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« Reply #30 on: April 17, 2007, 04:21:51 PM »
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And how is it that you have gun violence in a country where guns are banned ??

for the same reason that you can have a drug problem in countries where drugs are banned

BINGO !!!

It's only myself and about 10 other Europeans that have understood why it should be a right to carry arms and not a privilege. The others have swallowed the anti-gun propaganda, lock, stock and barrel.

You and only ten other Europeans? I guess now we know why the votes are so often against you. :P

Or might it be that I'm over-exaggerating as usual? 8)

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« Reply #31 on: April 17, 2007, 04:24:06 PM »
Anyway we don't need to look at theory - there are some pretty big experiments testing the theory and from recent results it's looking increasingly like legalising is a bad idea. 

It's society that's wrong. A couple of generations ago, guns were as free in the UK and Sweden as they still are in the US, and drugs were too, actually. But were there tremendous amounts of addicts and serial killers for that? No.

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Re: Another US shooting..
« Reply #32 on: April 17, 2007, 04:30:53 PM »
It's society that's wrong. A couple of generations ago, guns were as free in the UK and Sweden as they still are in the US, and drugs were too, actually. But were there tremendous amounts of addicts and serial killers for that? No.

Sure. But we may not be able to return to "the old ways." Society is going through a painful stage - and it's only going to get worse for quite a while.

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« Reply #33 on: April 17, 2007, 04:40:45 PM »
It's society that's wrong. A couple of generations ago, guns were as free in the UK and Sweden as they still are in the US, and drugs were too, actually. But were there tremendous amounts of addicts and serial killers for that? No.
We also didn't need so many condoms when AIDS wasn't a big problem. 

The massive recent technological, cultural changes world right now would mean legalising guns, good or bad, would mean a different scenario than it would've been 100+ years ago.

eg I'm pretty sure that 100 years ago in britain the only drugs that would've been around would have been opium, maybe cannabis?  and I think it would have been a privilege of the rich. 

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« Reply #34 on: April 17, 2007, 04:46:19 PM »
Opium, cannabis, morphine, heroin. But it's correct that most people couldn't afford them. Most people could afford some second-hand revolver, though, but they didn't run around killing others just because of that.

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« Reply #35 on: April 17, 2007, 04:52:46 PM »
yeah but they didn't have hiphop music back then
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« Reply #36 on: April 17, 2007, 04:53:12 PM »
Society was much smaller. People had places where they belonged, and people they cared about.
Now, we form such little tight insulations against the reality, and it is not healthy. Not easy to
change though. The world's been going to crap for quite a while, in terms of what humanity
is wired for.

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« Reply #37 on: April 17, 2007, 05:09:18 PM »
word. seems like today you barely have to interact with anyone. i suppose in some ways i like that, but now that supermarkets have installed all these self-checkouts it really seems quite clinical and soulless. I still like going to the local market to get food sometimes as it just feels nicer somehow.
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Re: Another US shooting..
« Reply #38 on: April 17, 2007, 05:11:29 PM »
Same here. Which is one of the things that I wonder about AS - how much of it is really a matter of the modern environment?

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« Reply #39 on: April 17, 2007, 05:15:22 PM »
I think it's a combination. the modern environment is both good and bad for us in different ways. But the AS is still there in some form regardless
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« Reply #40 on: April 17, 2007, 05:19:32 PM »
I'm suggesting that the isolation might be causing it. I know that, for my era, I had a very isolated
life - no other children around until school. Now, some of that might have been an effect of what
I was - I don't know for sure - but it strikes me that the anti-social upbringing made patterns. This
is really what I always assumed, until I started seeing some newspaper articles on Asperger's. Along
with some thoughts that I had autistic tendencies, but clearly didn't fit into that model.

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« Reply #41 on: April 17, 2007, 05:24:21 PM »
i dunno. i grew up an only child in the countryside without many around, but went to a big school and was often kind of isolated there. But i know other only children from the countryside who're not at all AS and you hear of AS people from large families in busy communities. so i think for me it's a combination - the AS made me more susceptible to other problems in my childhood
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Re: Another US shooting..
« Reply #42 on: April 17, 2007, 05:26:51 PM »
Yeah. But now the isolation is greater in the cities than it once used to be.
I'm not saying that it's enough, just that it might be contributory. Eh, doesn't
much matter, I guess.

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« Reply #43 on: April 17, 2007, 05:30:49 PM »
I think guns should be banned for NTs but free for aspies. Since aspies prefer isolation, it would hardly happen that we would shoot anyone, unless they tried to get into our homes.  8)

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Re: Another US shooting..
« Reply #44 on: April 17, 2007, 05:34:52 PM »
I think guns should be banned for NTs but free for aspies.

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I'm sort of holding my breath hoping that nobody says the shooter was an Aspie.  The news media keeps calling him a loner.