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This warmed the cockles of my heart.

If I Can't Accept You at Your Worst, Then Maybe You Should Stop Being So Horrible

I remember the first time I was awarded the "game ball" in my Little League. I don't recall the details exactly, but I'm pretty sure my stat sheet looked something like this:

Zero RBIs, zero home runs, zero hits, zero stolen bases, zero plays made on the field, seven errors, four innings spent sitting on the bench.

Most of my team probably performed similarly, but I know we put a few points on the board, so SOMEONE must have done something notable.

Alas, that kid -- whoever he was -- got jobbed this tragic afternoon. They gave the game ball to me. You can only imagine how I felt.

That is, confused.

We capped off the season with a trophy ceremony in the local middle school auditorium. One by one, they called every team up to receive their participation awards. You played a game for a few weeks and achieved no amount of success at all! Congratulations on your mediocrity, kid! It was a plastic gold-colored figurine of a guy hitting a baseball. Ironic, really, considering I hadn't actually made contact with a ball all season.

I still have my pity-trophy, it's right up there on my pity-mantle, next to my pity-game ball and the mandatory Valentine's Day cards I only received because elementary school rules required every child to give one to every other child.

When visitors come by, I show it to them and proudly say, "Look at all of the mandatory recognition showered upon me as a matter of routine policy!"

Then my guests will often cringe and weep, and the evening ends early and uncomfortably.

See, I think all of this nonsense -- this "everybody is special, everybody gets to have a trophy, everybody gets a card, everybody gets recognition" idiocy -- can produce only two possible results, neither desirable. One, it can make perceptive, self-aware children even more embarrassed and insecure. They know that they are undeserving of these accolades, and they'd rather not be patronized.

If a severely impoverished child wore a burlap sack to school, he would be utterly humiliated if his teacher, with all good intentions, decided to award him the honor of "best dressed." That's how many kids feel when their mediocrity is put on a pedestal and treated like it's something exceptional. They aren't fooled, as much as they'd like to be.

Then there's Category 2. These kids, perhaps not equipped with the same critical thinking capacities as the first type, will eventually buy into the hype. They will look at those trophies and gold stars, unearned and undeserved, and begin to develop an inflated image of themselves. What is born from this is not confidence, but narcissism and arrogance. These are the kids in possession of the much-heralded "self-esteem." Indeed, they hold themselves in high esteem. Why? Because they are themselves. They are spectacular, beautiful, athletic, and brilliant, all by their very nature. Whatever they do is the best thing anyone has ever done, simply because it was done by them. Whoever comes in contact with them ought to be grateful for the privilege. Success and happiness is what they are due, and the entire universe is in their debt. They are the people who expect the Lord to descend from heaven and hand them a game ball and a participation trophy every day.

I'm sure you've met this type. Maybe you've voted for this type. Maybe you work with, or under, this type. Maybe, God help you, they are in your family. Maybe you've been in a relationship with them.

In fact, it seems statistically likely that you have been in a relationship with them. The divorce rate speaks for itself. Beyond that, although there aren't any statistics (as far as I'm aware) for non-married break ups, it appears obvious that we are experiencing a crisis of failed relationships at every level and in every form. People don't know how to be in relationships anymore, and I think this epidemic can be traced, at least in part, to the delusions of grandeur we instill in our little snowflakes from an early age.

Shielded from failure, insulated from criticism, covered in emotional bubble wrap, our kids are venturing out into the world with little discipline and even less humility. You can see this manifest in many arenas, but I think it's most pronounced in the way we approach relationships.

Here's one example. It's minor, probably insignificant, but it represents something quite serious. I was perusing my Facebook Newsfeed today and I came across a status that said this:

"Yea I'm a b*tch but deal with it. I wont be with anyone who cant accept all of who I am!!!"

This was a grown woman. Apparently college educated. Older than me.

It reminded me of a meme we've all seen a thousand times. It has a few variations, but it usually goes something like this:

If you can't accept me at my worst, then you don't deserve me at my best.

This is such a popular sentiment that it has its own Facebook fan page with over 150,000 "likes."

It shows up all the time on memes and illustrations like this one:

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Of course, the original quote, widely attributed to Marilyn Monroe, is even more vapid and nauseating when taken in its full context:


    "I'm selfish, impatient and a little insecure. I make mistakes, I am out of control and at times hard to handle. But if you can't handle me at my worst, then you sure as hell don't deserve me at my best."

Out of all the profundities ever uttered, what does it say about our society that THIS is the quote we've decided to take to heart?

It says that we need to read more books.

Also, it says that we are horrible at relationships.

Yes, it's true that, in a marriage, we must love our spouses in spite of their flaws. It's also true that we all have flaws. But it's ALSO true that only an infantile, spoiled, egotistical brat would ever treat a loved one with "her worst" and expect them to deal with it because her "best" will somehow compensate for it.

Newsflash: It's not OK to be selfish, impatient, and out of control. These traits, while common, are UNacceptable. They should not be accepted, least of all by the people you claim to love. The onus is on YOU to change your behavior and your attitude, not on them to "handle it." Are you such a gem that they should thank God for the opportunity to be emotionally abused by you, if only it earns them a chance to bask in the glow of your superiority?

Perhaps that's how you see it, but I've never met anyone quite that charming.

This philosophy is poison, and it stretches beyond one offensive quote from a 20th century Playboy Bunny. Often I read or hear people whine that they 'just want to find someone who will accept them, no matter what.' But being "accepted" should not be our relationship goal. Healthy relationships are loving, but also challenging, edifying, and even occasionally painful.

Accept. Definition: to receive with approval or favor, to agree or consent to.

Should our selfishness, impatience, and weakness preclude us from being loved? No. But should these traits be "accepted"? Should they be "received with approval or favor"? Should our loved ones "consent" to them?

No.

Big no.

Enormous, loud, screaming no.

Should we scoff at our husbands or wives or boyfriends or girlfriends and flippantly tell them to "handle it," as we behave in ways that will hurt and offend them?

No. And if you think that -- if you REALLY think that -- then you shouldn't be getting into relationships at all. You aren't ready.

Further, does our "best" (which probably isn't as great as we imagine it to be) make up for, or negate, our "worst"?

No. Your worst is your worst. Fix it. Be better. Nobody should have to put up with it. Least of all the people you love.

Love is a transformative force, and if you want to experience it you better be ready to change in every way imaginable. My wife does not "accept me," and thank God for that. She challenges me. She makes me better. In other words, she loves me.

What kind of a pathetic and dreary goal is that, anyway -- just wanting to be "accepted," tolerated, put up with? That's not why we're put on this planet. Life is not about gaining "acceptance." Life is change. It is not static and stagnant, do you really want your relationships to be?

We don't emerge into the world as eternally entitled princes and princesses. We come into it as naked, crying, helpless babies. Our job is to grow out of that condition. And that will take a lot of changing and a lot of learning about what parts of us are unsuitable and insufficient and unacceptable. Sadly, some of us are unwilling to endure that process, so we never grow, and in failing to grow we fail to live. It's a tragedy.

Don't ask anyone to "accept" the bad parts of you. Instead, strive to improve those parts. Put in the effort. Make yourself worthy of the love they've offered you.

Forget what you learned in elementary school. The only "participation trophy" you're awarded from life is death. That's the one thing we all get just for showing up. In the meantime, if you want something better, you have to earn it.

That means if you want better relationships, you have to earn them, too.
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  I love this so much!  Especially  "The only 'participation trophy' you're awarded from life is death."  :green:
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To be, or not to be? That is the question—

Whether ’tis nobler in the mind to suffer

The slings and arrows of outrageous fortune,

Or to take arms against a sea of troubles,

And, by opposing, end them? To die, to sleep—

No more—and by a sleep to say we end
"I’m fearless in my heart.
They will always see that in my eyes.
I am the passion; I am the warfare.
I will never stop...
always constant, accurate, and intense."

  - Steve Vai, "The Audience is Listening"

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 :agreed: It is well written. Being real or yourself does not excuse bad behavior.

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This could get deep real quick. I could bring up the non-aggression principle, and talk about the state forcing peace through coercion and prattle about religion and trends, but I will bite my tongue.
"I’m fearless in my heart.
They will always see that in my eyes.
I am the passion; I am the warfare.
I will never stop...
always constant, accurate, and intense."

  - Steve Vai, "The Audience is Listening"

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This could get deep real quick. I could bring up the non-aggression principle, and talk about the state forcing peace through coercion and prattle about religion and trends, but I will bite my tongue.
Fuck you and your non aggression! Posting that is an attack missy! If you can't accept how I am don't post in my thread. Check your privilege!

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This could get deep real quick. I could bring up the non-aggression principle, and talk about the state forcing peace through coercion and prattle about religion and trends, but I will bite my tongue.
Fuck you and your non aggression! Posting that is an attack missy! If you can't accept how I am don't post in my thread. Check your privilege!


I totally shiggy diggyd.

"I’m fearless in my heart.
They will always see that in my eyes.
I am the passion; I am the warfare.
I will never stop...
always constant, accurate, and intense."

  - Steve Vai, "The Audience is Listening"

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I SAID OVEREASY! :zoinks:
"I’m fearless in my heart.
They will always see that in my eyes.
I am the passion; I am the warfare.
I will never stop...
always constant, accurate, and intense."

  - Steve Vai, "The Audience is Listening"

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I think there is something else that has to be examined in all of that. Was the person "nice at first" then turn into a shithead that the partner (taken on board with false advertising and or window dressing" ought to endure or were they always this way?
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Think it is I2 of old? Even Odeon is not so delusional as to think otherwise. He may on occasionally pretend otherwise but his base is that knitting circle.

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ooh! one of the bots was reading this topic. (i like to read over their shoulders sometimes)
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For me, "I accept you as you are" means "If i'm your friend today, I'll still be your friend tomorrow, nect year, 20 years hence, even if you never stop being so annoying" doesn't mean i won;t try to steer friends and lovers in a positive direction.  And doesn't mean they have the right to walk all over me.

If they consider that it means they have a right to walk all over me, then I'll swiftly conclude that I've made a big mistake, and wave goodbye.

But if they just carry on being the same old idiot, then what the heck.  People don't change that much that fast, and we all have enormous inner hurdles to overcome . Nobody knows, not really.  I've sometimes waited 20 years or more for a friends to finally change their way of thinking in critical ways that made them both happier and easier to get along with . You can tell them that they need to change, it might be totally obvious to anybody else, but  people need to come to their own conclusions, usually.  They need to jump a whole lot of invisibly tiny hurdles before they see the big one looming ahead and realise they have to jump over it.  That can't be forced

Then you have to put up with them being really full of themselves for a while, because they came to this great big awsome conclusion, and made this great big awesome change in themselves  :LOL:. And, yup, they actually do deserve a trophy for that, not a big gold cup, ofc, just a nice solid trophy that isn't made of plastic, with an inscription that reads "welcome to the human race" when you look at it closely.   Don't burst that bubble. It naturally deflates over time, don't we all know it?

I mean, people do change for the better  by slow degrees, at least all the people who are really worth knowing do, but it's dumb to count on it. absurd to hang on it,.

I think love is a wonderful  force for change. There's notthing more motivating that to realise that you've hurt somebody you love , just by being your usual oafish self. I would hope that the people i love would always be ready to point that out to me, as savagely as they like...and then ve willing wait for however many years it might take me to figure out how to do better, given the hand i;ve been dealt . It's a lot to ask, i know,  but  i do  try to offer something like that, in advance of the return that i might or might not get.

 And that's what I call "acceptance''  . do prefer my own defintion , but that article makes some very good points, working within  its own definition.

Yep, i actually do expect a body to accept me as the dickhead that I am, given that  they claim to love me; just as i accept them for the dickhead they are; but that's a dynamic sort of acceptance, not let's sit and watch the sunset til we rot.  And so  I come to the exact same conclusion as the author

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That means if you want better relationships, you have to earn them, too.

yup.  But slowly, achingly slowly, like paying off a mortgage, then finding that you need a bigger house.  I don't think we ever get to the point of deserving anything, you just have to hope it doesn't matter.  And  it doesn't, because we;re all some sort of idiot, after all,  and love doesn't keep accounts.
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There are some good points in there, but...

A lot of it depends on what things would make you a better friend or significant other. If someone wants you to be more sociable, or more upbeat, or more friendly, or a better dancer, that might not be doable without making you miserable and stressed. On the other hand if you are peeing on the toilet seat or being abusive or a variety of other obnoxious behaviours that you CAN and SHOULD be expected to change, then it is perfectly reasonable for others to be expect more of you.

It is a lot more nuanced than the article makes out. There is give and take from all sides. You cannot be all things to all people.

Me? I tend to accept people as they are, until I cannot accept them any more or until (this is much more likely) I wake up and smell the coffee and realize that they were probably an arsehole all along. Then I just move on and cut them out of my life if that is at all possible.
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But if they just carry on being the same old idiot, then what the heck.  People don't change that much that fast, and we all have enormous inner hurdles to overcome . Nobody knows, not really.  I've sometimes waited 20 years or more for a friends to finally change their way of thinking in critical ways that made them both happier and easier to get along with . You can tell them that they need to change, it might be totally obvious to anybody else, but  people need to come to their own conclusions, usually.  They need to jump a whole lot of invisibly tiny hurdles before they see the big one looming ahead and realise they have to jump over it.  That can't be forced

Then you have to put up with them being really full of themselves for a while, because they came to this great big awsome conclusion, and made this great big awesome change in themselves  :LOL:.

 :lol1: and so true. I haven't hit 20 years on anybody yet. But then I'm younger than you. :smarty:
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