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Re: The other trump card in the gun debate.
« Reply #15 on: January 11, 2018, 02:44:27 AM »
I thought we were comparing Malmö with the US.
To me it looks like you're saying that banning bombs didn't stop bombs going off therefore there is no point to gun control because it's a mental health issue. 

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Re: The other trump card in the gun debate.
« Reply #16 on: January 11, 2018, 09:53:50 AM »
I thought we were comparing Malmö with the US.
yep.   He's got you there, Scrap :LOL:

However, the mention of the place aroused my interst and so I checkeded it out on Wikipedia. Here's a passage fom there that neatly explains their high crime rate, IMO:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malm%C3%B6
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Although the transformation from a city with its economic base in manufacturing has returned growth to Malmö, the new types of jobs have largely benefited the middle and upper classes. While the inner city becomes gentrified and the upper-middle class have settled the Western Harbour, little has changed for the inhabitants of the districts of the Million Programme; Malmö remains a city of sharp social divides and high unemployment.
Now, isn't it well-known that criminal gangs tend to arise amongst the socially deprived? I do very much agree with gun control legislation, but it looks to me like the more equal  distribution if wealth would  reduce gun crime (as well as other crime) a whole lot more effectively that restricting   access to guns would.

But the 1% consider that  too high a price for the to pay, I suppose.

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Re: The other trump card in the gun debate.
« Reply #17 on: January 11, 2018, 03:47:05 PM »
Now, isn't it well-known that criminal gangs tend to arise amongst the socially deprived?

No. The most socially deprived Americans are poor rural whites in Appalachia, no gangs there and very little crime.

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I do very much agree with gun control legislation,

Do gun triggers pull themselves??

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but it looks to me like the more equal  distribution if wealth would  reduce gun crime (as well as other crime) a whole lot more effectively that restricting   access to guns would.

There's a certain degree of truth to this. It isn't necessarily poverty that causes crime, it's the uneven distribution of wealth in urban areas that are statistically linked to higher crime rates. Uruguay and Paraguay for example, are relatively poor countries with low crime rates.

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But the 1% consider that  too high a price for the to pay, I suppose.

The 1% largely only care about their own interests.
WTF???

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Re: The other trump card in the gun debate.
« Reply #18 on: January 12, 2018, 02:45:53 AM »
I thought we were comparing Malmö with the US.
yep.   He's got you there, Scrap :LOL:

However, the mention of the place aroused my interst and so I checkeded it out on Wikipedia. Here's a passage fom there that neatly explains their high crime rate, IMO:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malm%C3%B6
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Although the transformation from a city with its economic base in manufacturing has returned growth to Malmö, the new types of jobs have largely benefited the middle and upper classes. While the inner city becomes gentrified and the upper-middle class have settled the Western Harbour, little has changed for the inhabitants of the districts of the Million Programme; Malmö remains a city of sharp social divides and high unemployment.
Now, isn't it well-known that criminal gangs tend to arise amongst the socially deprived? I do very much agree with gun control legislation, but it looks to me like the more equal  distribution if wealth would  reduce gun crime (as well as other crime) a whole lot more effectively that restricting   access to guns would.

But the 1% consider that  too high a price for the to pay, I suppose.

The causes (in Malmö) are indeed considered to be well known but not sufficiently addressed. It's been a rather frequent discussion in the Swedish media, especially since the ManUtd striker, Zlatan Ibrahimovic, is from one of the, um, affected areas.
To me it looks like you're saying that banning bombs didn't stop bombs going off therefore there is no point to gun control because it's a mental health issue. 

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Re: The other trump card in the gun debate.
« Reply #19 on: January 12, 2018, 03:18:26 AM »
Cherry picked statistics are largely meaningless and are often used to misrepresent what is really happening. Some areas have much higher crime rates than other areas in the same country. If you want a meaningful comparison, maybe you could compare Malmö to Detroit?

With all its problems, with very high levels of immigration from countries whose dangerous citizens the US won't even let through immigration, Sweden only has about a quarter the rate of murders per capita that the US has. France, with its land borders, has about a third of the per-capita murder rate that the US has.

I was going to look up some stats and list out some comparisons but, lucky for me, someone already did it  :santa::

https://www.aftonbladet.se/nyheter/a/WP0KG/the-crime-situation-in-sweden-compared-to-the-us-in-4-charts

Probably some intellectually dishonest Social Justice Warrior from the Frankfurt School of Cultural Marxism. :tinfoil:

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Re: The other trump card in the gun debate.
« Reply #20 on: January 12, 2018, 02:16:41 PM »
Cherry picked statistics are largely meaningless and are often used to misrepresent what is really happening. Some areas have much higher crime rates than other areas in the same country. If you want a meaningful comparison, maybe you could compare Malmö to Detroit?

It's as they say, all relative. Comparing Malmö to the US is at best dishonest.
To me it looks like you're saying that banning bombs didn't stop bombs going off therefore there is no point to gun control because it's a mental health issue.