Thread that GA cannot lock. Debate continued in here. GA's Diaper time...

[TheoK]

You're jealous because Hadron is BRAVE!

[odeon]

He'd have to be, to walk that drunken lord home and put him to bed.

[Christopher McCandless]

huh? i think i have a pretty good grip on reality tbh

again, i don't see how my being trans in any way harms non-trans autistic people. just like aspies who are fat, ugly, dyslexic, short or bald aren't harming me

i don't expect anyone to place my rights as a transgendered person above the rights of non-trans people. what demands am i making that are gonna n any way harm non-trans people (autistic or not)?

btw no one decides to be trans (unless by trans you mean cross dressers etc)
the only decisions a trans person makes are about whether or not to be open about it or hide it

You cannot wake up one morning and decide that your arbitary group, united by an arbitrary and pointless decision that you have taken, suddenly have a special set of rights. Where do they come from? Why your arbitary group - as opposed to another group with a different arbitrary belief.

[Christopher McCandless]

also the homophobia/transphobia cop-out of "it's not xxx-phobia coz i'm not scared of you" doesn't really work here hadron. you clearly are scared of gays/trannies as you have some insane idea that we're a threat to you. sounds like a phobia to me  

I am merely spelling out political reality. People like GA are damaging to the cause.

[Christopher McCandless]

Its about a cause rather than representation. It is about the rights of people with AS not to be discrimated against unduly in all aspects of their life for having it. That is a cause that all of us should agree on. What is left to agree is how we get there. Having the right people in play doing the right things makes it all more likely.

People like GA are sending us backwards.

If you're really fighting a cause, some political correctness might be in order. Yes, blind leading blind here. Your last sentence contradicts your first one. It is about representation, and would bet everyone here has encountered someone online who they wouldn't want to see as a representative of the autistic spectrum. Your views are no doubt yours, but if you layed off the offensive attacks someone might hear the rest of what you're saying. Most of the people you have been fighting with here have stated sexuality and ASD are two different things. Isn't that what you're saying? You think they should be separate? You don't want them mutually represented? Maybe the point was missed yesterday on this end.

That is one point yes. But I also think the AS cause has a far greater legitimacy, along with all disabled rights. It needs to be ranked rightfully as a result.

As for political correctness, no one has a right not be offended. It is the weak majority standing up for their apparent right here which also happens to be a problem. People attempting to use such a right should be punished for doing so.

[Christopher McCandless]

Well, considering that ordinary people without AS can be transgendered too, I doubt a significant correlation with AS would be made, if at all. However the risk is there because the media is known to distort information to suit their own agendas for ratings. But even then, this potential correlation problem can be eliminated when multiple advocates are involved in the process. If each one is distinctively different from the other to show diversity, then the problem is solved.

So technically I see no issue.

Multiple advocates and the like sound like a recipe for becoming a second class citizen, not a first class one. Not exactly useful to the stronger of us who are not content to be second class citizens. If we are to win on that one, we need a strong movement and a clear message. But more importantly, we need the self-respect that some here seem to lack...

[Christopher McCandless]

[...]at the end of the day it will be understood, that he simply did nothing.

Yeah...What does he do? He claims this 'cause' and the 'work' he's doing, but has he ever said what that actually entails?

I am not in a position to reveal my hand at this stage - largely because the situation is quite serious. Though I am happy to vaguely outline to sensible people via PM what I am doing and what is going down at the minute.

['andersom']

Well, considering that ordinary people without AS can be transgendered too, I doubt a significant correlation with AS would be made, if at all. However the risk is there because the media is known to distort information to suit their own agendas for ratings. But even then, this potential correlation problem can be eliminated when multiple advocates are involved in the process. If each one is distinctively different from the other to show diversity, then the problem is solved.

So technically I see no issue.

Multiple advocates and the like sound like a recipe for becoming a second class citizen, not a first class one. Not exactly useful to the stronger of us who are not content to be second class citizens. If we are to win on that one, we need a strong movement and a clear message. But more importantly, we need the self-respect that some here seem to lack...

Sorry, thinking in classes?

British old style?

['andersom']

[...]at the end of the day it will be understood, that he simply did nothing.

Yeah...What does he do? He claims this 'cause' and the 'work' he's doing, but has he ever said what that actually entails?

I am not in a position to reveal my hand at this stage - largely because the situation is quite serious. Though I am happy to vaguely outline to sensible people via PM what I am doing and what is going down at the minute.

Pray, do humour my curiosity, how many people do you consider to be sensible on I2, and worthy of your unveiling a bit more of the serious things that are going to be?

[Christopher McCandless]

Well, considering that ordinary people without AS can be transgendered too, I doubt a significant correlation with AS would be made, if at all. However the risk is there because the media is known to distort information to suit their own agendas for ratings. But even then, this potential correlation problem can be eliminated when multiple advocates are involved in the process. If each one is distinctively different from the other to show diversity, then the problem is solved.

So technically I see no issue.

Multiple advocates and the like sound like a recipe for becoming a second class citizen, not a first class one. Not exactly useful to the stronger of us who are not content to be second class citizens. If we are to win on that one, we need a strong movement and a clear message. But more importantly, we need the self-respect that some here seem to lack...

Sorry, thinking in classes?

British old style?

The class system is alive and kicking in this country. Anyone who says it has died off is lying, frankly...

['andersom']

Well, considering that ordinary people without AS can be transgendered too, I doubt a significant correlation with AS would be made, if at all. However the risk is there because the media is known to distort information to suit their own agendas for ratings. But even then, this potential correlation problem can be eliminated when multiple advocates are involved in the process. If each one is distinctively different from the other to show diversity, then the problem is solved.

So technically I see no issue.

Multiple advocates and the like sound like a recipe for becoming a second class citizen, not a first class one. Not exactly useful to the stronger of us who are not content to be second class citizens. If we are to win on that one, we need a strong movement and a clear message. But more importantly, we need the self-respect that some here seem to lack...

Sorry, thinking in classes?

British old style?

The class system is alive and kicking in this country. Anyone who says it has died off is lying, frankly...

I'm not British, I don't understand the subtleties of your society.

Of course there are groups here, and there is stigmatising here, because of all kinds of things, also historical things, but we don't have the British class system. And that system does go beyond my comprehension indeed. Still, can't see how the main ideas of you make sense, in any country.

Oh, and maybe it is needed to work with the class-system for politicians, don't know. But, what you work with, is also what you keep alive. So, do you want the class system to exist?

[Osensitive1]

As for political correctness, no one has a right not be offended. It is the weak majority standing up for their apparent right here which also happens to be a problem. People attempting to use such a right should be punished for doing so.

The bolded part in the first sentence is so confusing, it makes it impossible to comment on the second sentence since they seem to be related. Did you intend the double negative and mean for that to be tricky, or is it typograpical error? Don't take that as sarcasm; am stumped and it's bothersome. The third sentence sounds like some hateful stuff, but also seems connected to the tricky part.

[Callaway]

Hadron often takes a contrary view of things against all logic, so it may be impossible to really make sense of it in some cases.

I think in the bolded sentence he meant to say that no one has a right not to be offended, though.

[Christopher McCandless]

Well, considering that ordinary people without AS can be transgendered too, I doubt a significant correlation with AS would be made, if at all. However the risk is there because the media is known to distort information to suit their own agendas for ratings. But even then, this potential correlation problem can be eliminated when multiple advocates are involved in the process. If each one is distinctively different from the other to show diversity, then the problem is solved.

So technically I see no issue.

Multiple advocates and the like sound like a recipe for becoming a second class citizen, not a first class one. Not exactly useful to the stronger of us who are not content to be second class citizens. If we are to win on that one, we need a strong movement and a clear message. But more importantly, we need the self-respect that some here seem to lack...

Sorry, thinking in classes?

British old style?

The class system is alive and kicking in this country. Anyone who says it has died off is lying, frankly...

I'm not British, I don't understand the subtleties of your society.

Of course there are groups here, and there is stigmatising here, because of all kinds of things, also historical things, but we don't have the British class system. And that system does go beyond my comprehension indeed. Still, can't see how the main ideas of you make sense, in any country.

Think trains basically. You have 1st class where you get a plush seat and table service, 2nd class where you might have to stand up and 3rd class when you are hanging on outside the carraiges.

Oh, and maybe it is needed to work with the class-system for politicians, don't know. But, what you work with, is also what you keep alive. So, do you want the class system to exist?

Of course not - I am socialist.

[Christopher McCandless]

As for political correctness, no one has a right not be offended. It is the weak majority standing up for their apparent right here which also happens to be a problem. People attempting to use such a right should be punished for doing so.

The bolded part in the first sentence is so confusing, it makes it impossible to comment on the second sentence since they seem to be related. Did you intend the double negative and mean for that to be tricky, or is it typograpical error? Don't take that as sarcasm; am stumped and it's bothersome. The third sentence sounds like some hateful stuff, but also seems connected to the tricky part.

No the wording is delibrate - to phrase it better, I believe right X should not exist, where right X happens to be freedom from being offended. Its not hateful stuff. Its people trying to undermine proper debate on evidence.