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Re: Gender pay gap at the BBC
« Reply #15 on: February 07, 2018, 12:31:02 AM »
You mean like opinion surveys, or small sample sets?

Both. And then some.

Unrepresentative samples can occur either due to small sample size or due to poor sampling methods.

Conscious or subconscious bias on the part of those gathering the stats can play a role.

Questions that are deliberately worded or structured or sequenced so as to be leading can produce misleading outcomes.

Unclear definitions of terms can be an issue. "Have you ever cheated on your partner", for example, could mean many things.

I'm referring to statistics in general, not to this specific case. Which I only shared in order to rile the broflakes.
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Re: Gender pay gap at the BBC
« Reply #16 on: February 07, 2018, 05:03:50 PM »
You mean like opinion surveys, or small sample sets?

Both. And then some.

Unrepresentative samples can occur either due to small sample size or due to poor sampling methods.

Conscious or subconscious bias on the part of those gathering the stats can play a role.

Questions that are deliberately worded or structured or sequenced so as to be leading can produce misleading outcomes.

Unclear definitions of terms can be an issue. "Have you ever cheated on your partner", for example, could mean many things.

I'm referring to statistics in general, not to this specific case. Which I only shared in order to rile the broflakes.
Yes, I see. My response may have been more related to state of mind. Today it reads like a funny joke. 74% if all statistics are bollocks. Really? Is that one of them? :laugh:

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Re: Gender pay gap at the BBC
« Reply #17 on: February 21, 2018, 02:45:13 AM »
You mean like opinion surveys, or small sample sets?

Both. And then some.

Unrepresentative samples can occur either due to small sample size or due to poor sampling methods.

Conscious or subconscious bias on the part of those gathering the stats can play a role.

Questions that are deliberately worded or structured or sequenced so as to be leading can produce misleading outcomes.

Unclear definitions of terms can be an issue. "Have you ever cheated on your partner", for example, could mean many things.

I'm referring to statistics in general, not to this specific case. Which I only shared in order to rile the broflakes.

What is a broflake?
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Re: Gender pay gap at the BBC
« Reply #18 on: February 21, 2018, 02:47:04 AM »
The BBC numbers tell a different story.

Actually, they don't. You're making the same mistake you made with the Google employee numbers.

You just look at the surface numbers and don't scratch below the surface to see why there's a difference.

BBC has commissioned 3 different independent investigations over recent years and all 3 found that there were no gender bias in the wages of anyone who worked there.

THIS IS A FAKE STORY, PERIOD!

How do you explain the fact that there is a 6.8% gap, then, according to their own numbers? How do you explain the fact that they will cut the salaries of some of their male journalists following the publication of their own study, the one where they claim there is no gender bias?

If you scratch below the surface a bit, you'll find a lot of criticism aimed at their studies. Yes, it's easier to just claim it's fake news but I'm guessing that you wouldn't if you were paid 6.8% less than a female colleague.

As for the Google numbers, you were the one to miss the division between tech and non-tech employees. Statistics are so easily misunderstood, aren't they? It happens to the best of us so it goes without saying that it happens to you. Happy to revisit the discussion if you can produce sources that back up your claims.

I dunno? Fear? Public outrage? Allaying the sponsor's concerns? Being seen as Progressive?

Could be many reasons.

I take it that you don't have any sources either?

How does one quantify such things or measure them AND if one can't should one dismiss them to push a narrative bereft of any of these things? Seems odd.
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Re: Gender pay gap at the BBC
« Reply #19 on: February 21, 2018, 11:11:22 PM »
So neither of you can actually produce any sources, then?
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Re: Gender pay gap at the BBC
« Reply #20 on: February 22, 2018, 02:39:18 AM »
So neither of you can actually produce any sources, then?

So you are working on assumptions that do not lend themselves to the kind of critique such as I have offered.
That is okay. I do not mind assumptions. People can assume anything they want.
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Re: Gender pay gap at the BBC
« Reply #21 on: February 22, 2018, 10:15:37 AM »
So neither of you can actually produce any sources, then?

So you are working on assumptions that do not lend themselves to the kind of critique such as I have offered.
That is okay. I do not mind assumptions. People can assume anything they want.

Got it. You don't.
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Re: Gender pay gap at the BBC
« Reply #22 on: March 07, 2018, 07:01:22 PM »
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I2 today is not i2 of yesteryear. It is a knitting circle. Those that participate be they nice or asshats know their place and the price to be there. Odeon is the overlord

.Benevolent if you toe the line.

Think it is I2 of old? Even Odeon is not so delusional as to think otherwise. He may on occasionally pretend otherwise but his base is that knitting circle.

Censoring/banning/restricting/moderating myself, Calanadale & Scrapheap were all not his finest moments.

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Re: Gender pay gap at the BBC
« Reply #23 on: March 07, 2018, 07:13:02 PM »
So neither of you can actually produce any sources, then?

So you are working on assumptions that do not lend themselves to the kind of critique such as I have offered.
That is okay. I do not mind assumptions. People can assume anything they want.

Got it. You don't.

Neither does the odeot.   :M

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Re: Gender pay gap at the BBC
« Reply #24 on: March 08, 2018, 01:37:46 AM »
So neither of you can actually produce any sources, then?

So you are working on assumptions that do not lend themselves to the kind of critique such as I have offered.
That is okay. I do not mind assumptions. People can assume anything they want.

Got it. You don't.

Neither does the odeot.   :M

Brilliantly argued.
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Re: Gender pay gap at the BBC
« Reply #25 on: March 14, 2018, 08:23:13 PM »
Considering how the BBC has a history of harbouring paedophiles among other sins...I mean, a pay gap isn't the worst thing they've done by a goddamn mile.  :dunno:

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Re: Gender pay gap at the BBC
« Reply #26 on: March 15, 2018, 02:21:08 AM »
True, but does it mean that you should only address one problem at a time?
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Re: Gender pay gap at the BBC
« Reply #27 on: March 16, 2018, 05:35:33 AM »
Considering how the BBC has a history of harbouring paedophiles among other sins...I mean, a pay gap isn't the worst thing they've done by a goddamn mile.  :dunno:
good point
True, but does it mean that you should only address one problem at a time?
also good point
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Re: Gender pay gap at the BBC
« Reply #28 on: March 16, 2018, 07:26:31 PM »
THE PAY GAP ISN'T REAL!!!


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Re: Gender pay gap at the BBC
« Reply #29 on: March 16, 2018, 10:12:02 PM »
THE PAY GAP ISN'T REAL!!!


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Dude, there's a pay gap. Fact!
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