Another US shooting..

[Litigious]

Actually, those jerks in Waco were morons, as far as I'm concerned, but the FBI had no right whatsoever to attack them.

Yeah. By my interpretation of the Constitution, this was one of the clearest cases of a legitimate right to bear arms
that one could come up with.

I'm really glad that they killed a lot of Fed scums before they were killed themselves. Here in Europe they'd been slaughter sheeps only.

[esme456]

I'm not familiar with the Waco case - need to research details

Lol Spag!

I've noticed that it's the 'She had everything to live for' types who often die tragically young - the rest of us are doomed to see out our miserable, useless lives in full I guess...

What always puzzles me are the very successful types who kill themselves seemingly out of the blue, as if the pressure's all too much for them or something, or perhaps being at the top of your game isn't all it's cracked up to be...

[Calandale]

I'm really glad that they killed a lot of Fed scums before they were killed themselves. Here in Europe they'd been slaughter sheeps only.

Yeah. But the real decision makers just don't get touched. I mean, the complaint about Reno was that it was done incompetently,
no one here was questioning seriously (on the media) that these people had a right to be an armed community.

[esme456]

Do you mean FBI by 'Fed Scums'?

I have an admiration for the FBI for some reason - they always seemed very AS-like in their pedantic determination to me (that's just the impression I've got from films/The Sopranos tho...)

[Calandale]

Didn't really matter WHICH tools of the government were
going in and destroying people's rights did it?

[esme456]

Suppose not

I need to find out more about it all before can really comment

[Calandale]

The problem is that it's always these fringe groups that are
standing this way. So, they tend to be far right militia, or
religious cults. Makes it harder for people to sympathize.

[esme456]

Why did the FBI get involved in the first place?

[McGiver]

i thenk it was ATF.

[Calandale]

FBI went in on the assault - I remember that.

Why? Because they were told to do so. They
can be called in by local police or other agencies.

[Callaway]

I think guns should be banned for NTs but free for aspies.

I'm sort of holding my breath hoping that nobody says the shooter was an Aspie.  The news media keeps calling him a loner.

Sorry if this disturbs anyone, but I'm getting the feeling more and more with everything i read about this that he may well have been an undiagnosed aspie unfortunately.

Apart from all the loner stuff, the fact that he seems to have felt totally alone in the world, that he was obviously bullied, obsessiveness, reports he had poor social skills, he had speech problems as a child

His grandfather said Cho was "well-behaved" as a child in South Korea, but troubled his parents because of speech problems.

The great aunt of killer gunman Cho Seung-Hui says she feared he was autistic.

http://www.reuters.com/news/video/videoStory?videoId=49202

and on the video his voice sounds monotonous like Napoleon dynamite's.


Although i went on about gun laws i don't think that's the real problem here. I'm speculating but i think the real problem was that he was allowed to slip through the net without being diagnosed, without getting the psychiatric attention he obviously should have had - not just for other's safety but for his own mental health. I think if he'd got more help he wouldn't have done what he did.

I know most people don't like to talk about things like that and just want to say "he was just fucked up - just pure evil" but i just don't ever see things like that. I don't really think there's such a thing as "evil"

I really hope this isn't going to mean other aspie types are going to get a harder time if people see similarities to this guy

It's not that I mind if we speculate whether or not he was an Aspie, I just hoped the news media would not pick up on that idea, because of exactly what could happen to other Aspies by association, just like you said you hope as well.  Maybe they could consider people on the autistic spectrum too unstable to buy guns or live in society with the so-called 'normal' people.

I wish he had gotten more help after he stalked those two young ladies.

[Scrapheap]

Do you mean FBI by 'Fed Scums'?

I have an admiration for the FBI for some reason - they always seemed very AS-like in their pedantic determination to me (that's just the impression I've got from films/The Sopranos tho...)

Actually, The FBI has elements that are very corrupt. They sometimes act like they're the KGB. 

[odeon]

No surprise there, Scrap. You have a president that sometimes acts as if he ruled over the Soviet Union. 

[Litigious]

As I said, in Europe the people in Waco could have made no resistance. Now they at least killead a great many of "underlings" as Dec called them. That's the way all power-abusing authority people should go. 

[Calandale]

As I said, in Europe the people in Waco could have made no resistance. Now they at least killead a great many of "underlings" as Dec called them. That's the way all power-abusing authority people should go. 

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not enough.