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Al, repeating failed arguments won't magically unfail them. Once again, you haven't shown that a ban on Muslims at the border would help; nobody has, not you, not Trump, not anyone else. You all imply it by selectively citing factoids, but that's about it. Trump frequently lies and misrepresents, too.
I'm also stunned by your defending his comments on Mexicans. Have you heard (or read) the entire speech?
But this is not going anywhere and I have better things to do than reading your posts.
Ignoring facts will not make them lies. Ignoring replies is not a counter. Saying something failed is not a self-evident truth nor does your pronouncement make it so.
Odeon, you are an idiot.
If a bigot said "Blacks are not brave and wouldn't ever swim with piranhas" and people were up in arms saying how bigoted the statement was and how blacks are just as brave as any other race, and how black people "SHOULD swim with piranhas", then a non-bigoted person CAN say "No, black people should NOT swim with piranhas because it is dangerous as fuck."
Both are asking for the same thing and one would be from a place of bigotry. The end result is NOT reflective of being bigoted nor of bigoted intent. You cannot follow this because you are ideologically blinded, but guaranteed most people can.
You keep saying Trump is bigoted. He may or may not be. But you do not have to be a bigot to agree with any of his ideas EVEN IF the whole reason he said them was either to be a bigot or appeal to bigots.
As to whether a ban at the border would help, HOW would one PROVE it. No, let's flip this around Odeon. What exactly are you asking? I can say that IF we KNOW within groups of desperate Muslim refugee families are radical Muslim extremists. If we KNOW that THOSE Muslims ABSOLUTELY mean harm to the host country and seek to individually and collectively subjugate and terrorise the host nation. We KNOW that vetting is substandard and effectively leaving the door open for people from those countries to walk through unchecked.
So that is what we have. Would a ban art the borders help? Logic dictates that IF those people motivated and wanting to harm a country are prevented from doing so them ABSOLUTELY. That is the intent. Can we PROVE they will not find some other way to hurt US citizens? Maybe they will find US citizens abroad and kill them? Maybe they will find another avenue to sneak into US? Maybe they have another political or financial way to hurt America? So can I absolutely prove that no harm would be done or that an equal harm could not be achieved?
Is THAT what you are asking me to prove? You would not be THAT disingenuous would you? You are not for one dishonest moment saying that the inability to prove it is reason enough to let people in unchecked and unvetted because there is a chance they may find ways to hurt America overseas so you may as well risk them in America?
That would be beyond stupid and it is both illogical and dishonest. Back on you. I have made my points well enough and you have been doing a lot of deflecting. Make your point and make it well.