Let's see how the whole ISIL business develops

[ZEGH8578]

Just two days ago I told my friend the following suspicion:

ISIL is a benefit to Israel. I'm not gonna tinfoil much more than that, in regards to the practicalities of it, the same way I can say the World Trade Center attacks were beneficial for the banking hegemony of the US+Europe, without going into speculations on the mechanics of it.

I hypothethized the following: Nobody is standing in the way of ISIL, and they are employing surprisingly ruthless tactics, allowing them to conquer vast areas of territory in a short ammount of time. They are destabilizing - hell - disintegrating two countries. Countries that just so happen to be the main obstacle in a future grand plan of a "Greater Israel".
They are rag-tag fucks (a big bulk of them are western disenfranchised muslims, many among them are "gangstas" and such sorts), who only succeed because they are fighting forces of outdated materials. ISIL vs the AllFuckingMight of the US-of-A would be another matter, we all know that, even if it would take the US 15 years of harrowind hell, they would crush them.

Now I find out that this is allready circulating, apparently Edward Snowden has outed ISIL's top leader (also the #1 most wanted on CIA's list, or #2, either way, up on the list) as a Mossad agent. Apparently also, Edward Snowden has said no such thing, ever - but - the "damage is done", and rumors fly that ISIL is a product of American, Israeli and UK collaboration, precisely to swarm across Syria, Iraq, and they are now recently making incursions into Lebanon.

All speculation, which is why I titled the thread this way - it's gonna be interesting to see where this goes.
These guys have been remarkably effective, and incredibly blunt in their approach, basically seeking to create a country of Sharia, Terrorism and Assholery, the wet dream of any ancient alien, making Hamaz, Hezbollah and Fatah combined seem like angry boy scouts. They also have few friends, even Al Qaeda considers them an aberration.



So far they control the eastern deserts of Syria, the western deserts of Iraq, but Baghdad itself is soon to fall.
They have declared an independent "caliphate", and have outlined a 5-year plan, where they have re-captured all historical muslim lands - period, all of it, somehow they plan to make a move on Spain, for example, be it across the mediterranean, or wandering through hostile Europe - either way, they seem to think they will not be nuked untill then.

It smells fishy. In the meantime, bodies pile up.

[Semicolon]

The US doesn't have a successful history of fighting guerrilla groups in recent wars. We certainly kill a lot of people, but we can't defeat all of them.

[ZEGH8578]

The US doesn't have a successful history of fighting guerrilla groups in recent wars. We certainly kill a lot of people, but we can't defeat all of them.

Not by conventional means, and not with ease. I get your point tho, but ISIL will ultimately face the same problem as nazi Germany - for their gigantic ambitions, they will ultimately run out of manpower. So far, the muslim world has shown time and again, that only a minority wants hard Sharia, nobody else wants it, people all over Iraq are fleeing (compare as well with the under-appreciated "northern alliance" of Afghanistan, muslims desperately fighting the Taleban, or Egypts imprisonment of Muslim Brotherhood leaders, treating the group as terrorist)

ISIL have a momentum that they are riding, and they are only as realistic as their fanatical faith allows them to be. If nukes were to be used for any cause - they will prove to be that cause. Israel has their "secret" stockpile of possibly 200 nukes - and Israel are most definitely included in ISIL's plans.

So... this builds up for action-jackson-ness, either way :I

ISIL have allready skirmished with the Turkish military, and are also threatening Saudi Arabia - the most Muslim nation on earth!

Now, not saying it'll come to nukes - but the theoretical threat they pose will warrant their absolute containment within the Middle-East by any means.

[Peter]

Not sure how you could use nukes against them without unacceptable civilian casualties; what would you do, nuke the cities they capture?  If you wanted to get them when they're out in the open in the desert somewhere, wouldn't carpet-bombing the area be just as effective and a lot less diplomatically costly than nuking them?

[ZEGH8578]

Not sure how you could use nukes against them without unacceptable civilian casualties; what would you do, nuke the cities they capture?  If you wanted to get them when they're out in the open in the desert somewhere, wouldn't carpet-bombing the area be just as effective and a lot less diplomatically costly than nuking them?

I'm not planning on nuking anybody man...

But Israel's arsenal has been described as a "dead man switch", that if ever Tel Aviv would be overrun, they would nuke their invader. I dunno the technicalities, but if Iz got a dead-mans arsenal, and ISIL stands at their door...

again:

Now, not saying it'll come to nukes - but the theoretical threat they pose will warrant their absolute containment within the Middle-East by any means.

[RageBeoulve]

All just a little too convenient. For Israel. 

[ZEGH8578]

All just a little too convenient. For Israel. 

THATsssss my point!
Exactly

It's like with WTC, I am NOT gonna speculate on the mechanics, I - am - not! The mechanics of it are probably exactly what we saw and heard: Buncha Saudis and Egyptians, pissed off, full of booze, vinegar and fanatical Islam, all that jazz,
BUT

It was convenient
For SOMEONE!

Had it been a car bomb, or even a series of car bombs, the "instant war!" had probably not been an acceptable result. The enormity of the event was what was needed. Cynical as hell, but this is true even without the tinfoil.

[RageBeoulve]

Yeah everyone starts to notice that their problems are likely being caused by Zionism, and WHOA OUT OF FUCKING NOWHERE WE GOT A BUNCH OF IDEOLOGICALLY DRIVEN THUGS WHO PROBABLY CAN'T DO PRE-ALGEBRA BUT HAVE A GIANT CACHE OF FIRST WORLD WEAPONS.

Obviously they don't have the ability to manufacture so many weapons of that class, so I guess they were a gift from Allah. 

[Lestat]

Personally I wouldn't shed all too many tears if ISIL/ISIS (they seem to have gone through at least three name changes in the last month or two) go marching on israel.

Hey, if it ends up with nukes getting dropped on tel aviv, good. Good riddance to that repugnant hive of verminous ancient alien crooks, let 'em stew. Israel is bound to crash and burn sooner or later, the sooner the better.