2018 in a nutsack.

[Minister Of Silly Walks]

Cal, who among us would you trust to be a completely impartial head admin even when subjected to years of personal abuse and pointless drama?

I can think of one. Maybe.

[Lestat]

Ren and 'raxy are the ones I trust the most here. Both outstanding people in general, and people I..well, I don't trust people easily, certainly not after meeting the borderline bitch from hell former housemate, and the shit she pulled.

[Jack]

Custom titles, weren't they/aren't they at a user's request? mine was.

Yes. You have to beg an admin to change it.

For no apparent reason. And sometimes, they get set for you.

Can't recall an instance when a request was denied.

[Calandale]

I'd trust Pyraxis most. Not just on making the moral decisions, but on digging for the deeper nuances.

On moral grounds, I think all three other admins have been fine.

To the more subtle points. None of these three have been subjected to such attacks, because of their
personalities. They don't invite them. Odeon and Dunc both performed capricious acts instigating this
cycle. Might someone start being a total ass to another member? Sure. But that's not likely to result in
a section of long time members consistently harping about moral failures. I think even Odeon could shrug
off attacks like that, which were simply not true. It's the TRUTH of them which promulgates his responses.

And I suspect he's smart enough to understand that. I hope he is. And can work to distance himself from
performing such acts.

Because, I'm not sure anyone else is interested in actually making the work involved in maintaining the site.
It's a thankless task, and one which probably doesn't seem worth it at all, if everyone's just harping on you.
Are his little power trips a worthwhile cost to the members? Shit, I don't know. Maybe if the site's principles
were changed to reflect that, I'd be a lot happier with the trade off.

I^2 is a Free Speech Zone - except where it annoys the mebmonkey.

[Calandale]

Custom titles, weren't they/aren't they at a user's request? mine was.

Yes. You have to beg an admin to change it.

For no apparent reason. And sometimes, they get set for you.

Can't recall an instance when a request was denied.

Doesn't make a difference.

[Jack]

Cal, who among us would you trust to be a completely impartial head admin even when subjected to years of personal abuse and pointless drama?

I can think of one. Maybe.

Don't think it's possible for members to be completely impartial. That might only happen if there were some hired outsider who didn't participate except for administrative actions. Have more than once said, everyone gets something they need here or they wouldn't be here. There have been times when it seemed Odeon probably wasn't getting what he needs and that was concerning. Odeon has shown I can trust him to keep the site running.

[Jack]

Custom titles, weren't they/aren't they at a user's request? mine was.

Yes. You have to beg an admin to change it.

For no apparent reason. And sometimes, they get set for you.

Can't recall an instance when a request was denied.

Doesn't make a difference.

Yes it does. There's a difference between sometimes and always. If there's a point to be made about admin control over custom titles, then sometimes isn't it.

[Jack]

Are his little power trips a worthwhile cost to the members?

What's the cost when Odeon is a member too? It may be possible someone has left because they didn't like him, or maybe left because they didn't like me. If the time ever comes when the benefit of this forum is outweighed by the cost, then I'll leave, but I'll never blame someone else if I can't handle whatever I2 has to offer.

[Al Swearegen]

Cal, who among us would you trust to be a completely impartial head admin even when subjected to years of personal abuse and pointless drama?

I can think of one. Maybe.

Better question. "WHY is he getting "years of personal abuse"?" Was that his impartiality of which you talk about? Or perhaps it was that he was misusing his power and making a shitload of very bad choices and when his pigeons come back to roost the more disingenuous here treat him as a poor beset upon Admin?

I would like you to discuss this question and in context of THIS answer I will address YOUR question.

[Jack]

Custom titles, weren't they/aren't they at a user's request? mine was.

Yes. You have to beg an admin to change it.

For no apparent reason. And sometimes, they get set for you.

Can't recall an instance when a request was denied.

Doesn't make a difference.

Yes it does. There's a difference between sometimes and always. If there's a point to be made about admin control over custom titles, then sometimes isn't it.

Have been here a long time, and this is the first time custom title access has ever come up as any sort of an issue. Maybe just asking nicely would result in change, instead of implying it some sort of big power trip.

[Lestat]

I can't comment about dunc, before my time here.

But as for custom titles, I don't remember ever hearing of one imposed, rather than granted. And really, it's the most minor sort of niggle an admin COULD oppose on a member, short of 'oi! dick'ead! fuck yer mom faggot' sort of degeneration. But if someone does fuck with it, I would trust Ren and 'Raxy to be impartial over others. I think Ren the most, since she has never ONCE shown even the merest hint of reproachable behavior when I've been a member to witness it, 'rax has posted in threads concerning arguments and moderation issues, but that is the ONLY thing I can state about her modding, she's no snake, anyhow. But I'd trust Ren completely. Then again, would 'rax, but Ren doesn't seem to take much user-visible role in admining.

[Minister Of Silly Walks]

Cal, who among us would you trust to be a completely impartial head admin even when subjected to years of personal abuse and pointless drama?

I can think of one. Maybe.

Better question. "WHY is he getting "years of personal abuse"?" Was that his impartiality of which you talk about? Or perhaps it was that he was misusing his power and making a shitload of very bad choices and when his pigeons come back to roost the more disingenuous here treat him as a poor beset upon Admin?

I would like you to discuss this question and in context of THIS answer I will address YOUR question.

Wasn't it you who accused Odeon of being completely impartial? It certainly wasn't I.

One thing for sure is that if I were running this place I would be far from impartial. So it aint me either what I'm talking about.

There is also the question of proportionality. Every bully ever has claimed either that their victim deserves the excessive and disproportional abuse given to them, or that they are somehow doing their victim a favour, or "just having a bit of fun, no harm intended". There may be other reasons that bullies give, you're probably in a better position to say.

[Al Swearegen]

Cal, who among us would you trust to be a completely impartial head admin even when subjected to years of personal abuse and pointless drama?

I can think of one. Maybe.

Better question. "WHY is he getting "years of personal abuse"?" Was that his impartiality of which you talk about? Or perhaps it was that he was misusing his power and making a shitload of very bad choices and when his pigeons come back to roost the more disingenuous here treat him as a poor beset upon Admin?

I would like you to discuss this question and in context of THIS answer I will address YOUR question.

Wasn't it you who accused Odeon of being completely impartial? It certainly wasn't I.

One thing for sure is that if I were running this place I would be far from impartial. So it aint me either what I'm talking about.

There is also the question of proportionality. Every bully ever has claimed either that their victim deserves the excessive and disproportional abuse given to them, or that they are somehow doing their victim a favour, or "just having a bit of fun, no harm intended". There may be other reasons that bullies give, you're probably in a better position to say.

There is a reason Odeon is disliked by me. It was not always that way and did not come out of a vacuum. None of this is contestable. The "personal abuse" over the last few years is NOT one way trading. What on Earth are you talking about disproportionality? On which side and by which reckoning? Neither Odeon nor I are the "bully" in this situation or we both are.

Its just bullshit and propaganda calling it otherwise.

[Minister Of Silly Walks]

Never seen a bully admit that their actions are disproportionate to any provocation, real or imagined. Don't expect to see such an admission any time soon. How 'bout you?

[Al Swearegen]

Never seen a bully admit that their actions are disproportionate to any provocation, real or imagined. Don't expect to see such an admission any time soon. How 'bout you?

No idea. In accounting for a bully on I2, by what non-subjective measure do you use? See I generally do not use that term, not here, and for good reason. Worse still is trying to divide two people fighting and feuding especially over a number of years and accounting for one party being at fault and the other as being as being faultless or otherwise the victim in the narrative.

You are not going to be silly enough to try .....are you?