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Re: The Progressive ideology exposed
« Reply #45 on: January 03, 2018, 08:37:29 AM »
Well, i wasn't "in this thread" so I don't count , I guess.
But far from being pissed-off by El's post ,  I just had to plus her for for open-mindedly considering the issue from all angles.
Thanks for the breath of fresh air, El

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Re: The Progressive ideology exposed
« Reply #46 on: January 03, 2018, 10:55:12 AM »
Assuming an 80 year lifespan, May-December would be 33 and 80. If you wanted to push to an age where
most teens are not emotionally prepared, and a person of Milo's age, it would be more late February-May, no?


Weird terminology. And I can't even blame it on earlier lifespans, because, among those who lived past
childhood, the actual lifespan was not all that different from today's.

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Re: The Progressive ideology exposed
« Reply #47 on: January 03, 2018, 11:33:26 AM »
I looked up May-December relationships on Urban Dictionary, and it says May refers to spring, and December, winter. Spring as in youth, winter as in old.
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Re: The Progressive ideology exposed
« Reply #48 on: January 03, 2018, 11:52:29 AM »
From what I can see searching etymology sites, that is correct - originating in Chaucer with May-January.


Which makes more sense - January still has enough wood (as opposed to February - the very end of winter)
and May is late enough in Spring that it wouldn't be considered too young for maybe even a modern audience,
and certainly not in Middle English period.


So, Milo would be advocating more of an April-June/July relationship? :G

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Re: The Progressive ideology exposed
« Reply #49 on: January 03, 2018, 12:21:57 PM »
I have no idea. I thought spring started in May. January is usually more cold than December, even though December is considered the winter month.
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Re: The Progressive ideology exposed
« Reply #50 on: January 03, 2018, 12:31:51 PM »
I give you a rather devastating criticism of Mr D'Souza's debating style:

Derp derp derp derp derpity derp. ...


... Derp derp derp derpity derp.

Rational Wiki is a rabid, Left wing ideologue site. There isn't a single lick of objectivity there and all they do is smear pieces on people they don't like.

OTOH, D'Souza is a rabid conservative without a single lick of objectivity. You just happen to approve of what he says.

You have forgotten the posts I made about him several years ago, mocking his positions on religion.

Christopher Hitchens tore him a new asshole in those debates.

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Re: The Progressive ideology exposed
« Reply #51 on: January 03, 2018, 02:14:38 PM »
I have no idea. I thought spring started in May. January is usually more cold than December, even though December is considered the winter month.


March 21st is the equinox - which is considered the start of spring. By May, they should be fully legal, even if the flowers bloom
in early April.  :orly:

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Re: The Progressive ideology exposed
« Reply #52 on: January 03, 2018, 02:27:16 PM »
Yes, you’re right. It’s well into spring by May. Why did I think May? :dunno:
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Re: The Progressive ideology exposed
« Reply #53 on: January 03, 2018, 04:48:37 PM »
I give you a rather devastating criticism of Mr D'Souza's debating style:

Derp derp derp derp derpity derp. ...


... Derp derp derp derpity derp.

Rational Wiki is a rabid, Left wing ideologue site. There isn't a single lick of objectivity there and all they do is smear pieces on people they don't like.

OTOH, D'Souza is a rabid conservative without a single lick of objectivity. You just happen to approve of what he says.

You have forgotten the posts I made about him several years ago, mocking his positions on religion.

Christopher Hitchens tore him a new asshole in those debates.

So you don't approve of what he says?
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Re: The Progressive ideology exposed
« Reply #54 on: January 03, 2018, 11:50:33 PM »
Yes, you’re right. It’s well into spring by May. Why did I think May? :dunno:


You gotta do your plowing well before that.  >:D

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Re: The Progressive ideology exposed
« Reply #55 on: January 04, 2018, 04:06:19 AM »
I give you a rather devastating criticism of Mr D'Souza's debating style:

Derp derp derp derp derpity derp. ...


... Derp derp derp derpity derp.

Rational Wiki is a rabid, Left wing ideologue site. There isn't a single lick of objectivity there and all they do is smear pieces on people they don't like.

OTOH, D'Souza is a rabid conservative without a single lick of objectivity. You just happen to approve of what he says.

You have forgotten the posts I made about him several years ago, mocking his positions on religion.

Christopher Hitchens tore him a new asshole in those debates.

So you don't approve of what he says?

Does this even need to be said??  I judge what he says on a case by case basis because even though he has his biases, he puts effort into thinking out his positions and trying to square them with facts.

Rational Wiki, on the other hand, was taken over about a decade ago by SJW Puritans and turned into a propaganda site. They do have some good science articles but nothing that can't be found at Wikipedia or other science oriented sites. Any article they have about a person is based solely on ideology and whether or not they consider that person to be a heretic. Just look at the articles they have on Michael Shermer and Richard Dawkins.

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Re: The Progressive ideology exposed
« Reply #56 on: January 04, 2018, 07:01:10 AM »
All right, my mistake.

I disagree with you re Rational Wiki's D'Souza appraisal, though. They pretty much nailed it.
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Re: The Progressive ideology exposed
« Reply #57 on: January 04, 2018, 08:28:23 AM »
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KpSl1LTGKyY

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Re: The Progressive ideology exposed
« Reply #58 on: January 04, 2018, 09:45:10 AM »
All right, my mistake.

I disagree with you re Rational Wiki's D'Souza appraisal, though. They pretty much nailed it.

So you think he's a Domestically violent Mall Ninja??  :rofl:

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Re: The Progressive ideology exposed
« Reply #59 on: January 05, 2018, 03:48:07 AM »
Yet one time he says something questionable and suddenly he is something he is not. It does not matter how many times previously he had denounced pedophiles. It does not matter how he had exposed them. It does not matter that nothing he has done is suggestive of him acting on or being attracted to children nor associating with those that do (the opposite is true).

Nothing? He talked in his sleep? He misspoke? A slip of the tongue?

Yeah, right.
So, this is a tangent that will probably now piss everyone off in this thread, but I honestly remember at the time reading the *descriptions* of what he said vs the *transcript* of what he said and did feel like he got shredded because what he said sounded worse out of context than it did in context.

That said, on a re-read, I'm landing somewhere in the middle.  It sounds like he's correct in distinguishing what pedophilia definitionally is vs isn't in terms of perpetrator psychology, but isn't correct in thinking about brain vs. body development when thinking about consent and power differentials in teens vs adults, which is extremely problematic.  And it sounds like he did clarify that he wasn't just talking about may-december relationships (which are gross imo, but if they're between adults, whatevs), but was talking about teens whose bodies are developed but whose brains aren't.

Now, to be super-sure I'm pissing everyone off here, I'll add this:  This is a good example of where culture and education play a role in social sexual mores, not just "intuitive morality."  If you really don't understand (or believe) that the body can be developed as visually "sexually mature" long before the brain is developed enough to really give consent (particularly to an adult, where there's an incredible power differential), what does that do to how you think about adolescent sexuality, and what you deem as OK?

Milo was sexually abused as a young teen. I think only someone either ignorant, stupid or immoral would not at least look at what he said and say "Who is he talking about as the teenager in this situation? Is he talking about himself and trying to justify what was done to him?"

Now a logical next step is to say "Well, maybe it is and maybe it is not. So let's examine what else we know of him, to put it into perspective. Was there any reason he may try to downplay his sexual abuse and the relationship he had? Why would he not wish to be seen as a victim? Has he done or said anything that may send a contrary or opposing message to the pedophilia apologist or pedophile label so easily stuck to him?"

Well to the first point - Absolutely! Part of Milo's schtick is to say "I am no one's whipping boy and I am not afraid of anything (threatened violence, death threats, bannings and so on)". He is not afraid of being Gay Jewish and Conservative. None of his persona lends it to admitting he was a victim.

To the second point, not only has he been a staunch critic of pedophilia but has written exposees of pedophiles at personal risk of defamation suits and the like and has been a staunch critique of pedophiles.

No one seems to wish to partake of this critical analysis because they do not like him and it is easier to hold to ideologically driven narrative without examining context there. Personally I think it intellectually dishonest but no matter. My opinion is my opinion.
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