The Truth Behind The Gates Of Auschwitz

[benjimanbreeg]

If you say it wasn't 6 million, you are a Holocaust denier and could be locked up in some countries. 

Priceless.

The truth is, yes.

Show me a country that locks you up for saying it wasn't 6 million. And before you start moving the goalposts, read what you wrote.

Austria

In Austria, the Verbotsgesetz 1947 provided the legal framework for the process of denazification in Austria and suppression of any potential revival of Nazism. In 1992, it was amended to prohibit the denial or gross minimisation of the Holocaust.

National Socialism Prohibition Law (1947, amendments of 1992)
§ 3g. He who operates in a manner characterized other than that in § § 3a – 3f will be punished (revitalising of the NSDAP or identification with), with imprisonment from one to up to ten years, and in cases of particularly dangerous suspects or activity, be punished with up to twenty years' imprisonment.[15]
§ 3h. As an amendment to § 3 g., whoever denies, grossly plays down, approves or tries to excuse the National Socialist genocide or other National Socialist crimes against humanity in a print publication, in broadcast or other media.[16]


Belgium

Holocaust denial was made illegal in Belgium in 1995.

Negationism Law (1995, amendments of 1999)
Article 1 Whoever, in the circumstances given in article 444 of the Penal Code denies, grossly minimises, attempts to justify, or approves the genocide committed by the German National Socialist Regime during the Second World War shall be punished by a prison sentence of eight days to one year, and by a fine of twenty six francs to five thousand francs. For the application of the previous paragraph, the term genocide is meant in the sense of article 2 of the International Treaty of 9 December 1948 on preventing and combating genocide. In the event of repetitions, the guilty party may in addition have his civic rights suspended in accordance with article 33 of the Penal Code.

Thus proving my point. Read what you wrote. 

   You can be locked up for saying it wasn't 6 million aka grossly minimizing.  Are you in some kind of denial?

"It wasn't 6 million" is not in itself grossly minimising. If you want a punishable quote, try something like "it was significantly less than 6 million" or perhaps "the 6 million figure is a lie".

See, "it wasn't 6 million"  could mean anything, including "it was more than that". If you, on the other hand, qualify it, then they might lock you up, depending on how you choose to do it.

See how this works? I would have thought it to be obvious, but I'm here to help.

Oh fuck off 

Just admit you were wrong.  Cause yeah, maybe when "Holocaust Deniers" publish books saying "Did Six Million Really Die?", they meant that maybe it was 7 million!!     You really are pathetic.  You know full well what I meant by saying that people could be locked up for saying it wasn't 6 million.  And it's fucking you with reading comprehensions, as if I was saying they were literally being locked up for saying "it wasn't 6 million", then i'd have put it in quotations. 

[benjimanbreeg]

Not sure what the tinfoil thing is for?  Are you in complete denial?  If you accused Muslims of trying to suppress something, would you just be doing it out of tinfoilism?  I guess if Muslims controlled your country, things would be the opposite. 

Well if you've read it a few times, counter some of the points, using what you've learned from the book.  I'm not like you, i'm not petrified of being wrong.

It's a good thing. You'd live your life in fear.

Tell me some things i've been wrong about, in detail?

For example, some minor details, just now, like that the Holocaust didn't happen. Because that is what you are saying, isn't it? Or that some countries will lock you up if you question a number.

And an honorary mention goes to your insinuations about torture at Nuremberg--they must have been the worst torturers in history, considering how few confessions they managed to produce.

The origins of ISIS and who finances them is in another thread but nevertheless goes into this category.

Etc. Read your posts.

I never said the Holocaust didn't happen, don't twist my words.  Just proved that you can be locked up in certain European countries for that. 

For Holocaust denial, yes. For saying the figure wasn't 6 million, no.

So since you now twist your posts and deny your denial, then, in your own words, tell us what you think did happen. Go on. Take your time.

Uh, maybe that's because the tortured people didn't want to lie?  Again, are you denying the torturing happened?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Criticism_of_Holocaust_denial#Testimonies

ISIS have been funded by US allies and some have been trained by the US.  Like Al Qaeda members were in the past.

Some individual members, yes, probably. The organisations(s), no.

As for the funding of ISIL/ISIS/IS, still waiting for you to provide proof.

   So saying that the 6 million figure is miles out isn't considered a form of "Holocaust Denial"?  You really are clueless.  You don't think saying it was far less than six million would be considered "grossly minimizing"  So Zundel's book he published wasn't a form of "Holocaust denial"?  I mean really, are you really this stupid, or another who's petrified of being wrong? 

And again, I provided the link, you just called the author a kook and ignored the sources provided and said she only uses Wikipedia when it suits her lol.

"Miles out" and "far less" are both qualifiers that help if you plan on moving to Belgium or Israel. "The figure isn't 6 million" by itself does not. See how this works?

Semantics really isn't your thing, is it?

Honesty isn't yours. 

[Hannah]

In a way I feel very sorry for those that do not believe this horrible act of recent history took place...I am a positive person not one to poke others and attempt to bridge social gaps and give benefits of the doubt...

I can see why denying this would be something tempting, how can humans be that hateful? They can...and it's so horrific to remember and or comprehend...I have come to the conclusion this is at the root of why folks deny this took place even all these years later...they cannot believe how inhuman their fellow humans can be...

Then again; this is just my take and like I said I give folks the benefit of the doubt...

[Arya Quinn]

The truth behind the gates of Auschwitz: A shitload of people died for no reason other than the hatred of others who happened to have a shitload of power and that's just fucking awful, as far as genocide goes it's probably the one with the second or third most deaths, the one with the most probably being that of the Native Americans (an estimated 80-90% of that whole population, but more died from smallpox than human action)

Some people don't know that the Nazis put more than just Jews to death because of their views. Homosexuals, disabled people, Communists, ethnic minorities and gypsies to name a few. I wouldn't be surprised if more than 6 million people died.

The Holocaust is something that as a species we must never allow to happen again. However, because the human race is the utter scum of the universe we'll commit another major genocide without giving it a second thought if given the chance (heck there are genocides happening right now that we're actually supporting as a species).

There's always going to be genocide in our world and there is always going to be people supporting that genocide. There isn't much we can do about that but sit back, watch and then years later try to explain to our grandchildren why we allowed it to happen.

[odeon]

If you say it wasn't 6 million, you are a Holocaust denier and could be locked up in some countries. 

Priceless.

The truth is, yes.

Show me a country that locks you up for saying it wasn't 6 million. And before you start moving the goalposts, read what you wrote.

Austria

In Austria, the Verbotsgesetz 1947 provided the legal framework for the process of denazification in Austria and suppression of any potential revival of Nazism. In 1992, it was amended to prohibit the denial or gross minimisation of the Holocaust.

National Socialism Prohibition Law (1947, amendments of 1992)
§ 3g. He who operates in a manner characterized other than that in § § 3a – 3f will be punished (revitalising of the NSDAP or identification with), with imprisonment from one to up to ten years, and in cases of particularly dangerous suspects or activity, be punished with up to twenty years' imprisonment.[15]
§ 3h. As an amendment to § 3 g., whoever denies, grossly plays down, approves or tries to excuse the National Socialist genocide or other National Socialist crimes against humanity in a print publication, in broadcast or other media.[16]


Belgium

Holocaust denial was made illegal in Belgium in 1995.

Negationism Law (1995, amendments of 1999)
Article 1 Whoever, in the circumstances given in article 444 of the Penal Code denies, grossly minimises, attempts to justify, or approves the genocide committed by the German National Socialist Regime during the Second World War shall be punished by a prison sentence of eight days to one year, and by a fine of twenty six francs to five thousand francs. For the application of the previous paragraph, the term genocide is meant in the sense of article 2 of the International Treaty of 9 December 1948 on preventing and combating genocide. In the event of repetitions, the guilty party may in addition have his civic rights suspended in accordance with article 33 of the Penal Code.

Thus proving my point. Read what you wrote. 

   You can be locked up for saying it wasn't 6 million aka grossly minimizing.  Are you in some kind of denial?

"It wasn't 6 million" is not in itself grossly minimising. If you want a punishable quote, try something like "it was significantly less than 6 million" or perhaps "the 6 million figure is a lie".

See, "it wasn't 6 million"  could mean anything, including "it was more than that". If you, on the other hand, qualify it, then they might lock you up, depending on how you choose to do it.

See how this works? I would have thought it to be obvious, but I'm here to help.

Oh fuck off 

Just admit you were wrong.  Cause yeah, maybe when "Holocaust Deniers" publish books saying "Did Six Million Really Die?", they meant that maybe it was 7 million!!     You really are pathetic.  You know full well what I meant by saying that people could be locked up for saying it wasn't 6 million.  And it's fucking you with reading comprehensions, as if I was saying they were literally being locked up for saying "it wasn't 6 million", then i'd have put it in quotations.

Does it annoy you to have such a weak grasp of what is supposedly your first language?

[odeon]

Not sure what the tinfoil thing is for?  Are you in complete denial?  If you accused Muslims of trying to suppress something, would you just be doing it out of tinfoilism?  I guess if Muslims controlled your country, things would be the opposite. 

Well if you've read it a few times, counter some of the points, using what you've learned from the book.  I'm not like you, i'm not petrified of being wrong.

It's a good thing. You'd live your life in fear.

Tell me some things i've been wrong about, in detail?

For example, some minor details, just now, like that the Holocaust didn't happen. Because that is what you are saying, isn't it? Or that some countries will lock you up if you question a number.

And an honorary mention goes to your insinuations about torture at Nuremberg--they must have been the worst torturers in history, considering how few confessions they managed to produce.

The origins of ISIS and who finances them is in another thread but nevertheless goes into this category.

Etc. Read your posts.

I never said the Holocaust didn't happen, don't twist my words.  Just proved that you can be locked up in certain European countries for that. 

For Holocaust denial, yes. For saying the figure wasn't 6 million, no.

So since you now twist your posts and deny your denial, then, in your own words, tell us what you think did happen. Go on. Take your time.

Uh, maybe that's because the tortured people didn't want to lie?  Again, are you denying the torturing happened?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Criticism_of_Holocaust_denial#Testimonies

ISIS have been funded by US allies and some have been trained by the US.  Like Al Qaeda members were in the past.

Some individual members, yes, probably. The organisations(s), no.

As for the funding of ISIL/ISIS/IS, still waiting for you to provide proof.

   So saying that the 6 million figure is miles out isn't considered a form of "Holocaust Denial"?  You really are clueless.  You don't think saying it was far less than six million would be considered "grossly minimizing"  So Zundel's book he published wasn't a form of "Holocaust denial"?  I mean really, are you really this stupid, or another who's petrified of being wrong? 

And again, I provided the link, you just called the author a kook and ignored the sources provided and said she only uses Wikipedia when it suits her lol.

"Miles out" and "far less" are both qualifiers that help if you plan on moving to Belgium or Israel. "The figure isn't 6 million" by itself does not. See how this works?

Semantics really isn't your thing, is it?

Honesty isn't yours.

And where am I not being honest? It really bothers you that you have trouble expressing yourself, doesn't it?

[odeon]

Some people don't know that the Nazis put more than just Jews to death because of their views. Homosexuals, disabled people, Communists, ethnic minorities and gypsies to name a few. I wouldn't be surprised if more than 6 million people died.

At least 11 million were killed. A recent study by the Holocaust Memorial Museum in Washington suggests a far higher number, up to 20 million in total.

[Arya Quinn]

Some people don't know that the Nazis put more than just Jews to death because of their views. Homosexuals, disabled people, Communists, ethnic minorities and gypsies to name a few. I wouldn't be surprised if more than 6 million people died.

At least 11 million were killed. A recent study by the Holocaust Memorial Museum in Washington suggests a far higher number, up to 20 million in total.

Fuck me, it's a lot more horrific than I realized. 

[RageBeoulve]

They basically killed everyone who wasn't really into global germanism, retarded, gay, not brimming with mystical "vrill" energies (yeah, I know right?).

I think the problem here is that some people would prefer to know a more exact account of what happened. and when they dig into it they are automatically called a Nazi and a jew hater, and sometimes thrown in jail.

Don't you think that's strange behavior? I mean, its perfectly reasonable to want as clear a picture as possible of such an event, as to be more able to prevent it from happening again.

['andersom']

Some people don't know that the Nazis put more than just Jews to death because of their views. Homosexuals, disabled people, Communists, ethnic minorities and gypsies to name a few. I wouldn't be surprised if more than 6 million people died.

At least 11 million were killed. A recent study by the Holocaust Memorial Museum in Washington suggests a far higher number, up to 20 million in total.

Fuck me, it's a lot more horrific than I realized. 

For some groups it the numbers of people killed are pretty precise. For some groups the numbers are completely unclear. For the Roma and the Sinti for example. Half a million is seen as a reliable estimate, but there are figures saying it is less than half of that, and figures saying it could be four times as much.

It was much, it was industrial killing of people because of who they were.

[Hannah]

Some people don't know that the Nazis put more than just Jews to death because of their views. Homosexuals, disabled people, Communists, ethnic minorities and gypsies to name a few. I wouldn't be surprised if more than 6 million people died.

At least 11 million were killed. A recent study by the Holocaust Memorial Museum in Washington suggests a far higher number, up to 20 million in total.

I actually did know that other's were killed as well...the entire thing was just insane...Christians not in name only were among the 'other' humans brave enough to hide people who were later turned in and killed along with everyone else that didn't go along with whatever the heck they were trying to achieve...

[RageBeoulve]

Some people don't know that the Nazis put more than just Jews to death because of their views. Homosexuals, disabled people, Communists, ethnic minorities and gypsies to name a few. I wouldn't be surprised if more than 6 million people died.

At least 11 million were killed. A recent study by the Holocaust Memorial Museum in Washington suggests a far higher number, up to 20 million in total.

I actually did know that other's were killed as well...the entire thing was just insane...Christians not in name only were among the 'other' humans brave enough to hide people who were later turned in and killed along with everyone else that didn't go along with whatever the heck they were trying to achieve...

Absolutely. Nazi Germany was a death machine.

['andersom']

Some people don't know that the Nazis put more than just Jews to death because of their views. Homosexuals, disabled people, Communists, ethnic minorities and gypsies to name a few. I wouldn't be surprised if more than 6 million people died.

At least 11 million were killed. A recent study by the Holocaust Memorial Museum in Washington suggests a far higher number, up to 20 million in total.

I actually did know that other's were killed as well...the entire thing was just insane...Christians not in name only were among the 'other' humans brave enough to hide people who were later turned in and killed along with everyone else that didn't go along with whatever the heck they were trying to achieve...

The "Deutsche Christen" and "Die Bekennende Kirche" were quite different in their views on Hitler's regime.

Both groups probably thought they were Christians not in name only. But what a difference between the two of them.

[RageBeoulve]

Some people don't know that the Nazis put more than just Jews to death because of their views. Homosexuals, disabled people, Communists, ethnic minorities and gypsies to name a few. I wouldn't be surprised if more than 6 million people died.

At least 11 million were killed. A recent study by the Holocaust Memorial Museum in Washington suggests a far higher number, up to 20 million in total.

I actually did know that other's were killed as well...the entire thing was just insane...Christians not in name only were among the 'other' humans brave enough to hide people who were later turned in and killed along with everyone else that didn't go along with whatever the heck they were trying to achieve...

The "Deutsche Christen" and "Die Bekennende Kirche" were quite different in their views on Hitler's regime.

Both groups probably thought they were Christians not in name only. But what a difference between the two of them.

Most default style idealism ends up that way though.

['andersom']

Some people don't know that the Nazis put more than just Jews to death because of their views. Homosexuals, disabled people, Communists, ethnic minorities and gypsies to name a few. I wouldn't be surprised if more than 6 million people died.

At least 11 million were killed. A recent study by the Holocaust Memorial Museum in Washington suggests a far higher number, up to 20 million in total.

I actually did know that other's were killed as well...the entire thing was just insane...Christians not in name only were among the 'other' humans brave enough to hide people who were later turned in and killed along with everyone else that didn't go along with whatever the heck they were trying to achieve...

The "Deutsche Christen" and "Die Bekennende Kirche" were quite different in their views on Hitler's regime.

Both groups probably thought they were Christians not in name only. But what a difference between the two of them.

Most default style idealism ends up that way though.

I was wondering why Hannah mentioned the faith/belief system of people being brave enough to stand up against Nazi ideology. That's why I mentioned both a group of convinced collaborators and a group of convinced critics of the Nazi ideology.

The Christians that did stand up against it very likely found strength and courage in their faith, but the communists and the atheists helping fugitives from Nazi regime found courage somewhere too.