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Re: I was at a meeting about the NHS tonight and
« Reply #30 on: August 01, 2013, 06:41:06 AM »
Although I hate the state, I like almost free healthcare  :angel:

Isn't it supported through taxes?

We've had this discussion in another thread already

It's still "free healthcare"

We know it's paid for by taxes - we're not stupid

I was responding to Lit. :P

I know you were

I din't mean "we" as in you and me - i meant on the forum in general. ie it's an "argument" that has come up before and is kinda pointless

Yes and no. You get aspects of it that are the same, such as discussing who actually pays for it. There are others that change depending on the specifics of the system.

The poor in America have limited access to health care, while they may have more options in the UK. On the other hand, your system may have some taxpayers subsidizing the bad habits of other members of society. Your taxes don't change depending on whether your lifestyle gives you a higher or lower risk of certain health problems, correct? Is that better or worse than the American system?

If health care is a basic human right, shouldn't the government provide it? On the other hand, the government doesn't provide food or shelter except to the poor.

I know that you know that the system is paid for by taxes, but I don't know if you've thought about all of the ramifications of that system. I think that there are some aspects of universal health care that are worth looking into.
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Re: I was at a meeting about the NHS tonight and
« Reply #31 on: August 01, 2013, 11:13:58 AM »
Who are you addressing, Shleed?

I think Bodie.

I don't think privatization is a good thing!

I was meaning more on why The Tories would do such measures when most people need the NHS. It's crazy. Not trying to say you agree with it or not.

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Re: I was at a meeting about the NHS tonight and
« Reply #32 on: August 01, 2013, 12:00:26 PM »
Who are you addressing, Shleed?

I think Bodie.

I don't think privatization is a good thing!

I was meaning more on why The Tories would do such measures when most people need the NHS. It's crazy. Not trying to say you agree with it or not.

I think they see it as a way to make a profit.  Once the nhs has to make a profit all the founding principles will be down the drain.
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Re: I was at a meeting about the NHS tonight and
« Reply #33 on: August 14, 2013, 11:10:30 PM »
Catching up on the threads... :P

What is happening with the NHS? I can't be bothered to google it at the moment.
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Re: I was at a meeting about the NHS tonight and
« Reply #34 on: August 15, 2013, 01:50:10 AM »
Catching up on the threads... :P

What is happening with the NHS? I can't be bothered to google it at the moment.

They are making people poorly again  :P
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Re: I was at a meeting about the NHS tonight and
« Reply #35 on: August 15, 2013, 05:11:09 AM »
The fucking cunt Tories are privatizing it

They're chiding fish the a&e at my local girl as well

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Re: I was at a meeting about the NHS tonight and
« Reply #36 on: August 15, 2013, 06:03:40 AM »
It's a global movement of the very rich.  Fuck capitalism. 

Careful, you guys.  Next it'll be prisons. 



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Re: I was at a meeting about the NHS tonight and
« Reply #37 on: August 15, 2013, 10:51:12 AM »
:agreed:

the tories privatise everything here

they did it last time (under thatcher) and theyre selling off the rest now theyre back

fucking evil scum of the earth

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Re: I was at a meeting about the NHS tonight and
« Reply #38 on: August 15, 2013, 11:18:47 AM »
You must murder them! :arrr:

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Re: I was at a meeting about the NHS tonight and
« Reply #39 on: August 15, 2013, 12:58:28 PM »
Vote them out of the office is probably easier.
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Re: I was at a meeting about the NHS tonight and
« Reply #40 on: August 15, 2013, 01:42:18 PM »
I try but I only have one vote :(


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Re: I was at a meeting about the NHS tonight and
« Reply #41 on: August 15, 2013, 01:51:49 PM »
Your taxes don't change depending on whether your lifestyle gives you a higher or lower risk of certain health problems, correct? Is that better or worse than the American system?



I think far better. It would be morally wrong IMO, to charge someone with a higher risk of developing cancer, heart disease, etc. higher taxes.

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Re: I was at a meeting about the NHS tonight and
« Reply #42 on: August 15, 2013, 10:22:47 PM »
Vote them out of the office is probably easier.

Nah, I say people should vote directly on legislation.  Maybe not get rid of representation altogether, but of course the voice of the people must be first and last.  Reps might behave better if they knew their job was to serve us, instead of to hold power over us. 



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Re: I was at a meeting about the NHS tonight and
« Reply #43 on: August 16, 2013, 12:54:04 PM »
Vote them out of the office is probably easier.

Nah, I say people should vote directly on legislation.  Maybe not get rid of representation altogether, but of course the voice of the people must be first and last.  Reps might behave better if they knew their job was to serve us, instead of to hold power over us.

In theory, that would be a good idea. In Real Life (TM), however, people are morons who'd be easily swayed if there were difficult and unpopular decisions to be made. People should *never* be allowed to vote on legislation directly.

It's the big problem with democracy. People are morons and the majority should not be allowed to vote on anything more complex than the grocery list, and even that can prove to be too difficult for some.
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Re: I was at a meeting about the NHS tonight and
« Reply #44 on: August 16, 2013, 02:54:04 PM »
:agreed: