think that just proves that I must come across a stuck up :-\
Not really, compared to some others on here, but I am not going into a naming spree.
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My addiction IS my work, so what is the problem with that?
I WISH I were that way.
Frankly, I haven't seen anyone attacking you,
but I skip over most of the exchanges filled
with short sex chatter - maybe it's in there.
I think that, from what you said, you're doing
what you want to do, it's not unhealthy, so
your world just rocks. You're in sync with this
reality, more than most people.
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Your IT guy is an asshole. My husband has problems with his IT guy too because he is a security Nazi who is focused on stupid things that don't really matter while ignoring bigger things that would matter even more. I wonder if this is a common problem with IT guys.
I got the feeling that he was being a playful jerk,
rather than a security nazi. In the latter case, he
WOULDN'T allow it.
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But these things happen with people who have communication difficulties and difficulties reading between the lines- this is what I tried to explain before- without the emoticons it can be hard for me to tell when someone I don't know all that well is making a joke. But I've said all this before and all it got me was a 'fuck off'- this is why it seems that you want understanding for your communication problems, but don't accept that other people have them too.
Well on that ocassion, I actually think you were pissed off at me and wanted to cause an argument so you jumped down my throat.
And yet you get pissed off at other people for assuming the same about you. ::)
No, I wasn't. But no matter what I say it seems you'll make you own assumptions.
Yes, but when Dunc made his comment in backing you up, it seemed to me that in reality that is what you guys think of me and all the rest of the niceties have just been false.
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Dunc got involved when you had a go at him for posting this emoticon :popcorn: - something which people do all the time when people are arguing-do you see people jumping down their throats for it? Like I said to you before- just because Dunc doesn't like you it doesn't mean that I have to share his opinion. I don't really know you enough to know if I dislike you, although I could echo your 'what you really think of me' based on recent comments you've made.
When I explained that I didn't get that you'd been joking you didn't accept that then and you don't seem willing to accept that now, so is there any point in my even bothering to help you flog this dead horse?
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Dunc got involved when you had a go at him for posting this emoticon :popcorn: - something which people do all the time when people are arguing-do you see people jumping down their throats for it? Like I said to you before- just because Dunc doesn't like you it doesn't mean that I have to share his opinion. I don't really know you enough to know if I dislike you, although I could echo your 'what you really think of me' based on recent comments you've made.
When I explained that I didn't get that you'd been joking you didn't accept that then and you don't seem willing to accept that now, so is there any point in my even bothering to help you flog this dead horse?
Since you are the ones who clearly have a problem with me, I don't have any control over when you might change your views.
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Fuck off
where did this come from?
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Since you are the ones who clearly have a problem with me, I don't have any control over when you might change your views.
The same could be said to you though- after all you're the one that brought this back up again.
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Fuck off
For God's sake, are you serious?
Just because you know pretty much, fuck all about me, you think you have the right to make a judgement about who I am as a person.
Grow up. You have NFI what my life has been like, and not even many people in my real life know either. Because the fact is, I'm not a whinger, but I have noticed how quick cunts are to make assumptions that every successful person must have had it all fall in their lap and be out of touch with reality.
That's the easy thing to assume.
Just like it's easy to judge everyone.
Uh, duh ... Hi, "Eclipse," I'm not sure where any of that crap came from, but actually, my comment was meant for Hadron and his condescending, know-it-all, stylized bullshit, which he leveled in my direction and since he seems considerately more on the ball than you, he has probably figured that out already. Since you decided to pompously intercept my returned nose-thumbing, in a totally predictable, egomaniacal display of your true colors, I will expand my comment to include you and your better-than-thou, prima dona sauce.
You say I know nothing about you and in a way that is true and on the money, since I know only what you have posted to this forum. I was ready to ignore you after our last spitting, rencontre and I've done a bang up job of it, but your continuing flag waving has caused me to look again and I may run short of politeness, soon, if we continue. So, since you seem to require that we all speak specifically to you, despite how dizzy I am from rolling my eyes, I say directly to you - fuck off, "Eclipse".
::)
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Fuck off
For God's sake, are you serious?
Just because you know pretty much, fuck all about me, you think you have the right to make a judgement about who I am as a person.
Grow up. You have NFI what my life has been like, and not even many people in my real life know either. Because the fact is, I'm not a whinger, but I have noticed how quick cunts are to make assumptions that every successful person must have had it all fall in their lap and be out of touch with reality.
That's the easy thing to assume.
Just like it's easy to judge everyone.
Uh, duh ... Hi, "Eclipse," I'm not sure where any of that crap came from, but actually, my comment was meant for Hadron and his condescending, know-it-all, stylized bullshit, which he leveled in my direction, but he seems considerately more on the ball than you and he has probably figured that out already. Since you decided to pompously intercepted my returned nose-thumbing, in a totally predictable, egomaniacal display of your true colors, I will expand my comment to include you and your better-than-thou, prima dona sauce.
You say I know nothing about you and in a way that is true and on the money, since I know only what you have posted to this forum. I was ready to ignore you after our last spitting, rencontre and I've done a bang up job of it, but your continuing flag waving has caused me to look again and I may run short of politeness, soon, if we continue. So, since you seem to require that we all speak specifically to you, despite how dizzy I am from rolling my eyes, I say directly to you - fuck off, "Eclipse".
::)
It was a good litmus test.
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Oh, I'm so offended. Try harder you fat sexually frustrated cunt. Or are you going to send your wife out to round up some boys to spice up your sex life tonight? Do I feel insulted by you. I think not.
Damn, its a hard life being married to a filthy-minded nympho. :smarty:
And this, from someone who started this thread bitching about people being judgmental and narrow minded? Are you attempting to have a dig at our open relationship? LOL, the fucking irony. :LMAO:
Now I hope you see my point :)
I find the career dig judgemental. That's why I brought that up, to prove my point. We have different things but they are things that we get judged for Dunc.
Calling me a whinger is just the same as me if I called your wife a whinger when the kids annoy her at the computer or you whinge about not being able to get diagnosed.
The fact is, what one person 'whinges' about is what gets them down, may be something totally different to someone else. I whinge about having to go to work sometimes, but I know I'm damn lucky to be able to get a job. PI whinges about the kids, but I bet there isn't a day she wouldn't give her life for them.
Oh dear. I wasn't calling you a whinger. I was calling you a hypocrite. :eyebrows: And what part of this:
my snipe about your ability to climb the career ladder was pointed at your constant wails of 'nobody understands me' and 'I'm being misinterpreted - yet this doesn't seem to have applied in the workplace to any meaningful extent.
is failing to get through your forcefield? :wallbutt:
LMAO at you screaming at DirtDawg after assuming he was referring to you. Nice one Mimi. :rofl:
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Fuck off
For God's sake, are you serious?
Just because you know pretty much, fuck all about me, you think you have the right to make a judgement about who I am as a person.
Grow up. You have NFI what my life has been like, and not even many people in my real life know either. Because the fact is, I'm not a whinger, but I have noticed how quick cunts are to make assumptions that every successful person must have had it all fall in their lap and be out of touch with reality.
That's the easy thing to assume.
Just like it's easy to judge everyone.
Uh, duh ... Hi, "Eclipse," I'm not sure where any of that crap came from, but actually, my comment was meant for Hadron and his condescending, know-it-all, stylized bullshit, which he leveled in my direction and since he seems considerately more on the ball than you, he has probably figured that out already. Since you decided to pompously intercept my returned nose-thumbing, in a totally predictable, egomaniacal display of your true colors, I will expand my comment to include you and your better-than-thou, prima dona sauce.
You say I know nothing about you and in a way that is true and on the money, since I know only what you have posted to this forum. I was ready to ignore you after our last spitting, rencontre and I've done a bang up job of it, but your continuing flag waving has caused me to look again and I may run short of politeness, soon, if we continue. So, since you seem to require that we all speak specifically to you, despite how dizzy I am from rolling my eyes, I say directly to you - fuck off, "Eclipse".
::)
in all fairness, you did post it right after one of eclairs posts. and, since, as she already stated, that she felt ganged up on by dunc and PI, i think that perhaps she had the right to get a little defensive.
now, before anybody decides to drag me into this....I AM NOT TAKING SIDES.
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Fuck off
For God's sake, are you serious?
Just because you know pretty much, fuck all about me, you think you have the right to make a judgement about who I am as a person.
Grow up. You have NFI what my life has been like, and not even many people in my real life know either. Because the fact is, I'm not a whinger, but I have noticed how quick cunts are to make assumptions that every successful person must have had it all fall in their lap and be out of touch with reality.
That's the easy thing to assume.
Just like it's easy to judge everyone.
Uh, duh ... Hi, "Eclipse," I'm not sure where any of that crap came from, but actually, my comment was meant for Hadron and his condescending, know-it-all, stylized bullshit, which he leveled in my direction and since he seems considerately more on the ball than you, he has probably figured that out already. Since you decided to pompously intercept my returned nose-thumbing, in a totally predictable, egomaniacal display of your true colors, I will expand my comment to include you and your better-than-thou, prima dona sauce.
You say I know nothing about you and in a way that is true and on the money, since I know only what you have posted to this forum. I was ready to ignore you after our last spitting, rencontre and I've done a bang up job of it, but your continuing flag waving has caused me to look again and I may run short of politeness, soon, if we continue. So, since you seem to require that we all speak specifically to you, despite how dizzy I am from rolling my eyes, I say directly to you - fuck off, "Eclipse".
::)
in all fairness, you did post it right after one of eclairs posts. and, since, as she already stated, that she felt ganged up on by dunc and PI, i think that perhaps she had the right to get a little defensive.
now, before anybody decides to drag me into this....I AM NOT TAKING SIDES.
I think the "fuck off" was a deliberately vague one and he might not have been entirely truthful about it's target, which is why it was a good litmus test... it definitely provoked a disproportionate reaction, anyway. *Steps back onto the sidelines*
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since, as she already stated, that she felt ganged up on by dunc and PI, i think that perhaps she had the right to get a little defensive.
to be honest, she brought my involvement on herself (again - the first time I only chimed in after she spat her dummy out over popcorn) - if she hadn't been rinsing the sand out of her vagina about what she thought my comment meant (despite being told she was wrong already) I would have ignored her self obsessed drivelling like I usually do. there is no gang up, except in her head. ::) So the fact that she kicked off at DD just illustrates her inflated sense of her own importance.
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*Steps back onto the sidelines*
*joins moldodor*
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Fuck off
For God's sake, are you serious?
Just because you know pretty much, fuck all about me, you think you have the right to make a judgement about who I am as a person.
Grow up. You have NFI what my life has been like, and not even many people in my real life know either. Because the fact is, I'm not a whinger, but I have noticed how quick cunts are to make assumptions that every successful person must have had it all fall in their lap and be out of touch with reality.
That's the easy thing to assume.
Just like it's easy to judge everyone.
Uh, duh ... Hi, "Eclipse," I'm not sure where any of that crap came from, but actually, my comment was meant for Hadron and his condescending, know-it-all, stylized bullshit, which he leveled in my direction and since he seems considerately more on the ball than you, he has probably figured that out already. Since you decided to pompously intercept my returned nose-thumbing, in a totally predictable, egomaniacal display of your true colors, I will expand my comment to include you and your better-than-thou, prima dona sauce.
You say I know nothing about you and in a way that is true and on the money, since I know only what you have posted to this forum. I was ready to ignore you after our last spitting, rencontre and I've done a bang up job of it, but your continuing flag waving has caused me to look again and I may run short of politeness, soon, if we continue. So, since you seem to require that we all speak specifically to you, despite how dizzy I am from rolling my eyes, I say directly to you - fuck off, "Eclipse".
::)
in all fairness, you did post it right after one of eclairs posts. and, since, as she already stated, that she felt ganged up on by dunc and PI, i think that perhaps she had the right to get a little defensive.
now, before anybody decides to drag me into this....I AM NOT TAKING SIDES.
I think the "fuck off" was a deliberately vague one and he might not have been entirely truthful about it's target, which is why it was a good litmus test... it definitely provoked a disproportionate reaction, anyway. *Steps back onto the sidelines*
Nooo.
I meant that for Hadron and I came back here, half way expecting to have to justify why I thought his comment to me was a little pissy. I had no idea that I would find the queen of the nile lobbing into my court with more self centered BS.
Hopefully, I have made it a little less vague.
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since, as she already stated, that she felt ganged up on by dunc and PI, i think that perhaps she had the right to get a little defensive.
to be honest, she brought my involvement on herself (again - the first time I only chimed in after she spat her dummy out over popcorn) - if she hadn't been rinsing the sand out of her vagina about what she thought my comment meant (despite being told she was wrong already) I would have ignored her self obsessed drivelling like I usually do. there is no gang up, except in her head. ::) So the fact that she kicked off at DD just illustrates her inflated sense of her own importance.
DITTO'ed
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Fuck off
For God's sake, are you serious?
Just because you know pretty much, fuck all about me, you think you have the right to make a judgement about who I am as a person.
Grow up. You have NFI what my life has been like, and not even many people in my real life know either. Because the fact is, I'm not a whinger, but I have noticed how quick cunts are to make assumptions that every successful person must have had it all fall in their lap and be out of touch with reality.
That's the easy thing to assume.
Just like it's easy to judge everyone.
Uh, duh ... Hi, "Eclipse," I'm not sure where any of that crap came from, but actually, my comment was meant for Hadron and his condescending, know-it-all, stylized bullshit, which he leveled in my direction and since he seems considerately more on the ball than you, he has probably figured that out already. Since you decided to pompously intercept my returned nose-thumbing, in a totally predictable, egomaniacal display of your true colors, I will expand my comment to include you and your better-than-thou, prima dona sauce.
You say I know nothing about you and in a way that is true and on the money, since I know only what you have posted to this forum. I was ready to ignore you after our last spitting, rencontre and I've done a bang up job of it, but your continuing flag waving has caused me to look again and I may run short of politeness, soon, if we continue. So, since you seem to require that we all speak specifically to you, despite how dizzy I am from rolling my eyes, I say directly to you - fuck off, "Eclipse".
::)
in all fairness, you did post it right after one of eclairs posts. and, since, as she already stated, that she felt ganged up on by dunc and PI, i think that perhaps she had the right to get a little defensive.
now, before anybody decides to drag me into this....I AM NOT TAKING SIDES.
Well, ya know, I hate to agree with you, but you may have a point. Although, Ecleopatra could have, probably easier, said fuck off in return, instead of calling me a cunt, going into another dissertation of how she is misunderstood and all.
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Well, I brought it up to try and resolve it.
It didn't resolve anything, so I'll accept that you are willing to hang on to your current opinions of me and leave it at that.
I'm not walking away from an argument, it just seems that if I discuss it, I'm a whinger,
if I ignore it, I'm walking away from dealing with the issue.
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Well, I brought it up to try and resolve it.
It didn't resolve anything, so I'll accept that you are willing to hang on to your current opinions of me and leave it at that.
I'm not walking away from an argument, it just seems that if I discuss it, I'm a whinger,
if I ignore it, I'm walking away from dealing with the issue.
Ditto- since its hard to resolve any issue if you won't listen to the other person's point of view.
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Well, I brought it up to try and resolve it.
It didn't resolve anything, so I'll accept that you are willing to hang on to your current opinions of me and leave it at that.
I'm not walking away from an argument, it just seems that if I discuss it, I'm a whinger,
if I ignore it, I'm walking away from dealing with the issue.
Ditto- since its hard to resolve any issue if you won't listen to the other person's point of view.
I have listened. I just didn't realise everyone was so determined to believe I was a bitch, when in the past when I've genuinely offered my condolences about various things, they seem to think I am sincere and caring. Now all of a sudden I'm heartless and self centred.
I'm all for mature discussion and debate, but I left high school 20 years ago.
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since, as she already stated, that she felt ganged up on by dunc and PI, i think that perhaps she had the right to get a little defensive.
to be honest, she brought my involvement on herself (again - the first time I only chimed in after she spat her dummy out over popcorn) - if she hadn't been rinsing the sand out of her vagina about what she thought my comment meant (despite being told she was wrong already) I would have ignored her self obsessed drivelling like I usually do. there is no gang up, except in her head. ::) So the fact that she kicked off at DD just illustrates her inflated sense of her own importance.
DITTO'ed
Oh, like we all don't have such?
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Well, I brought it up to try and resolve it.
It didn't resolve anything, so I'll accept that you are willing to hang on to your current opinions of me and leave it at that.
I'm not walking away from an argument, it just seems that if I discuss it, I'm a whinger,
if I ignore it, I'm walking away from dealing with the issue.
Ditto- since its hard to resolve any issue if you won't listen to the other person's point of view.
I have listened. I just didn't realise everyone was so determined to believe I was a bitch, when in the past when I've genuinely offered my condolences about various things, they seem to think I am sincere and caring. Now all of a sudden I'm heartless and self centred.
I'm all for mature discussion and debate, but I left high school 20 years ago.
Its an internet forum, unfortuantly. Its impossible for people to know whether or not people say what they mean, or how someone really is. People lie online too easily, im afraid.
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since, as she already stated, that she felt ganged up on by dunc and PI, i think that perhaps she had the right to get a little defensive.
to be honest, she brought my involvement on herself (again - the first time I only chimed in after she spat her dummy out over popcorn) - if she hadn't been rinsing the sand out of her vagina about what she thought my comment meant (despite being told she was wrong already) I would have ignored her self obsessed drivelling like I usually do. there is no gang up, except in her head. ::) So the fact that she kicked off at DD just illustrates her inflated sense of her own importance.
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Oh, like we all don't have such?
only you narcissists.
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only you narcissists.
Really? I mean, doesn't your own life
revolve around yourself, and those
you care about?
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not exclusively, no. and I don't assume the world revolves around me and everyone else does or should give a fuck about me, like someone with an inflated sense of their own importance does.
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not exclusively, no. and I don't assume the world revolves around me and everyone else does or should give a fuck about me, like someone with an inflated sense of their own importance does.
Everyone is selfish, Dunc. Some are just more blatently than others.
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not exclusively, no. and I don't assume the world revolves around me and everyone else does or should give a fuck about me, like someone with an inflated sense of their own importance does.
Everyone is selfish, Dunc. Some are just more blatently than others.
QFT.
Indeed, every ACT is selfish - or so I was once convinced.
Now, I'm not positive, but nearly every one certainly is.
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You're both missing the point. Meh. :wallbutt:
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You're both missing the point. Meh. :wallbutt:
I get the point, i just accept it, where as you want to change things in this respect. You are fighting a losing battle.
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You're both missing the point. Meh. :wallbutt:
Nah, I get your point. I'm not sure I can fathom
that someone could extend their senses beyond
themselves, and thus fully accept that there is
some external world.
I only responded to Haddycakes because I agree with
the point HE made. You were probably assuming that
we were all revolving around you, or somethin'.
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I only responded to Haddycakes because I agree with
the point HE made. You were probably assuming that
we were all revolving around you, or somethin'.
very cute. smart arse. :plus:
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Oh, I'm so offended. Try harder you fat sexually frustrated cunt. Or are you going to send your wife out to round up some boys to spice up your sex life tonight? Do I feel insulted by you. I think not.
Damn, its a hard life being married to a filthy-minded nympho. :smarty:
And this, from someone who started this thread bitching about people being judgmental and narrow minded? Are you attempting to have a dig at our open relationship? LOL, the fucking irony. :LMAO:
Now I hope you see my point :)
I find the career dig judgemental. That's why I brought that up, to prove my point. We have different things but they are things that we get judged for Dunc.
Calling me a whinger is just the same as me if I called your wife a whinger when the kids annoy her at the computer or you whinge about not being able to get diagnosed.
The fact is, what one person 'whinges' about is what gets them down, may be something totally different to someone else. I whinge about having to go to work sometimes, but I know I'm damn lucky to be able to get a job. PI whinges about the kids, but I bet there isn't a day she wouldn't give her life for them.
Oh dear. I wasn't calling you a whinger. I was calling you a hypocrite. :eyebrows: And what part of this:
my snipe about your ability to climb the career ladder was pointed at your constant wails of 'nobody understands me' and 'I'm being misinterpreted - yet this doesn't seem to have applied in the workplace to any meaningful extent.
is failing to get through your forcefield? :wallbutt:
LMAO at you screaming at DirtDawg after assuming he was referring to you. Nice one Mimi. :rofl:
I had quite some time off work because of some difficulties I had.
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Would someone mind explaining what this argument is all about??
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Would someone mind explaining what this argument is all about??
I was right and won the argument, that's all you need to know. ;)
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Would someone mind explaining what this argument is all about??
I was right and won the argument, that's all you need to know. ;)
i think the safe approach would be for everyone to agree with this statement.
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Would someone mind explaining what this argument is all about??
I was right and won the argument, that's all you need to know. ;)
That's not fair!!! You've got D-cups and I lack the will power to say no to them. :-[
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Would someone mind explaining what this argument is all about??
I was right and won the argument, that's all you need to know. ;)
That's not fair!!! You've got D-cups and I lack the will power to say no to them. :-[
Have you seen these D cups, they could be A ones before you know... :P
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Would someone mind explaining what this argument is all about??
I was right and won the argument, that's all you need to know. ;)
That's not fair!!! You've got D-cups and I lack the will power to say no to them. :-[
It's OK, I was right, regardless of my D-Cups. No one will notice your bias Scrap.
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Would someone mind explaining what this argument is all about??
I was right and won the argument, that's all you need to know. ;)
That's not fair!!! You've got D-cups and I lack the will power to say no to them. :-[
It's OK, I was right, regardless of my D-Cups. No one will notice your bias Scrap.
Him wanting to shag you tends to screw the debate really.
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Would someone mind explaining what this argument is all about??
I was right and won the argument, that's all you need to know. ;)
That's not fair!!! You've got D-cups and I lack the will power to say no to them. :-[
It's OK, I was right, regardless of my D-Cups. No one will notice your bias Scrap.
Him wanting to shag you tends to screw the debate really.
I don't think he was in the debate to begin with.
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Would someone mind explaining what this argument is all about??
I was right and won the argument, that's all you need to know. ;)
That's not fair!!! You've got D-cups and I lack the will power to say no to them. :-[
It's OK, I was right, regardless of my D-Cups. No one will notice your bias Scrap.
Him wanting to shag you tends to screw the debate really.
I don't think he was in the debate to begin with.
Maybe he was wanking at the sidelines...
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not exclusively, no. and I don't assume the world revolves around me and everyone else does or should give a fuck about me, like someone with an inflated sense of their own importance does.
Everyone is selfish, Dunc. Some are just more blatently than others.
QFT.
Indeed, every ACT is selfish - or so I was once convinced.
Now, I'm not positive, but nearly every one certainly is.
depending on how you define selfish, i may agree on that.
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not exclusively, no. and I don't assume the world revolves around me and everyone else does or should give a fuck about me, like someone with an inflated sense of their own importance does.
Everyone is selfish, Dunc. Some are just more blatently than others.
QFT.
Indeed, every ACT is selfish - or so I was once convinced.
Now, I'm not positive, but nearly every one certainly is.
depending on how you define selfish, i may agree on that.
Fulfilling a human need, a need of the person carrying out the act.
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Would someone mind explaining what this argument is all about??
I was right and won the argument, that's all you need to know. ;)
And that's the problem with you women: always in the fucking right.
(I'm being light-hearted with this statement, so refrain from getting on my case.)
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Would someone mind explaining what this argument is all about??
I was right and won the argument, that's all you need to know. ;)
And that's the problem with you women: always in the fucking right.
Better than being in the left... :P
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Would someone mind explaining what this argument is all about??
I was right and won the argument, that's all you need to know. ;)
And that's the problem with you women: always in the fucking right.
Better than being in the left... :P
I haven't chuckled one bit.
So much for your self-proclaimed superiority.
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And that's the problem with you women: always in the fucking right.
"I hate women because they always know where things are." -- James Thurber
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And that's the problem with you women: always in the fucking right.
"I hate women because they always know where things are." -- James Thurber
i need women for that very reason.
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not exclusively, no. and I don't assume the world revolves around me and everyone else does or should give a fuck about me, like someone with an inflated sense of their own importance does.
Everyone is selfish, Dunc. Some are just more blatently than others.
QFT.
Indeed, every ACT is selfish - or so I was once convinced.
Now, I'm not positive, but nearly every one certainly is.
depending on how you define selfish, i may agree on that.
Fulfilling a human need, a need of the person carrying out the act.
Then no, I don't agree. I think people sometimes act on what they want but not what they need.
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not exclusively, no. and I don't assume the world revolves around me and everyone else does or should give a fuck about me, like someone with an inflated sense of their own importance does.
Everyone is selfish, Dunc. Some are just more blatently than others.
QFT.
Indeed, every ACT is selfish - or so I was once convinced.
Now, I'm not positive, but nearly every one certainly is.
depending on how you define selfish, i may agree on that.
Fulfilling a human need, a need of the person carrying out the act.
Then no, I don't agree. I think people sometimes act on what they want but not what they need.
Carrying out wants tend to be done due to some kind of underlying human needs. So wants would come under my definition.
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not exclusively, no. and I don't assume the world revolves around me and everyone else does or should give a fuck about me, like someone with an inflated sense of their own importance does.
Everyone is selfish, Dunc. Some are just more blatently than others.
QFT.
Indeed, every ACT is selfish - or so I was once convinced.
Now, I'm not positive, but nearly every one certainly is.
depending on how you define selfish, i may agree on that.
Fulfilling a human need, a need of the person carrying out the act.
Then no, I don't agree. I think people sometimes act on what they want but not what they need.
Carrying out wants tend to be done due to some kind of underlying human needs. So wants would come under my definition.
I think you're defining 'need' differently than I am, you're wrong, or both.
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not exclusively, no. and I don't assume the world revolves around me and everyone else does or should give a fuck about me, like someone with an inflated sense of their own importance does.
Everyone is selfish, Dunc. Some are just more blatently than others.
QFT.
Indeed, every ACT is selfish - or so I was once convinced.
Now, I'm not positive, but nearly every one certainly is.
depending on how you define selfish, i may agree on that.
Fulfilling a human need, a need of the person carrying out the act.
Then no, I don't agree. I think people sometimes act on what they want but not what they need.
Carrying out wants tend to be done due to some kind of underlying human needs. So wants would come under my definition.
I think you're defining 'need' differently than I am, you're wrong, or both.
I am using it in a more psychological sense, and basing what I am saying on the scrap of psychology i learned at school. Suppose my definition was rewritten to include wants, would you then agree?
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I am using it in a more psychological sense, and basing what I am saying on the scrap of psychology i learned at school. Suppose my definition was rewritten to include wants, would you then agree?
Maslow might. Behold his heirarchy of needs:
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/58/Maslow%27s_hierarchy_of_needs.svg/800px-Maslow%27s_hierarchy_of_needs.svg.png)
I still don't. Based on the scraps of psychology I picked up in four years of majoring in it in college. Then again, psychology has yet to be unified, so I've not aligned myself much with that touchy-feely humanistic stuff because I care more about results than the warm fuzzies. To each his own.
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i thought you said psychology was pop science, or something similar, and that it was a load of waffle? in the peanut gallery, on the vivi vs pyraxis thread?
and PMS Elle - i :heart: maslow.
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i thought you said psychology was pop science, or something similar, and that it was a load of waffle? in the peanut gallery, on the vivi vs pyraxis thread?
and PMS Elle - i :heart: maslow.
I had to learn a bit for ICT, believe me i hated it.
And it is not a proper science, it comes under social sciences. When they actually prove things to a proper standard then i will reconsider. Some of the sound bites I have heard from psychology professionals just show how unscientific it is.
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i thought you said psychology was pop science, or something similar, and that it was a load of waffle? in the peanut gallery, on the vivi vs pyraxis thread?
and PMS Elle - i :heart: maslow.
Humanism was a nice step on the way to where we are now, but I don't like the pure humanist approach to therapy- or at least not what I know of the pure humanist approach. You likely know more than I, though I'd be shocked if our little professor Hadron did. It (humanism) certainly does have its place both in time (as the third force/introducing free will into psychology) and as a component to current practice, but I don't think that nondirective therapy is as helpful as people like to think it is. To my understanding, it's not as highly empirically backed as cognitive and/or behavioral.
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i thought you said psychology was pop science, or something similar, and that it was a load of waffle? in the peanut gallery, on the vivi vs pyraxis thread?
and PMS Elle - i :heart: maslow.
I had to learn a bit for ICT, believe me i hated it.
And it is not a proper science, it comes under social sciences. When they actually prove things to a proper standard then i will reconsider. Some of the sound bites I have heard from psychology professionals just show how unscientific it is.
Ahhwww. How cute. He bases his conclusions on sound bites in the same quote as he criticies scientific standards in the psychology community.
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i thought you said psychology was pop science, or something similar, and that it was a load of waffle? in the peanut gallery, on the vivi vs pyraxis thread?
and PMS Elle - i :heart: maslow.
I had to learn a bit for ICT, believe me i hated it.
And it is not a proper science, it comes under social sciences. When they actually prove things to a proper standard then i will reconsider. Some of the sound bites I have heard from psychology professionals just show how unscientific it is.
Ahhwww. How cute. He bases his conclusions on sound bites in the same quote as he criticies scientific standards in the psychology community.
I havent actually heard any sensible sound bite from them, when I do i might reconsider. As for the sound bites, these were all things that were supposedly scientifically proven. When you can come back to me that a psycholgist actualy knows rather than speculates on relating to the human mind let me know.
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Ahhwww. How cute. He bases his conclusions on sound bites in the same quote as he criticies scientific standards in the psychology community.
yes, and your point is..?
;)
and hadron, if you're basing knowledge on soundbites, how on earth do you have any indepth knowledge about anything?
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Ahhwww. How cute. He bases his conclusions on sound bites in the same quote as he criticies scientific standards in the psychology community.
yes, and your point is..?
;)
and hadron, if you're basing knowledge on soundbites, how on earth do you have any indepth knowledge about anything?
I did some reading, after hearing said soundbites. In fact lots of it, including reading most of the A-level psychology textbook, and digging on the internet. The only thing they seem to show is a few correlations. Same as any other social science.
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Does the pyramid shape represent anything?
Or is it just 'pretty'?
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Does the pyramid shape represent anything?
Or is it just 'pretty'?
It represents spiritualist flow... *sniggers*
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I did some reading, after hearing said soundbites. In fact lots of it, including reading most of the A-level psychology textbook, and digging on the internet. The only thing they seem to show is a few correlations. Same as any other social science.
You're being vague, dear, which makes sense, as you're also misinformed. I'd need to know the soundbited, the textbook, and the stuff you found on the internet to be certain that you're full of shit to set my level of certainty at α=.001, but I'm comfortable right now with a certainty of α=.05, which is standard. ;)
Does the pyramid shape represent anything?
Or is it just 'pretty'?
Maslow's hierarchy of needs.
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I did some reading, after hearing said soundbites. In fact lots of it, including reading most of the A-level psychology textbook, and digging on the internet. The only thing they seem to show is a few correlations. Same as any other social science.
You're being vague, dear, which makes sense, as you're also misinformed. I'd need to know the soundbited, the textbook, and the stuff you found on the internet to be certain that you're full of shit to set my level of certainty at α=.001, but I'm comfortable right now with a certainty of α=.05, which is standard. ;)
This is a good one I quite like: "Calling children stupid means they are more likely to grow to be stupid" I am told research backs this up, by the consultant who made this one. Can you spot the blatent flaw in that one?
As for using statistics, i prefer the mechanics and the pure. But then i am fussy.
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Seems goofy. Safety of PROPERTY seen
as more basic than some of the stuff above it?
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I did some reading, after hearing said soundbites. In fact lots of it, including reading most of the A-level psychology textbook, and digging on the internet. The only thing they seem to show is a few correlations. Same as any other social science.
You're being vague, dear, which makes sense, as you're also misinformed. I'd need to know the soundbited, the textbook, and the stuff you found on the internet to be certain that you're full of shit to set my level of certainty at α=.001, but I'm comfortable right now with a certainty of α=.05, which is standard. ;)
This is a good one I quite like: "Calling children stupid means they are more likely to grow to be stupid" I am told research backs this up, by the consultant who made this one. Can you spot the blatent flaw in that one?
As for using statistics, i prefer the mechanics and the pure. But then i am fussy.
Yes, I can spot the blatant flaw immediately in your presentation, and I'd be happy to point it out: It's a blanket statement that is extremely vague, decontexualized, not cites, and therefore impossible for me to verify or agree that it's utter crap. What consultant, and was this in a scientific, peer-reviewed journal, or a guest on Oprah?
The mechanics and the pure, eh? Not that I can argue it much, but does that mean you're down with old skool Newtonian physics as opposed to this fancy new uncertainty bullshit these youngins in physics are spouting?
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/passes PMS Elle a brick wall
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So, what is the problem with women here?
I've read many a thread where guys refer to women as 'gold diggers', 'manipulative' etc, etc...the derogatory remarks go on.
The final clincher for me was when Dunc accused me of 'climbing the career ladder'.
So, what's the problem with that? You guys complain when the girls are after you for one thing or the other, and when they are trying to be self sufficient, it's somehow a crime? It's OK for a guy to be proud of his job and work his way up, but if a girl isn't at home having babies or trying to juggle a few kids, it's somehow a cop out?
And of course, what would I know about stress? It seems here unless you talk about how stressful children are, or how intrusive your drug habit is, you don't know what stress is about? My addiction IS my work, so what is the problem with that? How can that be any less draining on my life than your addictions or afflictions are in yours?
I think men are threatened anytime they think a woman might so something better than they do.
I worked in hospitality for years..12 hour days..busting my ass..stressed to the max..but I *loved* my job.
I was often discouraged by the men around me (most hospitality management around me were men..I was one of the few women), and they would make snide comments about "shouldn't I be having babies or making dinner."
it was completely disgusting.
now that I *have* kids...and I stay home to home school them...I get the OPPOSITE shit, and it is from the same damned men. "oh, it must be nice to not have to work." WHAT??? I don't WORK?? <grumble>
the majority of men have a penis complex and can't bear to have a woman "get ahead". (not ALL men, so don't jump my shit.)
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:clap: :plus:
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/passes PMS Elle a brick wall
To deomonstrate Newtonian Physics, or to bang my head against?
He was reading this thread for awhile and signed off without replying to it. Perhaps he's going to phone a friend? If so, I certainly hope it's an avid Dr. Phil fan. Or a strict Freudian, although it would be hard to take the high road and stick to the quetsion of emprical support and not stoop to the level of, "No, YOU'RE displacing your aggression from your anal fixation, poopiehead!"
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it's the latest trend - post and then run off for several days.
and the wall is for your poor head, hon. :-*
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I think men are threatened anytime they think a woman might so something better than they do.
Hmm...I wouldn't say that I feel any differently about a
man who does better, than I would about a woman.
I think that's true in a lot of cases, between men too.
I know that when someone who is NOT part of the
guy's crowd does well, they get a lot of shit too.
Not sure that it's the same - certainly lacking the
sexism, but I've heard crap about a gay guy doing
well someplace, which was just as vile.
And, I'd suspect that women clump together
in positions where they have traditionally been
the majority, and cause problems for the males.
It would be nice to hear from Ozzy, on this, as
an example.
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it's the latest trend - post and then run off for several days.
and the wall is for your poor head, hon. :-*
Hopefully tomorrow I shall be able to let go of the subject. However, he caught me in a bad mood while he was trying to play know-it-all in a field I'm almost certainly more knowledgable in than he is if he is the age and education level he claims.
Damn my lack of impulse control.
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not your lack of impulse control. i've been there too, remember? as has bjork, and callaway and...
;)
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not your lack of impulse control. i've been there too, remember? as has bjork, and callaway and...
;)
It must be a weakness of the more bloodthirty sex.
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not your lack of impulse control. i've been there too, remember? as has bjork, and callaway and...
;)
It must be a weakness of the more bloodthirty sex.
Don't tempt me.
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Calling children... what? :-\
Am I this guy's current fantasy or summat? Kinky. :eyebrows:
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I did some reading, after hearing said soundbites. In fact lots of it, including reading most of the A-level psychology textbook, and digging on the internet. The only thing they seem to show is a few correlations. Same as any other social science.
You're being vague, dear, which makes sense, as you're also misinformed. I'd need to know the soundbited, the textbook, and the stuff you found on the internet to be certain that you're full of shit to set my level of certainty at α=.001, but I'm comfortable right now with a certainty of α=.05, which is standard. ;)
This is a good one I quite like: "Calling children peaguy means they are more likely to grow to be peaguy" I am told research backs this up, by the consultant who made this one. Can you spot the blatent flaw in that one?
As for using statistics, i prefer the mechanics and the pure. But then i am fussy.
Yes, I can spot the blatant flaw immediately in your presentation, and I'd be happy to point it out: It's a blanket statement that is extremely vague, decontexualized, not cites, and therefore impossible for me to verify or agree that it's utter crap. What consultant, and was this in a scientific, peer-reviewed journal, or a guest on Oprah?
The mechanics and the pure, eh? Not that I can argue it much, but does that mean you're down with old skool Newtonian physics as opposed to this fancy new uncertainty bullshit these youngins in physics are spouting?
My intenet went, hence the delayed reply.
As for the person who made that comment, it was made by a consultant about me (or my attitude to other people), to someone else. I was quoting her exact words. Its the sort of babble that seems to come out of most psychologists who are supposed to be acting in a profession.
Yes I am sticking with the newtonian stuff, until the rest is proven.
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My intenet went, hence the delayed reply.
As for the person who made that comment, it was made by a consultant about me (or my attitude to other people), to someone else. I was quoting her exact words. Its the sort of babble that seems to come out of most psychologists who are supposed to be acting in a profession.
Yes I am sticking with the newtonian stuff, until the rest is proven.
Oh, OK. That does make this all the more clear. :) You're not someone with an intellectual objection to psychology; you're someone who's trying to justify his own prejudice.
not your lack of impulse control. i've been there too, remember? as has bjork, and callaway and...
;)
It must be a weakness of the more bloodthirty sex.
Don't tempt me.
Don't order me around, you twunt!!! ;)
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My intenet went, hence the delayed reply.
As for the person who made that comment, it was made by a consultant about me (or my attitude to other people), to someone else. I was quoting her exact words. Its the sort of babble that seems to come out of most psychologists who are supposed to be acting in a profession.
Yes I am sticking with the newtonian stuff, until the rest is proven.
Oh, OK. That does make this all the more clear. :) You're not someone with an intellectual objection to psychology; you're someone who's trying to justify his own prejudice.
i think that the modern male is sick and tired of the emasculation that modern society projects on them.
i think it is much more comfortable to be in a clearly defined role....not that i have ever welcomed comfort, but i think most people prefer to know where they stand.
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My intenet went, hence the delayed reply.
As for the person who made that comment, it was made by a consultant about me (or my attitude to other people), to someone else. I was quoting her exact words. Its the sort of babble that seems to come out of most psychologists who are supposed to be acting in a profession.
Yes I am sticking with the newtonian stuff, until the rest is proven.
Oh, OK. That does make this all the more clear. :) You're not someone with an intellectual objection to psychology; you're someone who's trying to justify his own prejudice.
i think that the modern male is sick and tired of the emasculation that modern society projects on them.
i think it is much more comfortable to be in a clearly defined role....not that i have ever welcomed comfort, but i think most people prefer to know where they stand.
My replies to him have nothing to do with the fact that he's male, nor am I trying to emasculate him. I just think that as far as the conversation i've been having with him on this thread goes, he's chalk-full of shit.
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oh.
then let it apply to willows complaint about men complaining about her.
it boils down to insecurity of the male in the modern civilized world.
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My intenet went, hence the delayed reply.
As for the person who made that comment, it was made by a consultant about me (or my attitude to other people), to someone else. I was quoting her exact words. Its the sort of babble that seems to come out of most psychologists who are supposed to be acting in a profession.
Yes I am sticking with the newtonian stuff, until the rest is proven.
Oh, OK. That does make this all the more clear. :) You're not someone with an intellectual objection to psychology; you're someone who's trying to justify his own prejudice.
I used to be intrested in it, was even considering studying it at one point. My mind changed when i had an in depth look in. When they actually teach the intresting areas I might reconsider, there is some clever stuff in hypnosis they refuse to go into for instance.
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My intenet went, hence the delayed reply.
As for the person who made that comment, it was made by a consultant about me (or my attitude to other people), to someone else. I was quoting her exact words. Its the sort of babble that seems to come out of most psychologists who are supposed to be acting in a profession.
Yes I am sticking with the newtonian stuff, until the rest is proven.
Oh, OK. That does make this all the more clear. :) You're not someone with an intellectual objection to psychology; you're someone who's trying to justify his own prejudice.
I used to be intrested in it, was even considering studying it at one point. My mind changed when i had an in depth look in. When they actually teach the intresting areas I might reconsider, there is some clever stuff in hypnosis they refuse to go into for instance.
Oh, you're prejudiced AND you refuse to take it seriously as a science until you get to play with the bells-and-whistles part.
Or perhaps my naivety is showing and you're trolling masterfully? If so, kudos, you're brilliant at making yourself a quite appealing target by making obviously moronic statements.
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My intenet went, hence the delayed reply.
As for the person who made that comment, it was made by a consultant about me (or my attitude to other people), to someone else. I was quoting her exact words. Its the sort of babble that seems to come out of most psychologists who are supposed to be acting in a profession.
Yes I am sticking with the newtonian stuff, until the rest is proven.
Oh, OK. That does make this all the more clear. :) You're not someone with an intellectual objection to psychology; you're someone who's trying to justify his own prejudice.
I used to be intrested in it, was even considering studying it at one point. My mind changed when i had an in depth look in. When they actually teach the intresting areas I might reconsider, there is some clever stuff in hypnosis they refuse to go into for instance.
Oh, you're prejudiced AND you refuse to take it seriously as a science until you get to play with the bells-and-whistles part.
Or perhaps my naivety is showing and you're trolling masterfully? If so, kudos, you're brilliant at making yourself a quite appealing target by making obviously moronic statements.
Not prejudiced at all. If you can demonstrate to me something in psychology proven to a high scientif standard which doesnt contain a long string of ifs and buts, go ahead. Psychology is just too dull these days for me to go into. Times may change however.
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Not prejudiced at all. If you can demonstrate to me something in psychology proven to a high scientif standard which doesnt contain a long string of ifs and buts, go ahead. Psychology is just too dull these days for me to go into. Times may change however.
Of course there's ifs and buts. ::) Human beings are varied and live varied lives. Behavior varies from person to person, situation to situation, culture to culture, etc. depending on the scales you look at it on. If you're looking for something like "100%", "always," and "never" in a statement about human behavior, you're pretty limited in what you can say. However, that's true even in what you consider 'hard' science, not dealing with human behavior, or the behavior of a living organism at all. Even water doesn't "always" freeze at the same temperature.
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Not prejudiced at all. If you can demonstrate to me something in psychology proven to a high scientif standard which doesnt contain a long string of ifs and buts, go ahead. Psychology is just too dull these days for me to go into. Times may change however.
Of course there's ifs and buts. ::) Human beings are varied and live varied lives. Behavior varies from person to person, situation to situation, culture to culture, etc. depending on the scales you look at it on. If you're looking for something like "100%", "always," and "never" in a statement about human behavior, you're pretty limited in what you can say. However, that's true even in what you consider 'hard' science, not dealing with human behavior, or the behavior of a living organism at all. Even water doesn't "always" freeze at the same temperature.
Yes there are ifs and buts, but they should have most NT's figured out by now, so they could go we took X NT's, did this to them, the results were... As for the water freezing one, if its pure and under the same atmospheric pressure then it will freeze at zero. The point is they know the variables where there is a problem, rather than saying X percent of the time, and a statement following it. Anyway i mainly do maths, and everything can be proven or disproven within that area. What areas of psychology did you do anyway?
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...but they should have most NT's figured out by now...
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Anyway i mainly do maths, and everything can be proven or disproven within that area.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fermat%27s_Last_Theorem (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fermat%27s_Last_Theorem)
Granted, this has now been proved. But it took many, many years and, until then, had been a classic example of an 'unsolvable' problem. Perhaps psychology (a much younger science) still has some ways to go?
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...but they should have most NT's figured out by now...
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Anyway i mainly do maths, and everything can be proven or disproven within that area.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fermat%27s_Last_Theorem (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fermat%27s_Last_Theorem)
Granted, this has now been proved. But it took many, many years and, until then, had been a classic example of an 'unsolvable' problem. Perhaps psychology (a much younger science) still has some ways to go?
If it is a science, it should improve sooner or later enough for it to intrest me. I am not convinced it is going to happen anytime soon. Look how much younger CS is, and how much further that has got, relative to psychology. They tend to nail these maths problems in the end, as you have shown. It just takes time.
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If it is a science, it should improve sooner or later enough for it to intrest me. I am not convinced it is going to happen anytime soon. Look how much younger CS is, and how much further that has got, relative to psychology. They tend to nail these maths problems in the end, as you have shown. It just takes time.
So something has to interest YOU and convince YOU before it can be considered a science? I am humbled by your presence.
As for computer science (did I mention that this is what my degree is in?), of course it's improved faster. I can set a system to run a million tests and have the results within a day. A psychology study, on the other hand, usually involves people and questionnaires and takes excessive amounts of time to administer and gather the responses before you can even get to the analysis.
Now, I'm not trying to be belligerent. I'm more of a 'hard' sciences kind of person myself. It's easier when everything can be placed in nice, neat columns, black or white, 1 or 0. But humans are analog, there's a lot of gray area. We are all different, unique, individual. There's commonality, sure. If there weren't, psych would never be able to exist. Of course, we'd never have gotten off the ground as a species either. But dismissing something just because it doesn't make sense to your worldview is only limiting yourself.
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good points, all, mordok. :clap:
:plus:
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Mordok's a sound gent.
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If it is a science, it should improve sooner or later enough for it to intrest me. I am not convinced it is going to happen anytime soon. Look how much younger CS is, and how much further that has got, relative to psychology. They tend to nail these maths problems in the end, as you have shown. It just takes time.
So something has to interest YOU and convince YOU before it can be considered a science? I am humbled by your presence.
As for computer science (did I mention that this is what my degree is in?), of course it's improved faster. I can set a system to run a million tests and have the results within a day. A psychology study, on the other hand, usually involves people and questionnaires and takes excessive amounts of time to administer and gather the responses before you can even get to the analysis.
Now, I'm not trying to be belligerent. I'm more of a 'hard' sciences kind of person myself. It's easier when everything can be placed in nice, neat columns, black or white, 1 or 0. But humans are analog, there's a lot of gray area. We are all different, unique, individual. There's commonality, sure. If there weren't, psych would never be able to exist. Of course, we'd never have gotten off the ground as a species either. But dismissing something just because it doesn't make sense to your worldview is only limiting yourself.
:plus: TY, you've saved me much work.
Might I add, psychology studies are not only limited by time and difficulty in getting subjects, but also in regards to the pretty strict ethical standards that exist when expirementing on humans- ethical standards that are unnecessary when not dealing with humans. (arguably, they're necessary when dealing with animals on some moral level, but realistically, they aren't as stringent.)
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oh, this is all such rot. ::) (not you, PMS Elle, but you don't need to defend it).
it's the same old same old about extending kudos and approbation towards some subjects and not others. depends what's in fashion. at the moment, it's "hard" subjects, like maths and physics. the wheel will probably turn again, though, i dare say.
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Might I add, psychology studies are not only limited by time and difficulty in getting subjects, but also in regards to the pretty strict ethical standards that exist when expirementing on humans- ethical standards that are unnecessary when not dealing with humans. (arguably, they're necessary when dealing with animals on some moral level, but realistically, they aren't as stringent.)
That's why I don't tell people about my kid-in-a-cage experiments.
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...I get the OPPOSITE shit, and it is from the same damned men.
I have to plus you large for noticing that it is the same weak-ruddered, listing men who are mainly at fault, here.
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Calling children... what? :-\
Am I this guy's current fantasy or summat? Kinky. :eyebrows:
Scrapheap was showing his admiration of you by putting you in the word filter, Peaguy.
:-*
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not your lack of impulse control. i've been there too, remember? as has bjork, and callaway and...
;)
It must be a weakness of the more bloodthirty sex.
Don't tempt me.
Don't order me around, you twunt!!! ;)
Sounds like someone needs to enter a drinking
contest.
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Look how much younger CS is, and how much further that has got, relative to psychology.
Interesting that you should bring this
up, given how dependent fields of
CS are on psychology.
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As for computer science (did I mention that this is what my degree is in?), of course it's improved faster. I can set a system to run a million tests and have the results within a day.
Plus, little of this is comp sci, but rather computer engineering.
Which isn't really a science at all.
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If it is a science, it should improve sooner or later enough for it to intrest me. I am not convinced it is going to happen anytime soon. Look how much younger CS is, and how much further that has got, relative to psychology. They tend to nail these maths problems in the end, as you have shown. It just takes time.
So something has to interest YOU and convince YOU before it can be considered a science? I am humbled by your presence.
As for computer science (did I mention that this is what my degree is in?), of course it's improved faster. I can set a system to run a million tests and have the results within a day. A psychology study, on the other hand, usually involves people and questionnaires and takes excessive amounts of time to administer and gather the responses before you can even get to the analysis.
Now, I'm not trying to be belligerent. I'm more of a 'hard' sciences kind of person myself. It's easier when everything can be placed in nice, neat columns, black or white, 1 or 0. But humans are analog, there's a lot of gray area. We are all different, unique, individual. There's commonality, sure. If there weren't, psych would never be able to exist. Of course, we'd never have gotten off the ground as a species either. But dismissing something just because it doesn't make sense to your worldview is only limiting yourself.
:plus: TY, you've saved me much work.
Might I add, psychology studies are not only limited by time and difficulty in getting subjects, but also in regards to the pretty strict ethical standards that exist when expirementing on humans- ethical standards that are unnecessary when not dealing with humans. (arguably, they're necessary when dealing with animals on some moral level, but realistically, they aren't as stringent.)
Medicine has the same restrictions, and has advanced a lot faster than psychology it seems. As for ethics, i am sure there are plenty who ignore them, hence all the researchers who show up on othe Aspie etc message boards.
Now ill answer Mordoks bit:
Put it like this, i tend to be intrested in all solid science. So for me, what I said would end up being true.
In computer science there tends to be alot more tests to do for a given problem. For example to solve Othello i believe it has a tree in the order of magnitude of 10^27 to do tests on. And that is for one simple game.
As for hard sciences, you can find lots of analogue in it too. For example Astronomy, but what you dont get is lots of astronomers parading all their stuff around as fact, they says its the theory that fits what we currently know. Psychologists way too frequently parade theory as absolute fact, hence my issue with the discipline. When they actually start to accept how little they know, and ignore some of the ethics lark a bit more, they might get somewhere. Until then, it is effectively a social science, not a real science.
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Medicine has the same restrictions, and has advanced a lot faster than psychology it seems.
It has similar ethical restrictions, yes. Given that both involve human beings, that is to be expected. But comparing them and their relative progress is an apples and oranges comparison. Medicine is considered a natural (hard) science, while psych is considered a social (soft) science.
Let me make an analogy to computers. Medicine is focused almost exclusively on the hardware that makes a person's body work. Psych is focused more on the software running on one particular piece of that hardware (the brain, obviously). Now, neither field really claims to know how the brain works in it's entirety. So psych is trying to analyze unknown software running on not entirely understood hardware. Added to that complexity is the fact that the software is somewhat different on each machine each of those also being somewhat different. It can hardly be surprising that progress might be slower.
And finally on this point, what does the speed of progress have to do with anything anyway? Math as a science is moving at a snail's pace compared to, say, Newton's time. All science moves in fits and starts. So what?
Now ill answer Mordoks bit:
Put it like this, i tend to be intrested in all solid science. So for me, what I said would end up being true.
In computer science there tends to be alot more tests to do for a given problem. For example to solve Othello i believe it has a tree in the order of magnitude of 10^27 to do tests on. And that is for one simple game.
I'm sorry to say, but Othello or even Chess are not computer SCIENCE problems. They are problems where computers make excellent tools. I can sit down with a forest's worth of paper and do the same thing. Assuming I had a near-infinte life-span at least. Your example problems are traditionally considered more math or game theory problems.
Again, I hate to sound belligerent, but if you do not understand what computer science is, then you should not be trying to use it to justify your point.
As for hard sciences, you can find lots of analogue in it too. For example Astronomy, but what you dont get is lots of astronomers parading all their stuff around as fact, they says its the theory that fits what we currently know.
From this, I have to assume you don't follow the ongoing debates over string theory.
Psychologists way too frequently parade theory as absolute fact, hence my issue with the discipline.
This is hardly something unique to psychology. I may be wrong, but what I think you are seeing is the result of media's portrayal of any science. I can't count the number of times I've seen news reports of this or a new study, particularly when they involve children (much better attention getting -- 'won't someone please think of the children!'). Very often, the news will report the study in whatever way gets the strongest reaction and few people will go back and look at the study itself. Before you know it, 'indications that as many as 60% of the subjects' becomes 'the majority of those tested'. I'm sure I'm not the only one who has even seen cases where the news report will make something sound the exact opposite of what the scientific report was trying to show.
Until then, it is effectively a social science, not a real science.
Yes, it is a social science. It's part of the definition as it deals with society and those in it. That does not mean it's not real. I begin to think that you do not understand what science itself is at the core. Failure to understand what something is does not make it any less real, only less real to you.
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medicine has hardly advanced a lot faster - it's been around for thousands of years, whereas psychology has only been around for hundreds. also, major advances in medicine are often as a result of military requirements - plastic surgery and the treatment of burns, and antibiotics, as two examples.
and to me, "science" is not a subject but a process, which can be applied to any subject, even those such as history and art. (and i don't mean the difference between convergent and divergent thinking).
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Bitches be crazy. :orly:
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Bitches be crazy. :orly:
Bitches be trippin'.
Tosh.O "bitches be trippin" (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TOvAqJtII4g#ws)
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I'm hungry and high right now.... God I wish I had more food and more pills fucking hospitals.
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I'm hungry and high right now.... God I wish I had more food and more pills fucking hospitals.
well I feel for you...on the count of being hungry minus the high...you must be high to bump this thread :zombiefuck:
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I'm hungry and high right now.... God I wish I had more food and more pills fucking hospitals.
well I feel for you...on the count of being hungry minus the high...you must be high to bump this thread :zombiefuck:
As a kite evidently, i don't remember actually bumping this.
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I always heard it was because we have teeth in our vaginas. Love me those dick on crackers...
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I always heard it was because we have teeth in our vaginas. Love me those dick on crackers...
Remembers the movie... :LOL:
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/8/81/Teeth_poster.JPG)
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Bitches be crazy. :orly:
Bitches be trippin'.
Bitches be st00pid. :autism:
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Love me those dick on crackers...
You like the penises on white dudes?
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Careful with that answer, awiddershinlife. :lol1:
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Careful with that answer, awiddershinlife. :lol1:
I am not in a careful mood, my lovely woodchuck. Tell me what you have for my crackers...
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I may have misinterpreted that, but it read like EBM was offering to show you his penis. :orly:
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I may have misinterpreted that, but it read like EBM was offering to show you his penis. :orly:
:needpics:
For the gopher, of course. :zoinks:
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I may have misinterpreted that, but it read like EBM was offering to show you his penis. :orly:
:needpics:
For the gopher, of course. :zoinks:
Quit projecting your weird crap at me, Semicolon. You know good and well we both want him to post his penis. :hahaha:
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I may have misinterpreted that, but it read like EBM was offering to show you his penis. :orly:
:needpics:
For the gopher, of course. :zoinks:
Quit projecting your weird crap at me, Semicolon. You know good and well we both want him to post his penis. :hahaha:
What am I gonna put on my crackers?
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What am I gonna put on my crackers?
Fromundah cheese. :green:
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:lol1:
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I may have misinterpreted that, but it read like EBM was offering to show you his penis. :orly:
:needpics:
For the gopher, of course. :zoinks:
Quit projecting your weird crap at me, Semicolon. You know good and well we both want him to post his penis. :hahaha:
You want it more. :trollface:
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::) *sighs*
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What am I gonna put on my crackers?
Fromundah cheese. :green:
Wow - I^2 has really enhanced my vocabulary. I guess I will have some boring colby cheese on my neglected crackers
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Wow - I^2 has really enhanced my vocabulary.
It's a perk, both gift and curse.
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::) *sighs*
Do you want it the most? :orly:
Wow - I^2 has really enhanced my vocabulary.
It's a perk, both gift and curse.
:indeed:
We enhance a lot of things.
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We also have practical tips if you're constipated.
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We also have practical tips if you're constipated.
:indeed:
We have practical tips even if you're not constipated.
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Even just the tip isn't going to HELP constipation.
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We also have practical tips if you're constipated.
:indeed:
We have practical tips even if you're not constipated.
And we have other kinds of tips, too.
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Love me those dick on crackers...
You like the penises on white dudes?
:oneliner: 'Cause that's what white dudes are best known for!
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There is no problem with women.
Thread is complete, now.
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I beg to differ.
There's something that goes awry when you attach a human brain to a vagina, they quit making sense.
Ever wonder why gay couples seem so happy? It's because they don't have to put up with women!
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I beg to differ.
There's something that goes awry when you attach a human brain to a vagina, they quit making sense.
Ever wonder why gay couples seem so happy? It's because they don't have to put up with women!
Wait, so who the fuck ever said there was a brain connected to a vagina somewhere?
WTF are you even talking about?
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My support worker figured out I was a bit apprehensive around women. I grew up in a household of them. I've experienced jealousy throughout school and from my sister. I feel more comfortable around laid back men or laid back women. I'm usually afraid I will offend women.
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I beg to differ.
There's something that goes awry when you attach a human brain to a vagina, they quit making sense.
Ever wonder why gay couples seem so happy? It's because they don't have to put up with women!
Awwwww, want to tell about how you were rejected?
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There's nothing to tell. :dunno:
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I beg to differ.
There's something that goes awry when you attach a human brain to a vagina, they quit making sense.
Ever wonder why gay couples seem so happy? It's because they don't have to put up with women!
Awwwww, want to tell about how you were rejected?
:lol1: