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14 Caribbean nations sue European countries for slavery reparations

"Lawsuits seek reparations from Britain, France, Netherlands for their roles in Atlantic slave trade"

Fourteen Caribbean nations are suing the governments of the United Kingdom, France and the Netherlands for reparations over what the plaintiffs say is the lingering legacy of the Atlantic slave trade.

In a speech Friday at United Nations General Assembly, Prime Minister of Saint Vincent and the Grenadines Ralph Gonsalves said the European nations must pay for their deeds.

“The awful legacy of these crimes against humanity – a legacy which exists today in our Caribbean – ought to be repaired for the developmental benefit of our Caribbean societies and all our peoples,” Gonsalves said. “The European nations must partner in a focused, especial way with us to execute this repairing.”

The lawsuits – which are likely to amount to a lengthy battle – are being brought by The Caribbean Community, or Caricom, a regional organization that focuses mostly on issues such as economic integration. They will be brought to the U.N.'s International Court of Justice, based in The Hague in the Netherlands. It is not immediately clear when court proceedings will begin.

The countries will focus on Britain for its role in slavery in the English-speaking Caribbean, France for slavery in Haiti and the Netherlands for Suriname, a Caricom member and former Dutch colony on the northeastern edge of South America.

They have hired British law firm Leigh Day, which waged a successful fight for compensation for hundreds of Kenyans who were tortured by the British colonial government as they fought for the liberation of their country during the Mau Mau rebellion of the 1950s and 1960s.

According to Martyn Day, a lawyer from the firm, the first step will be to seek a negotiated settlement with the governments of France, Britain and the Netherlands along the lines of the British agreement in June to issue a statement of regret and award compensation of about $21.5 million to the surviving Kenyans.

"I think they would undoubtedly want to try and see if this can be resolved amicably," Day said of the Caribbean countries, speaking to The Associated Press in July. "But I think the reason they have hired us is that they want to show that they mean business."

Caribbean countries Jamaica, Antigua and Barbuda already have national commissions on reparations, and each country that does not have a commission has agreed to set one up. The 14 Caricom nations voted unanimously to wage the joint campaign, saying it would be more ambitious than any previous attempt.

In the United States, the idea of reparations has surfaced and disappeared numerous times.

After the end of the Civil War, about 400,000 acres of land along the Florida, Georgia and South Carolina coasts was taken from former slave owners and set aside for freed slaves, who would each be granted a 40-acre plot of land to farm and make a living. It was the first attempt in the U.S. at reparations, and was reversed by President Andrew Johnson after President Abraham Lincoln was assassinated in 1865.

Most recently in 2008, then-candidate Barack Obama said he did not support reparations for the descendants of slaves, which put him at odds with the NAACP, The Urban League, the SCLC and about two dozen members of Congress who sponsored legislation to create a commission on slavery.

The House issued an apology for slavery in July 2008, and the Senate followed suit in 2009, but neither mentioned reparations.

Caribbean officials have not specified a monetary figure for the lawsuits, but Gonsalves and Verene Shepherd, chairwoman of the national reparations commission in Jamaica, both mentioned the fact that Britain at the time of emancipation in 1834 paid 20 million pounds – the equivalent of 200 billion pounds today – to British planters in the Caribbean.

"Our ancestors got nothing," Shepherd said. "They got their freedom and they were told ‘Go develop yourselves.'"

http://america.aljazeera.com/articles/2013/9/27/14-caribbean-nationssueeuropeancountriesforreparationsoverslaver.html
Can't you guys even just imagine it?

Forget practicality, or your experience....can you just....imagine?

It's there. It always was.

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Re: 14 Caribbean nations sue European countries for slavery reparations
« Reply #1 on: October 09, 2013, 08:38:17 AM »
What makes me angry is that they said an apology was issued in 2008 and 2009 in the US. Fuckers. Don't nobody know about no apology! If the people you are apologising to don't even know you apologised, then it's not an apology.

Apology rejected. Nobody knows about it!!! If you're going to apologise u make sure its on every public news station, radio station, and bill board. Make sure kids know about in school and commemorate it each year. Fuckers wrote a note and put it in a box. Thats not a fucking apology. Makes me sick. Assholes.
Can't you guys even just imagine it?

Forget practicality, or your experience....can you just....imagine?

It's there. It always was.

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Re: 14 Caribbean nations sue European countries for slavery reparations
« Reply #2 on: October 09, 2013, 09:14:07 AM »
We only enslaved other Europeans  :viking:

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Re: 14 Caribbean nations sue European countries for slavery reparations
« Reply #3 on: October 09, 2013, 10:56:31 AM »
What makes me angry is that they said an apology was issued in 2008 and 2009 in the US. Fuckers. Don't nobody know about no apology! If the people you are apologising to don't even know you apologised, then it's not an apology.

Apology rejected. Nobody knows about it!!! If you're going to apologise u make sure its on every public news station, radio station, and bill board. Make sure kids know about in school and commemorate it each year. Fuckers wrote a note and put it in a box. Thats not a fucking apology. Makes me sick. Assholes.

So we should apologize for things dead people did to other dead people? Shall we put on a play afterwards, since we're in the spirit of acting?
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Re: 14 Caribbean nations sue European countries for slavery reparations
« Reply #4 on: October 09, 2013, 05:36:08 PM »
We only enslaved other Europeans  :viking:

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Re: 14 Caribbean nations sue European countries for slavery reparations
« Reply #5 on: October 09, 2013, 05:38:52 PM »
What makes me angry is that they said an apology was issued in 2008 and 2009 in the US. Fuckers. Don't nobody know about no apology! If the people you are apologising to don't even know you apologised, then it's not an apology.

Apology rejected. Nobody knows about it!!! If you're going to apologise u make sure its on every public news station, radio station, and bill board. Make sure kids know about in school and commemorate it each year. Fuckers wrote a note and put it in a box. Thats not a fucking apology. Makes me sick. Assholes.

So we should apologize for things dead people did to other dead people? Shall we put on a play afterwards, since we're in the spirit of acting?

The dead don't care about apologies and the ones behind this only care about the GREEN $$$$$$$$$$$$
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Re: 14 Caribbean nations sue European countries for slavery reparations
« Reply #6 on: October 09, 2013, 05:47:56 PM »
I am wondering when you say "reparations", where you think this money is coming from as most European countries are struggling to support themselves. I was in Athens recently. It is dirty. Graffiti and boarded up offices everywhere. They are on the ropes.
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Re: 14 Caribbean nations sue European countries for slavery reparations
« Reply #7 on: October 09, 2013, 06:05:52 PM »
Property can be inherited.  Why not debt? 



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Re: 14 Caribbean nations sue European countries for slavery reparations
« Reply #8 on: October 09, 2013, 06:08:38 PM »
Property can be inherited.  Why not debt?

Sure lets make entire life histories be inherited too. For shits and giggles lets have a permanent family tree record. Babies can be immediately imprisoned because their parents broke the law. That's the ticket. :orly:
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Re: 14 Caribbean nations sue European countries for slavery reparations
« Reply #9 on: October 09, 2013, 06:10:08 PM »
Property can be inherited.  Why not debt?

Sure lets make entire life histories be inherited too. For shits and giggles lets have a permanent family tree record. Babies can be immediately imprisoned because their parents broke the law. That's the ticket. :orly:

No one's going to jail.  These countries are asking for compensation for the wealth extracted by European countries using the slave trade and other shady business. 



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Re: 14 Caribbean nations sue European countries for slavery reparations
« Reply #10 on: October 09, 2013, 06:11:31 PM »
Property can be inherited.  Why not debt?

Sure lets make entire life histories be inherited too. For shits and giggles lets have a permanent family tree record. Babies can be immediately imprisoned because their parents broke the law. That's the ticket. :orly:

No one's going to jail.  These countries are asking for compensation for the wealth extracted by European countries using the slave trade and other shady business.

I'm just going a step further in that way of thinking, dude. Its racism to the core.
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Re: 14 Caribbean nations sue European countries for slavery reparations
« Reply #11 on: October 09, 2013, 06:12:21 PM »
Property can be inherited.  Why not debt?

Sure lets make entire life histories be inherited too. For shits and giggles lets have a permanent family tree record. Babies can be immediately imprisoned because their parents broke the law. That's the ticket. :orly:

No one's going to jail.  These countries are asking for compensation for the wealth extracted by European countries using the slave trade and other shady business.

I'm just going a step further in that way of thinking, dude. Its racism to the core.

In what sense?



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Re: 14 Caribbean nations sue European countries for slavery reparations
« Reply #12 on: October 09, 2013, 06:14:05 PM »
Property can be inherited.  Why not debt?

Sure lets make entire life histories be inherited too. For shits and giggles lets have a permanent family tree record. Babies can be immediately imprisoned because their parents broke the law. That's the ticket. :orly:

No one's going to jail.  These countries are asking for compensation for the wealth extracted by European countries using the slave trade and other shady business.

I'm just going a step further in that way of thinking, dude. Its racism to the core.

In what sense?

Thinking that dead people screwing around with dead people merits live people taking a knee and paying homage to live people, based on race or country of origin.

Racism. Con artistry. Stupidity.
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Re: 14 Caribbean nations sue European countries for slavery reparations
« Reply #13 on: October 09, 2013, 06:19:10 PM »
Well personally I think that we should look at every culture and every nation that has ever use slavery.
Now it is very well known that the Caribbean descendants of slaves had ancestors that were African. The were made slaves by Europeans.
OK.
It is also well known that the Africans themselves had slaves of different tribes. So out of fairness we are going to also look at this at the same time. 
In fact we know that just about every culture at one point had slaves, so we are happy to trace who and where these slaves were from and trace the linage......I mean to be fair.
I2 today is not i2 of yesteryear. It is a knitting circle. Those that participate be they nice or asshats know their place and the price to be there. Odeon is the overlord

.Benevolent if you toe the line.

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Censoring/banning/restricting/moderating myself, Calanadale & Scrapheap were all not his finest moments.

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Re: 14 Caribbean nations sue European countries for slavery reparations
« Reply #14 on: October 09, 2013, 06:21:26 PM »
Yeah, right? If we're gonna start getting into blaming people for shit their dead ancestors did, lets be fair and do it to everyone. And by that I mean, EVERYONE.  ;)
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