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Re: Why Capitalism Fails
« Reply #30 on: April 19, 2015, 07:23:38 PM »
Quote from: Pappy on April 19, 2015, 03:05:15 PM
...  still waiting for Capitalism to fail...      :jaded:
There's some good points made in this thread about the idea of pure capitalism. Not sure what that would be like, pure capitalism. Countries considered capitalist still have socialized systems in their context. Some of those systems work very well because they are socialized completely by the private sector rather than the national government. The best example of government run program is probably the postal service, as it's funded by postal revenue so a capitalistic government service.
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Re: Why Capitalism Fails
« Reply #31 on: April 21, 2015, 11:51:36 AM »
I say let the too big to fail, fail and those that are strong as far as pure capitalism goes will survive...off topic but on topic I am for fair tax, would solve a whole slue of issues with regard to capitalism, lobbyists, and the like...




PS. to the OP I can't read the entire article, I'd have to pay for it? what?
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Re: Why Capitalism Fails
« Reply #32 on: April 21, 2015, 05:55:35 PM »
Quote from: Hannah on April 21, 2015, 11:51:36 AM
I say let the too big to fail, fail and those that are strong as far as pure capitalism goes will survive...off topic but on topic I am for fair tax, would solve a whole slue of issues with regard to capitalism, lobbyists, and the like...




PS. to the OP I can't read the entire article, I'd have to pay for it? what?

Capitalism  :zoinks:

 
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Re: Why Capitalism Fails
« Reply #33 on: April 21, 2015, 07:30:00 PM »
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Re: Why Capitalism Fails
« Reply #34 on: April 22, 2015, 04:56:26 AM »
Quote from: Pappy on April 19, 2015, 03:05:15 PM
...  still waiting for Capitalism to fail...      :jaded:

Everything has an expiry date. Give it time.
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Re: Why Capitalism Fails
« Reply #35 on: April 22, 2015, 09:03:10 AM »
Quote from: Jack on April 21, 2015, 07:30:00 PM
:laugh:

this made me chuckle and snort into my coffee, thanks  :2thumbsup:
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Re: Why Capitalism Fails
« Reply #36 on: April 22, 2015, 10:37:04 AM »
Quote from: Some_Bloke on April 22, 2015, 04:56:26 AM
Quote from: Pappy on April 19, 2015, 03:05:15 PM
...  still waiting for Capitalism to fail...      :jaded:

Everything has an expiry date. Give it time.

Explain again to me why you're posting in a thread, that you claim when you negged my karma, was "needlessly necrobumped"??

Hypocrite much??
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Re: Why Capitalism Fails
« Reply #37 on: April 24, 2015, 04:37:30 PM »
Quote from: Pappy on April 22, 2015, 10:37:04 AM
Quote from: Some_Bloke on April 22, 2015, 04:56:26 AM
Quote from: Pappy on April 19, 2015, 03:05:15 PM
...  still waiting for Capitalism to fail...      :jaded:

Everything has an expiry date. Give it time.

Explain again to me why you're posting in a thread, that you claim when you negged my karma, was "needlessly necrobumped"??

Hypocrite much??

You're the one that necrobumped it. That doesn't make me a hypocritical hippopotamus for replying to said necrobump.

I don't think you know what a hypocrite is Pappy. Maybe you should go back to school or get a dictionary  :M
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Re: Why Capitalism Fails
« Reply #38 on: April 24, 2015, 07:57:39 PM »
He dropped out before they got to the big words.
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Re: Why Capitalism Fails
« Reply #39 on: April 24, 2015, 08:17:06 PM »
Quote from: Pappy on April 22, 2015, 10:37:04 AM
Quote from: Some_Bloke on April 22, 2015, 04:56:26 AM
Quote from: Pappy on April 19, 2015, 03:05:15 PM
...  still waiting for Capitalism to fail...      :jaded:

Everything has an expiry date. Give it time.

Explain again to me why you're posting in a thread, that you claim when you negged my karma, was "needlessly necrobumped"??

Hypocrite much??

Having trouble with socialists these days as well.

I say to everyone:  GO VOTE!!!! USE THE SYSTEM!!!

Let us settle this without me/us taking up arms against all you unarmed socialist idiots.

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Re: Why Capitalism Fails
« Reply #40 on: May 15, 2015, 02:19:50 PM »
There is a fatal paradox within free market capitalism.

A free market requires minimal to no interference from the state in order to function. Capitalism itself, is based on the accumulation of capital. I mean lets not be polite about this, lets be real. Anyone with any knowledge of how a free market works knows that without state protections of this capital accumulation, competitors come in and eat the bigger businesses relentlessly because everyone wants a piece of that sweet ass profit.

This is where it all breaks down. Free market capitalism cannot exist. Unless a big business owner relies on the government to pass laws to discourage competition against his racket, it is guaranteed that everyone and their mother will gut that business by undercutting it's prices and finding better methods of production which allows them to pay their employees more and steal the big boy's business.

It just doesn't work, folks. What you see in the U.S. is basically how capitalism works in the real world. All these dreams of "free market capitalism" are just the rambings of senile college professors who smoke way too much pot.
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Re: Why Capitalism Fails
« Reply #41 on: May 15, 2015, 02:34:54 PM »
Quote from: RageBeoulve on May 15, 2015, 02:19:50 PM
There is a fatal paradox within free market capitalism.

A free market requires minimal to no interference from the state in order to function. Capitalism itself, is based on the accumulation of capital. I mean lets not be polite about this, lets be real. Anyone with any knowledge of how a free market works knows that without state protections of this capital accumulation, competitors come in and eat the bigger businesses relentlessly because everyone wants a piece of that sweet ass profit.

This is where it all breaks down. Free market capitalism cannot exist. Unless a big business owner relies on the government to pass laws to discourage competition against his racket, it is guaranteed that everyone and their mother will gut that business by undercutting it's prices and finding better methods of production which allows them to pay their employees more and steal the big boy's business.

It just doesn't work, folks. What you see in the U.S. is basically how capitalism works in the real world. All these dreams of "free market capitalism" are just the rambings of senile college professors who smoke way too much pot.

This viewpoint seems to be working on the assumption that a big business is owned by some solitary big business owner person, when it's generally not.
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Re: Why Capitalism Fails
« Reply #42 on: May 15, 2015, 03:01:41 PM »
Quote from: Jack on May 15, 2015, 02:34:54 PM
Quote from: RageBeoulve on May 15, 2015, 02:19:50 PM
There is a fatal paradox within free market capitalism.

A free market requires minimal to no interference from the state in order to function. Capitalism itself, is based on the accumulation of capital. I mean lets not be polite about this, lets be real. Anyone with any knowledge of how a free market works knows that without state protections of this capital accumulation, competitors come in and eat the bigger businesses relentlessly because everyone wants a piece of that sweet ass profit.

This is where it all breaks down. Free market capitalism cannot exist. Unless a big business owner relies on the government to pass laws to discourage competition against his racket, it is guaranteed that everyone and their mother will gut that business by undercutting it's prices and finding better methods of production which allows them to pay their employees more and steal the big boy's business.

It just doesn't work, folks. What you see in the U.S. is basically how capitalism works in the real world. All these dreams of "free market capitalism" are just the rambings of senile college professors who smoke way too much pot.

This viewpoint seems to be working on the assumption that a big business is owned by some solitary big business owner person, when it's generally not.

The protest works better that way. It's always easier to attack a single entity.
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Re: Why Capitalism Fails
« Reply #43 on: May 15, 2015, 03:07:05 PM »
Quote from: Jack on May 15, 2015, 02:34:54 PM
Quote from: RageBeoulve on May 15, 2015, 02:19:50 PM
There is a fatal paradox within free market capitalism.

A free market requires minimal to no interference from the state in order to function. Capitalism itself, is based on the accumulation of capital. I mean lets not be polite about this, lets be real. Anyone with any knowledge of how a free market works knows that without state protections of this capital accumulation, competitors come in and eat the bigger businesses relentlessly because everyone wants a piece of that sweet ass profit.

This is where it all breaks down. Free market capitalism cannot exist. Unless a big business owner relies on the government to pass laws to discourage competition against his racket, it is guaranteed that everyone and their mother will gut that business by undercutting it's prices and finding better methods of production which allows them to pay their employees more and steal the big boy's business.

It just doesn't work, folks. What you see in the U.S. is basically how capitalism works in the real world. All these dreams of "free market capitalism" are just the rambings of senile college professors who smoke way too much pot.

This viewpoint seems to be working on the assumption that a big business is owned by some solitary big business owner person, when it's generally not.

The thing is, that business will still fail. Guaranteed. There is no defense against magical competition without state/market collusion. Therefore, free market capitalism is just a dream.

In b4 any libertarian posters on here get all dissonancy.
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Re: Why Capitalism Fails
« Reply #44 on: May 15, 2015, 03:11:51 PM »
Jack deleted her comment. Too bad; I had just replied.

Generalising to a single entity does work. It's just enough to produce a terrific argument based on faulty assumptions. No-one will notice.
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