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need help with math problem
« on: April 24, 2007, 12:23:24 AM »
I suck at math

If there are 298,444,215 people in the US as of 2006

And there are 15 births per 1000 people in the US

Then there are = how many births in the US?    (I got approx. 4,476,660 taking off decimal points)

If 1 in 150 children born are on the autism spectrum, then how many autistic children, in theory, were born in '06

Again, I such at math

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Re: need help with math problem
« Reply #1 on: April 24, 2007, 12:28:07 AM »
298,444,215 / 1000 = 298,444

298,444  * 15 = 4476660

4476660/150 = 29844.4



Then there are = how many births in the US?    (I got approx. 4,476,660 taking off decimal points)

What decimal?

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Again, I such at math

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« Last Edit: April 24, 2007, 12:29:45 AM by calandale »

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Re: need help with math problem
« Reply #2 on: April 24, 2007, 12:35:56 AM »
Actually the "semi-official number" is 1 in 166, so the answer using this number is 26968.

You also need to understand that this supposed increase in the number is because of more people seeking a diagnosis, who in the old days perhaps would have been diagnosed with something else, if they were even diagnosed at all.  Also, it is for all diagnosed ASD's, not specifically an autism diagnosis.

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Re: need help with math problem
« Reply #3 on: April 24, 2007, 12:37:00 AM »
Yes, I also LIVE  on type-os.  My fatal flaw.

That is the number I got.  Because of my suckiness at math just wanted to make sure my calculation followed the right line of logic.

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Re: need help with math problem
« Reply #4 on: April 24, 2007, 12:43:30 AM »
Actually the "semi-official number" is 1 in 166, so the answer using this number is 26968.

You also need to understand that this supposed increase in the number is because of more people seeking a diagnosis, who in the old days perhaps would have been diagnosed with something else, if they were even diagnosed at all.  Also, it is for all diagnosed ASD's, not specifically an autism diagnosis.

I suspect the number is MUCH higher. I noticed a magical spark
which I'm fairly convinced has some correlation with AS - especially
since I saw this spark in those with autism, but not in the mass of
people that I've dealt with.

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Re: need help with math problem
« Reply #5 on: April 24, 2007, 01:34:18 AM »
According to the current criteria, the numbers probably aren't significantly higher than that.  :-\
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Re: need help with math problem
« Reply #6 on: April 24, 2007, 01:36:18 AM »
Are the numbers some sort of estimate? Because clearly a good number
of people will never be DX'd, whether by choice, or simply not knowing.

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Re: need help with math problem
« Reply #7 on: April 24, 2007, 01:58:08 AM »
Are the numbers some sort of estimate? Because clearly a good number
of people will never be DX'd, whether by choice, or simply not knowing.

* odeon mutters about Sophist never being at hand when needed.

Yes, the way I understand it, it's an estimate. Obviously, too, because I doubt it's possible to simply do a head count.

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The researchers are probably well aware of the fact that there are people that will never get a dx, for one reason or another. They are also aware of the fact that social awkwardness alone does not an aspie make, no matter what the sympathetic ears at WP and other places say. (Chorus: we don't care what the doctors say, we know that you're one of uuuusssss...)

An important criteria not to be forgotten is that in addition to the DSM list, you need to have experienced significant difficulties directly related to the other symptoms, it's named a "disorder" for a reason. Having some autistic traits, among them difficulty reading social signals, is certainly more common, obsessing about things for months on end is too. Weak theory of mind, lack of central coherence, executive dysfunction (no, not the kind that affects Vice Presidents and board members), etc, in combination, are probably not.

You don't get a dx because you need to belong to a social club for rejects.
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Re: need help with math problem
« Reply #8 on: April 24, 2007, 02:02:49 AM »
 It is impossible to make an accurate estimate on unreported data.

But, I was unaware of the significant difficulty aspect. Seems silly
to me, and serves no purpose in what I'm interested in. Frankly,
I'm more intrigued by people who are NOT suffering, but have
most of the traits. It's like saying that a person without the use
of his legs is not effected by a disorder, if they have a desk job.

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Re: need help with math problem
« Reply #9 on: April 24, 2007, 02:10:09 AM »
True, but we're talking about a disorder that is only diagnosable using a list of criteria, and the part about experiencing significant difficulties isn't taken THAT lightly. You can sit in a wheelchair and handle your desk job perfectly but if your coworkers invite you to a party held on the third floor of a house that doesn't have an elevator, you're fucked, and that's because of your handicap.
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Re: need help with math problem
« Reply #10 on: April 24, 2007, 02:15:30 AM »
For the important answers in life I turn to the magic hate ball.

http://www.albinoblacksheep.com/flash/hateball
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Reverence is fine, Sanctity is silly.
We're all fucked, it helps to remember that.

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Re: need help with math problem
« Reply #11 on: April 24, 2007, 02:16:24 AM »
(Chorus: we don't care what the doctors say, we know that you're one of uuuusssss...)

I don't think that there's anyone over there who claims to have been DX'd without,
but wants to fit in for some sick reason.
I don't have one, and am not sure that I want one - which is the case with a number
of people there. There also seem to be a decent number who ARE DX'd, but question
whether it was correct.

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Re: need help with math problem
« Reply #12 on: April 24, 2007, 02:18:16 AM »
For the important answers in life I turn to the magic hate ball.

http://www.albinoblacksheep.com/flash/hateball

So far it's two for two.

It said it wasn't going to tell me, and it discerned that my family tree doesn't branch.

This thing is awesome.

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Re: need help with math problem
« Reply #13 on: April 24, 2007, 02:25:15 AM »
When I frequented WP, there were quite a few people that seemed to have the other AS, Adolescent Syndrome, rather than an ASD. I don't know about the place now.

Look, I don't doubt that there are a number of un-dx'd people out there. I just don't believe that the overall numbers are significantly higher than the 1/166 quoted, partly because most of the ASD researchers I respect seem to agree on a number therabouts, but also because it's a spectrum and a number of cases will invariably be on the "wrong" side of the threshold, depending on how you define the limit.

And I'm not defining anything, that's for the people who write the DSM and other manuals.
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Re: need help with math problem
« Reply #14 on: April 24, 2007, 02:28:24 AM »
When I frequented WP, there were quite a few people that seemed to have the other AS, Adolescent Syndrome, rather than an ASD. I don't know about the place now.

Seems that way. But doesn't this place too?

And I'm not defining anything, that's for the people who write the DSM and other manuals.

Certainly not saying that you are. I'm just saying that suffering doesn't particularly interest me - unless I'm aroused at the time.