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bring back nudity and sexuality!
« on: December 09, 2009, 01:43:10 PM »
just now im seeing this intro to this body-fixation show, it shows a row of naked bodies in the intro, and i just so happened to notice naked female groin areas, but... without any trace of genitals.

if i was part of that tv crew, and they were making that intro, i would tell them PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE, either show genitals, or dont show the groin. do NOT show a weird skin-colored mannequinish groin on a living human. its just... horrible.

i also notice in many adults to be overprotective, so that kids are not only protected against porn and stuff, but anything that MAY be sexually explicit, such as telling them how they came to exist.
what harm is there to let a kid know how they came to exist? i knew since i was 4 or 5 how i was made. my reaction was the natural kid-reaction "eww!" and i didnt think much about it anymore.

by overprotecting kids against ALL HINTS of sexuality, you give them the idea that sexuality is bad or illegal, its rebellion, and thats when you get oversexualized teens, using sex to define themselves. internet and pervs have some of the blame as well, of course.
i remember reading on WP about people believing in the stork untill they were like 10 or so, and it baffled me.
it strikes me as directly destructive to be deprived of this information.

i think it should be brought back to a normalized level, to normal reactions. let kids know EARLY, that way, their natural reaction will be "eww!" and they will know where they came from, and their own sexuality will develop naturally later on, and not be as connected with rebellion and such.

its always more tempting for kids growing up to rebel with bad and secret things. by normalizing sex, kids will see it as an embarassing and disgusting act grown-up's do, and not something they can use as a tool of provocation.

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Re: bring back nudity and sexuality!
« Reply #1 on: December 09, 2009, 02:06:26 PM »
Sex FTW

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Re: bring back nudity and sexuality!
« Reply #2 on: December 09, 2009, 02:23:36 PM »
It is against GOD to show these horrible dirty sex things   :soapbox:
"Eat it up.  Wear it out.  Make it do or do without." 

'People who say it cannot be done should not interrupt those who are doing it.'
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Re: bring back nudity and sexuality!
« Reply #3 on: December 09, 2009, 02:29:01 PM »
I'm glad I can't have kids

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Re: bring back nudity and sexuality!
« Reply #4 on: December 09, 2009, 02:39:16 PM »
I'm glad I can't have kids

kids are cool, theyre like "basal people", little people-looking clueless animals that can be tought things, they can be brain-molded easily. if YOU are cool, your kids are likely to be awesome.

the problem is the generation-trends

locally, we have the following:
ww2 people were born into poverty, into saving, and into knowing that everything may be lost.
60-s kids (such as my mother) were born into a fragile welfare. her mother, my grandmother, always reminded them about the "kids in biafra" when they didnt want to finish their food. local war and poverty was still a very real thing to people who have experienced it, and they passed this on to their own kids.
80's kids, like me, grow up with the notion of a cold war, and parents who were brought up with a great appreciation for welfare. but in my time, the cold war ends, welfare skyrockets, internet and passive video-gaming becomes past-time activities, and everything is more swell than ever:
in my own teens, kids started to become more and more obnoxious.
me and my friends were scared of "big kids" (teens) 10 years later, little brats flip me off and stuff. believe me, me and a friend chased the little bastards all the way home, yelling that we were gonna kill them, making them cry. teaching them a lesson about the world.

and NOW, NOW you get the kids who are "untouchable", theyre brought up w the attitude that everyone in the world is their servant, cus "mommy says so!", theyre little princes and princesses. i have a dream about seeking up every one of these parents, and beat them up in front of their kids, just to show them how things can turn out, in this world. make them appreciate life more.
"did you wake up one day, and didnt find yourself assraped in a moldy dungeon, soaked in piss? APPRECIATE IT!!!!"

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« Last Edit: December 09, 2009, 02:40:51 PM by ZEGH8578 »

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Re: bring back nudity and sexuality!
« Reply #5 on: December 09, 2009, 10:18:50 PM »
I agree with you about letting kids know from an early age where they come from telling them more as they are able to understand it.

I mean I didn't describe intercourse in great detail to my daughter, but enough to tell her how babies are made.

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Re: bring back nudity and sexuality!
« Reply #6 on: December 10, 2009, 11:09:21 AM »
I agree with you about letting kids know from an early age where they come from telling them more as they are able to understand it.

I mean I didn't describe intercourse in great detail to my daughter, but enough to tell her how babies are made.

exactly. this whole embarassment issue is normal, but its very different for kids. an intelligent person will realize this, that an adult has a very different relation to sex. a kid starts out with blank sheets, clueless to it.

i get the feeling that in most families where kids arent told, parents expect kids to get the same embarassment feeling as the parents themselves.
as if a 4 year old will suddenly go all "what!? you and dad FUCKED? whats wrong with you!? thats immoral! you slut!"
"im sorry we did it just so that you would have your life!"
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i imagine also this being a very serious problem for religious people: how do they tell their child they have been commiting the most enormous sin of them all? hell, its even worse than murder, according to the attitude of tv-shows! its probably WAY easyer for them to let the kid believe sex IS a total sin, rather than trying to filter in god's exceptions, among all the overprotection.

it comes down to education, as usual, education education.

in sweden entire neighborhoods get nude once a year, to dance around a tall bush.
i wonder how this reacts with the various laws of paedophilia, since there will be people of all ages, naked, in each others vicinity.
sweden is a successful nation tho.
not saying we should dance named w kids, its probably extremely embarassing, im just saying, obviously they can survive SOME nudity :D

i like foreign cultures. in jungle tribes "dirty" jokes are VERY common among teens and young adults, such as dry-humping people, making suggestive hip-moves for fun, etc etc

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Re: bring back nudity and sexuality!
« Reply #7 on: December 10, 2009, 05:02:39 PM »
I think there is a huge difference between nudity and sex.

Raised quite strictly calvinistic, and with the concept of sex outside marriage being a sin, I still knew what my parents looked like naked.

My kids know what I look like naked. And about sex, I've answered every question they had, when they had it. I never had 'the talk' with them. Just gradually told them what they wanted to know. And they wanted to know at different ages. That's fine. No need to tell them when they are not ready to hear it, no need to hide it from them when they want to know young.

I did not answer intimate questions on how and what precisely though. Told them that that was something they would have to find out for themselves, also that they would have plenty of time for that. And that knowing your own body is a good thing, before wanting to know another body.

I do find it weird how in (US) kids films nudity is kept out, but violence isn't. I don't get what is the problem of nudity. Sex, well kids will find out about that, when they are ready. I would not want that explicitly visible for kids. But sex and nudity are two very different things.

I've breastfed my girls everywhere. Also during a wedding ceremony in church. Discussions on if it is decent or not to breastfeed kids in public is something I do not get either. Why the fear of some naked flesh?
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Re: bring back nudity and sexuality!
« Reply #8 on: December 10, 2009, 05:33:56 PM »
I think there is a huge difference between nudity and sex.

Raised quite strictly calvinistic, and with the concept of sex outside marriage being a sin, I still knew what my parents looked like naked.

My kids know what I look like naked. And about sex, I've answered every question they had, when they had it. I never had 'the talk' with them. Just gradually told them what they wanted to know. And they wanted to know at different ages. That's fine. No need to tell them when they are not ready to hear it, no need to hide it from them when they want to know young.

I did not answer intimate questions on how and what precisely though. Told them that that was something they would have to find out for themselves, also that they would have plenty of time for that. And that knowing your own body is a good thing, before wanting to know another body.

I do find it weird how in (US) kids films nudity is kept out, but violence isn't. I don't get what is the problem of nudity. Sex, well kids will find out about that, when they are ready. I would not want that explicitly visible for kids. But sex and nudity are two very different things.

I've breastfed my girls everywhere. Also during a wedding ceremony in church. Discussions on if it is decent or not to breastfeed kids in public is something I do not get either. Why the fear of some naked flesh?

exactly, its that fear. your method seems fine, cus its a normal-mooded approach, they dont get the idea that its dangerous or illegal or secret or hidden, or a mysterious adventure :D its just something grown-ups do, that they will find out about when that day comes. my mother told me details, my dad too, and to me it was pure anatomy. i had no emotions attached to these details, at this age.

one time i was maybe 10, my brother was 6-ish, my mother was in the bathroom, he randomly yelled through the door "hey mom! did you ever suck dads weenie?" approximately translated.
i fucking died. sank through the earth. especially since she, after some seconds of silence, answered the innocent little child,... sincerely...
"okay!" he said, and ran outside to play. my day was ruined
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Re: bring back nudity and sexuality!
« Reply #9 on: December 10, 2009, 05:42:47 PM »
I did tell the anatomic things. But when it came to questions of a 6 year old what I liked precisely, I told that that was private. Because it is. When she asked me in abhorrence as a 5 year old if I had really done the sex thing, and if I had liked it, I did tell her that I did like it. No need to hide that fact for her.

I hope she will learn keeping things private for her self that she does not want to share.

Sexual education being not only about all that you can share, but also that you don't have to share if you don't want to.
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Re: bring back nudity and sexuality!
« Reply #10 on: December 10, 2009, 07:33:13 PM »
I did tell the anatomic things. But when it came to questions of a 6 year old what I liked precisely, I told that that was private. Because it is. When she asked me in abhorrence as a 5 year old if I had really done the sex thing, and if I had liked it, I did tell her that I did like it. No need to hide that fact for her.

I hope she will learn keeping things private for her self that she does not want to share.

Sexual education being not only about all that you can share, but also that you don't have to share if you don't want to.

hmmm i think the privacy thing comes automatic, by being introduced to the matter in a calm and private setting

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Re: bring back nudity and sexuality!
« Reply #11 on: December 10, 2009, 09:46:33 PM »
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Re: bring back nudity and sexuality!
« Reply #12 on: December 11, 2009, 10:58:39 AM »
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Re: bring back nudity and sexuality!
« Reply #13 on: December 11, 2009, 04:09:58 PM »
Nudity is wrong when the people are fat and ugly

Most people look disgustong without clothes, so they are required to be clothed for our protection

I'm glad I don't think I saw a lot of fat ugly people when I was a kid

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Re: bring back nudity and sexuality!
« Reply #14 on: December 11, 2009, 08:34:43 PM »
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