“Only the dead have seen the end of war.” - Plato (philosopher) 428 B.C.E. - 348 B.C.E.
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One independent farmer might not need a government for HIMSELFSociety needs government thouhg
Quote from: Adam on September 25, 2013, 02:38:30 PMOne independent farmer might not need a government for HIMSELFSociety needs government thouhgWhy? If you don't need a government as an individual you don't need a government as a collective either.
Quote from: Lit on September 25, 2013, 02:46:49 PMQuote from: Adam on September 25, 2013, 02:38:30 PMOne independent farmer might not need a government for HIMSELFSociety needs government thouhgWhy? If you don't need a government as an individual you don't need a government as a collective either. How does that make sense?
If other countries have governments then that farmer will need one too. In case of invasion from one of those countries. One farmer can't defeat a well organised and well trained army.
Quote from: Adam on September 25, 2013, 02:51:15 PMQuote from: Lit on September 25, 2013, 02:46:49 PMQuote from: Adam on September 25, 2013, 02:38:30 PMOne independent farmer might not need a government for HIMSELFSociety needs government thouhgWhy? If you don't need a government as an individual you don't need a government as a collective either. How does that make sense?It makes perfect sense. If he can survive on that farm for his whole life and all others can do that too, why should they have a government then? What should it do?
Quote from: Lit on September 25, 2013, 02:54:44 PMQuote from: Adam on September 25, 2013, 02:51:15 PMQuote from: Lit on September 25, 2013, 02:46:49 PMQuote from: Adam on September 25, 2013, 02:38:30 PMOne independent farmer might not need a government for HIMSELFSociety needs government thouhgWhy? If you don't need a government as an individual you don't need a government as a collective either. How does that make sense?It makes perfect sense. If he can survive on that farm for his whole life and all others can do that too, why should they have a government then? What should it do? The world does not work like that. Get real
so before big bad government came along, everything was peaceful and perfect?
I am not brainwashed by the state. I'm being fucking realistic. Just becuase someone disagrees with you dosen't mean they're brainwashed or stupid.
so before big bad government came along, everything was peaceful and perfect?I am not brainwashed by the state. I'm being fucking realistic. Just becuase someone disagrees with you dosen't mean they're brainwashed or stupid.
https://www.commondreams.org/headline/2013/07/19-2Full article belowQuoteHumans Not Predisposed to War, New Study FindsResearchers show war is more recent of an invention than previously thought- Jacob Chamberlain, staff writer(Photo via Flickr / jf1234 / Creative Commons License)Countering the prevailing notion that humankind is naturally predisposed to war, new research suggests that primitive humans existed mostly peacefully, with war developing much later than previously thought.The study's author, Patrik Soderberg, who worked with a team from Abo Academy University in Finland and published their research in the journal Science, said their research questioned "the idea that human nature, by default, is developed in the presence of making war and that war is a driving force in human evolution."The findings, Soderberg said, challenge "the idea that war was ever-present in our ancestral past."The study, "paints another picture where the quarrels and aggression were primarily about interpersonal motives instead of groups fighting against each other," said Soderberg.The research pulls from observations of modern day people and tribes who are still isolated from contemporary society—living like hunter-gatherers did thousands of years ago—as the best living examples of how humans interacted in primitive times."About 12,000 years ago, we assume all humans were living in this kind of society, and that these kind of societies made up about for about 90% of our evolutionary path," Soderberg said.The study found that of all the recorded deaths in these groups, most were considered individual "homicides," while only a few were caused by ongoing feuds. And, as Soderberg writes, "only the minority could be labeled as war.""Over half the events were perpetrated by lone individuals and in 85% of the cases, the victims were members of the same society."The researchers said that studying today's hunter-gatherer communities was not a perfect method for understanding ancient societies, "but said the similarities were significant and did provide an insight into our past," BBC News adds.“It has been tempting to use these mobile foraging societies as rough analogies of the past and to ask how old warfare is and whether it is part of human nature. Our study shows that war is obviously not very common,” said study co-author Douglas Fry._____________________This work is licensed under a Creative Commons Attribution-Share Alike 3.0 License
Humans Not Predisposed to War, New Study FindsResearchers show war is more recent of an invention than previously thought- Jacob Chamberlain, staff writer(Photo via Flickr / jf1234 / Creative Commons License)Countering the prevailing notion that humankind is naturally predisposed to war, new research suggests that primitive humans existed mostly peacefully, with war developing much later than previously thought.The study's author, Patrik Soderberg, who worked with a team from Abo Academy University in Finland and published their research in the journal Science, said their research questioned "the idea that human nature, by default, is developed in the presence of making war and that war is a driving force in human evolution."The findings, Soderberg said, challenge "the idea that war was ever-present in our ancestral past."The study, "paints another picture where the quarrels and aggression were primarily about interpersonal motives instead of groups fighting against each other," said Soderberg.The research pulls from observations of modern day people and tribes who are still isolated from contemporary society—living like hunter-gatherers did thousands of years ago—as the best living examples of how humans interacted in primitive times."About 12,000 years ago, we assume all humans were living in this kind of society, and that these kind of societies made up about for about 90% of our evolutionary path," Soderberg said.The study found that of all the recorded deaths in these groups, most were considered individual "homicides," while only a few were caused by ongoing feuds. And, as Soderberg writes, "only the minority could be labeled as war.""Over half the events were perpetrated by lone individuals and in 85% of the cases, the victims were members of the same society."The researchers said that studying today's hunter-gatherer communities was not a perfect method for understanding ancient societies, "but said the similarities were significant and did provide an insight into our past," BBC News adds.“It has been tempting to use these mobile foraging societies as rough analogies of the past and to ask how old warfare is and whether it is part of human nature. Our study shows that war is obviously not very common,” said study co-author Douglas Fry._____________________This work is licensed under a Creative Commons Attribution-Share Alike 3.0 License
