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Re: Trump is functionally retarded
« Reply #285 on: September 27, 2017, 01:21:42 PM »
Is there even such a thing as a politician who makes it to the top that isn't an amoralistic piece of shit?

Nelson Mandela maybe?  :dunno:

He was a puppet of the Soviet Union an a staunch enemy of the West. He supported terrorist activities throughout the world.

Does the name Joe Slovo mean anything to you?
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Re: Trump is functionally retarded
« Reply #286 on: September 27, 2017, 02:19:34 PM »
They're certainly not ignorant,

Then they're dishonest, possibly with themselves, trying to convince themselves of a coherent history that never happened but still dishonest. This is always the case with ideologues, they need a sanitized history.

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The First International was far from being an exclusively Anarchist thing.

Of course not, it was a coalition of different groups, but in the first International Congress, they were the largest faction.

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Besides that, I think they're very careful to distance themselves  from Anarchism.

This was certainly the case at the end of the first International and the beginning of the second, Bakunin's faction was driven out by the Marxist faction. In the 21st century though, that history has been forgotten and many on the far left use both labels.


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I have. And it's a critique of Stalinism. Given that you're so very well read,  I can't believe that you really think that Stalinism is the same thing as Marxism. ...especially nor coming from the stance that Marxism is the same thing as Anarchism. Was Stalin an Anarchist?  :LOL:

It was written as a critique of Stalinism but it can be equally applied to Maoism, Kimism or Castroism. The end result of Marxism is always the same. You have all the power of society concentrated in a few hands and if those people aren't ruthless scum, they will be stabbed in the back by people who are. Every communist regime has slaughtered millions of their own people and enslaved millions of others while driving the population into poverty. The ruling party in China realized this and began to allow some democracy and capitalism. Today their socio-economic system resembles that of Nazi Germany.

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Sadly you've done bugger-all  convince me that your understanding of the history is anything to be admired.

Well, you can lead a horse to water but you can't make them drink, lol!!

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Re: Trump is functionally retarded
« Reply #287 on: September 28, 2017, 04:23:32 AM »
You're employing a better quality of reasoning now, I'l give you that, Scrap.


It was written as a critique of Stalinism but it can be equally applied to Maoism, Kimism or Castroism. The end result of Marxism is always the same. You have all the power of society concentrated in a few hands and if those people aren't ruthless scum, they will be stabbed in the back by people who are. Every communist regime has slaughtered millions of their own people and enslaved millions of others while driving the population into poverty. The ruling party in China realized this and began to allow some democracy and capitalism. Today their socio-economic system resembles that of Nazi Germany.

In other words , Marxism can't work, because the real Marxists always get stabbed in the back by power-hungry bastards, and you  end up with a dictactorship that mocks the original principles . Of course, that equally applies to Capitalist systems too.  So long as have anything like the centalised  power base,  the scum will be fighting to  get in the Big Chair.  And because they're happy to fight dirty, the chances are that they'll win.  That's precisely why I believe that Marxism needs to be backed up Anarchism.  And then (given much time for the dust to settle., the lessons of experience to be learned, and the resulting Society tweakled accordingly ) we can begin to decide whether Marxism actually works or not.

Oh yes, and according to Marx the revolution needs to happen on a global scale.  At what point in human history did that ever occur?

 It's pretty damned premature to judge the matter at this stage of history.
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Re: Trump is functionally retarded
« Reply #288 on: September 28, 2017, 05:32:32 AM »
You're employing a better quality of reasoning now, I'l give you that, Scrap.


It was written as a critique of Stalinism but it can be equally applied to Maoism, Kimism or Castroism. The end result of Marxism is always the same. You have all the power of society concentrated in a few hands and if those people aren't ruthless scum, they will be stabbed in the back by people who are. Every communist regime has slaughtered millions of their own people and enslaved millions of others while driving the population into poverty. The ruling party in China realized this and began to allow some democracy and capitalism. Today their socio-economic system resembles that of Nazi Germany.

In other words , Marxism can't work, because the real Marxists always get stabbed in the back by power-hungry bastards, and you  end up with a dictactorship that mocks the original principles . Of course, that equally applies to Capitalist systems too.  So long as have anything like the centalised  power base,  the scum will be fighting to  get in the Big Chair.  And because they're happy to fight dirty, the chances are that they'll win.  That's precisely why I believe that Marxism needs to be backed up Anarchism.  And then (given much time for the dust to settle., the lessons of experience to be learned, and the resulting Society tweakled accordingly ) we can begin to decide whether Marxism actually works or not.

Oh yes, and according to Marx the revolution needs to happen on a global scale.  At what point in human history did that ever occur?

 It's pretty damned premature to judge the matter at this stage of history.

Nope. Marxism is unworkable. People will always be people. In the same way that you can never wipe out the thieves, racists, rapists, murderers and frauds in society, you can never suppress the collective's urges and desires from preventing any implementation of Marxism to become at very best a perversion of itself and an abject failure at worse. I will add that Marxism is not a beautiful thing too nor even something to necessarily aspire to. Even without becoming a perversion, it is not something I would want for the world.


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Re: Trump is functionally retarded
« Reply #289 on: September 28, 2017, 06:58:18 AM »

In other words , Marxism can't work, because the real Marxists always get stabbed in the back by power-hungry bastards, and you  end up with a dictactorship that mocks the original principles .

No, the power hungry bastards ARE the real Marxists. The naïve idealists are nothing more than useful idiots who get lined up and shot after they help destroy the old system. The writings of Marx are a clever lie designed to trick gullible people into doing the dirty work of those who understand what the true doctrine is.

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Of course, that equally applies to Capitalist systems too.  So long as
have anything like the centalised  power base,  the scum will be fighting to  get in the Big Chair.

No it doesn't. Capitalism doesn't concentrate nearly as much money and power into one place, especially in its beginnings. The concentration of power and money takes a couple of centuries to happen in a capitalist democracy where under communism, it happens in less than a single generation. Not to mention that under capitalism, the average person still has an ok life. Under communism, they are on the edge of starvation.

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And because they're happy to fight dirty, the chances are that they'll win.  That's precisely why I believe that Marxism needs to be backed up Anarchism.

Marxists never share power, that's contrary to the doctrine. They will line up the anarchists against the wall and shoot them 100% of the time.

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And then (given much time for the dust to settle., the lessons of experience to be learned, and the resulting Society tweakled accordingly ) we can begin to decide whether Marxism actually works or not.

Well over 100 million people have died and hundreds of millions have starved and been imprisoned in this Marxist experiment so far, which has had a 100% failure rate. Just how many more millions of people are you willing to slaughter before we should give up on this experiment?? You have to be a fucking sociopath to want this.

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Oh yes, and according to Marx the revolution needs to happen on a global scale.  At what point in human history did that ever occur?

Thankfully never. we would end up with a global dictatorship that would prove to be the most bloody government in world history.

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It's pretty damned premature to judge the matter at this stage of history.

Again, over 100 years of trying and failure and more than 100 million dead. How many more innocent people are you morally ok with slaughtering and torturing before you give up??

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Re: Trump is functionally retarded
« Reply #290 on: September 28, 2017, 07:10:20 AM »
Walkie, you should read the Gulag Archipelago by Alexandr Solzhenitsyn. It tells the murderous nature of Marxism in explicit detail from people who survived it.

Here's a video of Jordan Peterson debunking the "not true communism" argument.


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Re: Trump is functionally retarded
« Reply #291 on: September 28, 2017, 03:05:50 PM »
You're employing a better quality of reasoning now, I'l give you that, Scrap.


It was written as a critique of Stalinism but it can be equally applied to Maoism, Kimism or Castroism. The end result of Marxism is always the same. You have all the power of society concentrated in a few hands and if those people aren't ruthless scum, they will be stabbed in the back by people who are. Every communist regime has slaughtered millions of their own people and enslaved millions of others while driving the population into poverty. The ruling party in China realized this and began to allow some democracy and capitalism. Today their socio-economic system resembles that of Nazi Germany.

In other words , Marxism can't work, because the real Marxists always get stabbed in the back by power-hungry bastards, and you  end up with a dictactorship that mocks the original principles . Of course, that equally applies to Capitalist systems too.  So long as have anything like the centalised  power base,  the scum will be fighting to  get in the Big Chair.  And because they're happy to fight dirty, the chances are that they'll win.  That's precisely why I believe that Marxism needs to be backed up Anarchism.  And then (given much time for the dust to settle., the lessons of experience to be learned, and the resulting Society tweakled accordingly ) we can begin to decide whether Marxism actually works or not.

Oh yes, and according to Marx the revolution needs to happen on a global scale.  At what point in human history did that ever occur?

 It's pretty damned premature to judge the matter at this stage of history.

Nope. Marxism is unworkable. People will always be people. In the same way that you can never wipe out the thieves, racists, rapists, murderers and frauds in society, you can never suppress the collective's urges and desires from preventing any implementation of Marxism to become at very best a perversion of itself and an abject failure at worse. I will add that Marxism is not a beautiful thing too nor even something to necessarily aspire to. Even without becoming a perversion, it is not something I would want for the world.

Lots of words, then, but no real argument. You're such an imbecile.
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Re: Trump is functionally retarded
« Reply #292 on: October 03, 2017, 01:06:41 AM »
You're employing a better quality of reasoning now, I'l give you that, Scrap.


It was written as a critique of Stalinism but it can be equally applied to Maoism, Kimism or Castroism. The end result of Marxism is always the same. You have all the power of society concentrated in a few hands and if those people aren't ruthless scum, they will be stabbed in the back by people who are. Every communist regime has slaughtered millions of their own people and enslaved millions of others while driving the population into poverty. The ruling party in China realized this and began to allow some democracy and capitalism. Today their socio-economic system resembles that of Nazi Germany.

In other words , Marxism can't work, because the real Marxists always get stabbed in the back by power-hungry bastards, and you  end up with a dictactorship that mocks the original principles . Of course, that equally applies to Capitalist systems too.  So long as have anything like the centalised  power base,  the scum will be fighting to  get in the Big Chair.  And because they're happy to fight dirty, the chances are that they'll win.  That's precisely why I believe that Marxism needs to be backed up Anarchism.  And then (given much time for the dust to settle., the lessons of experience to be learned, and the resulting Society tweakled accordingly ) we can begin to decide whether Marxism actually works or not.

Oh yes, and according to Marx the revolution needs to happen on a global scale.  At what point in human history did that ever occur?

 It's pretty damned premature to judge the matter at this stage of history.

Nope. Marxism is unworkable. People will always be people. In the same way that you can never wipe out the thieves, racists, rapists, murderers and frauds in society, you can never suppress the collective's urges and desires from preventing any implementation of Marxism to become at very best a perversion of itself and an abject failure at worse. I will add that Marxism is not a beautiful thing too nor even something to necessarily aspire to. Even without becoming a perversion, it is not something I would want for the world.

Lots of words, then, but no real argument. You're such an imbecile.

What exactly do you disagree with? Which words?

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Re: Trump is functionally retarded
« Reply #293 on: October 03, 2017, 06:48:08 AM »
Lots of words, then, but no real argument. You're such an imbecile.

Have you been masturbating to Michel Foucault again??

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Re: Trump is functionally retarded
« Reply #294 on: October 04, 2017, 03:25:27 PM »
Somebody a few pages back said maybe trump should seek asylum somewhere.

Wrong. He should be put in one, whether he seeks it or otherwise, in a straitjacket, because this empty-headed, cretinous pillock is a threat to the US, and to the rest of the world. I was apalled at bush and his pet snake, tony bliar (spelling intentional), bush was a fucking moron but its pretty shocking a piece of utter shite like this could ever be allowed to take power; he is a boneheaded, brainless ebarrassment and a menace to world peace)
Beyond the pale. Way, way beyond the pale.

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